way harder lol
#protection
daring marlin
tazavesh last boss was leaps and bounds harder than anything in dawn
hardest stuff in dawn is the trash
rustic tinsel
Last boss of dawn on prot warrior though 
Had to turn my brain back on for that boss, rest was ezpz though
daring marlin
but how many wipes tho
sick sentinel
only 2, i quit early
sick sentinel
i can't contend with time lords
round pendant
I insta died to second boss
just went again knowing what to expect and killed it
ez
don't be a quitter yogi
No one in my group except the guy who barely spoke English knew what to do
and we cleared the dungeon about 1.5-2 hours
toxic pewter
wow that is bad ass
crude notch
daring marlin
You can stand in brown the whole time if you want to
Be sure to dodge second cone
It's the only dangerous thing to you
hazy bronze
strong forum
maiden ravine
so the only talent change that happened for m+ was giving up tough as nails/spell block for the last stand cdr?
modern gazelle
any ret pally gamers in here? friend plays ret and is trying to get better at it, but his ret disc isnt being as helpful as people here usually are
lusty grotto
so the only talent change that happened for m+ was giving up tough as nails/spel...
and ITF
because bolster
maiden ravine
oh snap, I love ITF. GIMME HASTE
this is gonna be a hard tier set to give up in s3 eh?
lusty grotto
kind of
daring marlin
doubt
lusty grotto
bolster goes when 2pc goes
but
haste levels are gonna be high so it might make up for it
also depends on what the next tier set is gonna do
crude notch
We gonna be hitting some juicy DRs next tier
vale escarp
How high do you think haste will be with next Tier? 55% unbuffed?
lusty grotto
uhh no
waxen frigate
Well considering our next tier set has a stacking haste buff up to 20%, a lot
lusty grotto
maybe with 5x ITF
maiden ravine
can't be any crazier than avoker being in the 30% dr and still wanting more mastery
vale escarp
maybe with 5x ITF
Im at 58 with ITF now
lusty grotto
so i dont think 55% unbuffed (without ITF) is attainable, that's absurd
you are buffed
ITF is a buff
waxen frigate
Also remember that 3 of the 5 tier pieces next tier are haste heavy, and the others have small haste
lusty grotto
its literally displayed in your buffs
crude notch
what is going on
sick sentinel
turns out im just dumb
maiden ravine
how do you guys have an idea about next tier? Is it in the datamines for 10.1.7?
sullen gust
Wait do we know what our next tier will look like or something?
daring marlin
turns out im just dumb
good job DON'T QUIT
waxen frigate
waxen frigate
Hehe it says butt
crude notch
My head hurts
lusty grotto
yes butts everywhere
crude notch
I lost IQ from that convo
lusty grotto
that's the convo
lusty grotto
as you should
waxen frigate
Anyway yeah next tierโs set looks insane. 5% haste for 10sec on shield slam for 2pc, then the ravager interaction on 4pc sheesh
daring marlin
crude notch
yeah because it makes you look dumb
"If you ignore the part where I look dumb, I'm smart"
crude notch
Anyway yeah next tierโs set looks insane. 5% haste for 10sec on shield slam for ...
L
lusty grotto
the idea was that i was assuming hes was going off on ITF numbers
sullen gust
Anyway yeah next tierโs set looks insane. 5% haste for 10sec on shield slam for ...
Where can I see that my dude?
lusty grotto
but he also said unbuffed
daring marlin
Where can I see that my dude?
HE'S FUCKING AROUND LOL
waxen frigate
lusty grotto
daring marlin
Reject the bait
waxen frigate
crude notch
I stg
sullen gust
https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-a...
Confirmed
crude notch
but he also said unbuffed
you're ignoring what you said yourself.
waxen frigate
Gonna go into every tankcord now and just rip a random post about how cool next tier set looks
And make up some bullshit effect
warm plinth
You're gonna get banned from a lot of them doing that shit lol
lusty grotto
lol
daring marlin
They all love DnD.
waxen frigate
You're gonna get banned from a lot of them doing that shit lol
This is the only class discord Iโve ever been banned from
crude notch
๐
warm plinth
Why are you not banned here now?
waxen frigate
I got unbanned
waxen frigate
vale escarp
So unbuffed I got 48% haste now, is 55% really that unthinkable?
warm plinth
You do not have 48% unbuffed
daring marlin
You do not have 48% haste unbuffed
warm plinth
It's literally impossible to have 48% unbuffed.
crude notch
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lusty grotto
lmao jordan
warm plinth
Jordan is having a stroke
waxen frigate
crude notch
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warm plinth
I think your keyboard might be broken
waxen frigate
crude notch
i hold down "i" and it somehow presses 4, u, and j sometimes.
