Actually meatriding me
#protection
waxen orbit
warm plinth
Why is utility even being mentioned as a reason to bring a tank over a prot paladin though
crude notch
isn't taken for offhealing
crude notch
And yet
waxen orbit
Why is utility even being mentioned as a reason to bring a tank over a prot pala...
No clue
crude notch
Generally yes, but it's not an argument with you, you keep saying falsehoods
waxen orbit
Okay then kid
warm plinth
You're the one that brought it up 🤔
crude notch
Saying wrong things and being called out for those wrong things, isn't arguing.
You're just wrong
waxen orbit
Ty
warm plinth
Bear's utility is better? How?
waxen orbit
Saying right now
warm plinth
The clearly broken dream of cenarius talent?
waxen orbit
The utility that was being discussed
In specific
The healing
Is tuned better and in tandem with their other shit
Puts them in a powerful place
crude notch
We've come a long way from them being OP because of their tier set bonus.
warm plinth
Heart of the Wild has never been used for offhealing as far as I'm aware.
modern gazelle
also got the gorehowl which is sick for transmog
waxen orbit
We've come a long way from them being OP because of their tier set bonus.
Yes because you are competitive lane-switching
crude notch
Heart of the Wild has never been used for offhealing as far as I'm aware.
Not by bear, it was only used for offhealing by boomkin
crude notch
Yes because you are competitive lane-switching
I'm not lane switching, you're the one lane switching.
warm plinth
And bear certainly isn't using it for offhealing right now.
crude notch
You said bear is op because of their tier set
And then trailed off
I tried to stay on track, you're the one lane switching
This quest is still bugged, end me.
daring marlin
Valhalas set is cool. Nice shade of dragon soul pally tier.
hollow yacht
Can you also do the same for me? I'll be attempting it this week. That way I can see what builds people are running compared to min3.
proper roost
literally just realized the m kazz cloak i have passed on a billion times woulda saved me a 447 craft
🤦
son of a
daring marlin
foolish fool
crude notch
Brew is doing unethical amounts of damage right now
modern gazelle
anyone here use vial of animated blood?
got it in vault and thinking of taking it cause it says it sims really well for me
dusky canopy
sick sentinel
would you guys do ring for free socket
pure goblet
Already nerf onix ring?
dusky canopy
im currently on the fence about that myself yogi
sick sentinel
im gunna need way more aspect crest
modern gazelle
also just to be sure, are the new trinkets simming properly? the mirror trinket says it sims extremely well
dusky canopy
either doing 2h weapon or ring+glove
sick sentinel
im pretty mucy narrow it down to that or brez wrist or normal wrist
modern gazelle
mirror is the only one functioning somewhat in sims
dang okay, just hold onto them till its fixed then. What about vial of animataed blood?
crude notch
what about it?
modern gazelle
that+mirror is giving me a 6.6% dps increase, but havent seen anyone mention vial ever for pwar
crude notch
Any other trinket is properly implemented
It just means you have shit trinkets mate
nothing else
crude notch
Link?
south zealot
got r1 on every boss for heroic 
sick sentinel
what are ppl currently malding about t9night in wow
modern gazelle
while dargrul is 441
crude notch
got r1 on every boss for heroic <:xeos:945501697847992341>
cheesing day 1 logs love it
sick sentinel
i guess the bear thing
crude notch
so then it's not 6.6% higher than dargrul
south zealot
i didnt run indomitable
warm plinth
vial is 444 to be fair
It's also a 1 minute sim and vial is lined up with every CD.
south zealot
so i kinda padded like a mf
modern gazelle
so then it's not 6.6% higher than dargrul
no 6.6% incrase over my current setup
modern gazelle
only 1.7% over dargrul
hollow yacht
How it's that 6% damage buffgoing for prot?
crude notch
Do that at 90s see if it's still the case
modern gazelle
k ill check
.6% at 90s
so id prob run dargrul just for not having to click vial
warm plinth
Dargrul would be more consistent as well because vial is not going to line up with your CDs every time.
It'll line up with Ravager and TR but not Avatar
crude notch
ye i'd go dargrul mirror
modern gazelle
thanks for help
crude notch
oh god
south zealot
how do u only sim 56k
i think i sim like 90k with buffa
oh 437 not 447 i misread lol
proud tide
lmfao
dusky canopy
where are they?
waxen orbit
Still psyched
Did the megadungeon first time
Got new trink
Got new shield
Got new mount and it turned into Timereaver
xd
modern gazelle
Ban this guy
proud tide
your getting no more loot for the rest of the season
daring marlin
yeah! take his lunch money too!
proud tide
all your luck ran out
waxen orbit
Nah yeah I'm fucked
All my luck already went towards the loot I got S2/S3 SL
Minus the fact that I got Aegis in the last 2 weeks of S2
This was my DF luck
proper roost
dusky canopy
ooff
waxen orbit
Explains why I had to run with Chaos Grapnel for like 3 weeks
proper roost
terrible patch launch lmao
dusky canopy
that bites
waxen orbit
Go easy on them they dropped a whole new spec, a dungeon, and like 2 new casual systems
daring marlin
make it happen kanga
waxen orbit
DPS gap
daring marlin
surely you have augvokers to carry
crude notch
I go bedge heck these bugs
tame quest
Does Deios seem overtuned for anyone? Hitting me for 600k breath with Demo roar and spell reflect, and the dot ticks for 150k after
proper roost
gn
waxen orbit
It's gonna be overtuned in M+ yeah
Whole dungeon is gonna hurt from the amount of bleeds and magic damage
Doesn't matter if it's stoppable because DPS just don't care
tame quest
Has anyone killed Deois yet? I don't understand how you're supposed to do this?
