protection

[round pendant]

I should have gathered that from your twitch name

[ionic fern]

Now i gotta go home and check if i'm playing with Colorblind mode.

[warm plinth]

not everyone knows what that means though tbh

tbf*

[round pendant]

irl debuffs sadge

[warm plinth]

[sick sentinel]

Untimed cause healer lagging""" on cling :/

Sad af

[rigid badge]

Which Race do you think is the best one for protection warrior? (M+ and Raid) do you guys think it makes a difference?

[sick sentinel]

Dwarf M+, raid doesnt matter

[rigid badge]

And on Horde side?

[sick sentinel]

Belf/Tauren imo

[lavish sphinx]

lol okay so my BH 18 group just sucked

[sick sentinel]

But dwarf is like 10 levels abov

[lavish sphinx]

2-star FH 17

[rigid badge]

Thank you! 🙂

[ionic fern]

Female orc for mog.

[sick sentinel]

Stoneform OP

[ionic fern]

[sick sentinel]

Female orc best bodyshape foreal

[ionic fern]

If there ever was a race that had a racial like "YOu can no longer be dazed" i would 100% go that race on any of my non-tank characters.

Getting too tilted being randomly de-mounted by dazes.

[restive crown]

without taking into consideration regarding utility and dps, how would the tanks be ranked if we just take into account tankiness?

[sick sentinel]

TBC shadowmoon valley was fun with the boars

Daze tilts me more than anything

[restive crown]

druid > dh > ppal/brew > war ?

[sick sentinel]

Huh?

You mean tier list?

[restive crown]

just general tankiness

[sick sentinel]

DK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyother tank

[restive crown]

ohh yaa dk

[sick sentinel]

Had this discussion in DK discord, Someone said "All tanks need same amount of healing which isnt a lot"

[stuck basin]

war is tankier then brew in most szenarios i think and in lot of cases tankier then pala and dh as well

[sick sentinel]

out of all tanks i've played war needs more healing but is tankier than Pala

[warm plinth]

Depends what you consider tankiness I guess.

[restive crown]

hmmmm

[sick sentinel]

DK struggles with huge damage such as a 30 NL sunder (My guess) when Pwar can spell reflect that

[warm plinth]

Like am I tanky if I take a lot of damage but heal it back? Or am I tanky if I just don't take damage in the first place? Or both?

[sick sentinel]

There is many scenarios

Tank oneshots are a way to determine tankiness imo

[warm plinth]

And are we talking on pull or once the pull is established

[sick sentinel]

BDk not tanky on start of pull until 10 bone stacks and at least 50 RP

I get heart attack on pull

Till I DS

Then it's a breeze

Pwar SMASH

[restive crown]

guess i am just wondering how much other tanks are more or less durable compared to pwar, against like NL piercing shards, chomps, or big pulls in general

[jagged pier]

we are the weakest for shrds and chomps

[warm plinth]

BDK will literally always be the best tank against shit like that

[jagged pier]

because we dont heal our selves much

[warm plinth]

(shards/chomps)

[sick sentinel]

I agree

[warm plinth]

Big pulls in general just depends on the type of damage you're taking. If it's all blockable, we're the king

If it's mostly magic, we're not

[sick sentinel]

I dont even kite gators in ULD as BDK

And i play orc

[restive crown]

so big pulls in FH, dk > gdruid > pwar > the rest prolly

but big pull in uldaman with casters, we the last again?

[jagged pier]

no we are king there

[warm plinth]

Nah pwar owns freehold. It's not even really a competition

[jagged pier]

its all blockable

[sick sentinel]

But the salamander bites Pwar can take more instant hit than DK

[stuck basin]

have you seen the first pull on 31 NL with warri tank in tgp - guess druid could do this as well but others... questionable

[sick sentinel]

Insta purgh 1 hit is a thing

[warm plinth]

Only damage pwar should even take on first pull of NL is the hulk

EVerything else is blockable

[sick sentinel]

Last stand on pull i do then when things are grouped 4 set kicks in

5% reduction into shield wall

Feels good

[warm plinth]

Whereas something like BDK would probably not do as well (and it would require a lot more skill and resource management)

[sick sentinel]

^^^ Yes

You also need a mob in melee range constantly when running doing pulls

[jagged pier]

this is why u cant say x is the tankiesst tank theres too many factors

[warm plinth]

In any case, there's not a really concrete answer

Right, exactly

[restive crown]

interesting

[jagged pier]

if in general u want to know what tank takes the least damge on average

[sick sentinel]

If you dont deaths advance nados and you cant DS midair you most likely purg

[jagged pier]

thats pWar

always is

[restive crown]

didnt really think that in depth lol

[warm plinth]

And tankiness isn't the only reason people bring x spec either.

[sick sentinel]

Theres like so many variables

[jagged pier]

we are designed to take the least damage

as we arent designed to heal it back

so in general

warrior is always lowest on damage taken

[sick sentinel]

And thats why i think Pwar requires more healing than most

Not by much tho

[jagged pier]

it doesnt tho

[restive crown]

but i am very interested in the pros and cons of each tank in relation to damage taken

[jagged pier]

it requires the same because we mitigate far more

[warm plinth]

Prot warrior does not require more healing than most

[sick sentinel]

I'm just say average so im saying from average player perspective of playing these specs

[warm plinth]

Tanks require hardly any healing this season unless you're a monk, and that's just because of how their damage control works.

[sick sentinel]

I'm learning tbh

FH i feel like a god on PWAR, ULD i feel bit weak

Until after bromarch at least

[warm plinth]

Idk, I've not tanked Uldaman on prot war but most tanks hate chomp

so it's not just us

[sick sentinel]

It really hurts

I died twice

😦

But monk healer wasnt the best and im not either so

22 Uld

Still timed

[restive crown]

i dont know how to do chomps well cept to just keep running non stop

[sick sentinel]

^^^ Yup

And dwarf racial helps

Shockwave carapeace

Druid just laughs

Spam regen

[warm plinth]

Druid laughs when incarn is up. When it's not they suffer just as much as we do

[sick sentinel]

Agreed

But PWAR can't tank 23 uld at 416 like druid can

[warm plinth]

Well, maybe not quite as much. They do have burst healing and ursoc's fury

which are very useful against stuff like that

We'll probably never know since I doubt anyone is going to try

[sick sentinel]

Not 23 my mistake 20, I did a 20 with 416 druid

He was fine

I attempted 23 with 437 druid

[warm plinth]

People were doing 20s week 1 of M+ this expansion with lower ilevel than that

[sick sentinel]

"Not me tanking my friend was tanking

Druid OP with aug

So is Pwar tbh

Any tank actually

[warm plinth]

who isn't OP with aug

[sick sentinel]

DR is op

But if I remember the 20 uld I did with the druid was before aug

[restive crown]

druids dont need to kite chomp?!

