no not yet
#protection
lusty grotto
nice
south zealot
i cooked up a route but i literally forgot to pull like 3 packs so we had to do all the trash in the last room
LMAO
chilly brook
lusty grotto
we had a mage leaver on 2nd boss of a 24 BH
everyone went HUH?
giga timeable too
guy didnt say anything just left
during the boss
south zealot
maybe hes dying
should i just send a 26 neltharus and wipe immediately
HOLY MAN MY DAMAGE
lusty grotto
yeah he didnt
he just left, there was no chat or anything
NL damage is always sadge
ive been debating going ST build for it
chilly brook
TLDR vers is a bad stat to stack unless you get ungodly amounts of it
I mean it really doesn’t matter lol
It’s just to illustrate the point that vers likely won’t make as much of a difference as people think
south zealot
getting right on that
crude notch
A wise mod from Peak once said
I mentioned this in DK disc a bit ago, but generally speaking the main reason we don't talk about stats defensively is because if you're at the point that your survival is genuinely dependent on your stat distribution, then +1 key level is impossible for you because the difference between stat distributions defensively is an order of magnitude smaller than the +10% per key level.
You're welcome
Have a great day
plush tendon
TLDR vers is a bad stat to stack unless you get ungodly amounts of it
correction! vers is a bad stat.... unless its your highest simming stat for damage
follow the sims
warm plinth
Is that sarcasm
plush tendon
partly
when you have close to no vers and mostly haste/crit, the value of other stats goes up
warm plinth
Vers is not a bad stat though.
It's bad to intentionally stack vers, but it's not a bad stat.
crude notch
Augusto is officially on the list, congrats
plush tendon
warm plinth
What list is that
plush tendon
Don’t know what this list is, but let’s go!
crude notch
plush tendon
Damn, that’s the most ego fueled thing I’ve seen in a while XD
crude notch
How so?
This list was compiled by "the panel" as they were amptly called the other day by someone
plush tendon
The panel? First time I’m hearing of this
crude notch
plush tendon
If this ain’t ego, idk what is
crude notch
I'm glad you're taking this serious, now no more bait posting, please and thank you.
🙂
The bait list is ironic my friend because itself is in fact bait. It's called maymays
crude notch
Welcome to Skyhold?
The title cutoff has gone up 76 points this week. Officially passing the previous largest jump 7 weeks ago (Week 2 => Week 3). 😮
lavish sphinx
So I should change all gems and crafted gear stats to Haste + Crit?
Why is Murlok . io showing tree splinter as the most popular trinket lately?
I thought it was pretty average
warm plinth
Haste/crit is the preferred stat combo, yes
thorny stone
Why is Murlok . io showing tree splinter as the most popular trinket lately?
They also have prot warriors using battle scarred veteran
jagged pier
yer because its based on the top 50 io warriors
that info is garbage
doesnt help anyone
u actually do run BSV in some dungeons when your pushing 27s-28 keys
what a garbage website how is that supposed to help anyone
the top 50 ppl of each spec are playing a different game
strong forum
Sense ran it [BSV] in NL28 cuz first pull is absolutely brutal for us and takes a while to set up
gloomy vortex
we are progressing experiments now, any suggestions for me tanking.. down last boss to 30% so far.. taking quite a bit of damage after 2nd boss joins.. I have opted for spell block to help.
harsh trellis
we are progressing experiments now, any suggestions for me tanking.. down last b...
Spell block will only help you so much during the roars, you have to get out of roars regardless of if the raid leader is all "Why aren't the bosses stacked" when a roar is going off.
tanks take a ton of dmg on that boss
Also, are you waiting to clear your stacks so the raid doesnt get multiple stacks?
strong forum
apply 2 sources of atk speed slow on the bosses
rogue poison/warlock curse/dh icy thingy
2 of those 3 stack with each other
takes away a huge load of tank dmg intake
gloomy vortex
Also, are you waiting to clear your stacks so the raid doesnt get multiple stack...
Yeah we only allowing 1 stack
hardy snow
2 of those 3 stack with each other
Didnt all 3 stack?
jagged pier
they do
but the last one barely does anything
so its doesnt make much of a difference
balmy canyon
I believe it's multpliciative. So 1 reduces it to 80%, the second to 64% and the third 52%
harsh trellis
Do the new Aug evokers have anything like that as well?
crude notch
Yes
ashen coral
Hello, last time I had a discussion about thunderlord as there are a lot in #protection
But this time I have done the sim, with the right criterion this time (one in aoe with 5 foes and one in single target with one foe)
The 2 first screens are with TL and without show of force, the 2 next screens are with show of force and without TL
We still have less dps with TL but it is only 1k less, so 1,5% difference in aoe and 1.23% difference in single target
BUT it does make a difference in term of rage generation and survivability, it's also a win for gameplay as it is easier to use, and you don't have to save demoralizing shout for a big pack because of the possibility to desync your cd since they will be desync anyway
Also for what it's worth, I looked the top prot war players and they do use thunderlord
jagged pier
^
ashen coral
Oh it has been updated sorry
strong forum
the 50% buff to TL made it slightly more attractive and obv provides more defensive benefit over show of force
dusky canopy
Desyncing it from SC sounds beans
strong forum
in previous discussions i just made the blunder of completely forgetting that you can just remove show of force instead of another talent
strong forum
Desyncing it from SC sounds beans
the desync is why its a dps loss
dusky canopy
I guess at a certain key level the added defense is the selling point for the talent
dusky canopy
pretty sure those damn hulks frontal chuncks for like 60% hp at +21
if not more
just spit ballin
ashen coral
Desyncing it from SC sounds beans
But there is the 4p which brings lot of damages and is already desync, so I think that if you can use demo more often, the 4p effect can benefit more to the buff from demo
strong forum
well if it was more dmg sim would say so
ashen coral
well if it was more dmg sim would say so
Not more but closer than if it was not here
1.5% is not a lot
sick sentinel
i gotta send a bunch of plate alts into heroic fire lands, cuz it matches my rag shoulders bleh, at least not limited to 2 warrior farm
missing 2 items, looks okay for now, jsut not 100% happy with it
ashen coral
1.5% is not a lot
It is as if you swapped rage generation, defensive utility and ease in gameplay for only 1.5% dps, it doesn't seem to be worth it in my opinion
hardy snow
If Blazing Slash is a problem in Neltharus, just crit block with spellblock, ez no dmg 
proper roost
1.5% is not a lot
1.5% is a lot for DPS. How much do you think gear upgrades are worth
Do you understand that that would be the equivalent of multiple gear upgrades or a major trinket upgrade
vocal nimbus
Any tip on how to get only one stack when breaking walls in eco?