waxen orbit
Yes
modern gazelle
bro fort with the mobs before deios
tame quest
It's not a mechanics issue with my group, the breath is just insane
waxen orbit
I mean you should have SW SR every breath (mistype)
If needed take Spellblock and it's negligable
modern gazelle
Has anyone killed Deois yet? I don't understand how you're supposed to do this?
i did, i got it to 9% with low ilvl people and one shot it with a 437+ group
modern gazelle
i swapped to single target raid build with spell block
you have to REALLY time your defensives
and use heal+pots
tame quest
i did, i got it to 9% with low ilvl people and one shot it with a 437+ group
What did you do for his breaths???? Its hitting me for insane amounts. No way this is intended
oh i see
tame quest
we can??
balmy canyon
The breath wasn't the issue for me it seemed the adds casts were more dangerous
modern gazelle
i did it once on accident while i was only one alive
it didnt damage me at all
id have to test more to be sure but im like 90% sure
tame quest
The breath wasn't the issue for me it seemed the adds casts were more dangerous
The breath is hitting me for 600k damage, how is it not an issue for you??
Dot ticks for 150k
modern gazelle
basically i went like this, demo+spell reflect+heal+ignore pain, maybe a pot or cookie
shield wallnext one
last stand+spell block when 2 adds spawn to block their damage more
and spell reflect when its up during breaths
pre load ignore pain every time and always save your heal for when you need it, but i was basically casting on cd
i had x2 shield wall
i also put on my faceless ire as an oh shit button
lust phase 3
waxen orbit
I mean
Are you using SR up every time?
That's a pretty crucial question
Should only be maybe missing 1 breath in terms of SW timing
modern gazelle
oh and i was in defensive stance
waxen orbit
Either healer AFK or something is deeply wrong in your rotation
modern gazelle
Either healer AFK or something is deeply wrong in your rotation
there is no way you have shield wall up for every breath besides 1
waxen orbit
I mean I can go back and do it again and send log
modern gazelle
please do
waxen orbit
Actually nah I don't have that time
modern gazelle
shield wall lasts 8s
waxen orbit
I mean what is your ilvl?
modern gazelle
even with 2 and reductions, you are not getting it back fast enough for every breath but one
437
he casts breath every like 20s
south zealot
terrible patch launch lmao
eh its been worse
waxen orbit
Oh I mixed up spells mb
south zealot
atleast u can do the raid
waxen orbit
No you're right that's my mistake
modern gazelle
you mean spell reflect then?
if so then yeah you can have that up for most of them
modern gazelle
still chunks with spell reflect up though
having a higher ilvl healer was major diff though for sure, i had a 431 that was good, but just the hps increase of a 440 healer made a big diff
waxen orbit
That was prob diff for me
I was playing with a 441
A big part too I'd say is stack up IP for it
modern gazelle
my group had to disband, i invited all 437+ and we one shot it, it was BIG difference
waxen orbit
J b/c that's our only real mit for that other than SR and Demo
waxen orbit
I apologize I'm getting off adderall after being prescribed it for 10 months so the brain fog is fucking
modern gazelle
damn last boss on immortal run drops myth track gear
whats this?
modern gazelle
oh the achievement
waxen orbit
Does the achievement actually matter
Like does it yield any real reward
Other than brownie points
waxen orbit
I settle for my washed up has-been title
torn gulch
and a transmog set
i mean i find 441 gear, a title and a transmog a pretty decent reward
for a megadungeon
plus it will be in m+ next season so i get to see it
and it looks pretty cool from what i've seen on NA
modern gazelle
the dungeon is lit, but doing that challenge is gonna suck cause if one person messes up its gg
torn gulch
i'll never do it in a pug
it will be a guild run for sure
with geared peeps on discord
the dungeon does not look prohibitive at 440+
modern gazelle
nah if you have full 440+ its easy, i did all the bosses till moochie in 2-3 wipes max with lower ilvl people
moochie is a mechanics check mostly
and final boss is a gear check right now
for tank and heal at least
dusky canopy
are the splintered sparks not gaurenteed from a boss?
killed two now no splintered spark
warm plinth
No, they are pretty high chance to drop, but not guaranteed. And only up to the current half (the most current half can only be obtained via the Loamm weekly)
dusky canopy
i havent done that in like 6 weeks
so im def on catch up
xD
just unluck i guess
daring marlin
augvoker is fucking dumb
pastel sleet
Are mythics back on?
