protection

[lusty grotto]

i fucking hate my life

[dusky canopy]

LOST BOTH

SMH

[lusty grotto]

i just wanna quit this paladin

[daring marlin]

He needed it more

[lusty grotto]

look at my fucking rolls man

[daring marlin]

spread the love mang

can't let the rich get richer

[lusty grotto]

maybe ill get oce

lets see

[jagged gust]

I rolled a nat 1 on beacon last week

Somehow critical fails feel a lot better than rolling second best

[lusty grotto]

um

you havent seen my rolling history

[dusky canopy]

The best is when you roll like a 17 and then give up hope, stop paying attention. And then all of a sudden poof you looted item

[toxic pewter]

Anytime a paladin gets defeated in rolls I am a little happier

Reminds me of that time I defeated 7 pallys for my ashkandur

Feels good

[lusty grotto]

no oce 😦

[lusty grotto]

fuck you

[warm plinth]

Hey I just got that the other day. Grats

[proper roost]

grats yogi

[toxic pewter]

u ok

[lusty grotto]

if this alt pally is beating your ass in meters, i hope youre glad of being trash

[toxic pewter]

O_O

I destroy all pal

[sick sentinel]

its an old model but a mount is a mount

[lusty grotto]

lets see your parses

[toxic pewter]

I don’t know what a parse is

Is that an add on

Ret paladins are not human n e wayz

[lusty grotto]

i cant talk about other rets

but nimchipadin is def not human

shes a goddess

[sick sentinel]

paladin is my favorite class to play along side no matter what

hunter is a close second

[lusty tiger]

Nothing beats playing alongside 8 other warriors

[warm plinth]

I did the megadungeon for the first time this morning and made out like a bandit

[sick sentinel]

too bad battlefield sucks

i'd be playing that all day

[daring marlin]

You've skipped til now? Mistake!

Place is fun

[warm plinth]

Got upgrade on helm and pants, got a 2h mace mog, got gorehowl, got sandglass

[sick sentinel]

i like battlefield conquest large map format ALOT

not the giga maps, those are dumb

[warm plinth]

Morchie was a really fun fight, but I think the pacing of the mechanics will have to be tuned down for M+

[daring marlin]

Amazing source of asp-fuck you

Mace AND gorehowl

[warm plinth]

🙂

[daring marlin]

somebody get in here and destroy this man

[warm plinth]

It was the int mace; idk if that's the only one

[daring marlin]

It is

It looks sick too

[warm plinth]

Yeah the augvoker got it and didn't need it

It's pretty sweet

[sick sentinel]

im very happy with augs in my group for most part

i have no clue at all what they are doing, but they are on our side

they have some ebon might shit, and thats literally the only thing i know about them

oh, they give armor

[lusty tiger]

aug = pog

[warm plinth]

Ebon Might is like the fundamental core of the spec. Gives everyone main stat I believe. Then they have other shorter term buffs, and then some kick ass group utility like blistering scales and w/e their absorb thing is

[sick sentinel]

one time in freehold one of them bitched at me about "my ebon might" after i think priest said "my pi"

cuz i only ever do the bridge guy after first boss solo, i think thats what itwas about

[daring marlin]

people go on about dam augvoker gives but the real busted shit they do is making tanks significantly more tanky

shit's actually insane

[warm plinth]

I do the bridge guy solo too; I cba dragging him across the bridge when people are gonna blast him anyway

[sick sentinel]

no in all seriousness i know like 1/4 of the moves they do by name and like 50% by what they look like

still have extremely lose grasp on anything dragon

[daring marlin]

Augvoker would be sick in AA.

See those juicy overalls

[lusty grotto]

and nokhud too

[sick sentinel]

i know its cuz wind shit, but i love the run back mechanic in VP

run back in any other dungeon =

💀

[warm plinth]

Halls run-back mechanic would be fine if 75% of the run didn't have the speed buff

Still takes a full minute to run back to last boss if you wipe late in the gauntlet.

[lusty grotto]

so i finally can replace diurna for raids

61 whole dps over

to quote nome, diurna is a disgusting ring lol

even with nerfs

well the mythic version anyway

[sick sentinel]

any time there is a you respawn at the very start of the dungeon release, you should have 1 minute of whatever 50% ms till combat.

[daring marlin]

I thought the diurna nerfs were reverted?

[sick sentinel]

i gotta run N sennarth one of these days

has my mog cloak

[lusty grotto]

errr i didnt hear about that, it just simmed high as fuck still with the nerfs for prot

on ST of course

[sick sentinel]

i need normal mode every boss of voi boost at some point

[crude notch]

they were not reverted

[crude notch]

we'll see how sick this weekend. :pog:

[sick sentinel]

gunna try omnicd

no garuntees it does what i want

[lusty grotto]

it wont cause you have to configure it

[sick sentinel]

i will simply disable it until later then

top is aug + me

melee dream group

[lusty grotto]

lol

[lusty tiger]

Comb or brush for beard?

[hazy bronze]

I wish you'd top me tbqh

[lusty tiger]

So forward

[dusky canopy]

You will want to take the time to remove all the annoying cds you dont care about, as tank you only care about when people have major dps cooldowns available

that way you know you can pull a bit extra

i also track everyones crowd control so that i know when to use mine

but you dont have too

[sick sentinel]

id have to have someone who really knows addons and pay them to work on making my addons folder better and u better

alot of small things want to change but i dont know which abilities are important on ATT, say

[lusty grotto]

just import a profile

[warm plinth]

ATT? 🤔

[sick sentinel]

there are 2, ATT and att

ability team tracker, (omni cd) , all the things (mog)

[warm plinth]

I know what all the things is, but I've never heard of ability team tracker

[sick sentinel]

its omicd but the one im accustom to

[daring marlin]

@proper roost I'm back but I don't think you have time

[lusty grotto]

im also done with raids 😄

[proper roost]

i do not

i have raid into raid

[lusty grotto]

[proper roost]

into sleep into move

[uncut thunder]

Or you could just sub to someone like Noah or atrocity and have a package

[lusty grotto]

naowh

but yeah thats what i mentioned by importing a profile

[uncut thunder]

Thanks for the spelling correction. I should know that as I use his UI.

It’s not exactly what I want but close and I just don’t have the time to make one custom or blend several into my own.

[lusty grotto]

its clean thats why i swapped from atrocity to it

but mine is heavily edited

[uncut thunder]

Yeah I use to use his when I was fury only.

[dusky canopy]

big fan of naowh too

[uncut thunder]

Naowh seems to be more tank focused.

[dusky canopy]

i only use his imports though i dont use the full elvui suite

[uncut thunder]

I use it all with small changes.

