frost is the biggest?
#protection
proper roost
gm
warm plinth
I'm hoping frost ends up good; they were broken early on the PTR but they got some nerfs
ionic fern
warm plinth
So not sure where they're shaping up right now
But frost has always been my favorite
warm plinth
seed go brrrrr
crude notch
are you nervous for 10.1.7 rogue rework?
ionic fern
Affliction Lock was actually my first character to 60 on Classic.
warm plinth
Not really. Only thing that would probably make me upset that they changed it for outlaw would be like...if I had to use Keep It Rolling in keys
Because KIR is fucking lame
crude notch
same
south zealot
frost is omega simming rn
warm plinth
I would like outlaw to be more competitive though
south zealot
so they got buffed by something
south zealot
sounds about right
ionic fern
😒
south zealot
can be a lil higher but yeah
warm plinth
Did you see the change to Grand Melee @crude notch
ionic fern
I don't like fotm/megasimming/popular classes.
warm plinth
Well that's for raid, and who cares about raid tbh
jagged pier
i dont like fotm
ionic fern
Whenever i start a new game my first google is "Least popular class in X".
Not even a joke.
jagged pier
u dont need the rest mwahi
south zealot
dh and feral are omega simming too
crude notch
Did you see the change to Grand Melee <@714890000189358110>
oh i did meant to ask what's the implications of it.
warm plinth
Basically the two main things are, we can keep it now instead of it being an automatic reroll (we only kept it before if it was with Skull and Crossbones). But we avoided having to use Blade Flurry in ST so that's good lol
crude notch
I don't like fotm/megasimming/popular classes.
based take, that's why i'm not playing bear starting tomorrow.
jagged pier
ionic fern
And now i don't wanna touch it anymore.
warm plinth
I just play what's fun. If it's fotm, great. If it's not, also great. I just want to enjoy myself.
crude notch
phrasing
south zealot
i dont like bear
south zealot
does anyone on na have 22 nl
warm plinth
Nope. Just VP 😢
crude notch
wtf
south zealot
cxant sleep like this
warm plinth
oof
crude notch
cxant sleep like this
kekw
ionic fern
Hey
jagged pier
hi
warm plinth
ionic fern
south zealot
modern gazelle
lets go!
was finishing out my vault and last dungeon i needed drops me the trink
warm plinth
yuge
lime urchin
Gz! Thats a juicy one!
modern gazelle
praying for beacon in vault
devout oyster
new to prot warr - how do i play around 4pc tier set? do i use last stand on cd or?
jagged pier
yes
lime urchin
Yes and your shield slam keybind should be red glowing hot!
hardy snow
when approximately 10.1.5. changes (rings and our dmg) are going to be implemented in raidbots sims? 🤔
warm plinth
Should be implemented when the patch hits at the latest
It'll say that it's updated at the top of the site when they do it I'm sure
latent steppe
had no idea if this one still worked out
empty spindle
best dps trinket for tanks?
strong forum
Beacon/anvil
jagged pier
strong forum
Enchant is sophic/wafting/shadow wreathe
Pick whichever you like more, they all have their benefits
empty spindle
thanks bro
sick sentinel
on the key i depleted lair 16, i got eaten by the second devour
i had did the first one and then forgot until it was too late
devout oyster
do you guys keep your loot spec on prot or change it?
ionic fern
If you don't have a shield, keep it on Prot
.If you got a shield, swap it to Fury (for 1h chance still).
devout oyster
i got crafted shield
crude notch
well there ya go
sick sentinel
oh fuck me, how long downtime
warm plinth
Like 8 hours I think
sick sentinel
not you cock sucker, th3 game
warm plinth
I figured lol
sick sentinel
stupid game
warm plinth
I'm off to bed though, gn. Get ready for your 20 on Saturday yogi!
jolly crystal
cock sucker
We appreciate you NA folks beta testing everything for us here in Europe
tropic gorge
Morning guys
zenith aurora
Thinking of joining the clan, any zandalaris in here?
tropic gorge
So I finally looked at the patch notes. Everyone got a big rework and change. We have one sentence
I wonder if prot war superiority will cause drama lmao
toxic pewter
One is better than none ¯_(ツ)_/¯
tropic gorge
Oh I'm not complaining. I find it humorous
I'm personally glad we didn't get huge changes. As I think warrior is in a fairly decent spot.
Just my opinion, obv
daring marlin
warrior owns
tropic gorge
Hell yes we do
crude notch
So I finally looked at the patch notes. Everyone got a big rework and change. We...
everyone?
brew and bear are the only tanks that got touched outside of annulet compensation and brew's new talents aren't going to even be used.
proper roost
warrior owns (dps specs)
daring marlin
crude notch
at least warrior isn't rogue who got promised changes and then ope they're not here.
proper roost
what time are servers supposed to be up
proper roost
gooood i hope they dont end early
would be perf if they finished right as my work does
daring marlin
I'm gonna guess servers will be back up...4:45pm EST
proper roost
why not M+ spec
i need like 4 items from it on my shaman I think
and possibly the critbox on my warrior :/
this week is full on arms week, i think i might recraft all my shit to crit/haste this week
crude notch
not m+ spec because the bosses are the only parts of that dungeon tbh
proper roost
oh really?
they did nerf the bosses a LOT though
and idk usually in keys, having cc and cleave talents on key bosses tends to be kinda useful
idk what the mechanics of the thing is though, just seems safer to be key spec going in blind
harsh trellis
I mean it helps if you drag trash into the boss.
because its burn down the trash week and faceroll the bosses.
daring marlin
why not M+ spec
I could just swap in the dungeon but eh
proper roost
We BETTER
I need to finish them FAST on my shaman and my warrior
so I can play other shit
devout oyster
Is prot war really bottom tier atm? Every tier list I saw it’s bottom damn..
harsh trellis
Yep same with priests.. ALL F Tier... we garbage totally 🙂
proper roost
yep pretty much!
sick sentinel
jagged pier
teir lists
proper roost
yogi we're doing that 20 on saturday right
jagged pier
sick sentinel
This time for sure!
crude notch
Is prot war really bottom tier atm? Every tier list I saw it’s bottom damn..