toxic pewter
so did warcraftlogs reset all the rankings because of augmentation i guess
daring marlin
prolly
dusky canopy
it makes sense that they would do that i think
daring marlin
I had another ret doing 30k more than me cuz he had PI+augvoker buffs the whole time
dusky canopy
lots of rebalancing
toxic pewter
immortal deios run 447 crit/haste shield
what you mean
torn gulch
you can get that
daring marlin
deios drops a crit/haste shield
toxic pewter
how
toxic pewter
dang really
torn gulch
hard mode immortal run gives you 441 gear at the last boss
torn gulch
a title and a transmog set
modern gazelle
i was on arms for trinkets but i will prob play it prot in future when i clear for shield and def trink
torn gulch
yes
daring marlin
It's giga secondary bro
modern gazelle
toxic pewter
is that confirmed
torn gulch
no but that is what i would expect
daring marlin
test it dawn
modern gazelle
is there a diff trink? i got that mirror off final boss i thought
daring marlin
LET US KNOW
toxic pewter
lmao
modern gazelle
oh i am dumb i didnt see the spell cast
toxic pewter
who has the trinket
modern gazelle
i just looked at the 3k secondary
modern gazelle
im waiting for raid to start but i can test it when i get a chance
restive crown
hard mode immortal run gives you 441 gear at the last boss
must not die the whole dungeon to get the mythic track gear?
warm plinth
My tooth hurts 😢
toxic pewter
dentist.
warm plinth
Yeah gonna make an appointment tomorrow
torn gulch
must not die the whole dungeon to get the mythic track gear?
yes
dusky canopy
100% down
toxic pewter
longer you wait worse it will be in long run
torn gulch
it is an immortal run
toxic pewter
nothing worse in life than teeth, thats my motto
warm plinth
It just randomly started hurting when I bite anything on it (rear molar) this morning. Was perfectly fine yesterday.
dusky canopy
It just randomly started hurting when I bite anything on it (rear molar) this mo...
possible chip?
toxic pewter
did you bite down on anything hard
daring marlin
It just randomly started hurting when I bite anything on it (rear molar) this mo...
inflammation prolly
warm plinth
It first started hurting when I was eating a roast beef sandwich
toxic pewter
is it a pain that comes and goes or is it static
dusky canopy
ok im ngl
toxic pewter
and does the area feel warm
warm plinth
It doesn't hurt unless I put pressure on the top of it
toxic pewter
ok
dusky canopy
i had to think twice about it when you said endoscope
because of you know
the procedure
xD
warm plinth
Yeah it's for looking in your ears but I used it to look in my mouth instead
Worked pretty well
(obviously after cleaning it lol)
toxic pewter
hmm
warm plinth
hmm actually, I was just feeling around and there's a bump under the gums on the inside that's tender too
modern gazelle
i shadow played it so i can check later, not this moment
daring marlin
hah loser
south zealot
all my rank 1s
daring marlin
delete augvoker
modern gazelle
aight well idk what its doing tbh
i used it away from anything this time and it just spawned a little time portal next to me for a second
then gave me buff
no clue what the spell its casting is
toxic pewter
guess it just doesnt do anything
modern gazelle
ill upload the shadowplay of it later you can check maybe
toxic pewter
apparently there is a known bug:
so prob best to not delete any characters for now lmao
mighty valley
Also been meaning to ask, why frostfire belt?
just math, it does good numbers
was also a way to proc the fire ring from 10.0 but that was nerfed literally today
proud tide
Is the temporal shift on the last boss normal?
or are you supposed to get rid of that some how
toxic pewter
wat u mean
dusky canopy
was also a way to proc the fire ring from 10.0 but that was nerfed literally tod...
Nome posted a little earlier said we still run ring in full ST
“It’s just that good”
mighty valley
yeah it still sims as the best of what i have right now
just haven't tried to get big stat rings yet
cinder nova
Does Rally stack?
mighty valley
no
proud tide
wat u mean
im just special
orchid mural
So, after completeing the new dungeon, i went to do the SoO skip. It was frustrating to see Thrall enlarged in that last fight (2x + bigger than a Tauren), yet the Morchie fight is some tiny ass gnome with blue hair still. Really struggled to see that blue hair!
cinder nova
Everyone bitching about bosses not being accurately sized are clowns. It's strictly a mechanic and design purpose to make awareness of the boss' positioning more readily obvious.
As well as facing, etc.
Even in Mechagon last boss is slightly taller than a dwarf.
Which is fucking enormous for a gnome.
orchid mural
yeah. i have a bit of a handicap that made that a real struggle. hopefully a weak aura comes out
cinder nova
Doubtful.
toxic pewter
one is 280 haste/500 mastery and avoidance
other is 500 haste/ 200 vers
those arent exact numbers
uneven mason
Yeah, I'd go with high haste/vers over a low haste mastery with some avoidance
Although
that breath attack in the new dungeon slaps, the 0.4% DR from avoidance might save your life
toxic pewter
lol ya
the new dungeon is no joke
oh woops.. it was speed and not avoidance..
yeah ill drop a bit of speed I guess
7% speed tho dang..
lol
uneven mason
Yeah IDK if I'd make that trade
I like to go fast
but personal preference I guess,
proper roost
i only have 560k hp now without fort
proper roost
rip
uneven mason
feel slower immediately O_O
TFW you run into a warrior without Bounding Stride and wonder how they do that.
south zealot
TFW you run into a warrior without Bounding Stride and wonder how they do that.