proper roost
don't break corners
fling as directly as you can and not weirdly perpendicular
You kind of have to try to get more than 1 stack nowadays because of the nerf that happened
so if you're regularly doing so you're doing it very wrong and woulda gotten like 4-5 stacks prenerf
harsh trellis
If your group just works in a clockwise or counter clockwise pattern you should only go through 1 wall per tank
Go through 2 walls and your dps should have him at a transition point typically where you enter the room
hardy snow
also if your groups tactic is that tank breaks wall, no other ppl can break it with their mechanic, as dot will stack too much
harsh trellis
Aug evoker is making keys so much nicer
sick sentinel
seems like a gamble, some groups are amazing, some are shit
harsh trellis
I've had pretty good luck this week. You stack an Aug evoker with a heal pally and that paladins mana bar will not move
proper roost
grats yogi you got this
south zealot
Sense ran it [BSV] in NL28 cuz first pull is absolutely brutal for us and takes ...
Would you also consider taking it for super high neltharus’ as well for the same reason or does spell block serve a similar function
south zealot
pretty sure those damn hulks frontal chuncks for like 60% hp at +21
yeah you essentially need shield wall + dstance active for every single one
sick sentinel
real talk :||"I wouldn't be running a billion freehold 16's if they werent so easy aspects and chance at mount and its in LFD so everyone knows it, it's so easy even I YOGI knows that place inside out and backward"||
shut summit
Would you also consider taking it for super high neltharus’ as well for the same...
nah just spell block
daring marlin
i gotta send a bunch of plate alts into heroic fire lands, cuz it matches my rag...
at least you can just one-shot pretty much everything
shut summit
i had it in the 28 neltharus i did but wasnt necessary at all
strong forum
Would you also consider taking it for super high neltharus’ as well for the same...
neltharus is just 90% chain abuse so yeah sure, dmg doesnt matter there except on bosses
ah ok
sick sentinel
its literal garunteed 99.99% chance NOT to fuck up 16 fh
strong forum
didnt see sense responded
south zealot
alright thanks
daring marlin
I liked neltharus more before chain cheese was common
sick sentinel
and like i said, i need a fuck load of aspects
daring marlin
If you can blitz through the megadungeon it's a pretty decent source of aspects
3 crests for a clear
sick sentinel
still need 8 more aspects for 447 + 4 for equiped
thats minimum 12 not includingif i get myth i can actually equip, gear that is still champ etc
wtf
lyin
3 crests my ass
daring marlin
place is super easy too
sick sentinel
fuuuu
daring marlin
morchie is the only annoying part
toxic pewter
Need to do achievement run
toxic pewter
Ya def do it
sick sentinel
i willed my self into the dungeon if that is the case lmao
proper roost
I mean it's 437 hero loot too
You should do it because you def don't have hero track gear mostly..
but it will actually require you to learn pretty quickly and communicate with your group
so ymmv
daring marlin
Deios gives 10
toxic pewter
May want to watch 1 minute boss guide videos
proper roost
my only thing is
yogi doesn't listen to advice from anyone else but himself
so i worry
daring marlin
Seemed like they designed most of the bosses with m+ in mind
proper roost
when it comes to a new content
proper roost
oh i figured out another thing that really bothers me about current ppal
sick sentinel
probably easier if i create my own group eh
proper roost
ye like if the wog proc just made it off gcd
plush tendon
second boss and morchie might be ass on tyrannical
the last boss murks
proper roost
it'd feel so much smoother
plush tendon
proper roost
not even just in general just wog proc
sick sentinel
its probably better for me to start a dawn group if im fresh right
rather than pug into one?
i have zero idea about what this dungeon is like, didnt read any guides nothin lol
proper roost
i just worry man
yogi after not looking up a single mechanic and going in completely blind and dying: man fuck this new dungeon i hate it, everything is so confusing
sick sentinel
i want to go run that new dungeon, but its still very intimidating for me atm
toxic pewter
It works like a raid with each boss is a separate lockout so you can kill bosses with various groups
First boss just be sure u stand in small circle that appears after big circle
sick sentinel
im not sure if its better to go in blind, or to watch guides first
proper roost
I mean the way you play I don't think you should go in blind because you instantly form weird prejudices against new content you don't understand
and by the nature of going in blind you won't understand it
You've done like one uldaman and you hate it
tropic gorge
I think augvokers are my new favorite class to bring in m+
toxic pewter
Well yeah why wouldn’t you want an op spec around
tropic gorge
Seeing ret pal and fire mage pushing 400k and over is so glorious
I wonder if they are gonna get nerfed
toxic pewter
It’s awful
proper roost
And you hate wasting time and "failing" so going in blind just seems antithetical
to how you like to play wow, yogi
chilly brook
I wonder if they are gonna get nerfed
Probably will just because too many people are mad about them just instantly becoming meta and making already meta specs better
Granted there’s probably room for them to be brought down without actually hurting their viability
tropic gorge
Whatever comes of them, I hope they don't get nerfed badly.
sick sentinel
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/V34Cd16WcmgjRby7/ i dunno if anyone caught it, but this was, 2, technically 3, keys that i ran in a short period of time
toxic pewter
They bring too much utility to also do so much damage in my opinion. It’s awkward as hell
chilly brook
Just imo you’re walking a very fine line with Aug when it comes to talking to tuning
sick sentinel
one of the keys players were too weak or something, trash didnt die fast enough and it all went south fast
chilly brook
You can’t bring them down too much because if you do they start becoming less useful for the general player
dusky canopy
Blizzard really has themselves between a rock and hard place becuase avoker has to be better than bringing a 3rd dps
or no one will bring it
proper roost
delete aug
chilly brook
But they’ll still be worth it for top end
proper roost
🙂
daring marlin
the last boss murks
think so? meh
chilly brook
Blizzard really has themselves between a rock and hard place becuase avoker has ...
