especially with how you get 5 for fail and 12 for win
#protection
sick sentinel
proper roost
mainstat > secondary stats > dmg procs for DPS aoe (usually, beacon's the only outlier)
south zealot
dusky canopy
yeah I just want to play around with gems/enchants/missives and fully min max key dps but wasnt sure how i should go about it
proper roost
can be mildly different for tank but it's like... pretty much the same...
for this tier at least
dusky canopy
sounds like im going to just use the same sim settings and play around
modern gazelle
any tips?
daring marlin
fuckin' choco be like "PUG ALWAYS ALSO ME AM PUT ALL PUGS ON SHOULDERS ACROSS FINISH LINE"
proper roost
yeah i mean, i don't really think that has any value because there's almost no aoe packs where there isn't also prio target
so ST never really stops mattering
dusky canopy
yeah that is very true
proper roost
also if i had to guess it literally won't change any of your secondary stat values
dusky canopy
I just dont understand why i sim 10k below people at the same item level
for ST
i see people posting sims doing 135k-137k
and i get like 128k
proper roost
arms sims that are doing 135k+are cooked
They are not real
spec literally doesn't sim that way normally
south zealot
fuckin' choco be like "PUG ALWAYS ALSO ME AM PUT ALL PUGS ON SHOULDERS ACROSS FI...
ive pugged a handful of keys with a spriest buddy
south zealot
arms sims that are doing 135k+are cooked
depends what u mean by not real
crude notch
Anyways
dusky canopy
hmm alright thats probably true i mean im only 444ilvl arms equip the extra 3 ilvl could be making a difference
proper roost
I mean they're "real" but you can easily fudge it by 100% corrupting rage or just something simple like 3min vs 5min
which won't give an accurate or relevant picture
dusky canopy
yeah thats prob alot of free damn im not considering becuase i dont have ashkandur in my sim or rage phial
south zealot
people padding sims is the funniest thing to me
proper roost
(choco is literally nearly in full bis)
funniest? i think the funniest is ppl posting details of brackenhide runs
and not just that
the randoms who drool over it
south zealot
(choco is literally nearly in full bis)
proper roost
🙂
dusky canopy
i just ran a 23 undr and the sub rogue blew me out of the water doing 210k
so that was nice 🙂
south zealot
i think im only missing sark bracers and cloak, and nelth weapon and gloves
dusky canopy
thats what lit the lightbulb of wanting to min max keys more
south zealot
dh in guild is full bis except sark cloak
proper roost
yeah i mean sometimes someone is just a gamer
if you care about seriously minmaxing dps though fury is the play for keys
daring marlin
dh in guild is full bis except sark cloak
sounds like he's first in line for cloak then
first to full bis
proper roost
by a pretty big margin
daring marlin
south zealot
we just roll everything after prog
dusky canopy
its way to much fun
proper roost
arms is def the play for raid but fury just has too much st damage over arms
in keys
proper roost
only time it's not true is for brackenhide basically and maybe FH if you double/triple every pull
since fury runs into target cap issues
proper roost
But yea the other thing is arms skill is gonna be really massive for keys because a single bad warbreaker use on a pull means you're ruined
dusky canopy
proper roost
prob like 5k overall lost per bad pull for you
or like ramping too late with bleeds
dusky canopy
yeah I feel like over the course of the dungeon I make bad warbreaker sends
sometimes send for an SS exe pack and then shit dies in like 6 globals
and im like ok
well
dusky canopy
proper roost
yea i mean
dusky canopy
or like using it on a pack but then boss is next and then i dont have WB to align with my AVA/vial
daring marlin
kanga gimme that cat pfp
dusky canopy
it all slowly adds up to losses
daring marlin
I want it
south zealot
i wish execute was worth pressing holy moly
dusky canopy
i get it
south zealot
this button does 0 fucking damage for prot
proper roost
i'd guess arms can struggle on like sub 25 key level if your pulls don't go on, since your aoe is either very upfront or also backloaded with bleeds
proper roost
so if a pull doesn't last a perfect amount of time for you you're sad
proper roost
Guessing like 20-25 second pulls are godtier
wb duration + ss duration + you get two WWs in
and then it increments per WW cd or something because storm of swords WW is insane
crude notch
What does ret even do now? I didn't really pay attention to the rework
proper roost
kanga gimme that cat pfp
urban portal
lot of buttons that do similar things
south zealot
What does ret even do now? I didn't really pay attention to the rework
theyre basically just builder builder builder spender but ranged now instead of melee
and they have dead globals
daring marlin
The range is fuckin' nuts
proper roost
wow so it's like the opposite of arms
where it's spender spender spender spender spender builder
no ranged options
proper roost
nice!!
