protection

[uneven mason]

Prot doesn't play game 2

We just press buttons

I'm serious about the stat weights being close enough that optimizing and then resimming it can contradict itself

[scenic hollow]

I get that. But I can't imagine a world where Haste + mastery vs. haste + vers sims worse, no?

[warm plinth]

That can actually happen if your mastery is low, and since a lot of pwars incorrectly actively avoid mastery, it's not even that uncommon

[scenic hollow]

SUppose the game within a game for me is trying to build the best possible. Maybe I am the outlier

Even though, yeah, it's larely irrelevant

[warm plinth]

You're not. You're just incorrectly assuming that mastery is automatically bad.

[scenic hollow]

Actually, I never said that.

[warm plinth]

Okay, then why are the tier shoulders bad?

in you ropinion

your opinion*

[scenic hollow]

If sall stats were equal, it would be a zero-sum game....

[warm plinth]

So you are saying that mastery is bad then

[scenic hollow]

No

[warm plinth]

Then why are the tier shoulders bad?

[scenic hollow]

I am saying that verse may be better

[violet flume]

is it me or M+ is easier this season

16 deaths +19 nelth lair and low par dps and we time with 5min to spare

[warm plinth]

You literally said they were "bad", not that another piece of gear might be better.

[scenic hollow]

Relatively speaking, yes.

[uneven mason]

So not all stats are equal, but they all interact with each other

[scenic hollow]

Look, you';re just being argumentative

I cannot be bothered

You do you, mate

[warm plinth]

Well your question was answered so

[scenic hollow]

Ok, I move on

[dusky canopy]

VeRs Is BeTtEr

[uneven mason]

You said something - we're asking for clarification why you hold the opinion. No need to be defensive (stance)

[scenic hollow]

Are you guys the panel?

[scenic hollow]

So why are we not using mastery rings over verse?

Serious question

[uneven mason]

It's still the same season?

[violet flume]

i mean over season 1

[dusky canopy]

He assumed the tier shoulders are bad
We also assumed he meant mastery is bad

We explained why that was false

Proceeds to complain

LUL

[scenic hollow]

What?

[uneven mason]

I'm using crit haste and haste crit ATM - because that's what dropped for me

[violet flume]

giga wipefest with low dps in +19 in s1 would probably have led to guaranteed overtime but maybe nelths lair is easy on the timer

[scenic hollow]

I am asking for legitimate clarification on why, given a choice, you would use haste mastery over haste verse - when, given a choise in other slots, mastery is NEVER chosen.

Why is it only applicable to that slot?

[violet flume]

maybe i should just try for my +20s right away, idk if people are as picky for their +20s this season, felt impossible to get into in s1 until i cleared them all

[uneven mason]

On fort weeks, deaths happen in areas with a lot of travel anyway because it's almost 100% a clothies getting fucked by avalanch

So doesn't impact timer as much

[violet flume]

i guess, had a few brainfarters get in front of the big elemental frontals too

[dusky canopy]

Ok great back to reasonable discussion, Stats for us are actually very simple to much of X stat increases the value of Z and Y stat. So the best way to figure out what you want is to sim your current gear. You see high rated players using the tier shoulders because sim told them it was the best option.

[scenic hollow]

Thank you.

[dusky canopy]

Your welcome

[uneven mason]

It's not?

[violet flume]

personally i crafted legs because tier legs are crit/vers, no haste

[modern brook]

Smh

[violet flume]

its a lot of crit tho

so prob decent dps regardless

but i doubt it matters much ya

[modern brook]

If yall put the level of effort you put into deciding g if 300 mastery is worth jt or not I to managing your rage economy

[uneven mason]

Wtf Brew I explained that like 15minnago with less words

[dusky canopy]

You do not want 0 mastery

[viscid zodiac]

Is Prot warrior meta now as tank?

[dusky canopy]

some mastery is good

[modern brook]

No

[uneven mason]

Bear

[modern brook]

Meta also fucked cause of Aug mage

[uneven mason]

Mage getting the pole

[dusky canopy]

Some people need things explained multiple ways all good

[scenic hollow]

No, some people just cvome across as cunts, so get little credence

[modern brook]

[dusky canopy]

Hi bull 👋

That mage Aug combo kinda owns

Like too too good

[uneven mason]

Does it still?

[modern brook]

My hot take is Aug is overhyped

[uneven mason]

They ae capped mages

[modern brook]

Mage is not nerfed till next week so get your free ratin nowg

[uneven mason]

They shoulda silent hotfixed ut

[modern brook]

Probably

[dusky canopy]

Or they simply could of “fixed an un intended interaction”

[uneven mason]

Sorry your ability to process information is so shit people get fed up and have to explain it to you like a 5 year old.

[dusky canopy]

Whenever they say “Nerf”

It’s like giga trigger word

[modern brook]

People don't get how math works tbh

[scenic hollow]

Oh shit, huret a member of the board

[modern brook]

+3% is literally nothing wth -3% kills a class and removes it from the game

Like idk what the actual nerf nets out too

But fire mage is consistently hitting 400k overalls with aug

So like

If it's less than 50% they're still the best class in the game

[dusky canopy]

Right so instead of 490k it’ll be 400k

Lol

How terrible

[modern brook]

Yeah like the class will be fine

Not to mention they managed to make skb fun

And frost is silently gross too

[dusky canopy]

That was noms image from earlier

Like they’re going to be more than fine

Bunch of crying lol

[modern brook]

Do you have an opinion on Aug yet?

