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healer balance def the worst it's been since ashen s1/s2 me thinks
Blizzard not make hpal the meta healer in M+, challenge (impossible)
ashen was so fucking trash
It was beans
But it slapped
Then you did nothing
And had the boomie heal
until next ashen
I can play the game every 4mins
lol
And then ppal ran that shit for raid in Sanctum.
gonna have to agree ashen was pretty fucking dumb
nimchipadin healed a few low level keys on her time (in SL)
weird duality of venthyr spells
they didn't tune covenants hard enough, made me sad.
but I think rather the fact that they have nerfed a lot of the healing checks, like
I dunno
it's a lot easier to heal everything in keys now by an insane amount and i wouldn't be surprised if that's a large contributing factor to healer balance rn
well yeah because hpal isn''t the best "healer" in keys i think rn they just do nutty dam
problem is I don't think a nerf to hpal dps is good enough, i mean it's rostered because you dropped the ppal so now you really want the pally utility from that class
1 minute sac is op
it could switch back again to prevoker/rsham if ppal was good so idk it's multifaceted
except when they dont know when to use it 
man imagine if intervene was baseline and the talent was safeguard
intervene baseline and talent safeguard
sighdge
30s safeguard, easy replacement for sac
not even
yeah intervene really does need to be baseline its stupid
yea that's the thing, it's hard enogh to where you still need the utility but not hard enough to make people realize hpal can't heal
berserker rage also needs to be baseline
also tanks get sac the most
safeguard was genuinely overpowered lol
spit gold
literally
lol
Does anyone know if trinkets are simming properly?
asked earlier but there was a lot of coffee talk xD
the new ones besides mirror i mean
found it
idk
please hold lemme check the spreadsheet
hmm
Sandglass and Mirror are mostly figured out.
lets gooo
you're not a hpal what did u expect
get rekt
the problem is, I hold too much power in my hands
my weekend pushes are off to a rough start
push your own key you ninny

nim can you carry me through a NL21
thanks
did you guys remember last week where idk if i said it, but this ret pal had 0 kicks on the first 4 pulls
is there a link to that so i can keep updated?
don't think you mentioned that one
but yeah sounds like avg ret player to me
you coulda brought my warrior (i'm good) 🙂
my rsham raged and said fuck it im not doing anymore keys
why do you play with all ragers
for the week at least

dude people have not been kicking recently
cause we did 23 to 22 to 22 (had same key) to 21
that's because most of the good people are afk right now
if its like a earthbholt on the tank it always goes through
they will come back in 5 weeks
this shit is illegal
for the last 5 weeks of season push
i am making it so
it was a valid rage
ok that's despairge for real
the specific icons they use, not the idea itself
vp tyr and people cant kick first boss was fun too
i member
thats rage inducing
yeah man i gotta push hard
well, to keep it really short, my group didnt clear the ticks and we wiped with lust used
anyway kanga 21 NL is easy
so that was pretty much killshot for that key
especially with an augvoker
Void elf has a good mage vibe
human female is good, but im partial to gnomes
and undead
its boomer nostalgia mostly
gl getting your fireball cast off when you get los'd by a rock on the floor
thanks
gnomes dont give a fuck
so wait
ez key dude
I rocked my first 19 and 20 today, I'd like to thank this community
i gotta get this garbage up
get after it bro
kanga auggie v main when?
i keep running out of time to play my shaman every week
How are Freehold and Underrot two of your lowest keys
it's like, every single week, I'm like "hell yeah time to push keys" and it's Monday
and I'm like
oh
no this shit ain't happenin.
Idk how I found so much time at the start of the season and not now 
i thought overwatch was okay
better than nothing
not my preffered shooter, but its damn good
have you guys noticed
well you guys have noticed, i guess that's not even a question
huh
Let's play a game
anyway you guys know the best way to have yogi talk about something random?
just have a conversation about anything
Guess the macros in this jar
if you talk about something he's even interested in
Hmmm
yeah
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam?