waxen frigate
Jordan right now
crude notch
like wtf
lusty grotto
you must take the keyboard to get euthanized sadly
crude notch
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daring marlin
hah
lusty grotto
F
crude notch
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lusty grotto
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toxic pewter
i am apb
crude notch
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hmm f works
warm plinth
Hey at least F works
crude notch
lmao
warm plinth
lmao
daring marlin
meta whore
crude notch
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warm plinth
Have you guys seen the fun new prot pal bug yet?
toxic pewter
if u cant beat them join them
crude notch
this is so funny
toxic pewter
Have you guys seen the fun new prot pal bug yet?
wat bug
daring marlin
Have you guys seen the fun new prot pal bug yet?
eggs plain
lusty grotto
i must be in the know!
daring marlin
I've been elbow deep in bdk
waxen frigate
Ok guys help me cook up a DK tier set troll
warm plinth
Divine Toll hits LITERALLY EVERYTHING
waxen frigate
What about
daring marlin
as in all targets?
waxen frigate
Every 3sec you remain in Death and Decay you gain 2 stacks of bone shield
warm plinth
Like, if I use divine toll in the last boss of Underrot room
It clears every single spore
toxic pewter
lol pulls random shit? wasnt it like that originally then they fixed it
daring marlin
pretty wild
warm plinth
No it doesn't pull random shit
lusty grotto
normal?
warm plinth
It just hits everything you're in combat with
toxic pewter
OHHH
lusty grotto
i swear nimchipadin cleared it since forever
toxic pewter
instead of like 5 or some crap
crude notch
i don't see the bug
warm plinth
It's supposed to be max 25 targets
warm plinth
And that's 5 targets w/ bounces
lusty grotto
working as intended
warm plinth
It throws an individual shield at every target.
vale escarp
How much haste Rating would be 55% ๐
crude notch
oh
daring marlin
@vale escarp link your haste rating
warm plinth
A lot
toxic pewter
pull entire dungeon, throw shields, ???, profit
daring marlin
Post your character
waxen frigate
@proper roost link your 20 hoi heal
toxic pewter
GOD
lusty grotto
yes, son?
vale escarp
Im at work right now and got my Arms Gear (which wants mastery now)
toxic pewter
WHY DID I NOT GET COOL BEAR SKINS IN LEGION AND SHIT
daring marlin
hah
lusty grotto
oh you mean the one nimchippy has?
daring marlin
you freakin' buffoon
toxic pewter
I AM SUCH A FOOL
daring marlin
you dunderhead
crude notch
How much haste Rating would be 55% ๐
More than 9,350. Because that's how much it is not accounting for DRs
daring marlin
nincompoop
lusty grotto
hold up let me log on ole nimchippy
toxic pewter
I WANT
sick sentinel
okay, how do i not get charmed
toxic pewter
THE GOOD ONES U KNOW
daring marlin
knuckledragging buffoon
sick sentinel
something to do with the breatrh
daring marlin
okay, how do i not get charmed
Hot potato boss
warm plinth
How much haste Rating would be 55% ๐
9,758
lusty grotto
good ole nimchippy
daring marlin
Need to trade the debuff with someone until the boss is about to do the cleave
and take it back
crude notch
Nimchippy more like nimCHIMPy
toxic pewter
good ole nimchippy
๐ฎ
lusty grotto
crude notch
๐
warm plinth
Actually a bit more, because 54-55 is another tier of DR
crude notch
yep
vale escarp
And right now we are sitting on like 6.8k haste?
lusty grotto
i have all tank and their offspec mage tower appearances ๐
crude notch
You're not gaining 3k haste in a tier
vale escarp
True wont work unbuffed
toxic pewter
i have all tank and their offspec mage tower appearances ๐
u think they will bring them back
crude notch
And even if you could, you wouldn't want to because of DRs
toxic pewter
i feel bad cuz I appreciate how rare they are but i also want them ๐ฆ
crude notch
Put them on the trading post at the same time as putting trader's coin on the bnet shop
๐ณ
lusty grotto
i dont really care too much lol
toxic pewter
lol
warm plinth
Yeah you would never want to go past ~7100 haste (though technically that's going past the 2nd DR)
lusty grotto
felbear looks good
toxic pewter
i got the balance of power purple and green bear those sorta rare..
toxic pewter
ya felbear cant fail, it is great
daring marlin
BOW
warm plinth
lol
daring marlin
TO MY GREATNESS
vale escarp
TO MY GREATNESS
Lord
toxic pewter
yeah I know ๐ฆ
crude notch
that's racist
warm plinth
D:
lusty grotto
i use polarbear
toxic pewter
the dark gray one is nice too
daring marlin
based nim
lusty grotto
on nimchippy, but nimchippy is only 61
crude notch
as an expert druid leveler
daring marlin
Didn't they add more animations for werebear too?
crude notch
i suggest you get that to 70
crude notch
Didn't they add more animations for werebear too?
yep
warm plinth
Yeah
daring marlin
I should level mine
crude notch
ye
toxic pewter
at least they let us have fel..