[modern gazelle]

silently?

nothing silent about how busted mage is

its getting nerfed in a week

augmentation is also OP in m+ in particular itll have to be nerfed its unreal how strong it is

[dusky canopy]

I’ve only played with one once and It seemed like I could tell when it was buffing me

It overalls it’s kinda whatever imo

At least so far

[modern brook]

I've played with a good one and very many dogshit ones lol

[modern gazelle]

the diff when you have their 30% armor buff on vs not is very noticeable makes you feel like a 20 is a 10

[modern brook]

I think it's uhhhh fine? I'm surprised how lukewarm on it I am which I guess is a good thing

I think it's just frustrating how out of the way it is to track its impact

[dusky canopy]

I like the concept I hope blizzard does a good job with it

[modern brook]

I think that's my problem with it

As a stand alone role I think it's too warping

[vocal verge]

The armor buff is 4-6% physical dr minimum and then the added strength is even more

Perty nice

[modern brook]

I will say it's like having old ele in the group again with how much aoe interrupt potential is has

[modern gazelle]

aug will be overpowered or dog shit for the future of wow

calling it

never gonna be balanced

[dusky canopy]

It definitely requires a good group to maximize its potential

That’s kinda what’s weird about it

[vocal verge]

Yeah the very coordinated and skilled groups are going to do wild stuff with it

[dusky canopy]

I just hope that doesn’t cause a ripple effect that makes it useless in average player gameplay

Due to “balancing”

[undone verge]

great, super fun and interesting too

needs a little help in ST, but in M+ its amazing

or more specifically 'raid'

can easily be fixed by buffing ebon mights base stat grant then nerfing the bonus to it when your in party by the same amount

[lusty grotto]

who the fuck is using verse

????

did you misstype crit for some reason?

[south zealot]

450 shoulders from the raid

[south zealot]

i use 2 crit haste rings and socket/enchant with haste crit

idea off piece is pants bc they dont have haste

[lusty grotto]

chaining the bird pack can be fun

especially when people dont wait for the knock to do them

lmaoooo

[south zealot]

i overtimed a halls by 4 seconds

ahhhhhhh

[lusty grotto]

dang

[south zealot]

everyone in our group had 1 stupid ass death we all couldve avoided

[lusty grotto]

[south zealot]

i accidentally charged into an orb on last boss and died

[lusty grotto]

bro

sometimes

when the orb goes from africa and through the boss

its really hard to make them out

happened to me yesterday, on a 23?

i was like where the fuck did this orb come from

i dont even know why orbs randomly do that

[south zealot]

they chillin

[lusty grotto]

go through the boss instead of around

its so weird

im guessing it could have been some feign/meld shenanigans or something idk

even though im positive they dont chase players

or actually im not sure

[pale hill]

so question, how do you mitigate Temporal Breath from Delos?

[lusty grotto]

wall

[pale hill]

its stupid hard.

[south zealot]

you dont really

you kinda get fucked and have your healer heal the shit out of you

[lusty grotto]

you have to wall and/or SR for the DR

thats about it

maybe demo but shrug

[south zealot]

holy

[warm plinth]

What dungeon?

[pale hill]

Fuck that dragon. I don't get it.

Question. Can someone tell me how much damage Temporal Breath in your dungeon journal?

[lusty grotto]

sorry ignore the first one, its flagged as m+

this one is mythic 0

dungeon journal sometimes bugs

[lusty grotto]

yikes

[south zealot]

hes actually a cracked gamer

[lusty grotto]

yeah i dont doubt it but thats still an L take

[south zealot]

halls of infusion

yeah he didnt insist on it which was good

i just ignored the message and we good

[lusty grotto]

are you going right or something?

what casts is he worried of?

[south zealot]

went left

[lusty grotto]

apparatus casts?

[south zealot]

said to help with apparatus yes

[lusty grotto]

hmm

caster group?

[south zealot]

mage priest evoker

[lusty grotto]

either way with standard shock and blinding light its not too bad

[south zealot]

yeah we were chillin

20 io is jicy

[lusty grotto]

ive been doing uldamans

[lusty grotto]

the amount of paladins i see that dont freedom the last boss dot

without sps

is a lot

[chilly brook]

@lusty grotto simpvoker is lit af

[lusty grotto]

it fucking is

i love me augvokers

[chilly brook]

for not even being 440ilvl kekw

[jagged pier]

thats a bad bear

[chilly brook]

what if I told you this was brackenhide

[jagged pier]

when u coming over to buff me

[chilly brook]

when blizz does cross region

[jagged pier]

[chilly brook]

took my key from an 11 to an 18 now

now it's time to just spam 18-20s to catch up

[jagged pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/832390254895300648.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[crude notch]

600+ messages. What'd you all even have to talk about without me here

[hazy bronze]

Don't forget the rest of LATAM

[crude notch]

Who

Smh moo

Just forgot LATAM like that

Cancelled

[hazy bronze]

Well if we're talking about suffering...

[jovial steeple]

do we need spellblock in every dungeon?

[crude notch]

nope

[jovial steeple]

could you tell me where i can skip it?

[crude notch]

Covered in the pins 🙂

[jovial steeple]

big uff... sry

ty

[sick sentinel]

https://youtu.be/xADSDapqn9o

[daring marlin]

yogi tank my 17 UR

[tropic gorge]

time to push some io

if yogi wont do it i will

[daring marlin]

bruh time rifts are banging

at 8 am

wtf

[tropic gorge]

woo theres an augvoker in this nelth pug

semi hype to see this

[cyan sorrel]

Love me some blistering scales ! 🙂

[uneven mason]

That's so ridiculous

[crude notch]

You're so ridiculous

[tropic gorge]

s othe boost from augs is pretty substantial

that was a fun run

that paladin hit just over 400k dps on the opening pull in nel18

[fading ginkgo]

kinda new to playing prot this season, how do you deal with the stealthed partol in HoI?

how do "we" deal with it, i guess, lol

[daring marlin]

MW continues to be the best healer in pugs

the true fan affix bros

[tropic gorge]

stealth pats are ez

demo or thunderclap

anything to break it

helps to know where they are tho

cause if they kidney you, youre fucked until it wears off

[fading ginkgo]

exactly, the other stealthed mobs stay put, but without spammable aoe, the patrol sometimes catches me

[jagged pier]

ravager

throw where they will be

can get the far ones easier as u break the close ones

[uneven mason]

