Maybe I remote in to check vaults
#protection
warm plinth
lusty grotto
might call in sick for that static prog
warm plinth
lusty grotto
🙂
daring marlin
They've been early pretty much every patch day
sick sentinel
once more into hell
daring marlin
this expac
lusty grotto
yeah youre not wrong guilford
daring marlin
once more into hell
UnderOWNS?
sick sentinel
undercuck
warm plinth
yogi why do you upload your keys unlisted
I don't like having to scrounge through this channel for a link from you that isn't some random ass song or video
sick sentinel
someone got mad at me for "promoting my youtube"
warm plinth
sick sentinel
so, im not making any money, so i have no purpose to promotion it
warm plinth
We ask for them though
that's not promotion
And you have to be a pretty big youtuber to make money don't you lol
proper roost
what movie u watchin @crude notch
lavish copper
does spell block still work onsark? it doesn't seem to be blocking the tank stacks for me
sick sentinel
And you have to be a pretty big youtuber to make money don't you lol
reddit / malicous compliance
warm plinth
does spell block still work onsark? it doesn't seem to be blocking the tank stac...
Are you maintaining shield block?
lavish copper
ye
warm plinth
You have logs?
daring marlin
Speaking of movies, OPPENHEIMER HYPE
warm plinth
Are you going to become death
dusky canopy
openheimer
daring marlin
destroyer of worlds
lavish copper
You have logs?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Vx143nNdgKB69cZY/ Not the most recent one, but the one before; trying it again now and just doing it last moment
crude notch
sick sentinel
nah
warm plinth
You don't even have spell block talented on that fight 🤔
daring marlin
Damn bro that's scummy yogi
mighty valley
You don't even have spell block talented on that fight 🤔
check the previous pull
lusty grotto
you dont even need spell block in heroic if youre going into the void anyway
the point of spell block is to block the void slash dot hits
and then explode without going in
because void slash dot damage is being reduced
the resulting explotion is significantly less
lavish copper
oh so i still get the debuff, just no damage
lusty grotto
block is not "no damage"
hazy bronze
Less damage
lavish copper
ok, fair
lusty grotto
void slash blows up depending on how much damage you take from it
mighty valley
yeah, the first is the damage you take with spell block up, second is without
lavish copper
got it, ty
lusty grotto
if youre doing the standard pug strat, you get stacks to go into the void and explode there
its always good to have it there though because it minimizes damage i guess
but its not required
lavish copper
i understand it now, tyvm
lusty grotto
but yes like harrow and ghash mentioned it is indeed working
anyway i always use it on that fight regardless
proper roost
dude
for someone who straight up posted his full name in here before
yogi is very paranoid about his youtube uploads lmao
lusty grotto
its sad cause i wanna do the stay out thing but its probably not the best idea with pugs, and thus my parse stays at 93% on that dumb fight
cinder storm
for someone who straight up posted his full name in here before
You can find where I live, where I work, where I eat, but never my internet history - Yogi 2023
lusty grotto
you do absolutely no damage on normal if you spell block the slash
it barely tickles
the entire raid i mean
lusty grotto
yeah you just cant do it with pugs
dusky canopy
yeah I thought you had to go down in heroic p3
lusty grotto
and honestly i just go into that fight everyweek for a quick kill to lose beacon and/or for vault so idc
so id rather not have some panicky healers be like BUT WHY DIDNT YOU GO DOWN
even though the damage isnt that big
proper roost
you do absolutely no damage on normal if you spell block the slash
i mean, it's not about the actual damage from the void slash, it's the fact that you're giving a stack of oblivion to everyone (and refreshing it in some cases)
lusty grotto
yeah
proper roost
on heroic that is, on normal nothing happens in p3 so w/e
lusty grotto
so pugging is a nightmare for it
sick sentinel
proper roost
the oblivion stack is a big deal
sick sentinel
well, im not gunna lose sleep about it, i can just run 2 more
its good practice i suppsoe
lusty grotto
it shouldn't be that bad now kanga, since obv was nerfed
but still
you cant trust pugs to handle their stacks correctly anyway
hell ive had tanks
that go down before void slash because they cant handle where they are standing
just the pug life
lusty grotto
yeah i get that
proper roost
if you refresh my oblivion like a second before it expires cuz ur greeding void slash i stg
proper roost
i don't pug raid anyway sounds like a goddamn nightmare 
lusty grotto
like i said, i rather get the kill fast and get that over with
sick sentinel
imma buy me a racing wheel controller, start playing wow on it, be the fastest warrior ever
proper roost
anyways, that's why tank parses are a meme
pallid quiver
if you refresh my oblivion like a second before it expires cuz ur greeding void ...