Kinda, they also want it to be appealing at all levels of play which means the knock on affect of it being a bit silly at top end play
daring marlin
As long as people kill portal adds asap and not fuck up orbs it's ezpz
tropic gorge
This evening I'll get to have my first raid experience with at least one aug
daring marlin
or no one will bring it
Not entirely true. Augvoker makes tanks tankier and have some pretty sick CC available for dungeons.
tropic gorge
One of our dragon players is gonna run Aug
plush tendon
As long as people kill portal adds asap and not fuck up orbs it's ezpz
the breath frontal gave me booboos
plush tendon
tropic gorge
Bring an Aug to bring shit tons of dmg lol
harsh trellis
Aug evokers are pretty sweet
plush tendon
Aug in general is clutch
harsh trellis
they still have smol arms thou
chilly brook
Which if I’m being honest I truly do think the spec being silly at top end is the best outcome (similar to Max)
sick sentinel
Im going to go try to make progession on this dungeon
harsh trellis
go prog
daring marlin
Of course. They'd still have a spot even if they did slightly less damage than a third DPS imo.
tropic gorge
So last night I upgraded my crafted sword to max. However I forgot totally to move it's buff to shadow flame. I'm using the claw thing that has a chance to add dmg to my ability still.
Did I totally screw myself doing that?
sick sentinel
even if i only kill 2 bosses, its worth it
daring marlin
Maybe not in the tip top of keys which is AOK to me.
plush tendon
So last night I upgraded my crafted sword to max. However I forgot totally to mo...
you can always remove a embellishment
daring marlin
this is speculative considering they're op af right now
plush tendon
and none of the embellishments are make or break
tropic gorge
you can always remove a embellishment
To do that recraft will I need a spark
chilly brook
Of course. They'd still have a spot even if they did slightly less damage than a...
Well the more you go on that end the less useful they’d become to most players imho
plush tendon
To do that recraft will I need a spark
recraft costs are different then first craft costs
daring marlin
what loot spec am i going for this dungeon?
You can swap based on boss.
plush tendon
you wont need a spark if you already have crafted the piece itself
chilly brook
Most players just grab what they think is going to provide the most damage in their key, not really thinking or caring (or more accurately even using) utility
tropic gorge
Excellent. I'll look into that tonight before my guild raid this evening thanks man
dusky canopy
right griff
daring marlin
Few things to note @sick sentinel second boss drops the str/haste trinket
dusky canopy
pugs invite whatever does the most damage becuase they think that gives them the best chance of success
daring marlin
should spec fury for that
Iridikron drops the cheat death trinket for prot
if you want that
dusky canopy
the fact that people consider MD on a bursting week is like above average pug mentality
plush tendon
most importantly, gotta be arms/fury for second to last boss
tropic gorge
Lol this weekend when I made groups I had "list if your Aug" in my groups. Every group I formed had an Aug and all my pugs did really well
sick sentinel
Few things to note <@456226577798135808> second boss drops the str/haste trinket
i have forseen into the future that i will get that trinket today
and become the haste lord
plush tendon
the fact that people consider MD on a bursting week is like above average pug me...
hot take, more classes need MD
tropic gorge
and become the haste lord
All hail the great haste lord yogi
chilly brook
Hot take the only reason people bring MD on bursting week is because Shadow is busted
dusky canopy
I think the closest thing is evoker removing bleeds right?
cant they aoe remove bleeds? or no
am i crazy
plush tendon
they can
tropic gorge
Bursting week is dwarf week.
Well, every week is dwarf week but bursting really highlights how good the dwarf racial can be
chilly brook
its not just bursting
I was just saying that to be silly
dusky canopy
ahh kk
plush tendon
Bursting week is dwarf week.
Well, every week is dwarf week but bursting really ...
god, Im ready to go back from Human to Dwarf
chilly brook
Cleanse of all dispellable debuffs including bleeds on a 1m CD
tropic gorge
god, Im ready to go back from Human to Dwarf
Human for pvp. Dwarf for everything else imo
tropic gorge
If you are hardcore into pvp the human racial isn't worth changing imo
dusky canopy
my only dwarf complaint is the 2h weapons are not big enough
plush tendon
and weapons dont clip
human also sims higher for me
the Human Spirit Racial is actually giga
oh, and people have a hard time seeing my dwarf in keys
plush tendon
100% dwarf shield and sword stance is good
oh, and humans get 10% more rep
kind of big
tropic gorge
If your into that yew
toxic wadi
woww!! I think I'll stick with arms because I'm not a fan of very high apm playstyle. It's also bad for wrists
carpal tunnel
tropic gorge
The ip/ss macro will help your cpm increase by grabbing ss resets faster for you
When I started using it my cpm shot up. Turns out I was slower than I realized on grabbing resets
toxic wadi
What does the "C" mean in cpm?
plush tendon
or carpel (tunnel) per minute
tropic gorge
Lmao
jagged pier
i mean just look after your hands and its fine
tropic gorge
Drink water. Do light stretching and if you have significant gaming sessions take breaks
Ezpz
daring marlin
god, Im ready to go back from Human to Dwarf
You just wanna be a viking again
jagged pier
honestly i also rate compression gloves
daring marlin
which is based
jagged pier
in winter they are great
plush tendon
You just wanna be a viking again
Always
maybe I just need multiple warriors at this point
its the class I choose for heritage armor usually
daring marlin
My left arm hates me after bi/back day
plush tendon
so I got a Dark Iron, A Vulpera, a Void Elf, etc.
daring marlin
cuz I do wrist curls to failure too
tropic gorge
For races. The one factor above all.
