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#protection
lusty grotto
rustic tinsel
I swapped to spell block because I was getting trucked and I realized it didn’t make a difference 
lusty grotto
imagine blizzard listning to us
strong forum
and the adds interruptable
toxic pewter
Is spell block the most shittily designed talent in warrior history or what
strong forum
otherwise its GG
strong forum
Is spell block the most shittily designed talent in warrior history or what
BSV is worse
south zealot
guys no augmentation = win
toxic pewter
I was playing bear and even their 40% frenzied regeneration has a little debuff that appears when it’s in cooldown lol
lusty grotto
guys no augmentation = win
the problem is you have not a wizard there
warm plinth
Just think how much you could've done WITH an augvoker
modern gazelle
do you guys use the same enchants as on wowhead
warm plinth
I don't know what enchants are on wowhead
south zealot
same
south zealot
i use sophic and haste enchant rinfs
warm plinth
sophic on weapon, devotion of haste, waking stats, leech on cloak/wrist, fierce kit on legs
modern gazelle
lusty grotto
nope
warm plinth
Yeah I don't think those weapon enchants are accurate
lusty grotto
sophic or wafting for me
everything else looks accurate, except fuck watcher's loam
SPEED
toxic pewter
Chest waking stats gives haste/crit/ etc right? No str in there correct?
warm plinth
It's primary stats
round pendant
I just had 2 of the smoothest keys I've ever done
sick sentinel
rate gear
round pendant
and I put it down to the fact I'm only inviting people who parse 50+ in heroic raid lmao
south zealot
put a gem in ur bracers
round pendant
ever since I started doing this my keys have been EAAAASY
strong forum
gear needs enchants
lusty grotto
does anyone have a 16 alt, nimchipadin is looking to carry brother mage and you
sick sentinel
gear needs enchants
i preferr getting better stuff first and then echanting
strong forum
well
chilly brook
Just enchant now lol
sick sentinel
dont wanna waste money
chilly brook
It’s not that expensive
sick sentinel
damn ill check then
strong forum
you can fully enchant + socket your gear for like 15k total or smth
chilly brook
You get like 10k a week just by doing the weekly
strong forum
maybe 20k
strong forum
and get a several % boost in performance
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sick sentinel
strong forum
thats impressively low
toxic pewter
warm plinth
You get like 10k a week just by doing the weekly
You do the weekly?
chilly brook
My brother in Christ
strong forum
well then uh
chilly brook
Do the weekly
warm plinth
sister*
chilly brook
You do the weekly?
It’s free
warm plinth
It requires effort
toxic pewter
Go find someone to roll for bet it all
chilly brook
Quite literally requires no effort
chilly brook
You actually do
warm plinth
Takes me like 3 or 4 weeks to get enough rep for a weekly
chilly brook
If you do the loam niffen
warm plinth
I don't
warm plinth
10 mins I don't want to spend doing nonsense
I just wait for the next week and get the half spark by doing what I wanna do
sullen gust
you can fully enchant + socket your gear for like 15k total or smth
Wait you're telling me, I can put sockets into my gear? Not just vault tokens and rng?
Like they are purchasable?
strong forum
neck, yes
south zealot
only on necks using settings on the auctionhouse
strong forum
tiered medallion setting
if you have a neck without a socket
you buy 2x 2* medallion, and 1x 3*
daring marlin
It takes like 10 minutes at most
10 mins my ass
daring marlin
Researchers is like 20 mins
strong forum
and voila, you have 3 sockets on neck
sullen gust
Hell yeah, cheers! And there's no way to do that on other gear slots I assume?
south zealot
correct, only the neck
sullen gust
Sweet, well that's 2 more gems to slap onto my gear anyway, and saves wasting any by adding more to neck when I get tokens from vault
warm plinth
Just make sure you follow the ranks Nome mentioned or you're gonna have a bad time
daring marlin
At least they're cheaper now
chilly brook
Researchers is like 20 mins
I didn’t say researchers
daring marlin
you said loam
warm plinth
how else are you getting 3k rep in 10 mins then
chilly brook
You basically can do the loam niffen weekly quest by doing sniffenseek
Don’t need to do researchers
daring marlin
That doesn't give that much rep wut
strong forum
dafuq is sniffenseek
chilly brook
That doesn't give that much rep wut
It do when you get quest items
south zealot
dude u guys have to be making some shit up
round pendant
Wait so how many sockets do I need for lariat to be better?
or is that a sim question
strong forum
all
only if you have all sockets on gear
its potentially good on aoe
but shadowflame is just good cuz its prio/boss dmg
which is the most important dmg in keys
and obv in raid
round pendant
Yeah makes sense
I actually need to put that embellishment on something still
keep forgetting
daring marlin
yes
south zealot
i dont sim aoe i feelycraft it
strong forum
I did 110k overall (details) in a +16 Uldaman with an augvoker
sounds aight
ive only done UR and FH so far
and both my overalls felt poopy
round pendant
I got rank 1 in a +9 freehold ama
strong forum
need more gear and practice
i got like 116 in UR and 136 in FH
but augvoker
so issa bit less
but not happy
want moar
round pendant
yeah generally I'm happy with 80k+ in keys if I'm pulling like a baby
warm plinth
What you wanna do is just do Brackenhide and let a ton of lashers spawn and then pop a shocking disclosure pot and pad your ass off
old flame
So, is the annulet not simming correctly? it's still coming up as top in my top gear
warm plinth
Make sure you have the version set to latest
warm plinth
Top right corner of the sim options
old flame
found it, thanks
old flame
is that just becuase the weekly hasn't been updated or?