lusty grotto
ok i will level nimchippy when they fall off meta
crude notch
i only have fel because I quite legion same time MT came out
lusty grotto
i have decided
crude notch
quit*
sick sentinel
boss 3 defeated
crude notch
poggers
toxic pewter
is white hardest to get or somthin
daring marlin
boss 3 defeated
SEE?
crude notch
we progging
warm plinth
It's from Legion
lusty grotto
nah
daring marlin
JUST DON'T QUIT YOU GOT IT KING
warm plinth
White is just the color I prefer of the OG werebear
toxic pewter
yah the white is really nice
lusty grotto
i mean there's the other 3 colors
daring marlin
๐
crude notch
WHITE POWER!
toxic pewter
and i do not see them often
warm plinth
#cancelled
lusty grotto
crude notch
hello @waxen frigate I'm waiting to see your brew tier set idea for t31
lusty grotto
FBI ON THE FLOOR
crude notch
crude notch
if you ever want to speed run a ban in Trueshot Lodge, just call them sandbaggers in their sims
warm plinth
A lot of specs do dungeon slice
crude notch
is there a list of who does?
warm plinth
Dungeon slice isn't really good for anyone though because it's an unrealistic scenario.
That's my opinion
lusty grotto
sandbagging detected
toxic pewter
all I need now is Vulpera Druids..
crude notch
Alright who's supports it
Because then you just slam the MDT Sim
I know feral does.
I know havoc does
I know rogues do.
warm plinth
Uh, no. But like, outlaw and sub support it, frost mage, havoc, all hunter specs (though they recommend MDT sim), feral
lusty grotto
interesting
warm plinth
But yeah realistically MDT sim is going to be more accurate in all of those
lusty grotto
do they both have Dungeon Slice AND MDT sims?
warm plinth
Everyone has MDT sims
crude notch
raidbots is the real endgame for me
warm plinth
Jordan over here like Damage Simulator 2023 for Windows
crude notch
There are a lot of APLs that do not support MDT sims
warm plinth
True. But you can still sim it :p
lusty grotto
whos gonna take over wowanalizer
warm plinth
He's still active in Peak I think isn't he?
warm plinth
I think wowa is python right?
lusty grotto
@abelito wru
daring marlin
is it my job i have to do something to protect chromie
No
warm plinth
@sullen valve
lusty grotto
abelito come back to us
warm plinth
Save us WoWA daddy
lusty grotto
we need you abelito kenobi
daring marlin
@sick sentinel it's on the healer to heal chromie
warm plinth
A lot of the WoWA dudes bailed when WoWA tried to paywall shit
lusty grotto
OH
this i didnt know
their site is kinda strange now
lots of data but kinda weird to look at
warm plinth
There's only a handful of specs that are actually up to date now
A lot of the ones that are supposedly "maintained" aren't really
crude notch
Abelito in history ๐; The king ๐
Abelito in Math โ: The solution ๐ฐ
Abelito in anatomy ๐: The heart โค๏ธ
Abelito to monks๐: The world ๐
lusty grotto
we were messing around with it for a havoc friend
seems ok for them
just kinda way too much info and not what you need to know
warm plinth
You can generally glean some information from it, but it's definitely not something you can look at without a brain
lusty grotto
you gotta know how to navigate it now instead of "YOU DID THIS WRONG"
crude notch
i know non-bear druids are upkept
sullen valve
I might start doing prot warrior again
warm plinth
pog
crude notch
ABE
warm plinth
crude notch
OMG ILU
lusty grotto
we love you abelito
warm plinth
ABE IS OUR HERO
crude notch
big fan
sullen valve
I have to finish holy paladin first
And probably move
lusty grotto
๐ฎ
warm plinth
Remember the good ole days when Abe would just come in here randomly and be like friendly reminder that WoWA works for pwar
lusty grotto
ye
warm plinth
Pepperidge Farm remembers
crude notch
crude notch
lol yea
sullen valve
Earlier this year I was doing some ignore pain stuff... then realized I messed up and how dumb absorbs are so I rage quit
lusty grotto
lmao
warm plinth
Absorbs are indeed dumb
sullen valve
Probably going to do what I did with holy paladin
Just make a ton of stats and get everything in line
Then update checklist
lusty grotto
crude notch
@proper roost apparently Exploding Keg is starting to cause issues for Brews too https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1874697961
toxic pewter
<@116366605818134530> apparently Exploding Keg is starting to cause issues for ...
what am i looking at
is the exploding keg causing that lag i guess?
sick sentinel
tyr is dead
lusty grotto
god damn it, im so tired of this dumb elvui shit where my portals dont work
warm plinth
god damn it, im so tired of this dumb elvui shit where my portals dont work
Yeah I have an action bar rn with nothing but the portal flyouts on it because they won't work from the spellbook
lusty grotto
you google it and the stupid elvui people keep saying its a taint
warm plinth
The taint; the grundle; the fleshy fun bridge?