That sounds like something I'd do on purpose
proper roost
well that among many many many many other reasons
cringe af if u care about parse as tank roll a dps alt and play that well
lusty grotto
anyways, that's why tank parses are a meme
you take that back sir
pallid quiver
You'll have a difficult time with that sentiment in this chat in particular
proper roost
congrats you got a 99 against people who are legit perma dstance
lusty grotto
SIR
pallid quiver
Considering like half the raiders in here aim to parse specifically as their fun
proper roost
not really
waxen frigate
anyways, that's why tank parses are a meme
s-shut up 
lusty grotto
no i get what kanga is saying
lusty grotto
remember the cheese parsers
waxen frigate
91 on echo
ya im washed
lusty grotto
that shit was IS aids
daring marlin
tank parses will always be a meme
strong forum
Career raid tanks are the best
proper roost
it's ok though u literally just need them to show up and stand in the right place
sick sentinel
im career dungeon tank if that makes sense, not very good at it
proper roost
and maybe sometimes hit defensives (this one is hard sometimes)
sick sentinel
like, mall security or somethin
waxen frigate
career raid tanks still trying to make sure theyre hit capped
strong forum
daring marlin
🐔 🥭
pallid quiver
I remember back when I was told by someone that it wasn't important for me to be hit capped
lusty grotto
oh 
crude notch
good he's eating
lusty grotto
🚪 🏃
crude notch
maybe he'll be less grumpy now
lusty grotto
strong forum
cock mango doesnt make as good of a joke
daring marlin
pallid quiver
The fault lies with the child of Guile, then
sick sentinel
<@456226577798135808> how are the keys bruv
💀
daring marlin
Keep at it, King!
crude notch
Friends, I have a question
If Fire Mage is so bad why are they being brought to MDI and all the high keys?
warm plinth
Who said fire mage was bad? 🤔
crude notch
Guilford said that Billy said it was bad
warm plinth
I see
crude notch
And Guilford said the only reason they're good now is because they nerfed the totem on Wratheye and spark on Asaad
warm plinth
🤔
warm plinth
And Guilford said the only reason they're good now is because they nerfed the to...
Friend of mine who is a giga fire mage said he swaps to frost after 2nd boss in VP and Brackenhide
Idk if that's allowed ini TGP though?
crude notch
Friend of mine who is a giga fire mage said he swaps to frost after 2nd boss in ...
Even after the nerfs?
warm plinth
I assume so; I just asked him
crude notch
Idk if that's allowed ini TGP though?
During proving grounds, yes, during cup play, no.
warm plinth
ah, so I assume they just bring other specs w/ the mage to cover the lesser damage on the add/totem
like better specs I mean
Since fire would just nuke the shit out of the boss
crude notch
I wish demo was the go to lock spec. It's my second favorite DPS spec in the game. D:
warm plinth
D: what's the first?
errant oriole
prot war so beeefy! i love it!
proper roost
bm aoe is cracked rn tbf
warm plinth
Nome saying Rexxar just brings me back to you going into Rexxar with the entire zone and barely surviving after proccing cheat because gift of the titans proccing
proper roost
its only their st that is sad
warm plinth
Yeah depending on the boss I'm topping out like 90-95k rn
w/ lust ofc
And some bosses are considerably lower
crude notch
I like BM's consistency, but that can also be a problem when you need to burn
warm plinth
Yeah, same issue I have with outlaw
No burst
But I played sub for a key and it's just...weird to me
strange wedge
Anyone know what the swing timers on Dargrul and Ularogg are? Just got crit trying to taunt off Dargrul Molten Crash the tank and don’t want that to happen again
crude notch
I do love that BM's popularity will forever remain. Among all keys it's still the second most popular DPS right now
Swing timers in 2023. Uh...
warm plinth
I'm like...99.9% sure mobs can't even crit unless you're sitting
strange wedge
I was facing it head on and it crit me I’m quite sure. Might’ve strafed shortly before it hit me tho
round pendant
How do I motivate my healer friend to start dpsing
dusky canopy
all 21s as arms bb >:)
mighty valley
How do I motivate my healer friend to start dpsing
"What else are you doing when nothing's happening"
warm plinth
I was facing it head on and it crit me I’m quite sure. Might’ve strafed shortly ...
Would have to see a log. I'm fairly certain that it's impossible to be crit by a mob though.
round pendant
His argument is that the moment he tries to dps, someone steps in something and needs healing
heh
warm plinth
Like I'm looking through logs rn and the only crits I see done to players is from shadowflame patch
mighty valley
i think for most new healers it's just a practice thing, they're not experienced enough to predict damage so they think they have to be on their toes all the time
when fights are more scripted than that, just takes learning
round pendant
tbh he doesn't even bother trying to anticipate things and I can't really force him to learn those things
I'm basically playing for two when I play with him cause I have to call out mechanics lmao
can't really force people to play better tho ig
mighty valley
sounds like the not dpsing thing is a symptom not a cause then
really though, missing out on healer dps isn't really a problem until high keys which i doubt your friend is doing
daring marlin
affliction is the only real warlock spec
Broooooooo destro tho
round pendant
eh we did a few +20s last season
round pendant
He's capable of healing just not dpsing and healing
dusky canopy
ewwww
round pendant
I keep trying to get him to play disc heheheh
strong forum
Broooooooo destro tho
you mean green firemage?