Digging the new nickname lmao
Thanks
oh fuck thats ghash
i just need to play a meta DPS for keys
healing takes too much brainpower and mental effort
Yes it is I
compact discord is prime for nickanme trolling
but playing spriest is cringe
warrior dps is meta in my mind
but... 
yeah I just don't like playing warrior in keys idk
it is meta, but in narrower comps than spriest is
I just wish war had extended melee range tbh
for what
I pretty much just got 20s on week 1-2 and stopped keying on my warrior
always intended to push on my rsham
because invites were faster
But now people don't even take my rsham 
ive found this season, most pbaoe/whirlwind circles you can actually max melee range at the line
without damage
Just sucks on spiteful when you can't dance around as well as other melee. And you can't attack during shark tornado even though basically every other melee can
yeah I don't really have an issue with the range, it's moreso that there are a LOT of fury warriors and a comp that actually wants a fury warrior is already set on spriest + etc already
so it's kinda hard to get into push groups, if that makes sense
i dunno, im just often thiinking about the things that went wrong in my key, and i dont nessecarily want to bother people with random crap i know better about
WHIRLWIND
thats very true actually ghash
like you're the missing puzzle piece of just big dam

like, theres some kicks that should have gone out better, we didnt do them and i didnt do those kicks
i don't actually find this a huge issue, crit and other high fury keyers legit just eat spiteful melees
since the stopped scaling, 20 spitefuls can't crit and only hit you for ~180k
spiteful no hurty anymore
After playing ret with extended melee range
just facetank
yeah
warrior and dk feel like shit
it's legitimately not bad on fury because you have so much leech
Yeh
yeah or rogue
just cloak the spiteful duh
lul
wowie zowie
rogue with extended range vs move speed is always good and hard choice
Rogue has extended range
playing DPS is so fucking easy
you can just brain off every single key in the world
spriest just there to press MD
its ok bc shark nado does no damage to prot and noone plays dps warrior
like I always kinda need 5 minutes to cool down after a key on my rsham
thats one nado you can max melee range and take no dmg
but on my warrior i can just spam nonstop
when it was 3 talents per row, you had to make a choice between increesed range, passive like 10% movespeed and something else, and it always worked out that the MS talent was basically as good as the attack range one
you take no dmg from nado, and still in melee range
you can't maxrange shark tornado on fury
I was looking at cpms rn in logs and it's like, spriest 3 buttons, aug v 3 butttons,
hmm
Even on rogue you have to be like half inside the edge to hit boss
am i thinking of something else?
the only whirlwinds you can maxrange are the Brackenhide warscreamers and stinkhide
ah yes
also lose 0 uptime on the FH ogres if you play correctly, but it's kinda risky
the guy that you're supposed to always skip
the dumb miniboss
but some people pull for w/e reason
oh
that vomits on someone
i oulled it once recently bc the group was so bad i geniunely considered it a time skip over trying to skip
i was misremembering (legit haven't done BH in weeks)
i think rezzing is a time save over pulling it
still pulled
honestly
Same. He's easy 25 count
arent all mini bosses?
idk though with a spriest it's not even a question, you can just soothe and literally mount run past it
don't even have to do the rez thing
yes which is why you skip all the ones you can generally
but honestly i just rather they be boring cause fort week minibosses in the past have been off
Shadow of Zul would like a word
no
goddamn it
yeah true
just kite it to africa smh my head
i am making that so illegal
I love thar the strategy for him was legit use all cds then run your ass off
i miss avatar being a pseudo immunity
i miss demo being on AM
Also I would like my internet to be back now
hey man they axes lady on tyranical would also like a word with you
Been down for 8 hours 😭
tbh i don't understand how people aren't more upset about demo shout being on gcd
that too
that too
axes girl sucked
that too
singlehandedly makes me hate playing pwar
both of those are fucking stupid
i like everything else about prot except for demo shout gcd
as in the current iteration
Could be worse, they could have kept IP on the gcd
lmao
sometimes i have so much rage i can be spamming ignore pain and still have too much
yeah
poggies

Only cost $139
Couple wires on the wiring harness were bad and one going to the negative battery terminal
skip him
uh
i feel like NL or VP yeah
I mean VP even has a few large pulls, NL doesn't really at all except for the first (skitterers don't really count either tbh but whatever)
alright
i have decided i'm gonna finish leveling my priest
but it's gonna be disc because shadow is cringe
You're literally playing prot instead of fury/arms
i actually do like tanking keys though
Yeah prot warrior tanking owns you're meaty as fuck
so holy priest?
youre basically playing dps warrior as well
druid meta here to stay bb
night elves stay winning
they keep trying to apologize for the corrupted tree that got burnt down
id be so down for warrior rework just go give banner back
warrior rework 
alright im ready to start applying again
anvil has satiated my gogogogo next pack urge for now
where you belong!
do mythic puggies?
yes
mythic raid?
yea
yeah but
no buts
you don’t use both?

