tomorrow
#protection
errant oriole
toxic pewter
cuz bear op
uneven mason
It's been here the whole time
warm plinth
Yeah you just didn't take it because you went to the right side
Yeah I got some buttons ready for them
toxic pewter
oops mt lmao
uneven mason
No no, that would make too much sense, and not force bears to path through 7 points of absolutely zero return
toxic pewter
that was rolling need on stuff then rolling the items off to guildies
warm plinth
gross
warm plinth
I assume this is in like a guild hosted pug?
warm plinth
oh
warm plinth
That's so dumb
uneven mason
I mean
toxic pewter
they rolled need on pieces that someone clearly didnt need, then re-rolled 100 in front of us for the item that they won
toxic pewter
Yeah just found it in bad taste
daring marlin
apb did you turn that whole raid around?
toxic pewter
i finished cuz i didnt want to get kicked because lockout was active at that point
warm plinth
Did you ever hear about the australian guild that was doing raid sales during Ny'alotha and if like a slapper dropped they would just not loot and have it sent to their mailbox
daring marlin
wag your finger in their faces?
toxic pewter
Did you ever hear about the australian guild that was doing raid sales during Ny...
yeah dang that is shady
daring marlin
Did you ever hear about the australian guild that was doing raid sales during Ny...
yes
warm plinth
That shit was big drama in the boosting community haha
toxic pewter
actually vaguely recall it also now that I think of it
warm plinth
Good shit
warm plinth
I bought a mythic ra-den kill and managed to pull that and a vita
daring marlin
muh full vers stack+slappers
warm plinth
on my havoc (though vita was basically just for JY memes)
errant oriole
hate to say it ive come to find bear kinda boring lol
toxic pewter
which sl covenenat has the coolest transmogs you guys think? gotta be venthyr right
warm plinth
idk I wasn't particularly impressed with any covenant mogs
toxic pewter
yeah I just got a weapon token
warm plinth
I will say kyrian is the worst though
toxic pewter
from mythic nathria
warm plinth
weird ass julius caesar looking shit
toxic pewter
trying to determine which weapon to get i guess
warm plinth
oh tbh I don't remember the weapon mogs
toxic pewter
yah I agree venthyr best imo
uneven mason
Murderbur
Give us a 4 way choice node in place of hotw
Pick the covenant ability, bring back ravenous frenzy
toxic pewter
should bring back condemn/ let us execute 80% and above
warm plinth
I don't ever take hotw. I cba
We already got the best part of condemn though
The animation 
toxic pewter
ya lol
true
apparently ret paladins have a similar animation now?
doesnt look the same red color though
lusty grotto
alright i gotta get food
lusty grotto
hoping i can push this 23 vp with my friend in a bit
proper roost
gl
oh yeah
weren't you trying that earlier this week
and it died like somewhere random
lusty grotto
proper roost
some trash or something
warm plinth
I have a 22 VP. Not sure if I wanna run it or not
lusty grotto
NL we def wiped
proper roost
hmm feel like i remember someone talking about a highish vp they were tryna push and it bricked
lusty grotto
and still timed
proper roost
the NL timer feels freer on tyr than fort somehow, after the worm boss nerf
proper roost
maybe it was last week
proper roost
but yea like fort pelters super spooky, on tyr its like, the only thing you can really wipe to now is dargrul maybe
dargrul ramps his damage kinda surprisingly high
daring marlin
I have a 22 VP. Not sure if I wanna run it or not
It's not that bad
lusty grotto
we wiped cause the SP died to trash, and was getting rezzed and spammed the button so he released and i thought the rez had landed
warm plinth
It's not but putting together a pug for it at 3am when I'm off work is the issue
proper roost
rip
warm plinth
Yeah, missing a DPS on add is untenable at that level
lusty grotto
nah NL
daring marlin
nvm
proper roost
oh NL
lusty grotto
but it applies to vp for sure
proper roost
right
lusty grotto
still timed that NL easily
proper roost
oh god i had a 21 earlier where the feral druid absolutely refused to swap
warm plinth
oh I thought you were talking about VP as well lol
lusty grotto
i think we had 2x ret and 1 sp lmao
proper roost
and i was doing higher damage on the fucking add than he did
warm plinth
yikes
lusty grotto
oof
proper roost
and we bricked the key despite getting to dargrul with 8 minutes left
"primal wrath hits the add though"
warm plinth
Yeah weirdly enough it hits the fuckin boss too
warm plinth
So maybe put the rest of your damage into the add 🙃
lusty grotto
tales from the pugging life
warm plinth
I actually love that fight as outlaw or spriest though
Get giga dam on both add and boss
proper roost
the funny thing about the add cleave is uh
chain lightning gets the full add damage cleave onto the boss
lusty grotto
wtf
proper roost
yeah it's really funny to see 300k CLs on that fight
lusty grotto
does it apply to sweeping?