lusty grotto
lol
like there are more than 1 addon causing it,
but
they say to turn off taint reports on buggrabber and people have done it and its fucking elvui
pisses me off i have to reload each time
this fucking shit
lusty grotto
thought i had that one
let me delete the shitty one i have i guess
ty
but i do hope elvui fucking fixes its shit instead of ignoring people
hazy bronze
Yeah sry I know it's just a band aid
daring marlin
strange tundra
out of Zandalari troll, high mountan torran, or vulperan, who is the best for prot?
daring marlin
regular tauren
strange tundra
im not going quite that optimal, i like how high mountan look more, so just out of thoes three
sick sentinel
i dont know what you have to do in the mirror image clone version of your self on morchie
daring marlin
i dont know what you have to do in the mirror image clone version of your self o...
throw a cc on it until you can kite it into a trap
Note: Wherever it gets trapped it's there for the rest of the fight so think ahead for your position
sick sentinel
dont get snared for 30 sceonds also
lusty grotto
when you trap them it also does group damage so gotta be careful
daring marlin
Like it won't spawn on you again
daring marlin
Good shit bro
warm plinth
out of Zandalari troll, high mountan torran, or vulperan, who is the best for pr...
Vulpera probably. Nose for Trouble is stronk in keys
But it really doesn't matter in the end. Play your favorite.
sick sentinel
fair elm
any advice for tanking last boss of the new mega dungeon? I'm getting fucking reck
rekt**
sick sentinel
just 1 more boss to go
fair elm
just 1 more boss to go
good luck -- it kinda sucks to tank
sick sentinel
we just killed the 2 maruader 1 slayer pack
lusty grotto
or bump it idk
doubt it makes any difference but at least we're trying
been thinking we should repost the BSV shit but idk
daring marlin
I'm struggling to stay alive at 430 item level.
Just be a 435 bdk and solo the last 10% 
sick sentinel
we are wiping on final boss as well
sick sentinel
we are dying to the portals
soon as they come up i take a bunch of damage
we cant reflect the breath right
someone asking
sick sentinel
yeah, im looking up information how to beat it, but it seems rough i straight up hit wall on last pull and like instantly died to dot
2.8 million breath dmg aparently
daring marlin
out of how many breaths tho
sick sentinel
i donlt know how i can see that number
sick sentinel
12%
Im equipping the absorb trinket from lair
but i mismanageed it which problaby made us wipe
daring marlin
It's honestly hilarious to look at the difference between sense, my pally and my dk
damage taken wise from temporal breath
warm plinth
Yeah it needs to be tuned down I'd imagine. Idk how close together they are but if spell block can't get 2 (and made to work ofc), then it needs to be nerfed.
daring marlin
Certainly looks like spell block worked
He took zero damage from a breath
His damage taken from the breaths was only slightly higher than my paladin overall
like on average
sick sentinel
i dunno fi im gunna be able to get him
weary aspen
n
daring marlin
granted he was for sure playing way better than I was
Certainly seems like spell block is working for him
unless it was changed since tuesday
๐คทโโ๏ธ
warm plinth
Where are you seeing that he took zero damage from a breath?
round pendant
I used def stance a few times against the breath
shit just hurts like hell
got external'd a couple times too
daring marlin
Where are you seeing that he took zero damage from a breath?
2:25 into their kill
warm plinth
whose kill? Did I miss a video or a link or something?
daring marlin
warm plinth
Ah okay. Yeah uh...why is it doing such a massive hit that close together lol
literally 7 seconds from the end of the previous dot to the next breath. Fucking yikes
sick sentinel
is it if we kill all the adds in phase 2 we kill him
round pendant
I couldn't even tell what was hurting me in that fight
there was no debuff or anything I was just taking a shit ton of damage
warm plinth
It's legit all temporal breath
toxic pewter
just gotta rotate defensives as well as you can
round pendant
interesting, his fight was 1 minute shorter than mine but he took 10.95m damage whereas I took 11.17m
from breath
wait nvm I accidentally selected a portion
bro it hurts so bad
round pendant
I failed to mitigate the hits a couple of times
daring marlin
pally was an 8 min kill cuz me and healer had to do last 20% duo
dk was around 6 min and did last 10% solo
round pendant
pwar just stinks against dots
still feels overtuned tho
dk probably enjoys that fight lmao
daring marlin
dk can survive double orbs touching down
toxic pewter
my druid apparently
round pendant
I might level a druid since they're so busted rn
cinder nova
@strong forum I remember asking you about making sure the SR doesn't fuck up the changes to where the text is positioned on my screen
But I forget what you told me to uncheck when updating
proper roost
<@116366605818134530> apparently Exploding Keg is starting to cause issues for ...