south zealot
proper roost
i guess arms is also empty gcds though
but only if they shafted you out of wft and you get really unlucky
chilly brook
I’m laughing so hard at all these “game devs” whining about how BG3 is setting an unrealistic expectation for them
crude notch
Shaft me daddy
proper roost
it's ok echo is actually a really good fight for arms
daring marlin
Templar strikes is fuckin' sick too
proper roost
@daring marlin should i gear my pally as prot or holy
it matters rn because either i craft a sporecloak (holy) or not
rat pally needs gear ASAP to do n/h raid in approximately
1 hour
i feel like it's easier to pug keys as holy than as prot
daring marlin
mood
proper roost
blessed hammer spam is admittedly pretty cringe tho
proper roost
also yeah that part
daring marlin
do it
proper roost
makes me madge
sporecloak kinda owns too
oh well like 4 more weeks and i can just have a non sporecloak cloak for prot anyway ig
crafters are scam artists
just getting 424s and this guy's like "ok 6k for two items"
Bitch I know u dont need to use any insight or anything crafting a 424
Man wants 6k to click two buttons
proper roost
i figured out the secret to playing alts
you just instantly log out of any character that has 3 vault slots and do not do anything else on it period
no pushing io NADA
then you have time to play alts
crude notch
then you have time to play alts <:xan:1094127979703062558>
Account wide IO, when?
Your io is calculated across how many alts you play. The more alts you play the higher your io. Let's go.
Time for us to rise
toxic pewter
424 still not guaranteed for a lot of people so usually gotta use some mettle
south zealot
use dn
warm plinth
424 is still r5... it's barely lower skill req than 447; only difference is the 50? Skill req on the Crest
toxic pewter
yah the skill required for 447 and 424 are similar
that why most people still charge for rank 5
even on a 424
warm plinth
Plus it's 3k stop being a cheap ass
proper roost
i mean literally everyone else doing it is capped, 10% are requiring payment because they are behind
i'm tipping 2.5k lol
they're only 424s
it's the principle of the matter
warm plinth
Bruh who cares about the ilevel. The rank is what determines difficulty
proper roost
cant be farming the knowledge from the craft off me
and also require payment
on top of a tip
warm plinth
Just... don't tip then?
valid hinge
been running beacon + dargul
toxic pewter
i would personally drop the dargrul for anvil
been trying to get an anvil for months
valid hinge
damn double on use
proper roost
see who am i getting out of these 2 guys
valid hinge
i still can't get an essence, btu we making progess.
proper roost
it ain't the guy saying 5k send
toxic pewter
damn double on use
yah but the anvil does not function as traditional on use trinket.. it is off the 'on use' 20 second cooldown
but fair enough having 2 keybind is kinda annoying
valid hinge
yeah, so like in between packs pretty much
valid hinge
ah thats nice
i was pretty sure you just use it on opener, and in between packs if you can
to keep buff up in M+
dusky canopy
I always forget to press anvil so i just do the lazy thing and macro it to SS on prot and MS on arms
daring marlin
stacks last for 15s outside of combat
valid hinge
ah, I may just macro it into my avatar then
proper roost
no don't macro it
it's really bad if you spellqueue ever and it's extra bad on offgcd
well you can, actually, I recommend doing it and then you'll immediately see why it's bad
valid hinge
ah gotcha
proper roost
explaining it is hard to do
valid hinge
I trust you, i have a bind i can use for it
proper roost
but as soon as you play literally one fight with it you'll realize it feels really bad
valid hinge
i asked yall questions for a reason, i'll trust the experts.