just roll well
btw there were 2 ties for them
a 100 tie
a 98 tie
thats my highest roll lmao
next fime for sure
skill issue
true
yeah i rely on vault cause my rolls are dogshit
I rolled a 2 on anvil 
fuck it im bored let me see if i find a group
seems legit
oooook back to queueing for keys
Rashok deadge
idk if that makes the fight deadge
pug as a prot warrior?
resilience
grit
youth
and a non bum shoulder of course
yeah i guess its the ole age
if i say it's deadge it's deadge
i'm never wrong
LOL
youre right sorry master

idk man its fun
i try to beat people on overall
i get accepted to like 90% of keys i apply to
thinking I'll go slap it tomorrow
might be his io along with m raid prog
i might just be a statistical anomaly
yes
that might be it
just dont tell anyone i never tank raid
guilford, i did it on my war, but not pally but honestly dont wanna play my pally :\
lol
ok brb
augmentation has ruined logs
logs have been a meme
i cant tell if i did good on my bear
i feel like i owned
but apparently only a 60
LOL
awkward
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/byMhDaGf6Zk92QdV#fight=16&type=damage-done
@lusty grotto ayo actual purple parse on LFR Sark 🤣
nice nice!
ilvl parse tho, hella sus
maybe I will
oh no
oh yes
im a FH with the same guys that kicked me for "nice pull ape"
LOL
well i didnt get invited to anything else so im giving it a go
its just 2 of them at least
free hold is in the very earliest LFD's
you don’t even know
so EVERYBODY knows that dungeon
Freehold is a terrible dungeon, and should never have been bought back. It should have been buried in a shallow grave and never resurected.
so is the 50% reductionf or cragshaper good or no>?
in terms of defensive trinkets is that better than splinterd or faceless ire
L take
bad take
100% accurate take
Also the idea that it's "one of the earliiest LFD's" is a purely alliance biased take
how
they should bring back all bfa dungeons in season 3. literally all of them, and make a cool seasonal affix for it too
'cos it's a shit dungeon with terrible links
no they shouldnt
shrine is awful
siege is awful
tol dagor is awful
Bring back Temple of Sethralis
temple of sethralis is the worst of the bunch but sure
You're just trolling by saying that
bring temple of sethralis back its better than freehold for sure
shitting on FH and wanting Temple? say sike right now
Only cool thing about temple was when I realized you could reflect the cone
also freehold has great links
Freehold is a buggy linky POS dungeon with bad loot and fucky LOS issues
everything is about pulling trash onto bosses and chaining pulls
the only bug ive ever had in freehold is the weird snapping bug
which, yes is annoying, it also isnt a big deal
bad loot is like actually a bad take because theres loaded dice there
temple should be left to the ash heap of history
and what los issues could you possibly be talking about
I've had stuff aggro from halfway accross the map and train half the dungeon onto me
I once had shit aggro at me when I was stood unmoving at the zone in point
Blizz need to fix the know bugs before they bring dungeons back into rotation
yeah idk i just dont believe that happened
do you have a clip of either of those happening to anyone ever
Not my problem if you don't believe me, it still happened
That's awesome. I also doubt it happened. Never once have I seen something like what you described.
