protection

[proper roost]

guilford made me downrank my key to 17 and then didn't even use it before he logged

[lusty grotto]

smh

[daring marlin]

I have to wake up at 5:30am

[lusty grotto]

i just got out of my xiv raid with severe brain rot

[daring marlin]

shut up

[proper roost]

well whose fault is taht

[daring marlin]

mine duh

imagine WORKING

[proper roost]

that could address both of you funnily enough

[lusty grotto]

[daring marlin]

nimchipadin needs to do mega D tomorrow with us

that'd be huge

[proper roost]

that would be huge

[lusty grotto]

ill see what i can do but

i should really REALLY push this week so idk

[daring marlin]

nim we're certified owners

[proper roost]

its like 1h

dont u need

hourglass

or something idk

[lusty grotto]

i dont even know lmao

[proper roost]

smh...

[cinder nova]

Ayyyy

6/9M

[lusty grotto]

maybe?

[cinder nova]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-17950420

[lusty grotto]

grats!

[proper roost]

well look it up

[cinder nova]

Dude Zskarn is scuffed af.

The whole prog kill felt like a scuff af pull and before we knew it the dude was at 5% and then he was on the floor.

It didn't feel like a normal boss kill.

Kinda weird.

[waxen frigate]

That’s Zskarn for ya

[cinder nova]

I assume Magmorax is kinda a roll

[lusty grotto]

yeah

or so im told by my evoker friend

and then after that you get to play private weakaura setup simulator

[waxen frigate]

Bad assumption

Everyone assumes that and then it kicks their ass

[cinder nova]

Can't be worse than Zskarn

So far I think Zskarn is my least enjoyable boss

[rustic tinsel]

Zskarn primed Xan and I’s guild to die on Mag

[lusty grotto]

strange

i trust my evoker friend though

[cinder nova]

https://tenor.com/view/fist-fight-film-charlie-day-im-sorry-what-excuse-me-gif-6046518

[rustic tinsel]

It’s a very easy mechanical boss, the dps check does exist though

[lusty grotto]

echo = private weakaura setup simulator

you get to parse by telling people how to read the private WA

[cinder nova]

Show me what it looks like

[lusty grotto]

uhhh

your guild will take care of that 🙂

[cinder nova]

This sounds frightening.

[proper roost]

i literally just learned how symbol of hope works

and i have realized i have missed like 4 defensive uses per rashok because of it

fuck

[cinder nova]

IS IT A CONE

[proper roost]

i thought it was only a mana cd

but

and we double holy priest on rashok

hmph.

[cinder nova]

Did you genuinely think you were getting like 1m walls from SS and AM

kekw

[proper roost]

I don't play prot in raid

[cinder nova]

Oh, you don't hate yourself, got it.

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-23918002

[proper roost]

nim: I should really push

also nim: afk in valdrakken

[lusty grotto]

im pondering what to do

cause i gotta go to bed soon

[proper roost]

ok gn

[lusty grotto]

just thinking of what i need to do to just get w/e in-game chores done

[proper roost]

well you only push on your warrior right

so just do 16s on your pally

and then you're... done? you can just push on warrior

gg

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats the plan but i dont think i can tonight

[modern gazelle]

Swapped to defenders aegis and that helped keep my timings on shield wall better. I know it’s technically lower uptime but having it on hand when I needed it made a difference

With intermissions I was able to do SW > Spell Block > Shield wall and repeat

[proper roost]

then sleep good

👍

[modern gazelle]

Need to be better about weaving def stance though

[round pendant]

well that's depressing

[proper roost]

shoulda done 4 more 16s

then that woulda been a 447 helm

[round pendant]

it has a socket too

sadge

[modern gazelle]

slacking

[round pendant]

that helmet is basically the same as my current one

[modern gazelle]

but what if it was a beacon

then you would be real sadge

[round pendant]

lol

the ring is kinda good, has a socket also

[modern gazelle]

I use that ring

[warm plinth]

Ring is good

[round pendant]

yeah I went with the ring even tho it's only a small upgrade over my last one

[sullen valve]

:) Holy paladin is mostly done now so I'll get with mwahi soon to figure out what we need for prot warrior :)

[proper roost]

nice!

[round pendant]

I want cata 2.0

[sullen valve]

Just wait for classic

zzz

(it won't be the same)

[warm plinth]

Can't wait to be able to say wowa works for prot war again

[topaz raptor]

Is the mirror or sand glass trinket better?

[round pendant]

Bruh unholy feels so garbage to play

[modern gazelle]

whichever one sims better

[tawdry dirge]

how good is the neltharus wep for us?

[warm plinth]

bis for single target. Falls off a bit in AoE but still pretty competitive.

[urban portal]

Got a bit worse after the aura buff

But still decent/good

[tawdry dirge]

nice okay so i guess a 447 isnt to bad then

[coarse swan]

Hello there n.n i want to know i´m pretty new on the game and well i have a question, how do i get my challenging shout?? i mean in my first experience at aberrus sometimes and in certain fights i need to get the agrro right? and well i don´t have my shout to get the agro from my other tank so can any of you tell me what i am doing wrong pls u.u

[south zealot]

just use taunt

[coarse swan]

how??

[south zealot]

no need for challenging shout

the ability taunt

[coarse swan]

what is it bro?? u.u

[jagged pier]

u have a spell called taunt

[toxic pewter]

Open spell book, find ability called taunt, add to your action bars, press or click keybind

[coarse swan]

aaaaaa..... fuck i am dumb af right?? XD ty very much all bros ❤️ ❤️ 3

[warm plinth]

Can you show us your talent tree renlu?

[coarse swan]

yes just a sec.... the game just close by itself u.u my pc is not that good sometimes XD

sorry for do it so slow is my first time here in discord as well u.u

that is my talent tree for raid

do i have it right?? or no?? u.u

bros??

[warm plinth]

There are talent builds in the pins that you should be using. Most of it is correct but you have some incorrect stuff as well.