proper roost
you just need to get semi used to pressing it when you're mid gcd
dusky canopy
it is quite honestly not bad at all to macro it kanga
if youre a button masher anyway
dusky canopy
right so you dont do a sequence
proper roost
i did that for like 30 minutes and I was like jfc
proper roost
no its because you're pressing avatar off gcd and then your ACTUAL first gcd of your cd window, which is hugely important, is delayed 0.5s
dusky canopy
win
proper roost
not a sequencing thing
dusky canopy
the only issue you have is if you cast it on the last couple hp of a mob
you better chain pull
valid hinge
you just do
/cast shield slam
/use Anvil
that makes sense for prot yeah
dusky canopy
or stacks drop
valid hinge
i'll probabyl just manually press it
dusky canopy
i agree with kanga that you do not want it macroed to avatar
valid hinge
i have a spare hotkey that isn't a pain to push, I just wasnt 100% sure how it worked into the roto
dusky canopy
I also have a trinket button i just find that in anvils case
macroing it to a rotational button works out pretty good
sick sentinel
bit of lag on area 52 lol
dusky canopy
obviusly kanga is correct it would be a technical gain to have a seperat bind and press it optimally
but odds are it will not make a difference for you
proper roost
i can't comment on whether or not it's good on a gcd button, but I'm guessing if you press the button while you're mid gcd trying to spellqueue, you might occasionally delay that GCD
which would feel really bad for me
i do spam a lot so if you rely on spellqueue more it's probably ok
dusky canopy
it doesnt effect spell que that bad like you can charge start spamming your SS/anvil macro and anvil will go off mid charge and you will immediately SS when you reach the target
its not to bad at all in my experience
proper roost
yeah but that's because the cast is only 0.5s
But i'd offer the alternative problem
this has happened to me several times with the avatar macro btw
I charge in on opener
Avatar charge -> can't press roar or spear on opener
Awkwardly stand there for half my GCD, since I'm gcd capped during lust
toxic pewter
Can you block/parry during that .5 sec
proper roost
Really shitty feeling
And ye shield slam would not cause that as bad but... idk...
s'all i'm saying i felt bad playing like that and it was super noticeable ESPECIALLY because you always anvil on opener
dusky canopy
in my case i have to press shift5 for anvil + whatever keybind is next on the prio list
so having anvil squeezed in between globals optimal is just annoying
so i macro it
proper roost
just get a better trinket button lol
valid hinge
ima use a for anvil
dusky canopy
this is how i roll
F keys are on mouse along with 4 scroll wheel binds above rend roar leap and sr
valid hinge
dusky canopy
some stuff is odd but it works for me im very used to it
dusky canopy
that is my slam/cleave known: macro
dusky canopy
and the only reason i save it there for arms
is for when they finally make slam good
valid hinge
XD
dusky canopy
valid hinge
its there as future proofing
in case its ever good
slam procs were a big deal on wotlk classic
dusky canopy
I do not like re learning keybind muscle memory
warm plinth
why does enchanting weapon take 10s
I actually hate this so much lol. Why do some enchants take like 1.5 sec and some take like 8
At least give me a badass animation if you're gonna make it take that long
proper roost
i'm currently rushing to enchant and gem all my shit rn so i don't get my shit pushed in on heroic tanking at 405
warm plinth
Kanga I fell asleep on Saturday and didn't wake up til 1:30. Missed yogi's run completely :pepehands
proper roost
it's ok i pinged you while your internet was out that i forgot i actually have a raid at 8 est
warm plinth
ohh okay
proper roost
but we'll force him through it next week
warm plinth
If we can do Friday I'm down but I have a date on Saturday 
proper roost
nice
dusky canopy
holly shit did he end up getting a 20 fh?
warm plinth
nah
proper roost
yeah like 8 est friday would own
toxic pewter
did he stream it or wat
proper roost
i think he's posted a couple of his 16s but idk about the 17s
daring marlin
What are you tanking on @proper roost ?
daring marlin
which tank gains the least from augvoker armor other than pally
prolly warrior right?
warm plinth
Pal/war/druid probably gain the least
daring marlin
lit
proper roost
What are you tanking on <@116366605818134530> ?
huh
proper roost
mostly my warrior currently but only for weekly keys
warm plinth
4%*
daring marlin
i'm currently rushing to enchant and gem all my shit rn so i don't get my shit p...
^
crude notch
So worst is Pally then
daring marlin
that was a given
warm plinth
Yeah I don't think pal gains damage from it
daring marlin
considering sotr
proper roost
I don't know what it is about my BDK, but something about my current spellqueuewindow is REALLY fucking up my bdk buttonpresses
warm plinth
and they already have a fuckload of armor due to shield/sanctified plates/sotr
proper roost
and causing a lot of double buttonpresses to go off (no I will not stop spamming)
toxic pewter
how does prot warr benefit from it
toxic pewter
?
