that's my only claim
#protection
crude notch
ionic fern
Yes, and then he provided logs.
crude notch
Of warriors
crude notch
with completely different comps
Like if I compared myself to MDI players running a 19, obviously I'd look worse.
ionic fern
Okay, easy solution.
Warcraftlogs.com
Dungeons
Logs
Damage
Tanks
Get a broad overview.
You're welcome.
crude notch
Surely you're not advocating for 2 days of logs to represent the conclusive evidence that Bear is "far far more damage" than PWar.
Surely not
ionic fern
Surely you are not dumb enough to continue this discussion without providing any logical solutions/proofs from your side outside of just trying to push peoples buttons.
crude notch
yes exactly
I'm not sure what you think my stance is.
I'm not saying Bear doesn't do more damage, I'm saying using what he's using isn't a good example of comparison
jagged pier
your disagreeing with me when i said VDH and druid do far more damage than warrior
jagged pier
even monk now does far more damage
crude notch
Both Choco and I have said we think they do more damage.
Choco is saying not as much as you say
I'm saying you're using bad examples
Which is fair
south zealot
monk definitely far more damage i dont think that’s refutable
south zealot
i havent seen vdh pump but i think thats because most use cheat death instead of dam build
crude notch
Your statement can be right and your proof be horribly flawed.
crude notch
Okay, easy solution.
Warcraftlogs.com
Dungeons
Logs
Damage
Tanks
This is going to obviously show tons of Bears at the top as if people are running... Bears or something.
jagged pier
all depends what key lvl u look at
crude notch
Yes but if you're basing overall M+ tank damage on a +19 that's a bit disengenious imo
I guess if you're talking strictly for MDI it's not
jagged pier
i could do 23
but then u wopuld just say its the ilvl difference
because highest warrior damage on 23 is nome
u can always disgree with anything thats linked
because keys
arent run with the same comp
same pulls
crude notch
Hey looks like you're finally getting the point.
You can't accurately compare
Wow
Novel concept
jagged pier
right so we cant compare anything ever and make any statement about anything in the game
or talents
or how to use rage
because we all play differently
and run different comps
and times and stuff
cool
dawn basin
different latency
crude notch
right so we cant compare anything ever and make any statement about anything in ...
yes anything ever, that's exactly what I said
Yep
ionic fern
This is going to obviously show tons of Bears at the top as if people are runnin...
Pick Bears. Pick Warriors. Pick specific dungeon. Pick specific affixes. Pick specific w/e else you want.
ionic fern
Mate
I don't care.
Pick whatever you want.
I'm babysitting 2 (hopefully) adults having a conversation because you can't behave properly or have a meaningful/respectful discussion.
crude notch
I guess I need to repeat my point for the millionth time
I'm not saying PWar doesn't do less damage than Bear and VDH, I'm saying the examples that are being used are incredibly flawed.
ionic fern
Yes, yes. Logs are flawed and pointless.
crude notch
No
jfc
why is it when we compare raid logs and compare kill times and compare trinkets used and compare add padding, that's fine
But we're supposed to take every M+ log at face value
nothing more nothing less
There's variables in M+ logs just as much as there is in raid logs.
ionic fern
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
We're using the information we have from logs against you just going "Nah. You dont get my point." Just provide w/e examples you find are not flawed.
Instead of talking shit about anything others provide.
What is this, "How to have a constructive discussion 101"??
ionic fern
Aight mate.
Either stfu or gtfo. I cba with you anymore just getting personal.
crude notch
You saying "Is this How to have a constructive discussion 101"?? isn't personal
But me saying
nah it's reading comprehension 101 is?
Like what
ionic fern
No, it's the whole conversation from your part from the beginning.
ionic fern
DM me if you wanna continue this discussion. I cba having it on a public channel.
jagged pier
we do know there are variance in m+ logs btw we just accept them because theres nothing u can do about it we know it isnt perfect its the closest we have, which btw ive said multiple multiple times through the years
raid logs are a bit more comparable where u can take everything into account as its short form stuff
crude notch
Then I hope you can understand that I'm not going to link logs that I know are incredibly flawed for numerous reasons. As I stated, I agree that PWar is behind VDH, Monk, and Bear in damage. Any subset of logs has that number to be 20%-50% behind and that for me is too much variance to justify standing behind those numbers as concrete evidence of supporting any stance.
Even if that's the only information we have for now.
echo egret
I often hear people say "I carefully choose which M+ pugs I apply to" and I'm wondering how you choose, given that we only have info on the leader.
restive scroll
I often hear people say "I carefully choose which M+ pugs I apply to" and I'm wo...
You can have a bit of info on the group too, particularly the compo with some addons like "pick up group" (i think)
Can't answer further than that though
restive scroll
Pickup group finder* pgf
echo egret
Yeah group comp is available too, unless you're not the last member.
(I have the addon)
scenic hollow
What do you guys think of undulating sporecloak? yay? nay?
jagged pier
if u mean undulationg sporecloak its a nay
scenic hollow
i exclusively pug, so was condiering
jagged pier
if u mean the one from underrot and its your highest ilvl cloakk yay
nah thats cloaks not going to do anything
jagged pier
if u need a back yer
ionic fern
You tested haste trinket @jagged pier ?
ionic fern
thorny stone
Would you guys equip mark of dargul 447 or anvil 447? I mainly play m+
thorny stone
The other trinket is a 441 beacon
jagged pier
hmm i mean any combo is fine
if u dont want double on use run both
if u dont mind run beacon and anvil
thorny stone
Ok, thank you jakey
jagged pier
something i didnt know about anvil until someone told me and i tested it, if u have 5 stacks and your out of combat and its off cd if u use it youll maintain 5 stacks
but need to not use it at the end of combat then
but can be worth to keep stacks if u have some room to travel
or down time
strong forum
Anvil > bacon in m+
strong forum
Unless you specifically need the bacon burst on a boss mechanic
topaz field
i only see it being worth on tyra VP
strong forum
BH last boss
topaz field
its pretty ez now tbh
strong forum
Totem and spark both don't scale with tyr or fort
topaz field
after totem nerfs
but ye it has an angle there
but the disadvantage is that u are playing full mambo jambo aoe in the rest of BH
sand drum
@jagged pier @ionic fern in the log Jakey provided what am I supposed to look for 😄 ?
curious
ionic fern
Idk what you're looking for. 👀
I was checking how fast the hourglass gets to 8 stacks.
