not rly
#protection
daring marlin
That's what I mean tho, WW still gr8 for farmin
strong forum
but for dungeon clearing its pretty good
chilly brook
Idk looks like no barbs have killed Uber Lilith yet
strong forum
yeah maybe hearts fix that
daring marlin
I want upheavel to be good
strong forum
Idk looks like no barbs have killed Uber Lilith yet
ben has
on HC
already
post patch
chilly brook
Did he finally?
strong forum
wdym finally?
daring marlin
Buff hellhammer
chilly brook
The damage difference between barb and the other classes he was lookin at…lmfao
Like yikes
strong forum
it was always that weak vs lilith
pre-patch it was 15mil crits instead of 5mil crits
but thats about it
like the only non-bleedbug abuse hota kills were like 10min kills pre-patch, when sorc and necro were 1-2min kills
crude notch
Who do i root for in Group A?
Divine's team?
OCE team?
FSY?
Moad's team?
CN
I don't know anyone in "The Greg Push" team so they're off the table
strong forum
moads team
they crank
they arent echo
but the next best thing aside from andies team
and alk is currently working on lilith on softcore, griff
strong forum
my goal was to kill her before season but 2 weeks ago i ran out of steam for SC
crude notch
Love how the biggest Hype generation for the next PoE league has been done by blizzard and not GGG.
So true
strong forum
it is kinda wild
that they missed the memo of making a patch hype and make people WANT to play
especially season 1 is the most crutial for player retention
south zealot
Who do i root for in Group A?
Divine's team?
OCE team?
FSY?
Moad's team?
CN
I ...
skyline na last hope aster y
anti eu route
south zealot
ofc
crude notch
I do
lusty grotto
the one with bear aug hpal
crude notch
I got the script
south zealot
NAS LAST HOPE WINS SHEEESH
lusty grotto
sp and mage/boomie
crude notch
No sheesh won't win, calm down
lusty grotto
im betting 2 bucks
strong forum
80% chance echo wins
lusty grotto
gonna win big for this prediction
crude notch
Echo or the field, who you taking?
daring marlin
THAT'S HUGE
south zealot
who is the field
daring marlin
go get 'em j
crude notch
The field is everyone that's not Echo
south zealot
echo probably
strong forum
game dead
jagged pier
jagged pier
run your own key?
brittle owl
wdym
just press buttons innit
get some sweatlord to tell you how to press them in a discord, ez pz
sick sentinel
at last, 150k dmg
daring marlin
@proper roost we gotta immortal run mega next time
no pepega first boss
Xorothian set looks pretty good with that time rift axe they added
daring marlin
people just gotta spread and cc their own add
me thinks
but hey at least it seemed like more traps spawned???
strong forum
smh
proper roost
i don't know the exact timers, but the first set is always the same
daring marlin
Where is that from tho?
proper roost
she casts 8 traps exactly
strong forum
legion assaults
daring marlin
I like the new one!
proper roost
then 5 adds spawn
daring marlin
wait rly
proper roost
then 2nd set of add activation gets cast again
and then about 5s later she recasts traps
daring marlin
As in the pre legion event or
south zealot
the guy who didnt take kick got upset we overlapped
strong forum
the literal legion assaults
south zealot
strong forum
that happen every 4hrs
proper roost
Your evoker
strong forum
in broken shore
daring marlin
ah, ok
proper roost
didn't... take kick?
strong forum
but theyre like 1% drop chance
proper roost
strong forum
so GL
south zealot
literally didn’t have it
south zealot
im a little behind the curve so i have awful pugs rn lol
daring marlin
That was me last season banging out 3k in the last couple weeks on my fresh pally
you get some weirdos
proper roost
literally didn’t have it
daring marlin
Goin for title choco?
proper roost
That was me last season banging out 3k in the last couple weeks on my fresh pall...
we can bang out 3k today
south zealot
yeah im trying to pug title
proper roost
my pally is 425 that basically means im good to go 3.2k
south zealot
but its gonna be a struggle lol
proper roost
i've spent the last hour studying ellesmere's guides
i am now a holy paladin expert
south zealot
crude notch
basically ready to win TGP
south zealot
pretty much
crude notch
skyhold title gang?
crude notch
f that
strange atlas
Do you guys think the mirror from the mega dungeon is worth using?