warm plinth
toxic pewter
oh right
toxic pewter
ya we just get armor
warm plinth
So I guess bear is clear winner then damage-wise anyway
proper roost
at least, the fix didn't specify it only affected dps warriors, it just said warriors overall
crude notch
Defensively, it's probably worst for Bear because of
daring marlin
they disabled that part
I seemed to recall that too
crude notch
Mald
dusky canopy
hmmm
I disagree
we should be able to use the str from armor as a bonus
why do we have to get cucked by that?
crude notch
Because warrior dps
toxic pewter
no i mean with that augvoker ability
crude notch
I do think Prot shouldn't be penalized for it though
toxic pewter
should of just kept it equal with every class that benefits from armor to gain damage.. just disable it for everyone
dusky canopy
atleast prot agree
i can see them wanting to normalize gains from dps specs
but like why bother with that little bump from tank perspective?
toxic pewter
same on reddit
dusky canopy
THE SIZE OF MY MASSIVE WEAPON
daring marlin
your nudle weapon more like
warm plinth
I can't even tell what I'm looking at in that picture
crude notch
I bet next expansion we're getting like 5 new support specs
daring marlin
warm plinth
That would be my guess as well. Because you can't just have 1 for a super long time
crude notch
Mage, Pally, Priest, Shaman, .....
warm plinth
Having 1 for the rest of this expansion is even a lot
Enhancement is already named properly for support 😏
crude notch
Nah I hope they stick to their not changing any current ones
warm plinth
Yeah, that would actually be awful
crude notch
We don't need anymore survival incidents
warm plinth
crude notch
I'm waiting for apb to be like "I told you guys, this was my big picture plan"
warm plinth
I wish they would just continue to lean into bombs for survival. It's such a fun playstyle
Needs a little work but it's so much fun to just be launching bombs
toxic pewter
support hunter spec would be badass
crude notch
IDK though, if we don't get a new tank soon my tank main days are over.
sick sentinel
i heard you would are interested in lamp oil rope and bombs
crude notch
huh
warm plinth
No one said anything about lamp oil or rope yogi
If I want that shit I'll go play bloodborne
proper roost
god bless you yogi
crude notch
I wonder if cross realm trading will be back this patch, lol.
warm plinth
Yeah they seem to be struggling with it
crude notch
that wasn't at all it
sick sentinel
major laundering occurring had to disable it
surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
warm plinth
Every healer overheals naturally
The don't have to do anything differently for that trinket.
sick sentinel
only memeing
toxic pewter
area 52 melting down right now
toxic pewter
must be all that cross realm trading ive heard about
people giving mage food
crashed the servers
LOL
warm plinth
daring marlin
Friend said Zul'jin was having issues
toxic pewter
some intern gonna get promoted after this
proper roost
big strong tonk
toxic pewter
Play augmentation evoker
crude notch
Okay but I have this brain deficiency where I'm like physically incapable of playing meta
warm plinth
Outlaw rogue 
chilly brook
Okay but I have this brain deficiency where I'm like physically incapable of pla...
Survival hunter then
toxic pewter
Marksmanship hunter pretty fun
sick sentinel
rip area 52
toxic pewter
rip area 52
Ya that my fault I was trading someone from zul’jin some mage food. Sorry yogi
chilly brook
Frost DK
proper roost
Okay but I have this brain deficiency where I'm like physically incapable of pla...
based as hell
junior spade
Anyone else having trouble logging in?
warm plinth
Yes, a lot of people
proper roost
yes
servers are fucked
i was mid raid
went to go get an enchant while we were switching from normal to heroic
and now everything is donezo
toxic pewter
All cuz I cross realm traded a guy some magefood. I am the origin of the server troubles
warm plinth
Fuck you apb
toxic pewter
warm plinth
jk I'm not even home
toxic pewter
That cross realm trading truly does pay a heavy price
warm plinth
Probably another DDoS
toxic pewter
Lmao
junior spade
Lmao
toxic pewter
Blizzard been using this ddos bs for years to just cover up their blatant shitty network operations
No other company has these ddos excuses like blizzard
It’s awkward as hell
sick sentinel
fuckin, they have microsoft on their side now
im not saying delete current servers
toxic pewter
Bill gate will solve everything
sick sentinel
but like, get microsoft involved ont he back end shiit
toxic pewter
From Bobby to billy
warm plinth
Steve Jobs will fix everything
cinder storm
Bobby is staying, stakeholders happy, bosses happy
toxic pewter
Every time the servers crash an intern gets promoted
toxic pewter
Nice
crude notch
i can always tell when servers are having problems because people go full drool mode
like wtf
apb and yogi you're both probably the most... redacted apes I've ever met.