[sick sentinel]

I mean it hurts but not as much as other tanks if incarn up

Just spam ironfur regen

10 stacks op

That's like 30k armor??? I dunno

I honestly feel like a god on druid

But I've seen druids die to chomp so

[warm plinth]

If you have incarn up, you can basically spam frenzied regen (big self heal), thrash, and raze (both of which grant absorb shields based on their damage dealt)

Ironfur doesn't have any effect on Chomp

There's no reason to use rage on Ironfur during Incarn unless you can't prevent overcapping w/ Raze alone (think of it like IP and Revenge, except for them it's only during Incarn)

[sick sentinel]

Ah didn't know ironfur didn't help, but I'm rage capped most of the time so I just dump it on ironfur

In incarn

Then spam raze

[warm plinth]

Bleeds go through armor; it's why they're so dangerous

[sick sentinel]

Oh yeah and thrash absorb shield is so good

It's almost like our season 1 4 set

Not close but similar in a way

[warm plinth]

Well, Thrash is mostly just to get rage, since it gives you rage per damage instance. Raze is where you get most of the absorb shield

[sick sentinel]

Oh you get it from raze too

[warm plinth]

yep

[sick sentinel]

I don't pay attention then lol

[warm plinth]

And Maul but obviously you're not using Maul in AoE

[sick sentinel]

True

[strong forum]

Way, way more

Bear reaches armor cap with like 7 IFs or smth

[sick sentinel]

Yeah i saw my armor go crazy high

[strong forum]

Like passive pwar has like 25k armor

Pally with sotr up has 35k armor

And bear with 7-10 IFs is like 60k++ armor

[sick sentinel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dPeFmBCdvk16VPufULxxVn

Doubt imma get 99 parses but im gonna try

[round linden]

maybe but it's useless since it's higher than the cap

[strong forum]

^

[round linden]

passive Pwar has approx 3 to 4 IFs with shieldblock, which is more than enough for physical damage, and bear can have 7 IFs (again useless) only with a lot of mobs and incarn

[hardy snow]

its not useless in builds with thorns of iron

[round linden]

it's useless because thorns of iron have far less DPS than the razes that he can use for the same amount of rage

[sick sentinel]

Beacon with avatar or does it not affect it

I actually never thought to ask that

[strong forum]

Avatar only affects class dmg

Same as Demo shout only affects class dmg

[sick sentinel]

Aight sending it at 2

[strong forum]

Nobody can buff item dmg

Aside from iirc havoc?

[sick sentinel]

This raid now has 5 warriors incl me

[round linden]

chakram from hunter do i think

[sick sentinel]

😦

[strong forum]

I know nothing about hunters

[sick sentinel]

I need OCE+Anvil

And Ashkander

I wish BDK rune weapon tripled beacon imagine how op that would be

Meh

My 429 Druid did same dps

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/R3wdBk4HcjqMfxpC#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=558 Any tips?

[jagged pier]

dont waste 10% of your rage

[ionic fern]

Get better Beacon crits noob.

R6 Beacon did 16k DPS.

yours only 4k

Pathetic.

Because that's what parsing is now.

[strong forum]

Get a 10 sec slower kill

[sick sentinel]

No anvil drop sad af

[strong forum]

Also helps

[sick sentinel]

REEEEEEEEEEE

92 on chamber

Sad

Pray for OCE

Im still out dpsng a 445 prot paladin so im happy

6 warriors now

OCE IS RIP

[topaz field]

faeline stomp i think is left over after they removed amp dmg from WoO

[sick sentinel]

Oce didnt even drop

This raids depressing

[tawny meteor]

morning all, what is to much haste this season and what Crit % should i be aimming for this season as well, cos i think ive maybe of focus to much on Ver

thats my stats at the mo

the haste is before adding into the fray

[jagged pier]

stats dont matter

u aim for as close to 7100 haste rating with the highest ilvl u can get

thats it

[tawny meteor]

ok

just seen a lot more people running high crit this season

though it was for the higher parry rating

[sick sentinel]

Those stats are pretty much the same as the average on murlok io

i just sim for DPS

[jagged pier]

well if u want to deep dive thats one point way crit is used

but theres also the fact that u dont need the vers

and crit is more offensive

but again stats contribute about 1% of your overall stuff probably less

its more about play

[tawny meteor]

thanks for the help just one of those people like finding out about all those numbers hehe

i got flame in a +22 last week for having essence and mark of dargrul on and for not having a tanking trinket on lol

[ionic fern]

That's your que to leave the group.

[jagged pier]

^

[sick sentinel]

I got a 97 kazzara this time

Yay

Got forced to tank

[uneven mason]

7% more damage or defensive trinkets that are less than 1gcds worth of healing across the key

[crystal mauve]

Can you still block/parry/etc during the cast of Beacon to the Beyond?

[uneven mason]

No iirc

Worth though

[crystal mauve]

Would you know if it's affected by any modifier (except crit maybe)?

Thanks for the quick answer too 🙂

[uneven mason]

Not sure if it's affected by vers

[crystal mauve]

I check and it doesn't seems like it, Avatar doesN,t seems to work either

[jagged pier]

#protection message was literally asked earlier

[crystal mauve]

thanks 🙂

[strong forum]

cuz tierset has alot of crit, aswell as the general items we want

[dusky canopy]

Crit owns

[crude notch]

You own!

gottem

[dusky canopy]

You own more

[crude notch]

[dusky canopy]

[toxic pewter]

ty

[crystal mauve]

I just go beacon and I was lucky Enough to get OCE (447) and Mark of Dargrul (441). Should I follow sim and use Dargrul with crit or use OcE with Haste? Beacon beats everything anyway so this one is kinda locked in

[jagged pier]

go crit for more chance beacon will crit

[crystal mauve]

Thanks 🙏

[patent basalt]

Hi, any advice on potentially getting a r1? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jnt9P4aNhTxcGRpM#fight=20&type=damage-done I'm not sure I can get anywhere close to the 150k

[jagged pier]

have beacon and it crit everytime

and allow to be the only one to hit adds

oh and go in for 10 stacks as much as possible

[patent basalt]

okay cool, thanks for the inputs!