south zealot
on the brighside of that no kick evoker situation
i did like 102k on first boss of underrot
beat the ret pally in my group
proper roost
choco will never play with friends
daring marlin
That ret pally SUX
proper roost
he's going to pug
forever
never add anyone
just move through keys like a swift prot warrior in the night
south zealot
proper roost
Choco has left the group.
south zealot
proper roost
ok so there's just one issue
i can't reuse leg enchant for prot and holy
🤦
this is dumb
south zealot
title is gonna be like 27/28s so idek if ill get close
lusty grotto
smh my head just get a 2nd leg
south zealot
jagged pier
whats your other tank?
modern gazelle
Do you guys think the mirror from the mega dungeon is worth using?
If it sims good yes. I used it till I got my anvil
modern gazelle
what am i missing
Smaller hitbox
modern gazelle
Boss too big. Can’t see him so therefore can’t hit him
strong forum
well thats a tauren issue
strange atlas
Yeah Ive been uusing it. I cant decide whether to use that 1 or dargul
strong forum
mirror is dogwater
modern gazelle
Just sim it
strong forum
3k secondary stats on 3min CD
is not good
the "mirrores abilities" is only auto attacks
strange atlas
Is it bet to use one offensive and 1 defensive trink?
strong forum
2 offensive
modern gazelle
Not if you don’t need defense
strange atlas
ok. ive been using 2 offensive primarily
crude notch
<:critcake:984549832511344640>
what are you forced to go dwarf for?
chrome falcon
whats your other tank?
vdh
chrome falcon
why would dwarf matter
need a self dispel
strong forum
theres a magic debuff on sark?
toxic pewter
does that even work tho
chrome falcon
theres a magic debuff on sark?
you can see on sense's kill
you send the entire raid down apart from tank
they get the knockback debuff
modern gazelle
Does spell block get rid of the dot from rashok?
strong forum
ah
chrome falcon
strong forum
for that cheese
modern gazelle
Cause sometimes I just don’t have the dot
strong forum
ic
modern gazelle
And I can’t figure out why
south zealot
need a monk or a dwarf yeah
strong forum
rashok dot is raidwide applied, not to tank alone
spellblock doesnt prevent application of anything
its only damage reduction
modern gazelle
Yeah that’s what I thought
lethal atlas
You can spell block the flame slash in the tank combo no?
modern gazelle
When I go to clear sometimes though it just isn’t even on me
strong forum
yes but that has nothing to do with a dot or debuff application
modern gazelle
I’ll have to look at logs tonight
proper roost
need a self dispel
rerolling brm seems cheaper than this unironically
proper roost
smile
strong forum
never tried
proper roost
jesus
chrome falcon
£20 each btw
chrome falcon
I thought they got rid of faction vs race changes
proper roost
Give him a break he's doing it with tears streaming down his eyes
toxic pewter
can prob submit a ticket and maybe they can refund it
proper roost
Forced to spend $20 to raid with guild
chrome falcon
Yeah I’m gonna ticket apb
proper roost
chrome falcon
It’s 20 dollars??
toxic pewter
I did a race change one time and they reversed it (as i sent a ticket with an hour) but i actually used the race change and changed race in that situation
strong forum
used to be 25€
toxic pewter
i just buy the 8 pack or 3 pack when they on sale
chrome falcon
^
strong forum
US only complains the loudest about it
but US taxes %wise takes away far less than EU does
waxen frigate
I’m making a joke about the reason the US declared independence
strong forum
its just yours you gotta do manually and you get to go to jail if you do it wrong
crude notch
Can you refund these things??
yes
strong forum
ah
modern brook
its just yours you gotta do manually and you get to go to jail if you do it wron...
as you should tbh
its your civic duty to be able to add and get the number im thinking
strong forum
jagged pier
i love loosing like half my money before i see it yet the rich in my country only get taxed for 20%
south zealot
its just yours you gotta do manually and you get to go to jail if you do it wron...
what an INSANE thing by the way
strong forum
its fucking wild
south zealot
guess how much money you owe and hope youre fucking right
modern brook
he said, gunless, from the comfort of his livable wage
torn gulch
as you should tbh
Such a cooked take
The tax office has all the data it needs, why do I need to do their work for them?
lusty grotto
because you doing them is you agreeing to do them
as an acknowledgment
and people would complain about X number or X thing or whatever
south zealot
Such a cooked take
The tax office has all the data it needs, why do I need to do...
its just lobbying
lusty grotto
thats why the IRS makes you do it, and why other countries do it as well
strong forum
Such a cooked take
The tax office has all the data it needs, why do I need to do...