And what the damage turns out to be.
sand drum
^ and got some numbers yet so we mortals dont have too 😛 ? ❤️
sand drum
thx 😄
jagged pier
dont forget trinket gives strength as well
sand drum
might drop some haste for that trinket then and go more critt ?
but over beacon and mark ? hmm not 100% sure
ionic fern
For a ,more passive approach anvil + this.
vocal verge
Defensively the tanks look really close. In those logs the warrior took half the damage as the other tanks but did half the healing. I think there is an argument for bear being able to handle massive pulls better though because of ursocs fury and raze/thrash
And bigger pulls just means more dps
tame coyote
hey guys, yest I got the cheat death trinket from the new dungeon. Is it as gd as it looks? I mean a lot of main stats and cheat death + massive haste buff when it procs. It sims similar to other trinkets I have but with added cheat death I think it's big no?
ionic fern
Big no, indeed.
jagged pier
I dont know how your simming or what trinkets u have
but its a terrible trinket
your not ever gunna proc it pretty much unless u do WF keys
and once every 8 mins is a long time
cheat death are usually bad in general allow ppl to get lazy or blame there deaths on "well if i had the trinket then i wouldnt have died" when about 20 other things could have be done to prevent it
like it sims less than deco of flame from last tier on ST so u must have some terrible trinkets
scenic hollow
Kinda new warrior here. Any must have crafted items? I picked up a 441 calamity shield, and 441 forgestorm from last 2 vaults so can get away with not crtafting thjose for now
Or just fill gaps? The set piece legslot look kinda crappy
jagged pier
umm i mean 447 shield will be the biggest upgrade u can get
tame coyote
like it sims less than deco of flame from last tier on ST so u must have some te...
437 ominous & 437 landslide (from NL)
jagged pier
after than none tier slots and rings/neck
tame coyote
kk thanks @jagged pier ❤️
earnest cove
The VP trinket sims bad, but it isn’t right? Had mostly bad luck and still running drogbar rock and stone… worth crafting alchemist stone or sth similar?
jagged pier
VP trinket is good for dungeons
Depends how u sim havent checked ut myself on aoe sims
But it does appear to do decent damage for most ppl
But i wouldnt waste a spark on stone
Like running lfr for raid trinkets will give u better trinkets than alc stone
Hell join a normal pug and kill the first 4 u get grapnel and anvil chance
earnest cove
Sim for 5 targets 40sec, always told me it is a DPS loss. Play m+ only - thanks for the advice @jagged pier
crude notch
Keep in mind that the Heart is a vers trinket instead of a mainstat trinket
south patrol
Stupid question … but how do you get the last couple packs of mob before the final boss in VP to not charge random players when you charge In on them ?
sick sentinel
Last night when those guys in my guild were looking for a key the didn't specify what key they had so I had to !keys them
Turns out they only wanted to run an 8 fh, easy peasy for me
I figured they might be trying to do like 21 nelthsrus or something I have no rights to be in
jagged pier
Stupid question … but how do you get the last couple packs of mob before the fin...
Havent done VP in while but im 90% sure thats just what the trash does
uneven mason
Turns out they only wanted to run an 8 fh, easy peasy for me
It may shock you yogi, but the fact you do 16s puts you in the "sweaty neck beard hardcore category as probably 95% of the playerbase thinks +11s are unsurmountable
proper roost
Stupid question … but how do you get the last couple packs of mob before the fin...
Thats just what they do
Don't worry about it you should mark skull x on the executors of the caliph and have dps burn those anyway
the charge also somewhat inexplicably does no damage while those mobs have the potential to own you on high fort
south patrol
Oh ok thanks I figured I was doing something wrong . Because that’s usually the case
proper roost
if you're actually first into the pack they'll charge you instead of a ranged
they dont charge ppl out of range of them so
if youre worried about threat just go in earlier
proper roost
WAIT I'M STUPID I can't do this time, it has to be an hour earlier or 2 hours later
always forget abt my saturday raid
daring marlin
hah
olive bay
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/347874868588445716/1129385814216933417/...
I saw, it's hilarious people are so braindead
uncut notch
jagged pier
Yes
strong forum
Sim for 5 targets 40sec, always told me it is a DPS loss. Play m+ only - thanks ...