Every tier list? You mean subcreation and murloc.io which are based on popularity and not indicative of actual performance?
harsh trellis
Servers will be up by 3pm est
sick sentinel
i totally wont slink away and log off on that day Kappa
toxic pewter
Is prot war really bottom tier atm? Every tier list I saw it’s bottom damn..
U want go
sick sentinel
free hold i have literal zero fears of
tropic gorge
Ah yes
toxic pewter
1v1 I show u who f tier
tropic gorge
Tier list talks
proper roost
yeah that's why we're blasting a 20 FH this weekend
sick sentinel
there is like, a few trash packs i dont pull that i don't know exactly what they do
proper roost
we don't even have to time it but it'll be fun (we will time it though)
tropic gorge
All tier lists are for entertainment purposes only.
Thanks for reading my blog
proper roost
it's ok most of the trash in FH does literally nothing of importance to the tank
toxic pewter
Maintenance gonna be extended most likely
tropic gorge
Fh is one of my favorite dungeons
harsh trellis
I like doing freehold with boss 1, 2, last and then 3rd and it seems to go so much faster for me.
tropic gorge
The trash packs are big and easy. The only dangerous mobs are those casters
The first triple pull in fh is a lot of fun
I've had a few pug groups implode there lmao
harsh trellis
The first triple pull in fh is a lot of fun
That one is fun and the bridge is also fun
tropic gorge
Absolutely
harsh trellis
I love my M+ group because they melt that trash
tropic gorge
I've had pugs implode post bridge with the pat
kind urchin
I need to get a push group.
toxic pewter
That wat she said
daring marlin
Maintenance gonna be extended most likely
L printing factory apb
crude notch
Tier list talks
coming from the guy that just said everyone got massive changes except warr
tropic gorge
Lol
tropic gorge
I don't read changes for classes I don't play. Everyone got huge lists. We got one awesome line lol
toxic pewter
L printing factory apb
I mean the patch may seemingly be not that big but it’s very technically intensive. Entire new spec and dungeon and dailies and stuff
tropic gorge
I am?
daring marlin
Is everyone in the room with us now?
tropic gorge
Weird cause I had to scroll forever to get past the mage part. And other classes have very long list changes
kind urchin
Prot warrior is incredibly solid. Especially if you actually use defensive stance instead of refusing to go into it.
daring marlin
I mean the patch may seemingly be not that big but it’s very technically intensi...
Whole ass raid tier patch comes up early
tropic gorge
I tend to forget I changed into d stance
crude notch
Weird cause I had to scroll forever to get past the mage part. And other classes...
brew and bear are the only tanks that got touched outside of annulet compensation and brew's new talents aren't going to even be used.
daring marlin
nah fam we extendo new spec
harsh trellis
Is everyone in the room with us now?
all except for that MotherF#@^%@# in the back who is not real
daring marlin
LMAO
harsh trellis
I need a new monitor
crude notch
stop nutting on your monitors
toxic pewter
harsh trellis
I was thinking something wide screen this time around , curved etc
tropic gorge
I have a Samsung odyssey curved
toxic pewter
I just use an iPad mini
proper roost
curved screens are a terrible gimmick
tropic gorge
It took me a few minutes to get used to it. But it's glorious
Esp if you properly set your monitor distance
harsh trellis
The Odyssey Ark 55 is nice
tropic gorge
And be sure to use display port and not hdmi
harsh trellis
And be sure to use display port and not hdmi
Heck yes
tropic gorge
If your gpu can drive it, deff consider 1440p with hdr
proper roost
i don't care about this monitor discourse so i have a more interesting separate discussion topic
how do you guys feel about unique class buffs like Battle Shout/Mark of the Wild/Chaos Brand/etc
tropic gorge
1440 is a lot easier to drive than 4k with very similar image quality
proper roost
namely lacking any on hunter, shaman, etc
crude notch
need to have that peak quality monitor for my 20 year old game
harsh trellis
need to have that peak quality monitor for my 20 year old game
and cyberpunk
tropic gorge
I'm usually the only warrior ij my raid group lol
harsh trellis
Yeah I am the only Warrior atm in my raid group also. lol if anybody is looking for a mythic raid group on stormrage lmk
proper roost
that's pretty normal, warrior is in that spot too; aberrus isn't very melee friendly so generally people slot only 1 dps warrior for most fights or none if they have a prot
there's only a few fights (granted the hardest ones) on mythic where 2 dps wars are meta
proper roost
but i'm just thinking about the recent max video about aug and cutting sham/hunter and shit
tropic gorge
I'd really like to have a windfury totem in my raid group
proper roost
i have not actually watched the video but sham discord all talking about it atm
tropic gorge
Imo, hunters could probably use a group buff. But they bring utility. Esp with turtle shell
proper roost
And like yea its kinda degen but also correct that optimizing a raid comp atm just entirely cuts hunter and shaman with almost 0 loss, or at least non enh
and i just think about every time, fact that we only have one druid and one dh, so if they're ever out it's really bad
or just even want a break or want to be rotated out for a farm boss
toxic pewter
Imo, hunters could probably use a group buff. But they bring utility. Esp with t...