[lusty grotto]

i did the installer before they put the 1440p one in

and edited a bit

basically had to reimport WAs or whatever for updates and stuff

[dusky canopy]

I should try to do a fresh install sometime again

the full suite

it was buggy last time thats why i opted to just use the imports

[toxic pewter]

Wat I miss today any buffs or nerfs

[proper roost]

NOAH

heh

[dusky canopy]

also to note about it his WAs are flawless

like i dont think it gets better

personal opinion ofc

like if you take just his wa plater and omnicd

its game changing

i couldnt play anymore without all of the info that gives

[lusty tiger]

Would you say for every role or just tank?

[dusky canopy]

100% every roll

i promise you

its game changing

11/10

recommend

[proper roost]

Idk who is this noah guy anyway dude

where's his parses

[daring marlin]

@proper roost

[toxic pewter]

That me

[daring marlin]

why do people doing 40k dps stay in with the big AoE on echo?

like holy shit fam

[proper roost]

they're mechanic enjoyers

they saw imfiredup do it

asmongold did it so they would do it

[toxic pewter]

I do wat I want every fight

[orchid citrus]

do you guys use defensive stance for 20+ keys or stay batte stance?

[shut summit]

both

[orchid citrus]

k

[sick sentinel]

im gunna be in FH lair and VP forever

mount, trinket and cloak, respectively

[daring marlin]

@sick sentinel gonna tell you right now

crit/haste cloak doesn't exist

if a cloak drops it'll be the other one

sorry to be the bearer of bad news

[sick sentinel]

it just only drops for other players that need it

cuz they leave instantly before i can ask

[prime torrent]

yo do avatar and booming voice buff beacon

[mighty valley]

nah, typically buffs don't affect trinkets etc

[warm plinth]

There's like...one buff left in the game that still buffs non-class abilities

and that's death chakram I believe

[prime torrent]

just came from monk was hoping this was getting my woo back

[lusty grotto]

boss taking more damage does buff it

as in

beacon Chargath after 3 chains, or Warlord after shield breaks, or w/e

bug Ghash is 100% correct

uldaman bosses also are great beacons (totem break, snake stun)

and of course adds and totems all around

[warm plinth]

Neither Bromach nor the snake boss take bonus damage. I believe the troggs on the Bromach encounter do, provided they're in the circle when it's killed. But Bromach himself doesn't. And the snake boss just gets stunned; he doesn't take bonus damage.

[lusty grotto]

well i do it regardless cause youre taking no damage

[dusky canopy]

18 pulls in mythic exp wiping shortly after 3rd boss spawns.. zzzzzz

[lusty tiger]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CuMnOzsMoHh/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Instagram

[lusty grotto]

whats another website to see item price history? tradeskill master isnt working

let me check undermine

[warm plinth]

undermine.exchange

[lusty grotto]

yeah found that

lol islefin dorados

holy fuck

😎

im down like half a mil since i swapped back to alliance cause there's no alliance in here and i cant do crafting orders

tradechat should be cross faction

[balmy canyon]

is lariet ever worth replacing a shadowflame? I'm sitting at 8 sockets (counting the three on the lariet) and wondering if it'd be worth grabbing

[modern gazelle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tzrCy7ApZ9JK2jNx/#fight=7&type=damage-done

😢

1%-4% pulls

i want rashok dead

[lusty grotto]

i would say sim

most of us dropped lariat as soon as s2 hit so we're probably not gonna up it

[chilly brook]

Who was it that was saying it's better to bring dev than aug in raid?

[balmy canyon]

it's gonna depend on your dps. If you've got good dps then the aug will add more than the dev brings, if you've got bad dps then the dev would be better

[kind urchin]

I wanna say I read that it isn't even competitive until at least 7 sockets so in your case it may be worth a sim to see.

[proper roost]

for dps, yeah

for tanks, doubtful

[warm plinth]

Keep in mind you have 7 sockets. Primary stat gems don't count.

7 gems*

[proper roost]

your aoe sim might spit out that lariat is a slight (as in ~0.5%) aoe increase of embellishment vs shadowflame

but that's on

5t 5m pw

So literally any time you want prio damage... any bossfights...

so literally 99% of M+

there simply isn't and hasn't been an aoe vs st embellish difference in S2 crafting because of how much better the st embellish is tbh.

[proper roost]

lmao holy fuck brm are so squishy

SHEESH

[jagged pier]

I think thats a bad brm

They are actually very strong or well can be if played correctly

[jagged gust]

Yeah there's one in my guild, guy runs 22s and he seems invincible most of the time.

[brazen yarrow]

idk usually i also feel pretty invincible until i fuck up heavily

[vague path]

what stance i must play as prot ?

[lyric cape]

Battle stance. only be in defensive stance if you need the damage reduction

[brittle owl]

ur a bad brm

[sick sentinel]

D stance is for extra large hits over 500k and very high dps taken

Like breath on last boss mega

It does a hit for 500k and then 40k dps for 10 srconds

I'm sure you could just rotate sw reflect ip whatever else, but it feels way nicer to do that fight with dstance on phases 1 and 3

[jagged pier]

Not wrong

[lavish sphinx]

What’re your stance keybinds?

I just stay in Def cause I’m lazy

And I play on a laptop

[jagged pier]

F1 because u can macro them together

[brittle owl]

i used alt modifier + F1 through 4

[sick sentinel]

none for me on stances

i literal just click it for how often it needs to be done

[ocean valley]

I don't use a stance. Gotta be as free as the wave

[jagged gust]

I have my defensives mostly on shift mods, Q for SW, E for stance dance, R for Rally and F for trinket, then normal R for reflect because obvs, and Q for spell block

I like not having to move my fingers more than 1 key over at any given time

[sick sentinel]

shift alt and ctrl mods only fuck things up for me

[toxic pewter]

I actually thinking of running content without stances. Going to begin boycotting the stances. I find them to be quite poorly implemented. I invite you all to join me in boycotting the usage of them.

[sick sentinel]

give fury stance for dps classes is what i say

i don't understand why they ever took it away tbh

[toxic pewter]

Just need to do away with them all, the stance situation is just all poorly implemented and has no place in the modern game

[jagged pier]

Of u mean besker stance they still have it

[jagged gust]

It's a thing that does stuff, dont think too hard on it

[toxic pewter]

I applaud them for trying

[jagged pier]

But just fury

[toxic pewter]

But just shut it all down

[jagged pier]

Because they arent allow 3% crit

[daring marlin]

stances are sick

[jagged pier]

For some reason

I like stances when all spec have access to all 3

They shouldnt limit 2 per spec

And probably should be part of the talent tree tbh

Well thats imo

[sick sentinel]

its all about the stanely parable effect

you can add all this fancy shit

[jagged pier]

Let him cook

[sick sentinel]

but at the end of the day its getting the player in the game and getting them to make a choice any choice

[toxic pewter]

The stances are a failed experiment

A relic of the past

Just need to do what is right and do away with them at this point

[sick sentinel]

the game stops existing when people don't come in and make choices or do thnigs and stop interacting with it

