protection

[modern gazelle]

Id prob like DH if i took the time to learn it, but practicing it feels like im on adderal

[round pendant]

DH is the most wack feeling class in the game

[proper roost]

yea, that used to be a thing in legion iirc

the following cons

but it was also way less impactful in general anyway compared to current cons

[modern gazelle]

i like frost dk a lot, but just not enough to take over warrior atm and i never tried blood dk

[round pendant]

That's probably the true reason I don't like paladin anymore, I mained it in legion and prob had that glyph then. I just don't remember shit from back then

[proper roost]

i dont rly think you can complain about current cons tbh. go play bdk with its positional requirements then bitch

[round pendant]

You can not like both!

[proper roost]

compared to that cons is baby easy mode

[crude notch]

I can complain about both

[toxic pewter]

Consecration and d n d need to remain static areas. They’re not auras or presences

[crude notch]

LMAO

[proper roost]

no, having position req is kinda not that bad

sorta

depends

[crude notch]

For damage sure

I'm fine with it being tied to damage

Not so much defensively

[proper roost]

i mean its also tied to defensive for bdk idk

[crude notch]

Yes

[round pendant]

It just feels bad

[toxic pewter]

So what

[crude notch]

We were talking about paladins though

So I'm not going to include DND

[round pendant]

game should be fun

[toxic pewter]

I like them remaining static personally

[proper roost]

i just dont think cons is that bad, wanting to plant somewhere is ok, its very lenient size, its extremely lenient cd

[modern gazelle]

What do you guys think they would have to get rid of on warrior to give us more team utility?

[toxic pewter]

Like I said they’re not auras or presences

[round pendant]

They should either

1. be an aura
2. be off gcd

[south zealot]

dnd as blood feels awful

[south zealot]

warrior doesnt need more team utility

[proper roost]

based and true

prot can even freely take intervene a lot of the time

tho its not super useful this season but

[crude notch]

Oh God Choco agrees with me, maybe I'm on the wrong side

[south zealot]

speaking of intervene i think it should be baseline and safeguard is the talent

[proper roost]

agreege

[toxic pewter]

Just more proof of what wow has become.. for shame

[crude notch]

apb

[round pendant]

"A broken clock is right twice a day"

[proper roost]

i dont really think dps warrior should really have intervene idk

maybe pvpers would mald over that actually

[south zealot]

arms having intervene makes sense since they have dbts

[toxic pewter]

?

[crude notch]

The glyph for consecrate is older than dirt so that's a dumb ass perspective

[toxic pewter]

Yea and blizzard rightfully corrected their wrong

[modern gazelle]

i forgot glyphs even existed lol

[crude notch]

Please cease speaking

Remove your keyboard

[proper roost]

but yeah i'd agree with if cons didnt have the dr, its kind of a weird design

[toxic pewter]

I will not be censored. Especially by the likes of you

[round pendant]

Imagine dying on this hill

[modern gazelle]

rip warlock glyphs

[proper roost]

he's just chatting, do not fall for apb's bait

its really low tier bait

[crude notch]

apb is resident classic Andy

[proper roost]

He saw u guys had opinions on it and took the opposite stance

he literally has no personal opinion on it

[south zealot]

cant relate i never bait and always have good tskes

[proper roost]

he's just baiting

[south zealot]

takes

[crude notch]

And are never wrong

[round pendant]

consecrate was probably cool in classic, when you could afk in fights because it's basically runescape

[toxic pewter]

Just telling it like it is. Consecrating ground as holy ground is a static and correct design choice. Same with d n d stretching back to wc3

[south zealot]

i farm downvotes on reddit

[crude notch]

We're not playing wc3 you putz

[toxic pewter]

Yah no shit

But it’s iconic to dk

[round pendant]

Missing the part where anyone suggested dnd should move with you

[south zealot]

who cared

[toxic pewter]

And it will never change

[proper roost]

yknow what I think is kinda underexplored

and tbf i think there was a bad legion legendary that touched on it, idk about sl legendaries or bfa powers

[south zealot]

keep the button just dont make you stand in it

[crude notch]

Why can't you belong to a different server

[proper roost]

blessed hammer is kinda lame for what it is

[crude notch]

And bait on there

[proper roost]

very halfbaked and lazy, theres more design space there imo

[toxic pewter]

I’m not baiting just telling the truth

[proper roost]

and hotr is super boring

[round pendant]

ALSO personally I think tanks bringing their death and decay or consecration where they walk is a fucking SICK idea

like just from a class fantasy perspective

[crude notch]

Blessed Hammer should bounce off walls

[round pendant]

Tanks are supposed to be the badasses of their classes

[proper roost]

theres a d3 legendary that procs bh off BH hits

like that kinda thing as a spec talent

could be cool

idk

just an underexplored thing imo

[crude notch]

Until it pulls a whole dungeon lol

[modern gazelle]

tell that to brewmasters xD

[proper roost]

it only procs off the initial bh ofc

[crude notch]

Brew is cool wtf you mean

Don't insult @dusky canopy in my presence thank you

[south zealot]

brew is the coolest tank

[proper roost]

half the people in here are brm mains

[modern gazelle]

if we are speaking in raw terms of "cool" they are so lame design wise to me lmao

[proper roost]

watch who ur dissing

[south zealot]

unfortunately it kinda sucks ass to play bc u have 10 rotational buttons and 20 cooldowns

[modern gazelle]

WW coolest monk spec

[round pendant]

wrongest opinion

[crude notch]

Thankfully this game isn't designed around your opinions or it would've died with WS

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/trailer-park-boys-you-want-one-fight-me-gif-13876709

[crude notch]

Gottem

[modern gazelle]

but yes BM is also terrible to play

[south zealot]

windwalker and brew are two of the coolest specs

[chilly brook]