Only if people are pulling shit they shouldn't be.
its possible honestly there are flaws in the game
ive just never heard about it or seen it
still think its one of my favorite keys
alongside every dungeon from the s4 mix and necrotic wake
The best SL dungeon was Theatre of Pain. II genuinely cannot wait for that to come back in 4-5 seasons
actually workshop wasnt very good
yeah definitely not
whatever happens just pray there are no df dungeons in season 3 except dawn I guess
god i couldn't imagine living my life having consistently bad takes like apb and zetakya
Season 3 will be prison themed: Violet Hold (WotLK), Violet Holt (Legion), Tol Dagor, Sanguine Depths
Okay you're dumb
sanguine depths was really bad
the urn and general feel was good but the shit you had to kill is just so bad
the one boss scaling with fort was also cringe
The problem with SD was the 2nd and 3rd bosses were just awful and they were back-to-back so you could only lust one of them
yes
One thing to consider when thinking about SL dungeons is we have no idea how they're gonna handle covenant buffs
i assume they will make them either professions or just usable by anyone
or they just 0 iq and keep it covenant
but i like reflecting
was there any good gear from temple?
kek
and dh cheese
@proper roost
There was, but only in the context of Azerite traits IIRC
Atal'hakar was ok
i didnt do original version so idk actually
Someone around here suggested that the worst possible idea would be a season with all of the dungeons named "halls"
yet
oh yeah
idk so far they havent done vanilla dungeons so
i want to say i dont want them
hope they never do
if they do it'll just be a whole new dungeon like uldaman
yeah i guess
grim batol needs a comeback
uldaman has those dumbass bleedy boys though
We're gonna get all dream themed dungeons
bosses all slap
as a key? god no
i want junkyard back
god yes
Scarlet Halls, Sethekk Halls, Halls of Lightning, Halls of Reflection, Halls of Stone, Halls of Origination, Scarlet Halls (Pandaria), Halls of Valour, Halls of Atonement, Halls of Infusion
You won't see JY for a while I assume
but you do not
yeah we wont
i highly doubt they want to repeat them
id be down for kings rest
cuz it was the best
some dungeons arent meant to be mythic +
if they tune zul, id be down too
yes have to gut zul
sure but not bfa zul
gut, or rework
don't be sissies
What's our 3-boss dungeon in S3 gonna be?
lmao
if i never have to do KR again, i will be very happy man
maw of souls duh
maw
maw 
ill eat my words if its not maw
im going to be extremely angry if i have to run KR
teeming motherload
i was so bad at waycrest
i like waycrest
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee #triggered
WCM was my weekly key on alts a lot
waycrest is easy if you get the left doors
its slightly harder if you have to start either of the 2 go right route
blood dk tanking mana wyrm
you cant take him through the fire at 8 stacks every time or he keeps nuking the group with something
lol
The only thing I can confidently say is that Siege of Boralus will NEVER be made a key again
zul wouldn't even be that bad you got spellblock now
thats part of why you go up to like 40 stacks
30s of it!
thats true
until its unblockable 
Any chances they do one of the CoT Cata dungeons?
that tree boss was the biggest do nothing boss ever
i see no reason to make a single target nuke unblockable
sure hope not
but trio of witches tyranical, was a make or break
I hope not. I loathe End Time
that fight was fucking cracked
end time heroic was the most ive ever struggled in this game ever
Og dead Mines please
but i was also like 9
PEOPLE WERE STUPID
end time if its the one with the sands of time at the end
it fits
everything in that dungeon fits DF
cram it yogi
this would just be free io
get outta here
wut
We're getting TotT
you don't want to do EO?T
nobody wants end time
Just to piss y'all off
what is tott
Not the cata remake. The original
Throne of the Tides
shrine of the storm
no shot they bring it back
That+KR would be pog
Honestly there's not much I'm like "gimme" about
Ewww
Only thing I'd want changed in shrine is the MC on third boss
It wouldn't surprise me if we go Shrine of the Storm, unfortunately, as the lore seems to be going back to "Suddenly, OLD GODS" again
Having to use the water to cheese it was very dumb on high keys.
even if someone did fuck up the MC you jsut draged him the the bridge
instant reset
Like we knew this was ending in old gods during announcement
yo sorry to ask about current game but do you guyd reflect the disorient on first boss of brackenhide
?