Fun fact they can stun you mid leap

And stop the impact damage from breaking their stealth

[sick sentinel]

fully buffed haste

[tropic gorge]

that's some shit

yogi the haste god

[tropic gorge]

so i really like the augvokers

ya their dmg on the meter is pretty low but holy shit do they buff the everloving hell out of everyone else

[plush tendon]

I ran some keys last night with Aug+Hpal+Fire.... idk if its the affixes, but damn dude

oh and a enhacement shaman ❤️

[sick sentinel]

how many stealth 3 potions do you keep in your bags

or whatever stealth version you use, but im assuming most of you use

the other 2 potions is only 12 and 15 seconds for bronze and silver rank respectively, so i hardly think it'd be worth to buy those, evne tho reality you probably only need like, 4 seconds of invis for even the hardest invis skip

[proper roost]

i don't anymore

invis skips aren't really a thing this season

well i have like 5 just in case some wacko wants to but

[daring marlin]

mostly a rlp tjs thing I think in s1

[sick sentinel]

its makes after boss 1 in lair very fast

[proper roost]

huh

wha

huh??

[daring marlin]

for what?

Like genuine curiosity

[sick sentinel]

regardless of where this guy is on his mini-patrol

it saves tiny amounts of time

and invis is you can run right past yellow never have to pull them WITHOUT waiting

[proper roost]

i cant rn

tired

[sick sentinel]

like, for the first dude, hovered over, (i dunno wtf this route, looks bad) its a time lose if you have to strafe to left to not aggro him and it risks ass pulling ones to your left

invis potion, eseciallly 18 second gold rank 3 one, you can just, hit it and walk by no problems at all, right on top of him basically

[daring marlin]

yogi his pat never matters

I've never waited

[sick sentinel]

true, you just introduce risks if you attempt to let go of W skip no invis potion him

[daring marlin]

there is no risk though

hugging right is enough

[sick sentinel]

its only a very minor amount of time you would lose like, 1 second is worst case

i prefer invis potion personally for that

[daring marlin]

Losing a dps pot is the real downside

dps pot kinda big

[sick sentinel]

tbh i use invis potions, and hp potions (spam) only a bit of using potion of power

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-sunakook-tired-exhausted-gif-24687868

@proper roost

[crude notch]

rip my sanity

[proper roost]

i'm getting old and i am dying

[south zealot]

most of the tanks i see when ppl post overall dont do enough damage

[proper roost]

have you just considered that you're cracked beyond belief choco

[south zealot]

i have considered it

but im also kind of a moron

[daring marlin]

damn zoomer reflexes

let's be real tho, people are just bad at pressing their cds on cd

[south zealot]

[daring marlin]

ESPECIALLY tanks a lot of the time

[toxic pewter]

Not me

[south zealot]

and people play overly defensive

[crude notch]

They do it in every game too

[toxic pewter]

Not me

[south zealot]

some would rather sit in dstance than rotate their defensives

[daring marlin]

I'm just thinking of the doge meme

[toxic pewter]

Ngl playing bear makes me remember how annoying stances really are lmao

[crude notch]

I had a Lucian who literally got to level 11 without pressing his ult once earlier pissed af

[south zealot]

hes saving for a good time

duh

[toxic pewter]

Wtf is a Lucian

[crude notch]

League champ

[toxic pewter]

I see

[crude notch]

Basically the button pressing thing is just a people thing and not exclusively a wow thing

[daring marlin]

simple as

[crude notch]

Also, I share this gem from Peak of Serenity

Need a jungle meta in m+

[south zealot]

holy cope

[crude notch]

Right

Like come on brother.

[south zealot]

instead of 500k overall they do like 400k now

[crude notch]

What would phys comp be right now?

Enhance, Sub, Still Augvoker...

[south zealot]

even if the meta were physical dps you just bring guardian

[crude notch]

What's even worse is this was from MW channel.

But yeah it'd be Bear, HPal, Enhance, Sub, Aug would be my guess

[south zealot]

mistweavers dont exist

[crude notch]

Which isn't a "physical comp" imo

[south zealot]

yeah enhance and sub are like damn near half magic

[daring marlin]

MWs that do exist are unicorns

always pros

[south zealot]

i had a mw in a key i did a couple days ago

[toxic pewter]

Warr, monk, aug, mm hunter, feral druid

[south zealot]

did pretty solid

[daring marlin]

this polearm from time rift vendor is sick

[crude notch]

Okay Aug is stupid.

29 nelth and hoi are in the books.

[toxic pewter]

That me

[daring marlin]

no me

you're a furry

[toxic pewter]

Wat u mean

[daring marlin]

yes

[toxic pewter]

O cuz I play bear now

true

[daring marlin]

playable mole people when

[toxic pewter]

They will be new race and Tuskaar

😂

[crude notch]

Billy played frost in UR or swapped to fire midway

[tropic gorge]

alright. car washed. errands ran

[south zealot]

why

[tropic gorge]

time to play some vidya

[crude notch]

No idea.

[south zealot]

[crude notch]

Although that might be wrong altogether you can tell they didn't have rio tracker on for it because of Nerf's raid talents

[tropic gorge]

yessss

[crude notch]

Yip looks like he's tryna do 28 UR on every tank.

[tropic gorge]

man, ur is kinda difficult for me and some of the pugs i get into

i cant imagine that shit on a 28

[crude notch]

VDH, HPal, Balance, Enhance, Aug.

That's a comp

[south zealot]

ive bricked 3 24 underrots

one of them was arguably my fault though

[crude notch]

What's your guys favorite Monk race?

[daring marlin]

belf

[tropic gorge]

dwarf. because its the best race

can dwarves even be monks? lmao

[south zealot]

pands

[crude notch]

Yes

Everyone can be Monk except lizard

I have to try this no button build

For Brew

[daring marlin]

lol someone bought this 379 staff for 5k

who does that

[crude notch]

Me

[toxic pewter]

Vulpera

[crude notch]

Whenever I hit max level this past two weeks I bought all 379 gear.

