because he's doing 26s with his team
#protection
crude notch
warm plinth
Yeah he plays with a set group anyway
crude notch
And let's ignore the fact that Brew is doing 180k in keys without an augvoker.
warm plinth
It's like every spec they touched in the patch is just giga right now
sick sentinel
shoulders chest helmet is nice rest is trash imo
warm plinth
pretty insane
sick sentinel
good for paladin priest
daring marlin
yogi you are fake news
sick sentinel
i want the shoulders and then i dont care lol
crude notch
Imma say it this definitely a prisoner of the moment take but goddamn this patch is buggy af
warm plinth
I love how Blizzard is usually like we changed some talents around so here is a refund of some of your talent points to reassign
But this time they were like nah we're just gonna put them in for you
for bear 
sick sentinel
Imma say it this definitely a prisoner of the moment take but goddamn this patch...
snafu
crude notch
I love how Blizzard is usually like we changed some talents around so here is a ...
Also if you go perusing through the 29 UR that Nerf did...
crude notch
Bear so stronk don't even need DoC
warm plinth
Do you prefer the moonfire build or the flashing claws build?
crude notch
Well moonfire build is bugged, but even unbugged I prefer FC build 100%
warm plinth
What happened?
daring marlin
I invited a second warlock
lol
Maybe he thinks only one spoils can drop
idk man
What makes him a weirdo is he put me on ignore to "avoid the idiocy"
mighty valley
don't expect big things out of someone called "me great"
lusty grotto
lol
protagonist syndrome
btw
achievement progress was reset, in case anyone here was working towards something
probably will be restored later on, but just a heads up
round pendant
I actually like blizz's attitude on aug evoker
they should not add those aug hooks to the ingame addon api
warm plinth
Why not
round pendant
Because the point of the spec is to make other peoples numbers bigger
crude notch
they still do that tbf
no matter how it reads on a log or a details sheet you're still buffing other people's damage
round pendant
Yeah, ofc no matter how you represent it, it's still the same
warm plinth
I had my dentist appointment this morning 
crude notch
TEEFERS
round pendant
maybe details could just show "Contributed by evoker's name: x% xx.xK DPS" or something
rather than adding the dps to the evoker's number
warm plinth
I have gum disease 
crude notch
rather than adding the dps to the evoker's number
that's silly because then you can just put a script in to make it contribute it to the voker
warm plinth
It's not super bad but I have to go in and get a deep clean and my top wisdom teeth pulled (I don't have bottom ones so the top ones are just kinda...there)
round pendant
Gum disease is pretty broad from "just a bit of yuckers where it shouldn't be" to "your teeth are rotting from the inside out"
round pendant
that's silly because then you can just put a script in to make it contribute it ...
yeah that's true, so they just shouldn't add those hooks ingame
warm plinth
I'm somewhere in the middle
crude notch
But there's already hooks in game for logs
round pendant
I feel like I don't have bottom wisdom teeth, I'm 27 and they've never come out đ¤
but my top ones came out really late too
hardy snow
or maybe just people should chill out and dont cry over numbers in details so much? đ¤
crude notch
round pendant
or maybe just people should chill out and dont cry over numbers in details so mu...
Honestly I think damage meters are the main reason a lot of absolute clowns play this game
last night I had such a nice group, the only things people said were compliments
it was fuckin amazing
we even did a second key together
warm plinth
I feel like I don't have bottom wisdom teeth, I'm 27 and they've never come out ...
I never grew the bottom ones. Not everyone grows wisdom teeth so it's normal
round pendant
and no joke I think it's because the aug evoker was buffing the shit out of the healer and hunter's dps
warm plinth
I'm 34 so I'm well past the age where they would've come in
crude notch
was the hunter bm or?
round pendant
Aug evokers make people happier as long as those people aren't look to shit on other people for doing worse than them because then the evoker becomes the target
round pendant
was the hunter bm or?
mm I think
crude notch
well then it doesn't show up (:
round pendant
according to wcl, 11k of his damage was because of the evoker
so his number in details was likely like 20k higher than normal
which made him a happy chappy
warm plinth
blizzard pls, just one crumb of connection
warm plinth
D:
sick sentinel
420 ay lmao
round pendant
tho I don't think the wcl parsing is perfect when aug evokers are involved because I'm doing less damage than before after removing their buffs
đ¤
mighty valley
the ring nerfs were big
round pendant
Feels bad that my parses are compared to 10.1 then
feels like it should be separated
hazy bronze
They normally do
round pendant
Oh I'm talking about meaningless dungeon parses since I haven't raided yet
mighty valley
oh
warm plinth
they are separated
mighty valley
then you're comparing worthless data to other worthless data lmao
round pendant
well I like to know if my damage is alright for the key level
obviously there's a lot of factors involved in key dps
lusty grotto
wdym
ring nerfs did nothing to my parses except go up
even with diurna nerf, i got bigger parses in raid
round pendant
talkin' bout dungeon parses
lusty grotto
the same logic applies
mighty valley
i really don't think you can draw anything from key parses
lusty grotto
you dont think i used ST ring for parsing in raid?
crude notch
not to mention running the annulet in m+ was already int'ing
round pendant
Well before this patch I was getting 92+ parses as arms in keys (I don't know how to play arms)
and now I'm getting 80-90
last dungeon I got 71 somehow, dunno how it was that bad other than being a long key
lusty grotto
crude notch
parse numbers in keys are pure dumb
lusty grotto
i tank in raid too
round pendant
I mean, they're a direct comparison to other players playing your spec in those key levels
lusty grotto
what do you think i do?
im in #protection all day, do you really thing i say parses and mean fury or arms lol
crude notch
There's far more variables in keys than when you pull a singular raid boss
round pendant
what do you think i do?