proper roost
as resto
lusty grotto
interesting
warm plinth
Idk. The thing with BF and link is that their cleave is based on the damage you're dealing to that target
proper roost
i'm not sure it does because sweeping fires off a separate cast at the other target
warm plinth
yeah
lusty grotto
ohhh
warm plinth
That would be the kicker
lusty grotto
its been a while since ive played my rogue
warm plinth
so link and BF do 50% of the damage of your prio target to other targets
proper roost
i only did 20s on my warrior and stopped doing keys entirely tho so idk 
someday i should try arms on NL, it's the perfect key for it
NL and BH
warm plinth
(or well, spriest kinda works both ways I guess)
But on boss you'd only have dots
lol they removed the VP mana buff 
CHAINS NERF IS COMING FOLKS
dusky canopy
Yeah that’s why you use brain and stand on a side of them that makes them leap towards group members then tank rotates breaker and you’re back to cleaving
HUGE 🧠
Hey?
proper roost
Oh shit thats huge lol
proper roost
kinda good tho, was really cringe to throw 15k at a key to free time it
warm plinth
WOW
dusky canopy
warm plinth
BAITED
warm plinth
Don't worry, there will be a vod
dusky canopy
Yesss
dusky canopy
Perfect!
daring marlin
simps
toxic pewter
im gonna add targus
dusky canopy
south zealot
Hit ‘em with the “You’re”
LMAO that would be funny as fuck
lusty grotto
gzgz
sick sentinel
vault filled
sick sentinel
in b4 3 2 handed weapons
lusty grotto
sir
now i have to knock on wood 3 times
dont jinx me, my heart cant take it anymore
south zealot
imagine needing a ring
lusty grotto
nice nice
south zealot
i just use my arms gear
i dont switch anything for prot besides 1 trinket and weapon/shield ofc
sick sentinel
shield i literal crafted like hours ago
i'm trying to debate between use aspects on hero to 441 or save them for crafted
modern gazelle
im trying to determine if im ready for highe keys so im doing +16 farms right now, but its hard to tell cause some feel easy as 11's and others i got people dying every 2s
just did a FH, i didnt die at all but had a hunter die 14 times, never sure if some of those deaths are my fault for tanking poorly or what
proper roost
other people dying has nothing to do with whether u can tank a higher key or not
modern gazelle
well at the end he did say he was raid spec, but dude died on like every boss and to random mechs lol
modern gazelle
other people dying has nothing to do with whether u can tank a higher key or not
if im tanking in bad spots or something it does a little but i dont think i am usually
just follow normal paths
warm plinth
It might have something to do with the pulls you're doing but yeah it shouldn't make a difference on whether you can do higher keys. If you can live through the pull, then you can do the pull. At that point you're just gauging if it's too dangerous for the rest of the group.
And if you're feeling comfortable in 16s then it's time to move up
sick sentinel
100% chance myh item
warm plinth
Though keep in mind fort is gonna be a different beast
modern gazelle
i was able to live through every pull i did, healer died like once i think on first boss but otherwise he lived with me
yeah fort weeks are rough
toxic pewter
you think heroic sark cloak will be work using after upgrading it higher ilvl tomorrow
daring marlin
not for tank
toxic pewter
yeah wish they buffed it
toxic pewter
yah
warm plinth
Yeah putting stam on it would at least make it a free damage type thing
velvet moss
Hey guys! Just joined I have a question. Why take Brutal Vitality instead of Fueled by Violence
limpid pawn
what is the currently best accepted way to power level someone
warm plinth
Because it's better
toxic pewter
what is the currently best accepted way to power level someone
afaik many go to nokkudon hold and kill many mobs
warm plinth
I believe it's still the Brackenhide/Nokhud mob spam
Cobalt PL is dead as far as I know
proper roost
didnt sense or someone test bv vs fbv and they both just performed really similarly
limpid pawn
in the dungeon? or outside
warm plinth
Outside
cinder nova
Anyone know if we're aiming at any of the trinkets in Timeways beyond cheat death?
warm plinth
In the gnoll areas in azure span
limpid pawn
what class is optimal for doing this?
daring marlin
Anyone know if we're aiming at any of the trinkets in Timeways beyond cheat deat...
New puzzlebox looks good
haste one maybe
cinder nova
Because it's better
Pretty sure we're using FbV over BrV now since the old set bonuses basically smoothed over IP cap bugs with BrV, as well as just generating its own IP to more or less give pretty ubiquitous coverage.
warm plinth
idk Nome said we use BrV still
In the end it's not a big enough difference to really matter
cinder nova
Really? I'd like to know why, I've swapped to FbV and it's helped self-healing when I step away from packs to dodge or just move.
I mean, I think the BrV + 2/4p was pretty huge.