[jagged pier]

I dunno stances were great in vanilla pre fury tank gear deep prot u actually actively wanted to swap stance

It was awesome

There were cases for being in all 3 at all time

[toxic pewter]

Yeah but how it is implemented now just feels bad and it’s awkward

It’s just a failure

[jagged pier]

Well yer as its not base line and u dont have spells locked off to different stances etc etc

[toxic pewter]

I call it like I see it

[jagged pier]

But that would make the class too hard to play for a lot of ppl

And they dont want that

[toxic pewter]

Yea that is true it would be a much higher skill ceiling with locked abilities

[jagged pier]

Like they stances died in cata imo when dps had huge obnoxtious macros for stance dancing

[brazen yarrow]

huge obnoxious macros are great

i love my character capped mount macro

[crystal mauve]

I like the freedom to be able to chose between more damage or more DR when I need to. It feels like a backup def CD when I fuckup

Ive seen some high keys players swap between both depending on the situation as well so it has some use

[daring marlin]

dadou apb is a troll my man

best to not take him seriously at any time

[toxic pewter]

The problem with the stances is that they just aren’t fun. Clearly they have some functionality to them, but they are implemented in the most unfun way possible. Would be cool if they were linked with certain abilities like Jakey said, but instead we get these boring, lame ghosts of once cool abilities

[high wagon]

guys, is the onyx annulet still vaiable as a dps option for prot in 18's+?

[sick sentinel]

i got 5 free points

[daring marlin]

yeah bro stances were so cool when they limited abilities

you got it

[sick sentinel]

should i be maxxing out plans or control

[toxic pewter]

Right now they have become lame, boring, and punishing

[sick sentinel]

i dungno which is more important to finish

[toxic pewter]

I am actively boycotting them. Blizzard half assed there implantation

[hardy snow]

Depends on ilvl of your other rings, but probably not

[daring marlin]

good

[high wagon]

talking simming here

if its still relevant

because its doin same demage as deep wounds each key

[hardy snow]

Because it was nerfed in last patch

[toxic pewter]

I invite you all to cease utilizing the stances going forward. The more of us not clicking those buttons, bliz will see how underutilized and disliked they are

[crystal mauve]

I understand the idea but what you want is to the play Druid then to have spells limited to stances/shapeshift. Realistically there is no reason why you couldn’t use all abilities in all stances, while it make sense in bear/cat

[toxic pewter]

Yah but at this point it just reverts back to my main argument: the current iteration of stances are just not fun

[dusky canopy]

APB

AINT NO WAY

[toxic pewter]

Sup

[sick sentinel]

they are literal do nothing binary self only auras , so boring

[dusky canopy]

You are advocating for stances limiting abilities

[sick sentinel]

its on or its off

[dusky canopy]

[hardy snow]

Why wouldnt I use 20% DR button when im going to be hit by tank buster?

[toxic pewter]

Well I’m advocating removing them all

[sick sentinel]

wow, so exciting

[crystal mauve]

I don’t like having a stance limiting my abilities, seems like you do I guess we just disagree here 🙂

[toxic pewter]

But if they do want them then yeah go all in with them like they used to be

This half assed version just feels bad

[dusky canopy]

Boy I outta

SMH

[crystal mauve]

Well if you hate then so much don’t use them, gg moves

[dusky canopy]

I think I’m still dreaming

[toxic pewter]

Ya I’m boycotting them and invite you and all other warriors to do the same

[dusky canopy]

[sick sentinel]

berserker stance should increase execute dmg, and give condemn

[crystal mauve]

Sadly I’ll keep using them as I do like how they are a nest little thing to play with 🙂

[hardy snow]

I like it and im gonna use it 🙂

[toxic pewter]

Well one day when you see the light I will welcome you both

[dusky canopy]

Guys xt file corrupt

Delete and start over

[crystal mauve]

If you want we can probably make you a WA that will change keybind a when swapping stances so you have the stance restriction you are looking for :p

[dusky canopy]

[round pendant]

god damn the paladin discord sucks

[dusky canopy]

“Yo guys here me out, let’s make stances be major cock ass again” heelllll yeah bro

[daring marlin]

It sure does

[dusky canopy]

No fun over there btw

Steve cool though

We like Steve

[lusty tiger]

Steve 10/10

[crystal mauve]

Ive had the best experience here overall 💪

[dusky canopy]

We jammin

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmN_RbW5aKY

a true classic, i will never forget the hieghts of this mans pure rage

[dusky canopy]

I like that guy good entertainment

[lusty tiger]

It’s like that video where the kid gets his wow sub canceled

[sick sentinel]

when it comes to freak outs and rage he is indeed the one true king

[dusky canopy]

Glad he stopped smacking his head on the desk though

Bad for his health

Albeit funny

[lusty tiger]

Asmongold’s last video contributing to the good of WoW was his SoO parse video

[rancid ember]

Asmon 🤮
link more doom vids instead

[lusty tiger]

@sick sentinel ^

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0u53lEFn2I

this is a daily - ish thing far as i can tell this channel

[crude notch]

what did I walk into

[sick sentinel]

takes a game, puts them pvp, lets cpu fight them

pain elementals are the worst thing ever to be put in a video game: spawns mobs flies around and it can do a big melee attack too

[toxic pewter]

Starting an official boycott of the so-called stances. I invite you to join me in no longer using the stances.

Once blizzard sees we are not pressing those specific buttons surely they will improve or remove them from the game

[lusty tiger]

I’m also gonna tank backwards and whirlwind mobs so they remove back hits and buff prot whirlwind

[toxic pewter]

?

No need to be sarcastic.. I am serious in this matter

[crude notch]

apb, I'll join you in your stance (I'm so funny) against stances.

[toxic pewter]

Huzzah!

🎉

[sick sentinel]

defensive stance isn't bad

its there isn't enought things like that mega dungeon breath that hits hard enough to warrant turning it on in the first place

[lusty tiger]

If this works I Venmo u

[toxic pewter]

The thing is clearly they have functionality, but my main argument, and I believe most are with me on this even if they don’t want to admit it, is they’re just not fun

[lusty tiger]

Yea I’d rather do 10% more damage 3% more crit AND take 20% less damage

Always

[toxic pewter]

I mean I would be ok with just meeting in the middle.. so 5% more damage, take 10% less damage and 1.5% crit

Somehow just make that happen

[sick sentinel]

well, give us imroved defensive stance for prot then

[lusty tiger]

No this removes a lot of power

[toxic pewter]

Well then rebalance it all at least won’t have stances to deal with to balance the spec

Long term it makes most sense just do away with them. They tried it, they suck, move on

[lusty tiger]

They are more annoying than fun but the power they give is worth

Which I agree is bad design

[toxic pewter]

Yeah exactly they’re just not fun

That’s why I call on you to stop using them

[lusty tiger]

Nah

[sick sentinel]

its remove them or find ways to make players use them

its pretty much that simple to me

[lusty tiger]

They should add 10% leech to battle and 15% avoidance to defensive

[sick sentinel]

avoidance for defensive stance and leech for battle/beserker prot

i dunno, just throwin out bs ideas

[lusty tiger]

Yogi good take

[crude notch]

Say hi to my cat

[lusty tiger]

Name?