yes really
We're trying to time keys yogi
on the squid on head MC boss
Not the bridge
i did it once and the bosses enraged so idk if that was caused by ne doing that or not
You went in the pool
you have to if they fuck up the MC
that takes ages and the fight is long as fuck
Hear me out
the dude it spawns nukes the group and is next to impossible to kill
i agree, but its the dps that fuck it up mostly
My only point is having to use the pool to break the mc was degenerate
That's the totem, isn't it? Just kill the totem
And they need to tune it so you can actually just dps people out
i can 100% tell you for a fact that its mostly brain dead dps
and they don't pay attention to balls or mc
idk i have no clue how that boss works i just kill it
I can tell you 100% you won't have the dps to get out without the pool on high keys
The scaling was absolutely fucked
people dying to the purple rings in a row by the tentacle on the final boss
was another huge pug destroyer
or overlapping kicks
I loved the stupid shit you could do with the pulling all eels with last boss for funnel
And then a pack of eels reset and one shots one of your dps
people that just kick spells willy nilly and don't stand in the good circles is what killed you on 2nd boss
that fight teache you to hold your kicks
id say snaps made it fun
this is very good and important. ty
an old but familiar foe
I miss every dungeon having snap spots all over the place
Did anyone kill the last boss of the mega dungeon on pwarr yet? I feel like I’m doing something wrong… going through cds faster then a kid at McDonalds
@toxic pewter this guy has
wall etc
he's powerful
ya i killed him
just gotta rotate your defensives as best as possible
yooo let's go yogi
Did u drag the boss to adds or just stayed away? With 1 target wasnt gertting enough rage to sustain IP throughout the breath debuff
snipe me
def want to drag boss to add
just gotta like save defensives for each breath need somethign ready to use
a good healer helps a lot too lol
snipe me daddy :3
Gotcha tbf we kinda yoloed the dung with alts and not knowing a single mechanic beforehand it was fun, will try again tomorrow
I'm a frost mage main now
yoo
we can play together i'm leveling my spriest
i've given in
being cringe is cool
honestly vdh is kinda close to pwar
I did the same… started playing spriest (just to get invited in pugs again…) its gd fun, tons of utility but miss being in melee 😦
i put glaive toss on the same bind as my heroic throw
and hoppy button same as leap

basically the same spec!!
that was bad
every possible thing bad i could do in that key, i did, and we still timed
how to give healer mental disorder 101
top 10 moments taken right before disaster
I am losing my sanity on sark
hes learning his craft
also jordan
frost mages are indeed real good this week holy shit lol
especially on uldaman and for spites
and for kiting basilisks
yeah thats what i meant
plus avoker crit buff benefits them more over fire
no DR shenanigans
augvoker
my takes r bad ass
like me
Can confirm
13k for one of those that i paid 250 the other day for
Even I don't pay 13k for a fuckin crest lol
people snipe these up regardless of price, just tip what you feel like tipping
people just do that to effectively 'prop up the image' of what the thing costs to make lmao
people will see that 13k and feel like that is an appropriate amount
they make millions doin it
smh
thats also roughly exactly what it costs for the mats
12.5k for the dracos, 500 for epic shards under 500 for other
which you already paid for?
i didnt pay for the mats no
it seems like if u just want to buy the mats
have them use them or somethin
God people been making bank off of people like yogi
gm jordan
i normally do 10k is the highest i would do for a normal epic item probably
bro... no..
i give 5k for the bracers that was a 1 tap, never have to worry about re-doing it
depends on the service
holy
You guys gonna lose your shit when I tell you I tipped 30k for a weapon and 40k for toxic thorn boots last night
This is why there's people multi boxing professions
Bruh my gallywix coffers are down to 11m
I've never had that much gold in my life haha
if i had that much gold
it would get stolen
or i would buy something dumb for a million gold
yogi you're legally obligated to let us know if a random "relative" contacts you and asks you to buy them a bunch of steam cards
ok
its literally for ur own good
i bought somethin for a million gold
i caught on super early
in the discord dms
and got really aggro with them
i figured out i was being fucked in ass before it could happen
what are we talking about
random bullshit as always
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the original video has 15m views
and this discussion we are having now is why i have NO dm's open on any platform
you're not alone
although I do find it funny when these fill up with people who are trying to message me about joining their guild when they didn't bother to read my post and list days I'm not available as their raid days

man where is Abelito
i might get hit in the back on wow but i dont often get scammed irl
except for it took 58 runs for mark
what is that
If I did every 20 I'd ne in top 50 easily
I was number one warrior on my old server
Medium population normal server
The fact that we did keys alone made our guild basically number one for running keys
Had 2 dedicated tanks and a healer
bis race to prot warrior?