Last time I checked the trinket doesn't sim correctly, but it does 5-6k dps in a key
jagged pier
Just make sure u have AA slows in the bosses and manage your stacks pretty chill after that
plush tendon
I saw, it's hilarious people are so braindead
honestly, I do not understand how people are this clueless about Aug
olive bay
The average WoW player doesn't know much about other specs/classes and just repeats whatever wowhead says
Ultimately, that's how
plush tendon
yea, but even wowhead is like 'new support class!'
proper roost
I mean it's literally 4 days old I don't think it's exactly a huge shocker
plush tendon
proper roost
10.1.5 is not a major patch either
strong forum
This was to be expected
proper roost
midseason patches people are gonna look up less
strong forum
Still wild
olive bay
Sure, but it's a first in WoW and people are just dumb
proper roost
It's just funny don't look too deeply into it
The fact that you're on class discords already makes you like 2% of the population
olive bay
Hell, I'm a 2800 IO tank, Mythic-prog raider and I'm a fucking idiot compared to a lot of people in here
proper roost
the vast majority of people just vibe and play the game
plush tendon
Sure, but it's a first in WoW and people are just dumb
the people are just dumb is probably the best explanation
proper roost
they dont look up shit outside of the game and it's honestly not "normal" to think that is normal
theyre legit just vibin
tropic gorge
A minority of a minority of players use the discords
proper roost
also most of those memes are taken from like sub 20s
so like yeah of course low key players won't keep up with patch changes
plush tendon
they dont look up shit outside of the game and it's honestly not "normal" to thi...
this part I dont get.... how the heck do you not look things up for games? Legit do it for any game I play just to see whats up
proper roost
its the same as if ppal was just aura nerfed 50% next week on a hotfix, the ppal population in keys would still be 90% the same
because they aren't turbonerds
go touch grass
tropic gorge
I think most people use wow head or that blood mallet site and roll with it
strong forum
this part I dont get.... how the heck do you not look things up for games? Legit...
I mean, until mid/late legion I didn't do it either
I just vibed
And played Zeh gaem
proper roost
grass enjoyers 
plush tendon
Ill have you know, the prot warrior wowhead guide is great toilet reading
strong forum
Until bfa pre-patch I didn't even know what parses were
crude notch
An overwhelming majority of people play video games to and this is going to be a shock to you, play video games.
And get away from being sweaty
and grinding
plush tendon
looking stuff up aint sweaty
crude notch
Most people don't look stuff up
plush tendon
or being well informed
crude notch
They really don't
tropic gorge
I for one, play for fun. And in blizzard games max fun comes from min/max meta playstyle that blizz loves
People are min maxing bg3 already ffs
crude notch
Like the fact that you can't conceptualize people like this makes you more troubling than them.
plush tendon
crude notch
And hell there's people even in class discords confused by auggie v.
Like it's not that wild
crude notch
Maybe apb was right.
Even if you gave everyone a log in prompt saying "Hey augmentation evoker is a support speciliazation and should not be judged on their details dps."
People would still be confused because they ain't gonna read that.
strong forum
People are notoriously oblivious to information
Until they're directly confronted with it
ember tangle
Green dps bar short, must be bad
crude notch
300m Americans voted for Trump.
15m British people voted for Brexit.
People be dumb.
tropic gorge
Having a class who's performance doesn't totally show up on things like details, is awesome imo
crude notch
Hell Americans voted to bomb Agrabah, y'know the made up city in Aladdin.
proper roost
yeah well were they wrong
crude notch
LMAO
crude notch
I'm here to tell you the meta comp though is secretly Bear, HPal, Aug, Dev, SPriest.
Fire Mage is fake news.
strong forum
:doubt:
strong forum
Mass barrier and 5% int says hello
crude notch
oh yeah
mass barrier
keep forgetting about that
Glad they gave mage more utility they were really missing out
strong forum
Yeah
Cheat death, iceblock, infinite dmg, mass barrier, potential short CD kick, root, aoe disorient, good dmg profile and 5% int
proper roost
too bad the mass invis is useless because you can skip everything with mind soothe anyway
strong forum
They were really lacking
crude notch
plush tendon
crude notch
They should've given bear a cheat death in all this buffing specs that don't need buffs.
crude notch
That's the best part of auggie v
tame coyote
damn playing Aug Evoker is godlike, no one ever knows if i suck
This is the only reasons I'll be leveling one this weekend lol
crude notch
Just never run more than one key with a pug group
craggy pilot
as long as i dont die in the key, i can just vibe
crude notch
They pull up them logs you screwed
craggy pilot
completely botching the rotation, and no one knows
craggy pilot
They pull up them logs you screwed
haha just hit them with the "logs dont really work for auggie yet"
gaslight them into believing it
crude notch
vivid jay
Hi guys, i've been a bit afk this week on warr, is onyx still worth It? I Heard that on 1.5 It was nerfed
zenith abyss
hello can i ask about stats change suggestions and maybe which stat on ring you would craft as second ring? https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/drakthul/sussiky thank you
covert topaz
Anyone got the SR WA handy, thanks in advance
crude notch
hello can i ask about stats change suggestions and maybe which stat on ring you ...
Your stats look more than fine, I'd just use the same stats as your first crafted ring.
If it was me I'd replace those bracers with 441+ crit/haste bracers and boots with 447+ crit/haste boots. I say those ilvls specifically because that's what you have in those slots and i'd only replace them with equal stuff, further down the road as like your long term project.
tropic gorge
that mog is lit
I'm using a MOG from the trading post atm. Had horned shoulders and hat. Looks good on a dwarf with the crafted shield
crude notch
Also, nice beacon
proper roost
beacon dn
zenith abyss
If it was me I'd replace those bracers with 441+ crit/haste bracers and boots wi...
thank you very much for suggestion i will go and try to farm it 🙂
tropic gorge
I got a trinket the other day from heroic raid. Forget the name, using it gives armor. Reduces speed. I don't really like it
proper roost
dreadplate? you shouldn't use that trinket, it's dog
tropic gorge
Yew dread plate
It was an upgrade in ilvl and str over what I was using
I like to tell myself it's a stop gap until I get better lol
proper roost
very unlikely it's better than whatever you were using
tropic gorge
Oh and nobody else wanted it. I got it on greed
proper roost
regardless of the ilvl increase
plush tendon
thank you very much for suggestion i will go and try to farm it 🙂
id actually recommend engi bracers over normal crafted bracers, but otherwise, looking good
proper roost
Well yes... turns out bad trinkets are undesirable
craggy pilot
did they rework HPala this recent patch?