Weppys are the only pieces above like 50g though.

[daring marlin]

someone else bought drogbar stones for 1k

weirdos

[crude notch]

WE GET IT APB YOU'RE A FURRY

[toxic pewter]

Oh wait

Make it a mechagnome

That sounds fun

[daring marlin]

mechano

[crude notch]

Gdark your name seems familiar, I think I saw it when looking at logs.

[vocal verge]

Just quest into loam. Ez weapon

[crude notch]

Mechagnome racial on any other race would actually make everyone mald and race swap

But because people hate the aesthetics of mechagnome no one cares

[toxic pewter]

Love mechagnome

[crude notch]

This on the low quality end of baits apb

And I say that as someone with 13 gnomes at max level.

[toxic pewter]

This me when I wake up in morning

[vocal verge]

Maybe. I haven’t posted any logs on here myself though

[daring marlin]

if zandalari had boots

[crude notch]

Not in here

I'm always watching

[daring marlin]

a good portion of my characters would be zandalari

[crude notch]

Everyone

All of you

[toxic pewter]

I mean gnome is better that’s true

[crude notch]

👀

[vocal verge]

Lol

[toxic pewter]

I like mecha too though

[crude notch]

Actually I need to do a breakdown of races of my max toons

[ashen coral]

Hi, do you have advice for deios ? I am 437 ilvl, I do use the spell block (does it work though ?) but the dot is too much, sometimes it is enough but it’s entirely thanks to the healer

[daring marlin]

human, human, kul tiran

atm

[proper roost]

i forgot, choco is like 18

he's just skill gapping us because of his age

😔

[toxic pewter]

Why they call them kul tiran and not kul tiran human in game

[proper roost]

no other reason

[left basalt]

Is yogis 20 today? Y’all gonna stream?

[proper roost]

i think ghash's internet might be on the fritz

[timber nest]

Any tips for Deios?

[toxic pewter]

Just gotta rotate defensives

[hallow phoenix]

Yell at your healer to actually heal you

[toxic pewter]

Literally have a button up for each breath

Spell block doesn’t work on the dot portion but I think it works for the initial hit

[timber nest]

i have been

i still die

[proper roost]

yeah welcome to playing pwar

[timber nest]

ive been forcved to sit in defensive stance

[proper roost]

the solutions that were posted are the solutions

fullstop

[crude notch]

Here it is

[proper roost]

it requires external healing for any tank except bdk, period, atm

[crude notch]

LOS it

[toxic pewter]

Goblin Jordan

Time for goblin monk

[crude notch]

Goblin deez

[toxic pewter]

They are new race

For monk

[crude notch]

Oh true

[toxic pewter]

Actually could be cool as they sorta rare

[proper roost]

huh

[crude notch]

apb you're such a big picture thinker

[proper roost]

goblin monks have been around for a while haven't theyu

[crude notch]

no

they got added with worgen

[proper roost]

why do you hate goblins

goblins own

[crude notch]

in 10.0.7

[proper roost]

so many elves smh......

[crude notch]

Honestly I disliked their character models until the update in.... whenever that was

[proper roost]

female goblins are the mathematically superior version of female gnomes

they're sassy

and kind of dumb

it owns

[crude notch]

So just like me

sassy and kind of dumb

this the cutest shit ever https://twitter.com/plkatv/status/1680229718027542528?s=20

Plka (@plkatv)

My fiance got this for me as a gift this morning. This is next level T_T

Twitter · Jul 15, 2023, 2:55 PM

[proper roost]

oh god the time rifts are so laggy

wtf

[craggy pilot]

can someone send me the route of Nelth to go giga?

[tropic gorge]

damn dps almost bricked my fh17

made it with 4m 28sec to spare. 18 freaking deaths

chunky dps body pulling skipped pats = good time

[proper roost]

In what world is timing a key by almost 5 minutes "almost bricking" it

[crude notch]

"almost bricked my +17"
"4m 28s to spare"

oh

kanga said the same thing

LUL

[proper roost]

time rift lag

[crude notch]

bruh yeah

they're "looking into it"

[proper roost]

man i almost bricked my key i only made it with 20% extra time to spare

🤪

almost hit another car on the highway today they were 5 lanes over

[crude notch]

LMAO

1m30s off +2'ing it, almost depleted that sucker.

[daring marlin]

bruh there are SO MANY PEOPLE

especially when you fight the boss

[tropic gorge]

the group had io, completed runs and ilvl to 2 chest it. we also had 18 deaths 😦

[crude notch]

You're gonna have deaths in FH

[daring marlin]

17 key spam

wooooooo

[tropic gorge]

sometimes yes. but the death waves from silly dps was redic made me sad

but. next!

[crude notch]

You're gonna be really sad though if you have the mental of timing by 5m is "almost bricking"

[daring marlin]

How are you guys training today?

@dusky canopy

[tropic gorge]

it was 83f earlier when i washed my car. i was sweating like a whore in church. so its an easy day

[proper roost]

very weak mental indeed

[daring marlin]

85f here so not too bad

[tropic gorge]

its gonna rain later today so the humidity is at insane levels

[daring marlin]

after another key I think I'm gonna take the ol' fitness bag out for some rucking

[sand hound]

are my stat balances ok?
2162 crit 6117 haste 1590 mastery 3259 vers

[tropic gorge]

how much does it weigh and how far do you go

[daring marlin]

It's just 50lb

prolly go for 5 miles

[tropic gorge]

almost the standard combat load

i think?

its been years lmao

do you wear shoes or use boots

[daring marlin]

I did a 100lb bag when I first got it and wasn't used to it and uh

that was something

[tropic gorge]

yeah going that heavy the first time could cause injuries or strains\pulls

[south zealot]

[daring marlin]

My conditioning was pretty shit at the time anyway

way better now comparatively

[tropic gorge]

do you bring a kamelbak or anything?

i forget how that's spelled

i need a scale to weigh my ruck. i have an osprey that empty is like 2lb but with all my gear its quite hefty

[chilly brook]

Anywhere from like 45lbs to about 100

Obviously depends on what you’re bringing lol

[tropic gorge]

sucks to be the 240 guy

lmao

those drums + a barrel gets heaaaavy

[chilly brook]

I think about 70 is what’s recommended for approach and if you’re going with a “combat load” it’s down to like 50lbs recommended

[chilly brook]

Nah fam sucks to be the AG, they usually get stuck with the barrel and the ammo

[tropic gorge]

haha

i was in a pog unit and the assigned 240 sucker and had to carry it all

[chilly brook]

Are you a big boi?