old flame
gotcha, thanks
strong forum
latest updates whatever is currently in simc
theres no reason not to stay on latest
old flame
I'll make sure to tell my guildies too
and yet magically, still annulet? I feel like I'm doing something wrong
strong forum
no your rings are just bad
sick sentinel
old flame
I thought the nelth rin was really good?
sick sentinel
so i asume i will be using my 441 from ksm on that
round pendant
oh I only got #1 cause my friend power infusioned me
strong forum
so just use double stat rings there
round pendant
rustic tinsel
strong forum
ruined
round pendant
I would have still been #1 until 2 days ago though so that's cool ig
rustic tinsel
It’s joever
old flame
so just use double stat rings there
Thanks Nome do I need to farm another ring or just... get a socket on these?
round pendant
pog
toxic pewter
osnap draenei can be red in 10.1.7
strong forum
AYO?!
old flame
WUT?
toxic pewter
ya
strong forum
fucking finally
toxic pewter
Man'ari
old flame
Eredar?
toxic pewter
old flame
wowsers
strong forum
almost considering switching to it
toxic pewter
gonna look badass
devout oyster
in the mega dungeon are you guying using m+ build or raid build?
rustic tinsel
Mega dungeon is just a boss warehouse
nocturne spindle
daring marlin
Herod set tho
lusty grotto
nimchipadin will carry but a baby mage will come
lusty grotto
if bull dpses ill go chip
craggy pilot
damn augvoker is kinda fun
but man it feels weird not being able to look at details
modern gazelle
is there a way to add sockets to gear? I didnt think there was but i saw someone talking about adding sockets recently and got confused
thought you just got lucky off drops
round pendant
you can add sockets to rings and belts with an item you buy with vault tokens
daring marlin
helm and bracer too
daring marlin
grats yogi
modern gazelle
ah, not worth then really unless bis
daring marlin
you manimal
round pendant
ah, not worth then really unless bis
Yep pretty much you only do it when your vault is dogshit, then you put it on a BiS item which are pretty easy to get this season
daring marlin
Pretty safe to toss sockets on crafted belt(if you made one)
round pendant
yeah that's where my tokens are going if my vault sucks next reset
modern gazelle
so you buy an item with the 6 tokens and add it to a gear piece you already have?
not a new item right?
round pendant
yep
modern gazelle
cool thanks
modern gazelle
so you can have more than one socket too then? guy said he had 6 on an item i think...
but that seems excessive
warm plinth
That is not possible. Dude is lying to you.
modern gazelle
oh nvm to an item that doesnt have one it says
warm plinth
the only item that can have more than 1 socket is a necklace, and you don't need the vault item for that.
modern gazelle
he mustve meant 6 items with sockets just worded it weird
round pendant
probably
warm plinth
Well, unless you count the engi items but one is a tinker socket
modern gazelle
is there anything better than a 441 forgestorm?
besides lucky as fuck vault 447 foregestorm
modern gazelle
hmm okay, gotta check what 1h would be worth
strong forum
lilith vibes
lavish oracle
I've been away from the game for like a month, are we still using the ring in M+?
round pendant
is there anything better than a 441 forgestorm?
Think forgestorm is bis ST but then equal or better ilvl weapon with strength is better for aoe
strong forum
forgestorm sims best ST but the performance swings of it are very annoying
it can do 1% of your dmg or 9%
modern gazelle
do you guys swap out weapons for m+
daring marlin
gl parsing on a 3 min fight
modern gazelle
if so what weapon do you use?
strong forum
ill default to my 447
daring marlin
watch it proc once 
modern gazelle
ill default to my 447
crafted?
strong forum
ye
modern gazelle
might just do that tbh idk what to craft this week with spark
modern gazelle
everyone is
modern gazelle
it got 40% nerf lol
lavish oracle
praise
warm plinth
Even outlaw, which was still using it for all content over 447 rings, isn't using it anymore
round pendant
what about healer ones
pallid quiver
i'm not because i just came back, didn't touch s2 at all until now, and only have 2 rings
i'll craft better when i'm done cosmetic hunting on my lock
lavish oracle
I think they meant are healers still using them for DPS
warm plinth
Healers were using it for damage if anything. I'm not sure if they are still using it for that purpose or not. I suppose it's possible that at least some would be.
sick sentinel
thats my charcter, chest?
strong forum
I think they meant are healers still using them for DPS
still no
dmg is not what you need in keys rn
lavish oracle
again, praise
pallid quiver
But Nome, we didn't clear the key because the Ret only did 135k instead of 140k! It's not because I never pressed an interrupt or defensive ability or healing spell the entire instance
warm plinth
probably chest, yeah @sick sentinel
strong forum
crit/haste?
yes
modern gazelle
yes
thanks, gotta double check but im pretty sure thatll be my best craft this week
vagrant oracle
Voice of the SIlent star backpiece yay or nay?