plush tendon
zenith abyss
id actually recommend engi bracers over normal crafted bracers, but otherwise, l...
would need to wait 2 more weeks for spark if I craft ring this week
crude notch
yes
craggy pilot
anyone know like a sum of what happened to HPal? like is it more fun to play now? xD
crude notch
fun is subjective.
plush tendon
would need to wait 2 more weeks for spark if I craft ring this week
you can spark for whichever slot you want 🙂 I just like engi bracers
one stat, plus free tinker slot
and you can socket on top of it
though, you do have engi helm... just saw that
plush tendon
my point stands
engi bracers one stat still bis
can you double tinker?
like the invis one?
zenith abyss
I agree on one stat its pretty good. even on helmet, thats so much haste... maybe i will have nothing in next vault and would be easy with spark
plush tendon
yea, you get a spark a week cause you already socketed up
proper roost
Unless you're engi and trying to get brez bracers with 0 failrate, I think crafting the helm is a strange and honestly kind of bad choice
tropic gorge
And if you miss any, there's a high chance of them dropping for you. I really like the catchup and alt mechanics there
I geared my mage to 4pc and upgraded her crafted stuff in one week
She's still baby level but damn. It was really fast to get her to 414 ilvl
zenith abyss
yep... my alt have 5 sparks and 0 aspects 😄
tropic gorge
Yeah I hit that wall too and stopped caring lol
plush tendon
new toons are ez to gear... it just feels like a slog
while you get aspect crests
trying to do it on my DH right now 😦
it can also be annoying cause the keys I want to do, 16s and what not, can be a little tricky to get into
when you missing some dungeons for IO
zenith abyss
they should make them to acc wide... have 40 wyrm and 20 aspect on main and nothing to do with it
plush tendon
maybe early in the tier no, but at this point, 100% they should be account wide
tropic gorge
Making aspects boa would be amazing
plush tendon
cause at least on my war, pal, and dk im just on maintenance mode; get three vault choices each week and done
tropic gorge
My warrior has tons of the lower ones that he has 0 use for and keep stacking up as I run smaller content with friends and helping guildies out
plush tendon
ruby musk
maybe early in the tier no, but at this point, 100% they should be account wide
Hard agree. This is the single reason I haven't leveled alts.
plush tendon
Hard agree. This is the single reason I haven't leveled alts.
im of the mindset that the easier it is to gear toons and the more you can jumpstart them into their gearing process, the more people want to play
cause instead of looking at the 20 dungeon grind for aspect tokens, they can just have their crafted pieces done
and be like 'swag, time to do some dungeons for some dungeon looties'
ruby musk
I just see it as, I did the work. I played the game and farmed the crests. Now I'm overflowing with them just sitting in my bag. Let me spend them on alts
jagged pier
I dont think u will find someone who disagrees
well bliz of course
but apart from them
ruby musk
cause instead of looking at the 20 dungeon grind for aspect tokens, they can jus...
Exactly. Just let me drop some crafted pieces on my alt and let me get to it without feeling like I'm a slogging through the process
jagged pier
i wanna play alts but i dont cause i dont want to farm crests to i just dont
ruby musk
I just dont see how it's alt friendly to make people farm the same crests when you naturally acquire more than one char can spend.
plush tendon
its still pretty alt friendly
compared to what it was before
it just could be even more alt friendly
ruby musk
Its not terrible.
tropic gorge
It would be really cool if the aspects counted account wide and didn't have to be mailed. The crafting ui would just pull from what you have available
plush tendon
us retail gamers are spoiled and want as much quality of life as possible
jagged pier
u never know they keep saying they are listening if enough ppl complain
then maybe they will make them account wide
ruby musk
I'm just saying there are 100% times I booted up an alt and wanted to play it, then realized between not having any IO or crests I watched my motivation die
jagged pier
🤷
plush tendon
u never know they keep saying they are listening if enough ppl complain
theres 100% a blizz employee just lurking in here somewhere
ruby musk
I'm even down for a ratio exchange like they did with the other stuff last tier
tropic gorge
I'm just saying there are 100% times I booted up an alt and wanted to play it, t...
I feel that. Try to run m+, realize I'm totally hoping someone uses rio as well and sees my tank io
plush tendon
tropic gorge
If I worked at blizz as a class developer, I'd at least idle in the discords
Ofc use a name not the same as the blizz name to be secretive
plush tendon
I'm just saying there are 100% times I booted up an alt and wanted to play it, t...
the only real way to get started is by getting some guildies to play with you
to at least get over the initial hurdles
granted, I could start in sub 16 keys... but like.... naw fam
ruby musk
Yeah or just running my own keys and getting carried
plush tendon
tru
ruby musk
I don't know if there's an incentive like bonus honor for crests
ruby musk
Yeah lol who fucking cares about fs
ruby musk
Yeah I can see it happening if you hit a lucky streak
Oh well, maybe they'll make them bind on account in the run up to 10.2
plush tendon
and we want it even more friendly!
proper roost
that does not mean it can't be improved, but, it's pretty insane
plush tendon
proper roost
Can pretty much get 440 in a week
craggy pilot
am i the only one where the DPS/Tank/Healer icons look HELLA pixelated since the patch?