[jagged pier]

the short answer is no im afraid

[coarse swan]

u.u well ty ❤️ im gonna change them :3

[warm plinth]

No worries. We're here to answer questions so don't hesitate.

We were all new once

[coarse swan]

❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[stable raft]

has anyone used class trinket for higher keys?

[jagged pier]

i mean probably not

as u take increased damage

in higher keys that becomes far more of an issue

in your like weekly 20s perfectly

actually a pretty good trinket

[stable raft]

yeah probably right i got it in vault so i just wondered

[strong forum]

Well

The ~30% str gained during it's proc heavily outweighs the 5% increased dmg taken

[stable raft]

thats what i thought

[fast edge]

I'm still on the last tier set. When do I break it? To go 2 and 2?

[lilac bloom]

was doing a 16 underott for the last boss.. i've been moving clockwise for the boss and side step all the frontals.. ppl are telling me i need to bait with them on the right side of the boss.. how does that work? after i bait it i just move the boss clockwise while dragging him away from the adds?

[fast edge]

(Or do I need to sim)

[winter trellis]

Hi all , I have a question regards the ingi. Crafted plate bracers with the BR tinker socket , is it possible to craft them that they success is 100% ? I don’t see many Prot. warrior using them … thx

[warm plinth]

As you get the new bonuses you give up the old bonuses

[fast edge]

Sorry I'll rephrase

Do I break the old tier set once I have 2 new ones, or do I wait to break until I have a full 4-piece of the new tier set?

[warm plinth]

You replace old 4-set once you have 2-set of new one

so you run 2+2

and then you replace old 2 set when you get the new 4-set

[warm plinth]

Star = Boss
Diamond = You
Pentagon = Group

[fast edge]

perf ty

[warm plinth]

Basically you let him spit on you+group, run through him and pull him far enough that people won't be in the puddles, then you flip him back and bait the next breath the same direction as the first.

When I say let him spit on you I mean spit in your direction

[lilac bloom]

thats what i thought.. but they want me to stack on them instead on me.. like baiting to the right i stand right with them

[warm plinth]

Yes you're supposed to stand with them

Because if anyone is behind the boss/to the side of the boss, they can bait the spit that way

You want the bait going one consistent direction

[lilac bloom]

but i thought they suppose to stand on me so it baits the frontal on my direction

[warm plinth]

Yes, they are. The entire group should be standing with you

The entire group is together

You will separate from them long enough to pull the boss around the edge, then you flip him and stack again

[lilac bloom]

a few aint and i dont know whtat they doing just told me i was facing the wrong direction

oh my ok

[warm plinth]

Where are you facing him?

[lilac bloom]

mostly like in one direction going clockwise

whiel i'm tanking me around the edge of the wall

[warm plinth]

So he's facing parallel to the wall right

parallel-ish

[lilac bloom]

yah

right

[warm plinth]

Yeah you're doing it properly

If you bait it to the wall then it can bounce off and puddles end up dropping on top of people

[lilac bloom]

which i thought i was doing till they say i went to the wrong direction and not standing with them..

ok

so the frontal can bounce off the wall

[warm plinth]

yes

[lilac bloom]

and hits the ppl to the right

of ht eboss

[warm plinth]

Do you mean like...to the right as you're looking at him? Or the boss's right?

[lilac bloom]

boss's right

[warm plinth]

That would be the middle right

like middle of the room

[lilac bloom]

cos a few were on the side of him and one who weas tellig they trying to bait it to the right side of him

[warm plinth]

I mean it really doesn't matter at all where the shit gets baited as long as it's not in the direction of where you're moving the boss

[lilac bloom]

well.. they were standing on this right.. melee was standing liike on me

[warm plinth]

The most important reason for stacking is so everyone is in the light

[lilac bloom]

yah a few times they go to the side of him

not on me

and we were kinda staning on puddles

[restive scroll]

I'm only using it (nothing better still) if you want to check out my logs
But i'm only doing 20s ish, so ..

[stable raft]

send em over bro if you could

[restive scroll]

Sure thing.
I'm clearly not the best war, but I hope this helps
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Q4FxATGpCgb8Zza1#fight=last

[stable raft]

no just a sample size is enough bro thank you ❤️

[sand drum]

I assume spores trinket in vault is

[warm plinth]

Yes it is

Though actually better than inexorable resonator

[sand drum]

no forgestorm this patch yet in vault :C

[whole sapphire]

Need some vault loot advice
I have the option to either drop my Onyx Annulet (Blood,Twilight,Storm Infused) 424 for an 437 Scalebane 424 crit 924 mastery
Or drop my Enduring Dreadplate for an lingering Sporepods bth at 437

would like to drop the trinket because i don't like dreadplate very much but the stats gain for the ring keeps me thinking would it be worth it or is the annulet still strong enough?

focus m+

[warm plinth]

Drop the trinket. Dreadplate isn't great but it's a hell of a lot better than sporepods.

[sand drum]

annulet no ? ?

[warm plinth]

er

drop the ring**

[whole sapphire]

So better farm lair for that other trinket xD okay

i love lair

not

xD

[green bronze]

i remember one guy here said that prot should be able to do 100k overall in m+, but no matter how much i try i can't reach 100k, even though i can easily pull 110+ on my druid alt, any advice?

[strong forum]

for vp this dmg breakdown looks a bit off

SS should be way higher

you even have enha in your group

[green bronze]

i try to press SS whenever it is available normally

[strong forum]

you say that

but in vp 21 i did 19.5mil dmg with just SS

[scenic hollow]

Use last stand as a damage buff? I dunno

[strong forum]

i see youre playing defenders aegis

why

youre missing 20% rage generation on shield slam

thats a part of your dmg output just gone for no reason

[green bronze]

i talented it for neltharus, forgot to change back)

but feels much safer playing with it tbh

[strong forum]

yeah but youre just weaker

especially in just weekly keys

[green bronze]

my SS damage really seems low, maybe im not pressing it enough

[strong forum]

your anvil also loses a ton of value that way

my anvil did twice as much dmg as yours

[green bronze]

most of the time i feel like im overcapping rage with no meaningful way to spend it beside revenge

[strong forum]

ignore pain is a rage dump

use it

it reduces avatar and SW CD by 3.5 seconds, it fuels outburst, its a 3.5% heal

[green bronze]

do i press IP even when im capped on IP?