[tropic gorge]

negative. i'm 5,9 and weighed in last month at 192lbs

[chilly brook]

Oof

[tropic gorge]

slightly chunky and overweight by dod height and weight standards, but i'm not that bad

[chilly brook]

Usually it’s always the big boi who gets it

[tropic gorge]

my cardio is semi decent tho. i climed 256 stairs or so at a lighthouse in pensacola last month and made it up without stopping or being winded. i was proud af

the legit big boi was a 6'3 kansas corn bread guy

but he was a bitch

[crude notch]

Why would a whore sweat in a church?

[chilly brook]

Before I kinda got dream crushed I was in decent enough shape for a big boi

[daring marlin]

My cardio got better when I started doing 2 hours of the staristepped three times a week

[tropic gorge]

do you swim at all guilford?

[chilly brook]

I need to start working out again and get serious about being in shape

[daring marlin]

naw

[tropic gorge]

cardio is a man's best friend

i could use more

[chilly brook]

First semester of college I went from 290 to 235

[tropic gorge]

trying? drugs?

cause that's impressive af

that is a lifestyle change weight drop

[chilly brook]

Working out 3x a day and eating bland af

Remedial PT, PT and running with the Cross Country team

I was running my 2 mile in 13 minutes

[tropic gorge]

running like that will shread weight

damn dude

[chilly brook]

At 6’1” and 235

[tropic gorge]

my best 2mile was downrange at 14 something

shit

you slenderman

lmao

[chilly brook]

Not so much anymore lol

[crude notch]

235 is slender for 6'1"?

Nice I'm slender!

[tropic gorge]

when dudes get over 6ft the weight really changes for what i think of as heavy

[chilly brook]

Had a heart thing pop up before commission though and got axed

[tropic gorge]

200+ for me at 5'9 and most dudes it seems under 5'10 or so

[chilly brook]

[tropic gorge]

oh that sucks

but when guys get over 6ft, the ones at or under 200 are always beanpoles

or at least what ive noticed

[chilly brook]

It is what it is, stuff happens was a good experience at least.

[tropic gorge]

you go anywhere?

[crude notch]

hell if he don't change his ways

[tropic gorge]

i got to go to some cool places and do some pretty cool shit for a pog

[chilly brook]

Just Knox lol

[tropic gorge]

boooo

[mint pike]

Man I'm 6'3" at 195 and I definitely have a bit of a gut and love handles. Not fat but definitely getting there. 195 all muscle would be ideal

[chilly brook]

Ima be real if I started getting back into fitness and someone offered me the sauzle I don’t think I could say no lol

[fluid ledge]

does anyone have a tip for Chrono-Lord Deios to survive the breath?

[mint pike]

Idk I went into it on my VDH yesterday worried about the dmg from ppl in this discord talking about it but it wasn't scary at all. But then again fel dev, fiery brand, and 8 stacks of frailty makes anything easy lol

Will have to try it on my warrior today

[fluid ledge]

like i can survive the first with wall but after that i can just scream have mercy

[mortal dagger]

1 st should be last stand n demo

Into shield wall

[mint pike]

I would guess run a def trinket like the NL or BH one. You can DR with Spell Reflect every other, pair that with a trinket and rotate through demo shout, last stand, then wall again?

[mortal dagger]

After intermission go for spellblock

[mint pike]

Don't forget to go a raid build too

[mortal dagger]

And use def stance b4 wing buffet

Cuz it s not physical

[dusky canopy]

Training what homie? Yogi for a 20? or lifting?? Lol

[south zealot]

i’m training by staying alive

its so fucking hot

[chilly brook]

Yo when that Yogi 20 today?

Simpboi is ready

[dusky canopy]

Ghash said tonight I think

[chilly brook]

Oh oof

[dusky canopy]

I’m outta town unfortunately but I definitely want to watch the vod

8pm cst I think he scheduled it

[chilly brook]

Gonna be out this afternoon and I think the group that picked me up for mythic starts their second night at 8

[dusky canopy]

How do you like raiding weekends griff?

[chilly brook]

I prefer some combination of t/w/th but scheduling isn’t allowing it

[fluid ledge]

Mochie damage looks good

[dusky canopy]

That’s kinda where I’m at too

[chilly brook]

Generally though it’s fine

Not the first time I’ve done a weekend raid

[dusky canopy]

That fury warrior is confused they think they’re an avoker with that damage

[fluid ledge]

heal died at like 40%

[dusky canopy]

Im thinking I might have to open up to weekend nights give it a shot

[crude notch]

bruh what even is that dungeon

Everyone including you is doing dogshit damage

[modern brook]

Weekend raiding is a trap

[crude notch]

out of context details for 500, alex

[modern brook]

Don't commit your day off to wow

[proper roost]

morchie has a lot of downtime

but yeah

even with that considered it's really bad

[dusky canopy]

Yeah bull that’s been my thought process so far

[chilly brook]

I mean I’d usually be gaming anyways lol

I wouldn’t recommend weekend day or morning raiding that’s just weird tho

[sick sentinel]

freehold new lair/sbg

[crude notch]

what addon is that

[sick sentinel]

narcissus, be forewarned, its a suite of addons sort of

[crude notch]

oh that's part of narcissus

well then

[sick sentinel]

doesnt just change like, 1 thing, but its mostly an improved pause menu

if i was making wow brand new as an indie dev i'd make my pause menu crap something alot like that

[sick sentinel]

lol that youtube thumbnail

i like how bear aug hpal and spriest are all normal cards and the mage is the effect card

[hardy snow]

what does it have to do with protection warrior?