crude notch
what if the redacted word was beautiful?
crude notch
Hi sad, I'm Jordan
proper roost
I got a normal mode nelths call trinket @daring marlin
i think i'm going prot?
it's hero track i think
crude notch
I need a hot take gauge o meter
My take is that Guardian is the least important piece to the current meta, true or false?
warm plinth
True
proper roost
it's actually the shadow priest and i'm not even capping
toxic pewter
But u r a known guardian apologist of course you would think it least strong component of the meta
warm plinth
Confirmed by the fact that there is pretty much every tank in the top 100 keys
sick sentinel
my honest reaction
crude notch
Wait a fooking BDK did a 29 Underrot, yep my take isn't hot.
warm plinth
Guardian does do a fuckload of damage though so there's that
warm plinth
What 3rd boss
crude notch
what does DA have to do with it?
crude notch
in a cordinated group yogi, you don't need to soak any shrooms
bc people won't eat crayons
sick sentinel
cuz u can run over more shrooms with DA with AMS uip
warm plinth
I'm confused about why DA comes into play
kind urchin
Glad I finished that key befor the servers took a dump.
sick sentinel
cuz zoom
crude notch
which you need a group to do a +29 UR so you're doing the mechanic
warm plinth
Yeah the problem with the shrooms in pugs is that you'll have like person X on one side and person Y on the other instead of them standing side by side
warm plinth
So you end up with random mushrooms in between the two clears
warm plinth
Or my personal favorite, the person who stands directly behind the tank to clear
Like I'm not about to fucking shockwave there
sick sentinel
well, we have paladin healer anyways, i dunno if bop removes the stacks, i just know bop is great lol
warm plinth
BoP does not
kind urchin
If you're a dwarf you can pull one heroic move on that fight.
warm plinth
But they have disease dispel which does
On like 20+ keys you can't really soak more than 1 or 2 because they actually hurt a lot
sick sentinel
i just remember my hpal friend bopping everyone and anyone
crude notch
what is going on in your brain rn yogi
sick sentinel
would yell out if he did freedom or judgment like a pokemon
i cant recall what all they used bop for, but its really strong and hpla is meta now
warm plinth
Yeah pretty crazy huh yogi
crude notch
lmao
warm plinth
BoP carrying hpal so hard though you know
proper roost
AHHH just LET ME IN THE GAME
sick sentinel
i blame blizzard
6 hours ago they put up a video about go do time shit
now its laggin out, big surprise if you ask me
crude notch
what
toxic pewter
Working on my strongly toned email to blizzard right now. Going to include an invoice for services-not-rendered
chilly brook
I’m malding
chilly brook
Where da servers
daring marlin
Let me check
crude notch
I want one on my Warrior too since they discovered it procs off dn.
What's dn
daring marlin
^
daring marlin
tasty
urban portal
Just ignore the part where it says conjured
sick sentinel
on a more serious note
i can do boots, wrists or boots, proably in that order
i have another 447 item
proper roost
hopefully game up when I finish
it's up lol
sick sentinel
what a scam jesus
crude notch
don't blame jesus
sick sentinel
10 greater insights, 40k and 10 recraftst to rank 5 self craft boots
and people keep turbo jacking up the price of dracothyst
was like 4k a week or 2 ago, now people are charging 9500 for hem
how they only go up in gold price is beyond me
when they drop or or made
toxic pewter
People leveling their augmentation evoker and need those dracothyst for 447 crafted items
And holy paladins/fire mages etc
sick sentinel
i wouldnt be mad if it wasnt instant -40k after an hour of trying to log in
chilly brook
People leveling their augmentation evoker and need those dracothyst for 447 craf...
leveling aug? sheeesh meanwhile
lusty grotto
daring marlin
gross
daring marlin
chilly brook
I was glad Sendrax died
lusty grotto
F
chilly brook
I mean like
crude notch
you disgusting humans
daring marlin
cuz dragons>>>>>>>>drakonid duh
crude notch
Are you saying yyou wouldn't sacrifice yourself for Alexstrasza?