yeah, this is exactly it
2s is more than I was actually thinking, I ran a couple more keys and it's like
~1s of hard stutter on my screen
not unplayable stutter but it's noticeable like HRKKK
proper roost
<@116366605818134530> link your 20 hoi heal
i think i don't have hoi 20 fort healed on my rsham actually it's like the only 20 i don't have
Not even a difficulty thing just haven't done it
sick sentinel
we still on him
lusty grotto
hoi ez
proper roost
<@116366605818134530> link your 20 hoi heal
ya ๐คช just have really inconsistent keys on my rsham cuz I pushed for like 2 days and then got obsessed with alts lol
lusty grotto
you can wipe twice i without shortcut and you still time it
i swear to god that timer is long as hell
proper roost
it is
but i was telling nish
a while ago
that he shouldn't flame his healer for being bad at HOI fort trash
because that first ring of trash is really hard, tons of group damage
lusty grotto
uldaman is starting to piss me off
proper roost
and i challenged him to heal hoi fort lol
daring marlin
lusty grotto
im no longer scared, just pissed
daring marlin
These are amazing btw
lusty grotto
lmao
proper roost
people 4 dps brackenhide tyr!!
like the whole ass key!!
Hmph
Anyway I don't approve of flaming healers in keys this season
sure 99% of them suck but
they're learning!! chill!!
round pendant
I flame cocky dps players doing 70k dps while shitting on the augvoker for doing 30k
proper roost
its the hardest healing season prob ever
round pendant
no one else deserves flaming cause flaming is cringe
daring marlin
they're learning!! chill!!
Of course they're learning
healers have been carried every other season for years
first hard season for healers and oops
spaghetti everywhere
toxic pewter
healers having a good time right now
they dont even gotta do shit
tanks never die
aug just helps everyone
proper roost
thing is so much stuff has been nerfed I feel like it's not too hard to heal now
but idk
toxic pewter
yeah healers are living it up right now
honestly not sure what healers even do now that I think about it.. 
only matter of time before we see tank, 3dps, aug
surprised its not meta already tbh ๐ค
sick sentinel
time lord too strong
daring marlin
@lusty grotto how do you like this CS garbage?
kind urchin
Main thing that irritates me this season is people blasting things before I even finish pulling. Especially when we discuss said pull before the key even starts.
lusty grotto
<@131897531251556352> how do you like this CS garbage?
i got used to it
round pendant
CS garbage?
lusty grotto
crusading strikes
waxen frigate
methinks some specs may be overtuned
sick sentinel
i found out how to make final boss easy for us
proper roost
hell yeah yogi grats
ok now did you enjoy the megadungeon
tell us your thoughts on it
Please don't say it sucked i will be sad
sick sentinel
i did it the hard and dumb way, but the smart way, for pwar is to turn on d-stance before breath, and then, reflect/? (i was doing 437 lair talisman) and then on second one you do wall and last stand, you use your IV
and you get an external if you need it, like sac from paladin
toxic pewter
nice
sick sentinel
one of the best dungeons they did in a very long time
sick sentinel
but they could cut out fthe flying through the clocks after the first time you see it
round pendant
good job yogi
sick sentinel
thats my only legitimate gripe with the dungeon
proper roost
holy fuck based yogi
GOD
DAMN IT
every day my trust in yogi grows more rock solid
ok now we have to do a 20 FH next week
we'll make a mythic raider out of yogi yet
toxic pewter
dang wtf those 2 dps doing though you did more dam than 2 of them
one guy literally did 18k dps
wat
toxic pewter
dev
sick sentinel
this was the loot i got
proper roost
ok I suck with evoker icons lol
daring marlin
oh good
toxic pewter
i got dps trinket off 2nd boss on my bear
proper roost
well it might be good for yogi actually because I think his trinkets might be bad
chilly brook
or is that guy devastation
Dev icon
sick sentinel
its another pepega trinket
daring marlin
yogi can be the HASTE LORD AS WELL
sick sentinel
but, hey, its mainstat
daring marlin
1 kill was echo
daring marlin
doing a fresh heroic
sick sentinel
i love sonic
proper roost
and you can at least get coins
sick sentinel
well, love is a strong word
chilly rover
Wanted to share some infor in regard to Deios: When he starts casting breath, you can max range heroic leap behind you and it puts you out of breath range, and you can charge back in. You can completely negate every other breath
proper roost
Wanted to share some infor in regard to Deios: When he starts casting breath, yo...
can u do every one if you have bounding stride
chilly rover
Not quite
proper roost
or is every other with bounding stride
chilly rover
Every other with bounding
proper roost
That's pretty good
warm plinth
Wanted to share some infor in regard to Deios: When he starts casting breath, yo...