i dont take it in m+ as arms
uneven mason
uneven mason
I even have a grapnel and I feel like I don't have enough closers
won it over 3 ret paladins 
nocturne spindle
proper roost
for fury and arms, it's actually simming really well rn
Don't think it's as good for prot because secondaries aren't as good for tanks
shut summit
loosely updated reflect shit for new dungeon, doesn't seem to be a ton to write home about. message me if you all find some stuff i missed
toxic pewter
ty 🙏
proper roost
anvil procs off autoattacks for prot pally?? @lusty grotto
modern gazelle
bro i just failed on heroic mag
cause literallyu no dps did mechs
how do you mess up the one mechanic that boss has
warm plinth
You literally just stack the entire fight 🤔
modern gazelle
You literally just stack the entire fight 🤔
YOU WOULD THINK
on zskarn we had 3 open spaces to stand by the end, they didnt disable any mines...
and it was an aotc raid...i think they all bought their aotc
toxic pewter
Seems like they should of extended maintenance after all, lmao
proper roost
yes
midnight vault
man am i missing something, or does the deios fight just pump damage into me?
proper roost
kind of but there's almost no damage except on you
so the healer should be pumping you
midnight vault
it was way worse when the keepers spawn
proper roost
there's still no group damage, just a dispel
85%+ of the damage on that fight is just on tank only
midnight vault
yeah, aight, maybe he just wasn't keeping up. i don't know what more i could've been doing.
thanks, just wanted to make sure there wasn't a "just do this, duh" i was missing.
proper roost
i mean
tbh it doesn't really do that much damage
you could take spell block for the upfront damage
warm plinth
Maybe people are doing the nova mechanic wrong?
Only one circle is supposed to be stood in
midnight vault
maybe? we let one go immediately, held the other one up until the debuff wore off then let it hit
proper roost
yea i think that's way more likely (although my group just straight wiped whenever we fucked that one up)
warm plinth
Yeah, that's how you should do it
Just figured maybe they were fucking it up so he was having to do a lot of group healing
midnight vault
maybe healer just wasn't keeping up then
i wasn't really able to see how much damage everyone else was taking. just wanted to make sure there wasn't something obvious i was missing.
proper roost
is this tooltip not accurate to the damage?
midnight vault
i was taking 100-110k ticks
midnight vault
yeah that's also what my journal said for it
proper roost
Fuck
DBM autolog only kicks in on M+ so I didn't actually end up logging the m0
hmm
midnight vault
mm, i didn't think to log. we only spent two hours, ended up with a couple pulls on deios before someone had to bounce to go to bed
proper roost
my only sample size is that I healed a bdk through it which is literally pointless since bdks are the best tank at eating magic damage lmao
midnight vault
plan on finishing him tomorrow, which is why i wanted the sanity check
proper roost
and i barely had to heal them so that means LITERALLY nothing
midnight vault
yeah, my deathnote had them at like 97k-109k per tick
proper roost
i have details still left over of that fight though so i'm gonna look at it
midnight vault
huh, didn't seem kickable for us
proper roost
and then when the double wave spawns you want to hard focus one
midnight vault
bar was grey. and i tried to kick, didn't interrupt
ionic fern
Who's Deios?
midnight vault
last boss of megadungeon
ionic fern
Ah,okay.
midnight vault
yeah, it is - it also said they were interruptable which is why i tried, lol
maybe they're supposed to be and it's bugged
warm plinth
Are they stunnable?
midnight vault
nope, tried that too
warm plinth
Weird
proper roost
i'm not sure actually
warm plinth
Someone earlier was having trouble with the boss too and they said once they got a higher healer and better DPS they were able to kill the boss.
proper roost
what's the timer between the breaths?
midnight vault
oh maybe that's why the breaths were literally double, some might've been sooner than 10 seconds
i don't remember off the top of my head
i'm going to log tomorrow and see
proper roost
it's very difficult to extract info out of details unfortunately
solemn current
Any slick intervene shenanigans in keys this season by chance?
proper roost
for this kind of thing
ionic fern
Any slick intervene shenanigans in keys this season by chance?
FH Fixate.
UR FIxate.
Any other Fixate.
proper roost
all I can see is that the breath damage is going up significantly relative to melee damage based on fight length
ionic fern
midnight vault
yeah. i'll log tomorrow, but i really just needed a sanity check that i wasn't missing something dumb
ionic fern
Was it hard Sense?
proper roost
clutch
midnight vault
i've got a talent loadout with it. nice. okay
solemn current
FH Fixate.
UR FIxate.
Fixates make sense, but any dot intercepts or anything more useful? Gonna get back to some prot gameplay since I’ve been kind of stuck on heals and dps most of this season wasn’t sure if it was worth toying with in certain keys.
shut summit
Some of the bosses aren't legal
ionic fern
Some of the bosses aren't legal
midnight vault
haha morchie
proper roost
that's 100% getting nerfed this week I would imagine
there's no fucking way it lives an entire week that way
midnight vault
morchie and second boss were the hardest, even though we didn't get deios
shut summit
2 of the 8 bosses having blockable phys abilities, woo
midnight vault
biggest issue on deios was me living
ionic fern
Damn, now i don't wanna do it.
shut summit
Morchie 300k phys blasts to the face
ionic fern
Good thing there's almost nothing relevant droping from there.