Beards. And no race can touch dwarves
daring marlin
so when I play my warrior it's just like "wtf are you doing to me you fuckin' idiot"
tropic gorge
For meta, unless races got normalized dwarves are #2 for str under cows and slightly ahead of orcs
toxic wadi
or carpel (tunnel) per minute
lmao
sick sentinel
boss 1 dead
left basalt
Its not much to brag about, but second season ever doing M+, I didn't even have a single 20 last week.
I may not talk much but just listening to the convos makes me a better play, thank you.
proper roost
Gz
south zealot
congrats boss
daring marlin
Its not much to brag about, but second season ever doing M+, I didn't even have ...
grats bro
big
proper roost
Push king
left basalt
Doing 21's tonight LFG
primal crypt
warrior can do 20?
dusky canopy
Its not much to brag about, but second season ever doing M+, I didn't even have ...
POGGERS bro
ggz
south zealot
warrior can do 20?
surprisingly yes
primal crypt
that's crazy
dusky canopy
you need atleast 39% haste though
primal crypt
proper roost
aug spriest fire mage bear hpal are the ONLY people allowed in keys this week
winged flume
SORRY TO INTERRUPT, where can i find specs if i want to implement BSV? :X thank you
proper roost
if you zone in as any other spec please delete
dusky canopy
SORRY TO INTERRUPT, where can i find specs if i want to implement BSV? :X thank ...
you do not, bsv is bad it doesnt proc correctly
winged flume
it was in a conversation earlier though, for big pulls/higher keys
daring marlin
there are very niche scenarios where bsv is used but that's in big keys
higher keys like
28
daring marlin
I've done like 20 keys on my dk bro
proper roost
zamn he's a blood enjoyer
tropic gorge
I ran 20 uld last night. Didn't have any real problems tanking it
tropic gorge
I'm curious, do people actually think pwar struggles in 20s?
proper roost
no
dusky canopy
yes antinus
daring marlin
yamo was memeing
dusky canopy
daring marlin
gotta keep rotating
also you can just stay in the brown cone
so you can dodge the second cleave he does
sick sentinel
big gold rings came out, can only assume its death
daring marlin
yeah they goofed the ring then
waxen frigate
daring marlin
They wanna be dispelled in the light pie slice so the ring is basically instant
sick sentinel
i dunno that place is hatrd
daring marlin
hope these warriors still think the class trinket is bad
sick sentinel
im gunna have to watch video and attempt again, only second boss and that place is nuts
waxen frigate
Warriors still not understanding that calling themselves “brown” has other connotations 😮
daring marlin
yogi it's mostly just
dusky canopy
wait guil do we like that now?
daring marlin
second and morchi
dusky canopy
class trinket
daring marlin
It procs off dn
arms was talking about it yesterday
something something 30% uptime
sick sentinel
dn omegalul
tropic gorge
What's our class trinket
daring marlin
nelth call to chaos
tropic gorge
Oh I have that. Crit trinket right
tropic gorge
I use it and the grappel
daring marlin
turns out it's not
tropic gorge
Yeah I'm still waiting for it lol
I haven't seen it at all. But I'm also not pugging raids hunting for it
Lfr isn't worth the ilvl and normal while upgraded wouldn't be bad.... I don't really want to do normal for it
Now that I think tho. I'll have to say "a new hand touches the beacon" when I get it
sick sentinel
i dont particularly want to go back to that dungeon, but i guess i will
daring marlin
ohno did you guys call it quits?
sick sentinel
second boss was way too much for me
proper roost
yogi literally wipes once
and gives up
i literally said it
He thinks about going in blind for w/e reason even though he never wants to fail
It's completely ass backwards
sick sentinel
i'll probably come back to it in an hour or 2 after i read some guides and videos
might kill like, 3 more bosess maybe
but second boss annihilated us
and i didnt understand what was happening, so its a net negative
proper roost
wiping a couple times is not being annihilated yogi
prisma phoenix
Are you guys taking about the new mega dungeon?
proper roost
my group wiped like 4-5 times per boss every boss on tuesday
plush tendon
nelth call to chaos
feel like its better then mark or OCE?
its super rare unfort.... and I dont think Ill be able to reclear Mythic Netlh on my Prot War 😦
plush tendon
it was fun to just sort of figure it out
daring marlin
feel like its better then mark or OCE?
prolly a sim question once they fix it
for arms anyway lol
plush tendon
only wiped a handful of times myself in a mostly pug group
sick sentinel
im either gunna have to do that on voice, or after watching like 5 videos n 2 guides
prisma phoenix
New mega dungeon is not too bad, just morchie annoying. If people accidentally get caught in trap
proper roost
I mean idk what guilford's on about, nelth's call is not good for warrior
it's like o k for prot
plush tendon
and, if I really didnt get something.... Quazzi is the king of 1 min boss guide vids
daring marlin
kanga
sick sentinel
i gotta get my stuff together for that dungeon
daring marlin
they were talking about it in arms yesterday you boob
plush tendon
sounds like potential new technology
toxic pewter
also.... what is DN
stands for domain name
sick sentinel
clearly
toxic pewter
its a good trinket
sick sentinel
2 things i didnt understand on the 2nd boss was the targeted thing he does at me
and the rings
but i am also reading a bit
tropic gorge
Chaos iirc is a bis contending trinket for m+
But I also use it in raid
If anyone asks why I say crit to parry lmao
plush tendon
quick glance at bloodmallet shows its right below fully buffed OCEs and Storm Eaters
but seems like a sim question to me to verify
the extra damage taken is kind of though : ^)
ashen coral
1.5% is a lot for DPS. How much do you think gear upgrades are worth
But we are tank, it's only 1~2k, it's no comparable to the other aspects it brings
proper roost
storm eater's, tf are u looking at
proper roost
But we are tank, it's only 1~2k, it's no comparable to the other aspects it brin...
For DPS = your personal DPS, I'm not talking DPS specs.