I could feel the difference in survival with it compared to the same bonuses and FbV
daring marlin
warm plinth
Yeah but that's because it synergized and made the 4pc stronger
cinder nova
This will be the juice
Do we have any idea how powerful it is?
daring marlin
3080 of your highest secondary for 20s on a 3min cd
proper roost
i mean the trinket effect is written right there
cinder nova
I'm more interested in the spells.
daring marlin
I'd assume it'll be big stonks
cinder nova
Plus it's a 3m, so it's basically pad material if it doesn't beat out other top trinkets.
warm plinth
proper roost
the main effect is good on its own is the point
cinder nova
Good is relative.
proper roost
however the secondary effect works is just gravy and if its just flavor then whatever
🙄
cinder nova
3m for a bunch of haste is good, but is it going to be better than stuff like anvil, beacon, etc.
cinder nova
3 minute CD screams parse cheese, tbh. Even on long fights you're getting tops 2 uses if you blow it on CD. I dunno, I liked the Vers trinket from SL because it was just an enormous glut of stats for a short-lived fight in a lust open
But that's pretty much all I ever used it for.
Prog was a different story
daring marlin
Idk about 3k haste
I'd intentionally have crit over haste with that trinket for sure
cinder nova
I'm hoping what the copy does is important.
What % does Crit start to DR
Or, rather, rating.
lusty grotto
5400 is the first pass
cinder nova
🤔 ...wonder if Corrupting Rage could get sidelined for it
warm plinth
Every stat DRs at 30% from rating. Mastery is mastery points though so the % on the sheet will be different (it DRs at the same ratings as crit)
cinder nova
I feel like a R3 of Rage + this might kinda get goofy.
I wonder if you could use it to cheese parry big pulls in M+
warm plinth
So 5400 for crit/mast, 5100 for haste, 6150 for vers (damage)
warm plinth
Yeah generally you don't really care about the 30% DR anyway
cinder nova
How aggressive is the DR past 54
warm plinth
10%
warm plinth
So takes 198 rating per % instead of 180
It DRs at 30, 39, 49, and 59 I think
%-wise
Oh I'm a little off. Here's the list
cinder nova
You could probably try and test it at 441 w/Corrupting Rage
daring marlin
I need to get that already
cinder nova
See how much you lose.
daring marlin
Yogi been posting it a lot
warm plinth
If yogi uses it, it's good
daring marlin
He's the goat
lusty grotto
i use it
warm plinth
Does he? I haven't seen him click in his videos
lusty grotto
cause apparently it installed itself with naowh's
cinder nova
He had a Brackenhide where he clicked his Challenge
sick sentinel
99% of clicks is giga taunt and 1% is str potions
lusty grotto
str potions?
cinder nova
Not even about that.
lusty grotto
cinder nova
It's an extra taunt, plus if your DPS are too gung-ho you can slap it
Or even use it to break stealth
warm plinth
I know what it does; I just haven't seen a need for it yet.
sick sentinel
giga taunt i try to save for large pulls that i know can be problematic on pu ll
cinder nova
idk I have everything that isn't objectively useless (e.g. Slam/WW) on my bars.
warm plinth
I have it bound personally. Just saying I don't fault him for not having it bound.
sick sentinel
lots of extra adds, or i just cant risk them not being on me
cinder nova
Even in PVP I have taunt and throw bound to keep people in combat at rnage
It's gotten me so many clutch kills on rogues that couldn't restealth
sick sentinel
is bound, its just bound to something i never ever press
cinder nova
I'm sure my bounds would make me look like a psychopath
sick sentinel
you are a much braver man than i am
south zealot
just havin fun
toxic pewter
Hope we get a gnoll raid in 10.2
sick sentinel
I'M NOT A HERO, IM NOT A SAVIOUR, FORGET WHAT YOU KNOW, I'M JUST A MAN WHO'S CIRCUMSTANCES, WENT BEYOND HIS CONTROL.
rotund garnet
hey brand new to prot warrior. i was doing some log reviews of prot warriors on heroic kazz and i took a look at the buffs and saw this field
can someone help me understand the shield block uptime
does that mean its up 99% of the fight?
south zealot
yes
you always want it up, even when youre not tanking, because it increases the damage of your shield slam
sick sentinel
its alot easier than it seems to have a very high SB up time
rotund garnet
how in the world do i get a near 100% SB uptime? the recharge is longer than the duration?
south zealot
bolster and shield charge
torn gulch
talents allow you to get 100% uptime
sick sentinel
im not trying to pick on you, but do you have a weak aura to show already present classes in groups your applying to?
south zealot
sick sentinel
for choco
south zealot
im not trying to pick on you, but do you have a weak aura to show already presen...
no
rotund garnet
okay so youre using last stand and sheild charge to fill in downtimes on recharges basically
south zealot
okay so youre using last stand and sheild charge to fill in downtimes on recharg...