toxic pewter
f that cloak
strong forum
raid, yayish
m+ FUCK NO
the cloak only procs 3-5 times per key*
so absolute waste of space
in raid its good on most bosses
vagrant oracle
I've been running with a 441 for a minute and so it's an ilvl inc, but if it isn't a huge bump I'd rather it go to one of my healers or DPS
I won the roll, tryna be that good guildie team player
warm plinth
If you have the option to give it to someone else, you should
strong forum
^
vagrant oracle
Good stuff. Thanks y'all
strong forum
its lack of stamina + awful procrate in m+ is just useless
strong forum
it takes minimum 2 minutes of continous combat to proc
cuz it resets stacks when you leave combat every now and again
iirc theres 15sec grace period on it too
so like
just turbo useless
jagged gust
idk I had a group that failed to dodge a single avalanche in nl earlier, woulda procced like crazy
strong forum
idk I had a group that failed to dodge a single avalanche in nl earlier, woulda ...
it can literally only proc 5 times per minute
and you need 10 stacks to get the buff
theres no such thing as "the more smth happens the more procs you get from items"
theres a maximum to it
jagged gust
so my ppm just needs to match the groups dpm (Deaths per minute)
warm plinth
strong forum
no
youre the tank
it procs when others take dmg
you legit only get 3-5 buff procs per dungeon
its dogshit in m+
uneven mason
idk I had a group that failed to dodge a single avalanche in nl earlier, woulda ...
We miss you grieftorch
warm plinth
I was using that shit on my hunter until very recently and every time my group mates died, I would thank them in voice
strong forum
buddy of mine had a weakaura
that would whisper anybody who died with "thank you for resetting my grieftorch"
daring marlin
Class set mogs are kinda pog
strong forum
they shouldve never gone away from em
round pendant
I feel like grieftorch is actually probably still good in pug raids
I still have my 421 one so I might try it next time I raid
lmao
strong forum
good chance ye
sick sentinel
when i started nelth 11 today
i did 1 pull like this
oh no
jordan in my guild
asking me to do keys
modern gazelle
any tips for experiments on mythic?
save some def on first 2 boss with lust then mass defense during next set of 2 bosses?
no spell block right?
fast knot
second boss autos faster so I had my ppal/monk take them usually to ensure less stacks for me
just make sure you clear as much as possible as soon as that debuff drops because your stacks are going to absolutely dumpster after 3rd boss comes out
Spell Block doesn't block application of dot so don't run it
warm plinth
You should also have rogue/lock/dk make sure they're running and using the attack speed slows for their respective classes
Will reduce stack speed quite a bit
modern gazelle
okay thanks
proper roost
ohh
that's why the ppm for sark cloak was decent as fury in keys
was proccing off the tank dtps
never actually looked at the proc condition for it...
sick sentinel
looks like trap group to me
no natural lust
tho, i think i will attempt more VP, that one seems easy enough
warm plinth
It's fortified, who cares if you have lust
just bring a drum for the last birdman pack
and you're golden
uneven mason
just bring a drum for the last birdman pack
Hardest boss in VP is getting 2 DPS to kick rally on that pack
sick sentinel
leatherworker doenst get a perma drums any more right
i dunno if one even exists in df
uneven mason
Nope
sick sentinel
i mean they did literally invent dragons
warm plinth
Hardest boss in VP is getting 2 DPS to kick rally on that pack
not even lying hahaha
sick sentinel
for some reason
every single VP i ever run, we go in, somebody immediately dies to like, nothing
within 20 seconds
uneven mason
every single VP i ever run, we go in, somebody immediately dies to like, nothing
On fort weeks the casts on trash are no joke
sick sentinel
i had brain fog and pulled the second dragon on a baby VP
sick sentinel
did a baby 13 VP and just W' charged into second dragon
uneven mason
When you have 2-3 of the little dudes if they all target the same character
warm plinth
What's wrong w/ pulling 2nd dragon
uneven mason
Nothing
warm plinth
Shouldn't make a bit of difference on a 13
sick sentinel
are the stars even really that scary
uneven mason
Some groups don't understand how to bait the breath
sick sentinel
lik even on fort
warm plinth
On a 13, nothing is scary. On high keys, it can be depending on your comp.
sick sentinel
on 17 or 20 say
warm plinth
I usually just let the healer decide. Some prefer healing the 2nd dragon, some prefer healing the spread stars
strange lintel
running 16s now and i keep finding someone standing smack dab on the middle of the healing circle
strange lintel
gota stop and tell em to pick left or right
then they walk off the circle
and i facepalm
uneven mason
running 16s now and i keep finding someone standing smack dab on the middle of t...