Honestly better to bring two or more of other specs than a hunter for a lot situations though
proper roost
i kinda wished like
well, they used to have it so every single class brought at least one unique raid buff, right
IDK why they moved away from that and then kind of half assed the system
Sort of dumb to just entirely half ass it like it is now
sick sentinel
incoming 3 two-hand swords
daring marlin
yogi dps arc when
proper roost
good luck yogi
night scroll
I hope you loot 3 forgestorms
toxic pewter
Do you not raid yogi
harsh trellis
gross, my monk dieed to melees twice in a row
monks do this
its by design
if a monk dies on a pull. just do a shot
sick sentinel
really eh
do they like do a taunt or have some big upfront ability that generates tons of aggro sorta like a ret does
also, have to search for a game to play for 8 hours
daring marlin
proper roost
Scrappers have a fixate, yogi
crystal mauve
They also have FD
proper roost
(off gcd)
crystal mauve
If a hunter dies of melee hit they are just bad
sick sentinel
monk also had this one happen to him 393k
proper roost
shoulda healed himself he was only at 68%
night scroll
XD
crystal mauve
monk also had this one happen to him 393k
How long is this in the pull? For a monk to get aggro it’s weird, a lot of their damage comes from clones
proper roost
i mean it looks like yogi died literally right before that
the timestamp says 17m (not legible) x seconds
jagged pier
17 teen secs
crystal mauve
@proper roost - your cat pic is amazing 😻
proper roost
so it's more like "wow the squishy ass WW lived for like 10s"
harsh trellis
@sick sentinel do you ever log and upload your M+ runs?
tropic gorge
Monk tanks are weird to me. They are either gods. Or die every pull
crude notch
17 teen
tropic gorge
I haven't ran into a monk tank since sl, and that dude died every pull in a dungeon until he left
crystal mauve
That why you play arms and thank the bosses yourself when the tank dies - die by the sword OP 💪
Saved a key with this yesterday again
tropic gorge
Arms warriors having a taunt into dbts is a good thing
proper roost
well the main problem is brm in keys is basically like mini-BDK currently
you're kind of supposed to get bonked really hard and blam yourself to full hp with big expels
so timing the selfheals or purifies bad just makes you die, it's just like BDK, you ride or die
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC7mVoOvc80 Its the daily double! Two freehold logs for the price of one! https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nt91BYwjH2yzJk3c/
proper roost
except your death strike analogue has a cooldown
Dude I love yogi's sense of humor man
It's so eclectic
crude notch
well the main problem is brm in keys is basically like mini-BDK currently
yeah if it had the hp to match bdk it'd be amazing
proper roost
it's really cool to heal a good brm
because they bleed a lot less than a bdk
I feel like if I ran with one regularly I would need to track their expel cd or something though
cuz you sometimes get like "oh this guy is bleeding tf out I need to prep a massive spotheal" but its all planned and they're intentionally pooling to blast a heal
and then sometimes they are just giga dying with no cd
uneven mason
cuz you sometimes get like "oh this guy is bleeding tf out I need to prep a mass...
Yeah I've had the brm that was good enough that I could just pump lavaburst all dungeon, then one that can't celestial or purify and sits on red stagger all key and I'm drinking every pull
proper roost
ya but tbf that's true of every tank
crude notch
tell me you don't know how stagger works without telling me you don't know how stagger works
proper roost
like 70% of pwars I need to heal pretty occasionally, 20% just dont know what IP or SB is, and 10% I literally don't even really need to riptide
that 10% is like
marry me material
sick sentinel
there is a 2 logs right above you can check out if you want to see logs of how healers did with me
proper roost
tell me you don't know how stagger works without telling me you don't know how s...
stagger dn
harsh trellis
there is a 2 logs right above you can check out if you want to see logs of how h...
seaspout ... are you seeing the blue swirly on the ground?
crude notch
this means nothing
jagged pier
<:critcake:984549832511344640>
proper roost
Hey it's that guy from last week who kept saying you should use whirlwind instead of revenge
based
jagged pier
it is 360
crude notch
I'm running this build on my brew with patch
uneven mason
I mean revenge isn't 360degrees
sick sentinel
i stood in the sea spout, i do know better than that
crude notch
all the passive talents i could take i did
waxen frigate
I'm running this build on my brew with patch
harsh trellis
i stood in the sea spout, i do know better than that
Well you can certainly take it if you have a shield wall up and heroic leap or charge back down
uneven mason
Hey it's that guy from last week who kept saying you should use whirlwind instea...
The real winner is somehow not having devastator
crude notch
My RSK is gonna hit harder than giga shield slam
proper roost
i mean i just don't actually encounter tanks that bad at the key levels I normally do on my shaman
sick sentinel
its, im also fighting the giant ogre throwing rocks
proper roost
i'd understand if you see that at like 11-15 or maybe even 16-19 those are just low keys and people play funny
crude notch
he's always a good friend
proper roost
it's w/e
dusky canopy
i don't care about this monitor discourse so i have a more interesting separate ...
Give everyone a equally valued class buff like this or remove all of them no in between like we have now
harsh trellis
its, im also fighting the giant ogre throwing rocks
I never pull those guys with extra stuff
sick sentinel
but avatar
harsh trellis
I solo pull those with pugs
sick sentinel
he does hurt an awful lot
daring marlin
Give everyone a equally valued class buff like this or remove all of them no in ...
Remove 'em all imo.
crude notch
"equally valued" is the problem
harsh trellis
with my group that can handle not standing in stuff and doing dumb shit. Ill pull multiple with it.
daring marlin
Shit's garbanzo.
proper roost
i mean i kinda like class buffs idk
crude notch
Battle Shout isn't even close to Mark
waxen frigate
It’s definitely all or nothing
uneven mason
Yeah I am the only Warrior atm in my raid group also. lol if anybody is looking ...
Us?
waxen frigate
See: hunters being literally useless in raid now unless they do giga dam
sick sentinel
i've seen that dude nuke more groups than i care to remember
crude notch
They're not gonna remove them, that's well known, so it's better off adding more imo
daring marlin
There should be something akin to what XIV has like you have this role, gain x
sick sentinel
chucks a boulder at priest
daring marlin
And that's it
harsh trellis
i've seen that dude nuke more groups than i care to remember
You timed it at least, nice time also
crude notch
If I wanted everything to be like XIV i'd play XIV
sick sentinel
try to block those memories away
dusky canopy
<:critcake:984549832511344640>
This guy gets it WW 360s, Rev doesnt
daring marlin
Point being you get bonuses for having a melee, tank, ranged and healer. That's it.