I'm sorry, you are just way off here
sick sentinel
do i have to get in the light as tank when he does unwind
proper roost
I don't know how to put this to you
plush tendon
storm eater's, tf are u looking at
boon from last tier; its still listed
proper roost
again, 1.5% overall DPS increase is legit multiple gear upgrades
plush tendon
trinket still good in big aoe
sick sentinel
it says decaying time, i think thats what those are
proper roost
If you think that's not big, then upgrading 441s->447s is not big
upgrading lfr to heroic beacon is not big
lol
plush tendon
bruh what
proper roost
cannot w this channel rn guilford just spreading mass disinfo stg
ashen coral
If you think that's not big, then upgrading 441s->447s is not big
It's not the only effect, it also affects the rage generation and the survivability
Whereas here it is 1.5% but you loose rage generation and survivability and you have to save your demoralizing shoot sometimes when it could be useful
plush tendon
proper roost
It's not the only effect, it also affects the rage generation and the survivabil...
ok go take TL 👍
ashen coral
I do
waxen frigate
Have you guys ever eaten alligator
waxen frigate
It does
proper roost
arent u texan
the only alligator meat i can get is frozen and sketchy
Doesn't seem like a good idea
daring marlin
cannot w this channel rn guilford just spreading mass disinfo stg
also what the fuck is this neltharion kill
leader is a troll
proper roost
i hope class trinket drops and you don't win it
daring marlin
thems is fighting words
proper roost
because it sucks
daring marlin
put 'em up tiny
proper roost
waxen frigate
arent u texan
Yes
waxen frigate
We do
proper roost
hm
hey I need to get my pally's +2 up to an 11 how do I do that
should I literally just solo the key
daring marlin
ret wearing sporecloak
waxen frigate
We have the 3rd highest alligator population by state
daring marlin
L ret
waxen frigate
Just do someone else’s key
proper roost
but I want mine to be an 11
proper roost
i'm not sure people will accept a 418 ppal to keys tbh
proper roost
i just invited a bunch of 380 rats to this +2
we're gaming
the hpal is 430
330*
plush tendon
what chads
proper roost
the state of low keys is down bad
tropic gorge
Yea it is
sick sentinel
one of my guild members said they ran a 12 something at 399 ilvl
tropic gorge
You either get a carry group from a 2.2k plus raited player, or the opposite first dungeon run ever
plush tendon
idk what a sub 15 key is like
plush tendon
lil bro is down bad
waxen frigate
idk what a sub 15 key is like
Hell
Imagine literally running a key with the following group members
plush tendon
do you think maybe introducing all affixes later helped or hurt low key groups?
waxen frigate
An infant
A dog
A monkey
A literal rock
plush tendon
cause it feels like they did that change to propel people out of those key levels asap
waxen frigate
Which personally I’m really against
south zealot
lil bro is down bad
waxen frigate
What’s the point of the key levels if they’re all dogshit and meaningless
You don’t learn anything doing a +6 vs a +2
sick sentinel
yeah, but key difficulty is like, going to bottom of ocean, ocean presure
tropic gorge
So the community did good work spreading info about Aug spec
It spread really fast that their low dps on meters is kinda ok
sick sentinel
deeper you go the more the pressure becomes and it is multiply rather than add pressure
daring marlin
kanga
last night bull was pogging cuz on iridikron he was able to just spam MS on CD during the burn phase
cuz we had so much haste
waxen frigate
the dungeon layout
The dungeon layout doesn’t change?
daring marlin
I'm saying you're just getting reps in to learn the dungeon
tropic gorge
You don’t learn anything doing a +6 vs a +2
Imo, I think the lower keys for newer players can help some realize that mythic dungeons can be punishing and mechanics can't be ignored
narrow sorrel
omg, I've been using spell reflect on morchie all this time thinking it was magical haha i'm dumb.
kind urchin
Not for rats. They can craft 408 with enchanted whelp to get rid of those 360's.
waxen frigate
Not for rats. They can craft 408 with enchanted whelp to get rid of those 360's...
You can buy 378s and upgrade them to 398 without crests at all
They’re definitely useless for alts
plush tendon
What’s the point of the key levels if they’re all dogshit and meaningless
in my opinion, the rate at which keys get harder should increase
and just lower the requirements for max rewards from vault
waxen frigate
in my opinion, the rate at which keys get harder should increase
I think making 20s vault keys was a mistake
plush tendon
theres no reason why 10s couldnt be max rewards, assuming that the difficulty is the same
narrow sorrel
any advice for tanking Deios from Dawn of the infinite? Temporal breath just destroys me.
plush tendon
just reduce the key levels you can jump
proper roost
get external healing
waxen frigate
just reduce the key levels you can jump
Agreed
proper roost
take spell block (it won't make a big difference)
waxen frigate
Just squish it a bit
jagged pier
I think making 20s vault keys was a mistake
its 16 now
waxen frigate
🤓
plush tendon
I still do 20s for weekly vaults on geared toons and alts
jagged pier
and i dont think 20s were and issue,
plush tendon
I dont run enough keys on them to have overflowing aspects
jagged pier
espically as 16s still gave mythic lvl gear
waxen frigate
and i dont think 20s were and issue,
Just my opinion
proper roost
mostly you have to get external healing for deios on pwar. no other way
waxen frigate
Not really an “issue”
proper roost
I don't really think the key level inflation is an issue at all tbqh
jagged pier
Just my opinion
not an issue but 15s giving 447 items would be dumb
proper roost
you guys are just in a bit of an elitism bubble where any decently high level players only ever had to do 11+ for wyrms and 20s for vault
but theres plenty of people literally like yogi
that just spammed 11s or lower
in my casual guild theres still tons of ppl doing 6s and shit even though (imo) its literally worthless to do and a waste of time
that's just what theyre comfy with
more levels for that to happen is fine
waxen frigate
not an issue but 15s giving 447 items would be dumb
Well that’s not the point I was making
toxic pewter
I spend most of my days in the 3-7 range
waxen frigate
I don’t think 15s should give 447s at current difficulty
proper roost
It's only annoying for me, in my bubble, because I want to instantly blast my pally's key up to a 15 and farm that
plush tendon
idk, I was sort of going off the idea that its hard to fill groups at these lower key levels
proper roost
ya and that has nothing to do with the key inflation it's entirely to do with the rewards for 2-10s being bad
plush tendon
if the number of key levels were reduced by increasing difficulty per level (and adjusting rewards accordingly) it might add players in those lower ranges
proper roost
nah
tropic gorge
Hell a lot of my guild raid people are legit afraid of keys over 10
proper roost
u would still never have to do whelpling crest keys
ever
2-5 only giving whelps is
a shit decision tbh
even my rat can't use these
jagged pier
if the number of key levels were reduced by increasing difficulty per level (and...