I'll negate your breath, if you know what I mean
chilly rover
its just fast enough to not fit 30s cd
proper roost
Does he not move while he breathes
chilly rover
He stands perfectly still
chilly rover
Found it completely by accident literally 4 minutes ago lol
chilly rover
And for my learnings: got a mirror
daring marlin
dn
warm plinth
Crellec not even responding to my homoerotic comment smh my head
chilly rover
Crellec not even responding to my homoerotic comment smh my head
Gotta let a man finish before he can properly type a response
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG_GnjntufY went through a mini this on that dungeon today
and, yeah, that game is as hard as balls still 35 years on
toxic pewter
is it possible to buy the tier 3 set with gold or anyone know
proper roost
yes that's the only way realistically now
it's like 2.8m+ of raw gold in cloth per piece afaik
or some bullshit like that
toxic pewter
i see
proper roost
or luck out if it shows up on BMAH
sick sentinel
oh, my bad, thats the fully japanese version, tldr its "no sleep until clear" which is how i play games sometimes
sullen valve
(Just double checking)
sick sentinel
the guy simply doesn't want to stop before he beats the game, but he thinks he cant
sullen valve
No. I mean shield charge. It doesn't appear to trigger the GCD
But if it does then UI for game sucks
(not shocking)
proper roost
hmm
i'm confused at what you mean
the actionbar system clearly shows it as being on gcd
toxic pewter
If you are not in melee range, it does not trigger gcd
sullen valve
Even when at max distance it doesn't show a GCD being triggered
Like it does a sub 10 millisecond you can't do anything but it isn't a GCD
sick sentinel
who is the mirror trinket best for if i am to get it again
sick sentinel
imagine it makes augs cast buffs lol
proper roost
evoker i think? the effect doesn't actually do shit right now
the non stat effect
It like does way less dmg than it's supposed to or something
i only know, it's really good for unholy DKs
sick sentinel
like, literal, just give it 2 abilities for each spec and then it can also do melee
proper roost
but i don't think it's particularly good for anyone else
other than as a 441 trinket if they have a much lower ilvl trinket
sick sentinel
for heal it does 1, absorb thing, 2, some small heal, for caster casts some twin bolt spells, tank ????
it shouldnt be powerful at any rate but it should at least do something
sullen valve
Is shield block's base CD 16.5 seconds
(sadly my warrior is gnome so it has passive haste)
waxen frigate
Is shield block's base CD 16.5 seconds
(sadly my warrior is gnome so it has pass...
What the
Why is abe here
sullen valve
Shut up Nish
Just answer the question
sullen valve
Well... I have 3% haste and its 16
which 16 * 1.03 = 16.48
So I assume its 16.5 BUT I shouldn't assume so I'm askin
urban portal
yeah it has to be 16.5 then
sullen valve
lit
sullen valve
I'll wait for Mwahi to tell me I'm dumb
daring marlin
I think it's just 16
sullen valve
and I can't find a cringe aura mod to increase it either
why is my 3% haste not effecting it then?
daring marlin
idk same for me tho
daring marlin
I.E. naked my sheet says 2% haste and it's 16
warm plinth
Well... I have 3% haste and its 16
which 16 * 1.03 = 16.48
So I assume its 16.5...
That's not correct. CDR from haste is CD/(1+haste). So 16 sec CD w/ 3% haste would be 16/(1+.03) = 15.53 seconds
sullen valve
I'm going from hasted to non-hasted
urban portal
^
daring marlin
put on a weapon with 240 haste, goes to 3% and 15s cd
urban portal
exactly
warm plinth
Where are you looking at the CD?
sullen valve
Guilford I guess that begs the question, since shield block is a double digit CD does it not show decimals until its below n seconds?
warm plinth
Because 15.53 x 1.03 = 16 should be correct.
warm plinth
I guess that's possible
daring marlin
prolly that
warm plinth
Blizzard tooltips are flawless ofc
sullen valve
you right
Square that
sullen valve
You'd need a lot of haste
warm plinth
Well you just need enough for it to be 15 seconds or below right
urban portal
need a lust yeah
sullen valve
like 60% to get to 10 second CD
warm plinth
For it to change
sullen valve
We have seen it change to 15
just not having decimals is cringe
so like maybe its a rule of the game I didn't realize
only spells below 10 seconds have decimals
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sick sentinel
Is shield block's base CD 16.5 seconds
(sadly my warrior is gnome so it has pass...
gnome warrior
proper roost
sullen valve
do you know what it is in the sim data
simc had 16
Which i totally didn't just check after you brought it up
daring marlin
gnome warrior
LMAO
sullen valve
JUST SAYING HERE
GNOMES > ALL OTHER RACES
sullen valve
based
sick sentinel
their racial is just a portion of our avatar
sick parcel
JUST SAYING HERE
GNOMES > ALL OTHER RACES
proper roost
avatar is a portion of gnomes
sullen valve
Escape artist is just a portion of a lot of abilities
sick sentinel
i have never once rolled a gnome except for mage or warlock and even then it didnt last long
sullen valve
Also sorry for all the really dumb simple questions
I'm verifying what wowA has for spell info (its manual for good reasons) so when I start really going at it, everything is just there
sick sentinel
i dunno wtf a wowA is
warm plinth
WoW Analyzer
It's basically a tool where you plug in a log and it tells you what you are doing wrong in terms of not using CDs on CD, wasting procs, that sort of shit
But currently a lot of specs aren't supported/maintained on there, including ours (for now)
sullen valve
It also can give a lot of statistics you couldn't keep easily get from logs
It doesn't help I just stopped playing wow + doing wowA for like a year
daring marlin
proper roost
sullen valve
that looks like dead 0 haste
number ain't even green
daring marlin
ye
proper roost
i think tanknotes suffered the same fate
sullen valve
I also went overboard last time with doing like 4 specs
and the less specs (resto druid + holy paladin) suffered
I just didn't do a good job with them
warm plinth
As long as there aren't any major changes to the spec, I would imagine it'd be fairly simple to maintain. But a lot has changed in a year for every spec.