Undead has best animations prove me wrong
in minmaxing lil bro
Raids or m+?
both
Tldr there is no best race for use
there is
Whatever sims highest then
Dwarf has a bleed removal but there's not many scary tank bleeds in m+ that aren't avoidable. Nelf has cool shadowmeld stuff. And undead has the best animations. Just sim yourself
Undead has worst raciala for pwae
Facts
But #1 in our hearts
Tauren are huge, warriors should be huge. Tauren #1 race, dont @ me
got Aotc finally hurra
true
grats
Only problem I find with Tauren is avatar makes you too big to fit in some doors
Used to happen in ws bat the smoke filled room
lmao +15 Neltharus

man, fortified is so much better as a tank
I'm in control of whether or not the dungeon fails
rather than other people just planking on bosses on tyr
never experienced this in my life
That’s been a thing since vanilla. Granted seems blizzard designs doors to not do it for a while now
Finally got Ulda 20 🙂 almost top 50 on area 52 🙂
grats bud
no it isnt
door issue mostly happens when mounted
big mount + small door = no enterino
yeah most dungeons on tyrannical i feel at the mercy of my group
i can solo the boss but they cant
depleting a key knowing i fucked up and that caused us to fail is worse then depleting on tyran for me
Fortified is where if I know what I'm doing and how to live, the key is free
just learn from yoru mistakes and go again no biggie
Tyrannical is just group rng
some bosses fuck on tyran though
I almost depleted a BH key just now and it's because I went the complete fucking wrong way in the second area
timed it by 7 seconds
lmao
like clappy boi in uldaman, that guy hurts on fortified lol
honestly the crocodiles scare me the most
the clap guys that drop voidzones do hurt a lot and theres so little room that is los free
just on your group
uldaman full of painful mobs tbh
can you counter the basilisk chomp
parry it or run away
ah you can outrange it
it sucks
ah thats why my backpedal didnt work yesterday
i know the snakeboys you can outrange their bleed attack but they just recast everytime you get in range
so ijust hop in/out nonstop
yeah they are annoying but east
otherwise it CHUNKS your hp
easy
eh such is life
Yeah it's pretty annoying
I just pull all of them back to the top and do a slow kite around the room
Because if you're on the stairs, they do the mortal hew thing sometimes 🙂
that works, usually i just run up and down the stairs
definitely assasinated a friendly earlier today though
I got hit on my dps war yesterday by one even though I didn't have aggro (the bite)

yeh
Only happens on the stairs though
Yeah, it's the same as mortal hew in HoV
Some weird z axis bug where if you're on stairs it will just retarget randomly
I have so much more fun on fort weeks
Also not to mention fucking up on a pack is like, quick wipe, run back, don't do it again
wiping on bosses feels fucking brutal
guess some keys are awful regardless like HoI though
its fucking insane they haven’t added checkpoints to halls
they really want you to use that shortcut, man
i get theres the skip thing on the right but it still takes ages
and theres no way youre killing the 3 apparatus pack so you have to go all the way around
if they gave you a speedboost before the skip dropdown it'd be fine
but yeah it's dumb
Same issue as Azure Vault last season but worse
yeah in av u just tped to the skip spot with speed
Anyone know the best zandalri racial for prot?
in halls you have to run there then you get speed
Thinking bwon or krag
no clue
Gonk is legit the only one with noticable impact
Really? Movement doesn't seem that good imo
Go fast is all that matters
But seriously the others are incredibly underwhelming, but you could sim them, chances are you'll have less than 1% variance
rip servers?
NA servers at least
stuck on loading screen lmao
3 of us
and 1 other cant see their party in instance
Looking at the highest m+ prot tanks, I wonder why I am not seeing more pirmal molten shoulders?
Aren't out set shoulders kinda shit?
Doesn't matter
Like it's literally irrelevant if you have a "bad" tier piece. People just go off what they've gotten from vault/dungeons
Yes, but we have the ability to craft the "ideal" piece, no?
With catalyst + Crafting
Our stats are so close that there's zero reason to give any craps
Isn't the whole point of end game about pure optimisation?
Or what's the point at all?
Like close enough you can get different stat priority between sins by swapping 1 piece of gear