(obv joke is obv)
torn gulch
i love loosing like half my money before i see it yet the rich in my country onl...
If that is UK that means you re on a decent income
If you re losing half to tax
urban portal
45% and other junk right
torn gulch
Plus NI and student loan tax if you have it
jagged pier
urban portal
In us we have social security welfare unemployment
dusky canopy
Man I tried posting in the mythic recruitment discord and I literally cannot keep up with the DMs lol…
How is everyone’s day going btw?
modern brook
ass
torn gulch
In us we have social security welfare unemployment
Like in every first world country
waxen frigate
Man I tried posting in the mythic recruitment discord and I literally cannot kee...
Weird flex
dusky canopy
Steady zugzuggin!?
south zealot
Man I tried posting in the mythic recruitment discord and I literally cannot kee...
everyone wants you
jagged pier
Man I tried posting in the mythic recruitment discord and I literally cannot kee...
yer not a lot of players around atm
dusky canopy
Weird flex
Oh no I didn’t mean it like that I was just very surprised is all like I’m not anything special lol just your average 90+% gamer
jagged pier
guild comping at the big for recruits
waxen frigate
I’m just messing with you
torn gulch
In us we have social security welfare unemployment
By the way tell me about that universal healthcare that you guys have I ve heard it s good
waxen frigate
How many of those guilds are ones that are significantly below your prog though 🙂 I know that’s how it was for me
toxic pewter
be sure to ask the only question that matters: how much daily gold u offer for repairs
torn gulch
Unlimited guild repairs
toxic pewter
that the best guild
torn gulch
Is the only way
dusky canopy
I mean I have 0 mythic prog but all pink heroic logs so I guess it’s somewhat attractive.. have had a handful of 3/9 and 4/9 offers so I’ve been leaning into those naturally
south zealot
waxen frigate
Ah yeah that’s good then
torn gulch
You should look at 4/9 and up isn't 3/9 pug level?
dusky canopy
My heroic arms logs are like 85-95 and the one wants me as arms so that’s most likely the play
I’m assuming to not get a tank spot starting out
I know that’s hard to come by
dusky canopy
You should look at 4/9 and up isn't 3/9 pug level?
Yes
uneven mason
3/9 is puggable yeah
jagged pier
You should look at 4/9 and up isn't 3/9 pug level?
i mean u can pug doesnt mean its common there are normal progression guilds out there
dusky canopy
Yeah like I’m obviously not going to expect to get like 6/9 or higher offers with no prievous prog experience outside of the puggable bosses
uneven mason
But to jakeys point - aotc is puggable but people still form guilds around that goal
dusky canopy
More or less just getting my feet wet
torn gulch
But to jakeys point - aotc is puggable but people still form guilds around that ...
Fair
uncut thunder
But to jakeys point - aotc is puggable but people still form guilds around that ...
This. A lot people still want to play what fits right for them@in terms of scheduling and people chemistry.
dusky canopy
From my perspective I’ve always just been a AOTC “Andy” because it’s very easy to just hop into a pug when it’s convenient for my schedule and time
It also hasn’t ever really required communication outside of typing
Except maybe Jalor as a most recent example
urban portal
Like in every first world country
I’m not saying the Us is good in anyway
uneven mason
YMMV, Sire D was a nightmare for pugs
dusky canopy
Sire was pretty bad yeah that’s fair
urban portal
I’m saying that with 45% income tax+ss+other junk pushes it above 50
dusky canopy
Just tossing my 2 cents into that convo, the US economic function is absolutely horrendous in comparison to other countries like people who think otherwise just do not understand it at all
We have insane healthcare costs
Insane education costs
Insane insurance coverage costs
Literally everything
And on top of all that
Poor wages
uneven mason
Us healthcare pays for the r and d for the rest of the world
urban portal
Us also pays for defense for rest of the world
If we slice like 15% of defense we can fund a lot of those things
dusky canopy
It’s honestly sad what we have here in the us, I envy some other countries way of economy personally. But to each there own of course
urban portal
When NATO wants to pay up then US can have better systems
urban portal
YMMV, Sire D was a nightmare for pugs
You think so? I was doing heroic sire every week
waxen frigate
How about that uhh
urban portal
Sylv was hard
waxen frigate
Prime minister of Malaysia
strong forum
Us healthcare pays for the r and d for the rest of the world
the backend cost of healthcare in EU also costs this much, but since every citizen pays a baseline tax/insurance for it, everybody who actually gets hurt/sick doesnt have to go into debt
urban portal
Sylv was a 11 min fight
dusky canopy
No politics would be more direct, economic discussions are separate from that
uneven mason
But effective tax bracket for the top 50% of earners and bottom 30% is zero, also SS payments have a hard monetary limitation so you're idea that it takes the highest tax bracket higher is flat incorrect
dusky canopy
Specific political view points don’t need to be discussed in a public setting but economic discussions are generally less aggressive because generally it effects everyone pretty similarly
crude notch
if only he'd ask
sick sentinel
ya, rip
sick sentinel
the thing i did there was 437 to 447 bracers
strong forum
ominous
south zealot
ok i trust u
dusky canopy
the backend cost of healthcare in EU also costs this much, but since every citiz...