If it wasn't so infuriating it'd be funny
sick sentinel
i have to both put the dragon close enough to circle that dps can get in it on time to not die to breath, but also keep him out of it or he heals to to full
warm plinth
His hitbox is very generous w/ the healing circle
sick sentinel
have to do a similiar thing with the packs that invovle the whatever it is lighning cant be cast spells on inwards
warm plinth
And you don't use the circle to survive breath; you use it to help survive the icy buffet
sick sentinel
get the mobs close to the safe zone so melee (mostly) can sit in it and hit mobs
warm plinth
You don't pull mobs with the dragon
The only real options to even pull with them are assassins and they will port to people inside the circle and heal
uneven mason
That's another "plz kick" on fort
sick sentinel
what i saw in my 13 was, dragon turns and breathes on someone they die, repeat like 3 times
dusky canopy
Do I need to actively try to pickup these cdr things the aug bois put out?
sick sentinel
so then i just took dragon closert
dusky canopy
have yet to play with one
uneven mason
The ghosts living 5x as long as needed
dusky canopy
about to be my first time
warm plinth
Pretty sure all their shit will automatically go to people
sick sentinel
the gohsts have a 12ss self destruct tdot on them
dusky canopy
kk sweet
warm plinth
Also pro tip on the assassins by the 2nd dragon
Pull all 4, have your dps/healer stand with their back to one of the pillars on the sides of the stairs
they'll still leap to them but they can't get behind them to hit them
Makes it free
sick sentinel
thats the bridge pull?
uneven mason
After the bridge pull
warm plinth
No you know in 2nd dragon room there's 2 2-packs of assassins?
sick sentinel
there is a big gross bridge pull berfore 2nd boss
warm plinth
That patrol around
sick sentinel
i don't want to think about what taht pack does
uneven mason
That pack gets disrupting shouted and shockwaved
warm plinth
I assume there's a place to do it on the previous assassin pulls too but I can't seem to find it. The pillars there don't seem to work even though they're the same type
uneven mason
Is what they do
round pendant
I love getting declined from +16s
chilly brook
chilly brook
can't guarantee I'll be worth a shit rn tbh lol
sick sentinel
ya, i got ksm today
daring marlin
Chadyssian lookin' good with his new model.
warm plinth
i might go push som real keys tonight and tomorrow
@sick sentinel @proper roost https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20230715T20&p0=64&msg=yogi's+first+%2B20&font=slab&csz=1
daring marlin
17s good for hero track gear
sick sentinel
cuz i know those ones all too well, already seen into the future how those keys are going to screw up and prevented it
only thing i dont know, is how much dmg 20 fh abilities do
warm plinth
Abilities are pretty much fine, but knuckledusters hit like a truck
Easy on war though since you just block them
Oiled blade is spicy but that's about it
sick sentinel
my FH groups like to die to brutal backhand alot
uneven mason
my FH groups like to die to brutal backhand alot
One of the most telegraphed attacks
Like it has a 3sncrankup time
warm plinth
He doesn't do anything. He just hits hard.
sick sentinel
a bit here we go again, but, any chance of a log sometime? or like, a still from a key of someone doing it
so i can have an idea how much it hit for
you are telling me its going to hurt if i don't block it
warm plinth
Yeah you'll be fine; you have like 90%+ blocked hits in every log I've seen you post
It's not like he's gonna 1-shot you. You'll just feel it if you don't block in some of the pulls
modern gazelle
can plater or elvui make friendly target markers bigger?
lusty grotto
wdym
warm plinth
No idea
lusty grotto
chilly brook
AUGVOKER TRASH
kek
warm plinth
AUGVOKER TRASH
Man what kind of shit evoker is that smh my head
chilly brook
better than me fr fr
round pendant
can plater or elvui make friendly target markers bigger?
You mean these things? yes
at least I think so
Yeah you can but only up to 2x bigger for some reason
round pendant
https://twitter.com/coffeeandsteve/status/1679617337215860736?s=46&t=pKJqAaes9gy...
This shit makes me depressed
chilly brook
I def need to practice more on simpvoker but it's fun
toxic pewter
I kick any augmentation I encounter I dont got time for low numbers
toxic pewter
“I was doing that much in SL” LOL
warm plinth
Fire mage seems totally fine though tbh
toxic pewter
Well, not EVERY one
What ability is that
warm plinth
No idea
toxic pewter
I saw it on twitch lol. Looks pretty cool I’ll say that
pliant flint
What ability is that
Fate mirror proccing I believe
toxic pewter
That’s busted
graceful granite
What the fuck do I do during deios?
Like jesus christ
I'm having to have paladins LoH me, healers run out of mana trying to keep me alive, me using /every/ cooldown and still dying. Me survivng the first phase seems completely random.
chilly brook
Tf is deios
graceful granite
Final boss of the mega dungeon
graceful granite
Hits you with a cone attack that puts a magical damage dot on you that just... murders you. Meanwhile there's two unavoidable dots that drop constantly and have to be staggered to not kill /everyone/ by having one person sit under one to slow it down but not /too/ long
It can't be spell reflected, all of it is magical damage so my armor is useless, shield wall has too long of a cooldown to be reliable, and the DR on spell reflect is only available every other cast of it because it's got weird timing.
I'm 440, I shoudl not be dropping like this
Especially after I just soloed morchie without even being tickled.
warm plinth
How long is the phase, and does it only do the cone in the first phase?
graceful granite
Cone is in both first and second phase. The phase lasts as long as it takes to kill 2 groups of ads before a third group spawns and becomes the gate to phase 2, cones stop after the third group spawns
I typically have to eat 4 cones
Each cone does over 100k a second after dealing an instant 500k
To top it off, the ads are spawning smaller ads that are also hitting me for a sizeable amount, at least their damage can be mitigated by armor slightly
chilly brook
Leap out of range?
Looking at this now
Idk just looks like you eat it and pop a CD if you can
Are you using defensive stance when it happens?