[chilly brook]

Izen is trash content

Man meta analyses but has no concept of actual game mechanics

[south zealot]

yeah last time i saw a video it was just him saying the meta comp and being like yeah these classes are really good right now in the game

and had no actual insight

not my type of content personally

[south zealot]

there’s a tank spec in the thumbnail

prot is a tank

gg

[proper roost]

sight on dn

[chrome falcon]

does this patch change anything for us

is there anything in it i actually care about

or can i keep raid logging

[proper roost]

don't play if you're burned out

addicted weirdos

imagine playing a game to have fun

[sick sentinel]

what do you mean burnt out

[proper roost]

very funny yogi

[chrome falcon]

we're progging sark rn

so

if there are any performance increases in the patch i want to get them

but seems like there aren't

[crude notch]

Did you upgrade your myth gear to 447?

[chrome falcon]

thanks for calling me weird though

ya i got 6 ilvls on my cloak

[sick sentinel]

if i gave up 4 weeks worth of vaults i could have 2 447 2 hands

crafted ones

i dont know how many currency you can get maxiimum a week, i get 6, which is socket or half spark

[proper roost]

yw stop being weird about fomo ce

addiction havers..

[crude notch]

i love you kanga

lol

[proper roost]

ppl so fucking weird and cringe about prog

[south zealot]

wdym man do u not spam the game all day everyday until boss dies

[proper roost]

nah it's worse

"i hate prog so i'm gonna raidlog for weeks and complain about it"

yeah that's a normal thought process

and ofc they'll never self reflect on it

[dusky canopy]

Ngl if life allowed me to do it I would raid 8 hours a day until boss died

[south zealot]

only 8 hours

[dusky canopy]

Well yeah gotta give the other 8 for keys and random screwing off in game

[chilly brook]

I wouldn’t lol

I’d lose my mind

Not because of the raid but because of people making me stay online for 8 hours at a time on one boss

[proper roost]

the time rift is so laggy that the boss took a solid 2 minutes to spawn

SHEESH

[modern gazelle]

my god i just ran halls of infusion for the first time in a while

that dungeon is the worst

[south zealot]

what about it

[proper roost]

the timer is really lenient

think it's pretty good rn tbh

[sick sentinel]

alot smoother fh

warrior died to everything

[crude notch]

poggers

[proper roost]

yoooo lets go yogi

[chilly brook]

Nice

[left basalt]

4th day in a row with another 20
4/8 now 🙂

[modern gazelle]

the mob packs are really annoying

if people arent on top of kicks especially

what do you guys swap out for neltharus to have spell block?

[south zealot]

bloodsurge

pretty much your only option

[proper roost]

it's in the pins

[modern gazelle]

i know but it gives 2 options

wondering what you guys swap

[south zealot]

taking spellblock feels bad but you gotta do what you gotta do

[modern gazelle]

idk if i need it but prob should bring it just in case i figure

[sick sentinel]

prot warrior would be busted cracked if we had extra point for spell block

[round pendant]

wondering if I should level a druid or a priest

I'm a tank boi at heart so I was thinking druid but I do kinda want to try disc

[modern gazelle]

so do most of you swap bloodsurge for spellblock then or anyone doing punish?

or punish on fort weeks and bloodsurge on tyr weeks?

[jagged pier]

U domt drop punish, its really strong that dr stacking on really hard hitting fort mobs goes a long way

Espeically with how often u press ss

[sick sentinel]

how many bosses in is sennarth, he has a cloak on normal i need

probbly easy af to get a group for that

[south zealot]

third boss technicslly

[sick sentinel]

is he a pug destroyer

[cedar river]

what addon is that for the timer?

[lusty grotto]

its the very first m+ wa that yogi hasnt changed

[sick sentinel]

that ones gotta go fast

[lusty grotto]

literally the first one when keys went live in legion

[sick sentinel]

i think its older

there is not very much code in that one

i like the timer style

[cedar river]

i know i can find something on wowhead to explain this but i see some people goinf or crist haste and some going fo rhaste vers

[lusty grotto]

no

[cedar river]

crafting a bunch of pieces. should i go with haste vers? currently 31% crit, 24 haste, 9 vers, 19 mast

[sick sentinel]

ah shit, here we go again

[lusty grotto]

jesus christ

well at least yogi's comment is accurate

gj yogi

[cedar river]

i mean i checked the pinned messages first and there wasn't anything after the patch. that's why i asked

[crude notch]

older than legion? When M+ came out?

[lusty grotto]

haste crit

[cedar river]

ty

[crude notch]

because nothing changed statwise ?

[charred ivy]

last boss in new dungeon any tips? feels like breath is nuking me?

[cedar river]

alright relax. I haven't played this since midway through season 1. I asked a question. shoot me

[daring marlin]

I gotta do 10 more keys

wewlad

[lusty grotto]

wall/sr for dr/demo

also i posted this https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/chrono-lord-deios-temporal-breath-is-not-spell-blockable-bug-or-intended/1632171

not that it matters, i swear to god they never see that shit

[round pendant]

sennarth? sennarth is braindead

[charred ivy]

wall etc doesnt seem to be enough?

[lusty grotto]

wall is enough

[charred ivy]

doesnt make any sense if i need use whole kit for 1

[lusty grotto]

you dont

you cant stack defensives, thats a bad idea

[jagged pier]

Its not supposed to be, they might make it eventually when m+ becomes a thing

[chilly brook]

D stance+insert defensive here for each breath

[jagged pier]

But the only dot u can block is sarc dots because they deigned that in mind

[charred ivy]

yeah i do that but almost get nuked every breath anyway xD hardly manage

[lusty grotto]

d stance + wall + sr

d stance + demo + sr

thats all you can do

[round pendant]

using demo as a defensive

YUCKERS

[lusty grotto]

you dont have a choice

[round pendant]

yeah I know

It just feels bad

[lusty grotto]

especially if they are undergeared

[chilly brook]

D stance+last stand

[lusty grotto]

thats going too far griff

[chilly brook]

[charred ivy]

any other thing tank need to do?