Hi to my cat

[crude notch]

Coco

[lusty tiger]

Social security number?

[daring marlin]

? ? ?

[lusty tiger]

Hahahahha

[daring marlin]

It seems as though your only complaint is that d stance makes you do less damage.

It's boring how is it boring?

What makes it boring? It's a tool.

[jagged gust]

apb's been hitting the cat nip hard again but I'm on board with buffing whirlwind, I wanna spam aoe like a druid, I got a taste of it and I want more

[sick sentinel]

theres no reason to turn it on or think about turning it on and the effect is very dull

[strong forum]

It's just shit Design

[daring marlin]

Clearly stances should just be CDs

axe CS and make battle stance the CD

[modern brook]

WW should just turn into cleave for arms and revenge for prot tbh

[strong forum]

There's no good solution to stances

Just isn't

[daring marlin]

Assume the battle stance to do more damage for x amount of time

[lusty tiger]

This I could hugely get down on since compared to pally we have no CDs

[daring marlin]

That'd be fuckin' sick

[strong forum]

If it was an offensive CD sure

[lusty tiger]

Battle needs to give huge leech imo

We’re varriors

[toxic pewter]

Leech already fine

[lusty tiger]

4real

[jagged gust]

That d2 music

[modern brook]

[sick sentinel]

they have been playing diablo 1 for 8 hours every stream for 3 days and they STILL havent killed diablo yet

they made it once to floor 16 where diablo is, but something happened and the game crashed sent him back to town

[jagged gust]

Isn't the speedrun of D1 like 5 minutes?

[sick sentinel]

they struggle with knowing if one of them can use a book and how town portals work,

[dusky canopy]

KITTEH

👋

[crude notch]

See based Nome gets it. The rest of you just don't understand apb's big picture thinking

[sick sentinel]

my opinion on stances as they arent changing tho atm is; more dmg = bettererrerer so stickin with B stance

is what is

[dusky canopy]

LiMiT aBiLiTiEs bAsEd On StAnCeS

[jagged gust]

ff has it right, dont wanna die? just press the dont die button, ezpz

turn def stance into a cheat death

[dusky canopy]

Wow limit break

[toxic pewter]

History will prove me right in the end. Eventually blizzard will do a “the return of stances have proved to not be as beneficial or fun as we had intended” etc etc gg no re rip stances. Mark this post for the future.

[timber terrace]

Should just delete battle stance for prot warrior and remove the damage penalty from defensive stance, prot warrior needs some love now and making it less outdated would be a start

[modern brook]

Prots in the exact same position it was wheneveryone was creaming over it at the start of the expac

just cause the pally and druid buffs were so heavy handed does not mean prot needs love

[timber terrace]

well every other tank got buffed a lot and warrior still has no way to deal with dots which is most of the threatening tank raid and dungeon damage

[dusky canopy]

Hmmm what if we had 2 charges of physical block and 2 charges of magical block

Ooo here we go

[timber terrace]

warrior is insanely strong against anything blockable, and insanely weak against what isn't, you're gonna need externals and to burn several cds where a guardian can just press frenzy regen, it does need some love it's by a long shot the worst tank in the raid and it's not too bright in dungeons neither

[dusky canopy]

Shield slam maintains physical block passively

And 2 charges of magical block

[modern brook]

jesus the brain rot that'd induce dude

[timber terrace]

they could just use some existing tools of the past and rework them a bit, like enraged regeneration

[sick sentinel]

drastically changing stances or removing them still wouldnt attract more players

we still play like a stick shift manual transmission car compared to automatic or smart car

[timber terrace]

people don't play specs for the gameplay they play what's in a good spot

everyone didn't suddenly start playing guardian because it got more fun

now you can argue a spec is more fun when it's good

prot warrior could be in a decent spot for dungeons if it wasn't a caster meta making the warrior buff almost useless

[dusky canopy]

I mean bears strength is that it doesn’t die while also providing a ton of healing, a Vers buff, Battle rez, more cc than us etc

[toxic pewter]

How much damage does whirlwind do vs revenge

Not at my pc

[sick sentinel]

more purple quality gear for professions would be good too

[daring marlin]

less

[sick sentinel]

these ones

the equipments

[toxic pewter]

They should make whirlwind free like druid has free swipe

[waxen frigate]

They should make bagels

[toxic pewter]

Can be used purely for gathering mobs if needed

[jagged gust]

Legit, having maxed profession trees and still being 3 skill points short of guaranteeing a 447 craft is such a bs mechanic

[lusty grotto]

heavy disagree

[dusky canopy]

Delete WW, make revenge free with 2 charges it buffs next SS and can reset SS, add a magic mitigation rage dump alongside IP, TC gives a charge of Rev

[lusty grotto]

revenge promotes good play

whirlwind doesnt

[jagged gust]

if they could add more prof equipment for a few more skill points i would be soooo happy

[lusty grotto]

as in, you should be facing the mobs anyway

if at any point in time you aren't, youre getting butt fucked

so this whole take is baked

[dusky canopy]

Revenge doesn’t 360

[jagged gust]

Also it costs rage

gimme spam

[lusty grotto]

right im addressing captain apb's take

its a bad one

[chilly brook]

I swear apb has weirder takes than yogi

[jagged gust]

I somewhat disagree with his stance on... stances, but I'm with apb on turning WW into druid swipe

[modern brook]

we're really struggling to fill globals

so i can see why you would want that

with less sarcasm: We're not even able to TC on cd in avatar

we're so absurdly global locked rn

getting swipe WW does literally nothing

[jagged gust]

Well I get that between charges and slams and whatnot you shouldn't normally be hurting for rage at the start of a pull, but a rage free cleave spam for collecting packs would still be nice, plus micromanaging your rage and accidentally casting one too many IPs on a boss then just auto attacking for 3 seconds waiting for something else to come off CD feels pretty bad.

[modern brook]

untalent devestator then?

[jagged gust]

no?