Cuz that’s on demand 15% DR
Instant 500k also seems insane tbh
toxic pewter
Cuz that’s on demand 15% DR
20% dr now
graceful granite
<@193951093221359616>
When that happens the whole gropu dies, not jsut me
chilly brook
Ok what about defensive stance?
graceful granite
Obviously it's on.
chilly brook
500k instant sounds wildly off
chilly brook
Obviously it's on.
I mean it’s not entirely obvious. It wasn’t stated and a lot of people just don’t press the button
graceful granite
I have it !macro'd to my defensive buttons just in case I forget it.
graceful granite
Leap out of range?
You cannot leap out of range of the ability. It hits the entire room.
chilly brook
Watching other people do it
It’s like 300k hit and the dot looks pretty manageable
Adds are focus
What’s probably blasting you is the dots from the keepers
graceful granite
I am aware of the mechanics of the encounter, I am telling you that the healer cannot keep me alive in spite of me doing the mechanics and the dps doing the mechanics.
chilly brook
I’m just trying to figure out where the problem is fam
graceful granite
The ads are hitting me, yes
chilly brook
Don’t have logs to look at
graceful granite
I unfortunately didn't log, no
chilly brook
So kinda have to start from the ground up
The only place I’m seeing tanks really get punished hard is the double keeper portion
graceful granite
I'm taking a ton of damage at the second and fourth breaths, the ones I don't have SR up for
chilly brook
How fast are the keepers dying?
graceful granite
Fast enough that I only eat 4 breaths in P1
warm plinth
It's doing 500k AFTER defensives?
round pendant
tfw no one's doing the key I need to get 2k rating
chilly brook
I’m trying to get to bed at a decent time otherwise I’d join you
round pendant
and ofc the one group shows up and the guy declines me because he's a fuckin clown
round pendant
I’m trying to get to bed at a decent time otherwise I’d join you
Aren't you NA anyway
warm plinth
That's a non-crit?
Because my beacon has definitely crit for that much
Or done that much on Harlan sub-30%
Oh I see what you're saying. Fate Mirror procced off beacon and that's why it did the 168k
warm plinth
Gonna be interesting to see how they do that. That's gonna be one giant whitelist lol
how's that
oh lol
Isn't it kind of unrealistic to expect that to happen in a key though (for pwar) since it spawns near the evoker?
chilly brook
No one is taking this though
It bad
?
Wut
You don’t take mote
In any of the builds
These are all 4 of the current builds
Half of the classes that could benefit from motes get garbage value because it’s either a bad class or a bad spell
The other half get garbage value because it desyncs CDs
It’s super niche
And the motes can spawn in narnia
Soooo
The whole augmentation chat disagrees
graceful granite
Not just monk and rogue. The original trinket amp removal was due to fury/arms and draught of souls in nighthold.
chilly brook
I’m gonna be real pretty sure that getting an extra bloodlust everytime you breath is going to be more damage for the person you’re buffing
Since like more haste=more uptime on ebon might in most cases
I don’t think 10 seconds off avatar is going to benefit warrior that much if they have to spend 5 seconds of not hitting something everytime they wanna grab a mote that spawned off in Africa
warm plinth
I BLESS THE RAINS DOWN IN AFFFFRICAAAAAA
chilly brook
Not my photo
But literally you can see the first mote the dude spawned is on the pvp dummy
So random on where it goes and almost always inconvenient
proper roost
ya i mean
it's really bad for most specs
like for most dps
because it just desyncs all your shit
i'm sure there is some dps spec that has weird cd timers that would always benefit from mote, but that's a rarity
proper roost
fury and arms don't really gain anything for example because it desyncs off roar/spear and fury runs 1.5min trinket to sync with avatar
well, maybe it'd be good for arms, idk
desyncing roar for arms isn't a huge deal
the desyncs are just the bad part
I don't think the moving to get it is bad at all
There is literally no amount of movement as dps war that would cause me to lose 5 seconds of uptime
Basically, any spec that could actually use MOTE to reduce cds and not care about desync, has fairly weak cds anyway so it would like extra not matter for them?
chilly brook
There is literally no amount of movement as dps war that would cause me to lose ...
Not entirely true here. In this case the target is the cleave dummy’s, the mote is the pvp dummy so you either leap to it and charge back or run and charge back but depending on how often they spawn and more importantly where you’re not always going to have enhanced movement to get there fast
Running out and charging back in will cost you 2 globals for sure
That adds up
Either way though it’s just not the move for the talent on the end of the evoker
proper roost
leaping out and charging doesn't cost any gcds, both of them are off gcd
I literally move out to soak all the time on m rashok with no gcd loss
moving to get the motes is a zero issue because you don't need to get them instantly
like you can choose to run out when you're on fillers... pretty straightforward
or mid gcd
chilly brook
leaping out and charging doesn't cost any gcds, both of them are off gcd
They are but it still takes time that you’re not hitting the boss
chilly brook
?
proper roost
and this isn't even accounting for the 90% of melee who have +8yd extra melee range
big L statements
modern gazelle
at what point do you not need to tank swap on mythic amalg? guild i was trialing for didnt have me tank swap at all on first phase and it felt easy, wondering what the breakpoints are
proper roost
was the raid swapping?
the tanks don't really need to swap unless your dps is atrocious, the main reason that you swap the bosses via the tanks is so the dps don't have to move sides
modern gazelle
kind of, all mdps on fire and range on shadow, then burn fire with everyone once shadow was a bit lower
so ranged moved but melee didnt go to shadow really
ionic fern
at what point do you not need to tank swap on mythic amalg? guild i was trialing...