I envy that man we have 7-10k deductibles here and max out of pockets of up to like 15k
Like it’s actually retarded
Oh and 500usd a month just to have it too btw
proper roost
wtf is this spec lmao
uneven mason
Oh and 500usd a month just to have it too btw
Cheap
proper roost
i don't know what i'm supposed to be doing but tyrs deliverance even with 15% nerf is doing 40k hps by itself
the hell 💀
strong forum
yes
dusky canopy
Shit owns aye
proper roost
this shit is so broken
dusky canopy
I need it
proper roost
i was like "oh resto shaman is the cd healer, it has so many cds"
No
hello
wtf
Hpally has like 5 cds now
and one of them has 65% uptime
??
sick sentinel
okay, so, my vault sucks atm, it has 2 pairs of pants and a shitty socketed ring, i have 2 shit rings equipped champion maxxed at 437
unless im holding socket for a future vault it seems like socket is a waste of a pick
uneven mason
I envy that man we have 7-10k deductibles here and max out of pockets of up to l...
Let's not forget the best part, where some nurse practitioner that they pay to skim case files before approving payments can just decide that your trip to the ER wasn't medically necessary and foot you with the entire 150,000$ bill
south zealot
Hpally has like 5 cds now
and has 1 minute sac
wtf does hpal have
i mean
wtf does rsham have
sick sentinel
so, im torn between crafting pants, cloak, or ring 437, later into 447
waxen frigate
Craft your mother
sick sentinel
there is no super legs we can get right
crude notch
super legs?
south zealot
dude this fucking group im in
sick sentinel
bis whatever
south zealot
is like doing background checks on applicants
proper roost
big thick legs
strong forum
wtf does rsham have
it never had anything besides numbers
toxic pewter
i use tier pants so I would prob craft ring
south zealot
holy shit ive been in queue for like 15 minutes
sick sentinel
srry lol i shouldnt have typed it like that your right
waxen frigate
Fishnets are bis for legs
torn gulch
Let's not forget the best part, where some nurse practitioner that they pay to s...
Or pay 237 dollars for a 5 dollar medicine etc etc
proper roost
yogi's on the hunt for them hot legs
dusky canopy
holy shit ive been in queue for like 15 minutes
I feel that bro I was just bitching about that in here yesterday lmao
sick sentinel
set legs, meh legs or blehhhhhh socketed ring
sick sentinel
that or im picking between a socket or a spark
proper roost
but still
sounds like u waited 15 minutes to +2 your key
sounds like it was worth
south zealot
everyone has their interrupt so better than last key
crude notch
how are those giga?
quiet pagoda
Vault dilemma, looking for input: replace Ward of Faceless Ire (Hero) for Beacon to the Beyong (hero), or replace a Hero head or ring (non bis) for a Mythic track one
aka, is beacon worth loosing ~6 ilvl's on a head/ring
sick sentinel
bacon 437 in ur vault?
sick sentinel
beacon also hits for a million if it crits
proper roost
lusty grotto
pick the beacon and dont even think about it
daring marlin
how tho
daring marlin
tyrannical
How is that even possible
I could tank the whole dungeon on my dk
that guy was afk
lusty grotto
which pack
waxen frigate
just had a 444 vdh die to a pack in VP 17
To be fair tanking a 17 is very hard. About as hard as healing an 18
dusky canopy
It’s the classes identity so I just always assume it’s momentum
Even for the spec that can’t talent into it
lusty grotto
lmao
dusky canopy
quiet pagoda
bacon 437 in ur vault?
ye, hero 437 in vault.
waxen frigate
<:ydnad:1030092574058369044>
It’s Kanga lore
quiet pagoda
sounds unanimous to go for beacon.
lusty grotto
seriously fuck momentum, idk why that shit isnt just removed
uneven mason
sounds unanimous to go for beacon.