Well, ranged phys and caster diff, I guess.
sick sentinel
cringe FF players
my brother who as far as i can tell is a gigachad by most measures, said to me "its not my final fantasy to play that game" when i was visiting and playing ff1 on psp
and it stuck for the most part except for crisis core
sick sentinel
i never been into ff ever again
dusky canopy
I mean maybe they need to make some classes do more physical damage to make the AP gain more valuable
sick sentinel
its funny how offhanded nothing comments like that can stick though
daring marlin
cease
dusky canopy
Like make class synergy
Or otherwise
Delete all buffs
What we have now is stupid imo
proper roost
yessss yessss discourse
modern brook
👋
dusky canopy
GM bull
modern brook
I solo pull those with pugs
you should be pulling the big boys together or wit that pack that doesnt have the sucky boys near stage right of the boss arena
doing them solo is just slowlo
sick sentinel
freehold route by yogi
crude notch
delete buffs then class stack 9 of x then watch people still complain
sick sentinel
some of those pulls are a bit generous sizing, but thats pretty much it
harsh trellis
doing them solo is just slowlo
im ok with slow with pugs
modern brook
freehold route by yogi
pull 19 is toxic
crude notch
is this yogi's +20 FH route?
sick sentinel
how is 19 toxic?
hazy bronze
Yeah grab the pat by the 2nd boss instead
hazy bronze
So Eudora can't jump there 🙂
sick sentinel
otherwise i have to do the pack over U in smugglers run
harsh trellis
otherwise i have to do the pack over U in smugglers run
You can grab that 3 pack with the 3 as well
uneven mason
Pulling the ring of booty trash is the play because your staring at rp anyway
proper roost
i think half the fun of freehold is yoloing the pulls every single time tbh
i've literally never had any tanks pull it the same way
proper roost
it's always a new and wacky different way
dusky canopy
freehold route by yogi
Skip 6 because it’s ass to dodge swirls there, do pack between 8/13 all while waiting for lust to come back for boss 2
uneven mason
rat traps (without avatar)
Bring feral
modern brook
how is 19 toxic?
FH is an aoe centric dungeon
dusky canopy
Pull the yellow mobs
modern brook
your route requires you to pull a pack after last boss
and also st something during it
dusky canopy
Then you can remove 19
modern brook
when you could instead just pull more aggressively earlier
and leverage your teams aoe
specifically in the area between bosses 2 and 3
harsh trellis
The trick during boss weeks is to keep the momentum going with the groups buffs while the trash packs are getting nuked down and try to limit inactivity.
uneven mason
i've literally never had any tanks pull it the same way
I try and stick to a rout but in pugs concepts like "spacial awareness" is foreign
harsh trellis
I try and stick to a rout but in pugs concepts like "spacial awareness" is forei...
lol true
uneven mason
So always endup with 2 Extra packs
harsh trellis
Hey Ill stand up against this wall, thanks for pullin everything behind ya
not familiar with this route
modern brook
i hate pugs as much as the next guy but at a certain point you have to believe everyone ther has the same level of investment in completeing the key and will do their job
planning around them being useless is basically just saying "i will wait till i out gear the content"
uneven mason
"I jumped off the platform to avoid the fixate, idk how we got both patrolls"
dusky canopy
Best tanks don’t pull 6
harsh trellis
The keys get better the higher you go though its true
dusky canopy
6 is ASS for melee
modern brook
i dont mind 6 tbh
dusky canopy
It’s ok if they drag it onto the rat pack so there’s more room
But otherwise it’s horrible
They always tank it on that walk way
proper roost
I really like the guy who was like "pugs fuck up and sometimes pull the ticks in the first pull of UR, so instead I always pull them"
Which is just like
Lmao what the fuck
huh
proper roost
"sometimes they fuck up so i'm gonna make sure we ALWAYS fuck up!!!"
god damn fuckin boomer takes
modern brook
Best tanks don’t pull 6
best routes probably skip it though you're right
dusky canopy
Yeah smol brain pull tick
modern brook
samething with the 1 brute guy at the start of the bridge
proper roost
oarsmen are just inefficient
dusky canopy
True
proper roost
big haytch pee pool
harsh trellis
Do you guys ever setup your routes on Keystone guru?
harsh trellis
same thing
dusky canopy
Sometimes I’ll try other tanks routes on guru
proper roost
the duelist in those packs is always a hidden killer too, i noticed that on like week 1-2 and started ccing every time it dashed
dusky canopy
Most of the time I just throw together popular pulls I like
sick sentinel
dusky canopy
Sorta like a mix and match of what I know I’m good at
sick sentinel
im doing 6 to here because of the hover over
with the blot being a safer spot for me for the seaspout
daring marlin
megadungeon hype
daring marlin
gimme new puzzlebox
dusky canopy
More mega dungeons when?
sick sentinel
i couldnt remove the tiny white dot, mean the blot connected to line
dusky canopy
Give me like 4-5 mega dungeons
daring marlin
10-man raids too
dusky canopy
Yo 5 head
daring marlin
plush tendon
will the mega dungeon count towards my vault
dusky canopy
And the other half for season 2
plush tendon
daring marlin
If only
plush tendon
really the only factor holding me back
gotta get 3 boxes at least on all the toons
for max rewards
kind of a pain
or at least until im socketed up
sick sentinel
what about, mechagnomes have been left alone too long, and they have perfected AI and are now creating super robots
robots makes a good enemy too
dusky canopy
Full BRD like mega when!?
daring marlin
yeah but for the alts fam
dusky canopy
7-8 man dungeons when?
proper roost
ok get this
daring marlin
idk find a time!
plush tendon
but I think we are going to reclear this week
proper roost
we've all been wondering about S3 M+ rotation
uneven mason
Season 4 dragonflight will be all 4 mega dungeons as keys
plush tendon
before Sark prog
proper roost
but what if S3 M+ rotation is oops, all megadungeons
daring marlin
X to doubt
proper roost
ok they would need to add 2 more i think but still
plush tendon
I think two of the dungeons will be the mega dungeon
kind urchin
I'm okay with that.