[strong forum]

ofc

[scenic hollow]

Yea

[strong forum]

you dont care about IP being capped

[green bronze]

ah, so thats what im doing wrong, i was actively trying to not overcap IP too often

[strong forum]

nah thats hard trolling

[green bronze]

was missing a lot of avatar uptime i guess

[strong forum]

alot of avatar uptime and alot of outbursts

which means more avatar uptime again

and more outburst

its all a loop

the more you spend the more you can generate

[green bronze]

so when do you press revenge then, only during proc?

[strong forum]

whenever SS and TC are on CD

[green bronze]

ty for advice

[scenic hollow]

Is anyone else super lazy - like me - and put Tclap also on shield block macro?

[strong forum]

if anything

youd want SS there

and not TC

[scenic hollow]

I have SS on IP

Just lazy for keys, I guess

[strong forum]

yeah and you might aswell slam it on SB aswell

cuz SS is just mega prio

[green bronze]

might as well put SS on TC then lol)

[strong forum]

that doesnt work

[scenic hollow]

Can't

[strong forum]

cant put 2 gcds on the same macro

[scenic hollow]

Can only chuck on Sblock and IP

[green bronze]

is that in game limitation>

?

[strong forum]

ye

[green bronze]

ah, ok

[strong forum]

you can make cast sequence macros, so itll alternate between 1 and 2 and then back to 1

[green bronze]

its a shame, could have created a 1 button macro for prot warr)

[strong forum]

but you cant make a priority macro

[green bronze]

would have been enough to do weeklys)

[strong forum]

blizz doesnt want 1 button rotation macros

cuz it would literally trivialise 90% of rotations

and everybody would run priority macros

and only ever spam 1 button

[green bronze]

ye, it would probably trivialise most classes except for harder ones

[strong forum]

"hard"

[crude notch]

@proper roost you see they're enacting a salary cap in LCK? Ain't no one staying.

[daring marlin]

kanga is sleepin

SHEESH

[crude notch]

That didn't stop you from pinging me about a 17 Nelth last night

[ionic roost]

We PoE now

[crude notch]

Ruck get to farming

🧑‍🌾

[daring marlin]

ye, WHERE WERE YOU

[crude notch]

I was sweepy

Now I awake

Let's go

[daring marlin]

Try again in 10 hours m8

[sick sentinel]

what if i try to recraft at item that i have the ability to infuse with power but not to modify its stats but its already crafted with crest + stats + modifier

this is what i mean

[gleaming shale]

So for stats is crit or vers preferred after haste? Preference?

[jagged pier]

preference

[gleaming shale]

Ok cool thank you

[sick sentinel]

i could get enough points into gear to be able to add power this week with profession quests

but not the 2nd or 3rd one in that row

i'd just prefer not to have to seek an engineer and then we have to try it like 10 times and i end up malding, haha

[daring marlin]

My boots took 15 tries

[sick sentinel]

my boots took 10 tries

[daring marlin]

wtf is up with boots

[sick sentinel]

was using rank 2 bars, but it still took 10 swings, and im still maliding about that

[daring marlin]

Kanga has awoken

[lilac bloom]

i want to craft my back piece but not sure which one

[hazy bronze]

Vibrant shawl

[lilac bloom]

ok thx

[olive bay]

Man, I tried the big pull in Neltharus a couple of times over the weekend and IDK how the fuck that is survivable..

443 item level, all CDs... just get clobbered

[daring marlin]

The big pull going left?

[proper roost]

do u know what ur actually dying to

or do you only have a nebulous idea

[crude notch]

gm kanga

[round pendant]

Don't you just kite them?

[proper roost]

Because ur probably just losing track of the wardens

[proper roost]

Gm why didnt you do content with me and guilford

[crude notch]

I literally said I was going to bed

[olive bay]

I've seen it done, I mostly understand it.. I got them all clumped at the chain, popped all CDs, shockwaved, and died

didn't even have time to grab the chain and leap through

[crude notch]

Nah, something is obviously a miss that would require a log or vod.

[olive bay]

Yeah, never actually completed a key

First time we messed it up 2 people just left

[proper roost]

Ok then why didn't I see you in my bed

Checkmate

[olive bay]

I'm going to try to do it this week since I'll have a decently higher chance to survive it

[proper roost]

I mean

Post log lol

or vod of it

[olive bay]

I'm at work

And I dont' have vods

So I can't

[proper roost]

then u have no idea what actually killed you

even top level players misplay cds

that pull is very long and u cant chain cds the entire time

[olive bay]

Oh, I know I did something wrong, yes. That's why I want to practice it this week

So, one thing I did

I went left, then walked back around to the front

I've seen 2 tanks do it where they just cut through the middle

[proper roost]

Yes we know the pull ur talking about

is normal

[olive bay]

I saw a warrior in some video, I don't remember what push group, he basically heroic leaped across the middle. I feel like that would be the safer play, as you don't have things on your ass attacking you

[crude notch]

Did you watch Sense's?