Bacon is best
dusky canopy
seriously fuck momentum, idk why that shit isnt just removed
Bro hard agree
Bfa DH was sick
3 button hero
Bring it back
lusty grotto
idk what the DH dev is thinking
uneven mason
seriously fuck momentum, idk why that shit isnt just removed
Because what else are they going to do to give hdh engaging gameplay, actually design another button?
lusty grotto
i bet they bump their chest and be like BRUH ITS SKILL CEILING TO AVOID SHIT AND MAINTAIN UPTIME
uneven mason
idk what the DH dev is thinking
He quit in legion, spec is still half done
waxen frigate
He quit in legion, spec is still half done
He’s working on the third spec
astral crystal
support DH spec soon
uneven mason
He’s working on the third spec
Waiting for them to reach 2 fully realized specs still
uneven mason
support DH spec soon
I could see a dh spec based around debuffs
uneven mason
Arms doesn't do damage anyway
lusty grotto
it is currently far above fury in totally correct Wowhead DPS Rankings (TM)
uneven mason
it is currently far above fury in totally correct Wowhead DPS Rankings (TM)
You get your facts outta here
lusty grotto
crude notch
Jesus christ you guys have mass brainrot today
lusty grotto
no i had that yesterday after wiping on reclears in xiv for 3.5 hours
waxen frigate
Maybe try opening your eyes
lusty grotto
spell reflect
or did the caster land a hit before it lmao
cause ive had that happen
south zealot
yeah caster sniped
lusty grotto
stupid caster
south zealot
eitehr way just one dispel
south zealot
not a single thing happened and this guy got blasted
lusty grotto
F
jovial steeple
tusks drop in HC and Mythic SOO?
jagged pier
they drop i nboth yes
jovial steeple
ty
crude notch
choco don't you have a therapist to whine about all your problems?
jovial steeple
oh, sry
crude notch
don't apologize, we talk about everything in here except wow 99.9% of the time
jagged pier
^
south zealot
choco don't you have a therapist to whine about all your problems?
no
u guys are my therapist for all things wow pugs
daring marlin
Jakey does his best to have people stay on topic
jagged pier
i didnt today C:
jagged pier
😉
lusty grotto
Sal used to do it
GET BACK INTO PROT DISCUSSION PEASANTS
or something like that
it was funny
tbf prot channel hasnt changed we go off topic every 5 seconds
lusty grotto
lol i dont doubt it
proper roost
eh
halfway through the season
not much to discuss
it's better than other places that are just whining 24/7 about balance
jagged pier
true true which is why we let stuff slide a fair bit KEKW
jagged pier
well yer
daring marlin
LMAO
jagged pier
that was completely off topic
proper roost
LMAO
daring marlin
MY SIDES HURT DUDE
proper roost
broo let me heal your dk through a 20 i need to heal something HARD on my pally @daring marlin
this is getting interesting
daring marlin
yeah sure
daring marlin
When I get home in 2 hours
crude notch
guilford talks about working out every 3 hours, you don't tell him this has nothing to do with prot
proper roost
crude notch
jakey holding back yogi
proper roost
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
warm plinth
Rekt
proper roost
i was playing them with a limiter now i'm unlocked
jagged pier
tbf alot has changed since then we actually want some mastery now
daring marlin
yeh
south zealot
warm plinth
If it makes you feel better, I tanked like 3 keys early in the week missing 3 talent points because they inexplicably reset them (on pally)
daring marlin
If it makes you feel better, I tanked like 3 keys early in the week missing 3 ta...
DUDE
proper roost
i didn't think they changed prot talents??
daring marlin
THE ONLY REASON
proper roost
or anything in class tree?
warm plinth
And one of those was the sentinel extending
daring marlin
I CHANGED MINE LAST WEEK
WAS CUZ I HAD TO TAKE SENTINEL
I dunno why I had might but was like wait
Past me looking out for present me for sure
warm plinth
They didn't change class talents AFAIK.