[jagged pier]

thats how u rank

[potent gulch]

why Sarkareth hit that hard 😦

[jagged pier]

she doesnt ?

just run spell block

[potent gulch]

i do. but still it does significat dmg 😭

[jagged pier]

u using externals as well?

like u should be in P1

[potent gulch]

yeap

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/jzjq37M.png

thats how

cheese logs by having infinite adds up

and also get 4 augvokers for every single person in the raid playing the game

[toxic pewter]

... yikes..

[strong forum]

i mean thats pretty normal

its heroic log cheesing

[jagged pier]

^

[dusky canopy]

“Bragging rights”

[jagged pier]

its hc its not bragging rights

[strong forum]

im surprised its been this long since we saw some log cheesing pop up

it was VERY standard practice until mid bfa

[patent osprey]

we miss corruption

[dusky canopy]

Does anyone understand why in that screen shot one Aug is dunking on all the rest?

[jagged pier]

probably waiting for augs tbh

[dusky canopy]

Shouldn’t they be more aligned?

[strong forum]

corruption HC raid cheesing was fun

[strong forum]

hes the only augvoker not being boosted

[dusky canopy]

Totally agree btw

Corruption was so much fun

30tank heroic

[strong forum]

its HC boost run

[dusky canopy]

[dusky canopy]

Ah yes makes sense

[jagged pier]

C:

[dusky canopy]

5!

[jagged pier]

that bad luck protection

hitting in now

[jagged pier]

bring back all but vers then its fine

[patent basalt]

ah cheese logging, I would rather not ask my guild to help with that stuff, I can be content with my 90's then

[patent osprey]

yeah TD was ... "fine"

🙂

[jagged pier]

id rather that, than being told i need full vers to do a 15

[lusty grotto]

"dO yOu GuYs Go VeRsATiLe" - random here asking when hes doing 17s

[patent osprey]

id rather not get Out dpsed in raid because the BDK hit TD right when the adds came out XD

[jagged pier]

i mean they can get rid of TD from logs anyway

[patent osprey]

they could but its still busted lol

[jagged pier]

and fun

[strong forum]

just pray for infinite stars rng

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

TD was peak tanking

Hands down

[strong forum]

it was fun for guild keys

removing the pack when the firemage was combusting

[lusty grotto]

i loved it

TD with TD

[strong forum]

no

[lusty grotto]

giga pull

😄

then just zone out

[strong forum]

just snipe the adds from upstairs

[lusty grotto]

cause walls are paper thin

[strong forum]

i once pulled the last boss, before we hit 2nd boss

with engineering goggles bombs

[hazy bronze]

Z axis is hard

[lusty grotto]

DH just pulling with beam

[strong forum]

from 2 floors below, for those that dont know

[lusty grotto]

and eye beam

[strong forum]

2

[hardy snow]

TD on freehold was cool

you pull mobs and hope that laser goes brrrr

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/P6IbxQZ.png

[dusky canopy]

TWO FLOORS

Lmao

[strong forum]

SL classic leak

[lusty grotto]

but when i say TD with TD, it was strictly the first pull before 1st boss

[jagged pier]

[lusty grotto]

because fuck that dungeon

[hardy snow]

overall imo Tol Dagor is pretty cool dungeon, but this one big flaw of broken walls and floors makes it dogshit

[jagged pier]

cant have a nice camera in there ither

[dusky canopy]

Yeah idk I personally do not like any dungeon that screws my camera

Unlock camera distance when??

ION!

[jagged pier]

back in day your char could be a tiny point on your screen

that was nice

[dusky canopy]

Yes dude! Totally

Set max camera like 2.6 or something right

Idr the macro lol

[crystal mauve]

Anyone know where to put the OCE string for sims in raidbot? I've never done it before

[strong forum]

dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=azure
copy="All"
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=obsidian
copy="Crit"
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=emerald
copy="Vers"
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=ruby
copy="Haste"
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=bronze```

you can just slam them into the top row

[crystal mauve]

let me try 🙂

I have "Invalid/unhandled options: copy, dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight"

should I put it somehwre specific?

[lusty grotto]

how is that different from this Nome?

[strong forum]

the strings up there are for simc local iirc

[lusty grotto]

ah but hes asking about raidbots

[strong forum]

for raidbots i'd just use the options down there ye

[crystal mauve]

Do I need to get the addon to use this string?

[lusty grotto]

use the dropdowns

delete the strings

under simulation options

[crystal mauve]

ok thanks! I guess I'll just run it a few times for each combinaison then

[dusky canopy]

Go to quick sim, paste your simc string, and at the bottom click “copy to advanced sim”

[lusty grotto]

but why

[dusky canopy]

Then you find the #actors line in the bottom for “show input” and you paste what nome told you below it

Because it compares all of them at once, the copy isn’t accepted in a regular sim it shows the error he mentioned

[lusty grotto]

i doubt that

[dusky canopy]

Go try it

[crystal mauve]

@dusky canopy Thanks a lot, I'm running it now, I've pasted the lines Nom send here. Here are the results I see

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cZwK3fvNYQwW1KXykEkpA2

Not sure I understand the results

[lusty grotto]

arms warrior?

5 mins patchwerk?

also good luck explaining that one brew

👍

[dusky canopy]

So like what are you trying to figure out? Witch flight is the best option for you in ST?

[lusty grotto]

and in arms spec apparently

[dusky canopy]

@crystal mauve
https://youtu.be/8ZSUJ1qQjYQ

[sick sentinel]

the tenders items this month are pretty good

[lusty grotto]

ok you right brew

[dusky canopy]

Nim bro I simmed mine last night and mastery actually wins by 100dps right now in my current gear

[lusty grotto]

🤔

[crystal mauve]

Yes pretty much, I want to test it for both arms and prot

[dusky canopy]

I knew that nim but I didnt want to have a pissing match with you were cool!

[sick sentinel]

i betcha next week, i get chest

cuz i got then i got shoulders today

[lusty grotto]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qFvSkLyo4nCAWskA5BF1oX 3 min patchwerk with lust

and only bshout

[dusky canopy]

Guys blastin

[toxic pewter]

what you guys think of this guy dropped punish for bloodsurge

think punish is better

[dusky canopy]

Absolutely

[jagged pier]

no

[dusky canopy]

You should stop pressing block too

In protest of bigger shields

[lusty grotto]

careful

apb will bully him

[toxic pewter]

going to whisper him now and ask why

[lusty grotto]

and provide unsolicited advice

[dusky canopy]

Lmao

[toxic pewter]

will let you know what he says

darn he is alliance

[dusky canopy]

Jk apb

[toxic pewter]

switching characters now

lol

[crystal mauve]

THANK YOU! I was just not doing it properly 🙂

[dusky canopy]

Link your results if you don’t mind I’m curious what you get

Make sure you have your best gear equipped when you do that btw

And are in raid spec

[crystal mauve]

It's for Arms now but I'll run prot soon

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bT7dxgR7fzuB9CLDkw9NoW

[dusky canopy]

Also if you’re doing heroic bosses change that to 3 minutes

Honestly lots of factors change what flight could potentially win for you

So take results with a grain of salt

[crystal mauve]

Make sense, it seems that crit becomes more important when Beacon is equipped

[dusky canopy]

Well yes

You want beacon to Crit every cast in a perfect world

[toxic pewter]

wat ur crit %

i got almost 47% myself

[crystal mauve]

32% crit (3941) and 47% (6500) haste

[dusky canopy]

Do you have 6500haste before OCE!?