I know he has vods from most of his keys last week on his rio

This is a +28, mind you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBXyJQ1VdcQ&t=2s&ab_channel=Sense

[crude notch]

Our little fire elemental boi

[sick sentinel]

pepega dragonriding mount helm

actually its not too bad

[crude notch]

Seems like once you do your chain as tank you just run

[proper roost]

yeah you would die otherwise ur not facetanking that pull

u facetank as they trickle in

so you stack them for chains

and then you skedaddle

but never all together at once

and u need entire group to be on the chain

Otherwise the hunters leap out

and fuck up the stacking

[crude notch]

Yep

[olive bay]

Yeah, I think I just had them there too long, if that makes sense? Like, I tried to "tank" it but I need to just get them there and fuck off

[crude notch]

Yeah, he went stacked up, Had SR and Wall up, then when both were down he got sac, still dropped to 100k, and ran

[cunning salmon]

You guys still loving prot?

[proper roost]

i mean did u even tell ur group ur doing this

[olive bay]

yes

We all knew we were doing it

[proper roost]

did u dodge the frontal cones

did u cd all the blazing slashes

[olive bay]

I wasn't going to do a 6-pack pull and not tell people

[proper roost]

they still do them at range

[daring marlin]

cone fucks

[proper roost]

did u kick overseer

did u stun them as u ran back to the chain

[olive bay]

I imagine I died to slash, but I had up spell block and shield wall ... maybe I hit them both and fucked myself

[daring marlin]

kanga going down checklist

[olive bay]

Yeah I appreciate it too, honestly

[daring marlin]

yo at first I was like meh on thaumaturges on my dk but grip is fuckin' lit for their channel

[olive bay]

I'm just getting into 22s and 23s, there's still a lot I need to learn about tanking high keys

[daring marlin]

compared to pally

[proper roost]

grip as an always available stop is insane

[crude notch]

There's lots of intricacies in that pull you have to mark or you die and without knowing how you died, you're just gonna keep dying

So record yourself or get a log otherwise you'll keep failing it.

[proper roost]

the only thing i think u cant do same as bdk is the triple lasher pull in UR

[olive bay]

Yeah - I'm going to keep doing that pull this week while I'm in there

And get it down

[proper roost]

divine toll makes that pull way safer

[crude notch]

It's a feels good when you get it down, you just gotta be willing to do your homework when you heck up

[proper roost]

or fear/shockwave if on pwar

otherwise you're at the whim of group

only having blinding sleet is bad

[olive bay]

In high Neltharus does pretty much everyone skip the last two pulls? Is that why Sense pulls so much extra from a "normal" route?

[daring marlin]

plus cleanse if one goes out

or even just wog the debuff off

[proper roost]

Really inefficient packs

[daring marlin]

those packs suck

shielding bs

[proper roost]

i think u replied to the wrong person but I saw u anyway

[crude notch]

Daily plug for Sense's vods. Which can be found on his yt or from his rio. He's got everything but a brackenhide it seems. https://raider.io/characters/us/tichondrius/Sense#season=season-df-2

[proper roost]

wait do u not have to take hotp to wog other people as prot now

wtf

[crude notch]

That was only 4 dps cheese

oh you mean

wow that's way back

[daring marlin]

damn it yes I did

[crude notch]

took me a sec, but I realized who it was for after.

[glacial grove]

What was the 2nd haste cap? Sth like 39%?

[crude notch]

@lusty grotto

[proper roost]

i hate u guys saying %

just say the rating stg

been rating forever

% just confuses ppl

[crude notch]

what to do today

[proper roost]

me

rshams are so cooked in the head its unreal

[plush tendon]

MW obviously

[proper roost]

still 2nd most represented healer while prevoker is completely gone cuz they all had to reroll aug

in keys

[plush tendon]

no other healer gives me 5% phys dam

[proper roost]

but guy pretends double lizard is good

So tired of healer discords

[plush tendon]

they like to whine quite a bit

[crude notch]

Double lizard is good

Just not pres

[plush tendon]

what about triple lizard

[crude notch]

Lizard squad

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/lizards-cartoon-dancing-sharkymcstevenson-gif-5686399

[crude notch]

Along with every spec discord ever

Yo I'm watching this ellesmere vid. Greater Judgment is busted wtf

[proper roost]

no further questions your honor

[crude notch]

meant to say vid

[daring marlin]

based turtle man per usual

[proper roost]

Ok I'm done work let's megadungeon

[olive bay]

Does anyone know how to get the "Frontal" arrow that Sense has?

That is so good

[hidden linden]

https://wago.io/xsV9FnmYX

[olive bay]

ty

[daring marlin]

@proper roost https://twitter.com/tweetsofcats/status/1681622449606066176?s=46&t=pKJqAaes9gysilv22ZNTqA

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[zenith vale]

hey guys

how many buffs prot took last months

+5 and 6% right ?

[sick sentinel]

how many of you guys crafted ring / rings

comes with a socket and dead even garunteed stats, seems good first glance

[strong forum]

Yes rings are a good craft

[sick sentinel]

my thought is that my vault is so shit, i would take the half spark, get someone to recraft bracers 437 >> into 447 for me, and then new spark on ??? pants self crafted or rings at 437, (i hit 20 with niffen rep, it gave me a 437 item)

[zenith vale]

?

[sick sentinel]

id then later use 447 items on everything that could, take one, over time

[sand drum]

stupid Q do we even want to have cloak from last boss btw ?
is the lack of stam worth ?

[strong forum]

Absolutely terrible in m+

In raid its okay

[sand drum]

hmmh, so I might just aswell craft a back for m+ ?

[strong forum]

Yes

[sand drum]

planing on getting new shoulders instead of tier 🤷‍♂️

[proper roost]

why

[sick sentinel]

ill do the bracers 447 now

[sand drum]

more critt 😄

or vers 🤷‍♂️ dont really feel like mastery + beacon meh

[strong forum]

You don't want too little mastery

Sims will agree with that too

[jagged pier]

u do want some mastery

[sand drum]

21% rn tho

[strong forum]

The less you have smth, the more it's worth

21% is not alot lol

[sand drum]

ah

[strong forum]

That's almost bare minimum

[rough solar]

What are the current thoughts on Forgestorm?

[strong forum]

Good for parsing, meh in m+

[jagged pier]

^

[zenith vale]

guys someone remember how many buffs prot took thoses last months ?