proper roost
yeah your aliasing settings are probably bad
they look fine
not in that screenshot because it looks like your screenshot downscaled a lot.
craggy pilot
ye or maybe an addon
nocturne spindle
elvui has looked pretty jank
craggy pilot
not in that screenshot because it looks like your screenshot downscaled a lot.
nah they look exxactly like that xD
craggy pilot
not using elvui
tropic gorge
I absolutely love elv
craggy pilot
hazy bronze
Van gock?
proper roost
tropic gorge
Lol
scenic hollow
If we're talking min/max, our optimal pieces of tier armour would be helm, chest, gloves and shoulders?
plush tendon
I think i would take pants>shoulders everything being 447, but in absolute bis, you can get 450 tier shoulders which would be better
but all toon load outs tend to be a bit different anyways; so its best to just sim
scenic hollow
Yeah
Just trying to plan stuff out - just came back to it this season, and don't want to waste catalyst cvharges atm
plush tendon
at your current stage, you just want to get some heroic track pieces to turn into tier and then upgrade to 441
scenic hollow
I mean, I got a 445 Paladin - but being behind the curve on vault drops I'd like to try to optimise.
plush tendon
or run a heroic pug/guild alt raid
and see what you can get to drop there
step 1 is get 4 piece
down the road, you can min max which tier pieces
scenic hollow
I used to tank #3 guild - world. HIgh chance if I ever pug I'll end up gouging eyes out and uninstalling lol
scenic hollow
Might give it a go then
plush tendon
you might get walled at like Sark
but 8/9 aint bad
plus, our best trinkets are in raid
scenic hollow
Yeah
plush tendon
so its either raid for trinkets.... or start the Nathan's liar grind
proper roost
ok..
tropic gorge
You guys think it's worth upgrading the crafted 1h sword? I'm not gonna upgrade the lariat until it gets back to a bis item, or at least that's my plan
My current 1h is the forge hammer
Good ol pogstorm
strong forum
ive sold my forgestorm
tropic gorge
What do you use?
plush tendon
You guys think it's worth upgrading the crafted 1h sword? I'm not gonna upgrade ...
i dont think lariat will ever go back to being better then a 2nd shadowflame tbh
unless your sim tells you otherwise; at least mine would not be
tropic gorge
For this season absolutely
plush tendon
also, a crafted 1h with stats is great
tropic gorge
I'm more trying to think ahead for s3 and any changes that come.
During s1 I expected the lariat to bis item for more than just 1 season
tropic gorge
Ya i ha e the crafted 1h. I didn't upgrade it and did my shield first but now I'm good for the next item upgrade
plush tendon
and theres no point in trying to think ahead
you gonna reach a point this season where you are swimming in sparks and wont have any idea what to do with them
I might actually finish the crafted primal set tmog XD
but first.... I need some god damn upgradable capes and boots to catalyze for tmog
and then the heroic shield
then I gotta do stupid pvp for those sets
tropic gorge
I've also looked into a Sim pit
plush tendon
a foot pedal doesnt actually seem like a terrible idea
tropic gorge
There are companies that make tubular seat frames with mounts for display, wheels, flight sticks etc
I have a Logitech rudder pedal set under my desk. I've never bound them to a key in wow
Hmm. Rally on the throttle pedal would be kinda neet
jagged gust
Put SS on the foot pedal, it'll be like playing drums in rock band on expert. Gonna be leg day every day.
toxic pewter
every prot warrior I have encountered in the wild or in pugs is permanently in defensive stance
proper roost
defensive stance dn
proper roost
and minmaxing is for nerds
anyway should I do 8x 16 keys on my rsham to try and get 447 tierslots
proper roost
i will instantly not take any of them if theres a heroic rashoks
toxic pewter
whether or not someone runs dstance only matters in min/max'ing
yeah but i am talking about in like 12's and stuff lol
dusky canopy
whether or not someone runs dstance only matters in min/max'ing
Yeah tbf if a tank doesn’t care about how much damage they are doing they could in theory just sit Dstance
toxic pewter
may as well go bstance
dusky canopy
Even though that is incorrect to do so
dusky canopy
Right but like your average 16 doer could just sit Dstance and have no downsides other than less dps right?
toxic pewter
Right but like your average 16 doer could just sit Dstance and have no downsides...
yeah, that is a major downside
dusky canopy
Like I’m not saying it’s correct play we obviously know that
But like they will time the key
crude notch
apb
toxic pewter
It does not matter the key level tbh
toxic pewter
if you are above 0 health and apparently 'nothing matters' may as well go bstance
thats using your logic
b stance is the default position is my point
dusky canopy
That’s not the point of what I’m saying Apb
toxic pewter
lemme see a log of yours
I don't log
crude notch
i've seen people sit in dstance that have better parses than you stfu
toxic pewter
lol
dusky canopy
My point is the average Prot warrior can sit in Dstance and succeed at what they’re doing
Even though we know that is wrong
crude notch
It's wrong if you care about min/max'ing
toxic pewter
no you guys are arguing about keys where 'good play doesn't matter' so in that world, my argument is that the default position is actually bstance and not dstance
dusky canopy
Correct @ Jordan
crude notch
but man people so fixated in how others playing
toxic pewter
but man people so fixated in how others playing
?
that is basically what this discord is about lol
and logs you asked me to provide
toxic pewter
what you mean
crude notch
it's not about you randomly dicking on people
toxic pewter
its to improve our gameplay
crude notch
that you meet in the wild
But that's not what you're doing
you're dicking on people that you meet in the wild
toxic pewter
well the default stance is bstance
that is my point
I will make them understand it
toxic pewter
brb going to whisper one now
crude notch
stop being a shit person
dusky canopy
This discord is to provide people that come here seeking Information said information on how to play properly etc
That is like 2% of the top 5% of players
crude notch
we ain't here to go hunt down all the wrongdoers of the world
toxic pewter
Right, and you guys claiming to sit in dstance all the time is bad information imo
tropic gorge
Proper pwar play, imo is using battle stance until you have to eat a hard hitting mechanic
tropic gorge
But if someone has good outcomes sitting in d all day, eh. Good for em
crude notch
You're really missing the point
dusky canopy
When I run into Prot warriors in the wild if I notice something they could improve on I’ll toss a friendly advice DM after key but telling people they’re bad wrong etc is just stupid lul
dusky canopy
Right, and you guys claiming to sit in dstance all the time is bad information i...