[crystal mauve]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cutejsd4FqrCfFRgAP3wvT

[crystal mauve]

I guess so https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/zuljin/dadouwar

I've reached 7k with OCE and Eng wrist

[dusky canopy]

Dang you could be 7100 if you wanted that’s hot

[toxic pewter]

all of a sudden having trouble getting into groups lately

[crystal mauve]

Do you have the proper Bear Tmog? I should help get in groups

[toxic pewter]

actually not bad idea

i have that bear claw fist weapon

what good bear shield

[crystal mauve]

There is some wood shields and stuff that kinda look like "druid"

[toxic pewter]

o ya

[crystal mauve]

When pally was required for keys I was in a full Pally Tmog, I felt at least 15% stronger 💪

[dusky canopy]

[toxic pewter]

my bearmog

lmao

[dusky canopy]

[toxic pewter]

omg insta invite

[dusky canopy]

Vulpera Druid?

Nice

[toxic pewter]

actually not bad right

[jagged pier]

[toxic pewter]

lmao

[dusky canopy]

What the hell would there bear form even be for that small?

[lusty tiger]

A quality tmog

[dusky canopy]

OH I KNOW

Honey badger

[toxic pewter]

they just need a shield that is like a plank of wood

like a crappy bark piece of wood or somethin

[lusty tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/memepool-samusalo-bitcoin-btc-honey-badger-gif-22882250

[toxic pewter]

yes that me

vulpera should of gotten druids tbh

[dusky canopy]

Honey badger don’t play

That’s vulpera bear form

[toxic pewter]

but zandalari is cool too i guess

just got in a group.. the mog is working!!!

[daring marlin]

Which race for Hunter?

I wanna goof around as Survival.

not vulpera

[toxic pewter]

Vulpera of co...

O_O

well this is awkward.

mechagnome

[dusky canopy]

Any faction?

Nelf for alliance or orc for horde

Orc for that Pet damage king

[sick sentinel]

mechagonme racials is based but i will never eveer forgive blizzard for how they look

[daring marlin]

THOUGHTS ON HUNTER RACE YOGI?

[sick sentinel]

mecha troll when?

or mecha tauren

hunter race? fuck... i duno......

there is really not a wrong answer for hunter races

there is only clear loser races for hunters and thats like, undead, or gnome, or panda

[dusky canopy]

Mr. T Mowhawk

[daring marlin]

Yogi is the best.

[sick sentinel]

SUP YALL its me its your boy asmongold

going through character creator

[daring marlin]

Hair should be more red

[sick sentinel]

what hair? he has hair?

[south zealot]

holy dude

why is everyone a tank

[jagged pier]

because druid is easy

and easy to get invited as druid

[crude notch]

that's a thought

[dusky canopy]

Bear is honestly auto invites

I keep getting like 2200 bears in my 23s LOL

[south zealot]

cant even be auto invites

theres no fucking keys to apply to

[sick sentinel]

"sometimes not always turning on defensive stance like mostly in healer is bad or i am standing in or about to stand in a bunch of bad" i said the other day

is that the wrong line of thinking

[jagged pier]

well yer season is dead anyways at this point

[crude notch]

only ones dumb enough to still play 12 weeks into the sseason are tanks. 🙂

season is over 12 weeks is close to 16 which is basically 24. So it's over. Or whatever @proper roost said the other day

[sick sentinel]

ya i havent run a single key today and yesterday

[toxic pewter]

i put on my bear transmog and getting invites liek crazy

[sick sentinel]

have to get on that some point dont want to

[jagged pier]

i mean it was fine season died faster cause crest were a thing that spead up gearing too fast

only the ppl that want score left

[sick sentinel]

i mean, also, why would i want to play wow when there is a rott classic 4k out?

[modern brook]

ppl that m+ for gear are not apart of the season tbh

[crude notch]

only the people that want score are the ones usually left at this point anyways, what?

regardless of crests

[toxic pewter]

pretty sure most warr using last stand as a defensive still

[crude notch]

and if you need a dogshit gearing system to extend your season then the game is just shiet anyways

[jagged pier]

i dunno seems to be most ppl in here as most ppl dont raid 🤷

[dusky canopy]

Quick season math

Nice

[jagged pier]

i for instance can still get 1 upgrade from m+

i just cba

[crude notch]

we love overgeneralizations

[toxic pewter]

the upgrade system was way too easy def killed a lot of the gear progression fun thats for sure

[dusky canopy]

Faster gearing so I can focus more on score is great design

[crude notch]

yep we'll just ignore the fact that the title cutoff jump from week 11 to 12 was the same as week 4 to week 5. Season joever though.

[toxic pewter]

should just give everyone gear loadout like tournament realm

[jagged pier]

unfortunatlely that means your in the minoirty, not thats theres anything wrong with that or thinking its good design. just most ppl dont want to push score which u can see from the cuts off always around the same %'s for the brackets

[crude notch]

we love overgeneralizations

[dusky canopy]

Yeah jakey I know man I think it’s safe to assume most WoW players really could care less about there “score” or raid prog etc

They just play to sip brewskis with the gang and blast random content

[south zealot]

but like

im applying to 25s

noone that does 25s plays for the gearing

[dusky canopy]

Yep that’s why faster gearing is better imo

But that’s only for a small portion of players

[south zealot]

holy dude

i just OMEGA griefed

dh is too hard

[lusty grotto]

hard disagree jakey

agreed with brew

jumping on invisible hamster wheels isn't fun

gearing being slow isnt fun

anyone that says so is just justifying logging into the game

when the game should be about having fun

[jagged pier]

i never said gearing slow was fun?

[lusty grotto]

and what you find fun

[modern brook]

at the risk of putting words in his mouth, IDT jakey is saying "slow gearing is fun" as muhc as "people play M+ to gear, and when they finish gearing, they stop playing m+"

which is like inarguable

[jagged pier]

^

[dusky canopy]

I know I have said this before but I’m the kinda weirdo who would like to just log in and right click BiS gear from a vendor so I can just play for score and raid prog

[jagged pier]

its a generlisation but a true one 99.9% sure

[crude notch]

There's people that do that sure, but that number isn't as high as you think.