plush tendon
then two-four of the df dungeons
proper roost
dang you're prescient
plush tendon
and then two-four of something else
proper roost
it's almost like
uneven mason
- BRD
daring marlin
kanga was being facetious
proper roost
yeah they're not reusing tazavesh until next xpac
plush tendon
wait, we gonna have a season of Kara, Mechagone, Tazavesh, and whatever this is?
proper roost
DUH!!!
uneven mason
Seriously though m+ BRD when
proper roost
never.
tropic gorge
I want Scholomance and Scarlet Monestary M+
Yes please
daring marlin
Scarlet halls and monastery are what I want most
proper roost
🙂
tropic gorge
I also want og dead Mines in m+
plush tendon
dead mines M+ would be sick
tropic gorge
Og dead Mines is small with tight corridors and lots of chances for accident pulls
tropic gorge
I'm not talking the cata dm update. I mean the original dead Mines.
sick sentinel
liek how far you had to clear the key
tropic gorge
I also want storm wind stocks as m+
daring marlin
I said what I said
proper roost
some people unironically want a M+ with zero mechanics 
tropic gorge
Socks is pretty much all accident pulls lol
proper roost
target dummy boss
sick sentinel
i know, but it would be total bullshit
there would be so much malding on the forums
stresed out tanks and healers EXHAUSTED dps
dusky canopy
My suspicion is that season 3 M+ we will get 2 from mega dungeon 4-5 from legacy and potentially 1-2 new that fit the theme of season 3
I don’t think they will give us DF dungeons again in season 3 right away
dusky canopy
That goes against them saying they want seasons to be fresh
proper roost
i hope your list is right but only because it would make you happy
tropic gorge
Probably 1 or 2 df dungeons and a mix of Legion at cata for theme
sick sentinel
mythic plus temple of atal'hakkar
tropic gorge
Lol
uneven mason
Yasss
tropic gorge
Damn
uneven mason
With all 4 floors
proper roost
no matter what, s3 keys are gonna be cringe and bad because the greentext means that the only keys everyone wants to run are the megadungeon
tropic gorge
Yogi wants 2 hour runs
proper roost
sick sentinel
let people get lost in that dungeon
uneven mason
It's a circle
tropic gorge
A lot of the og dungeons would be considered mega dungeons today
uneven mason
How could you go wrong
tropic gorge
I also would like ubrs or lbrs m+
sick sentinel
the new temple isnt BAD per say but it lacks the sewer boss for one
uneven mason
It lacks a lot
tropic gorge
The updated temple is a shame imo
uneven mason
But
tropic gorge
It went from what it was to a hold w straight line
tropic linden
Hey, i've seen many routes that do this pull. There is a best way to do it? Cause I almost always aggro the patrol
sick sentinel
it is a good and functional dungeon at the end of the day new temple of atal
tropic linden
And have that add that don't move for nothing
uneven mason
You don't want a dungeon that's painful to navigate
dusky canopy
Hey, i've seen many routes that do this pull. There is a best way to do it? Caus...
Pull them onto the bridge
tropic gorge
No, overall modern design is better. Nobody will want to spend an hour plus in a dungeon
sick sentinel
new temple of hakkar is exactly like what dead simple is in doom. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU8C-Js7zdo
just a big old kill room
tropic gorge
Take that mega dungeon in sl. Before it was split most people only did it a few times then waited for it to be split
dusky canopy
Iirc Bridge creates los they will all pat to tank as long as everyones on bridge
sick sentinel
and that is NOT a bad thing
toxic cloak
At what time servers will be back?
uneven mason
new temple of hakkar is exactly like what dead simple is in doom. https://www.yo...
But that map is one of the hardest
dusky canopy
At what time servers will be back?
August I assume
uneven mason
Like you just open up into 5 Fatties blasting fireballs
toxic cloak
Alright, see you in a month
dusky canopy
At least it will feel like august
tropic gorge
At what time servers will be back?
Nobody knows. Expect at least 1 delay
sick sentinel
gotta play dead simple conservatively
hazy bronze
At what time servers will be back?
Eta 3pm pst
dusky canopy
sick sentinel
if you instantly nuke all of the mancubus, the archanos come
dusky canopy
You guys is this not the patch they are opening up cross realm trading?
That is a lot of framework to patch I imagine
tropic gorge
When blizz rolls out big changes and updates, they almost always have to extend maint
dusky canopy
Expect today’s maintenance to take a while
sick sentinel
so you leave the last one alive collect some ammo, THEN you kill the mancubis
tropic gorge
Yeah it is whirl
sick sentinel
then you can easily control the archnos outside
tropic linden
Pull them onto the bridge
The add that don't move will lose LOS?
uneven mason
gotta play dead simple conservatively
Maximum speed, hit the outer ring and take out the arachnoids before sniping the munds through the opening
dusky canopy
Also “word to the wise” I would avoid cross realm trading the first day or two expect bugs you do not want to lose items of high value
dusky canopy
I have been converted to a kanga enjoyer
Kanga cool
sick sentinel
if they box you in and you dont LOS you are GG tho
dusky canopy
sick sentinel
its a nasty trap for noobs
dusky canopy
The add that don't move will lose LOS?
If I recall correctly, when you aggro the mobs you showed in the picture, if you stand on the bridge they will path to you.
proper roost
i mean i think pulling onto the bridge is just asking for a wipe
it's nearly impossible to avoid sea spout on the bridge
uneven mason
i mean i think pulling onto the bridge is just asking for a wipe
☝️
dusky canopy
Yeah it is
proper roost
just plan to pull the patrol, it's not a big deal
dusky canopy
My same opinion about yogis pull 6 applies to that bridge pull
proper roost
the patrol pull is literally FULLY on the tank to just play correctly
sick sentinel
thats precisely why i died to the seaspout
proper roost
thats literally all u need to do and the patrol is irrelevant
fearing the patrol pull is only valid if you're playing like brm, otherwise it's dumb to not want to pull it
eternal tinsel
guys this was probably asked already 100x times, maybe should be pinned, but with the nerf to Onyx Annulet, do we stop using it in raid as a prot warr both in ST and in AoE?
eternal tinsel
ty ❤️
dusky canopy
Also
proper roost
I don't really understand what you mean by "I wouldn't even bother"
harsh trellis
guys this was probably asked already 100x times, maybe should be pinned, but wit...