sullen valve
But now
We gonna stick to two, holy paladin and protection warrior
sullen valve
That makes it a bit easier... but also a million talents
warm plinth
yeah haha
sullen valve
The issue is you go from I've got everything working to Let me make cool new stuff
proper roost
well tbf at the end of the day most people just need to be told their CPM for priority abilities (or in general) or uptime is bad
sullen valve
like the big hit graph was cool
But now super out of date
proper roost
so it does that part pretty well iirc
warm plinth
Yeah that's what I've always used wowa for. Am I pressing this button? Am I wasting this CD?
proper roost
it'd be cool if that kind of stuff was built into WCL but maintaining it would be a nightmare
sullen valve
Maybe tanking is more... direct (?) than healing
Where you don't have a lot of value hidden away in stats you can't easily get from wcl
and remember
Everyone who works on wowA does it for free
proper roost
i'd say so, wrt healing having more nuanced fail states
for tanking, aside from the basic CPM stuff, causes of death are fairly easy to narrow down for the most part
like 99% of the time it's just "you didn't have cds/AM/didn't get enough healing for this mechanic"
sullen valve
Well, either way I want to get the big hit graph back in a good state with more info
Since I've become a better developer since I made that last time
warm plinth
How bad is the CDR stuff on wowA Abe?
Like figuring out how much CDR you get on Avatar
sullen valve
Kihra already owns wowA
sullen valve
Like figuring out how much CDR you get on Avatar
Like how painful is it for me to write that?
warm plinth
Yeah like uh...in terms of "you wasted this many Avatars"; how much of a pain is it to figure out how many you should have considering we get CDR on it
Or to write it, whichever
warm plinth
Mostly asking because I would love the outlaw one to be updated solely because it's hard to know how many times you should cast X since there are so many variables.
And like everything outlaw has has CDR on it
urban portal
outlaw one should be much easier
sullen valve
lowkey
its super easy
Since I can just do
total rage spend / 10 = CDR
90 / (fight duration + CDR) = expected Casts
sullen valve
Ayo thats a good trinket
sullen valve
Great for him
daring marlin
gnome MW that has normal already lmao
warm plinth
oh ok. Good for you
sullen valve
There is no sane reason for a pwarrior to hit slam right
warm plinth
nope
sullen valve
Thank god
warm plinth
nor whirlwind, nor rend
warm plinth
Yeah you can just hide them
They're literally not even on people's bars
well I guess idk. It would know TC is applying rend right
Even if it's hidden
proper roost
legit one healer rolled for it
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTT
sick sentinel
if they made ww a talent in warrior tree we wo7ldnt have to worry about it
sick sentinel
tier 1 main warrior tree talent, middle left to right and row one or two
i dont think all dps specs use ww, even aoe builds, but dont really know
sullen valve
You know wahts wild
I took ww as windwalker
And thought you were memeing them
Shockwave is always utility right? Even if you took sonic boom?
proper roost
Both fury and Arms use whirlwind rotationally, but fury only in aoe
sick sentinel
tbh i dony look at dps meters ever
proper roost
think you would have to check the sim for sonic boom aoe apl (if it exists even?) but i don't think anyone ever takes it
shockwave only does ~30kish damage without cds so a 300% buff is really mediocre still
sullen valve
This is more categorizing the spell than is it used
Which these are my options :kekw:
sick sentinel
the only metric i care about is is this boss/trash dying in a reasonable amount of time or efficiently
sullen valve
Thats what I'm using
sick sentinel
what are those in the picture am curious
sullen valve
What categories I can define a spell as
its mainly for ordering and grouping in other stuff
sick sentinel
its like you are raid assist or something?
sullen valve
At the bottom of wowA you get a list of all yout spells
and they are grouped
Rotational, SPELL (AOE), Cooldown, defensive etc etc
so All I'm doing here is grouping them
sick sentinel
what is wowA
proper roost
ah, you probably wanna change berserker rage to utility; it gives 0 dps benefit anymore
sullen valve
๐ฉ
sick sentinel
im guna look into it
sullen valve
Yeah
proper roost
(now that I just see it on the page lol)
sullen valve
I've redone all of them
proper roost
๐
sullen valve
Kind of floating the idea of Shield Block/Igonre Pain/Bitter Immunity/Demo shout being classified as semi defensives
like they are rotation and defensive buttons... but they are not your major CDs
south zealot
proper roost
blizzard used to call Shield Block/Ignore Pain "active mitigation"
sick sentinel
so ita a cast per minute tracker?
proper roost
demo shout definitely occupies a bit of a stranger spot
warm plinth
IP was never active mitigation. Just Shield Block.
sullen valve
so ita a cast per minute tracker?