strong forum
demo is eternally a living identity crisis
daring marlin
@dusky canopy grats bro
toxic pewter
affliction is and always will be coolest lock spec
daring marlin
you mean green firemage?
hazy bronze
Demo is good thematicaply even if it's red headed stepchild
crude notch
Demo is where its at
Common Brew W
crude notch
Lepan squad ain't messing around
jagged gust
Does demo have more interesting aoe than dest? I kinda like tossing giant chaos bolts non stop but RoF is so sleepermode
crude notch
Is +31 Skycap even liveable?
warm plinth
Ellesmere has a clip of him just insta dying and then getting rezzed and insta dying again
from full HP both times
crude notch
Can't wait to see the trinket tech
dusky canopy
whos streaming 31 skycap?
crude notch
Surely you run something in there
warm plinth
How do you even do that though when you don't know who it's going on XD
dusky canopy
or just chatting
crude notch
Just chatting
strong forum
How do you even do that though when you don't know who it's going on XD
bring a mega ST burn comp
and get out of p1 as fast as you can
you dont need any aoe anyway
cuz cannons
strong forum
demo can do disgusting burst yea
dusky canopy
assuming pi also
strong forum
like 300k+ openers
dusky canopy
huge
strong forum
theres no PI in that comp
strong forum
im surprised its actually firemage and not arcane
warm plinth
I think arcane won't top the chart til next patch
strong forum
fire gets online next patch
crude notch
Question is do you need caut
strong forum
could be
crude notch
IDK what you do when it's cups though. Guess you just settle for the 30?
warm plinth
The play for first boss of FH is you just do quintuple beacons on pull with defensives up
Then burst as hard as you can
strong forum
cups you try to get every key to 28 asap
then work on FH to get to 30
and then work on others to MAYBE get a 29 there
its a 5hr race x3
crude notch
What level Underrot we gonna see lol
strong forum
if we see underrot
crude notch
Well there's 3 cups
strong forum
its only 6 keys
crude notch
We'll see it
crude notch
BH gonna be a fun one to watch
crude notch
How degenerate can they get with chains will also be... fun
warm plinth
I'll watch the Neltharus keys just for that
warm plinth
2 types of people
crude notch
Lol
dusky canopy
im curious how nutty itll get myself
crude notch
What's the lowest key gonna be?
crude notch
HoI? VP?
dusky canopy
inb4 chain splashing on bosses tech
strong forum
hoi cuz last boss
crude notch
Oh God
crude notch
I hope seeing hoi in tourney play will have them swap it to % based
crude notch
Ye
dusky canopy
I dont know why its not already like that
crude notch
They said they were going to do away with time based
dusky canopy
tbh
strong forum
cuz fuck you
dusky canopy
like if they want more than 1 atleast have it like every 1/3rd
crude notch
Lol
dusky canopy
I agree completely
strong forum
classes that dont have heroic leap
dusky canopy
its horendous
strong forum
are just fucked
crude notch
Stamp into dash ezpz
4 DPS with Bear in HoI
Because everything is on 10.1.5 after Proving Grounds.
warm plinth
Do they still limit comps in MDI these days?
warm plinth
Gotcha so just not 2 of the same spec then
crude notch
Gotcha so just not 2 of the same spec then
Yep
crude notch
are there any
Nope
toxic pewter
i see
crude notch
And Bear gets stronger on reset. 🙂
toxic pewter
Do you think other tanks could be showing up after reset
dusky canopy
bear is going to be insane popularity i bet
very easy to play
about to be insanely strong
toxic pewter
I gues it will just be firmly bears then
dusky canopy
true
warm plinth
I've seen so many bear tanks sitting at full rage like 80% of the time
toxic pewter
do bears have more rage generation than us
crude notch
It's not apples to apples
crude notch
Bear loses some with patch though
crude notch
Well they're unlikely to run Galactic Guardian in keys because they changed it eating itself
crude notch
But in AoE they'll still maintain dumb amounts from thrash ticks
daring marlin
My 🐻❄️ arc is imminent
warm plinth
Oh I was wondering why GG wasn't being taken anymore
So it's because you have to manually consume them now
crude notch
Yep
Pair that with the left side getting love and there's no need to go right
Sadly Lunar Beam is finally strong enough but won't be taken because not worth the other talents to get there
warm plinth
Yeah, lunar beam always a bridesmaid never a bride
crude notch
I want to see someone gigachad it and run lunar beam, rage of the Sleeper, and incarn.
teal mural
question guys: onyx ring is still good ?
crude notch
question guys: onyx ring is still good ?