I didn't notice til I fatfingered N and saw the message
daring marlin
lmao
proper roost
Weird
proper roost
nice yogi
warm plinth
Who knows how long I would have played without them...
sick sentinel
447 when 4 aspect crest
daring marlin
Who knows how long I would have played without them...
Never really change talents?
😮
warm plinth
Not really. I'm not raiding and it's not really worth in keys
proper roost
ghash is not a turn evil for incorp enjoyer
warm plinth
Yes I am. I have turn evil
warm plinth
Yep. Am big lazy
proper roost
powerful
warm plinth
If I remember I swap for something else, then I just get pissed when I do my first incorporeal dungeon and didn't swap back
proper roost
need to buy a new token soon i am broke 
toxic pewter
you guys think a ring equal ilvl with a socket with vers/crit better than haste/crit ring
strong forum
not unlikely
sick sentinel
why 437 tho
burning up the free 437 item from niffen, later into 447
toxic pewter
oops the socket ring is vers crit
sick sentinel
simply didnt have a 447 item ready
toxic pewter
wait is eranog ring only good for single target
or is it just a wear all the time ring
toxic pewter
ok thank you
shy python
https://wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker/18
This isnt updated for S2 is it?
strong forum
strong forum
@fierce juniper green man where gone
lusty grotto
on use dn
lusty grotto
daaats me
lusty grotto
crude notch
bro guilford what are you even playing these days, you change your main more than me?
strange tundra
How does ignore pain work? Like i understand it, but why does it count as healing? is it not just damage reduction?
strong forum
its an absorb shield
strange tundra
and that counts as healing in Details!?
strange tundra
weird
strange tundra
im new to tanks to be fair
proper roost
it's basically always been that way in wow.
proper roost
absorbs are healing simple as, they're just a form of healing that can't overheal in the same way ("overhealed" absorbs just fall off before they're used)
strange tundra
well its good to know
proper roost
yeah it's true for literally every absorb in the game
mage barrier is a heal
that's an absorb
strange tundra
absorbs are healing simple as, they're just a form of healing that can't overhea...
so useing ignore pain at full hp does nothing?
daring marlin
literally original wotlk
Anyone else member when meters couldn't track absorbs and we had the og augvoker situation?
...I member...
proper roost
n...o... I mean, it's considered healing for the purposes of tracking healing, but absorbs go on top of your hp
crude notch
disc priest never counting D:
strange tundra
okaygood
daring marlin
bro guilford what are you even playing these days, you change your main more tha...
dk time
strange tundra
thanks yall
proper roost
my pally is only 427 now
crafted 447 wep
might need to wait until after this week's heroic clear
for major ilvl upgrades
only have 2 catalyst charges left 😬
daring marlin
hah
strong forum
imagine using catalyst charges
daring marlin
for the mog
proper roost
worth though i think
daring marlin
proper roost
cuz guaranteed heroic token from 2k
- 3 charges next week
so 4x heroic slots, at least
even if i get unlucky in raid tomorrow
what time are u home 5 pm est? @daring marlin ish?
daring marlin
correct
proper roost
ok i have a fat fh 18 for you
daring marlin
MEGADUNGEON???
proper roost
and i'll just swap to rsham for timeways boss so i can trade hourglass or something
yeah but he already did it on dk yesterday
daring marlin
yes
proper roost
he'd have to do warrior or pally
lusty grotto
wtf
daring marlin
I did not
lusty grotto
who tank
proper roost
you did it on pally
lusty grotto
ok nimchipadin is retiring then
daring marlin
You made me swap!!!!
proper roost
daring marlin
Nimchipadin must deeps it
proper roost
guilford is tanking
lusty grotto
nimchipadin is unbenched
daring marlin
Is nimchippy 70 yet
proper roost
surely Tyrstone will drop for my pally 
lusty grotto
hard stuck at 61
daring marlin
surely 
proper roost
don't even think it's good for holy tbh
gloomy vortex
So forgotten experiments on Mythic, we are having troubles with going high stacks with the debuff before touching.. any ideas on how to help with this as prot warrior.. co tank was a bear and he could deal with the dots so much better.