yeah just use them on cooldown and youll have infinite uptime
sick sentinel
there are a few weak auras that show players score and group comp as your browsing, that really helps narrow things down so you can see what your joining into
or a slice of it a tleast
rotund garnet
okay huge game changer for rotation, i was using shield charge as a rage filler to keep ignore pain up
sick sentinel
so you can see the group has a paladin and a hunter, so you have 1 brez and a l ust
sick sentinel
https://wago.io/6-GG3RMcC @south zealot
use something like this, doesn't have to be this one
because, we dont have lust or brez, so its a bit natural for groups to decline warriors some times
south zealot
too much work
jolly fable
guys
sick sentinel
22's well, im not in 22 23 keys, thats a different ball game
sick sentinel
south zealot
this was a 22 underrot
south zealot
in a 14 VP
all of the whirlwind damage and more should be revenge
warm plinth
These are quality breakdowns idk what you mean
jolly fable
i was dps for this one and tanked about half of it
south zealot
mine is very quality 
sick sentinel
i legit dont see the issue with second picture
jolly fable
after 2nd boss healer asked him about revenge
sick sentinel
has bacon
jolly fable
doesn't use it
sick sentinel
has ss top, rend is really high
south zealot
i could use revenge more myself and anvil dropped twice
daring marlin
snap
toxic pewter
this was a 22 underrot
Dang anvil does good damage and has strength on it… really need one
warm plinth
Don't worry you'll get more in the 20 next week
south token
hey guys can i drop enduring defenses ?
2 more seconds to shield block seems useless
toxic pewter
sick sentinel
its not
south token
i wanna drop something
toxic pewter
Why you looking to take spell block or what
south token
i want tough as nails
toxic pewter
sick sentinel
and by the way, you dont want to do that
south token
=/
toxic pewter
Yah do your thing but pins has recommended builds even with information on talents you may choose to drop for other talents
toxic pewter
Enduring defenses is one of my favorite talents considering for years shield block was 6 seconds
And now we can extend it by 33%
That’s pretty huge
south token
i logged my last run and shield block was up 93% of the time
so i tought it wouldnt matter to drop enduring
toxic pewter
Ya drop it and see how it is
Can’t hurt trying things out
Oh is that 93% with or without enduring defenses
sick sentinel
block uptime isn't as important as blockable hits blocked to not
and making sure you have 100% block on things that are critical to block
south token
Oh is that 93% with or without enduring defenses
with
toxic pewter
Yep
sick sentinel
its okay if you mis a couple of melees on a non elite, or even elite trash but the closer you can get hits blocked to 100%, the better for everyone
south token
with shield block up i have 135%
sick sentinel
yup, that doesnt matter the over 100% number, only 100% chance to block matters
35.74% is just for critical block rolls, which are still RNG
chilly brook
35.74% is just for critical block rolls, which are still RNG
No
That’s not how that works
rotund garnet
hey thanks for the tip on sheild block uptime, i got the rotation down and it was obviously an increase to damage but survivability went way up, i was able to almost double my stacks on the tank dummy
sick sentinel
so then, anything above 100% is pointless
south zealot
nice job buddy
sick sentinel
i guess there is like, raid boss, so +how much ever that is
those are +3 level of you
chilly brook
Critical block chance is a separate chance based on mastery
Your passive block chance is meaningless
Shield block bumps you to 100%+whatever your passive chance is
The reason why block rating is important is because it affects your block mitigation
south token
i look cool tho
chilly brook
Ironically it could be reliable
Just like mastery stacking was a thing at different times for paladin (yes I know that also double dips a bit on just flat dr)
But the thing is why would we? We have high uptime on guaranteed mitigation
But this was a thing we did in the past too as warriors
sick sentinel
shields in video games are weird
toxic pewter
Would be cool if critical blocks had a visual effect
south zealot
ngl i missed a free revenge cast earlier today
sick sentinel
thunder clap requires no target
south zealot
toxic pewter
I meant just merely for looks lol. Like critical block has a lightning bolt slam your shield or something lmao. Could even change the effect with glyphs or something
sick sentinel
thats in part why i don't always send SS
chilly brook
thats in part why i don't always send SS
Well you should change that
daring marlin
22 NL bricked on last boss cuz healer goofed
sick sentinel
i was gunna say lair ez but then i remembered i depelted that
south zealot
the hardest part about vp is seeing one
ive seen 1 in queue without tank all day lol
sick sentinel
only need 70 more points
lusty grotto
the hardest part about vp is seeing one
you mean this?
sick sentinel
don't even have a nelt fort
south zealot
you mean this?