Yep, grab any ring crit+haste or whatever you want for stats and bump it up to 447
dusky canopy
We were compensated with buffs*
proper roost
Like, don't pull the patrol? because u cant skip it without a warlock
or a shroud
which is silly, the officer is better efficiency than the optional pack with the oarsman
dusky canopy
Like, don't pull the patrol? because u cant skip it without a warlock
Are you talking about that guys pull before the bridge after first boss?
sick sentinel
proper roost
harlan area
sick sentinel
one of my many seapout deaths
dusky canopy
Oh we’re mixed up sir
proper roost
WTF HOLY is that pull
I just realized what theyre linking
That's a fucking psychotic route
glass iron
Can someone help me what rings to equip for M+ (20+-22+ range) if I link my SimC if that's ok? (I have a lot and I'm stuck
harsh trellis
So for that pull. Ill pull the 2 on the bridge out and kill them, then pull the patrol and all that shit on the right after the bridge
dusky canopy
Yes kanga LOL
I mean just don’t kill anything except the big guy on the bridge after boss 1
Better % later in the dungeon
uneven mason
Can someone help me what rings to equip for M+ (20+-22+ range) if I link my SimC...
Haste crit
uneven mason
Honestly I’d go full mastery Vers
dusky canopy
JK do not do that
sick sentinel
i did die to that on the bridge im pretty sure , and thats what im trying to find
jovial steeple
No need to stack mastery for 20-22 in my book
eternal tinsel
For raid purposes, since I have already +30% unbuffed haste, im considering sloting in a crit + vers crafted ring in place of the Onnyx. Thoughts? Progging on Zskarn atm and here are my stats.
uneven mason
You all are great
When bears get ww
hardy snow
glass iron
Can someone help me what rings to equip for M+ (20+-22+ range) if I link my SimC...
This is my simc if anyone can help select some rings I'm just a prot off spec https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2Y3A6LXJijxjgWGWQm5BxW, cheers
jagged gust
21% crit O.o
sick sentinel
i thought i died to a sea spout on the bridge with the giant
i cant seem to locate it
eternal tinsel
u stop going haste at 7100 rating
even with all the diminishing return?
uneven mason
For raid purposes, since I have already +30% unbuffed haste, im considering slot...
Only 30%?
daring marlin
10% dr is very minimal
uneven mason
You haste until GCD caps
jagged pier
even with all the diminishing return?
ooo u loose 1 haste out of every 10 you gain so u get 9 haste instead of 10 really doesnt mean anything
sick sentinel
im titling this one "don't fight on the bridge in FH"
im not quite exactly sure there, some big melees went through, 47k was one
plush tendon
thats a terrible spot to tank it
just pull the pack on the left after you die first
so you can use the boss area as space
eternal tinsel
ooo u loose 1 haste out of every 10 you gain so u get 9 haste instead of 10 real...
ok, thats for the info. i usually prio versa instead of crit cause i seem to have a bit of a thought time with DoT's. Should I consider getting more crit instead?
eternal tinsel
21% crit O.o
.
plush tendon
vers wont save you
in the VDH disc, theres a quick TLDR on vers and its limitations
its just too long for me to snippet
hardy snow
vers is good if you can have 150% of it 
tropic gorge
Has the guidance changed much? Don't worry about vers unless you're doing over like 20-21 keys
jagged pier
u dont worry about it even then
hazy bronze
I heard 24s is when it may matter to clothies f.ex.
strong forum
Has the guidance changed much? Don't worry about vers unless you're doing over l...
current #2 ranked pwar in the world has 6% vers
ah sorry 8
stats dont matter
hardy snow
rank 1 have 20% vers, coincidence? 😛
strong forum
yes
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iI8Bw_RNjdM noob vs AH
dusky canopy
rank 1 have 20% vers, coincidence? 😛
Just don’t mention rank #1 plays weird talents too
dusky canopy
When bears get ww
Not soon enough! 
I tried that whole working thing but meh
Discord addict
hardy snow
Just don’t mention rank #1 plays weird talents too
oh right, i've forgot about that 
proper roost
is it ethical to ghost that M+ community if there's literally zero effort by the organizers to actually organize any schedules @crude notch
i don't really want to put in the effort to coordinate 5 peoples' schedules (one of which is mia and 2 have wildly restrictive schedules)
and the organizers are extremely insistent on all runs should be only comprised of people from that disc and 0 outsiders
sick sentinel
what in the fuck
some dude got caught cheating at a warhammer 40k event using loaded dice
and when he was exposed, his reaction was to run to the bathroom and flush the dice in the toilet at said event.
jagged pier
yep
jagged pier
and they were leaded so they didnt flush
proper roost
LOL
eternal tinsel
Has the guidance changed much? Don't worry about vers unless you're doing over l...
I worry only about raid, and im a bit afraid of the last couple bosses but I'll take the advice and going brainless for haste/crit :b
don't care a tiny bit in optimizing for M+, i do only for vault
hazy bronze
and they were leaded so they didnt flush
"I just take weird shits I swear"
chilly brook
is it ethical to ghost that M+ community if there's literally zero effort by the...
Based on the information you posted I’d just dip or say something along the lines of this just isn’t for me and dip lol
crude notch
is it ethical to ghost that M+ community if there's literally zero effort by the...