Come Tuesday it is most likely out. Double check on Tuesday though.
sick sentinel
question guys: onyx ring is still good ?
toxic pewter
do healers use annulet ring for the damage or healing from it
and will healers use it still
prob wont use it right
warm plinth
Damage
They will use it for damage still
Stats don't really give shit for damage to healers
round pendant
Boys should I use spell block on sark or is it not necessary
warm plinth
What difficulty
round pendant
heroic
warm plinth
Nah probably not necessary
proper roost
idk about other healers
round pendant
thought so
proper roost
but rsham is switching to stats ring for dps
warm plinth
That's interesting
proper roost
the nerf is pretty substantial
crude notch
Yeah meg says reg ring for mw too
proper roost
i think the stupid staff from the m0 will be bis for keys anyway too because of that dumb greentext
Mad
crude notch
still waiting to see what the 2h agi stat means
(:
please blizzard let us test megadungeon lootttttt in the future
thanks
proper roost
not a pillar gamer..
crude notch
that int staff seems so tedious
proper roost
wym
crude notch
was it this chat that was talking about the sandglass saying it gave 30k haste?
warm plinth
I think the number was 10k but yeah
crude notch
they fixed that btw it's 800 haste.
proper roost
i'm just gonna macro the staff on use to flame shock and never think about it
err assuming that it's instant..
jagged gust
This might sound like a dumb question to ask this late in the season, but can we heroic leap over the hula hoop of death in the Altairus fight in VP?
warm plinth
I don't know but heroic leap is historically always sketchy on things like that because we don't go super high. Generally have to make sure the peak of your jump is when you cross over it
mighty valley
for painsmith you had to jump then leap and aim so the peak of the jump was over the wall
not really worth for altairus tbh
proper roost
yeah the cast says it's instant so i'm literally just gonna macro it into lvb/lb/flame shock
and never think about it
but it's still dumb
daring marlin
This might sound like a dumb question to ask this late in the season, but can we...
Yes.
It works every time
proper roost
also the safest way to do it by far
crude notch
People gonna want the mirror as well I imagine
mighty valley
oh neat
crude notch
jagged gust
Bounding is permalocked for me, I can't live without it
jagged gust
But thanks, great to know
daring marlin
leap away brother
proper roost
i dunno if it is 
daring marlin
It feels good
proper roost
will be v unhappy if so
crude notch
Yeah boomkin gonna want it surely
mighty valley
i hate when item good... but when item bad? that's bad too
daring marlin
that's ok
toxic pewter
i like 3 min cd more than 2 min cd or 2.5 min cd personally
sick sentinel
debating if i wanna try again under rot or not
round pendant
hey that rhymes
round pendant
which boss?
crude notch
lmao
round pendant
the first boss is a target dummy
daring marlin
Yogi you gotta break the conditioning
round pendant
second boss is group brain-check
sick sentinel
second boss cuz he a cragmaw
daring marlin
RAHHHHHHHHHH
daring marlin
crude notch
lol
daring marlin
I think it'd be interesting if the mirror gave you your lowest stat.
warm plinth
He's the son we never knew we wanted
daring marlin
Be a funny situation for certain specs.
sick sentinel
frost boy
warm plinth
How old are you @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
is this the identity theft hotline
sick sentinel
im calling my lawyers
warm plinth
is this the identity theft hotline
You literally already doxxed yourself in here
sick sentinel
is fine, my fb is privated
crude notch
i'm frost main in 10.1.5
warm plinth
I doxxed myself fully in MPF
Even wrote my address and phone number
No one even texted me
crude notch
I didn't even have to post my number for nexii to text me once
sick sentinel
im not too worried its not like i got arrest warrants or nothin
warm plinth
That just makes me think you have warrants
daring marlin
good ol' canuck yogi
mighty valley
people without arrest warrants are always saying "i got no arrest warrants"
sick sentinel
just, being doxxed doesn't phase me really lol
crude notch
dox deez
sick sentinel
i already know 99% of the outcomest that will happen from something like that tso, whatever
warm plinth
I'M SO BORED
jagged gust
I need the DN screenshot from the monk discord
jagged gust
Here's fun fact about Northern Ontario, it's actually western Ontario
proper roost
i just find it funny what yogi chooses to get tilted over
in keys
like he used to complain about NL worm boss spiked tongue
and then he just got over it
proper roost
much easier
by a lot
H sark was pugged a lot on week 2, H raz was DEFINITELY not pugged a lot by week 2
mighty valley
i was amazed that raz kept the knockback even for LFR, that shit was so funny
you genuinely had to raid lead and teach lfr gamers not to get knocked off if you wanted to even reach the determination timer
sick sentinel
mage rage
i don't fully understand the strategy hes on about
that was more painful key than it needed to be, didnt go over timer though
mighty valley
you want to face that boss to the wall and have everyone stack on top of you
then when he starts frontal, everyone move around the room
to get away from shit on the ground
then turn him back to the wall again
rinse and repeat
sick sentinel
the group was really angry at me pretty much second boss on though
warm plinth
i don't fully understand the strategy hes on about
You're diamond, boss is star, lines are his cone
sick sentinel
i did play shit though, had no reason to survive 3rd boss,
warm plinth
Whenever he does cone, you run through him far enough that he's not in the puddles, then you flip him back to face the old puddles
proper roost
holy fuck you actually whipped up an mspaint for him
warm plinth
I did
proper roost
i was gonna try and look up a random UR log and post a clip of the replay
south zealot
H sark was pugged a lot on week 2, H raz was DEFINITELY not pugged a lot by week...