[chilly brook]

D stance+shield from simpvoker

[lusty grotto]

true true griff

[round pendant]

die + cr

my favourite defensive

[sick sentinel]

i don't need a bunch of pretty pictures

i need numbers

[charred ivy]

actually its not the hit itself that kill me as much as debuff that last forever

i use Impending victory etc

[round pendant]

just yell HEALERS ADJUST

[lusty grotto]

yes the dot

[round pendant]

wait, wrong game

[lusty grotto]

but the dot is healable

[sick sentinel]

i am going to get invincible today, right now btw

[devout oyster]

Do you guys have a bit vers or just purely stack haste crit?

[round pendant]

haste crit

[charred ivy]

the hit itself is np actually for me its this dot i dont heal myself enough to help

[sick sentinel]

i know some of you might doubt it, and say it wont happen but i assure it it wil

[south zealot]

i have some of every stat

[round pendant]

you're guaranteed to have some other stats anyway

just go haste crit on everything you have a choice on

[devout oyster]

Alright tyvm

[waxen orbit]

Ayo

What's a good healer to play if I'm a warr 1 trick that loves the consistent buttonmashing that prot entails

?

[chilly brook]

Probably Mw

You do big heals by doing big dam

[lusty grotto]

griff

how are you casually ignoring hpal

[jagged pier]

I would say anys fine but disc

[lusty grotto]

but truth be told

[jagged pier]

Because there arent any good discs around

[lusty grotto]

i dont know if there are any one trick pony heals

[jagged pier]

Well there are good ones but they are very rare

[lusty grotto]

button smashing isnt a thing healers do tbh, there's cd management and shit

melee healers might be the closest thing but its still not button smashing

[waxen orbit]

Disc was the only real one I resonated with

[lusty grotto]

aside from dumping holy power on sotr

[waxen orbit]

But that was WoD

[chilly brook]

haven't paid attention to them and idk how the changes they got this patch impacted playstyle

[lusty grotto]

they are the meta pick

high as fuck damage

[chilly brook]

me no pay attention to healers

they're irrelevant to me

[lusty grotto]

youre gonna see a lot of hpals

[chilly brook]

press buttons

me do dam

[proper roost]

actual healing output wise everyone's pretty similar

but yeah hpally damage is insane

[sick sentinel]

ya'll ready to be spammed "Attack!" every 5 seconds in a key until the key ends

[proper roost]

Pretty sure blizz was told a bunch of times during ptr so I doubt it'll change tbh

[sick sentinel]

come 10.1.7

[south zealot]

ive only seen ellesmere on hpal

[proper roost]

ya there definitely are

but it's just like tanking

there are only a very few one trick tanks

there are only a very few one trick heals

for high level play

[proper roost]

it's kinda dumb to not reroll if you're intent on pushing

because healing is healing, tanking is tanking

[south zealot]

i mean in prior seasons too

[proper roost]

Not really that different at the end of the day doesn't matter what spec you play

[south zealot]

only ever seen him on hpal

[lusty grotto]

ellesmere is perma hpal

kinda like im perma prot war

[proper roost]

Yeah choco wasn't saying he only saw ellesmere hpal

he's saying..

wait, the wording is so bad

[south zealot]

LMAO

[proper roost]

Sighdge

[lusty grotto]

idk lol

[south zealot]

i think we get it

but yeah

[proper roost]

do we

[lusty grotto]

oh

[proper roost]

starege

[lusty grotto]

yeah i get it now

ive played hpal though

chipadin started in bfa, and the corruptions made it fun

[south zealot]

i havent ONLY seen ellesmeres hpal and noone elses but ive only seen him play hpal instead of any other healer

[lusty grotto]

yup

[proper roost]

most onetricks probably just take a break

if they're really in the dumps

[lusty grotto]

well

[south zealot]

yeah think it depends

[lusty grotto]

it depends

i only unsubbed in SL cause i was tired of the game

[south zealot]

like s4 prot warrior was still solid so you could still push high

[lusty grotto]

yeah i did fine in S4

when i resubbed

[south zealot]

but if you were prot in s1/s2 shadowlands you were kinda fucked

[lusty grotto]

thats when i had to do keys on zuania

my dh

[proper roost]

I mean most people take a break anyway

I don't know anyone who played hardcore like literally the entire time they were playing

[lusty grotto]

yeah its the healthy approach

[proper roost]

the tauren totem weapon transmog isn't as big as I thought it'd be

it's sort of disappointing

[crude notch]

relatable

[proper roost]

actually I think my issue with it is

it's held like halfway up the totem

but I wanted to hold it like a baseball bat

get a real big bonk in you know

this is more like a.... medium bonk

kind of a sideswipe

[lusty grotto]

this is how they held them in wc3

but i get what youre saying

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/appurajosh-gif-22180913

[crude notch]

Show us how you'd hold the totem kanga

uwu

[ashen coral]

Hello, does bloodsurge really make a difference ? I am starting to get lazy to swap between spell block build and bloodsurge depending on the key

[lusty grotto]

its the preferred talent to swap for spell block dungeons as indicated in the pins

it makes a difference but its minimal compared to other for uldaman/nelth

[proper roost]

yeah i know it's how it's supposed to be

[ashen coral]

Yes I saw it, but I wonder if it’s ok to keep it every time

[proper roost]

but I want to bonk

i don't want to side swipe the totem

it's not bonky

😔

[lusty grotto]

what do you mean

[crude notch]

they're too lazy to swap

[lusty grotto]

oh

[crude notch]

so they're asking if it's okay to just use it all the time

which obviously it is

[lusty grotto]

i wouldn't

[crude notch]

that's why it's the suggested talent to drop

[ashen coral]

I heard people adivsing to swap spell block for specific dungeon but it’s annoying to swap these abilities every tmime

[crude notch]

but like honestly why are you really that lazy

[lusty grotto]

make 2 builds 1 with spell block and 1 without

[crude notch]

clicking one button and clicking accept

[ashen coral]

Because i always forget to do it x)

[lusty grotto]

or install an addon to help you remember which talents you pick

[crude notch]

that's why you get the wa that prompts you

same as a decurse in certain dungeons wa

you just have it check for splock in nelth and uldaman and you're set and you'll never forget

[balmy pawn]

There is a WA that’s like “hey, you’re in Neltharus without Spellblock?”