midnight vault
so now i'll pick up spell block
proper roost
yeah but that's more of a fight length thing; the fight lengths on everything are fine now
ionic fern
proper roost
but morchie's mechanics are kind of fucky idk
midnight vault
dude, the add timing with the frontal is rough
shut summit
It's fine for m0 or w.e but it's gonna be bad next season
proper roost
saw advice to turn off nameplates on morchie which seems like a really good idea
it's fairly easy to distinguish them but you literally just need to see the head and nameplate perfectly obscures that shit
and there are several dogshit overlaps for the morchie adds + breath
midnight vault
yes, yes there are
midnight vault
i'll give spell block a shot on deios tomm
proper roost
good thing is it looks like spell block generally will cover 2 initial hits
still need to be pooling rage for massive IPs on the dot though
south zealot
we only did the first 4 bosses on ptr
the first boss was actually impossible to solo tank as prot warrior
midnight vault
yeah i was probably revenging too much on the adds too
burning rage i needed for IP
south zealot
that was a good time
proper roost
yeah i'm realizing having a bdk for my first run of it as healer
was insanely lucky
💀
didn't even know chronoshear was a healing absorb mechanic the dk was just instaclearing it
and i was like "oh this tank dispel is kinda late lol"
midnight vault
that wasn't bad to deal with either, tho. impending victory helped.
lusty grotto
anvil procs off autoattacks for prot pally?? <@131897531251556352>
it procs off crusader strikes so yes
proper roost
what's the talent that makes crusader strikes your auto
is that a class talent? or spec
(the prot pally just won mythic anvil over me and i'm kinda salty ngl)
kind urchin
I didn't have any issues with damage intake on any of the bosses. They are pretty unforgiving mechanics wise though.
lusty grotto
what's the talent that makes crusader strikes your auto
thats what i meant
crusading strikes
its spec
a spec talent
lusty grotto
im not 100% sure about auto attacks
but crusading strikes/devastator types should proc it
urban portal
technically it doesnt matter
most specs cast enough spells to fully saturate anvil procs
kind urchin
For Morchie they should do something about the visibility of which one is safe.
gloomy vortex
how is the 6% dmg incresae for us
warm plinth
I assume it's approximately 6% better than yesterday.
kind urchin
Didn't even notice it.
warm plinth
ba-dum-tiss
lusty grotto
its almost like - repeats what has been repeated 200 times already - they are buffs to compensate for the ring nerf
if only blizzard had stated that was the case, oh wait
they did
warm plinth
Well, tbf not everyone was using the ring
In which case it actually is a 6%ish damage increase for them
lusty grotto
my rolls fucking sucking as always on a god tiered dropping sark
but
my static finally killed p9s after 1.5 months on dying to stupid shit
so i guess that kind of makes up for it
warm plinth
"Very Rare" btw
lusty grotto
its so rare, my war AND paladin have it
warm plinth
Also I swear beacon drops at least once every sark kill
I don't think I've ever killed him and not seen it
lusty grotto
i have
waxen orbit
For Morchie they should do something about the visibility of which one is safe.
It’s literally the exact same mechanic as Mistcaller
Except it’s not even a puzzle
It’s just which one doesn’t have an obnoxious hat on their head
waxen orbit
Also I swear beacon drops at least once every sark kill
Never seen it in my life
I mean wait
I’ve seen it twice
But lose the roll every time
gloomy vortex
do I open vault as prot or arms? https://raider.io/characters/eu/draenor/Cypherdave
im thinking arms but wondering what people think
toxic pewter
You upgraded your forgestorm right
proper roost
99% of the time you want to open it as arms
toxic pewter
Oh you’re eu
proper roost
the only reason you wouldn't is if you already have the dps trinkets set and you want to fish for something like a 447 heart of thunder
toxic pewter
I would do arms personally since you can upgrade your forgestorm in 10.1.5
gloomy vortex
good to know
warm plinth
Can you upgrade retroactively though?
Like if it was hero path when it dropped, I don't think it's going to change to myth is it?
lusty grotto
vault items didnt have paths
so they should be able to be upgraded if their min ilvl was 441
proper roost
yup, it is retroactive
as long as it didn't have a track listed on the item
then that means it's myth track
lusty grotto
modern gazelle
@toxic pewter the mirror spawned a mini me that followed me around just now lol
lusty grotto
i got that in the vault before today so there you go Ghash
warm plinth
i got that in the vault before today so there you go Ghash
I got your mom in the vault
gottem
lusty grotto
pls show her a good time
lusty grotto
sounds good, take my dad too
proper roost
nim did you do megadungeon yet
lusty grotto
doing it tomorrow with some buds
warm plinth
Okay well if your dad is coming then I'm just gonna pay for them to go on a date
lusty grotto
Okay well if your dad is coming then I'm just gonna pay for them to go on a date
hmm ill find out and let you know
they all asleep so ill get back to you tomorrow
proper roost
plz lmk my warrior needs a run and i'm free tomorrow
toxic pewter
<@185160009074737153> the mirror spawned a mini me that followed me around just ...
Lol nice I still wonder if it actually does any abilities
proud tide
finally got through the last boss
modern gazelle
finally got through the last boss
nice grats, its rough
proud tide
i had to take a break a bit earlier but came back
got the mirrored trinket but idk how good it is
cyan escarp
Is Diurna ring still worth it or do you think crafted 447 ring should be better now ? 🙂
covert topaz
Is there anything "needed" from the new instance if your already stacked?
proper roost
cheat death trinket might have a use in the future or in high push keys
mirror andor hourglass could be good, sim self
remote dawn
hey guys i am main arms warrior, i will switch to prot is this eh mega problem when i habe low vers? my gear is all hast/crit 😬
5% vers
lusty grotto
hey guys i am main arms warrior, i will switch to prot is this eh mega problem w...