No one is suggesting this, I’m saying if the average Prot warrior does this they will still succeed at there level of play
crude notch
Inviting you to the key is bringing down the group in itself.
toxic pewter
:/
crude notch
Mr. I"m gonna stop the key to talk about the route
toxic pewter
Like if you can stay alive and do 10% more damage its just bad play
doesnt matter the keylevel
crude notch
No one is saying otherwise
dusky canopy
You are missing the point entirely
crude notch
But it's not on you to go out and search for people in dstance
toxic pewter
Why not
crude notch
stop being a tool
dusky canopy
crude notch
Because most people that play this game aren't looking for someone to dick ride them
crude notch
You're not some savior
crude notch
stop harassing people in video games you freak
toxic pewter
u first
crude notch
?
proper roost
do I get a burrito bowl
or an italian sub
these are the only two options. i shant consider more
toxic pewter
italian sub
plush tendon
Italian sub is like high C low B tier at best
tropic gorge
but make sure you in D-Stance afterwards
Lmao
plush tendon
Burrito Bowl is like A tier
dusky canopy
Its’a mee’a apb’a
toxic pewter
def gotta get a tortilla on the side
tropic gorge
It's over 90f here and like 90 percent humidity
tropic gorge
<:seanbee:836829660016803860>
I just finished my 40oz yeti of coffee lol
tropic gorge
No shit?
toxic pewter
first time of the week
plush tendon
here ive been struggling
plush tendon
doing wqs, rares, and digs
toxic pewter
yeah do the event
sick sentinel
im almost done with WQ andy stuff
plush tendon
I know you are telling the truth, cause your PFP is of a dapper looking mole
toxic pewter
event happens on the half hour mark
sick sentinel
i got like a few more major things in open world i really want to go farm
toxic pewter
1:30, 2:30 etc
toxic pewter
the researchers or wahtever its called
plush tendon
protect the scientists!
dusky canopy
Fml
toxic pewter
wat is stg
dusky canopy
Are their any pre recs for that researcher thing at all?
toxic pewter
Are their any pre recs for that researcher thing at all?
none just show up there at the half hour
dusky canopy
Holy shit and it gives 1k loam rep?
toxic pewter
ya
dusky canopy
I have wasted so much of my life doing world quests
toxic pewter
ya
sick sentinel
sick sentinel
hopefully there is an LFG thingy for that
dusky canopy
Why do I never see that event on my map?
tropic gorge
Rofl
dusky canopy
Minimum renown level?
dusky canopy
Uh yes
toxic pewter
lol
dusky canopy
Love to see it
Just missing warrior
Replace mage with warrior
Shaman better be Enh
toxic pewter
is that monk running press the advantage
dusky canopy
Proceeds to blaast
crude notch
except he isn't
toxic pewter
oh
crude notch
that's a rio bug
hazy bronze
I think you need to get the maximum rewards for the 1k rep so you may need to check group finder
toxic pewter
oh really thats annoying
sick sentinel
it failed to start
south zealot
who df these guys think they are??
holy
toxic pewter
it failed to start
the event wont start for another 33 minutes
sick sentinel
yeah, well, seconds ago, it told me 4 minutes
toxic pewter
oh right ya that is like 'gathering forces' or some crap
proper roost
Usually on tuesdays theres so many ppl doing it that u can full afk and itll always finish ahead
proper roost
But even if you dont get full rewards its like 900+ rep
toxic pewter
also be sure kill world boss, I think there is a world quest that gives some rep for killing them. also get the loamm rep contract off the AH
proper roost
its not that much less to not get full
plush tendon
Usually on tuesdays theres so many ppl doing it that u can full afk and itll alw...
but.... tuesday is work->nap-> raid day
proper roost
just have to help out dpsing
toxic pewter
sounds about right
urban portal
link the actual article
journalists dont know how to read financial statements
just like how they cant beat the cuphead tutorial
tropic gorge
but.... tuesday is work->nap-> raid day
You guys are brave to raid on Tuesday
dusky canopy
I honestly do not like raiding on Tuesday
sick sentinel
i just pray i can get that event done
dusky canopy
I prefer wed/thurs
I also don’t mind sun/mon
Just not if you have to pug members
If you have to pug to fill
Wed/thur is the play
dusky canopy
Did thurs/mon one tier but the issue with that is to far spaced you basically lose all prog from the first day
tropic gorge
My guild currently is in the summer lul. I personally like it. I'm in a friendly heroic guild. So we have some players that... Without coming off as rude or anything like that, are bad.