gloomy vortex
When I say high stacks, going into p3 we are seeing 10-12 stacks before we can touch due to the other raid debuff
lusty grotto
summoning @jagged pier
gloomy vortex
I felt like I needed personal healer
proper roost
do you have logs?
jagged pier
summoning <@179993058186625025>
?
proper roost
your group isn't doing a major thing for sure but i can confirm it
much easier and quicker with the logs
proper roost
but also, for the 2nd overlap where both bosses are up, this will happen
jagged pier
AA slows and manage stacks
proper roost
"you guys"
lusty grotto
the zskarn treatment
proper roost
Hmph
funny thing, with the megadungeon i need like
almost no wyrm crests
kinda gaming
gloomy vortex
getting logs
proper roost
437 drop gear owns
lusty grotto
summoning is fun 
gloomy vortex
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/y1FaQNg36wJvBGxf , RL at mid point just said to touch at 6 stacks whatever, that did not go well which you will see in the logs
jagged pier
its fine im just in the middle of raiding, and i try and spread the info so anyone can answer
was suprised if u didnt know Nim
lusty grotto
my mind drew a blank
jagged pier
thats fair
gloomy vortex
yep no rogue or DK lol
crude notch
wild concept i know
lusty grotto
i was also assuming they were doing AA slows
gloomy vortex
we have one rogue who couldnt be there
lusty grotto
so i didnt know what the exact stack number was
proper roost
welp yeah
2 stacks of tank aoe clear debuff is generally a wipe
and you have like ~30% more stacks than usual
jagged pier
looks like they arent using AA slows
proper roost
well they dont have a dk or a rogue
their CoW uptime is good/fine
can't really not use them if you don't have them at all
lusty grotto
their group is gonna need those for zskarn too right?
or did the nerfs make it slightly better? i havent kept track
proper roost
Hey uh, you guys are pushing the boss at a bad timeframe
You should probably hold DPS with your current speed
gloomy vortex
Hey uh, you guys are pushing the boss at a bad timeframe
please explain why
proper roost
you're just on the cusp of the bad push time
The timer for the dispel debuff starts as soon as the fight starts
hold on lemme doublecheck the timers, someone posted before
proper roost
please explain why
see this
He bombs as soon as he comes out
because he needs to come out prior to 0:58 or else he has it off cd and casts it
it's 0:58 and ~1:15ish that you need to beat or slow
Skips an entire bomb by holding dps for a few seconds
sorry if my explanation is insufficient 🤷
dunno how else to explain
gloomy vortex
so we want to get 2nd boss to come out either before 58 seconds or after 1:15?
jagged pier
well 1:15 preferably i would say
proper roost
before 58, or like around 1:05-1:15
not after 1:15, after 1:15 he'll do the same thing
where he insta bombs first thing he spawns
jagged pier
like ppl shouldnt be using cds on pull
proper roost
that's irrelevant to your current actual issue, but it makes it a lot harder
to get the extra one
jagged pier
so push timing should be open to what u want
gloomy vortex
and that is due to him giving us a stack of the debuff or is it the raid debuff?
proper roost
The timer for the dispel debuff starts as soon as the fight starts
it's because of this as i said
mortal dagger
Yo, any1 wrote tickets about shield charge, which they didn't fix since s1?
proper roost
it doesn't start when the boss comes out
it starts when the fight starts
And then at specific increments if he comes out he does it
lusty grotto
Yo, any1 wrote tickets about shield charge, which they didn't fix since s1?
what specifically about?
gloomy vortex
ok the dispel debuff, that is more for the dps and healer though
lusty grotto
if youre refering to Battering Ram they fixed it a while ago
mortal dagger
what specifically about?
Going on CD, don't do dmg and don't give any buffs
lusty grotto
uhh
proper roost
2nd overlap is the hardest part of the fight to heal by a lot
lusty grotto
that hasn't happened to me
proper roost
Going on CD, don't do dmg and don't give any buffs
have a log of this?
lusty grotto
i dont think its a current issue tbh
strong forum
Going on CD, don't do dmg and don't give any buffs
dont use SC whilst youre still using normal charge
same goes for heroic leap
proper roost
neat
mortal dagger
I know places where it bugs every time
crude notch
You mean besides the ones mentioned?