Just that part of the website
sick sentinel
ip alone will not save you from many things
warm plinth
We're not talking about that yogi
sick sentinel
oh right wow analyzer
daring marlin
@proper roost
sullen valve
I can do nearly anything in wowA
I could make something that tracks how much IP you get from Fueled by Violence or Brutal Vitality while including overcapping
daring marlin
did it
proper roost
well, I just meant as more of a way to categorize like "rotational" defensives that you should be using very often, like ShoR
i'm aware IP didn't count as AM for AM check abilities
but
it is part of the AM system
since all most (forgot about revenge) tank spenders are basically built into their tankiness, which is what AM was/is
sick sentinel
last time i 7sed that sjhit it told me..., i cwnt remember the other nistake but one of them in this other side i ran was "you didnt sharpening stone your shield"
proper roost
Basically, creating an active mitigation category works well when reusing a template for other tank specs, imo
lusty grotto
Kind of floating the idea of Shield Block/Igonre Pain/Bitter Immunity/Demo shout...
SB at least is good for that, IP should just be tracked on rage management
sullen valve
I gotta classify it somewhat statically
I can change it based on what talents they have
But not how effective they are at using it
Its a very w/e thing
sick sentinel
what i like about wowa is ot shows how many times you casted SC vs how many times you couod have fit it in that run and gives you a visual
lusty grotto
i dont think talents matter except for uptime purposes?
wait
its just uptime tracking basically
and with SB on DF its easy since you expect 100%
95% at the very least in combat
hmm
ok so i misunderstood, youre talking about IP
let me think
lusty grotto
i dont think IP should be tracked at all tbh now that i think about it
maybe if there's resource tracking of some sort put something like "use IP off-global to dump rage" or a tip
but if there isnt i think its best to just leave it out
warm plinth
I think IP tracking would kinda be done indirectly by tracking rage overcapping
lusty grotto
yeah
warm plinth
Since you literally can't prevent overcapping without it
proper roost
why can starless gear not be used to catalyst?
you know what's fucky
the time rift gear can
despite only being veteran
anyway, this dropped and i asked to be on bench
FUCK
literally only need helm + chest 447s and i'
i'm even sitting on a socket item
valid hinge
violet flume
man whats normal dps i should expect from a good player thats 440
i feel like most of the ones i get do 70k
then this paladin pops in and does 130k average
maybe its cause i do +18s~ but i never see anyone above 90k
proper roost
man whats normal dps i should expect from a good player thats 440
highly dependent on key
daring marlin
every baddie is ultrageared
You sound like those anti TF weirdos.
proper roost
yeah i mean
violet flume
anti TF?
proper roost
idk
violet flume
oh thunderforged
daring marlin
titanforge
chilly brook
every baddie is ultrageared
ilvl has never been an indicator of skill ever
proper roost
u dont have much room to complain about bad dpsers if ur not also blasting as tank tho
warm plinth
then this paladin pops in and does 130k average
I'm assuming that's without an aug voker?
violet flume
i mean i dont mind people getting geared its just deceptive at this point haha
without augvoker
chilly brook
there have always been bad players with good gear
proper roost
it's the same though
daring marlin
my man going based on item level has been dumb for the past three expacs
warm plinth
If someone was in that key doing 70k then they're just trolling.
chilly brook
I don't think this season is any different
proper roost
are you playing at the same potential
violet flume
and im doing about 70-80k average but im not doing gigapulls most of the time since im pugging
daring marlin
you should look at what content people do
proper roost
choco literally
only pugs
i don't think he's ever played with a key with anyone else
warm plinth
These are weird takes tbh
proper roost
that he knows
warm plinth
You can recognize someone else doing shitty even if you're not playing perfectly.
chilly brook
and im doing about 70-80k average but im not doing gigapulls most of the time si...
don't have to do giga pulls to do decent damage tbh
proper roost
it's just self defeating tbh like he's not gonna stop seeing bad dps at 20
or 22
or 24
violet flume
well if you pull 1 extra pack every pull it helps do 100k instead of 80k
unless im missing something
chilly brook
eh
violet flume
you talking 100k overall for an entir edungeon kanga?
chilly brook
yes he is
proper roost
yeah choco actually blasts
idk how he does it
zoomer fingers on god
i'm too old and feeble for that shit fr
fingies hurt
chilly brook
maybe its cause i do +18s~ but i never see anyone above 90k
that's a yikes like doing 90k at 420
like yeah I play devoker but like, 90k is low for 440