[crude notch]

not hard to make

[proper roost]

What exactly are you doing when you get into a M+

sitting there brain off instead of thinking about what the key will be like and planning talents is like

the entire point of ready checking before a key

and also your job as a tank

[vapid wedge]

Changing my Playlist last minute buffs and making sure I have a drink with one on deck what else is there to do

[south zealot]

usually watching other people do higher keys

[sick sentinel]

im cutting some of these way too close

[south zealot]

why sre you spamming freeholds

[sick sentinel]

free aspects and chance at mount

i actually need aspects now, so, this dungeon guarantees i complete it on time

its a safe and reliable farm

[proper roost]

no i'm asking them what they're doing as they're showing up to the dungeon

as they're all frazzled about changing talents

but their answer told me enough

[sick sentinel]

will probably do a bunch of under rot later if i get the mount from freehold

same reasons, basically free,

[south zealot]

yeah ik sometimes i forget to change talents but im too busy watching keys

[left basalt]

bump them up to 17's, hero gear then

[errant leaf]

^

[sick sentinel]

can something give me anoth charge of leapr in keyts???

might be aug

[south zealot]

evokers yes

class tree capstone time spiral

[olive bay]

Outside of brez, is there anything specific that Druids just flat out do better than warriors?

IE, would it be worth gearing up a guardian druid if I'm wanting to push 23-25s? Would it be easier to do them with Guardian > Prot?

[uneven mason]

Not really

[limber prawn]

Is it worth it to craft the weapon at 447, cant seem to get forgestorm to drop?

I know that as soon as I craft it storm is gonna be in the vault though

[sick sentinel]

i think its more that they do beter dps than us and they support mages

[olive bay]

How do they support mages?

[uneven mason]

If you're better at bear, do bear, but there's nothing that any tank is going to struggle with, at those key ranges is more about your groups execution

[sick sentinel]

im pretty sure they put some kind of +3% dps debuff onto enemies they attack

[uneven mason]

Vers buff

But that's druids overall

Same could be said for vdh

[olive bay]

ya

I hate DH ..

[sick sentinel]

VDH arguably better for magic debuff

[uneven mason]

Just play what you're good at, will matter more

[olive bay]

I think I'm a decent tank? IDK, sometimes I feel like I absolutely fucking suck and just get carried by my dps/healer

[sick sentinel]

like, why isn't VDH picked atm

just dps as main factor

[south zealot]

they do more dam and can live some sketchy ass situations easier bc of incarn

they also bring a better party buff and have insane group healing

[uneven mason]

But if you're not already geared and rolling one it's not a good idea to meta chase, as chances are bears will get an aura nerf soon

[south zealot]

an aura nerf is unlikely

[sick sentinel]

i expect they will "fix" mages druids and paladins

why doesn't affilction play with the comp, seed of destruction or whatever

[uneven mason]

I mean the aura is there to be the tuning knob

[south zealot]

because fire mage does more

[sick sentinel]

i'd imagine pumping an affli would be crazy on pulls

[south zealot]

aura nerfing bear just doesnt make sense

[uneven mason]

Imagine forgetting to target cap flamestrike

[south zealot]

yeah that actually is pretty strange

[uneven mason]

It's been that way since SL

It's just that flamestrike was uh... clunky AF to use before the revsmp

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAbICnlt8v8

no, the real flamestrike

[proper roost]

it would be easier

[crude notch]

there's plenty of things that aren't target capped homie

[proper roost]

but there's a decent chance bear will get nerfed

gamba ig

[uneven mason]

Yeah just in the case of "we're going to super buff this thing" oh shadowlands season 1, what do you mean do I remember it?"

[olive bay]

What about Druid would make it easier?

[proper roost]

🤨

[olive bay]

Just their damage?

[proper roost]

Huh?

what

do you just not know what bears do

I'm pretty sure when I scrolled up people explained why they're meta rn

[uneven mason]

They did

[proper roost]

idk if you're baiting or what

[olive bay]

I’m not an expert on high-level key tanking dude, that’s why I’m here… To learn.

[proper roost]

but okge!

[uneven mason]

But again if you're not used to playing one..

[proper roost]

it won't really matter

because tank skill ceiling is low af pretty purposefully

[crude notch]

They literally told you why

[proper roost]

outside of brm dps minmaxing

maybe

[crude notch]

Honestly the only reason Bear is "easier" to obtain 23-25s rn is social pressure.

[uneven mason]

True and the fr buff + whi basically gives you a pseudo cheat

[proper roost]

ye

easier to get into groups is the biggest factor of everything

when pugging

because doing more keys is the biggest factor

so spending less time signing up to keys = you do more keys = higher io

if no issues signing up or have a team then play w/e

I want to raid on my warrior today 😦

but not until monday

[south zealot]

druid is easy and groups specifically want bear sometimes

[lusty grotto]

yes the biggest factor here is group accessibility

all tanks can do well

[proper roost]

would be p much the same for ppal as well currently

anyways

[lusty grotto]

balance is pretty near for each other

[proper roost]

the bear meta isn't really a thing if hpal wasn't also there

[lusty grotto]

there are some fine tuning to be done concerning dps but yea

[proper roost]

matching puzzle pieces