nah it would still be the same issue, ppl would just be stuck at a lower number
and u you still wouldnt find ppl for lowest keys
tropic gorge
I've told my guild a number of times doing small keys is a total waste of time. But on guild mythic night groups run small keys for some reason
jagged pier
it would probably even stop ppl running m+ if your not oo careful
flat spruce
what stats i should to make for prot? i cant check any wow profile, error 400
jagged pier
because they will just see it as too hard
tropic gorge
Some people are perfectly content doing low lvl content
tropic gorge
what stats i should to make for prot? i cant check any wow profile, error 400
Ilvl is king. Sim yourself for proper answers
proper roost
thoughts on this keybind @daring marlin
sick sentinel
i do medium to hard content
jagged pier
what stats i should to make for prot? i cant check any wow profile, error 400
haste crit ot haste vers pick your favourite
sick sentinel
mostly medium
tropic gorge
I personally do crit haste enchants and gems
At least until I get near that magic 8k number or whatever it is
plush tendon
Ive been doing haste/crit on everything... but for my jewelry I gotta go haste/vers
cause sims told me so
flat spruce
sim is showing your damage, right?
plush tendon
100%
tropic gorge
I added a socket to my helmet and did crit mast
plush tendon
we sim for damage
jagged pier
you will have enough defence from your top damage gear anyway
so u just sim for damage
your survivability comes form play
flat spruce
ok thx so much
tropic gorge
Spam shield block and welcome to prot war
plush tendon
its the same on my DH
got too much haste/crit on these toons
now the robot is telling 'homie, you need some vers' for the dps
jagged pier
well u do need a bit of every stat yer XD
plush tendon
at least its not my BDK, which is oddly enough super frustrating to get the 'right stats for' since you want all of them in like equal amounts
thankfully, he's a jewlcrafter so I can just adjust my neck and rings to the sims pretty cheap
granted, I could just run anything and be fine.... but my OCD wont let me
plush tendon
what happened?
proper roost
no one's signing up (it's been 30 seconds)
plush tendon
I actually waited like 20 mins last night for a 17 BH
for a healer
was super frustrating
toxic pewter
gross just joined a group with 2 evokers.. 1 devastation and 1 preservation.. exited immediately
proper roost
you literally can wait an hour
for a person
waiting 2 minutes is not a big deal lmao
plush tendon
you literally can wait an hour
yea, the homies taking a shit and says brb 10
ends up doing his taxes instead
proper roost
um no its more for optimal comp and shit but regardless
toxic pewter
sounds awful
plush tendon
keys with the bois is always more enjoyable then pugging
but Ill pug for weekly keys and aspect farming
cause I cant be bothered to try and coordinate schedules for that
proper roost
so it turns out if you have hated with goblin rep, you're instantly in combat when you take the uldaman portal
so that stinks
tropic gorge
I hate m+ people that rrqueue every few moments
It ain't helping guy. Let it sit fora minute
lusty grotto
it helps to have their group be on the top of lists
its not because they want to
there's no reason to do it on a less populated bracket but it's more than fine on lower keys
dusky canopy
iirc yes
proper roost
i'm climbing on out of here
yo
i got like 8 insta signups on a +8
6-10 keys big?????
any DRAKE crest farmers in the chat
modern brook
I hate m+ people that rrqueue every few moments
your group name is +17
they're not desperate to q with you
they're just hammering every +17 tey see
uneven mason
Probably even an add-on that just looks for +#
proper roost
you don't need an addon for that
you can literally just do like "17-17" in the group browser and it'll filter for all 17s
although ofc anyone playing without premade groups filter in 2023 is insane
round pendant
No joke asks me when boss mechanics are coming cause he won't install timers
Or at least won't put them in a decent spot
plush tendon
thats pretty troll
When I got my roommate to start playing casually, we started off with no add-ons and then slowly added them in together cause it can be jarring at the beggining to give them a list and be like 'you need all of this'
first downloads were always little/big wigs, details, and weakauras
daring marlin
any DRAKE crest farmers in the chat
no shut up
proper roost
plush tendon
And elvui
naw, Elvui is a bit advanced for a new player or someone who doesnt really like add-ons
the base Ui is pretty good now
tropic gorge
I haven't used the base ui in so very long, that seeing scree shots of it is weird
uneven mason
ElvUI has turned into a buggy pile of uneccesary complexity
mighty valley
the base UI has only existed for like a year
uneven mason
Base UI works and has been getting better
daring marlin
I do like the base UI and the customization it provides now.
Still using ELVUI tho
I went through the pain of setting it up for the first time in MoP and stuck with it
uneven mason
I built a new PC between SL and DF, once I came back in prepatch and saw how smooth the base UI was, I just couldn't be bothered with elv ever again
pallid fox
Quick question on Spell Block and how it works. Actually, how does it work? Hit it once and it blocks a portion of spells based on your block stats? Does that for the entire length of the spell or is it more like Spell Reflect where the first spell that hits it, uses the charge?
modern brook
Quick question on Spell Block and how it works. Actually, how does it work? Hit ...
When you take blockable damage you have X% chance to block it reducing it by (Blockvalue/K+blockvalue)%
spellblock adds magic damage to the list of blockable damage for its duration
pallid fox
Is there a reason why more don't take it for M+? That doesn't seem great for raid bosses based on our other tools
modern brook
Is there a reason why more don't take it for M+? That doesn't seem great for rai...
Uhhhh yes and no
Splock is a VERY strong cooldown
but Shield wall exists and its more applicable and is basically on a 1 minute cd
talents are also tight, so splock requires dropping something else you want
So its generally taken when theres scary things that SW cant cover
most boss mechanics are not often enoguh to need much mroe than what the base kit provides
Some examples of dungeons where its very good is like Neltharus, specifically for the fireslash from the mobs
restive scroll
Some examples of dungeons where its very good is like Neltharus, specifically fo...