I wasn't saying anything about you, I'm just saying I have nothing to compare between patches as arms since I didn't raid as arms, but also I'll definitely pump harder when tanking because I got better gear after reset
daring marlin
round pendant
yeah cause I was like 425-430 ilvl
crude notch
well
round pendant
after patch I swapped obv
daring marlin
421 rings>>>annulet for arms tho
crude notch
arms didn't get compensation for you being an idiot and running bad gear
lusty grotto
i hope you realize these are not due to dps, these are due to key level
sick sentinel
oh gross, i think i forgot to turn off loot as protection for that key i ran
cuz i was farming for shield mog
round pendant
i hope you realize these are not due to dps, these are due to key level
Yes I understand how the wcl interface works
crude notch
"My parses are down because they nerfed the ring I was running on a class that shouldn't run it and thus didn't get compensation"
Obviously
mighty valley
was it that bad for arms? had to get at least 435+ ring to outsim annulet as fury for me
lusty grotto
how are you looking at your parses then? are you going into each dungeon and log to check damage?
seems kinda pointless?
crude notch
I mean it literally doesn't matter his spec didn't get compensated for running the ring
because you weren't supposed to run it
mighty valley
we don't need to do this pile-on but tldr parse numbers from keys aren't very helpful like ever, there's too many variables at play
lusty grotto
yeah i think that's basically what jordan is saying
crude notch
if anything you're contributing to the pile on by saying
mighty valley
yeah i'm just trying to close this out here lol
south zealot
only thing that matters is if you do rank 1 damage 
round pendant
I fucking simmed my rings and annulet did better on 5 targets so idk what the problem is with my choice to use the annulet before this patch
south zealot
of all tanks
warm plinth
Harrow: we don't need to do this pile-on
Also Harrow: piles on
:p
round pendant
I had no good rings and didn't craft one til this patch
crude notch
Okay but then why are you shocked
that your damage went down?
if the annulet was simming better
and the annulet got nerfed
and arms didn't get compensation
Obviously youyr damage got nerfed
warm plinth
big
mossy chasm
Can you do alright as Prot if you're playing kinda slow? Like mid-low APM in +15's/normal raid type content. I like prot and understand it but maximizing the APM hurts my hand a lot after a while.
daring marlin
and the days ahead are challenging
round pendant
I'm not surprised damage went down. This whole conversation started because of parse numbers being lower in key parses (yes we've already established they're meaningless) because wcl doesn't separate patches for key logs
daring marlin
but I won't just hide away
lusty grotto
yogi posting 1 pull, not overall
daring marlin
I know that these hard times will fade away
lusty grotto
lmao
warm plinth
Can you do alright as Prot if you're playing kinda slow? Like mid-low APM in +15...
Define "alright"
mossy chasm
Define "alright"
completing content
mighty valley
Can you do alright as Prot if you're playing kinda slow? Like mid-low APM in +15...
yeah, you can do 15s and normal raid as a very mid player, don't worry about it
south zealot
completing content
yes you can
sick sentinel
1 pull containiung 450m dmg
warm plinth
Yes, you can complete +15s and normal with less than optimal APM
sick sentinel
okay
round pendant
Damage Done changes to overall when the dungeon is completed
the title just doesn't change
mighty valley
if it's a hand strength thing then there are other specs that will let you perform better while hurting less
mossy chasm
wrist fatigue
round pendant
fix your posture
unless you have a legit health issue then see a doctor
hey that rhymes
mossy chasm
think that's a doctor's job tbh'
of course my posture sucks I'm a run of the mill gamer
daring marlin
POSTURE CHECK
mossy chasm
also im almost 30
crude notch
what does being 30 have to do with it?
lusty grotto
Damage Done changes to overall when the dungeon is completed
YOU DONT SAY
warm plinth
I'm 34, been playing WoW for almost 17 years, type 140wpm, and have 0 wrist/hand problems.
crude notch
if your body is deteriorating that dramatically at 30, that's a you problem.
round pendant
YOU DONT SAY
?
mighty valley
my wife was suffering as an outlaw rogue with ulnar tunnel problems but she fixed it with the right exercises/bracing etc
mossy chasm
also my keyboard kinda sucks but not into buying a new one rn
sick sentinel
when i am like 87 years old my wrists will probably shatter
warm plinth
YOU DONT SAY
He was informing yogi lol...yogi thought the damage was one pull.
lusty grotto
He was informing yogi lol...yogi thought the damage was one pull.
because i told him that
south zealot
He was informing yogi lol...yogi thought the damage was one pull.
it couldve been 1 pull with spiteful chaining technically
but yeah
lusty grotto
fucking dont let me bait then
jesus fuck
or wait
it kinda worked then
was more effective than intended
warm plinth
Idk, baiting yogi is a bad idea. I never know what he's going to actually listen to of what we say and what he's going to do his own thing on
lusty grotto
ghash, no replies for months okay
sick sentinel
warm plinth
No replies for what
sick sentinel
my evoker yelling at me not to tank on the bridge
mighty valley
giving yogi advice or disinformation has roughly the same coinflip effect
warm plinth
Yes it's standard to triple that, and he's right that you don't want to pull it on to the bridge.