[dusky canopy]

Obviously that’s a very small minority opinion

[modern brook]

my entire guild 😠 wait i read this wrong nvm - my guild just bis's out and then stops playing and its the most toxic thing

[lusty grotto]

im with jordan on this one

[crude notch]

Yes people will do m+ just to gear, but there's also people that don't do m+ at the start of the season because they're raiding.

[lusty grotto]

i dont really care about rushing

at least not any more

[crude notch]

In fact people that push for score usually backload their pushing.

[lusty grotto]

i used to, but honestly i dont give a fuck about getting every giga fast

being timegated behind a vault isn't gonna make things faster anyway

[toxic pewter]

where is the line though, like would you actually like it if wow was just loadouts

[dusky canopy]

To me doing worse damage than someone else because they have the better weapon or trinkets is just shit

[topaz field]

yes

[dusky canopy]

Assuming equal skill

[topaz field]

any competetive enviroment may it be raiding or m+ should not be based on rng

[jagged pier]

there should be a bis list but that atm would be locked behind vault anyway

i mean bis raid wep is

and i cba running dungeons to rng it

i fucking cba

[dusky canopy]

On the other hand gear progression does give some excitement, like it’s definitely fair to say getting that sweet item does feel good I’m not denying that

[topaz field]

give me my fucking essence already Ion after 14 boss kills

[lusty grotto]

well i feel that cause i feel the same way about raid items

i shouldnt be forced to fucking reclear with dumb pugs

for a beacon

or an anvil

[toxic pewter]

why not

[lusty grotto]

because i dont like to do it

[toxic pewter]

why not

[lusty grotto]

just like jakey doesnt like to do keys

for the same reason

[toxic pewter]

I like to earn my gear

with time investment

it means something to me

[jagged pier]

doesnt like doesnt even touch on it XD

[topaz field]

yep i can agree abp but then where is the horizon of that time investment

its pure rng

and that sucks

[toxic pewter]

I stand with Ion on this

[crude notch]

don't get baited by apb @topaz field

[jagged pier]

cool

[lusty grotto]

time investment means nothing if its not fun

[jagged pier]

still dont have a 447 forgestorm

and ive invested a lot of time

like more time than most ppl

and 90% of it wasnt fun

as i was pugging 20s

[toxic pewter]

gotta keep going

[jagged pier]

because my guildies would dont like m+ got their gear with crests

[toxic pewter]

never give up

[jagged pier]

and didnt want to do it anymore

[lusty grotto]

so thats part of the problem

we have 2 endgame activities which collide with each other

[toxic pewter]

Why you say I am baiting.. just giving my opinion on the topic

[jagged pier]

i even said to mwahi and nome at the start of season 1 cant wait to farm for the mace next season because i will never get it

[crude notch]

skill issue

[modern brook]

shoulda said "i cant wait to get the mace in my first vault next season" - clearly a skill issue

[lusty grotto]

i didnt get strike twice last season

at all

lol

[jagged pier]

it happened to be with something in SLs as well cant remeber

[dusky canopy]

Full 447 vaults every week no 447 pog weapon

[jagged pier]

but got it on final week of season

[jagged pier]

i did that for 11 weeks

[dusky canopy]

Great gear progression though

[topaz field]

i never got icon season 1 and now i havent gotten OCE

[toxic pewter]

honestly Ion has given in too much to the determinist.. we have too many ways to get good gear.. these profession items being mythic level and even easy m+ giving mythic lvl is all wrong imo. Need to scale a lot of it back

[jagged pier]

or however long its been

[toxic pewter]

need to make gear worth something again

[jagged pier]

until like last week

[timber terrace]

I'd argue the complete opposite tbh, casuals became "bad tryhards" always wanting to push their score and not caring about their gameplay and seek validation through score when a lot of good players don't care about score because they know they're good

[dusky canopy]

Hmmm

[lusty grotto]

im confused

[dusky canopy]

Imo that is just all incorrect

Good players almost exclusively care about score

Or log ranking

That’s the drive to keep playing

[brittle owl]

uh

no?

[topaz field]

im a good player and couldnt care less about my score i just like to run the highest keys possible without taking a look at score

[brittle owl]

who cares about score

[dusky canopy]

Correct you want to run the highest keys possible

Witch is essentially the same thing

[timber terrace]

Unless you're pushing the top keys your score is just a reflection of time spent until you hit a brick wall because you're not good enough

[topaz field]

no its just a challenge u know

[modern brook]

Gdruids mostly :/

[toxic pewter]

the problem is that the playerbase has become deluded thinking that everyone deserves the best gear in the game.... but when you devalue that gear by literally making it attainable by all.. their value drops and pretty soon you have nothing to actually work toward... ultimately you reach the end destination where wow is a loadout based game, where loot is selected from a vendor. it is the logical conclusion to the path the developers have taken

[jagged pier]

or stop

[brittle owl]

who cares about gdruids

[topaz field]

i dont care if someone has 1k score of 5 k score if we just play good in a challenging key

[modern brook]

P wars

[crude notch]

is noon too early to drink?

[lusty grotto]

i have no idea what they are talkiing about

i do keys, i go up because i like doing keys

i try higher keys, i keep doing them because i like doing keys

i like the challenge

sure there's a number but who cares

its enjoyable

[timber terrace]

a lot of mythic raiders with top parses stick to 20 while some casuals just tryhard 23-24s being mechanically way worse at the game

[lusty grotto]

that's the only thing that matters to me

[crude notch]

rumor has it people like different things in this game and do things in this game for different reasons. 🤔

whoddathunkit

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats my point

[crude notch]

ye

[toxic pewter]

yeah thats my point to

[lusty grotto]

trying to argue around a certain PoV, generalizing

is wrong

[brittle owl]

my point is .

[lusty grotto]

and non-factual

[crude notch]

yeppers

[brittle owl]

. !

[toxic pewter]

I love RNG

[timber terrace]

The deplete rate of pug keys is insanely high because people try to do keys that are too hard for them before actually being good

[lusty grotto]

also in my experience its the 20s with mythic raider who show that they are mechanically way worse at the game

100% of the time

fuck raiders

i look for people that like doing keys

dont give me that low ball jab at mythic plusers

because there's fucking bad players on either side

[crude notch]

numbers of raiders that know their utility kit v. # of keyers that know their utility kit would be an interesting study

WHAT

[timber terrace]

Pumps won a mdi, probably the best guardian in the world and he has like 2700 score right now ,when some clowns that can barely play the game do 25+ on guardians

[crude notch]

THE

[lusty grotto]

why is this an issue?