Actually only the fireslash for neltharus, right?
Haven't been able to think of another pne
Heard uldaman as well
dusky canopy
I built a new PC between SL and DF, once I came back in prepatch and saw how smo...
same I was rocking elvui for all of bfa and sl, decided to go back to base ui with WAs in df and honestly i like it
modern brook
Actually only the fireslash for neltharus, right?
Haven't been able to think of ...
i dont run it ever personally but im also not tanking dungeons that would require me to really optimize my defensives
but yeah there arent many this season
Reflect stonks are huge rn tho
proper roost
yeah you mostly only take spell block for neltharus for keys
because wardens are the only thing that can kill you p much
there were a few more use cases in s1
pallid fox
Not gonna lie, this is what I was hoping to hear simply because I'm running out of good binds for stuff
tropic gorge
Are you using shift and ctrl modifiers yet
uneven mason
because wardens are the only thing that can kill you p much
*and hunters who feign spear
uneven mason
Are you using shift and ctrl modifiers yet
☝️
When I do take it splock is shift mod on my sr button
tropic linden
SR and SpellBlock don't cover the DOT from Deios right?
modern brook
proper roost
spell reflect covers everything within its duration
it's just a flat % magic dmg reduction
restive scroll
Spell bock was pretty nice on deios though, even if it was only for the initial hit
strong forum
SR and SpellBlock don't cover the DOT from Deios right?
spellblock doesnt work on the dot itself
only the frontal
uneven mason
Is the initial hit getting buffed from the nova still?
dusky sentinel
Just heading into the new dungeon. Anything I need to be super aware off as P.warrior? 🙂
uneven mason
Haven't had the chance to do it myself but I remember someone getting obliterated for like 600k since it was gaining the 300% buff
proper roost
was that ever a thing
i did it on tuesday and that was def not a thing
ur probably thinking more of the dot that just owns people
strong forum
if you can make DRASTIC changes to your gear to get relevant amount of vers, sure
strong forum
they nerfed it alot so i dont think its necessary, but obv does more than nothing
proper roost
i think you're fine
the bombs/tank dmg aren't really what are causing most peoples' zskarn wipes anymore (other than just straight up being missed)
it's just a tanks learn positioning fight now
and a melee dps don't eat traps
daring marlin
was that ever a thing
pretty sure the debuff always specified 300% more damage from X ability so yeah
proper roost
and a rdps actually stop being cringe and hard target swap to the adds
yeah problem is i don't have any of my megadungeon logged because dbm autolog only does M+
hmph
strong forum
Just heading into the new dungeon. Anything I need to be super aware off as P.wa...
not rly, just go in and play the mechanics of the bosses, theyre all pretty easy
uneven mason
pretty sure the debuff always specified 300% more damage from X ability so yeah
Yeah it specified 300% from just nova, but was applying to all arcane damage
proper roost
i mean
is there any log of that
i just pulled up sense's run from tuesday
and it's not true
so
??
like literally just linked you the full log filters
daring marlin
proper roost
yeah the log filter I linked literally shows when sense has that debuff
and when he takes the breath dmg
and on overlaps vs not overlaps it has 0 difference
strong forum
it literallys says infinity nova dmg
proper roost
doesnt affect the dot damage doesnt affect anything
strong forum
the frontal just hits that hard
proper roost
idk where this narrative is from..
uneven mason
So they were mistaken and it just hits for 600k Ty for the clarification kanga
proper roost
actually ig even if it did
it would say the unmit damage is 200k or w/e
and then show it doing 600k
since that's how dmg debuffs work on wcl
so if this debuff actually affected the breath they'd take 1.8-2.1 mil damage per initial breath.
uneven mason
The narrative came from the tooltip in wowhead having a base of 180k
But hitting unmit for 650k+
So that's why someone thought the debuff was increasing it
strong forum
TOOLTIPS IN WOW
prisma crane
suck
dusky canopy
tooltips own
I swear to god
i just had a 3k VDH in 23 hoi
not know he had to get eatin by frog
fml
3 stacks enrage
wipe
strong forum
1heal
sick sentinel
not know he had to get eatin by frog
tbf i don't full understand how the frog eat mechanic truly works
dusky canopy
really straight forward actually
frog spawns green circle
you walk into it
you get eatin
and then youve done it
sick sentinel
is it, a certain player has to get in
tame jasper
exactly
sick sentinel
there are boses and trash i understand and bosses and trash i do not understand
thats about it
uneven mason
My favorite is when dudes typhoon little frogs out of gulp
tame jasper
My favorite is when dudes typhoon little frogs out of gulp
or runs away with them
sick sentinel
if i was 20 years younger i would be 3k player
uneven mason
"stack adds near tank so we can ae stun lock" - fucking hunter derpengages across the room and runs down the Drake ramp
dusky canopy
typically you want to start by charging in
cinder nova
Like legit beating my cheeks
crude notch
have you tried, not sucking
dusky canopy
are they making you bomb tank S?
uneven mason
Put pants on
daring marlin
@sick sentinel frog boss eats you and spits you out but since you can reflect it doesn't do that
dusky canopy
what is killing you stacks reaching like 10?
daring marlin
It does give 4 stacks of debuff tho
cinder nova
I survived like 15 stacks, but it feels like I'm struggling to stay alive in general because it's just a lot of DOT and really it doesn't feel like we have a strong answer.
We're using AA slows, too.
sick sentinel
no, i figured that out long ago about the 10 stacks and your dead
cinder nova
I mean, we have answers, but it just feels like I'm constnatly fighting for my life.
sick sentinel
i even whispered a paladin to put it on if he didnt have his cleanse for that run (ret)
crude notch
no, i figured that out long ago about the 10 stacks and your dead
We've moved on from frog boss
sick sentinel
nope, like i said, there is mechancis and dungeons that scare me and ones that do not at all
crude notch
AHHHHHHH
dusky canopy
iirc the last time zskarn was discussed it was mentioned that you're basically at the mercy of healer outside of using your buttons appropriately ofc
daring marlin
@toxic pewter https://twitter.com/thdlock/status/1680983956454252544?s=46&t=pKJqAaes9gysilv22ZNTq you're thd in a wig, right?