Yeah that's a bailout situation imo. Like how are the "organizers" gonna not actually organize the shit.
chilly brook
^^
proper roost
i feel like i should say something but i don't want to argue with them
sick sentinel
"supervisors"
chilly brook
Just say this ain’t it and dip lol
proper roost
or have some weird bargaining going on like "oh we'll organize it suddenly now that you complained"
sick sentinel
we are here to supervise you, that is what our job is and why we are in control of you
proper roost
like they clearly care and its only their first event but its so ba dlol
crude notch
I'm trying to think of a non-cuntish way to say "You guys should've coordinated schedules beforehand" but my sugarcoat is only so strong
proper roost
yeh i mean i want to be like
"hey i'm going to withdraw from this event because i don't really want to organize the schedules for everyone, i was under the impression you guys were going to do that"
but i don't want them to argue
with me
crude notch
Yeah 100% i get what you're saying
proper roost
i've done small events (of other things) before and sometimes it can get kinda snipey
chilly brook
Maintenance already happen yet?
proper roost
i sent a short couple paragraphs explaining to the main org
fingers crossed they take it ok (or don't respond that's probably ideal)
jolly crystal
some dude got caught cheating at a warhammer 40k event using loaded dice
Oh...he wasn't even cheating using a "weaker" army, he's using an army that's currently quite obviously overpowered and has a number of mechanics that means they don't need to roll dice.
And he still couldn't win all his game
modern brook
and when he was exposed, his reaction was to run to the bathroom and flush the d...
hes an eldar player
nothing new
proper roost
out of curiosity is it considered kosher to like
3d print your own minis and bring them
jolly crystal
jolly crystal
Depends on the event, but most are pretty cool wioth it as long as they're recognisable as what they're meant to be
proper roost
like, bootleg magic cards are a thing in tourneys right? idk if that's allowed in official mtg tourneys though ig
it just seems kind of, idk
weird that there's this big financial hurdle to even get into the game lol
jolly crystal
like, bootleg magic cards are a thing in tourneys right? idk if that's allowed i...
Having a few proxies in your deck for a friday night magic or something is fine
Anything official, absolutely not
sick sentinel
kicked out immeaditely on the spot
sick sentinel
cant be bent or damaged cant be this that and the other
chilly brook
It’s certainly not cheap to get into
proper roost
like being financially gated to play a "good" comp or deck or whatever
is so weird
is kinda p2w
chilly brook
One of the reasons why I didn’t get into it is for that reason
proper roost
or even, pay to compete, is really weird
chilly brook
is kinda p2w
Although in tabeltop it’s also kinda not necessarily that
Since they have army counts
jolly crystal
This is why I stick to playing casual EDH. Also means I don't need to worry about set rotation or anyhting
proper roost
yaya it's more paying your way into the competition which is uh
Way more weirdge
for an ostensibly competitive event
chilly brook
Well I just mean that more of the “op” stuff usually costs a lot more than just fielding a bunch of decent stuff
proper roost
i mean, i get why, obviously tournaments and stuff are part of marketing for those games
but yknow
sick sentinel
the problem why all of these prorgams suck so hard, including and most importantly hearthstone, is that they limit the playing field
how many monsters and spells can be laid down
chilly brook
TLDR for example one unit could cost like 1/10th of your total army allowance as opposed to like 1/100th
sick sentinel
and how many players
proper roost
it would be equally weird if like, top arena tourneys or TGP or whatever required you to pay in 1k to even get into the groups stage, you know what i mean
(i'm aware that some real sports are def like this)
chilly brook
Yeah I do
sick sentinel
i don't except to see 8 player commander on magic arena, but i think it could work with 4 players quite easily
chilly brook
But in fairness, WoW also costs a box cost and then either a lot of time investment or $15 a month
So you’re kinda paying into it
Just a lot more palatable
As opposed to like $300 just for a starting army
jolly crystal
Time/Energy/Money
You're always gonna pay at least 2
chilly brook
proper roost
ya but i'm not talking about getting into a hobby
getting into a hobby, it's reasonable to pay in some money; videogames are like BY FAR the cheapest money:time hobby in that sense
sick sentinel
Time/Energy/Money
You're always gonna pay at least 2
what if i told you, all 3 are the same thing
proper roost
i'm talking about competing in a high end bracket in that hobby
like I said I know there are plenty of irl competitions that you do actually have to pay in to get into the competition but those are like hoity toity rich people shit
its sorta weirdge to pay, like, games workshop to engage in their own marketing lol
ah well doesn't affect me just was curious. Kinda sucks if you're a good player but no monies ig
chilly brook
I mean yeah
I think the average is like $650 (spent on armies)
Which is kinda nuts
proper roost
like i imagine there's high level competitors who have dropped out of playing competitively just because like
some meta shift or new releases or w/e invalidated their army and they couldn't keep up financially
chilly brook
I know that’s a big thing that happened in magic not too long ago
A lot of people just got tired of the constant financial chase
proper roost
like I said I know there are plenty of irl competitions that you do actually hav...
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lusty grotto
morning cuties
south patrol
Finally got a mark of Dargul! Only took me 45 runs
chilly brook
Finally got a mark of Dargul! Only took me 45 runs
I take it servers are still up and not taken down then?
proper roost
americans remember that anywhere outside of america exists challenge (impossible)
chilly brook
Perhaps
proper roost
(this is a yoke)
crude notch
like my life
proper roost
ok i resigned from the event and they were very nice and polite about it
chilly brook
Yokes on you I’m Canadian
proper roost
no idea if they actually read my complaint! but that's ok too
crude notch
which means you're still american
proper roost
canadians try to remember that ind-
nevermind
(this is saved in my backlog of "how to piss off canadians" folder)
chilly brook
which means you're still american
Yokes on you I’m actually American and not Canadian
Actually bigger yokes on you I’m not American I’m a Texan
chilly brook
chilly brook
That’s because you’re wild
crude notch
i feel like i can suddenly type 200 wpm
chilly brook
Jordan vs Linus typing competition when
dusky canopy
Better get my property in Texas now before they pull a we’re our own country now
chilly brook
Warrior grill event in Texas when?
chilly brook
I could make a joke
uneven mason
Better get my property in Texas now before they pull a we’re our own country now
That'll be great, we can treat Texas like every other 3rd world country and send all our garbage
plush tendon
thats the one thing I miss about Texas.... the meat
harsh trellis
Im smokin some Baby Backs right now
jagged gust
holy fuck thats making me hungry
crude notch
Warrior grill event in Texas when?
nice meat
proper roost
great caramelization
dusky canopy
https://tenor.com/view/old-man-how-many-times-do-we-have-to-teach-you-lesson-spo...