0 problems
lusty grotto
Is Diurna ring still worth it or do you think crafted 447 ring should be better ...
it keeps being good for ST, it continues being bad for AOE
cyan escarp
Thanks 🙂
remote dawn
0 problems
nice 👍🏻
vocal nimbus
is there any way to increase the talent builds cap?
6 builds between all specs seems a bit restricting
warm plinth
How you got 6 builds 👀
ionic fern
warm plinth
Even if you had like a spell block and no spell block for each, that's still only 4
vocal nimbus
between all specs
ionic fern
Don't they all have separate trees?
lusty grotto
ngl the cap is kinda bullshit, but in the end youre only changing like 1 or 2 talents anyway
ionic fern
Tree count*
lusty grotto
no mwahi
warm plinth
You have different loadouts though?
vocal nimbus
your character can only have 6 builds saved
lusty grotto
this was a thing that was complained about in DF beta too
warm plinth
What the fuck
warm plinth
That's silly though tbh. I'm sure it's an incredibly arbitrary cap too
ionic fern
That's silly though tbh. I'm sure it's an incredibly arbitrary cap too
Je, it's horribly silly.
Hilarious even.
vocal nimbus
when i go fury for fun i see that archi has 21093890213 different builds out there
ionic fern
Are you actually optimising any of those builds properly?
I just yoinked 1 build that i got from #fury
And keep playing that everywhere.
lusty grotto
because the differences i had between builds were so minimal i just learned what to swap
vocal nimbus
the "for fun" implies that i dont know what im doing
vocal nimbus
i will ty
lusty grotto
true and real
latent steppe
they actually added original gorehowl ;_;
valid hinge
Too bad. We always have to hold axes and maxes in the middle. It looks good standing, but not in combat
jagged pier
i want the old camera back
where your char was a dot in your screen
because u could be so far out
potent gulch
Diurna Signet is still bis for me after patch, hm
cunning knot
Diurna Signet is still bis for me after patch, hm
I was wondering if raidbots wasn't updated or something
potent gulch
I was wondering if raidbots wasn't updated or something
well anulet nerfed enough
but for signet
it is not on ST
hardy snow
for me diurna sims ~340 dps more than crafted 447 
ashen coral
Hello I have a question about into the fray https://www.wowdb.com/spells/202603
They say that it increases the haste by 2% per ally/ennemi around you for a maximum of +10% haste
But when I look on my haste, I am at 39% when I am alone, and 53% when there 5 people around me, is it normal ? If yes, why is it not consistent with the description ?
Ok I think I see why, it's because it's 10% of 139% and not strictly +10% right ?
cinder nova
Flat percentile bonuses to haste are multiplicative, not additive.
And it doesn't DR either.
Let's assume 100 haste is 1% (it's not, to my knowledge, but let's assume it is for round easy numbers).
- 3000 haste would equal 30% haste.
- Let's say you get a buff that gives you 500 haste rating
- Let's say you also get a buff that gives you +30% haste.
3000 + 500 = 3500 haste rating
3500/100 = 35%
1.35 * 1.3 = 75.5% haste.
warm plinth
Ok I think I see why, it's because it's 10% of 139% and not strictly +10% right ...
Your haste would be (1+haste) x (1+haste). So if you have 39% and you go from 0 to 5 ItF stacks, it would be 1.39*1.1 = 1.529
cinder nova
In other words, you get more haste the more haste you have.
You get haste with your haste.
The word 'haste' is starting to rapidly lose all meaning and sound made-up.
warm plinth
Yo dawg I heard you like haste so I got you some haste so you can have haste with your haste
ashen coral
Your haste would be (1+haste) x (1+haste). So if you have 39% and you go from 0...
That's what I thought eventually yes, people told me that 0% haste is actually 100% and 100% is 200%, so it's normal that I have 53%
Thanks for your answers
cinder nova
The cowards took away our 15% ITF.
warm plinth
cinder nova
I'd shit a brick if they put it back in.
Also, sidenote, M+ augvoker feels like roids.
Effortless 110K overalls
Kinda bonkers.
cinder nova
I really hope Details unfucks their shit so that Aug looks better on live meters.
cinder nova
Wasn't there a blue post saying they were going to?
ashen coral
Effortless 110K overalls
At what ilvl are you ? I barely achieve 60k with 436
cinder nova
ashen coral
and we gained damage
We did ?
jagged pier
yer small amount
crude notch
It works in logs just not details.
cinder nova
That's becaus WCL already has infrastructure for rDPS from their FFLog website.
This isn't new territory for them, but it is for Blizz.
I dunno why they don't call it rcDPS, though.
ashen coral
yer small amount
What was buffed exactly ? I thought they only buff defensive stance basically x)
jagged pier
we got 6% on everything to compensate the annulet nerf
but its like a very slight increase
cinder nova
But I'm pretty sure as we get more gear that 6% is gonna exaggerate a bit.
ashen coral
Ooh cool, they already gave us 8% for the fix of battering ram
crude notch
That's becaus WCL already has infrastructure for rDPS from their FFLog website.