heroic rasz is much harder
sick sentinel
that might even be an adobe photoshop
warm plinth
Nah it's good ole mspaint
south zealot
idk if thats what we are talking about just the first thing i saw
proper roost
yeh i was responding to the message literally right above that
mighty valley
you should've made yogi the star
proper roost
CHOCO
mighty valley
since he's a star to all of us
proper roost
it's kinda funny how long it takes for strats like these to filter down
because sometimes things don't filter down
like
warm plinth
Especially when you consider that this is the second time we've seen this dungeon
proper roost
i did 3 NLs today and none of the tanks did the bellowing idol positions correctly
at 20/20/21
sick sentinel
we had underrot for literal ENTIRITY OF BFA
proper roost
very curious
warm plinth
Yeah I haven't seen a single tank besides me do the idol stacking
sick sentinel
as an LFD normal and heroic and keystone in all the seasons im pretty sure
sick sentinel
so, people remember that place, they will never forget
proper roost
well not week 1 but like week 2+
even in low keys like 17 spams
so it's kinda funny how latecomers just don't learn at all
certain things
mighty valley
latecomers are often people who've just climbed mostly due to gear
and were never really doing keys where like... bad strats killed you
proper roost
yeh well my point is
it's funny that things like the UR last boss thing trickled down
but not NL bellowing idol (or dargrul, but i'd give dargrul kind of a pass because it's dependent on the entire group doing it right)
warm plinth
tbf bellowing idol isn't nearly the requirement it used to be. That damage is a shadow of its former self
proper roost
it's not big, but i mean, idk
mighty valley
yeah, if the UR final boss isn't tanked well, the whole ground is fucked and it feels miserable for everyone
warm plinth
It used to hit the entire group, now it's just one person
proper roost
die everytime when tanks don't do that as a melee dps
mighty valley
stacking idols is nice but it's not gonna stick in most random dps's minds as "ahhhhhhh this whole fight is fucked"
proper roost
that's because people don't pay attention to what fucks you up on that fight
a lot of people still think it's just rng when hands spawn on you
proper roost
it's like literally a 50/50 every time if a tank will tank it wrong or some idiot rdps will stand on the edge
Idk why that's so unknown
warm plinth
idk this is the damage from a 20 tyrannical
Seems fine to me idk
No other damage happening besides that
proper roost
not talking about that
mighty valley
it's literally just something you have to be told somewhere, the game doesn't really do anything to explain it
proper roost
as mdps what actually fucks you up with bad bellow positions is
warm plinth
What are you talking about then
proper roost
you have to stand on someone else (tank or w/e) to get a cleave on all 3
so you risk really bad hand rng
or the tank places them too close to the edge and you have to risk hand spawn on you
warm plinth
Ah okay. I thought you were saying you were dying to the debris
warm plinth
I have extended range on my melee so it's fine for me but I get what you're saying now
proper roost
people just aren't aware that presetup for hand positions are like 99% of the fight
even tho it's a big wipe source
warm plinth
Apparently there's a bug where if you keep him in the middle, the hands can just insta-kill people
proper roost
yeah it's due to the terrain on the edge of the center circle
it's sloped slightly so the hands just spawn short
warm plinth
I have always pulled him away from mid anyway because I don't want the idols to spawn where the cup game starts
proper roost
i'm not really sure it's a fixable bug either
idk if they have the capacity or capability to adjust terrain like that
warm plinth
Realistically there's no real reason to have that there
daring marlin
H sark was pugged a lot on week 2, H raz was DEFINITELY not pugged a lot by week...
Got my pug h sark kill week 2 
jagged gust
i did 3 NLs today and none of the tanks did the bellowing idol positions correct...