We just swapped after each big mechanic. But we did that boss ages ago.
You can probably just zerg it now with the increase in gear.
modern gazelle
mostly just wondering cause i still see a lot of people tank swapping 1-2 times
proper roost
I mean
it's safer
🤷
and like I said that has nothing to do with the tanks
the swap is for the raid
modern gazelle
yeah that answers my question, cause i didnt feel i needed to swap
but if its for anyone else then that makes sense
proper roost
people just killed it that way for their initial kill and kept it same because there is like zero point to optimize that ifght
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
ionic fern
Hi, ily.
warm plinth
Guys I think it is truly the time to change my name to something else.
modern gazelle
got experiments down to final boss 70% but ran out of time
warm plinth
I think Barbaric Training has been, for the most part, defeated.
proper roost
just confirm that prot warrior is F tier as written by subcreation
modern gazelle
2nd phase hits so hard
proper roost
modern gazelle
just confirm that prot warrior is F tier as written by subcreation
not true, in last patch we got bumped up to D tier on subcreation
along with brewmasters
warm plinth
just confirm that prot warrior is F tier as written by subcreation
Done
modern gazelle
C tier this week even for m+
nvm for raid we f tier
how the hell is veng DH that low in terms of DPS?
druids and brew doing more damage in raid???
boreal lake
Mornin:) What do u guys think about Prophetic Stonescales cheat death trinket? Any good for m+?
modern gazelle
Mornin:) What do u guys think about Prophetic Stonescales cheat death trinket? A...
quazii says itll likely be good, going off past cheat death
people here say "DPS better you idiot, dead mob wont damage you"
ionic fern
I don't like cheat death trinkets.
modern gazelle
jeez druid do be slapping
boreal lake
Ok then will farm for Mark of Darghul a bit more:)
modern gazelle
i personally feel like defensive trinks are underrated, having them as backup is nice and usually its not a massive dps loss, like 2% maybe from what ive seen simming stuff
i also have not been running super high keys though, still farming 16-20s
ionic fern
Idm defensive trinkets. It's just that majority of them are trash.
urban portal
yeah 90% of tank trinkets are trash
because they dont know what tanks want
if i was to make a tank trinket, i would make it so its a trinket that does damage on a proc when off cd
modern gazelle
cheat death in raid might be more worth though, like on rashok or something
urban portal
and on cd it puts a big shield
modern gazelle
if other tank fucks up you are gucci
urban portal
cheat death is good in very cutting edge prog
because you know when you are going to die
and you can keep progging
modern gazelle
basically a long cd in that case
urban portal
but definitely not great in m+
modern gazelle
do you play druid? how often do you have to weave forms?
urban portal
druid should weave forms a lot in raid
boreal lake
My other option is Heelsteel RAID trinket and Storm something vers trinket. Dont have a lot od options here
urban portal
you dont have to weave in m+
modern gazelle
bleh, ill stick to learning DH and Pally then, not a fan of weaving
ionic fern
do you play druid? how often do you have to weave forms?
Not really, no, just doing some +16 keys.
Don't think they weave forms?
modern gazelle
also on mythic experiements, how bad is it to sit in def stance?
ionic fern
Je, Pumps is sitting in Bear form 24/7 in raids.
modern gazelle
had to start doing that cause 2nd phase was hitting so hard and i was running out of cds
urban portal
if you gotta live you gotta live
ionic fern
So no, guardian druids don't weave.
urban portal
but it actually doesnt matter
modern gazelle
2nd phase did feel easier when i told dps/heals to save an external for me right before breath
druid started giving me barkskin around then and went way smoother since thats when all my cds were finally gone
urban portal
the wowhead guide still does it
but its honestly whatever id imagine
probably should ask in druid disc
urban portal
buffs, and meta shifts
remember that tanks arent that far away from each other
sometimes all it takes is 2/3 people to play it
for it to be "meta"
round pendant
They should give us tank ONLY trinkets that have cool and unique effects
But DPS/heals can't use them
Would open up some cool ideas imo
Like cc trinkets?? Pog??
urban portal
i dont think that'll ever exist
modern gazelle
wouldnt be hard, just require tank spec for trink to work
ionic fern
Experiments is one of the bosses where i actually weaved in defensive stance.
And a defensive trinket.
modern gazelle
yeah i put on my faceless ire lol
urban portal
they really dont like gating this stuff behind spec requirement
round pendant
I don't see why
ionic fern
Any tank can be meta if 3 big streamers play it.
urban portal
the best way to gate it is through stamina
ionic fern
urban portal
but we saw how that worked out with codex
its a decent trinket that got shafted by no main stat
modern gazelle
but if its stam we may not use cause we like strength
round pendant
If only tanks could use the trinket it lets them do some crazy shit with it
urban portal
you gate healers by making the trinket not int
thats the easiest way
gating dps just needs to make it not do damage
not too difficult
round pendant
Idk man it was just an idea
urban portal
trust me
they would not use a tank trinket if it did no damage
except in freehold
living eudora pistols
urban portal
its like
tank trinket cant just give a shield
thats fking useless
cheat death is fine
but just not great in m+
the VP trinket is pretty decent for what a tank trinket wants to be
strong damage proc on getting hit
modern gazelle
tank trink that gives like 8s interrupt aura
round pendant
CCs, defensives that are more than a shield, talent-in-a-slot, things that tanks would want. I'm just saying if you make them tank-only you could do unique and impactful things beyond just "more damage" or "more shield"
ionic fern
Know what i want?