[modern brook]

like none of those things are issues if you're playing correctly

[sick sentinel]

do alot of people play disc these days

[modern brook]

and if you're sad you over spent rage and have to aa; then u can untalent devestator

[chilly brook]

Well don’t overcast IP

[modern brook]

and now u have a sick button to press when you fucked up 🤷

[jagged gust]

🙄

[chilly brook]

Like sure it can get to that point where you feel like you have nothing else to press

But it’s a simple problem that can be fixed by just not spamming IP

[modern brook]

I have never gotten to that point without over casting ips

^ yeah that

I should let you finish cooking

[chilly brook]

Like pressing IP should be a conscious decision not a “I’m spamming the fuck out of this button” button

[south zealot]

even if you are spamming (im a spammer) with bloodsurge i dont run out of rage

i always have A button to press

[jagged gust]

Yeah the issue only presents itself if you cast IP one too many times on a boss fight

It's not like it's an ever present issue lmao

But it happened to me a few weeks ago and I was just staring at my CD's rethinking my entire role in this dungeon as the seconds tick by waiting to do something again

[dusky canopy]

Same Choco* I spam IP a lot

But always seem to have a button to press

[lusty tiger]

charge if u run out of rage

reprisal 2.0

[toxic pewter]

Ya I mean isn’t fury’s whirlwind free if I recall correctly? So the concept of free whirlwind is not that foreign to warrior, that’s for sure

[strong forum]

WW is free for Fury

and without CD

[toxic pewter]

Yah, so I mean that actually seems it would fit in well for prot in my opinion

[strong forum]

it'd make more sense

but also still wouldnt serve a purpose

[toxic pewter]

Yah I don’t even want it tbh

[strong forum]

it would still be a bad button, just less punishing

[toxic pewter]

Just speaking in some alternate universe I guess

[modern brook]

[strong forum]

ayo new emote dropped?

[modern brook]

Idt it's new

Unless ur not talking about

[chilly brook]

I don’t remember this one

[dusky canopy]

Lmao I never noticed the sense bird in there

That’s great

[jagged gust]

Sense bird?? That's Sam Eagle

[dusky canopy]

Birb

[jagged gust]

put some respek on the name

[dusky canopy]

I won’t lie I’m actually not at all familiar

[jagged gust]

oh word, the bird sense uses is a character from the muppets

[dusky canopy]

Oh no shit, that explains why I wouldn’t know them I’ve never really watched muppets

I slightly know Kermit and the pig

Lol

[jagged gust]

ms piggie

[dusky canopy]

Yee

[jagged gust]

When I was a kid my babysitter was obsessed with them, guess it rubbed off on me lol

[dusky canopy]

Fair enough haha

[crude notch]

i played nes at my babysitters, that's all i know

[jagged gust]

I bought my brother some of those nostalgia-bait emulators a few years ago, a nes and sega, all these decades later he still whoops my ass 100% of the time at everything from mario to mortal kombat

gen x'ers had those games memorized inside and out

[dusky canopy]

When games were good

Rip

[lusty grotto]

smh my head

is that nostalgia i sniff

my eternal enemy

[dusky canopy]

Literally

[lusty grotto]

games are better now

and i say that as a gen xer

[dusky canopy]

Hmm

I think for me the experience was just better in early 2000s

And before ofc

[lusty grotto]

heavy disagree

i still have my NES and atari somewhere

the only thing thats actually worse now is microtransactions

everything else is better

[dusky canopy]

I mean you enjoy buying a half polished game and buying the polished part later for more money?

[lusty grotto]

and of course releases

[dusky canopy]

To me that is a worse experience

[lusty grotto]

what about the elden rings

and the tears of the kingdom

[dusky canopy]

There are exceptions naturally

Elden ring owns yes

The gold standard that all other company’s should strive to meet

[lusty grotto]

your perspective is also on heavy triple A games

[jagged gust]

“No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man.”

[lusty grotto]

there are plenty of releases that are not fucked over by publishers rushing

[dusky canopy]

Fair yes, I’m not really an indie game seeker

But I’m not opposed to them

[jagged gust]

Most games if the dev isn't a totaly chode wind up improving vastly over a years worth of updates and bug fixes, too

[dusky canopy]

I’ve probably had the most fun outside of wow playing random 10-20$ games on steam lol

Like risk of rain 2

For example

[jagged gust]

Spiderman was fantastic, just zipping through the city was such an amazing feeling

[chilly brook]

Well there’s a few things at play here

1. it was new and fresh

[dusky canopy]

Ps2/360 was like peak gaming for me

[daring marlin]

Elden Ring was unplayable for many people on pc on launch

[dusky canopy]

Besides wow

Ofc

[chilly brook]

2. you didn’t have to deal with crap games all over the place (except you did you just weren’t as aware to it because it was all new and fresh)

3. gaming hadn’t been completely corporatized to death yet which is why 360 era kinda was just golden

[dusky canopy]

Yeah that hit the nail on the head regarding my thoughts “pre corporatization” era of gaming

Miss that time man

[jagged gust]

developing brains also have vastly higher emotional responses to external stimuli like games and music, it's literally something you can never replicate once you're an adult

[chilly brook]

For reference this isn’t an indictment on games making money or anything, just priorities are fucked

[dusky canopy]

[chilly brook]

Which is why I’m so hyped about BG3 because Larian is one of the only companies that has the priorities right

[lusty grotto]

right but its now easier than ever to speak with your dollar in terms of the quality of releases

[daring marlin]

idk man games are objectively better now than in the past

[lusty grotto]

except people dont

[daring marlin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lusty grotto]

they continue to preorder, etc

[chilly brook]

Make good game and money comes, the priority shouldn’t be to make systems to make more money

[lusty grotto]

pay year long subs to games

[lusty grotto]

yea guilford thats what im saying

[daring marlin]

Golden Eye? Great. Halo? Great. Only because of multiplayer.

[dusky canopy]

I pre order bf2042 and was super hyped about it BF3 was my last title of that genre

Needless to say

I learned my lesson

[lusty grotto]

i have bf2042

but

i didnt preorder

i still play it

[chilly brook]

They definitely are; but they’re also plagued with terrible design that’s basically design by committee or chasing trends for monetary reasons

[dusky canopy]

^

Yes

Bad

[jagged gust]

Halo/cod/bf, all the same category for me, fun mp but tbh I couldn't even tell you a single thing about the single player content

[chilly brook]

You also have devs who are vehemently out of touch for some reason and unwilling to accept that players could be right

Which is an even larger problem imo

[dusky canopy]

Almost my entire youth was halo 1-3 cod1-mw2

Lots and lots of memory’s

[chilly brook]

R6 Siege basically killed itself because of this

[lusty grotto]

a larger problem is gamers buying remakes in droves too

there's no innovation only remaking

[jagged gust]

Nostalgia is a helluva drug

[daring marlin]

rose tinted glasses

[jagged gust]

and drugs sell

[lusty grotto]

btw dis me

[daring marlin]

MW and every title after it had season pass

It was the same shit as today

They paved the way frankly

[dusky canopy]

Blindfold*

[lusty grotto]

i dont mind season passes

its all cosmetic anyway

granted i dont buy them

[daring marlin]

If anything it's better now than then

[dusky canopy]

Yeah cosmetic passes are ok with me too

[jagged gust]

microtransactions that dont affect the actual gameplay don't bother me one bit

[chilly brook]

Current season passes themselves I actually like

[lusty grotto]

or at least the premium versions

[daring marlin]

Game pass is fucking SICK

[chilly brook]

Now….how much they can be per season pass….