People have a hard enough time dodging sea spout; don't want to make it worse by confining them to a narrow space
sick sentinel
i was unsure due to it being fort
lusty grotto
No replies for what
round pendant
That bridge on freehold
sick sentinel
and i knew there was a officer in the patrol,
lusty grotto
go down the rabbit hole ghash
round pendant
That bridge, someone always dies
warm plinth
WOW YOGI YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE ME
warm plinth
I ANSWERED YOU DUDE
sick sentinel
i needed to k now for absolute certainity
lusty grotto
he had to confirm with tradechat, the standard in wow information
sick sentinel
if i fucked it up, i'd never live it down
round pendant
yogi is so risk-averse
dusky canopy
âThe standard in wow informationâ
round pendant
man never does anything unless he's 100% confident
dusky canopy
warm plinth
I'm so offended
mighty valley
i guess ghash doesn't meet the bar for "articulate information".....
sick sentinel
risk leads to chaos and ruin
dusky canopy
Honestly yeah sense was the best part
warm plinth
lusty grotto
everyone knows Trade Chat is by far the most reliable and most well-informed source of information
and ghash does not compare to it
south zealot
i love risking other peoples keys instead of my own
lusty grotto
so that confirmation is needed
dusky canopy
i love risking other peoples keys instead of my own
Always do that sketchy third pack in a pugs key
sick sentinel
ugh lol,
round pendant
if more than 1 person dies to sea spout the key deserves to brick
warm plinth
yogi you have offended me deeply and I'm not sure I will ever recover.
crude notch
ghash
100% you can add it
yogi
"I'm going to vegas boys and hoping I can add a socket to this, lol"
sick sentinel
only thing im wondering about is the bridge pull, im not sure how i'll deal with that
lusty grotto
lmaoooo
warm plinth
Well you haven't gotten any responses for months on that either
So I guess you'll never know
lusty grotto
what bridge pull
mighty valley
go ask trade chat how to handle the bridge pull
sick sentinel
freehold, before final
warm plinth
DON'T ANSWER HIM; I ALREADY DID
dusky canopy
Yogi:
âDoom would have been sick with sockets on gunsâ
lusty grotto
oh
round pendant
only thing im wondering about is the bridge pull, im not sure how i'll deal with...
nvm hehe
warm plinth
DO NOT LET HIM DO THIS
dusky canopy
âBeat that shit in 94 btwâ
crude notch
lmao
lusty grotto
well y...
sick sentinel
Yogi:
âDoom would have been sick with sockets on gunsâ
....... hold on......
warm plinth
I'm blown away right now
crude notch
we've told you numerous times how to do the damn bridge pull
sick sentinel
just you hold on you
lusty grotto
silenced by the Ghash Bureau of Investigation
crude notch
wtf is going on
dusky canopy
GBI
warm plinth
My worldview is fucking shattered is what's going on
lusty grotto
hes asking trade chat
sick sentinel
round pendant
oh my fucking god
crude notch
maybe he DID have you on block Ghash
sick sentinel
that, or there is another one, colorful doom i think it is?
dusky canopy
Fuckk jokes on us
round pendant
how old is yogi
dusky canopy
Yogis been socketing since 94
crude notch
80
round pendant
Does he have early onset dementia?
sick sentinel
Unfair plane, he kemp bush. violet stet pedder
round pendant
Feels impossible to get yogi to actually respond to you, I've noticed
dude just speaks about whatever he wants and ignores everyone else
south zealot
man i hate the last 2 packs of freehold bc noone kicks
sick sentinel
this affix is totally unfair, re-rolling
lusty grotto
see him deflect
mighty valley
dude just speaks about whatever he wants and ignores everyone else
wouldn't life be better if we could all be like that
warm plinth
Asks questions, doesn't read the answers, complains about not getting answers
mighty valley
we should all aspire to attaining the yogi mindset
warm plinth
I think yogi is the dictionary definition of main character syndrome
round pendant
Asks questions, doesn't read the answers, complains about not getting answers
I think it was Jakey who said he's not worth helping because he won't listen, right?
warm plinth
Honey badger don't care
crude notch
yogi is the squirrel from over the hedge, i've been telling ya
lusty grotto
âď¸
warm plinth
I don't know what to do with my life anymore
crude notch
get left on read by yogi, that's all you can do
mighty valley
your 40 year old son won't listen to you any more
lusty grotto
giga ghosted
lusty grotto
yea
warm plinth
your 40 year old son won't listen to you any more
They say they'll grow up and live their own life but you don't want to believe it, you know?
lusty grotto
but luckily vpn still exists
round pendant
Good, pornography is bad
warm plinth
WAit they blocked them? I thought they just made you have to like, upload your ID or some shit
dusky canopy
Speak for yourself
mighty valley
you just hope they come home once in a while to do the laundry and ask for your help with sockets
lusty grotto
the sites that arent blocked request these ridiculous identification shit like webcam pics an stuff
round pendant
WAit they blocked them? I thought they just made you have to like, upload your ...