sick sentinel
so thats a free points
south zealot
warm plinth
Weird
toxic pewter
Interesting
sick sentinel
twitch sucks these days cant lie
lusty grotto
they want TL/Freedom
toxic pewter
Ah
sick sentinel
theres a few small streamers i watch these days but rest of them just suck, 2nd monitor background noise at bestr
toxic pewter
Tigers lust is pretty cool ability
south zealot
oh ig disease makes sense for that boss
sick sentinel
the under rot i linked the other day
i do that thing that freaked out the mage and druid because, far as i've read, he does a frontal in front of him, that puts the magic debuff on players which stacks
lusty grotto
its a baited cone
so everyone is supposed to stack to bait
and it should be aimed at either wall, or where the whole vomit is
sick sentinel
its to get people stand behind him and not take extra magic stacks, incase healer doesn't dispell them
lusty grotto
nope
you need to bait it
everyone needs to be in front
then move out on the telegraph
sick sentinel
i'd rather use the gold ring more to clear out puddles
lusty grotto
thats the only thing that clears out puddles
not sure what else you mean
because there's nothing else
sick sentinel
some players only put the gold ring on other players to dispel
lusty grotto
the idea is to manage area and not have grey vomit all over the place
no
the boss does that to a random player
sick sentinel
yeah, and if the group stacks up in a location near goop, you can do both jobs
you can bait it where you need the ring to be
lusty grotto
correct
but sometimes the overlaps are weird
and the circled player needs to move, and the group with him, to avoid the cone
hazy bronze
Everyone should be stacked for that boss as much as possible
sick sentinel
im trying to take him around in a clockwise or counter clockwise circle though
so he doesn't fill up the center
lusty grotto
most people do counter
i do counter
start, bait at wall, move, position boss so people can stack safely, rinse and repeat
lusty grotto
puddles wont kill you if you as a tank are positioning correctly
in fact if people are dying to puddles, the boss isnt being positioned correctly
people die to overlaps of 3x stacks which DO happen, thats why groups take SPs to mass dispel the overlap
sick sentinel
im not terribly fussy with group comp besides basic meta shit
lusty grotto
it doesnt matter
sick sentinel
1 brez and 1 lust is EXPECTED but not nessecary
hazy bronze
Then that would include an spriest 
lusty grotto
its doable without an SP, just exceedingly needed in higher levels
the healer must be good though
sick sentinel
keystone with no lust no brez is you are setting your time on fire
lusty grotto
and pop a cd if theres 3x stack overlaps
sick sentinel
As of tomorrow what is our ring combo? and are we still using the belt
lusty grotto
yes
lusty grotto
the ring combo is anything high haste for both slots
and there's no reason to stop using UFFB
its free damage and some mastery which helps in pure physical keys
south zealot
and there's no reason to stop using UFFB
what is uffb
south zealot
oh i have two patches
lusty grotto
thats more than fine
south zealot
should i eventually switch to frostfite belt with more sparks
lusty grotto
not really
a lot of us had the belt in s1, so its the option we went with
but if people dont have it they can go either, the difference between them is minimal
either way i have a suspicion the guy was asking about belt because of diurna
hardy snow
thats over course of two freeholds
lusty grotto
in which case, that's entirely for ST
hardy snow
frostspark is getting better in raid as its stronger for ST
lusty grotto
frostpark can also not decide to proc
its based on your fire procs
and we're removing diurna
hardy snow
its opposite
lusty grotto
so its at the mercy of shadowflame
hardy snow
eranog ring is based on fire dmg
lusty grotto
oh right
yeah youre right
im too tired i guess
either way it can decide to not proc 🙂
lusty grotto
right, theres no reason to swap one for the other or vice versa
daring marlin
be so cool if we had the 80-100 component of condemn baked into massacre
lusty grotto
for ST it would slap
toxic pewter
I was a condemn fan even in shadowlands and people bullied me about it
I didn’t use it though
But still was cool
lusty grotto
i liked the concept
dusky canopy
The more I can execute for good damage the better
urban portal
too restricting
dusky canopy
Execute for piss damage is a waste
dusky canopy
Right right
toxic pewter
I am a condemn man through and through
dusky canopy
dusky canopy
🧠
lusty grotto
what the fuck just happened?
dusky canopy
23 Neltharus
You got it bro chains free
timber terrace
Check him pc
lusty grotto
3 mins in?
lusty grotto
i guess thats what would make sense
dusky canopy
Wild
south zealot
i dont know
timber terrace
the hardest I got trolled is by some talents addon which automatically swapped me to a no kick build in underrot, went out to respec and it specced me into a raiding build when I chose the m+ loadout
dusky canopy
timber terrace
Said fuck it and ran the dungeon with the build and un-installed the scuffed addon after
dusky canopy
Now that is a unit
lusty grotto
tell him that nimchip doesnt know what the fuck happened lol
daring marlin
There were other low IO people going "veng and bear are meta rn"
daring marlin
aight big boy come tank my 23 Neltharus then
lusty grotto
nelt too long 😢
daring marlin
the hell it is
south zealot
what the fuck just happened?
i dislike ur weaura being tclap ss revenge when ur keybinds are revenge ss tclap
lusty grotto
you mean @strong forum 's weakaura?