And us having a much smaller raid the last week has yielded good prog for us
Plus we extended our lock, so the "I only show up to farm night" people are skipping lol
crude notch
farm dn
dusky canopy
In general that is a common theme in heroic guilds, no hate
4-5 players pretty clearly carrying the rest
But the vibes are good
tropic gorge
Oh I absolutely agree and understand
And I accept it lol
But I like the people. So I don't plan on leaving
strong forum
wat is stg
"swear to god"
urban portal
at least only 1 person is sacrificing their lock
toxic pewter
"swear to god"
ah thanks
tropic gorge
thats messed up
Why is that messed up
toxic pewter
i just grouped up with yogi in game for first time
it was great
we did a world quest together
tropic gorge
Yup. I guess the same question could be asked for mythic. Why do you extend
The answer is the same. Lol
plush tendon
people prog at their own rate 🙂
proper roost
important update: the burrito bowl was good
plush tendon
good thing about heroic lock out.... is you can always go back
tropic gorge
I'm hoping we can finish the raid in the next few lockouts. Our group is decent geared now. The only things people are hunting are the usual ring and trinket drops
plush tendon
important update: the burrito bowl was good
proper roost
tbf never had a bad burrito bowl
tropic gorge
Our last reset, most loot stayed on the ground
jovial steeple
You guys pref 1 shadowflame + FF Belt or 2 shadowflame for m+. Not asking for numbers, just for Personal preferences
proper roost
if ur a heroic only guild tho dont u want the gear
i feel like everyone in my casual raid group constantly needs the hero raid gear
cuz they dont key
steady spruce
Can we still transmog 1H to 2H legion artefact skin ?
plush tendon
You guys pref 1 shadowflame + FF Belt or 2 shadowflame for m+. Not asking for nu...
I went double shadowflame
crude notch
if ur a heroic only guild tho dont u want the gear
not if you do keys on the side, not etc etc etc etc.
plush tendon
the differene super minimal
urban portal
fairly sure frostfire belt is just a less flexible version of patch
proper roost
no shot they're doing keys on the side
crude notch
what?
plush tendon
frostfire tends to do a bit more ST then shadowflame for me
and shadowflame tends to do a bit more overall
crude notch
you only need to do a +8 for a 441 piece
plush tendon
but honestly, they are interchangable
and for dps war specs, I think they are double shadowflame
proper roost
that's what they mean by less flexible
if you're playing a bit of dps, it's more flexible to just have like boots/legs (or whatever) shadowflamed and you can just reuse it exactly for dps
crude notch
each day i'm more and more impressed with how oblivious higher people are to the rest of the people playing the game
proper roost
and be optimal for both more or less
90% of my week is spent playing with casuals
none of them do keys lol thats why theyre casual
they literally only raidlog the n/h raid
proper roost
thats why i said most of the heroic gear doesnt go to waste
jagged pier
Can we still transmog 1H to 2H legion artefact skin ?
no that was a bug in SLs S1
was fixed ages ago
plush tendon
90% of my week is spent playing with casuals
i mean, my raid group is on mythic sark.... and its like pulling teeth to ge them to do a weekly key
proper roost
extending woulda put that group way behind on gear
farming first few heroic bosses pretty good actually 👍
plush tendon
first few on heroic kind of big
crude notch
not if everyone already has the loot from them
proper roost
its only mythic where doing the first few was kind of pointless imo
crude notch
You're aware we're on week 10 of the season right?
plush tendon
You're aware we're on week 10 of the season right?
proper roost
ya and people in my casual group still getting a bunch of upgrades from first 5 heroic bosses
tier and shit even
crude notch
You're aware
the different people
can be in difference scenarios, right?
or are you being stupid on purpose?
crude notch
"Nah this one casual group i run with they still need loot from the first 4 heroic bosses so that means that everyone that is doing heroic still needs loot."
proper roost
he himself said the group is hunting for rings and trinkets
which are all from the early bosses
so extending is definitely weirdge for that scenario
i referred to his own statements for where his group is for loot
instead of generalizing a random made up scenario
crude notch
Alternatively they could just y'know be tired of killing the first 4 bosses over and over
And find their time more valuable progging on Echo
proper roost
well that's just moving the goalpost
proper roost
dont u guys value experiments trinket or anything? kinda curious why skip those by extending @tropic gorge
steady spruce
no that was a bug in SLs S1
thanks
toxic pewter
dont u guys value experiments trinket or anything? kinda curious why skip those ...
I just lost that trinket got second best roll on that and anvil
crude notch
Also, go back to logging damnit.
proper roost
I just lost that trinket got second best roll on that and anvil
Deserved
crude notch
that crispy variance in ilvls
lmao
Antinus wtf are your trinkets
This is only a decision they've made in the last week
They've cleared everything (up to echo) in the raid at least twice.
proper roost
oof echo is hard took my group a while
think we only got it because corruption went on the right people a few pulls in a row
Grats! I think new Zskarn is pretty cool for tanks actually
uh
maybe not pwar lmao
but its extremely controllable
no honestly I don't think so
crude notch
They got him down to 12% Wednesday, so they should be getting that kill soon.