[crude notch]

Pumps took second*

[lusty grotto]

mokoo

why is that an issue?

[crude notch]

lolol

[brittle owl]

didnt thorle win that mdi

ykno the first one

[timber terrace]

It's not I'm just saying bad players seek validation through score

[brittle owl]

4 expacs ago

[toxic pewter]

would you guys still play the game if there was no RNG anymore

[crude notch]

Honestly got reverse swept, ye

[lusty grotto]

i mean sure?

[timber terrace]

It's not casuals caring about gear and top players gearing about score it's mostly the opposite

[lusty grotto]

no

[crude notch]

huh

[lusty grotto]

it snot

youre generalizing

stop it

[timber terrace]

even the top players in m+ don't give a shit about their Rio they wanna push the limits of the game

[daring marlin]

Why is everything you're saying really dumb?

I'm losing brain cells rapidly

[dusky canopy]

[lusty grotto]

🤔

[dusky canopy]

I’m happy to accept Mokoos opinion I just don’t share it

[timber terrace]

because you can't process someone having a different point of view I guess

[crude notch]

you're ware that pushing the limits of the game and caring about your io are essentially the same thing right?

[timber terrace]

No

[dusky canopy]

Like why do we talk about title cutoff all the time if good players don’t care about that?

I’m just not grasping this

[lusty grotto]

i dont talk about title cutoffs

[cerulean tusk]

only talk about haste cutoffs

[lusty grotto]

i know you guys do, but i dont

[crude notch]

so do RWF players not care about getting RWF?

[timber terrace]

People that tryhard to time 25s aren't pushing anything they're struggling to do content tuned 50% lower than the highest keys,as a wise man said "you ain't pushing shit"

[lusty grotto]

bro

theyre pushing themselves

[cerulean tusk]

I thought they were pushing their limits

[lusty grotto]

wdym theyre not pushing anything

smh

[dusky canopy]

Nah man, being able to do a 25 is pushing themselves

[timber terrace]

Hence the bad tryhards

[dusky canopy]

And they care about the score because you won’t get into a group without the score

[cerulean tusk]

Mokoo a ChatGPT 'Bad takes' generator, or what is going on today?

[crude notch]

In order to push the limits and be the best at some point you're gonna have to care about what your io is compared to others.

[dusky canopy]

Just has these odd takes like, “good players don’t care about score”

[daring marlin]

bad tryhards lol

[dusky canopy]

“People doing 25s are try hard bads”

[toxic pewter]

i stand with mokoo

[dusky canopy]

Weird takes

[lusty grotto]

i just dont understand the point

is the point toxicity?

[daring marlin]

Well, you see. He could EASILY do 25s he just chooses not to. It's too easy for him.

[timber terrace]

well if you try all day and you're stuck in 25s there is something wrong with your gameplay because people with the same time investment do keys tuned 50% higher

[lusty grotto]

what does it matter if someone is a try hard or not

[daring marlin]

Something something only bad tryhards do those.

[dusky canopy]

I wasn’t going to point that out

[lusty grotto]

so the point is putting down mythic plusers at aroujnd the 25 key level rage, i see

[cerulean tusk]

Mokoo is just going from the PoV of: "If you aint 1st, you are last."
Rest seem to be more "If you are getting better, you are progressing towards your goal."

Now kiss

[lusty grotto]

because thats just about that im getting from all this

[daring marlin]

You realize the people pushing the keys tuned 50% higher genuinely play this game like a job, right?

[crude notch]

What if I'm stuck in 26s? Am I a gigachad then?

[daring marlin]

Nerf already has 87 TIMED 25+ keys on his bear

Not even counting depletes

not counting 20s

[dusky canopy]

He doesn’t care about his score I bet

[timber terrace]

I'm just responding to the guy saying good players care about score and casuals about gear

[dusky canopy]

Probably doesn’t even use R.io

[cerulean tusk]

By that logic, if you are not number1, you are bad. It is quite easy to wrap your head around it.

I dub it, Mokoo. So you are Mokoo if you are stuck at anything sub lead posistion.

[crude notch]

The rest y'all suck.

[timber terrace]

Then you're trying to argue you're a casual compared to top players

[cerulean tusk]

They all are Mokoo, for sure.

[dusky canopy]

I mean yes, to put it in a very basic perspective

[crude notch]

REEEEEEEEEEE

[lusty grotto]

so what if we're casuals, i dont see the issue lol

[crude notch]

stop with the overgeneralizations.

[lusty grotto]

its just a label

[cerulean tusk]

You are just jelly, cause you a Mokoo.

[crude notch]

Everyone below me is casual everyone above me is tryhard

GOTTEM

[dusky canopy]

Literally everyone who is pushing title right now cares about their R.io score

And hates that they have to farm gear before pushing for title

[cerulean tusk]

Careing doesnt make you any less Mokoo tho.

[dusky canopy]

Safe assumption

[jagged pier]

well they have too because they need the correct score to get the title

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[crude notch]

Just get 1st, then you don't have to worry about your score

IDK how you're gonna know you're first though

[daring marlin]

Stupid title seekers.

Why are they rerolling?

[cerulean tusk]

Once you are no longer Mokoo, you will know.

[daring marlin]

They don't care about score after all!

[timber terrace]

There is no ranking tho it's a score that infinitely goes up and the fraction of the playerbase that cares about pushing is really small

[jagged pier]

i wonder what this makes me cause i stop doing m+ when i have portals does that mean im giga bad?

[cerulean tusk]

You are Mokoo, yes.

[daring marlin]

yes jakey

[crude notch]

You're basically boosted Jakey, congrats.

[daring marlin]

SHEESH

[crude notch]

Hate to see it.

[jagged pier]

good

thats what we want

[dusky canopy]

Jakey top 10 Prot warrior

[crude notch]

Poor Jakey

[dusky canopy]

Must be bad

Only does 20s

[jagged pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/832390254895300648.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[cerulean tusk]

Just dont be a mokoo, my man, ez

[crude notch]

There's no ranking?

There's quite literally a title for being the top .1%, how is there no ranking?

One of the most used WoW websites is in fact about RANKING

[cerulean tusk]

Jordan, don't be silly. What Mokoo is saying is:
"Either you are number 1, or you are Mokoo."

Is it really that hard?

[daring marlin]

LMAO

[cerulean tusk]

There is no ranking. There is Mokoo or not Mokoo.