lusty grotto
because that's his weakaura
south zealot
the order of the icons doesnt align with ur keybidns
i wouldve changed the order of icons
lusty grotto
oh it doesnt matter, i know what to hit
daring marlin
triggering my tism
lusty grotto
either way i bottom bars should be hidden in combat
but i fucked it up on a naowh import or some bullshit
south zealot
fair enough
lusty grotto
never bothered to fix it
south zealot
i actually switched my prot pally keybinds to align with atrocity ui weakaura
instead of switching icons
lusty grotto
yeah i just have muscle memory for where everything is, so it doesnt bother me
i think nimchipadin uses luxthos and they dont align
south zealot
im just kinda braindamaged so it had to lign up
otherwise ill see far left icon on weakaura available and will hit 1
dusky canopy
I’m the same way I use Naowh import but I rearrange them so they match my 1-6
It fucks with my mental big time if they are not the same order
south zealot
prot makes me have the craziest 1-6 ever
1 revenge 2 ss 3 tc 4 shockwave 5 ravager 6 spellblock lol
south zealot
im a big ass mf
daring marlin
first, don't have baby hands
limpid pawn
what class is optimal for the nokhud level boosting?
warm plinth
what class is optimal for the nokhud level boosting?
idk but I thought you were supposed to be the key god
dusky canopy
1 SS - 2 TC - 3 Rev - 4 SB - 5 IP - 6 DS
I imagine watching how my left hand hits all my keybinds is rather interesting lol
warm plinth
1 - SC
2 - SS
3 - Revenge
4 - SB
5 - TC
6 - Heroic Throw
limpid pawn
@warm plinth I used to be, i've been living in a cave essentially because of my irl job now
warm plinth
sadge
limpid pawn
yeah, so im just trying to learn about how people are doing leveling
warm plinth
I hadn't seen your posts in a while
Though I suppose now you'd have to post in the service channel anyway
daring marlin
we pray for anvil in the vault
limpid pawn
anvil? why
i have one i upgraded, but doesn't seem like most prot warriors are using it?
toxic pewter
Anvil the one item I’m still trying to get
round pendant
Anvil seems meh for me so far
toxic pewter
No beacon yet dang
round pendant
Anvil is strength so I guess 5% damage from the effect is pretty good
so maybe it's not as meh as I thought
lusty grotto
im just cursed man
round pendant
god I wanna quit tanking just so I can brain off dps as arms
arms owns
oh cool I just tested myself on dummies (5 targets) and got 200k dps and simmed myself and simmed 201k
I still remember how to play arms, that's nice
south token
arms too hard
toxic pewter
8 hour downtime tomorrow full day
uneven mason
Patches is the only time I get work done
toxic pewter
Yah I’m gonna go do errands
toxic pewter
and im gonna drop battering ram for tough as nails
fair enough you do you but battering ram is one of our best talents
pastel sleet
i know this isnt optimal and im just being stupid... BUT hear me out... does the battle-scared veteran healing boost activate before sporecloak, when you hit 30%? cause it seems like itd be nuts
warm plinth
and im gonna drop battering ram for tough as nails
lol what
round pendant
and im gonna drop battering ram for tough as nails
please god no
south token
warm plinth
Why are you so hard up about tough as nails? It doesn't make sense.
south token
because it makes so much sense
shield block up 95% of the time
so ill get extra damage all the time
toxic pewter
it has a 1 second internal cooldown
warm plinth
Okay but why would you give up a bigger damage increase for a smaller one
toxic pewter
only ends up equating to like 2-3% of your overall
south token
oh if it has a 1sec cooldown then its kinda shit
toxic pewter
battering ram helps rage regeneration too by increasing your attack speed, so it also has some defensive value
warm plinth
It's not shit; you're just trying to invent the wheel when it has already been invented
We used TAN when we could afford to take it. Now it's not worth giving up a point for that node unless you need Spell Block
south token
toxic pewter
i know this isnt optimal and im just being stupid... BUT hear me out... does the...
BSV is weird, I have seen it proc when I am in the 40s to 50s% range.. its been acting weird since beta. If you search discord you will see its generally been disliked for a long time now. Add on top of that the sporecloak is also generally not recommended for prot warr
south token
yea its not doing much
lusty grotto
🤷
warm plinth
At this point you kinda have to think BSV is working as intended. The problem is that it procs off of pre-mitigation damage. Which means it can proc when you're in no danger at all and your health barely moves. It'll basically end up proccing on CD whether you need it or not.
lusty grotto
ill keep Battering ty very much
toxic pewter
At this point you kinda have to think BSV is working as intended. The problem i...