chilly brook
Sendrax actually just intelligence diffed
chilly brook
the only thing I can't tank are these 70s epeen flexxing on 60s
lusty grotto
no, hes a cow
daring marlin
get out
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
i can if you wish me luck on pushes
🙂
but i can only do the FH
getting late, i dont wanna get random players that have timed 23s that die to the Minstral aoe 3 times on a VP
Like yesterday
😢
lusty grotto
look at this shit
chilly brook
hardy snow
you dont jump over them
lusty grotto
Gorddi was malding
hardy snow
and you die
lusty grotto
i just literally kept going cause i couldnt believe it
daring marlin
shoulda had a better ret
lusty grotto
i think i was in shock
daring marlin
<-------
chilly brook
I'm part of the problem guys
lusty grotto
hey hey
you need to do what you gotta do to get those numbers up
eon's shield is so fucking sexy
i love it
chilly brook
lol jokes aside it's hard to turn down decent rated players with a tank
sick sentinel
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/V34Cd16WcmgjRby7/ 2, technically 3, logs in 1, enjoy 🙂
daring marlin
gigachad
sick sentinel
i dunno what happened to the fail group
insight would be nice to know what happened
daring marlin
<@145702969990578178> this trinket combo
lusty grotto
understandable
proper roost
I legit can't heal keys unless its like the first serious thing i'm doing of the day
sick sentinel
i didnt look at anyones performance in those 3 keys at all
like in the log i just uploaded
proper roost
the other week i was doing 20s with a friend and it was like
i was mildly tired and was missing every CBT timer
it's awful 
south zealot
cbt
proper roost
meanwhile on my warrior i've dpsed high keys just brain off
crude notch
have you tried not being bad?
lusty grotto
when im tired
daring marlin
@lusty grotto hey dick you said crusading strikes is better
lusty grotto
ye
sick sentinel
cow stomp is really over powered for keys imo
sick sentinel
i dunno if i would want the high mountain tauren one
daring marlin
for ST build it's 1.7% less for me
lusty grotto
strange
daring marlin
maybe my haste is lower than yours
proper roost
pranked
lusty grotto
yeah might be haste
proper roost
alright well my pally has 3 normal mode vault slots now, maybe it'll see a normal rashoks
crude notch
🙏
proper roost
tbh empty gcd enjoyers are kinda based
south zealot
alright well my pally has 3 normal mode vault slots now, maybe it'll see a norma...
you wish
lusty grotto
its rare to have an empty gcd with CS
south zealot
tbh empty gcd enjoyers are kinda based
fuck no
toxic pewter
toxic pewter
Arms doesn’t have much downtime these days. It’s pretty fluid
hot hill
hello prot warrior gamers
proper roost
i've been thinking I should move my IP bind as arms
for not the same one as prot lol
south zealot
hi larry
daring marlin
I have both of mine on shift+e
proper roost
it's way too easy to reflexively hit the IP button as arms when i'm taking damage and fuck my rage
south zealot
ignore pain is e as arms and x as prot
proper roost
psychotic
proper roost
you just don't actually hit it off cd
chilly brook
bro wtf healers legit don't exist
south zealot
x is for by the sword for arms
toxic pewter
x is for by the sword for arms
Whoa that my dbts bind too
sick sentinel
7352 haste
south zealot
i miss banner
toxic pewter
7352 haste
Dang that’s some solid haste right there
south zealot
sick sentinel
is cheese haste, but
daring marlin
yeah might be haste
I figured it out
other talents as well
guess people just shifted around after they fixed cs with that other talent
when it wasn't proccing before
lusty grotto
yea
you have to take ummm, whats it called the one where it cleaves for certain fights and keys
daring marlin
blessed champion
lusty grotto
ya
lusty grotto
yeah
crude notch
you have to run 85 heroics to get a full set of adventurer gear from 389 to 398.
and it'd still be faster than tredging through the lag of time rifts.
daring marlin
no shot
crude notch
i'm yoking
sick sentinel
if the 10.2.x or 10.3 raids are all about time, like story eludes to that we will see...... a race for world first?
crude notch
huh?
daring marlin
yogi had a stroke
sick sentinel
time rifts chromie etc
i wonder if it means new raid is time related
and if so, i wonder then if we get race to world first coverage.
warm plinth
I don't see what the theme of the raid has to do with RWF
waxen frigate
I don’t think RWF will ever get official coverage either
Blizz seems to have a pretty clear view on it
warm plinth
Yeah it's a community driven thing so let it be a community driven thing
Blizzard taking control of it wouldn't do anything to help it
toxic pewter
10.2 raid going to be Gnoll themed.