That’s a different story lol

But in general if the game gets my time I don’t mind giving it money for a season pass

[lusty grotto]

also doesnt CoD have that thing where if you buy 1 premium season pass and play it you get your points back anyway so every subsequent pass is basically free?

[dusky canopy]

Yeah I think that’s how it worked

[lusty grotto]

because iirc that's been like that every season

[dusky canopy]

Idr fully

[chilly brook]

Pretty much yeah

[crude notch]

what's going on in here

hmm

[dusky canopy]

[daring marlin]

idk bros if you truly think gaming was better 15+ years ago I got a bridge to sell you

[chilly brook]

Ohhhh no

[jagged gust]

Not fully free, but enough to get a random bundle pack for 'free' from the coins you earn

[chilly brook]

The lady who played Lady Dimitriscu is now playing unhinged crazy murderer lady in BG3

[lusty grotto]

👀

[jagged gust]

the return of dommy mommy? yes pls

[crude notch]

Anyone that thinks gaming was better 15 years ago, needs to accept that what they enjoy has changed in 15 years.

[chilly brook]

Some things were better 15 years ago

Most are not

[dusky canopy]

Imo the overall experience 15 years ago was better. I also was a minor so there’s that

Naturally you view things differently as an adult

[chilly brook]

I think it’s fair to say that 15 years ago companies were willing to experiment more and do different things or ambitious things

But the end products today are certainly almost always better than anything in the past

[jagged gust]

15 years ago we were already 5 years into the trend of 'open world, find a new waypoint to find 13,000 collectibles and oh, we have a crafting table!' style gaming

[crude notch]

anyone that's like 25+ now needs to accept that your ability to consume games like you did in your teens is just really not possible

[dusky canopy]

Yep harsh reality

[crude notch]

so it's going to "taint" the experience

[daring marlin]

What? We definitely have more variety and way less duds now.

Back then if you bought a shit game that's it.

[crude notch]

If you think there's less variety it's because you're just not looking

[chilly brook]

That doesn’t really have any bearing on what i said

Also it’s not a “variety” question

[lusty grotto]

i think you guys are talking about different things here

like theres hard focus on triple A studios

on one camp

[jaunty granite]

the main thing that's changed for me and is negative is i dont know how much games want from me in order to have a normal experience.

roller coaster tycoon with expansions $30 i know what i get.

diablo II battle chest, $40 i know what i get.

CivIII $40 i know what i get

Genshin impact $??? result ???
diablo immortal $??? result ???
lost ark $??? result ???

[lusty grotto]

and there's another perspective of more than triple-A studio games on another

[patent blaze]

Hi. I'm confused as to why the IV guide is recommending popping Thunderous Roar before Thunder Clap and Revenge. Doesn't TR amplify existing deep wound ticks?

[lusty grotto]

its dynamic

it'll apply to them

[jaunty granite]

if studios and publishers were just up front like "we want $X from you to play this game" it doesnt matter if the number is $60 or $600 just tell us what the fucking number is

[patent blaze]

ty!

[chilly brook]

There are genres that are basically dead at the moment that weren’t then. RTS is basically non existent anymore. You had people mixing RTS and FPS. People were still making MMOs. Etc.

[jagged gust]

It's not simply your ability to consume them, your brain literally doesn't react the same to them anymore, you will never recreate the feelings of your youth, it's a virtual game of chase the dragon

[lusty grotto]

well RTS isnt really dead

starcraft is

but RTS isnt

[chilly brook]

TLDR all that I’m saying is as time has gone on there’s just a larger focus on being less risk averse. That translates heavily into what games are being made.

[modern brook]

yeah theres plenty of living rts games

like

uhhh

[lusty grotto]

mixing them is kind of part of innovation

[chilly brook]

That one game

[modern brook]

uhhhhhhhhh

UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[crude notch]

"it's not your ability to consume them, it's your brain's ability to consume them"

[lusty grotto]

survival games, battle royales, etc

[crude notch]

...

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/money-dollars-cash-rich-shut-up-and-take-my-money-gif-3555042

Literally gamer consumer

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/muppets-christmas-carol-american-gif-19732702

[lusty grotto]

Company of Heroes, enough said

[dusky canopy]

SMH

[chilly brook]

Space sims are dead no one will do one outside of the two that are on market which is ironic because if those two have shown anything it’s the fact that they are very lucrative

[modern brook]

😬

[lusty grotto]

also ex blizz are making Stormgate which is another RTS

bruh

obviously they arent popular

this isn't a popularity contest

[crude notch]

any bitcoin 5th place winners?

[modern brook]

SMH you cant say "SC2 is dead" and then claim CoH2 isnt dead

[lusty grotto]

that doesnt mean they dont fucking exist

[modern brook]

the generes dry bro

like the whole thing is hinging on stormgate performing a miracle

[jagged gust]

cookie clicker is the genre of the future

[daring marlin]

Nonsense. Hello getting over it, fall guys, darkest dungeon and a plethora of other game types.

Plenty of different shit being tried constantly

[nocturne spindle]

i mean basically any criticism of "gaming" is usually in the lens of AAA titles

there will always be indie and AA stuff thats weird

[chilly brook]

I don’t think using indie games is a good rebuttal

[modern brook]

^

fall guys also is just cashing in on Broyale craze tbh

[chilly brook]

Their whole existence is permeated on the point of not being beholden to anyone outside of what they want to do

The problem is they’re also limited because of that since it limits their capital

[crude notch]

idk comparing your enjoyment of games to when you thought hot dogs and mac n cheese was a banger meal just seems like a bad idea imo

[chilly brook]

The criticism I’m discussing is targeted at studios that have capital to do some truly awesome stuff that should be a no brainer but typically isn’t because the people deciding what game gets made don’t play games

[daring marlin]

Ah, so only what AAA studios are doing matter in the grand scheme ergo gaming is not as enjoyable as it was 15-20 years ago.

If it was a no-brainer they'd do it.

Because their main driving point is making money.

[modern brook]

[chilly brook]

That’s a gross mischaracterization of my argument

[modern brook]

because making money has never gotten in the way of innovation

[daring marlin]

Okay.

[chilly brook]

Everspace is cool

[modern brook]

i say, filing my own taxes

[chilly brook]

But it’s still not anywhere near Star Citizen in terms of scope

Just an example

[modern brook]

STar citizen isnt a game tho

[chilly brook]

Indies can do great things

[crude notch]

Why are you filing your taxes in July?