I want a Sac trinket.
round pendant
Since rn if you have some busted utility trink the entire group could equip it lol
graceful granite
I never want talent in a slot gear again.
Especially with the current talent system
round pendant
I never want talent in a slot gear again.
I think trinkets are the best slots for that tho
modern gazelle
feign death/lose agro tank trinket
graceful granite
Also how do you even SCALE talent in a slot as a trinket
modern gazelle
so you can troll and kill someone being toxic
ionic fern
"Sacrifice a random DPS, killing them instantly, unable to be resurrected for the rest of the dungeon, but you gain +300% DPS and an additional interrupt".
Yes.
Please.
modern gazelle
bro give me 3
ionic fern
Would be like a pug dream trinket.
round pendant
Pog
graceful granite
No, the best trinkets for tanks are things like the trinket off the first boss in the last raid
urban portal
none of those things you listed DPS would want
ionic fern
No one would use a CC trinket outside of top people.
graceful granite
They do both defensive and offensive things at the same time
urban portal
except talent in a slot
ionic fern
Not unless it's paired with a ton of DPS.
crude notch
No, the best trinkets for tanks are things like the trinket off the first boss i...
Except that trinket was poop
graceful granite
A CC trinket would likely not be wanted by anyone at any level, it'd be attractive for PvP (which is why it won't happen) but in PvE nobody is going to give up a large chunk of DPS or healing throughput for it
graceful granite
Except that trinket was poop
That was literally our best M+ trinket in S1.
ionic fern
A CC trinket would likely not be wanted by anyone at any level, it'd be attracti...
Maybe if they can swap talents around and avoid taking a CC talent.
That would make up for the DPS loss.
graceful granite
Nobody loses that much DPS to take a CC talent
urban portal
decoration of flame?
graceful granite
I know warriors sure as shit don't
urban portal
that trinket is every whatever
crude notch
That was literally our best M+ trinket in S1.
Decoration of Flame was certainly not the best m+ trinket in S1
urban portal
unless you did the trick
round pendant
If it's tank-only you can give it damage though, hence the idea
urban portal
if you knew the trinket it was good
ionic fern
I'm pretty much a 1 trick.
round pendant
Yeah idk what trinket they're referring to
graceful granite
With the WoD->Shadowlands talent system I could see a talent trinket working
much like the talent legendary ring worked
round pendant
Only bis m+ trinket I can think of is all-totem
urban portal
hes talking about this
graceful granite
But with the current talents - there just isn't enough room to make one work even if you make it fully fill up a keystone and its sub talents
round pendant
Bro deco stinks
graceful granite
hes talking about this
Specifically the mythic raid version.
urban portal
this thing can do insane damageif you know the trick
no
it was not bis
it was decent to good
but not bis
actually all trinkets were shit
soyeah it was just the least bad of all
yooo
round pendant
The damage is nice if you do it right but eh I'd rather use all-totem
urban portal
archi writes for prot?
round pendant
Since when do we trust bloodmallet
ionic fern
archi writes for prot?
Archi does ProtArms/Fury.
urban portal
the BIS last tier was icon+all totem
urban portal
both were insanely good trinkets
round pendant
I never got icon in the entire season 😭
south zealot
who does the prot apl
urban portal
mwahi i think
graceful granite
Anyways it was in the wowhead guide as one of the best trinkets for M+ last season.
urban portal
yeah below icon and all totem
ionic fern
Nomeratur did the latest changes iirc.
I haven't touched it in a while.
urban portal
all totem was pulling so hard above its weight
round pendant
I used a 408 one lmao
urban portal
and icon for the rest of the group+secondaries
south zealot
i saw an all totem drop once ever
urban portal
which is all good
graceful granite
I never won a roll on all totem
ionic fern
all totem was pulling so hard above its weight
KNow what else is pulling above it's weight?
Boon still being r1 in AoE.
😂
urban portal
If it's tank-only you can give it damage though, hence the idea
speaking of icon
instead of blocking it out for non tanks
you can just make it do additional things for tank
ionic fern
some mob will just strafe and hit from behind
That's a sacrifice i'm willing to make.
south zealot
fair enough
round pendant
Wait I vendored boon
urban portal
lets say it does 100k damage
50% more and CC for tanks
and gives like 400 crit to dps
5% mana to healers if you are into that
south zealot
i dont like tanking much when its hard to live
urban portal
but we can always block healers
south zealot
i dont want all the burden being on me
round pendant
I just want impactful trinkets that aren't just "does a lot of damage" but I guess it's all just about killing shit faster at the end of the day
graceful granite
We're all just DPS
As they say in FFXIV, tanks are just 'blue' (because the color of the icon) DPS
modern gazelle
i dont like tanking much when its hard to live
i like when its hard to live but not when its like to the extend i literally am out of cds and have to rely on others
if its too easy then its like im just a meat shield, need a challenge
round pendant
I feel like only a few things are actually hard to survive, the rest is on the shoulders of the DPS imo
Having tried arms recently I've realised how people in my keys when I'm tanking are absolutely awful at the game
So now I'm extremely picky with who I invite
Suddenly my keys are fun again
crude notch
Aug channel moving so fast I feel like I'm looking at twitch chat
proper roost
has something changed?
crude notch
Not really just fotm channel being fotm+new spec
As I've found out the last 48 hours reading up on the latest things happening in WoW while playing WoW is a foreign concept.