warm plinth
And their formatting of things leaves a lot to be desired so I imagine they'd just botch it anyway
waxen frigate
I honestly don’t understand how rwf is profitable
Sponsors must pay a ton
And the talent prob doesn’t make much
sick sentinel
RWF..... time...... race.... first..... i dunno i feel lke it all flows together, well, then again this is wild baseless speculation
waxen frigate
Yogi with the Sunday night bong cloud takes
chilly brook
Blizzard taking control of it wouldn't do anything to help it
it would assuming they do it properly
but that's a big ask
sick sentinel
i mean does it even need to be sponsored big paid event
waxen frigate
i mean does it even need to be sponsored big paid event
In theory? No
But it is so idk the point of your question
Blizzard already does all the support they need to imo
chilly brook
assuming blizz took control of it they could definitely bring it to the next level, but that would require them to put more effort and money into it
waxen frigate
Which is clearly watching and adjusting the raid
sick sentinel
i just want to tryto remain positive on outlook for warcraft
waxen frigate
assuming blizz took control of it they could definitely bring it to the next lev...
What’s the next level in your opinion
chilly brook
if it became an official event they'd also need to probably get the raid "perfect" at release
i.e. no mid pull tuning
waxen frigate
if it became an official event they'd also need to probably get the raid "perfec...
This is why I don’t think it’ll ever be official
RWF inherently goes against blizzard’s design philosophy
warm plinth
Yeah that's not ever going to happen.
waxen frigate
The raids aren’t meant to be beaten in a week
warm plinth
Plus raid release would be an issue like it already is
waxen frigate
From what I’ve heard blizz doesn’t like that
But then sepulcher happened and they realized they kinda have to accommodate somewhat
warm plinth
And with it being mostly livestreamed now, you can't really do what I would've suggested in the past, which is to just base the race off who finishes first from the time of their reset.
waxen frigate
Just due to how rwf has evolved in the community organically
waxen frigate
And with it being mostly livestreamed now, you can't really do what I would've s...
Would require global release. No other solution imo
sick sentinel
i just feel like any time there is competition and friction it gets more ppl wanting to try it or talk about it
chilly brook
What’s the next level in your opinion
in all actuality they wouldn't need to add formatting or anything, it's already well formatted however what they would need to do imo if we wanted to see it be a bigger thing is just get more money behind it. Stuff like team transmog items etc. being sold to add to the pot and increase gains for teams competing would bring both more eyes and more players into the fold
waxen frigate
in all actuality they wouldn't need to add formatting or anything, it's already ...
So kinda like TI in dota? Crowdfunded prize pool?
chilly brook
Yeah that's not ever going to happen.
it could
FFXIV basically does this because they in house test everything lol
waxen frigate
The other issue is you really only have 2 competitive guilds
chilly brook
So kinda like TI in dota? Crowdfunded prize pool?
yea basically
waxen frigate
Arguably 3
south zealot
method is coming up as a third but yeah
waxen frigate
Yeah that’s the arguable one
warm plinth
BDGG put on a solid performance this tier
chilly brook
Well you kinda run into a problem here
Liquid and Echo have more to offer, so it's a bit hard to attract talent into the lower ranked guilds
south zealot
not just that
warm plinth
The 2 competitive guilds thing doesn't really matter either, from a Blizzard event perspective
You only ever really have 2 or 3 real competitors in the MDI too
south zealot
method was attenpting to use their own strats
chilly brook
having a better prize pool does increase interest for players who might not think about it otherwise
south zealot
iirc
sick sentinel
sometimes its nothin nothin nothin nothin nothiin oh its happening for change to come about
tsm of lcs
chilly brook
Method made a helluva showing this tier tbh
waxen frigate
Method made a helluva showing this tier tbh
Agreed
south zealot
method getting second over echo wouldve been fucking great to see
the content on twitter wouldve been wilf
wild
waxen frigate
You only ever really have 2 or 3 real competitors in the MDI too
Yeah but is MDI actually a good example of a successful esport
sick sentinel
i love mdi but i wish ot wasnt the echo and method show
chilly brook
tbh Method has constantly been getting better since reformation
south zealot
echo is wild
waxen frigate
Echo MDI is untouchable
chilly brook
I'd kinda use them to point to the idea that there is room for more than just two guilds at the top
waxen frigate
I feel like they will literally never lose until one or more retires
They just consistently do the most insane shit
I could see others maybe beating them in TGP but not MDI
sick sentinel
mdi is a good format bc there is always some wild ordumb shit happening
chilly brook
I feel like they will literally never lose until one or more retires
well you haven't seen me bud
south zealot
i love tgp
chilly brook
jk jk
waxen frigate
TGP is fun
south zealot
i watch every tgp
waxen frigate
I wish more people streamed proving grounds
south zealot
especially at work
waxen frigate
But I get why they don’t
chilly brook
no offense but you kinda got to be a lil insane to really be a monster in MDI
south zealot
the shit they did to ruby life pools
was crazy
i mean LITERALLY ALL the trash in the first area to first boss
cracked gamers
sick sentinel
free hold keys will be gross
waxen frigate
free hold keys will be gross
Well the cannon shit is gone
So freehold needs new strats
south zealot
kind of unfortunate
south zealot
i think equinox’s group didnt get through because they didnt know/use the tech
i THINK
still will be a crazy key though
south zealot
regardless
crude notch
Never forget when china didn't choke https://raider.io/mythic-dungeon-international/the-great-push-season-2/tournament
south zealot
i member
did those vods get deleted off youtube
i wanted to rewatch them recently and couldnt find it
warm plinth
China gamers are a different breed man. I legit think they'd destroy the competition if they had a bit more consistency. They just always seem to throw at some point and I think they just tilt after that.