Think it was if they didn't implement the state's system to verify identities then they get blocked in said state
crude notch
^
lusty grotto
its just porn hub thats blocked cause they didnt want to do the bullshit they asked
warm plinth
You try to teach them how to do the laundry but then they mix the whites and the colors and learn it the hard way
crude notch
Because for safety reasons they didn't want to implement it
lusty grotto
well that i know of
crude notch
ghash, mixing the whites and colors has been happening for a while.
dusky canopy
Very very weird to me that the government wants to know whoâs watching pornography
warm plinth
what a weird law
dusky canopy
I recognize itâs mostly to prevent minors from viewing
lusty grotto
ghash jesus
dusky canopy
But still
crude notch
LMAO
plush tendon
Very very weird to me that the government wants to know whoâs watching pornograp...
spoiler.... its everyone
lusty grotto
ghash segregating
dusky canopy
spoiler.... its everyone
No kidding lmao
warm plinth
ghash, mixing the whites and colors has been happening for a while.
Obvious joke aside, I actually do mix my whites and colors in the laundry
I got a life to live. I'm not spending time doing two loads of laundry when I can just do one
crude notch
Based
round pendant
Why does my armory character not update? it's still wearing s1 gear (visually)
plush tendon
this aint 60s. I believe in desegregation; white and dark clothes can be in the same wash!
crude notch
because you perma uggo
warm plinth
idk my transmog doesn't update for shit on the char screen either
round pendant
wait no it's just on wcl where it's wearing old gear, on armory it's updated
crude notch
Brew just caught on
warm plinth
When I first transmogged the bucc set from the trading post, it showed my rogue naked w/ just the belt equipped on the char screen for like a month
dusky canopy
Slow brain today
round pendant
because you perma uggo
Don't remind me
dusky canopy
I need my Augvoker buff
plush tendon
though, tbf.... probably shouldnt put your white clothes with colors cause it kind of ruins them
warm plinth
IS THAT TSWIFT
lusty grotto
augvoker dn
dusky canopy
Tsweezy
warm plinth
Jordan loves tswift
crude notch
Yeah imagine having why clothes
round pendant
I feel like white shirts are genuinely weird
warm plinth
I don't actually have white clothes tbh
crude notch
the whites, purge them
dusky canopy
Iâm trying to be the next Tsweezy song
warm plinth
My socks are black and gray
round pendant
Unless it's something you wear under something else
dusky canopy
sick sentinel
it turned all the zombies (including heavy weapons dudes) into nightmare
plush tendon
dino socks are for formal occasions
sick sentinel
so that doom run is kill
round pendant
just walking around in a plain white t-shirt is odd to me
dusky canopy
AND HES BACK
round pendant
I say "odd" very very lightly
plush tendon
Im not cool enough to wear a white t-shirt and god forbid a white wife beater
round pendant
Just get jacked and you can wear wife beaters
plush tendon
Just get jacked and you can wear wife beaters
I'm not that cool white... I'm more of that 'Howdy Neighbor! Fantastic Weather we are having!' type of white
crude notch
kekw
lusty grotto
were there twitch drops this week?
crude notch
this pretty sick
round pendant
I was becoming jacked and then I fucked my shoulder up and got depressed and stopped working out sadge
mossy chasm
Night elf getting MORE customization
crude notch
were there twitch drops this week?
ye
lusty grotto
ok time to watch naowh on mute with 480p resolutoin
warm plinth
this pretty sick
Better job than the piss poor orc set
lusty grotto
jk
dusky canopy
Actually kinda sic looking heritage
lusty grotto
the only one i do that on is towelie cause he makes me sleepy
mossy chasm
this pretty sick
grimace armor
lusty grotto
lmao zskarn nerfs
warm plinth
Honestly I hope after they get the armor sets done that they start doing heritage weapons
crude notch
sounding like we're going to the dream in 10.2
warm plinth
I'm tired of trying to find shit to match some of them
mighty valley
zskarn is becoming an honorary sepulcher boss
sick sentinel
okay, and my current priority for using aspects should be enchanted crests to upgrade my equipped 437 to 447, rather than spend a few as i get them on hero 4 > 5
lusty grotto
everyone knows what to do now right?
warm plinth
Yeah
I go back on the 7th for the right side deep clean and wisdom tooth removal, then the 14th for the other side/other tooth
crude notch
if this chat was a shield
dusky canopy
That is a MC mog?