[chilly brook]

But they almost always have a very limited scope

[crude notch]

🚓

[chilly brook]

Correct, but if there’s one thing it has proven, it’s that there is a very real want for a complex space sim. A very profitable want to.

[south zealot]

sup pussies

[jagged gust]

That reminds me, I still need to do mine... from 2019

[modern brook]

i mean profit is very much dependant on cost of making it tbh

[daring marlin]

How exactly would you gauge that? Pretty sus.

[modern brook]

which is ulatimely why you dont see innovation in the aaa market

[chilly brook]

Their funding is very public

[modern brook]

why would i spend money on making something new when i could instead just like remake cod again? using technology other more ambitious games have already proven will be well recieved?

[chilly brook]

That’s just money people have thrown at non existent jpegs

[chilly brook]

Which again leads to the only point I’ve been trying to make, which is that the safest bet gets made

[daring marlin]

It's a very successful scam.

[modern brook]

yeah im in agreement

esp with the scope set at the AAA market

[chilly brook]

Elite: Dangerous also has moved well over 4 million copies

So there is a very real want for some of these genres

They’re just either deemed too much work or too much risk

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[chilly brook]

Yeah it just doesn’t make sense to rope AA or indies into it because they 1) are predicated on the fact that they are different and 2) while they often can scratch the itch they also are very limited in scope and budget on how well they can actually address and innovate in the genre

[daring marlin]

4.7m people over 11 almost 12 years seems pretty niche

[crude notch]

Making remakes has been a model that's worked since the 80s, so like why are we appalled by it 40 years later?

[mighty valley]

i don't think it's that controversial to say that the big money across all entertainment fields has been getting more IP-dependent and risk-averse over time

[crude notch]

"Video games were so much better back in the day"

Video games back in the day: (Yes this is a joke)

[mighty valley]

big part of it in the games space is just the ballooning expectations and budgets of the biggest games, making this tiny AAAA segment

jordan is also right that people get real weird about the "golden era" of games, which means the time in their lives when their moms tidied their room and they could just play games for 16 hours on a saturday

[chilly brook]

Considering it’s not even a real game yet….I don’t think that’s true

[daring marlin]

That's incredibly niche wtf do you mean bro LOL

[chilly brook]

You realize that’s not far off Halo 5 numbers yeah?

[daring marlin]

Halo has been dead forever.

[chilly brook]

Not that Halo 5 is some bastion of the FPS genre

[daring marlin]

And again, over a decade.

Star Citizen was hyped up so much initially too.

[chilly brook]

But you’re comparing a literal tech demo to actual released games here

Sales numbers go up drastically at or near release

[daring marlin]

No I'm saying your claim that it's in such high demand is ludicrous.

[chilly brook]

It’s really not lol

[modern brook]

i mean

[crude notch]

Honestly it's the first I'm hearing of it

[modern brook]

5 mil to still be donating 11 years later is pretty big

for a game thats not release

[chilly brook]

^

[modern brook]

since after like

year 2

most people were like
"yeah ok scam citizen"

[daring marlin]

There are some massive whales propping it up, yup.

[modern brook]

5 million massive whales?

[crude notch]

I think you underestimate just how much money bitcoin bros have to throw around, so yes

[jaunty granite]

wait star citizen $590M?

[daring marlin]

4.7 registered users==everyone donated

[lusty grotto]

a large portion of criticism right now its due to the market

i.e. people

[toxic pewter]

I got Bitcoin

[lusty grotto]

people cannot stop themselves from preorder, from sinking free money on a year sub, on buying cosmetics

on flocking to certain genres

[toxic pewter]

I am actually satoshi nakamoto

[lusty grotto]

why would you give money before-hand to any company before seeing the released product

why give a year long subscription, when changes the company makes might make you mad?

thats not the games fault

thats the consumer's fault

you guys say past games were better well guess what

its not that they were better at all

its that when you gave your money, you got a released, polished product

[mighty valley]

star citizen kind of proves that people will pay more for the dream of a big space sim than the reality that's possible to actually release

[lusty grotto]

of course

[chilly brook]

Well of course because that’s all they have to sell is ideas

[lusty grotto]

people buy into emotions, and companies are obviously capitalizing on it

thats why remakes are fucking popular lol

but you cant really change consumer mindset

sadly

[chilly brook]

But the point still stands that Elite and SC have at least proved that there is certainly a market out there for it

[lusty grotto]

so that's not going away anytime soon

[chilly brook]

Elites problem is it’s just…..bad lol

[crude notch]

lol i love that they had to amend their refund policy because they included " backers could procure a refund if the game had not been released within 18 months of its original estimated delivery date."

[brazen yarrow]

who did that

[crude notch]

It really do be Scam Citizen

[daring marlin]

Not really true. Elder scrolls games have historically been buggy pieces of shit since the start.

[crude notch]

holy

[lusty grotto]

true, but im talking about way further back

[brazen yarrow]

hahahahah

[crude notch]

idk i was told that elder scrolls has never had any game breaking bugs🙂

[lusty grotto]

im NES gen

[daring marlin]

shut up nim

[lusty grotto]

i mean i am lol

[daring marlin]

There were plenty of bugs in old games

[lusty grotto]

but i also agree with your point guilford

[chilly brook]

And even though it’s bad it still moved over 4 million copies and was profitable. For a game that had an $8 million budget

[daring marlin]

I also had an nes

[lusty grotto]

trust me im in the games are better now camp

[chilly brook]

Games are better now to an extent

The actual games definitely are better

[brazen yarrow]

pretty sure old games are like KNOWN for being buggy messes

smash bros melee for example

[lusty grotto]

yes, that's the whole point

[mighty valley]

original pokemon kicked off the biggest franchise in history and that game is held together by matchsticks and glue

[lusty grotto]

games now are exceedingly complex things that you cant really compare to a 2d side scroller or fighting game

[crude notch]

Any BLJ enjoyers?

[chilly brook]

Hell, funny to bring that up but Starfield is basically everything most people who want a good space sim have been asking for

Minus the more in depth space flight etc. but hey

And it’s going to be more RPG than space sim but from a “heres a big swathe of space and some space ships and some planets go have fun” perspective

[lusty grotto]

there's merit in saying that due to complexity, its obvious that "more bugs" or more "technical issues" might arise from today's game as well

[chilly brook]

And ironically they’ve gone on record and basically said the quiet part out loud of “now we know why no one does these kind of games, it’s a ton of work”

[lusty grotto]

system exclusives are also a huge point, especially compared to today's pc games

because you knew exactly what hardware you were developing for

and not infinite configurations on PC for example

of course there are exceptions COUGH GOD OF WAR PORT COUGH

[chilly brook]

Tbh guilty as charged. I don’t preorder often but for Todd…I’ll do it

[lusty grotto]

i preorder shit from nintendo

[crude notch]

I'll pre-order, idgaf.