Can you explain what you mean by pre-mitigation damage like can you give an example
not even trying to be weird I really don't understand it
warm plinth
Like let's say you take a 100k hit, but you block half and take 50k
toxic pewter
ok
warm plinth
The 100k is what counts toward whether BSV procs or not
warm plinth
Which would actually be higher than 100k because it would be pre-armor as well
south token
these trinkets and forgestorm are doing some good damage
round pendant
bsv doesn't own
toxic pewter
is there any situation where it is better for BSV to work that way?
round pendant
no
toxic pewter
like I guess if its a mega hit?
round pendant
Makes literally no sense for it to work off of pre-mitigated numbers
it's just prejacing
warm plinth
No because it's not actually a cheat death. You'd have to take a huge hit but one that didn't kill you and one that put you in imminent danger of dying. That really doesn't exist.
toxic pewter
yes
toxic pewter
do you think with new cheat death trinket it could work hand in hand with bsv
warm plinth
Like if I fuck up and don't use a CD for molten crash I'm just gonna die XD
round pendant
or have it give you a small damage buff or something when it procs
toxic pewter
yeah my line of thought didnt account for me dying to the mega hit lmao
lusty grotto
we just giga nuked the 24 vp
warm plinth
It needs two changes to be useful. One, it needs to proc like it should proc. And two, it needs to work like DK's Will of the Necropolis and be dynamic.
warm plinth
1st boss lightning bolt actually fucks
toxic pewter
It needs two changes to be useful. One, it needs to proc like it should proc. ...
wat u mean by dynamic
round pendant
I did a +11 vp to test arms (and get some red crests) and I charged the first boss and almost instantly fucking died
why did it put me inside the dot
warm plinth
The way WotN works is that if you take 100k and you hit the threshold after 50k damage, the remaining 50k gets reduced
So whatever damage is past the threshold for it triggering gets the reduction
lusty grotto
dunno ive never had that issue yam
toxic pewter
RIGHT yes that is sort of what I was thinking when I asked earlier question
yeah damn we need it to be dynamic big time
round pendant
dunno ive never had that issue yam
tbh I might have been fat fingering W cause I was reading chat
warm plinth
But yeah, those two changes would make it an actual viable option for new prot wars (or I guess maybe people doing cutting edge keys)
round pendant
idk how they could intend for it to work the way it does now
unless it's intended for people who refuse to use mitigation in like.. +10 and lower keys
warm plinth
Yeah who knows. But if it hasn't been fixed at this point, I wouldn't hold my breath at it being fixed any time soon
toxic pewter
I like our tier
south token
yea but its just pressing last stand on cd
i wish it added something cool and unique
the guardian tier looks much better imo
also paladin's
toxic pewter
we get cool shockwaves
lusty grotto
24 > 23 > 23 > 22 nuked
not a good time
we're calling it for tonight lmao
at least next week is push week
as well
and i think next tyr will also be pushable
tyr storming raging seems pushable
oh well
toxic pewter
Has anyone ran the ravager talents (even just for fun)?
round pendant
so sadge that you lose belt socket when you recraft to a higher ilvl
proper roost
24 > 23 > 23 > 22 nuked
south zealot
oh well <:bedge:882323848844963860>
no bedge its still pushweek
shut summit
oh well <:bedge:882323848844963860>
latent steppe
avatar+thunderous roar is a must?
proper roost
they're pretty good buttons, what else do you want instead
cinder nova
I still don't get why BSV is pre-mit.
south zealot
what would you even drop for it
proper roost
battering ram 
latent steppe
let me ask it this way
sometimes they do not sync
is it wise to use TR without avatar
warm plinth
@shut summit 
proper roost
they will rarely sync
you just send it, with demo shout ideally since demo shout cd will sync
south zealot
u can sim the damage component of it
the rage it gives you is also effective mitigation
latent steppe
i also dropped the ram for bloodsurge
south zealot
so cant sim the defensiveness of it
round pendant
wowhead says that battering ram is bad so
Where does it say that
round pendant
shit take
south token
south zealot
if i had to guess those werent updated in a long time
round pendant
Prob not
I think BR was actually mid early in s1?
I vaguely remember it becoming good at some point
south zealot
it also shows HR as the node instead of itf
warm plinth
Pretty sure Llarold's guide hasn't been really updated since the start of the season.
Despite what the date says (probably just added tier bonuses)
round pendant
The trees have been updated I think but the Key Talents section hasn't
warm plinth
yeah that's what it looks like
latent steppe
any wep with Str bonus is better than Forgestorm for defensive wise right?
considering same ilvls
ionic fern
Tbh, keeping up and trying to remember on which pages you had mentions of which things can be pretty bad.,
I've missed multiple times some mentions..modified on one page, forgot the other page.
But luckily the good people of Discord point em out.