No lesson learnt here,
:wesmart:
harsh trellis
keep it under 300 and you dont burn anythin
plush tendon
That'll be great, we can treat Texas like every other 3rd world country and send...
thats called New Jersey
chilly brook
I thought that was just everything around and including NYC
crude notch
imagine learning lessons
when you can just continuously make the same mistakes and blame someone else
sick sentinel
texas becomes its own country im moving in by force
plush tendon
I thought that was just everything around and including NYC
ngl, the last time I was in NYC, there was a terrible stench as soon as I got off at 125th
at least Boston is nice and clean
dusky canopy
Yeah imagine not wanting to live where you have actual freedom
Weird
Also quality food
One thing the EU gangs got going on I will say is there food man
We got some real garbage on our shelves
chilly brook
I would like to visit Italy again at some point
Went when I was pretty young as a kid, probably hits a lot different as an adult
plush tendon
One thing the EU gangs got going on I will say is there food man
had America been colonized by the Italians, we may have had good food
but it just had to be the British
uneven mason
had America been colonized by the Italians, we may have had good food
This is why Chicago is the greatest of US cities
dusky canopy
Oh no doubt in my mind I have not personal been to EU but every single person I have ever talked to about it is floored by the food quality
I look forward to trying it for myself someday
proper roost
the food quality in the US is largely due to food deserts and major farms mass producing produce for the entire nation
chilly brook
had America been colonized by the Italians, we may have had good food
But then you have people like me where your great grandparents came from Italy
dusky canopy
Food isn’t produced here for quality it’s produced here for profit
proper roost
if you get produce from locals farmers market stuff (very bougie in the context of america tbf) it changes quality a LOT
dusky canopy
That is the entire problem
uneven mason
the food quality in the US is largely due to food deserts and major farms mass p...
American food is Mostly additives
Also too much dairy and corn
harsh trellis
Wayyy too much corn
chilly brook
That is the entire problem
Ehhhh I’d say the problem more comes down to people just not knowing what to buy or simply not caring about quality ingredients
glass iron
Is that 6% aura buff in the notes live on EU or tomorrow ?
proper roost
on patch day
chilly brook
Like there’s a lot of quality stuff out there on shelves
dusky canopy
I’m fortunate enough to live half in the sticks so we stock our own naturally fed/grown meats and veggies
chilly brook
At least at H‑E‑B
dusky canopy
I cant even begin to imagine how a person must feel when they live off of city shelves foods
It’s gotta feel like shit they’re just used to it
uneven mason
Subsidised corn crops back when they sold everyone on using it as fuel, turns out that without subsidies it's 3x more expensive than oil and produces just as much pollution
plush tendon
if you want good eating in America, you live in a small town
dusky canopy
Like there’s a lot of quality stuff out there on shelves
Tbf yes this is true
We as Americans do lack diet education
We just buy what “looks cool on the box”
And it tastes good
uneven mason
When I moved to Canada I stopped having migraines and gastro problems because they actually regulate their shit more or less, just gotta keep my eye out for the American brands sneaking in under a different name
chilly brook
Most people just don’t care to learn how to cook
hazy bronze
We just buy what “looks cool on the box”
You're forgetting lobbying efforts 🙂
chilly brook
I just recently got into it because the fam likes to get together on Sundays and have a meal so I cooked once to make life a little easier and went on a whole rabbit hole
dusky canopy
I really need to get more into cooking
I’m basically cave man diet
Lmao
I have a meat everyday with a vegetable
chilly brook
Really great channels on yt for it
dusky canopy
Very limited carbs
uneven mason
Cave man diet is healthy
dusky canopy
Yep guil that’s what I do
Working out with no carb just gasses you instantly
It’s beans
daring marlin
I'm only around 250/300g carbs a day atm
daring marlin
I think not enough people focus on cico
truth
proper roost
just eat tasty stuff in moderation
dusky canopy
I try to stick to 200 or less if I can
proper roost
dusky canopy
Sometimes it’s hard to avoid them
chilly brook
And too much focus on “oh I’m not eating enough protein”
dusky canopy
They are in everything
chilly brook
Like sure that’s helpful
But it doesn’t mean anything if you’re in a 500 calorie surplus a day
daring marlin
Protein is pretty easy to get in unless you hate chicken breast, lean beef, tuna or egg whites.
proper roost
eat more lentils
proper roost
lentils and legumes are a hack
that overcooked chicken breast lovers want to forget
daring marlin
that's the benefit of making all your own food--errrthing tastes gr8.
proper roost
daring marlin
idk fam my chicken breast always comes out nice and juicy
air fryer is a game changer
chilly brook
Or just like
Pull your chicken breast off at 155
Physics is cool
It hits 165 anyways at that temp due to carryover cooking
Not to mention you can just cook at a lower temp for a longer time, the only reason 165 is recommended is because it does the 99.999999% killing of pathogens instantaneously. You get the same reduction of pathogens at 150 if it stays that temperature for 3 minutes.
astral crystal
does prot warr take the new trinks?
crude notch
no one does currently
because it hasn't been properly implemented in simc because they weren't available for testing
waxen frigate
I only eat my chicken medium rare
crude notch
I only eat my chicken alive
chilly brook
does prot warr take the new trinks?
Only ones that we have any idea of is the stuff from the dungeon which I think one of two of the trinkets have potential but they’re not BiS at least at this point in time
crude notch
one day my answers will be good enough
chilly brook
one day my answers will be good enough
To make it up for you I’ll come be a simp in one of your keys
dusky canopy
I only eat my chicken alive
Lmao
You see the clip of the guy marinating his feathered bird in Buffalo sauce
BEFORE
Plucking it