Twitter
dusky canopy
i also think thats a boss you can attack speed slow
sick sentinel
10 stacks of posion on frog doesn't scare me cuz its get dispelled and kill adds fast, the eat mechanic however, does scare me
daring marlin
weirdos that like ap
cinder nova
I mean, every boss you can AA slow, it just has more impact on intake on a boss that applies bullshit on hit.
crude notch
This discord and having 4 conversations at a time name a more iconic duo.
cinder nova
And we have Insidious and Weakness
I honestly hate boss design like this where I feel like I have no agency.
daring marlin
10 stacks of posion on frog doesn't scare me cuz its get dispelled and kill adds...
eat mechanic shouldn't scare you, it genuinely doesn't do anything
all you need to do on that boss is get out of leap and stay in for the green aoe
dusky canopy
I mean, every boss you can AA slow, it just has more impact on intake on a boss ...
Right i meant where its effective
sick sentinel
i have to at least kill the second boss of mega-dungeon, if i get the targeted tank buster i go into the lighted pizza? or to avoid the balls?, i thought it does tons of dmg if you go in those zones
cinder nova
Mmh.
I gotta say, as much as I enjoy this raid conceptually, this tier, and the overall design pivot the game has been taking in DF
I fucking hate this M prog.
M Exp stressed me out
M Zskarn stresses me out.
toxic pewter
<@185160009074737153> https://twitter.com/thdlock/status/1680983956454252544?s=4...
it me
daring marlin
i have to at least kill the second boss of mega-dungeon, if i get the targeted t...
Nah. Stay in brown slice. It slows down his frontal.
The first hit is unavoidable, the second can be dodged.
cinder nova
Pre-nerf M Kazz hurt bad too, but we could Splock if we wanted to turtle so it's not as bad
dusky canopy
yeah theyre trying to make raid tanking more engaging
instead of just boss autoing me
and i have to move it once and a while
daring marlin
But you NEED to be in brown slice to be able to dodge second one yogi
cinder nova
I feel like there are ways to do it that don't make me feel like I'm made of paper.
Because it's not like Paladins sweat on any of these encounters.
lusty grotto
<@185160009074737153> https://twitter.com/thdlock/status/1680983956454252544?s=4...
thats what i told him a while ago
cinder nova
I guess I just want a reasonable answer to DOTs that isn't just praying for a healer to keep me up
There's nothing engaging about that.
lusty grotto
not just x mechanic is not blockable like https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/chrono-lord-deios-temporal-breath-is-not-spell-blockable-bug-or-intended/1632171
nocturne spindle
i have to at least kill the second boss of mega-dungeon, if i get the targeted t...
you should basically always be in brown slice unless you get the aoe expanding circle, but that should not be on tank unless people are dead
lusty grotto
I gotcha nim
👍
uneven mason
We felt warriors were blocking too much mmk, so now all trash NPCs have pre nerfed rocks leftover from those bricked toldagor keys y'all left behind.
crude notch
What
uneven mason
Consistency in block
lusty grotto
yea ikarikaze
its like their dungeon team isnt keeping track of abilities
but thats no surprise
uneven mason
its like their dungeon team isnt keeping track of abilities
☝️he got it
lusty grotto
since they have been doing that forever
sick sentinel
crude notch
Tbf, thematically, blocking a DAMAGE OVER TIME effect sounds dumb AF. They should give you something else to deal with it though.
sick sentinel
something for 522k
lusty grotto
yeah thats fair
crude notch
Like if I give you herpes a shield ain't helping your ass
mighty valley
the frontal cone happens twice, the delay between them is large if you're in the slow zone (dark brown) - you just didn't move out of the second part
lusty grotto
they are having an ffxiv moment in which they think the tools are more than enough and then decide to design content even more difficult so the apparent gain is gone COUGH BLM MOVEMENT COUGH
daring marlin
yeah after the first cone you were supposed to move
sick sentinel
so whenever he casts that ability or balls, move to the brow, and the brown doesnt hurt me much i guess
mighty valley
the rot damage ticks faster in fast zone, too
daring marlin
so whenever he casts that ability or balls, move to the brow, and the brown doe...
Brown makes you take 20% reduced damage but it also slows his abilities
toxic pewter
Tbf, thematically, blocking a DAMAGE OVER TIME effect sounds dumb AF. They shoul...
? Standing in a circle on the ground makes more sense? Lmao
crude notch
DOTs were increased to have more engagement between healer and tank I feel the problem is some tanks can still deal with it themselves thus creating a delta.
daring marlin
Which allows you to dodge the tank buster
sick sentinel
i talked to my guild a little bit, new guild
uneven mason
Glaring example of this is Zul back in uld, you had tanks that were 100% reliant on external cd and healing and other tanks who were more likely to die by rolling off the platform
lusty grotto
lol
sick sentinel
i said i hadnt really done that dungeon and i was interested, no idea if anyones gunna go
crude notch
They meme about Bear being the one that can't handle magic damage but Brew and PWar don't have anything on the level of FR when it comes to dots.
Especially with new FR
sick sentinel
LFR zul was something else
crude notch
Makes WHI so busted too
daring marlin
two different bosses yogi
crude notch
LMAO
lusty grotto
classic yogi take
lusty grotto
DN
sick sentinel
hmm wait what, tere is a zul from uldir
sick sentinel
ya, no, lfr zul worse
daring marlin
you are cracked
lusty grotto
yeah uldir zul was our parse bro
sick sentinel
you don know you didnt do it
lusty grotto
the fuck
sick sentinel
lfr harder
sick sentinel
i did not ever once enjoy fighting uldir zul
lusty grotto
youre an anomaly
cause its the one boss where we showed our dps
pre s2
so basically everyone that was playing prot enjoyed it, a lot
sick sentinel
boss right after was worse, and then ghuun
crude notch
Honestly give PWar something like this