strong forum
thats the HD version of a classic shield
chilly brook
NE and UD heritage armor
Honestly I'm more interested in the fact that it says undead customization
maybe we'll finally get upright undead
south zealot
this pretty sick
that is fucking disgusting
crude notch
gonna be color variations of it too
sick sentinel
well thats definitley not cloth armor
only complaint
looks good for melee undead and not so much for caster undead is what im saying
chilly brook
can't wait for the questline to shit on sylvanas and how terrible she was
or just not acknowledge her
sick sentinel
more nathanos simping quests
chilly brook
This questline is going to be a minefield
not sure how you're going to completely divorce the race from their leader and for some progenitor essentially and have it feel satisfying
lusty grotto
oh griff
inland garnet
Would you take a 447 Mark of Dargul over 447 Hands (424 equipped) given that you already have the Alacrious Alchemist trinkets (haste)?
lusty grotto
how come you havent given up on the story after all this time
a 447 mark is harder to get
devout oyster
Iâve been playing as a high mountain Tauren for a long time now and want a fresh change - I was thinking of female orc how does armor look on her?
strong forum
female orc has good proportions
and good animations
so armor is alot better than on tauren
inland garnet
a 447 mark is harder to get
But would you use it (2 passive trinkets...)
lusty grotto
female orc is bis
crude notch
nome thirsting for female orcs
lusty grotto
But would you use it (2 passive trinkets...)
i use a 441
crude notch
thirsty boys
lusty grotto
mark is fucking big deeps in keys
torn gulch
5-6%
lusty grotto
your alchemist trinkets arent, you can sim if you want
sick sentinel
im using mark and talisman
lusty grotto
ivan remember who youre answering
torn gulch
kekeke
lusty grotto
hes gonna have to check trade chat's opinion
crude notch
Ghash:
I'm gonna take a nap before work
Also Ghash:
torn gulch
i am aware i had this discussion with him yesterday
getting him not to craft that darkmoon trinket
lusty grotto
torn gulch
because it is garbage
lusty grotto
just casually leave the game running
chilly brook
thirsty boys
just sayin female orc is peak
torn gulch
me not that kind of orc
crude notch
my ticket to groups is punched, put me in
torn gulch
female orcs are badass
south zealot
equinox is a fucking blaster bro
sick sentinel
my ticket to groups is punched, put me in
south zealot
equinox is a fucking blaster bro
162k on wcl
uneven mason
female orcs are badass
uneven mason
They did it right this augvoker
crude notch
very likely if they nerf bear brew's damage is just enough to be like f-it we go brew
south zealot
not sure
uneven mason
Why would they ever nerf bear
south zealot
hes using two tank trinkets
south zealot
Why would they ever nerf bear
because its clearly the best tank in m+
sick sentinel
im not interestd in play druid
crude notch
this is the most unironic usage of who asked ever
south zealot
LMAO
uneven mason
because its clearly the best tank in m+
I mean, kinda owe bears that
crude notch
do they?
plush tendon
who the heck knows what Blizz is thinking in terms of balancing; but its whatever
crude notch
idk how they "owe" them
uneven mason
Yes, after the shit show s1
plush tendon
itll work itself out in a couple of weeks or something
south zealot
I mean, kinda owe bears that
thats not how that works
crude notch
shit show s1?
south zealot
Yes, after the shit show s1
they were still viable in s1
uneven mason
thats not how that works
Don't start hating on bears just cause they happy for once
crude notch
no one is hating on bears
they're hating on your mentality
that they're "owed" something
strong forum
the whole logic of "yeah they deserve it (nerf/buff) for X season" is cringe
uneven mason
they were still viable in s1
And we're still viable in S2 idk why people always like "oh shit, they doing well, let's fucking nerf em"
south zealot
And we're still viable in S2 idk why people always like "oh shit, they doing wel...
they do great damage, bring evrs buff, and are effectly a second healer in your group
they are CLEARLY the best tank not just 'viable'
plush tendon
And we're still viable in S2 idk why people always like "oh shit, they doing wel...
I think theres a difference between doing well and then being oppressive
still might be too early to tell though
its like.... Thursday
XD
south zealot
i dont even think bear is oppressive myself
south zealot
but yeah its also early bc augvoker + hpal is super dumb
strong forum
augvoker alone is disgusting in that regard
then add immortal healer, immortal tank that offheals, + broken ass mage and spriest
south zealot
mages also bring mass barrier now too which is crazy
crude notch
I think the comp of bear, hpal, aug, spriest, and fire mage has bigger outliers than bear tbf
plush tendon
literally all the classes that got big changes this patch....
sick sentinel
aug + hpal + priest is going to be disgusting
plush tendon
except shadow
chilly brook
always has been since beginning of DF
chilly brook
equinox is a fucking blaster bro
^
plush tendon
but Shadow has been like must pick since the season start; its just too good
sick sentinel
any paladin reallly, but most hpal cuz blessing of summer autumn
strong forum
massdispel is also just insane this season too
chilly brook
blessing isn't that good fam
strong forum
ontop of spriest blasting
south zealot
you basically 'have' to have a priest for uldaman and to a lesser extent underot
plush tendon
just be thankful its summer đ do weekly raid, some weekly keys, and then go outside
south zealot
with also just having some value everywhere
daring marlin
I like turtles
plush tendon
I like turtles
same
crude notch
i like lamp
plush tendon
not a big fan of lamp
crude notch
are you a big fan of fans?
plush tendon
naw, I got central air
sick sentinel
fans works just fine
torn geyser
best enchants for shield/weapon?