You can always poke Llorld and ask him as well, or point stuff out.
proper roost
bobbeh
modern gazelle
thats literally what we said when he joined
south zealot
just 1 more left for the week
proud tide
what are you guys siming for at 442 ish ilvl on patchwerk 1 boss 5min
south zealot
idk
proud tide
feel like im low
south zealot
i think i was like mid 80s at 447
proud tide
what trinkets do you run?
damn
i havent got a single one of those to drop above champion
none of my vaults have had them
south zealot
also have these (mark is 447)
proud tide
do i need to spec into dps like fury for them to drop?
south zealot
i think mark and anvil need dps spec
warm plinth
You can look in the dungeon journal and filter by spec to see what drops for what specs
south zealot
guessing is more fun
tame jasper
do i need to spec into dps like fury for them to drop?
Pnly activate dps loot. You dont have to run the dungeon in thst specc
proud tide
Pnly activate dps loot. You dont have to run the dungeon in thst specc
yeah thats what i meant
ty all ❤️
latent steppe
OCE + Mark
modern gazelle
Just timed Ulda +18 while dcing 2 times cause of wow servers lol
lime urchin
Still better than getting chomped
ionic fern
south zealot
depleted my first key today
latent steppe
depleted +22 vortex cause feral druid was running away from me
i couldnt spell reflect
- he did not go bear form as defensive
died to every single one
feral druid, bm hunter, me as prot warr and holy pal
all we needed a ww monk
and he invited an evoker
cringe
latent steppe
have you ever wasted back to back 3 crs on the same person at vortex tyrannical +22 last boss?
south zealot
hes not just gonna die to the chain lightning only
latent steppe
literally none of those were why the key was depleted
inviting a WW monk to that physical setup would be a great ++
He only died to chain lightnings
lime urchin
Yes group comp isn’t bricking that key
south zealot
inviting a WW monk to that physical setup would be a great ++
again, not the reason you depleted that key
south zealot
He only died to chain lightnings
there is no way he got 100-0d by chain lightning everytime
healer should learn hes dumb and hprio healk him
south zealot
show me death log then
latent steppe
lime urchin
🍿
south zealot
or dont
latent steppe
no worries i am making it all up to create some chaos here. it is not actually what happened. since you know everything better at this point.
latent steppe
imagine expressing what you actually experienced and then ppl tells you otherwise and asks for proof. 😄
south zealot
ppl live those natty on 26 tyrans
latent steppe
a feral druid, that get hit by the chain lightning died to hit. everytime he had it. like twice
south zealot
was there also an add out
latent steppe
nope
south zealot
you are lying
latent steppe
😄
lime urchin
The deathlog would be educational I guess, so the right person gets blamed
Poor druid
crude notch
That's not 100-0
latent steppe
have i said 100-0
actually not going into bear form and using mitigation over there. and we discuss what actually killed him lmao
warm plinth
Yeah it's really important to keep people topped on that boss so idk. I'm not saying it's exclusively the healer's fault though; if he didn't use any defensives (or bear form) then it's also his fault.
crude notch
have i said 100-0
Well when Choco said he didn't get 100-0'd you said he was wrong.
warm plinth
That mechanic is harsh on tyrannical, moreso during adds but regardless
crude notch
Watch out for any objects on the ground with that backpedal
warm plinth
Give him a break; he admitted he was wrong
latent steppe
this conversation insults my intelligence. what i am trying to say is from beginning to the end its on druid at some point cause he did not go into bear form + mitigated.
druid DIED to chain lightning
i didnt mention one shot
crude notch
You ever snort crack off a hooker's ass?
south zealot
sure the druid is probably dumb
but the healer shouldve realized that
and prio healed him
latent steppe
You ever snort crack off a hooker's ass?
whats your point with this
latent steppe
but the healer shouldve realized that
correct.
south zealot
literally none of those were why the key was depleted
.
wow
its almost like
IM ALWAYS RIGHT
???/
crude notch
whats your point with this
Nothing at all actually, it seemed like we established the issue so I was moving on.
south zealot
holy dude
latent steppe
IM ALWAYS RIGHT
you're not right about anything cause i didnt say something like "precisely the reason". i am speaking about the things that we could do better in a key. those reasons i said is not the main reason that we deplete it. if everyone could play it right it could be a timed run
besides
if you refuse to use the things you have in your arsenal such as defensives etc and expecting everything from healer
i wouldnt blame the healer %100
crude notch
i blame the hunter really because hek hunters.
@warm plinth what are you most looking forward to with the patch?
ionic fern
Replacing Annulet.
crude notch
gm mwahi, how are you
crude notch
have you tried not being horrible?
crude notch
ionic fern
crude notch
i am well, thanks for asking, just woke up, i'm on that EU sleep schedule.
ionic fern
Why?
crude notch
absolutely no reason whatsoever.
warm plinth
<@255696891000389633> what are you most looking forward to with the patch?
Probably bear/mage rework and then rogue grand melee change and not having to use annulet on rogue anymore
warm plinth
yis
ionic fern
Did frost get touched?
warm plinth
No more rune of power, hallelujah
ionic fern
I like frost.
latent steppe
heard something about frost mages
warm plinth
All 3 specs did