Mind holding my hand through what you're talking about? I've never heard of any particular strat to idol stacking besides tanking boss between them for cleaves
warm plinth
He always spawns them with the first in front of his left hand, and the second in front of his right hand
So when he spawns the first one, you flip him and he'll spawn them on top of each other
I might have htem backward but the same thing applies regardless
mighty valley
starboard
jagged gust
counterclockwise, gotcha
proper roost
same thing for last boss
he always spawns the add on his left hand
so you want group to stack to his front left on the pull
sick sentinel
well, i killed 2 or 3 15 UR's today
warm plinth
Uldaman is bad every week tbf
sick sentinel
so, easy for yogi as well
warm plinth
But at your level everything should be easy
sick sentinel
cuz im bound to fuck up those keyse
sick sentinel
hero pog storm 437 4/5
crude notch
uhoh
proper roost
nice yogi
sick sentinel
more important to continue collecting for 4 for 447
sick sentinel
or pogstrom 441 RN
no, isn't me bragging, this time
is advicees about should i spend it?
jagged gust
I'm impatient, I take the instant gratification of multiple hero upgrades every time
proper roost
up to you
a 447 shield is really good though
i would craft that unless you have a 441+ vault shield already
your shield will probably be the largest individual upgrade
warm plinth
is advicees about should i spend it?
I agree with Kanga
sick sentinel
this no repair bill thing is really nice i tell you what
warm plinth
Definitely use them for crafted shit first
And worry about upgrading your last hero spots later
sick sentinel
all my gear is 437 champ or hero
hero helm, shoulder, wrist, weapon hands, a few trinkets
rest 437 champ
is there any special ules about tuesday vault
undone verge
you genuinely had to raid lead and teach lfr gamers not to get knocked off if yo...
lfr nzoth 
warm plinth
is there any special ules about tuesday vault
nope. Just make sure you got a 16 at least so you can upgrade it later
sick sentinel
i have to do a 17 to get a myth right
undone verge
"/RW use ur neck" *15 people get mc'd
warm plinth
No, 16 will give you myth track
sick sentinel
really okay
sick sentinel
well, if i do a 17, i get a CHANCE at a hero drop
thats my vault so far, i was having major doubts about under rot today, barely made through at end
but i kinda also wanna do 4 more, in gneral, just so i can have socket option incase shit vault
proper roost
that 16 gives you a 441 that can upgrade to a 447
next week
it's p valuable
or can be, anyway
warm plinth
Well, yeah if you do a 17 then you can get a hero drop from the dungeon potentially
Next week yogi, I wanna see all 16s or higher on that list
or riot
sick sentinel
ya, and i like 30 io if its a key i haven't timed that high yet
warm plinth
Skyhold will riot
proper roost
yeah you literally only have to do one more 16 this week
and you'd get two 16 slots
that's huge
warm plinth
empty inlet
we need to get yogi a 20
warm plinth
I was actually about to ask him if he would do a key with me and my healer next week
proper roost
yogi would despise getting carried
toxic pewter
Tankian carries all on his shoulders
warm plinth
I didn't say I was gonna carry him
I was hoping he'd carry us
@sick sentinel we doing a 20 next week
sick sentinel
i sort of want to try hoi but i feel id blow up the group at ice lady
tornadoes are sneaky
and the frog, died a few horrific deaths to tyranical pepega
crude notch
Looks like Darius
warm plinth
yogi not even acknowledging me pepehands
hazy bronze
He only acknowledges two people: hot chicks and big dicks
lusty grotto
hmmm
i panicked on an overlap but we still timed
(also sp hit release instead of waiting on rez popup and we pulled last boss without him lmao)
kinda easy tbh
modern gazelle
is there an easier way to know when something is doing physical vs magic damage?
so i know when to use spell reflect to help reduce the magic damage
i have a WA for reflectable spells, but i also want to know for when something isnt reflectable but is still magic damage
urban portal
almost everything is magic
cinder storm
modern gazelle
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS26lkSc_eaulHX7-UY8Uu-7DAHvkScx...
i already use this, but i specifically mean when something is magic damage but not reflectable or blockable
to take advantage of the 20% reduced damage of spell reflect
modern gazelle
almost everything is magic
thought most m+ are physical?
urban portal
no
everything thats a mechanic is basically magic
everything a tank is SUPPOSED to tank is usually physical
cinder storm
I personally try to memorize the spreedsheet as much as I can, I dont think theres a wa for deflectable spells
modern gazelle
someone made a WA for reflectable spells based on this spreadsheet if you want me to link it
i guess i can memorize the magic/physical off the spreadsheet but was hoping there was an easier way in game to tell quickly
warm plinth
You get the mitigation whether you reflect or not
modern gazelle
yeah i know, thats why im asking if there is a way to know quickly in game whether something is magic damage or not
so i know if its worth using even if the spell is not reflectable that way im still using the 20% reduction
warm plinth
I can't really think of anything that isn't pretty obvious whether it's one or the other
Just based on the name or visual
modern gazelle
i play pretty zoomed out so seeing the visual of each mobs cast isn't easy usually for me, spel name is fine but does that really give away whether its magic or physical?
urban portal
yeah you essentially have to guess based on name
crude notch
be smrt
cinder storm
if it's aoe you probably deflect, if its targeted you probably reflect
modern gazelle
but cause of flaming its magic?