mortal dagger
And tday it happened to me on flat surface
mortal dagger
dont use SC whilst youre still using normal charge
M talking about single usage not + some other ability
strong forum
have never had that happen to me
mortal dagger
perhaps we can reproduce
1 sec should record
strong forum
do you use a macro?
strong forum
isnt loading
sick sentinel
he probably privated it or somethin
while creating it, by accident, thats my guess
strange tundra
If I have sheild block and ignore pain active and take a melee hit, does the damage get reduced by sheild block before or after it gets reduced by ignore pain
mortal dagger
2nd 1
gloomy vortex
@proper roost thanks for the advice
lusty grotto
i dont see a 2nd one
i just see the on you used to open
let me check again
yeah it kinda skips ahead and ends, the clip
after you re-zone
mortal dagger
pretty often happened near 1st boss in nokhud aswell
mortal dagger
sometimes happenin in NL near 2nd boss
lusty grotto
the first one does its job
strong forum
2nd one goes on CD but youre wedged in a position where you cant path
lusty grotto
ah
lusty grotto
well i still cant see it, the clip literally skips ahead to the end so Nome might have the right of it
mortal dagger
i mean isnt it a bug?
lusty grotto
if its a pathing bug dont count on it being fixed
strong forum
but wedging yourself into a corner within LoS but stuck movementwise
is not a bug
the bug is that it shouldnt even go on CD
mortal dagger
ye
strong forum
cuz it should say no pathing available
mortal dagger
i mean i m talking about it
proper roost
the other day is when i learned it's off gcd when you use it to charge but not when you use it in melee!
strong forum
yeah
lusty grotto
ah i saw it now, must be my twitch addons messing with the clip
proper roost
demo shout enjoyer 😡
proper roost
anyway yeah i mean
no one's stopping you from putting in a bug report
but even an easily reproducible bug is not necessarily going to be a high priority fix
strong forum
wouldnt count on that being fixed
proper roost
or even like
a medium or low priority
cuz yeah like... just... dont cast it when ur stuck
strong forum
we have more pressing bugs
lusty grotto
no harm in trying
strong forum
that are likely not getting addressed
demo shout and TC being smaller than advertised for example
BSV proccing too early
mortal dagger
but even an easily reproducible bug is not necessarily going to be a high priori...
but since s1...
strong forum
yeah those that i named have existed for probably much longer
proper roost
i mean idk how to break this to you
but blizzard in general doesn't prioritize class bugs unless they're extremely balance breaking
strong forum
oh i know
proper roost
the high priority bugs that they fix are things that crash the game
not you, i meant kaban
mortal dagger
checked the logs from nl, it s not even counting that i used SC
proper roost
even bugs that literally make entire talents unusable or pointless
lusty grotto
☝️
proper roost
the bug existing for a while just doesn't really mean much unfortunately
the game is really big
and really spaghet
strong forum
there are probably some unnerving focus related bugs too
that shit never worked 100%
prolly with warmachine and AA
or when being meleed
i think all those dont get buffed by Unnerving focus
mortal dagger
atleast now u ll know and ll not use SC from this spot Kappa
proper roost
you don't really want to use shield charge to gap close like you're doing
mortal dagger
cuz of flat surface
proper roost
that's probably why most people don't even know this exists
lusty grotto
yeah thats a good point kanga
strong forum
yeah i never use SC as gap closer
toxic pewter
how much damage are we losing out from not getting str from armor from augmentation blistering scales
lusty grotto
those still shouldnt happen but yea
strong forum
blistering scales does not increase our str
toxic pewter
right
proper roost
so, like, idk i mean... it kinda sucks but also you shouldn't use SC that way
toxic pewter
how much dps do we lose cuz of that
strong forum
so we're losing like 250 str
toxic pewter
is it a small amount
strong forum
maybe 200str
toxic pewter
is it true they did that cuz of dps warr
strong forum
no fucking idea
toxic pewter
apparently they benefit from it too much or something
ngl kinda feels bad to have one of our talents just canceled out like that
lusty grotto
didnt they say it was because of vanguard?
toxic pewter
its actually pretty rare that they do that where literally 1 class cannot benefit from something
its an awful precident imo
strong forum
is a bug for all we know
toxic pewter
they purposely targeted it
strong forum
says who
waxen frigate
Yea it was in patch notes
proper roost
its not a bug they specifically said it was because of dps warriors
strong forum
oh
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
found it