That's not how this works.
cinder nova
Go ahead, jordie, tell us how you're an expert on everything.
crude notch
What?
crude notch
Just because you're frequently wrong doesn't mean I think I know everything.
cinder nova
I dunno, doesn't seem like they have any issues tracking Ebon Might and other support effects. If the hooks in the combat log aren't implemented and Details can't pick up the slack with a meter addon, it leads me to believe it may have - just maybe - something to do with the fact that the concept of raid-contributing DPS support class tracking isn't new territory for them.
Just a speculation.
At any rate, I'm like 85% sure they said that the backend for reflecting it in the combat log more candidly wasn't going to be ready to go with the Augvoker drop, but I'm almost certain they said they'd release it in the future.
Did they kibosh plans for that?
Looks like the only hooks they made were for logged content.
Live metering isn't implemented.
crude notch
In order for WCLs to properly display that info the hooks already need to be in, in the first place.
The hooks that are currently not fully implemented are related to pets and accumulation damage (ignite).
WCLs are great magical people but there would be no way for them to separate that info without hooks in the combat log prior.
cinder nova
I do think that a desire to "make ally bars bigger" as the excuse for not including live info kinda goof.
crude notch
No matter how much experience they have with FFlogs
Did they fix my bugged allied race quest while I was asleep? That's the real question.
cinder nova
Considering they don't exist, probably.
jagged granite
Hey boys, not sure If its been talked about and I did a quick lazy google but since the Onyx ring nerf Is it still "bis" or did they get it to the ground?
cinder nova
Well, they may have left the quests.
But they aren't necessary.
It's dead unless you have basically zero gear.
jagged granite
Alright thanks 🙂
modern gazelle
does shield block block spiteful mobs
jagged pier
if they are hitting u
crude notch
The quests are necessary.
jagged pier
which they dont do unless ppl are dead
modern gazelle
can't taunt or anything?
jagged pier
no
modern gazelle
rip we would be s tier if we coudl lol
lime urchin
jagged pier
spiteful literally dont matter
your ground show be passed them
and u just pull the next pack as they die over time
modern gazelle
so there is basically no affix this week besides fort then?
since volcanic is also trash affix
jagged pier
they are always and have always been a none affix
vast forge
we love being augmented...
ashen coral
I have seen the patchnote (and the dps buff)
Isn't there the defensive stance buff anymore ? Or was it already implemented ? (I saw that defensive stance would have a damage reduction of 20% instead of 15%)
crude notch
Nerf augvoker
hardy snow
I have seen the patchnote (and the dps buff)
Isn't there the defensive stance b...
it was changed with weekly reset on 27/28th june
crude notch
I have seen the patchnote (and the dps buff)
Isn't there the defensive stance b...
That was already implemented
ashen coral
Oh ok thank you
crude notch
Love being told that the bugs I'm experiencing aren't real by random internet weirdos
never change S
rigid badge
Do you know if the raidbots sim.is up to date with the onyx ring and seal of diurna's chosen?
In my Simulation they still sim better then my crafted rings
jagged pier
u need to use latest
warm plinth
how many sparks we have this week? Is this the 6th full one?
crude notch
Ye
warm plinth
hokay ty sweetie
rigid badge
u need to use latest
Thank you! Can u tell me where to find this option?
warm plinth
Thank you! Can u tell me where to find this option?
warm plinth
You changed it to latest right?
rigid badge
You changed it to latest right?
Yes
warm plinth
I assume you did ST sim?
steel mist
guys
is the mega dungeon down in EU, it says instance not found
its not me but others as well
remote venture
Not found how? There is an entrace
steel mist
the world servers are down
i mean when you try to enter the dungeon
its says instance is not found and gets stuck on the loading screen then it kicks you out.
timid thicket
Are mega dungeon trinket sims implemented? Got the stacking haste one and and the one from last boss
potent gulch
Nerf augvoker
i suppose even in logs it doesn't show correctly.
crude notch
Are mega dungeon trinket sims implemented? Got the stacking haste one and and th...
The "in beta" ones are the closest
crude notch
i suppose even in logs it doesn't show correctly.
?
The hooks that are currently not fully implemented are related to pets and accumulation damage (ignite).
So that screenshot is not impacted.
hollow yacht
just math, it does good numbers
So, should I craft that belt if I don't have it? Or is it not a big deal and just use the one I have?
hollow yacht
and here i am still waiting for Shaman tank
crude notch
keep waiting
daring marlin
the augvoker apocalypse is upon us
doing my key with my augvoker friend and like 50 of them signing up
lmao
I thought you could fly in old world with dragonriding
crude notch
no
daring marlin
vale escarp
I thought you could fly in old world with dragonriding
No, there just will be an "Holiday" Event where you could do Races
hollow yacht
I thought you could fly in old world with dragonriding
I think that is going to eventually happen, cause I prefer dragonriding to old ass flying
rigid badge
I assume you did ST sim?
I did both
ionic fern
I think that is going to eventually happen, cause I prefer dragonriding to old a...
Idk, Num lock + W for auto flying is pretty comfy.
cunning knot
Eranog ring stil simming highest for you lot as well?