crude notch
If I hit you with fire it's certainly not physical
warm plinth
Yes. If something says fire or flame in the name, you can be pretty sure it's fire :p
warm plinth
mmhm, but it doesn't matter if it's a combo since all you're trying to answer is whether spell reflect does anything against it
And it would still mitigate the magic portion of the attack
Or in that case, reflect it
modern gazelle
reflect means shoot back at
im focusing on the reduction
cause i already know whats reflectable based on my WA
also...
warm plinth
Just use the spell if you're not sure. It's off the GCD
modern gazelle
phyiscal, fire
warm plinth
you lose nothing to use it
modern gazelle
im just trying to get a good sense of it to use it as best as possible is all
crude notch
well you're doing good by reading the sheet
warm plinth
Honestly think you're overthinking it
Like even if you had an exhaustive list of everything that was magic, it's not like you're gonna memorize every single spell in every single dungeon
modern gazelle
just have trouble memorizing every spell off the sheet for magic/physical, i know whether something is gonna hurt or not usually and what the spel does, but i struggle knowing if its magic or physical
modern gazelle
Honestly think you're overthinking it
not overthinking, just trying to improve, and it came up for me during raid that i wanted to use it more on experiments i realized to mitigate dot some
crude notch
definitely don't learn by being pedantic about "fire" damage
modern gazelle
so trying to see if there is an easier way to recognize while playing
warm plinth
Also there is a magic portion of fiery focus. The physical is the focus part which is the attacks he does on the tank. The lava splashes are fire
hence fiery focus
And in that case you'd probably use SR anyway because it would mitigate the dot from the chains breaking
modern gazelle
what bosses are you guys swapping spell block in on raid btw?
crude notch
in heroic?
modern gazelle
yeah
i havent really felt the need to swap fully but if it helps i figure i should
take some stress off healers possibly and maybe save some cds more
warm plinth
Could swap on Sark probably
I think it works on the Magmorax tankbuster and Kazzara's tankbuster as well but neither of those bosses are particularly dangerous, especially on heroic.
urban portal
if the boss is casting something, the chances are its magic
urban portal
take some stress off healers possibly and maybe save some cds more
healers do not have stress in heroic
they want you to take more damage
so they can actually parse
crude notch
healing parses kekw
cinder nova
yeah
Unless you're super low-geared, Splock wont save you on most mechanics. You might be able to excuse it for... I dunno, maybe Rashok if you're barely 700K HP.
You have tools to overcome Heroic without deviating from the current setup, including weaving in and out of Def. Stance as necessary. It's an on-demand 20% DR cooldown with infinite duration.
crude notch
lusty grotto
no, youre not even close to the content that you need versa for
pallid quiver
should i care about swapping some pieces for more verse?
If you're not struggling to survive at all while playing well, I'd just keep gearing as sims tell you to
modern gazelle
at what point do you care?
pallid quiver
If you struggle to survive while playing well
That'll be at some of the highest keys done at all
modern gazelle
aight cool, i plan to time high keys but havent had the time, plan to consistent +20s this week ideally
pallid quiver
You might be able to pass some haste for vers in terms of damage, but again, I'd just do what our sim robit overlords tell us
it'd know better
lusty grotto
nah
thats haste with ITF stacks
nobody can get 7100 rating for it
so its a no go
pallid quiver
meanwhile
the guy who has posted their rating enough
I forgot who, but someone here has it
lusty grotto
even if i swap my 3 least haste pieces which is neck, ring and FF belt
and i socket haste
with full sockets
i dont get to 7100
so i'd like to see that
AND i have BR bracers which are 2x haste
is he not wearing tier or something?
haste trinkets or w/e
i dont even know which trinket has passive haste lmao
lusty grotto
oh true
warm plinth
Yeah it's obtainable, technically but realistically, it's not
lusty grotto
yeah sounds like some fuckery
lusty grotto
i cant find any fast 20s
we're positive next tuesday's 19 rewards can be upped right? its not gonna be a week later or some shit?
warm plinth
16 rewards can. That's what Blizzard said. As long as they're 441 or higher
(and weren't upgraded to that point I assume)
lusty grotto
well i guess ill do 1 more just in case
figure we push with 4 keys tomorrow and we'll be done
though we have 2x 23 VP keys which might be yikes
modern gazelle
is there any diff tank mechs for heroic sark?
lusty grotto
kinda feel bad for my friend
modern gazelle
looked at guide and didnt seem like it
lusty grotto
VPs are gonna giga rough with pugs
modern gazelle
oh, besides the mob soaking
crude notch
inv me nim, i'll carry
warm plinth
Yeah it's just that there's swirls in p1 and you have to drag the adds into the pools @modern gazelle
modern gazelle
Yeah it's just that there's swirls in p1 and you have to drag the adds into the ...
cool thats what i thought thanks
crude notch
yw glad to help 🙂
warm plinth
Because it's Monday, obviously
ionic fern
Wish they gave some of the proper classes a new spec.