[crude notch]

LMAO

[timber terrace]

ranking implies you go up and down that's not quite what's happening,you can deplete 90% of your keys and your score still goes up

[cerulean tusk]

Man, i need to get a spoon.

[dusky canopy]

Damn I guess I’m in the not a Mokoo bracket

Bunch of shitters in there too I heard

[crystal mauve]

But your ranking does go up and down, depending on other players performances tho. Scores only goes up, ranking does change

[crude notch]

Your score goess up sure, but you're aware that you can in fact get knocked out of the top .1%?

[cerulean tusk]

Revert to mokoo at your own risk, Jordan. Or push to be above.

There is nothing else.

[dusky canopy]

What’s funny to me is everyone in this conversation does 23-26 right now and that dude is probably a barely 20s gamer unless they want to correct me

[crude notch]

If ranking doesn't go down you should tell the 153 Prot Pallies that lost their title since week 3.

[dusky canopy]

“Score doesn’t matter bro”

We only care about gear

[cerulean tusk]

Sigh, you guys dense.

Mokoo cares not about score, only if you are mokoo or not.

[crude notch]

Be mokoo enough.

[cerulean tusk]

He said it like 20 times.

[crude notch]

Just mokoo it.

[daring marlin]

You are correct

You tryhard loser

[crude notch]

Excuse you, I do 9s.

Thanks

[cerulean tusk]

@timber terrace come back online, you need to defend Mokoo'ism.

[dusky canopy]

I mean hey that sub rank 1 shoe fits

Guess I should stop playing

Mokoo’ism

Hahaha!

[daring marlin]

be mokoo

Do 20s and blue parse

chad king shit

[crystal mauve]

Thing is, it's not a matter of key level, we could all be doing +2. It's a matter of understanding the basic of how does a ranking system works and why people who are in such system are usually more interested in it the higher they are on the ladder... Nothing crazy here

[dusky canopy]

“Good players don’t care about their score”

[cerulean tusk]

makes sense if you read the Mokoo doctorine. Don't be a pleb or mokoo, be above.

[timber terrace]

I mean you're getting mad but I'm just the one telling you you care a lot about your score on mid level keys and that's cool but there are thousands of players that could fo what you do effortlessly and just don't care

[lusty grotto]

i care about the key level, admittedly, but thats inherently tied to score anyway

[south zealot]

good players either care about their score a lot or dont give a SINGLE fuck

[dusky canopy]

This is completely irrelevant

[lusty grotto]

either way you need the score if you're off-meta because you're just gonna be stuck in valdrakken simulator waiting for an invite

[daring marlin]

Comparison is the thief of joy.

[dusky canopy]

The original topic was most high end players don’t care about their gear they care about their score and log rankings

They are now trying to sell their opinion by being way off topic

[daring marlin]

I should stop going to the gym because Eddie Hall and Arnold exist. Odds are I'll never be as strong or big as they are/were.

[cerulean tusk]

it all bubbles and boils down to...

Either you are mokoo, so worthless and bad.

Or you are #1.

only being not mokoo matters, rest is basically beyond pointless.

[daring marlin]

[crude notch]

That's like saying weight lifters don't care about PBs.

[strong forum]

Be me
Only play for gear and parsing

[timber terrace]

And I know hundreds of good players that don't care about their score and care more about killing the bosses than their parses and thousands of bad players caring about their scores

[crude notch]

Mog*

[strong forum]

Tru

Mog is the absolute endgame

[crude notch]

I guess that falls under "gear"

[daring marlin]

mog the true endgame

[strong forum]

Keep gear up to date to get the mog

[crystal mauve]

So as long as someone can do what I do more easily I shouldn't be proud/interested/invested in what I'm doing? Why do we have Bronze/Silver/gold in the onlympic, then? 1st or nothing

[strong forum]

[dusky canopy]

Nome cares about his gear ONLY TO PARSE HIGH

[crude notch]

Listen if you're not getting raged at by someone for needing on something for mog are you really playing the game?

[dusky canopy]

Wow wilding fucking take innit

[south zealot]

im unconvinced u know hundreds of good players

[strong forum]

If its not a 99 or 100 im not happy

[cerulean tusk]

How do we define who is a Mokoo in the mog world, who got the most complete, most rare or best looking collection?

[lusty grotto]

i think we can all agree that score isnt indicative of player's skill, people are glossing over it because its 100% obvious

i think that's what hes missing

[dusky canopy]

Shoulda brought my helmet to work I assumed I wouldn’t have needed it

[crystal mauve]

According to Mokoo you should only be happy if it's 100, if it's 99 your are trash

[timber terrace]

No you do your thing but don't think you'll be taken seriously if someone tells you you ain't doing the Olympics

[dusky canopy]

[crude notch]

mokoo

hear me out

Different people care about different things at every level of the game.

[strong forum]

Unluck, Q next

[cerulean tusk]

99 is still Mokoo, only 100 matters.

Embrace the new style.

[crystal mauve]

So if I tell you I got a silver medal in the onlympic you wouldn't take me seriously???

[cerulean tusk]

You would be Mokoo.

People struggle with the concept so hard.

[strong forum]

Idk why y'all are letting yourself get one-guyed

Smh

[cerulean tusk]

We are mokoos

that is what we do

[timber terrace]

Well top keys to 25s is more like Olympics to 1 legged regionals

[dusky canopy]

I’m not getting one guyed I’m just bored at work and this is entertaining

[crystal mauve]

Cause it's fun, I have nothing to do on my lunch break 😄

[crude notch]

What did i just read

LMAO

[dusky canopy]

ONE LEGGED REGIONALS

[cerulean tusk]

Could call it the Mokoo olympics, I concur.

[crystal mauve]

It's funny how you have absolutely no clue of what you are talking about, I'm loving this xD

[crude notch]

You're aware there's like over 100k olympians right? @timber terrace ?

[cerulean tusk]

Only 1 can be a winner and not Mokoo tho

could be a billion

doesnt matter

[dusky canopy]

They don’t care about winning medals btw

[crystal mauve]

You know all 25 is 0.2% of the player base right? it is literally better than 99.8%

[dusky canopy]

They only care about their equipment

[south zealot]

u guys are pretty fucking dumb for arguing with them

lmao

[cerulean tusk]

only 100% is not mokoo.

[daring marlin]

tryhard casuals bro

[cerulean tusk]

Bunch of mokoos.

[crude notch]

Imagine being a part of the .2% when you could be a part of the .1%, filthy casuals.

[crystal mauve]

Filthy casual not being first, gg noobs

[cerulean tusk]

Imagine not being the 0%.

Casuals.