+5 and 6% right ?

[strong forum]

2

[rough solar]

ty

[strong forum]

8 and 6

[zenith vale]

8 and 6

ok thank you

[proper roost]

you're going to lose mainstat going from 447 legs+441 tier shoulders -> 441 tier legs+447 shoulder

unless you have 447 tier for both of those

regardless of the secondaries

[strong forum]

Both legs and shoulders are the same stat budget tho

iirc

[proper roost]

are they?

[strong forum]

Ah nvm

Shoulders are 75% slot

I thought they were 100% slot too

[odd nimbus]

can you elaborate? i thought forgestorm is bis in mplus

[strong forum]

Our dmg got buffed twice

And even before those buffs, forgestorm needs to regularily to do more than 3% of your dmg in m+ to be an actual gain, and in my practice it never did

Forgestorm pre-buffs only won until ~4 targets

Then a regular statted 447 weapon shot ahead

[crude notch]

I'll buff your damage twice

[strong forum]

Pls do

[proper roost]

don't, prot warrior is too op

power must be contained

[odd nimbus]

is [Paracausal Fragment of Sulfuras] any good? when you read the description it does alot

[strong forum]

Trash

All of the paracausal trinkets are pretty bad

They're only 1 or 2 ppm

So at best like maybe 1k dps

[odd nimbus]

what about trinkets from dawn of infinite?

[strong forum]

Accelerated hourglass is good

Rest is trash

[olive bay]

Are you guys running dual shadowflame embellishments? Or running belt?

Shadowflame sims higher but I know belt is really good in aoe

[strong forum]

Both are single target

They don't get better with more target counts

[south zealot]

neither of them are particularly good in aoe bc they only hit 1 guy at a time

[olive bay]

Oh i know shadowflame was but I thought belt was aoe, okay

But either way, running dual or belt + shadowflame?

[strong forum]

I went with belt cuz I didn't wanna craft a diff belt and I'm still using eranog ring

[olive bay]

Ah

[strong forum]

Ye diff is minimal

[south zealot]

im using 2 shadowflame

if u want to save gold and have belt from last tier u can just use belt

[olive bay]

I'm currently using my haste/mastery bracers with shadowflame because I do Fury in raid

I have a 437 belt I can upgrade to 447 and then just re-craft bracers

But the difference is so minimal I doubt it's worth it

[south zealot]

i have belt and boots from fury raiding

[crude notch]

hello @proper roost will you be my 2v2v2v2 partner in league?

[proper roost]

wtf is 2v2v2v2

is that actually a new game mode

[waxen frigate]

It’s a TFT thing

I think

[proper roost]

oh i really don't get tft and it's too late to learn now

[crude notch]

no it's not tft

new game mode comes out tomorrow that's 2v2v2v2, 4 teams of 2 people then each round you go against another team

It's regular league but arenas style

@proper roost

[proper roost]

ah

god caedrel is such a little twink

nah u don't want my iron ass in league (unironic iron prob)

kalecgos on that freaky shit fr

[crude notch]

Endow your staff kanga

[chilly brook]

This was actually me

But mostly because I never played league until last year and it was my first moba too

[crude notch]

saj

I just want a duo partner i don't want to play the new game mode with a rando D:

[chilly brook]

I mean I’m no longer iron

Now I’m just bronze

Pretty sure I could climb to silver but the whole experience is kinda CBT

[lusty grotto]

filthy leaguers

[jagged pier]

☝️

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/PDpcuyB.png YEAH FUCK EM

[lusty grotto]

lmaooo

[daring marlin]

so he's basically you

got it

[lusty grotto]

🤝

[jagged pier]

🤝

[chilly brook]

At least league has a dev team

[jagged pier]

yer and its still bad

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[chilly brook]

Tbf all mobas are bad

[lusty grotto]

i would give LoL a try again if there was denying

[waxen frigate]

Denies are based

I played some turbo dota games last weeek

Accidentally randomed lone Druid

[chilly brook]

Just kill your lane opponent ez denial of gold

[waxen frigate]

Turns out I’m a god gamer who can play anything

[strong forum]

turbo is arms war + enha shaman + healer

[jagged pier]

^

[chilly brook]

I mean seriously though denying is a thing

Just not killing your own minions

[strong forum]

denying in league is bullying

[chilly brook]

Lane control and bullying can extend gold lead quite a bit

[strong forum]

loved being a lane bully

[waxen frigate]

Bullying and then denying creeps after you bully is even more fun tho

I’ve just never been able to enjoy league

[strong forum]

cant get creeps if you bullied him out of XP range

[chilly brook]

Well the more ahead you get in league the more you can bully

[waxen frigate]

It feels like a boring dota

That’s dumbed down and faster

[lusty grotto]

cant handle FoW in league either "just go into bushes lmaooo"

[strong forum]

perfect

[waxen frigate]

Bushes zzz

[chilly brook]

There’s definitely things dota does better for sure

[lusty grotto]

🤝

[chilly brook]

Like dota is a lot more flexible and there’s come back potential based on itemization etc.

[waxen frigate]

Yeah

[daring marlin]

mobs turning

lmao

[waxen frigate]

It’s an ocean of depth

[daring marlin]

dota is garbage

[waxen frigate]

guilford don’t you have keys to not run with people

[chilly brook]

But that’s a double edged sword

[lusty grotto]

[strong forum]

dota is more micro and itemization/knowledge, league is just pure gameplay

[daring marlin]

After I'm done WORKING

[waxen frigate]

League is skillshotting and comboing

[dusky canopy]

Ahh so you’re still a beginner also

Nice

[lusty grotto]

wombocombos

[chilly brook]

Mobas in general are hard enough for the average and new player.