tropic gorge
Shadow flame
torn geyser
ok
crude notch
naw, I got central air
central air or not, fans must be running
daring marlin
crude notch
need the white noise
torn geyser
best talent build for new mega-dung?
jagged pier
the one in the pins
daring marlin
the good one
torn geyser
general m+ build?
jagged pier
well spell block is alright in there
proper roost
you can also just respec mid dungeon it's not a m+
torn geyser
wtf wont let me enchant shadowflame wreathe
proper roost
wow quazii is owning
jagged pier
wtf wont let me enchant shadowflame wreathe
u have to go to the table
daring marlin
100%
torn geyser
u have to go to the table
what table?
strong forum
the invasion event
uneven mason
still might be too early to tell though
Yeah I don't actually think anysoec is owed anything outside of say...a functional talent tree (bears are halfway there!) But seriously, you're seeing a lot of bears push because they're the ones that got the most recent rework, they've always done a lot of damage. But if Blizzard wants to drop their damage profile by 5% and increase the UF contribution by 10% that'd be ok too
south zealot
you're seeing a lot of bears push because they're the ones that got the most recent rework
this isnt true
atleast not in the way im interpreting it
also what is uf
torn geyser
can you enchant shield?
strong forum
nop
torn geyser
ah kk
crude notch
no shot you just said they're only playing bear because they got reworked and not because they're well strong.
pallid quiver
BACK IN MY DAY
torn geyser
AHAHA
uneven mason
no shot you just said they're only playing bear because they got reworked and no...
I didn't say they weren't strong don't be obtuse
crude notch
i'm a well documented bear lover even I'm not that delusional
plush tendon
Yeah I don't actually think anysoec is owed anything outside of say...a function...
Well I do think Bear is drastically overturned atm, but I suspect that over the rest of this season, tuning will chip away at bear till its more in line with the other tank specs
crude notch
drastically is a bit much
plush tendon
same goes for the recently introduced AugVoker, Mage, and etc.
crude notch
bear is adding at the very very very best +1 key.
crude notch
ye
south zealot
i mean
strong forum
shit adds so much dmg and surv to the group
plush tendon
drastically is a bit much
I gotta trust you on that; I dont play much bear
lusty grotto
eh i dont agree
south zealot
they HAVE to change augmentation evoker
otherwise raid bosses will be killed in 15 seconds
lusty grotto
what
plush tendon
but ima sit in my blood dk corner and cry a little bit
lusty grotto
mage is overtuned, yes, i dont agree with augvoker
south zealot
its ok in raid but if you stack a fuck ton of them and they all buff one guy
south zealot
arcane or dk/demo during their peak dps windows
lusty grotto
do you even know how they work
strong forum
yeah but they dont scale exponentially
its linear
so just buffing 1 cunt isnt gonna make it go do 3mil dps
lusty grotto
uninformed takes
crude notch
south zealot
i may misunderstand breath of aeons
either way i still think they are clearly proven to be op in m+
strong forum
in m+ yeah, quite insane
and since its the first support spec
they are sure to make it relevant
next raid, prolly OP tierset and some mechanics around it
south zealot
i think they want it to be good with the average gamers
which of course would make it really good with good gamers
lusty grotto
yes
craggy pilot
Augvoker currently the best support class in the game, but also currently the worst support class in the game
lusty grotto
and they are doing that, which is what they should do
strong forum
thats the reason why tanks are so easy right now
plush tendon
Augvoker currently the best support class in the game, but also currently the wo...
based
strong forum
to appeal to the average gamer
crude notch
yeah i wanna see "average" augvoker
south zealot
imagine having to think about your active mitigation
lusty grotto
the average wow player is not used to supporting
they need to make it REALLY appealing
and this is the way
strong forum
judging how good an augvoker is is super fucking hard
legit no clue
especially mid dungeon
south zealot
yeah you have to be able to figure out how good the person being buffed is, and how good the augvoker is playing by lookign through logs
craggy pilot
especially mid dungeon
would details being changed to count like logs help that tho?
i guess it would
lusty grotto
thats a details problem, blame them
craggy pilot
just turn off details when in grp with Evoker
crude notch
yea apparently it's intentional too
lusty grotto
just live log
craggy pilot
now you dont know if anyooone in the grp is good
south zealot
i heard that details is working with blzizard
blizzard
idk how true that is though
craggy pilot
inb4 Details start working off of live log, and we have to install a software that auto imports the log into the details window live đ¤Ł
sick sentinel
my ability team tracker doesnt know wtf an aug is
so it leaves all their abilities blank
strong forum
inb4 Details start working off of live log, and we have to install a software th...
that would kill your processing power
craggy pilot
that would kill your processing power
shh
lusty grotto
and also more players accepting the support role approach
people that have played ffxiv i guarantee have no problem with it
the average wow player needs a mindset change
pallid quiver
or they just continue to shout at augvokers for being trash and continue to not properly use tools
lusty grotto
and having avoker be strong right off the bat is the right approach
daring marlin
I'm logging all mt m+ runs so my simp buddy can see how he's doing
even if they're rat 16-17s
crude notch
speaking of anyone need a simp?