[timber terrace]

That's assuming 99.8% is trying to do 25s which is false, people who try for 25s and fail is way less than that

[dusky canopy]

Bunch a 25s doing try hard bads in here

SMH

[daring marlin]

Just say if you cba you'd be doing 27s.

[cerulean tusk]

imagine trying to not being a mokoo, while being a mokoo!

[daring marlin]

So we can laugh at you more

[crude notch]

Fun fact there's more people with 0 score (which is different from no score) than there is title holders.

[cerulean tusk]

Hold up, there are more ppl with 0 score, than ppl with score - that is actively playing?

[dusky canopy]

They knows 100s of guys who do 27s they just don’t want to be bothered with the time it takes

[daring marlin]

Yes, of course.

[crystal mauve]

Doesn't change the fact that doing a 25 is hard and you can be proud of it. It doesn't mean it's the HARDEST, but you can be happy to accomplish something even if it's not the BEST IN THE WORLD.

[daring marlin]

They're certainly not in his guild.

I wonder if his guildies in the 3k range know they're shitters.

[cerulean tusk]

Again, you can be proud about being a mokoo. Doesn't stop you from being one. Only the best in the world have the right to not be mokoo.

Stop arguing the poor man.

[dusky canopy]

It’s probably the gear that’s holding them back honestly

Gear = Epeen size

[crystal mauve]

Being a Mokoo must be depressing, imagine doing stuff everyday of your life but not being the best in the world at everything. Depressing

[cerulean tusk]

We are all not mokoo at something, it is what makes life worth living.

[crude notch]

So what you're saying is if you're trying to do a 25 and you fail, you suck? @timber terrace

But if you don't try, then you are gigachad?

Just to follow along

[crystal mauve]

Unless you are actually Mokoo then you are basically god at everything

[mighty valley]

what the fuck is going on in here

[crude notch]

We hassing fun

[cerulean tusk]

On behalf of Mokoo: He would say "You are mokoo, even if you try or not to be."

[crystal mauve]

You missed one of the great argument again 👍

[crude notch]

Mokoo or Mokoo not, there is no try.

-Yoda surely

[cerulean tusk]

Anyhow, I am off, time to get some fried-vegiez

hf lads

[lusty grotto]

mythic raider having a fit about people that do keys

because that's how it started

its super apparent

[crude notch]

If you're not a front page raider, please don't speak to me.

[crystal mauve]

Correction, if you are not Rank 1, don't speak at all

[crude notch]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-guess-what-look-down-gif-13228824

[crystal mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/you-filthy-scrub-gif-11490268

[mighty valley]

we're reaching unheard of levels of gatekeeping

[dusky canopy]

3k Try hard bads don’t @ me

[daring marlin]

my man

[mighty valley]

gang, i'm going to evo but i don't think it's likely that i make top8, should i drop out

[daring marlin]

If you're depleting 25s you're just a tryhard casual ok

what are you gonna play?

gl with evo flu brother

[mighty valley]

i've entered strive and sf6

[daring marlin]

good times

[lusty grotto]

sweet

[lusty grotto]

lol

[mighty valley]

if I don't go 0-2 I will be proud of myself (unless the wow community thinks I shouldn't be)

[south zealot]

are u guys braindamaged

[crude notch]

yes

[lusty grotto]

very

[crystal mauve]

That's a fact

[daring marlin]

LMAO

[mighty valley]

I already miss Guilford Ken arc...

[crude notch]

just wasn't kenough

[lusty grotto]

ken you guys stop this shit, choco getting pissy

[daring marlin]

Speaking of

I gotta go see that movie again

It was too fun

[crude notch]

HOW DARE YOU GO SEE THAT MOVIE AGAIN

[daring marlin]

something something woke garbage something something

[lusty grotto]

gasp!

[daring marlin]

Ignoring the fact it sorta made fun of both in their own way but.....

Ignore that!

[mighty valley]

it was very thoughtful!!! and also just a great time

[lusty grotto]

i uh...

havent seen it

[mighty valley]

but if you go into a movie with a mission to hate it, you will probably succeed

now I gotta go see sad bomb man when I get time

[lusty grotto]

pls no spolders

pls no oppie spolders either, i def didnt study history

[crude notch]

An atomic bomb gets dropped on Barbieville at the end.

[lusty grotto]

you son of a

[dusky canopy]

Lmfao

[crude notch]

Nim

NIM

did you hear me yesterday

[lusty grotto]

uhh

[crude notch]

If title was done by spec your warrior would be cut off

[lusty grotto]

lol

really

[dusky canopy]

Does that make him above the Try hard bads?

[daring marlin]

@crude notch

[lusty grotto]

what is the title cutoff? 0.1%?

[crude notch]

yep

[daring marlin]

yes

[lusty grotto]

jesus

theres really that few warriors lmaoooo

[daring marlin]

https://twitter.com/riot_kassadin/status/1686763680162004992?s=46&t=pKJqAaes9gysilv22ZNTqA

Riot Kassadin (@Riot_Kassadin)

League tiktok edits are getting too far 💀

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Twitter · Aug 2, 2023, 3:39 PM

bruh LMAO

[toxic pewter]

that me

[crude notch]

Yeah this is tanks.

[lusty grotto]

shit thats interesting

[daring marlin]

really should be by spec

aw well

shitters

[lusty grotto]

well glad isnt done by spec either

[toxic pewter]

should be by spec

[lusty grotto]

i think it would be a good idea

it would incentivize off-meta pushes

[toxic pewter]

and each title would be class specific that would be bad ass

[daring marlin]

If it were by spec the threshold would undoubtedly be higher

[crude notch]

I've heard some interesting takes by why it shouldn't be by spec:

https://twitter.com/catgay13/status/1686617706714251264?s=20

catgay13 (@catgay13)

@bansheeirl 1. If your 1-trick spec happens to be meta in a seasons, or if you just simply want to push higher keys and reroll to a meta spec, now you are even more incentivized to only play with other meta specs.
2. It actively punishes multispeccing.
3. It is an elite title

Twitter · Aug 2, 2023, 5:59 AM

[daring marlin]

because people would care to push on their preferred class

[toxic pewter]

a tenth of the top 1 % is already insane though

[crude notch]

Yeah, it'd push things up across the board for sure.

[lusty grotto]

yeah agreed

[toxic pewter]

still should do it

[lusty grotto]

obviously there would be people pushing on multiple, but that's okay

[crude notch]

But so did releasing the title in the first place

[lusty grotto]

they should earn that anyway if theyre capable

[crude notch]

Like the gap in BfA was funny to look at.

[crystal mauve]

Why not a title for each spec and a title for the top 100 or something?