And so a lot of the playerbase is only just now seeing augmentation is even a thing
proper roost
ah
crude notch
It's fun watching. It's unique from like a whole new class because that usually separates people, but when it's just one spec everyone piles in.
modern gazelle
i feel lik eaug is gonna be a shitty spec to play
cause its gonna be one of those specs thats OP af then absolute trash
rinse and repeat cause blizz wont know how to balance it
and on top of that if dps meters for it arent changed anyone without 2 brain cells is gonna think aug is doing trash dps and be toxic
jagged pier
who cares about dps meters
just look at logs
plus anyone with 2 brain cells can see that the other 3 specs in m+ or the other dps in the raid are doing like 2x- 3x their normal damage
echo egret
Admonishing Shout (New) Shouts insults at nearby targets, causing them to deal 5% reduced damage. 2 sec cast.
That's hilarious
warm plinth
At this point, my opinion is that the play is they need to make support a new archetype. Make more support specs, and shift the group meta to 1 tank, 1 healer, 2 dps, 1 support for dungeons. Not sure what the breakdown would look for raids but they'd figure it out.
If they don't do that, I can't see how augmentation isn't going to either be a.) mandatory, b.) trash, or c.) basically just another dps that contributes differently, in which case what's the point of a support spec in the first place.
crude notch
My opinion is, where's my pocket auggie
crude notch
Nah it's something I don't really have an overarching opinion on because I don't see how they juggle it going forward without pissing people off or continuing to confuse the hell out of the people that don't consume wowhead, discord, etc. which is a majority of the playerbase, but now it's on the table it's going to have to be juggled somehow.
crude notch
Do you think my new name is good Jordan?
I love it. Top tier memes.
warm plinth
Thank you
jagged pier
i prefered the old one
i mean tbh its more like option c they are basically giving ppl their damage which isnt that hard to tune yes it interacts differently with different specs
but if u look at logs u know they just look like another dps
warm plinth
It's probably the most likely option that it ends up just being a different kind of DPS
But that'll be kind of a bummer
fast edge
Hey all 🙂
I tanked Blood dk for first half season 1 and haven’t tanked since. Would like to try tanking again - is prot warrior very limited in M+? (What I’m reading is saying DH/Bear/Pally are much better)
crude notch
Hey all 🙂
I tanked Blood dk for first half season 1 and haven’t tanked since. ...
Based on this limited interaction what tank you pick will not matter in the slightest. You will perform best on what you enjoy.
south zealot
Hey all 🙂
I tanked Blood dk for first half season 1 and haven’t tanked since. ...
prot is fine in keys
its worse than bear and vdh for sure but doesnt struggle until high keys
crude notch
I see moo mucking up in the commits all the time.
crude notch
PWAR IS SANDBAGGING
fast edge
its worse than bear and vdh for sure but doesnt struggle until high keys
What do you consider high?
crude notch
Call the police
jagged pier
wf keys
south zealot
What do you consider high?
the only key i actually struggled with was certain pulls on 24 fort hoi and uldaman so far
south zealot
but those can be mitigated with party members actually fucking using their stops
jagged pier
like its nothing to do with VDH and druid are better in terms of tankiness
the thing is VDH and druid do far far more damage
and as mostly the best comps are magic
VDH is kinda
an easy pick as more damage for free
but also druid
south zealot
the thing is VDH and druid do far far more damage
i dont think this is true
jagged pier
and aug combo kinda broken
crude notch
I don't think anyone knows where anyone lies at damage right now
ionic fern
VDH slaps.
jagged pier
ionic fern
And so does druid.
jagged pier
plus the 90k hps from a druid as well
jagged pier
i mean the highest ive seen a prot on deatils is 150k
crude notch
And that was who with what comp when
crude notch
No shot
jagged pier
165k
crude notch
You're actually that dumb
jagged pier
while active
crude notch
After we just had that conversation
About details and logs
You're comparing Bear details to PWar logs
Smh
jagged pier
right
if u let me finish
i was going to log a 19 freehold run of me yesterday
so u can compare druid and warrior on log
dumbass
crude notch
If I let you finish? You're the one that determines when you press enter idiot.
jagged pier
both with an aug
ionic fern
Keep your personal insults out of this.
crude notch
Saying you're on the same level as Pumps is entertaining at best.
jagged pier
🤷
south zealot
the keys are wildly different
i agree bear does more@damage i just dont think its as much as you said
crude notch
These are actual reddit levels of comparison
crude notch
You're being painfully obtuse for someone who holds the title of SF
ionic fern
You're being painfully obtuse for someone who holds the title of SF
And you're providing nothing to push your claim, which is no better.