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> hi ily
Hi Ghash, ily.
chilly brook
Wish they gave some of the proper classes a new spec.
Look
I'm all for glad spec for warrior
But evoker is actually giga fun and a legit class
ionic fern
Not even talking about warrior specifically.
warm plinth
We need a third DH spec where it's VDH but actually designed properly.
ionic fern
But evoker is actually giga fun and a legit class
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh.
modern gazelle
warrior heal spec, make him just shout at people like an angry bard
ionic fern
Hurrdurr 4 button rotation
warm plinth
Evoker is boring as fuck
ionic fern
Big dam
warm plinth
10 APM and very few buttons
lusty grotto
idk
chilly brook
fury press 4 buttons and do dam
lusty grotto
i wouldnt consider having more than 4 buttons deep design either
warm plinth
The difference is that fury's buttons feel good to press and it's fast paced
chilly brook
It's one of the shallowest class design i've seen.
except you actually need to think about when to press your CDs
ionic fern
Oh, i ain't deep-diving into this conversation so you guys can keep it going. 😂
warm plinth
Empowered spells are clunky as fuck and it's suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper slow
ionic fern
I'm mid meeting.
chilly brook
if you get 2 casts of DR in a fight it's much better to delay both casts unless somehow you're going to miss it
like the closer your first cast is to 50% hp the better
since mastery scales so linearly
chilly brook
Empowered spells are clunky as fuck and it's suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper slo...
only thing I found clunky about them is the stupid bug >.>
I'll give you it's fairly low CPM, but when you're inside your CDs it doesn't feel slow at all
warm plinth
If by fairly low you mean the lowest APM in the game, then yes
chilly brook
well ye but I wasn't saying fairly low in the context of ranking it in relation to other classes
just that it's on the low end for what people are used to in wow
that being said it's not the lowest if you want to be techincal
that title goes to healers
more specifically like resto sham
crude notch
well they pulled off the +31
ionic fern
Eee..Guardian Druid / Hpally / Spriest / Mage / x?
ionic fern
Damn, shows what i know about the "meta".
crude notch
How tf did they live first boss
that's okay i'm wondering wtf happened here
lusty grotto
oh shit
junkrat is playing war?
i guess for that dungeon or?
i havent kept up with dorki
crude notch
yeah he was spriest in ulda
lusty grotto
ohh
crude notch
jr secretly been multiclassing since bfa tbh
crude notch
Twitter
lusty grotto
lmao
crude notch
3 NA teams in the top 18 rn
warm plinth
I bet he's running war because he can sit in def stance on first boss
crude notch
D:
modern gazelle
welp got H sark to 20% on a pug and everyone quit so gg
it was like 2nd pull, feel like it was doable
warm plinth
They quit on the 2nd pull and you got to 20%???
crude notch
2nd overall pull or 2nd pull with you?
modern gazelle
overall
may have been 3rd pull actually
yeah cause 1st was okay, 2nd was shit and 3rd we got 20%
pugs just dont have stamina unfortunately :/
torn gulch
crude notch
gosh darn kids these days
strange wedge
Would have to see a log. I'm fairly certain that it's impossible to be crit by ...
Okay thanks! I’d prefer that I fucked up over having to pop a defensive every time from now on as well.
ionic fern
Unless you sit down, you can't get crit.
You can get smacked from behind,which would make block/parry irrelevant.
warm plinth
weirdly enough, shadowflame's recoil damage can crit you
strange wedge
I just tested on the tank dummy and it crit me from the front. So maybe dps specs can still randomly get crit?
crude notch
you're aware of what channel you're in right?
strange wedge
Yes I asked in this channel because Prot warriors tend to have more knowledge of general tanking mechanics
and I did specify that I was just a dps taunting it off
warm plinth
Do you have a log showing that?
strange wedge
The training dummy or the specific instance of crit in the dungeon?
warm plinth
either/both
restive crown
well they pulled off the +31
is there a video for it?
crude notch
No.
ionic fern
I just tested on the tank dummy and it crit me from the front. So maybe dps spec...
DPS can get crit.
I thought you're talking about prot specifically.
If you're a DPS you can get critted on, yes.
ionic fern
strange wedge
I guess dps warriors don't taunt off on 2nd and 4th boss NL consistently then
Sadge
strange wedge
or reroll prot
jagged pier
yer dont do that we about to be deadge
blazing perch
Stupid question, I get how ignore pain works but whats the best way to use it? Do I press it once and wait for it to run out or do I keep pressing it to increase damage reduction?
warm plinth
I guess dps warriors don't taunt off on 2nd and 4th boss NL consistently then
Just move out of melee range 👀
It's a rage dump when revenge isn't enough
You'll end up pressing it a lot
Don't think too much about it. Just press it to keep from overcapping
blazing perch
But what if I want to dump my rage on revenge to get some dps instead of ignore pain?
warm plinth
jagged pier
it also isnt always a dps increase to revenge