pallid quiver
I log all runs so I have objective proof that everyone I play with is not, in fact, doing what they say they're doing and that they're not, in fact, as good as they think they are
pallid quiver
It also helps me keep any logs of my own I want to look into
strong forum
thats the way
uneven mason
and also more players accepting the support role approach
Had our evokers fighting with eachother who was going to be the bard
craggy pilot
do Augvoker even have a complex rotation?
like isnt it piss easy to be a "decent" augvoker?
uneven mason
Not at all difficult
crude notch
yes
lusty grotto
Had our evokers fighting with eachother who was going to be the bard
fuck brd, give dance partner pls
south zealot
ive heard its super easy to be decent and relatively easy to be great
craggy pilot
from what i know of Dev Evoker, i would think Augvoker would be pretty simple đ¤Ł
crude notch
every spec in this game is easy wym
lusty grotto
as a SAM main, i live and die for my DNC
uneven mason
fuck brd, give dance partner pls
I'm EQ set, BRD, ENC, SHM, BST
daring marlin
isn't that a slight problem tho
craggy pilot
every spec in this game is easy wym
my arcane paint cheat sheet says different
daring marlin
Yeah it's easy but your performance is tied directly to how well your team plays
lusty grotto
ench is the top dawg
daring marlin
That would tilt me
craggy pilot
my arcane paint cheat sheet says different
lusty grotto
lol yea
sand crest
psh enchanters were just a speed bump to give the tank time to keep the mobs off the cleric đ
lusty grotto
cloest i can think of is "support spec mage"
uneven mason
psh enchanters were just a speed bump to give the tank time to keep the mobs off...
You knew some bad enchaters
lusty grotto
which nobody will play because cc isnt a thing in wow nowadays
sand crest
nah, I knew some good ones, just poking fun.
lusty grotto
enthrall enthrall enthrall enthrall
what was the buff
uhh....
fuck i cant remember
uneven mason
Clarity line and haste line
uneven mason
Also Rune
uneven mason
"here's this absorb that allows you to ignore tankbusters"
craggy pilot
wait how does Augvoker work if they have shit gear? do they buff less?
like are they less gear dependent?
uneven mason
wait how does Augvoker work if they have shit gear? do they buff less?
% of their stats
lusty grotto
gear dependent yea
crude notch
like are they less gear dependent?
they're quite gear dependent
crude notch
like there's a case to feed them
craggy pilot
% of their stats
ah ok, ty
just thought i would have an easy time with my alt evoker xD
craggy pilot
no but i mean if you have Dev Evoker
you can bring Dev + Aug
easily
but idk, maybe Augusto can elaborate why he thinks they lose out from Aug being a thing
lusty grotto
sure
yeah i guess idk why that would be a problem
but also dev got nerfed
so that might be it
crude notch
dev has one of the best if not THE best 2 min CD for auggie to buff
lusty grotto
its not a huge nerf, just they are more in line with other classes
now lets take a look at this
crude notch
aug sucks gg
uneven mason
Lol
lusty grotto
guess where the nerf bat will come down to
crude notch
definitely not that blue fucker
lusty grotto
absolutely not
uneven mason
Lookit that fire gap
crude notch
How's demo in keys?
lusty grotto
that one class that has its avarage be at the very top #2 range?
crude notch
Surely good with auggie
south zealot
sure fire is good but thats also a fucking atrocious way of showing that information
lusty grotto
of course
uneven mason
Yeah it is
craggy pilot
now lets take a look at this
this is showing Aug the "correct" way right?
since its log based
uneven mason
That's pulling raw, not rdps I believe
daring marlin
Fire Mage indeed busted
plush tendon
but idk, maybe Augusto can elaborate why he thinks they lose out from Aug being ...
cause now everyone who plays and likes Dev is gonna be pressured into playing Aug
crude notch
How is that any different than say an Arcane Mage right now?
plush tendon
there arent that many evoker players out there in my experience
crude notch
Or a disc priest?
south zealot
cause now everyone who plays and likes Dev is gonna be pressured into playing Au...
you can say that about any spec that has another spec in its class that is just better
plush tendon
you can say that about any spec that has another spec in its class that is just ...
tis true
south zealot
sure its different for auggy
craggy pilot
cause now everyone who plays and likes Dev is gonna be pressured into playing Au...
doubt people "pressure" people into swapping spec
daring marlin
pugs are weird bro
craggy pilot
there are degenerates who will kick people because they are Feral or Surv tho
but thats just on pugs being pugs
lusty grotto
while the fire nerfs are coming, im more worried about why the fuck WW is dead last
like holy shit blizzard help them out
dusky canopy
Anybody got the dps overall where fire mage is doing like 800k overall with the Augvoker and priest
dusky canopy
I thought I saved it to show my buddy but I did not lol
crude notch
Remember when looking at logs
Spells which accumulate damage such as Ignite, Execution sentence, etc. don't properly calculate when buffed with support spells.
Pet and Guardian hooks are not fully implemented.