I do have Unstable frostfire though. Not sure I will net benefit if I moved to 2x shadowpatch and a 441+ ring
jagged pier
its still better
its nothing to do with frostfire belt
its a fact it wastn nerfed enough and does something + sstill gives stats
hollow yacht
Idk, Num lock + W for auto flying is pretty comfy.
I can understand this, but I like how engaging flying is with dragonriding. Cause there are times where i am not doing anything and I will just go dragonriding and i like zone out and it's such a good feeling.
crude notch
to each their own
hollow yacht
its still better
are people runningthe old raid? it to kill eranog still?
ionic fern
Gimme an option depending on which mount i choose.
If a "regular mount" lemme fly reguarly. If a Dragonflying mount, do that.
jagged pier
are people runningthe old raid? it to kill eranog still?
no i got it
in my second vault of the expansion
crude notch
If a "regular mount" lemme fly reguarly. If a Dragonflying mount, do that.
that's already the plan
dragon mounts dragonride
non-dragon mounts don't
hollow yacht
If a "regular mount" lemme fly reguarly. If a Dragonflying mount, do that.
Yeah, that would good, let the players choose how they want to fly in old content and what not.
strong forum
datamines suggest that youll be able to choose between both
hazy bronze
I heard it's the same as the NE racial
south zealot
LMFAO
crude notch
Yeah I camped a ne in stockades I'll check again "tonight"
If there's someone that'd know definitively I'd expect the lifelong furry to know, but who knows he can be wrong every once in a while.
daring marlin
@toxic pewter THOUGHTS?
sick sentinel
this is required for my mechagnome
hazy bronze
to the point
Sorry didn't know you needed to be handheld 😦
crude notch
what?
crude notch
Sorry didn't know you needed to be handheld 😦
you basically stated that one thing that works based on day/night schedules works like another thing that's based on day/night schedules which wasn't the point of the question
hazy bronze
Except the thing that already works like that has a ruleset?
Two types of people; 1. Those that can extrapolate
uneven mason
Extrapolate dn
crude notch
Except the thing that already works like that has a ruleset?
yes we're establishing the ruleset
because there's multiple people saying different things
if we knew the freaking ruleset
we wouldn't ask
"follow the ruleset"
"what's the ruleset"
"just follow it"
hazy bronze
well whats the second type?
Wanna know a great way to keep someone in suspense? :pepega:
uneven mason
"follow the ruleset"
"what's the ruleset"
"just follow it"
Argument cannot be null
sick sentinel
toxic pewter
<@185160009074737153> THOUGHTS?
Just woke up wat up
crude notch
Just woke up wat up
Is instanced content (dungeons, raids, etc.) considered day all the time or does it follow the day/night cycle?
toxic pewter
Just cuz I am a proud Vulpera doesn’t mean I am a “furry”
crude notch
we need your fountain of knowledge
hollow yacht
IF Tauren's model was a little better and their head placement was on their chest, I would probably play them more. Until then, me that kinda orc
uneven mason
Wat
toxic pewter
I think a lot of old content that was created before that racial was implemented doesn’t follow that ruleset
So it can depend
Likely some instances don’t understand the concept of night and day
So defaults to day
crude notch
interesting interesting
toxic pewter
I actually think Vulpera have good animations and I like their racials
And I generally prefer smaller races
hollow yacht
I like how panda's hold their swords
uneven mason
I like how panda's hold their swords
Indeed
uneven mason
I can't tell you how you feel
toxic pewter
Tell him the truth
hollow yacht
yes yogi, tell me the truth..........
hollow yacht
cause that's legit me lol
uneven mason
I'd be like "it's complete garbage and I only play it because hate myself, but it's better than my usual past time of carving balsawood buttplugs
sick sentinel
me only playing prot is like, in a game like call of duty, if find some gun i like and then thats the only gun i ever use
hollow yacht
i tried to play paladin the other day.... no thank you
sick sentinel
im not really interested in new or a change, just want same old
hollow yacht
i play monk tank/dps, enh shaman, and warrior, but I haven't touched war is forever, so it's all fresh and relearning everything and so i bug a lot of people to make sure I understand what I am doing.
sick sentinel
the reasons i dont play casters typically is i run out of mana to cast spells with them on, and then because they have low armor generally speaking they die in a couple of basic melee attacks
and thats been my experience, playing dos to current rpgs
hollow yacht
I like to be up close and personal when murdering things. Or getting punched in the face while everyone else murders that thing.
hollow yacht
IF i were to play range I think it would be ele shaman cause their spells loooooook sooo good.
uneven mason
And they can use a shield
balmy canyon
Is lariat ever better than a shadow flame patch? I'm getting up there in sockets (the vault hates me) and I'm wondering if or where the breakpoint is
crude notch
when the sims tell you
uneven mason
I don't think lariat surpasses shadowflame
crude notch
but for tanks it's gonna be later than most because of how stats v. procs works
uneven mason
Is lariat ever better than a shadow flame patch? I'm getting up there in sockets...
Just start adding sockets and simming lariat vs shadowflame until you cap sockets or it wins
proper roost
gm @crude notch 👋
plush tendon
Is lariat ever better than a shadow flame patch? I'm getting up there in sockets...
this is my sim for ST: lariat vs shadowflame