[waxen frigate]

Yea

[strong forum]

leauge you can win with just a brain, dota you also need knowledge ontop of that i think

[daring marlin]

Like learning a fighting game

except with hundreds of characters instead

[chilly brook]

Putting a game in front of them that takes 1000 hours just to finally understand it? That’s not really sustainable

[waxen frigate]

Dota also has a lot of avenues to turn games around

[dusky canopy]

10/10 bronze 2 gamer

[lusty grotto]

well we at least had HotS for a while as a tutorial

[strong forum]

hots was based

way faster and no dumbass minion last hitting

[chilly brook]

HotS was the only moba I installed and played of my own volition

[strong forum]

no dumbass lane farming for gold

[daring marlin]

hots was a good place to turn your brain off if you wanted to just vibe in a moba

[strong forum]

hota was just pure fighting and strategy without the grind

[daring marlin]

I may be a weirdo but I like laning

[dusky canopy]

What is hots

[strong forum]

and obv actual objective based maps

[waxen frigate]

Big agree

[chilly brook]

I like laning because it’s not reliant on my dumbass team

[lusty grotto]

heroes of the storm

[dusky canopy]

Ohhh I never tried it

Can I still?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[chilly brook]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

its just not being updated with new shit

[chilly brook]

It’s just in life support now

[strong forum]

you absolutely can, its just not getting patches

[daring marlin]

Like the last hitting and trading harass and general outplaying your enemy

[waxen frigate]

Yes they just don’t update it

[daring marlin]

In solo lanes it can be frustrating but it comes with the territory

[dusky canopy]

Oh great so I should expect to go in and get absolutely decimated

[daring marlin]

JUNGLE DIFF as the kids say

[dusky canopy]

Perfect

[waxen frigate]

The thing is dota also has more flexible lane compositions, stacking/pulling jungle camps, and denies

Plus you can actually tower dive

[strong forum]

the average moba player is very very bad

[chilly brook]

HotS honestly I think would have been far more popular had it not released like 5 years too late to be relevant

[daring marlin]

We had deny in League.

[strong forum]

this

[daring marlin]

It was just GP.

[strong forum]

hots just released too late

[chilly brook]

Top lane gang gang

[daring marlin]

My OG main.

[lusty grotto]

brew its a more arcadey game, you will probably get decimated but you can do well

[strong forum]

top lane gang

[waxen frigate]

I’m a carry first, offlaner second

[daring marlin]

haha cannon minion go thanos

[dusky canopy]

Does one single S on Tristana adc make me above average?

[chilly brook]

For a while I had 62% wr as the bonk dog

[dusky canopy]

I feel like I’m total trash at league lol

[daring marlin]

prolly are

[chilly brook]

Nasus is

[daring marlin]

I'm a trash gold/plat player cuz I always play in spurts and don't push for rating a lot

nasus is fuckin' cozy gaming

[chilly brook]

People get so tilted against Nasus

I love it

[daring marlin]

oh they're harassing me

[daring marlin]

I'm just tending my farm

bonk

[dusky canopy]

I like Darius top but I’m trash at the bleed stacking mechanic

[waxen frigate]

68% winrate over 146 games

[dusky canopy]

So I always do terrible

[lusty grotto]

i can play anything in dota2, but my opener game could get some work

[waxen frigate]

My drow was a menace

[lusty grotto]

initializers etc

[waxen frigate]

Like axe?

[lusty grotto]

axe easy

ES etc

[waxen frigate]

Yea I just mean the concept

Axe is like the easiest initiator

[inner plank]

What's the stat prio for Prot in high keys (25+) ?

[crude notch]

I've played 200 mordekaiser games in the last month

[lusty grotto]

any blink dagger initializer i can sometimes f up

[waxen frigate]

Stack agi

[crude notch]

Me have brain damage

[chilly brook]

The amount of people that throw early against me as Nasus because they’re like “oMg ItS nAsUs I nEeD tO kIlL hIm 3x BeFoRe TeN mInUtEs”

[dusky canopy]

400% haste

[crude notch]

It's fun fighting people who don't watch my absorb bar

[daring marlin]

400 stacks by 20 mins

[chilly brook]

[daring marlin]

Hell, some games 5-600.

Just hilarious

[dusky canopy]

Nasus is fueled by bullying right

Because minions come closer to his tower

And he wins

[chilly brook]

Somewhat

[daring marlin]

They prolly look at me like hey where is your early sheen when I have cdr boots and kindlegem

[chilly brook]

I mean it depends

[daring marlin]

little do they know

[dusky canopy]

You have to get last hits with his q to build stacks right

[daring marlin]

I'm playing the long game

[dusky canopy]

Idfr

[daring marlin]

Q, but yes

[chilly brook]

Q but ye

[strong forum]

plat is already top 10%

[dusky canopy]

Oh I literally meant to type q but fat fingered w on mobile lol

But ye

[chilly brook]

You win against Nasus by bullying him but bullying him is different than shoving

[daring marlin]

It used to be like 1%

badum tiss

[strong forum]

yeah ik

diamond is like top 2%

[daring marlin]

It just takes time to climb

[chilly brook]

And you actually have to be good at bullying

[crude notch]

any emerald gamers

[daring marlin]

I ain't about it anymore

I'm old

[strong forum]

but the gap between diamond and challenger is still huge

[daring marlin]

100% lol

[strong forum]

its like between KSH and title gamers

and even title gamers arent all that hot

[daring marlin]

true

[dusky canopy]

Yeah I was going to say

2500 is pretty achievable

[chilly brook]

The most annoying thing about playing Nasus is when you’re taking off in lane but everyone else on your team is trash so no matter what you do even if they send their entire team at you, it means nothing because your team can’t do anything

[strong forum]

just shows how big the gap between diamond and challenger is

[daring marlin]

I was having fun blasting 17s with Kanga last night

[dusky canopy]

Oh I can imagine it’s pretty big

[daring marlin]

crackhead was pulling for me a couple times

[strong forum]

(ive not played league in a decade but back then it was like that)

[daring marlin]

dk life

[dusky canopy]

You basically have to memorize all the champ abilities and there animations/ CDs to be competitive in league right?