south zealot
yes if they are playing well basically unbeatable
if a couple things go bad they just never seem to get going again
warm plinth
Used to watch Nasda's shit on youtube all the time in BFA
WAtching a BDK "tank" a 28 JY
Which was basically a BDK kiting a 28 JY
south zealot
nasda is a fire channel
crude notch
You can't find the one from that one, but there is vods for the Final one of SL
Wait no these are from the first one
hmm
warm plinth
Jordan you wanna cuddle tn
south zealot
You can't find the one from that one, but there is vods for the Final one of SL
any particular reason
theres vods of season 1 and season 4
but not the 2nd one
frozen rose
For mythic echo, I heard mentioned using defensive CDz during the shadow hit, for full health of the “shade”. I don’t understand . Anyone can put some light on that?
lusty grotto
@south zealot have you tried 23 ulda this week?
south zealot
i did 25 the other day
lusty grotto
did you do any route shenanigans?
warm plinth
I'll do your route shenanigans
lusty grotto
or pretty much the same one with the last pack skip
warm plinth
gottem
south zealot
helps a ton with kiting the basilisks
lusty grotto
for real
south zealot
normal route dont die and your time ez
lusty grotto
yeah just need decent dps
proper roost
first in two runs!
same!!
actually
i tied in my second run
i got orbed RIGHT at the end because i hesitated 😔
the maze is actually so fun lol
warm plinth
I should probably do that dungeon at some point...
crude notch
Skyhold maze races when?
daring marlin
It's fun af
proper roost
it's v fun
second run was way faster too
curious to see how long before it's not too uncommon to see deathless runs
proper roost
idk if it's even worth tbh
i THINK mirror sims well for me
but unsure
cuz the sim behavior is dif from real
and in that case i'd kinda rather not even do it tbh more time to play alts
daring marlin
did the last 3 mil of morchie
just bdk things
seems like more traps are spawning at least
modern gazelle
does demo shout reduce the damage of spell reflect?
since the incoming damage wouldve been reduced?
lusty grotto
no
modern gazelle
nice
lusty grotto
spell reflect acts before mit
modern gazelle
cool, just wish there was a way to tell pugs to not interrupt certain casts so i can reflect lol
sometimes its like 13% of my damage on a boss with a premade group cause i get every cast off of it
tropic linden
last 10% of deios down solo too
Any tips on how to stay alive as prot warrior?
daring marlin
gross
tropic linden
How to rotate CDs?
south zealot
how do i know when battle scarred veteran is avilable
tropic linden
Or a talent that is must
south zealot
is there a weakaura
tropic linden
This is what i need to tank deios?
fast knot
warm plinth
It is not fixed and it's dumb to run it.
crude notch
Have you tried not being garbage?
fossil cloud
Which weapon enchantment for the warrior tank is better? Frozen Devotion or Sophic Devotion
warm plinth
sophic
fossil cloud
how do you see my stats ?
lusty grotto
shrug
round pendant
Celery dad?
fossil cloud
way too much versa for my liking
how much is ok to take?
modern gale
with my eyes
Hi dad
lusty grotto
how much is ok to take?
what key levels are you doing?
sub 24, none
ive yet to be in a situation where i would say "whew that versa would save me"
fossil cloud
what key levels are you doing?
20-21
lusty grotto
go crit
fossil cloud
Thanks !
lusty grotto
haste > crit for the most part