proper roost
I mean you get fucked
and you cant soak easily
but
95% of the prog of the fight now, is tanks learning positioning
so if you can do that part I think its legit a <30 pull boss
with good tanks
the dps check is also really low so no reason not to 3 tank
and if you have a brm who can be the 3rd you're really happy
or ppal
i think it's fine as tank tbh even if you do get sliced up. The positioning thing is (imo) fun if a little chaotic to learn and everything is fully controllable and preempted on that fight
Anyway, I think it's shit because I'm melee dps and my tanks suck at learning the positioning
👍 it's different every pull and I want to fucking kill myself
kinda
but mostly just going around in a counterclockwise circle
or like, more of an S I guess
first trap, knockback, second trap, TD + drag over to the other side,
super predictable could do the first 2 and a half minutes with my eyes closed
fury
aint no way i'm playing arms for a fight where my tanks pay 0 attention to where the melee have to be
so i get parried 80% of the fight
crude notch
bish
proper roost
they did this shit to me on monday
crude notch
LMAO
proper roost
there's a line from the boss to each of the circle players
and if lines overlap you take 300% more damage per overlapped beam
and the monk fucking speed taunted it over 0.2s before the beams fired
Idk even how the fucking enh lived but I was the one who got triple beamed
Tanks don't move while a positioning dependent mechanic goes out challenge (impossible)
gloomy vortex
First boss mythic we normally one shot, 1 hour later still wiping… bad day at the office
People ignoring mechanics for dps
2nd and 3rd boss we one shot, we normally take a few wipes
proper roost
by 3rd do u mean assault or experiments
tropic gorge
rest y'all gfy
Love ya too
crude notch
Yo what are your trinkets man
tropic linden
How do we deal with 2 blacksmith in nelth? pulled those 2 in the third boss pit in a +20 and they wiped my ass. Maybe I didn't cycle my defensives good enough or the DPS was too low, but after sometime I couldn't tank anymore
proper roost
you can always just pull them separately on fort week, it's a bit of a spicy pull with an inexperienced group
make sure to kick the forge embers too, generally in low keys I find that people are very bad about kicking them. The melts do a substantial amount of added damage
You uh really shouldn't be getting owned by the blacksmiths though
it does far more group damage than tank damage, i've actually literally never had a tank have issues with that
proper roost
1+ minute of that pull is extremely long
dusky canopy
rest y'all gfy
SMH
proper roost
my work computer is dogshit so i can't look into this too much but it kinda looks like you went from the previous big pull immediately into double blacksmith, which
given your healer and dps's overall skill, was probably a little inadvisable
toxic pewter
wat does gfy mean
dusky canopy
Go fuck yourself
toxic pewter
dusky canopy
= gfy
proper roost
just remember that right after a big pull, you can rarely immediately go into a second fast-to-kill double pull because it's likely all your dps's cds will be down
sick sentinel
okay don't have to spend much more time in zaralek
proper roost
what it kinda looks like to me is that your IP usage is really low
dusky canopy
I’m a very lazy world content doer
I think my only renown over 10 is the digsites one
hazy bronze
That's from suffusion camps bud
proper roost
yeah it looks like your IP usage is low because your rotation isn't the best
vagrant oracle
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BdLKP8XgQDTHwMAf#fight=4&type=damage-taken&...
I don’t know if your death skewed the numbers, but your Shield Block was like 80% and IP was 63% on uptime.
proper roost
during avatar on aoe, you need to go X thunderclap X thunderclap X thunderclap etc
instead there's this point during your first avatar in this log where you pressed heroic throw 3 times
dusky canopy
Eh not exactly kanga
dusky canopy
SS is still prio button
vagrant oracle
Is it also possible you took hits to the back?
proper roost
tc prio is correct if you're prioing damage
it's like a pretty minor defensive benefit to prio SS over it kinda depends either way he's not TCing almost at all during his avatar windows
dusky canopy
You can purely hit TC>Rev>TC>Rev with enough targets yes
proper roost
there's like 5 thunderclaps in his first avatar here
dusky canopy
But it’s not exactly what you should do
SS is highest prio button
It gives you big rage
More rage generated
More rage spent
More cd
Own
proper roost
it's a difference of defense vs dps
either way this bad
never want to see this again buddy
Straight to jail
dusky canopy
This guy just needs to press more button
chilly brook
rest y'all gfy
😦
dusky canopy
Highlighted in Red are all buttons you can press significantly more in a 30 minute dungeon
Wait a minute
He has zoom enabled let me delete that image and look again
proper roost
surely you didn't think he pressed 17 shield slams in an entire neltharus
ok it would own though
gloomy vortex
by 3rd do u mean assault or experiments
Assault and chamber
proper roost
woof
dusky canopy
Yeah no I was half ass glancing at the log
Lol
Actually not that bad pressing pretty good button
He must of gotten hit in the back
tropic linden
either way this bad
Was grouping mobs 😦
proper roost
you ain't gotta do that brother you got like 5 other buttons that are way better for it
gloomy vortex
Any suggestions for the wardens with their slash in a Nelt? I’m cycling defensives but still they slash too often… is it just sidestep it?
proper roost
there is literally no world in which you should heroic throw more than once in a row
ok maybe there is a world but it'd have to be like "i'm permanently 15+ yard range of any targets whatsoever
tropic linden
U guys own. Thanks
proper roost
thunder clap has a range, you have leap, you have roar or shield charge if they're off cd, etc
I don't think it's back hits it's really just that his rage generation is really bad due to wrong buttons pressed during avatar
toxic pewter
first time in a group with 2 augvokers lol
jagged pier
Any suggestions for the wardens with their slash in a Nelt? I’m cycling defensiv...
spell block
dusky canopy
Technically could waist less rage too
dusky canopy
True yes
proper roost
go to sleep
chilly brook
F healers man
go bed smh
crude notch
No
chilly brook
gfy
crude notch
You're not my dad
toxic pewter
O_o
toxic pewter
o_O
crude notch
https://tenor.com/view/sure-john-cena-are-you-sure-gif-5783187
I like my chances, my Dad is actually smart.
chilly brook
damn everyone so rude lately
proper roost
why thank you for saying so
chilly brook
proper roost
misty sail
a quick question - is it possible that in Neltalrus you can't hit the last mobs from above with the chain if you pull them down? cant hit them and also the Bird group
hazy bronze
and healers decide not to heal it when u drop combat
Luv ticking down just standing there
crude notch
Just bubble
proper roost
There's a whitelist of mobs that you can chain