[south zealot]

yeah in every game the difference between top 1-2% and top 0.1% is the same as like top 1% to top 50%

[dusky canopy]

Plus learning laining phase

[waxen frigate]

If that’s the case your comparison is way off

KSH is like 10-12%

[daring marlin]

pareto distribution boys

[south zealot]

there is no world 10% of the wow players get ksh

[daring marlin]

It applies to everything

[waxen frigate]

10% of m+ players do

[strong forum]

im not going by % im going by skillgap

[south zealot]

oh ok maybe thats true

[crude notch]

Chalenjour is .01%

[waxen frigate]

ic

[jagged pier]

in EU KSH is top 15% of chars that have done a m+

[waxen frigate]

Yea in NA it’s 12% right now

[crude notch]

Hell Masters is .2%

[jagged pier]

the last bit is what u have to remeber alts are included in that stats

[waxen frigate]

11% for s1

[jagged pier]

and ppl that dont do m+ at all arent

[waxen frigate]

Yea

[crude notch]

Diamond is 1%
Plat is 8%
Gold is 22%

[south zealot]

i was like 5 games away from masters in league

[waxen frigate]

But for the matter of skill comparison in M+, people who don’t do M+ aren’t relevant

[daring marlin]

You didn't try hard enough

smh my helmet

[waxen frigate]

It’s like saying TFT only players should be included in league statistics

[dusky canopy]

@daring marlin bro I was helping my buddy do his 13 uld key yesterday and I so happen to have a 22 and out of habit when I did the count down I put my 22 in… needless to say the 1100 BDK/MW combo were uhh.. in for a beating lol..

[proper roost]

holy toxic

wtf

[crude notch]

Yeah just like people who don't do ranked aren't relevant in league

[south zealot]

i was on an insane winstreak the entire time i just couldnt stay connected to champion select

[proper roost]

did u time it

[daring marlin]

oh lord

Choco you strike me as a solo laner or jungler

100%

[waxen frigate]

I’d say M+ is effectively its own game in this context

[dusky canopy]

We actually made it to bromach but then I realized it was my 22 and we insta wiped like 20 seconds in

[crude notch]

For sure, ye

[strong forum]

normal game enjoyer here

[daring marlin]

Choco is the zoomer Riven that rolls outta top lane after solo killing his enemy and 1v5ing the enemy team

[south zealot]

i actually was support

[strong forum]

[dusky canopy]

Oh btw jungle is the most fun roll

[south zealot]

heartsteel sunfire cape thresh support

[daring marlin]

thresh

you disgust me

[dusky canopy]

I always focus on ganking as jungle

[proper roost]

i'm learning hpally rn we have keys to spam soon @daring marlin

[dusky canopy]

It is so much fun

[south zealot]

[south zealot]

holy kanga going for r1

[daring marlin]

@strong forum bro back before S1 me and my friends were so shit

It was awesome

[proper roost]

i have class trinket and rashoks

its lit

[daring marlin]

I was getting bodied one game by a kat as sion

I raged so hard LUL

Then me and my buddy would do dumb shit like alistar/blitz

[waxen frigate]

Kanga could never heal a 20 hoi fortified

[south zealot]

[waxen frigate]

(It’s impossible)

[strong forum]

ive destroyed both my armrests cuz of rage

[daring marlin]

yoink 'em, stun and knock into tower

[proper roost]

hey uhh where tf do i get drake crests from

[strong forum]

not a fun thing

[waxen frigate]

From Josh

[jagged pier]

sell them

[daring marlin]

5-10 keys?

[proper roost]

ok not 5-10 keys

[south zealot]

quitting league has made me noticably less angry

[jagged pier]

oh where

just do anything

[waxen frigate]

Mood

[crude notch]

Any og AP Trist mains?

[waxen frigate]

I quit dota and now I never get heated in competitive games

[jagged pier]

u get them from rares in the cavern i think

[daring marlin]

Unfortunately have to agree

[waxen frigate]

I just get sad

[strong forum]

cringe

[proper roost]

damn that sucks

[crude notch]

[daring marlin]

AP Sion>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Though I love rework Sion

[crude notch]

AP Yi

that's where it was at

[daring marlin]

Dude is the epitome of frothing berserker

[south zealot]

i mained ap gragas for like 10 years

then i played thresh

then i quit

[daring marlin]

I played a bunch of AP Gragas cuz of Shushei

what a trip

[strong forum]

shushei

best man

[south zealot]

holy that name is so old

[daring marlin]

dude was the absolute goat

[lusty grotto]

im an Arcane main

[south zealot]

i didnt even play when he was a gamer

[lusty grotto]

i still dont know if any of you mains are in it

[strong forum]

idk, havent watched arcane

[daring marlin]

bro I remember going into my local gamestop looking for rp cards

[lusty grotto]

any of you a joker girl main?

[daring marlin]

dude at the counter was like wtf is league?

What a buffoon...

[lusty grotto]

what about thicc sister of joker girl mains?

[strong forum]

ive mained shyvana, tryndamere, kassadin, hecarim, twitch, shen and x...xen? what was that ninjas name

[daring marlin]

You should! It's quite good!

HecaWIN more like

[crude notch]

any lifesteal rune gamers?

[lusty grotto]

wait wait wait

Shen?

[daring marlin]

Mordekaiser is my one true love

[lusty grotto]

is Chen in League?!

[daring marlin]

Garen too idgaf

[strong forum]

Shen

big lane bully

with infinite life regen

[crude notch]

I've been spamming Mordekaiser so much lately.

[lusty grotto]

is he like Chen?