[lusty grotto]

and so far, they havent failed me

[crude notch]

Gimme that year sub of a game I play like a crack fiend for two weeks or not at all

[lusty grotto]

nintendo and that's about it

[chilly brook]

I also don’t think the preorder argument is very valid since you can just refund it no questions asked

[crude notch]

Unless it's Star Citizen apparently 🙂

(once again a joke)

[lusty grotto]

yeah but preordering inflates metrics

[chilly brook]

Well if you put more money than you’re willing to lose into spaceship jpegs I got a bridge to sell you

[lusty grotto]

these are numbers that dumb fucking management focuses on and then cascade into the devs

[chilly brook]

And this is coming from someone who used to be super dummy into it and spent more than he should have a long time ago

But I got my money back

[crude notch]

:aintnoway:

why isn't there an aintnoway emote in this discord

with the number of dumb takes

[chilly brook]

At this point I don’t question if they’ll even finally release a game my only question now is if they’ll actually release one that’s good/anything close to what they pitched

[crude notch]

rumor has it there was no way of releasing the game they promised

[lusty grotto]

its a sad state of affairs to be sure

[chilly brook]

Oh definitely not

[lusty grotto]

but honestly i never bought into that genre

[chilly brook]

Too much feature/scope creep

They’ll never hit everything they promised

[lusty grotto]

that's likely the case of that other MMO, whats it called

uhh

fuck

[chilly brook]

Ashes?

[lusty grotto]

yea

yea yea

but at least that game is privately funded i guess?

[chilly brook]

From my understanding yeah it’s being funded mostly by the guy at the top of the project

[crude notch]

Releasing a good popular MMO just seems so risky rn

[lusty grotto]

right that's what i've read too

unless they 180d

well its that and riot's

idk if there's anything else

[crude notch]

Riot's MMO hype has quickly died down ye

[chilly brook]

Idk I just wanna like walk around in space and be like boba fett or something

[toxic pewter]

Riot mmo will be canceled

[crude notch]

you'll be cancelled if you don't stfu

:kappa:

[mighty valley]

i worked at riot, it was so funny to see all the comments being like "can't wait for this to come out in 2022"

[chilly brook]

Riot mmo died when ghostcrawler left

[mighty valley]

they took almost a decade to make a card game, folks

[lusty grotto]

xD

i dont think that's a bad thing

when its done is okay

[crude notch]

Majority of gamers have zero idea how long a game takes to make even after it's announced.

[chilly brook]

This is why I like Bethesda’s normal approach

[toxic pewter]

If riot was smart they would cut their losses

[chilly brook]

Basically like radio silence

And then 2-3 months before release

Hey here’s the game, it’s coming in 3 months

[lusty grotto]

Yeah, but they want pre-ordering money, which when refunded they can write off taxes

[crude notch]

The problem is people follow guys like ghostcrawler like a hawk.

So when he went to Riot in 2014, it instantly started the humming

Even without Riot saying anything at the time

[chilly brook]

I just say that because he was the lead guy on it

Usually at least imo it’s not a good thing to have leadership transition on a project mid development

[crude notch]

Now him and Holinka are starting a new project and it's like, okay release something new already because you haven't actually made anything we've played in 10 years.

[daring marlin]

Riot MMO and fighting game gonna own

[chilly brook]

Holinka is a chad

Didn’t realize how built the dude was tbh

[crude notch]

Ye

[daring marlin]

YOU LEARNED TODAY

[lusty grotto]

I'm more interested in the GAME Notorious is making

[crude notch]

He went from this in WoD:

To this in DF:

Some zaddy vibes

[toxic pewter]

That me

[chilly brook]

He went after it

Channeled the Bajh vibes I guess

[south zealot]

average vengeance gamer

[crude notch]

how goes the dh adventures?

[south zealot]

gaming ofc

im like 418

just need to spam 17s pretty much

[undone verge]

I find vengence so boring in raid

[chilly brook]

Lemme finish leveling my monk and I’ll do some 17s with you

I’ll be your healer

[sick sentinel]

11-16s for you right now, most of your gear will be wyrm crest upgrades

[south zealot]

wdym finish leveling

holy

[chilly brook]

You heard me

Got 3 levels

[south zealot]

also egirlchoco is havoc not vengeance

[modern brook]

my guys a level 3 monk smh

[south zealot]

sorry

[daring marlin]

doing keys

yuck

[sick sentinel]

not if they give io or gear for me

new pc bnet app update for some reason again

[uneven mason]

Gotta push those MW3527: Shit in a bucket zombies ads

[daring marlin]

Anyone else shooting for 20k steps today?

Let's goooooo warrior lads

[uneven mason]

I don't measure steps I measure Mewtwo candies

[crude notch]

based

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/piece-candy-james-woods-piece-of-candy-gif-5697237

[sick sentinel]

whats another extremely ez key to run this week around 17's? ||(in b4 all of them, even if true)||

mostly worried about neltharus i think i dunno if its actually so bad on fort weeks like this

i already timed multiple lairs fh and VP this week, trying to broaden horizon a bit more

[mighty valley]

underrot is generally the easiest

[sick sentinel]

i cant place my finger on it but i always struggle with that place

[mighty valley]

time to work out your struggles

[sick sentinel]

the whole friggin dungeon it seems lol

i hate that place so much

[mighty valley]

i don't know how neltharus is after the changes, it was also mostly easy if everyone knew chain pulls

[crude notch]

if you remotely feel like you need to do chain pulls in a 17, you deserve the ensuing wtfs

[nocturne spindle]

underrot usually fails because pugs are stupid and dont do boss mechanics

or let the focusing mob eat their face

[proper roost]

all of them

[hot moat]

for stats, are we trying to hover around 30% for crit and haste and then overflow into vers when possible? is that the general strategy? or should we be going > 30% for some stat?

[sick sentinel]

that under rot run i shared was pretty awful

[modern brook]

Ilvl > haste as a rule of thumb. Sim self for individual upgrades

[hot moat]

ok thanks

[sick sentinel]

@hot moat to add to what he said, its a bit less on ring and neck slots as you cant get str only stam and secondaries, rings/neck are a bit more loose on if you can equip lower, generally speaking, ilvl=king there too though.

[crude notch]

-_-

[hot moat]

right i have a lower ilvl ring with crit / haste that i'll swap if with a haste / vers ring if needed

[crude notch]

it's still more stats > less stats on ring

[modern brook]

just sim it and save your brain energy for playing the game

[hot moat]

lol k

[sick sentinel]

what about in the case of this then

no, i didnt volcanic sculptor it.

is this as good or better than a 441 ring then?

[mighty valley]

it's really easy with rings

just add up the stats you're getting from the base + the gem

is that more than the higher ilvl ring? cool

[crude notch]

stats

a socket carries 103 stats

which is more then 3 ilvl

so

as stated

more stats > less stats