Conveniently the top 3 specs in 99th percentile mythic rn fall under those caveats
tropic gorge
Perfect. Ima release a tier list video. Ignore that info and hoodwink people
Bahahahaha
craggy pilot
Tier List:
S: 
do we need more?
lusty grotto
nonono dont put us in S, just put all tanks in B
then arms/fury in S
that way we dont get as many fotm reroller idiots, and we still get accepted to keys
and dps doesnt suffer
ez
WAIT
lusty grotto
oh fuck i almost had a heart attack
yes im melting atm, thank god for hvac
well melting when i go outside đ
lusty grotto
true
i had to go out cause i forgot i grabbed the grubhub shit from prime
to get food
craggy pilot
26* at me
toxic pewter
crude notch
wait what?
urban portal
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
im 10 degrees lower than jordan yay
crude notch
texas weirdos
lusty grotto
still melting
lusty grotto
cool crisp dn
daring marlin
lmaooooo
lusty grotto
only 68 in Denmark â¤ď¸
jesus fuck thats about what my AC is at
craggy pilot
jesus fuck thats about what my AC is at
sheesh
lusty grotto
oh i forgot you EU people dont have ACs
crude notch
i'll make you cry if you don't stfu
craggy pilot
its like an AC on wheels
lusty grotto
lmao
craggy pilot
wait nvm its only 60 fahrenheit here xD (9pm tho)
lusty grotto
wtb
uneven mason
Going down to 14c here as well
lusty grotto
90 during the day 80 during the night (feels like 15 degrees higher on both)
crude notch
3 weeks ago today was the last time we got down to 60F at any point in the day
craggy pilot
lets just make a skynet that goes in front of the sun, blocking 50% of the rays or some shit
get Elon Musk on it, hes a smart guy right?
daring marlin
That would cause an unbelievable catastrophe
toxic pewter
texas people deserve to burn
thats not very nice
lusty grotto
oh shit
i had forgotten that
they put the legion/garrison hearthstones as toys
free bag space lets go
daring marlin
oh yes
torn gulch
get Elon Musk on it, hes a smart guy right?
lol
craggy pilot
they put the legion/garrison hearthstones as toys
where the hell do i put my HSs now so i have all together
guess i need a whole nother bar for them or something
torn gulch
opie
lusty grotto
opie yea
torn gulch
if you use it
lusty grotto
i have a bar though
craggy pilot
dont have opie
crude notch
then put it on a bar
torn gulch
ugh
daring marlin
:^)
crude notch
just don't pull a towelliee and hearth mid raid boss
torn gulch
i have a buffs ring, a mounts+hs ring. a proffesion ring
crude notch
this seems fine. https://imgur.com/a/2kQwW2j
lusty grotto
lol?
crude notch
they got @sick sentinel 'd
south zealot
happened ot me too
toxic pewter
looks like bears healing not good enough after all
crude notch
bear too weak
craggy pilot
normal HS is still not a toy tho is it? or i guess we can get a HS toy?
craggy pilot
people would not know it exists if it was a toy
no but i mean you can get Toys of the HS right?
that do different animations
crude notch
toxic pewter
yah true actually
i guess you can destroy the hearthstone in your bag perhaps and use a toy
toxic pewter
is that a real poll
crude notch
yes
craggy pilot
man i so want to make Groups in my Toy box
toxic pewter
smh
craggy pilot
"favorite" is not enough
proper roost
what kind of insane person is voting too slow lol
craggy pilot
i have literally 60 favorite toys :<
proper roost
i actually think they could slow down about 2 weeks and be ok
toxic pewter
what kind of insane person is voting too slow lol
me
proper roost
but selfishly saying that bcs bad guild who will barely get CE if even
toxic pewter
bored as hell over here
lusty grotto
anyone ever have a problem not being able to paste in the details import profile bullshit?
toxic pewter
finished all the content of this patch already
proper roost
𼹠try harder apb
proper roost
lusty grotto
like CTRL V doesnt work at all
toxic pewter
with rebalancing every week
there should be a balancing every week by now
like hard set- on the calendar
crude notch
It takes more than a week for your balance changes to actually show proof though
toxic pewter
na
crude notch
Like league does it every two weeks and they still have year long metas
toxic pewter
yikes
crude notch
But that's also inherent design of some champs, just like wow and inherent design of some classes.
toxic pewter
we have never seen it done in wow
i would like to see how it would go
like consistent fast updates
can scrap it if it does not go well
mighty valley
investing in regular balance cadence for a not-really-competitive game is just not a good return on investment
mighty valley
sorry but it only matters to discord whiners like us
crude notch
It actually doesn't matter to us either
toxic pewter
sorry but it only matters to discord whiners like us
yeah that is true
i cant deny that
toxic pewter
It actually doesn't matter to us either
yeah that is also true I guess
mighty valley
jordan's right, lemme rephrase - only discord whiners even think it matters in the first place
toxic pewter
I just like seeing blue text
proper roost
acherus really went to the dogs
toxic pewter
that is all i want it for
toxic pewter
i dont actually care about the changes themself
proper roost
panthea is a long time friend too he's prob just burnt
but
its kinda cringe not knowing what my best offtier slot is
mighty valley
apb being the only honest gamer
proper roost
because theyre too lazy to just keep up with what ppl were doing!
mighty valley
"i just want to feel attention"
toxic pewter
ya
crude notch
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