[strong forum]

idk who chen is

[daring marlin]

I was jungling morde before it was cool

after his rework

[crude notch]

Old Swain > New Swain btw

[daring marlin]

then continued to do so because morde

I like new swain except for his dogass root

fuck his E

[jagged pier]

well for dota players there are 2 chens there is a the chen character and then theres brewmaster that used to be chen stormstouts char model back in dota

[daring marlin]

downgrade in every way

[chilly brook]

Shen is giga based

[lusty grotto]

yes yes

[daring marlin]

delete fiora

[crude notch]

shen before rework tho

[strong forum]

also destroyed on singed

[daring marlin]

mix mix swirl mix

[crude notch]

Warwick was probably my first main

[strong forum]

just kite the enemy towards their own base and kill em

[daring marlin]

You better have spammed laugh

[strong forum]

while they try to get to safety

[daring marlin]

his laugh is the best shit

[lusty grotto]

i guess ill retire from chat for the time being 😢

[crude notch]

One season I decided to be toxic af and climb with Malzahar. Talk about boring climb

[strong forum]

i think thats when i quit league

when malz became OP

s3 or smth

[chilly brook]

I miss R6 Siege man

[strong forum]

i miss dopamine

[jagged pier]

[crude notch]

[lusty grotto]

you gonna try The Finals ?

i want it

[daring marlin]

I get dopamine hits daily

[chilly brook]

Yes absolutely

[lusty grotto]

hope it doesnt suck

[daring marlin]

From the gym

[chilly brook]

It looks like Bad Company 2 meets Battle Royale

[daring marlin]

the game...not so much

[jagged pier]

i dont get any when i exercise

[lusty grotto]

yeeee

[daring marlin]

I've heard that from people and that fuckin' sucks dude

including my bf, he gets nothing from it

[jagged pier]

it makes doing exercise even harder

i literally do it because its good for me

but i just get tired then want to sleep

[daring marlin]

[strong forum]

most dopamine i get is when i play sports games against others

irl pvp

[jagged pier]

[opaque oriole]

So I don’t really feel like playing guardian, is it really that much better than prot?

[chilly brook]

No

[jagged pier]

yes and no

[strong forum]

^

[opaque oriole]

I feel pretty tanky and my damage output feel pretty good

[chilly brook]

Are you doing top level keys?

Like 28s?

[opaque oriole]

Nowhere near

[chilly brook]

Then no

[opaque oriole]

I do 22s on my healer

[chilly brook]

It doesn’t matter what you play

[strong forum]

bear provides alot of things that the meta comp doesnt provide, like mark knockback incap roar roots and group healing

[crude notch]

Bear is better because you get to be a mf'ing bear

There

[opaque oriole]

Bear is cool

But

[jagged pier]

well theres alot of ppl without wearbear

which makes me sad

[strong forum]

but every single tank is capable of doing the highest keys, bear just makes it alot easier for your group

[opaque oriole]

Warr is cooler

[crude notch]

Werebear is not bear

[strong forum]

if youre just a for fun gamer who doesnt push 28s+

[crude notch]

don't at me

[lusty grotto]

how dare you jordan

[strong forum]

then just play whatever is more fun

[opaque oriole]

I main mistweaver anyway😊

[crude notch]

Werebear looks like Guilford, no leg day

[lusty grotto]

nimchippy the lvl 61 polar werebear is offended

61 since week 2 of the expansion loooooooooool

[crude notch]

BoP bears are where it's at

[opaque oriole]

But healing is not fun in S2 and warr is pretty boss

[proper roost]

healing is not fun in s2

Hmm yes

a take

take haver

one who takes

[daring marlin]

I'll have you know I've been hard focusing on my legs lately tyvm

[crude notch]

lmao

[daring marlin]

Especially calves cuz they're annoying to grow

[crude notch]

it's okay all i have are my legs

[proper roost]

divine toll is so fucking cool

why cant every class capstone be divine toll

[daring marlin]

yup

[crude notch]

dude hpal kit is so goated rn

[daring marlin]

well because they made spear garbage dude

Now 40s spear? yes

[crude notch]

They need to give ppal Righteous Judgment

[proper roost]

i don't like rotational spear

either

elysian might sucks

Idk how they could change spear to not be cringe

probably just remove the dot entirely idk

[crude notch]

Aftershock

[proper roost]

But then it's just dumb Ursol's

[daring marlin]

I'd rather have AA over this dogass Spear they gave us

both 1.5m

[opaque oriole]

Make execute like R2-execute from LotR on PS2

[crude notch]

well then

[strong forum]

gib fury execute

and gib sweeping strikes

thanks

[daring marlin]

SS on SS

[south zealot]

HOLY MAN

why do shaodw priests refuse to interrupt

[strong forum]

cuz they can legit talent out of it

[south zealot]

since its 45 seconds they just refuse to ever press it

[strong forum]

maybe hes not running it at all

some do that

[daring marlin]

make the hpal kick

[south zealot]

nah it was talented only used once in 12 minutes

[daring marlin]

sick

what a hero

[strong forum]

average ranged dps player

[daring marlin]

fr

[crude notch]

But did you time?

[south zealot]

in a brackenhide where theres like 3 mobs that can be kicked every pull

no man people got gunned the fuck down on the first boss lol

[chilly brook]

@strong forum lmfao dude what did they do to D4?

https://youtu.be/dwbwiFml0NI

Barbarian is just dead

[crude notch]

Is it though

🚬

[strong forum]

they pretty much nerfed everyone

patch looking real weak ngl

[crude notch]

did i read right that they nerfed power leveling strats too?

[strong forum]

yes

[chilly brook]

The uhhh disparity looks rather large

[strong forum]

they killed boosting

it was even larger before

[daring marlin]

hota was propped up by a bug

[chilly brook]

Like barb actually several league behind

[strong forum]

necro could 1shot the boss

[daring marlin]

It'll be absolute trash

[strong forum]

mage could 1 shot the boss

[south zealot]

any na's last hope believers for tgp

[strong forum]

rogue got buffed

barb got bug fixed and a bit nerfed

[daring marlin]

barb is genuinely terrible