Brew isn’t that bad

[dusky canopy]

Monk is like 2nd best to warrior imo

[crude notch]

Based Matt

[chilly brook]

It honestly just needs to lose like 2 CDs

[crude notch]

Y'know I've never disagreed with anything Matt has ever said

[modern gazelle]

im sure people like it, and it isnt objectively bad, just doesnt feel fun and is clunky to me

[dusky canopy]

Monk thematically is pretty sic

[chilly brook]

If it did it’d feel pretty close to perfect

[crude notch]

Y'all should be more like Matt

[chilly brook]

That’s a cap

[crude notch]

What have I disagreed with you about

Wait

[dusky canopy]

The shape of the earth

[crude notch]

If you disagree with me disagreeing with you

That's

Wtf

I've been played

[south zealot]

y’all should be more like me

[proper roost]

based lol

[dusky canopy]

If the earth is round how come we don’t fall off of it

[modern gazelle]

i need to try blood DK still, but Brewmaster has always been the leasat fun tank for me

[chilly brook]

[toxic pewter]

Everyone should just be themself and be able to express their views without censorship

[chilly brook]

Nah but I was wrong about like BFA m+

[proper roost]

wait the WME listings use a password system? lol thats kinda funny

[chilly brook]

See

[crude notch]

Imagine not knowing fun

[proper roost]

have u tried just never being wrong? being wrong is kinda cringe

[modern gazelle]

kind of but not really, people ask you to type WME or something specific so they know you are from WME

[dusky canopy]

BRM literally breaths fire and throws kegs of beer at people

[modern gazelle]

technically WME groups are supposed to ONLY be WME members

[dusky canopy]

What is wrong with you?

[chilly brook]

Yknow I’m usually right, but it gets tiring being right all the time

It’s hard work

[proper roost]

ok first of all

if brm threw kegs of BEARS at people

[modern gazelle]

I dont drink alcohol so throwing beer means nothing to me

[proper roost]

i would instantly

roll monk

[dusky canopy]

Kanga damnit

I fixed it

Phone boss go ham

[crude notch]

Being wrong isn't us disagreeing. There factually wasn't uh dks in push groups. I think you meant more MDI.

[proper roost]

delete warrior instantly roll monk

In fact why isn't that an april fools joke

[toxic pewter]

LOL I see wat u did there

[proper roost]

hmph

[chilly brook]

I do actually be leveling a monk

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-angry-throw-bear-gif-13420199

BRM

[chilly brook]

But mostly just to play MW

[dusky canopy]

^^

[chilly brook]

Gotta be the change you wanna see right?

And I want more healers damnit

[proper roost]

yeah I kinda want a mw but i think playing a third character is fully beyond me atm

[modern gazelle]

aight i want to see peoples rankings of tank classes in terms of fun

[crude notch]

Fun?

[proper roost]

I keep trying to play a third but i can barely log on 2 characters

[crude notch]

None of them are fun

[dusky canopy]

Just make all mist weaver abilities happen passivley through BRM abilities and delete mist weaver

[south zealot]

brew, pwar, bdk, ppal, vengeance, bear

[dusky canopy]

Problem solved

[south zealot]

idk why you would ever choose to play bear

[toxic pewter]

Bear pretty fun

[modern gazelle]

i used to love bear, wasn't feeling it when i went to level it this xpac though

[chilly brook]

War>>>vdh/blood>brew>pally>>>>>>>>bear

[crude notch]

I unironically don't feel any different about tanks

[modern gazelle]

PWar, Vengeance DH, Pally/Bear, BDK, Brew and i havent even played bdk lol

[crude notch]

Like they're all the same to me

[dusky canopy]

Hmmmm warrior and monk are my top two I’m fairly confident about, picking a 3rd is tough it kinda changes for me

I despise BDK

[proper roost]

brm was never the same after they removed Clash

😔

[dusky canopy]

VDH can be kinda cool

[south zealot]

its still in the game noob

just talent into it

[chilly brook]

Blood is fun

[south zealot]

[modern gazelle]

I want to learn VDH more, its fun, just such a weird playtyle compared to pwar

[proper roost]

yeah but also not really

[chilly brook]

Just don’t think about it like you’re reacting to things

[dusky canopy]

Bear can be cool too

[chilly brook]

Play it proactively

[south zealot]

prot has never been the same since banner removed

[daring marlin]

BDK is pretty fun tbh

[crude notch]

I like them all for different reasons

[dusky canopy]

Paladin is boring as hell

[daring marlin]

IN KEYS

[round pendant]

what makes bdk fun

[daring marlin]

in raid

[chilly brook]

Blood is fundamentally misunderstood by like 95% of players

[dusky canopy]

Logging off it

[chilly brook]

Including blood DKs

[round pendant]

Genuinely curious because I just didn't vibe with it at all

[round pendant]

truuue

[proper roost]

ok tbf which tank is fun in raid dude

[modern gazelle]

i think the design aspect of blood is cool

[proper roost]

u literally cant say any

u cant

[daring marlin]

fair point

[dusky canopy]

Warrior is fun in raid

[proper roost]

raid tanking is ambien

[dusky canopy]

Hello

[daring marlin]

I have been had

[south zealot]

idk it just is

[round pendant]

yeah conceptually DKs are sick in general but they play like ass

[south zealot]

there is no fun in raid tanking for me

[proper roost]

Hi ur opinion is wrong

[chilly brook]

How?

[daring marlin]

choco based

[chilly brook]

They play very much like you’d play a warrior tbh

[ebon wren]

warrior tier set seems really good. havent played mine this season but starting him up. why not more warriors? (lack of res/bres/groupheal/utility? lol)

[south zealot]

i think standing in dnd is ass but other than that its fun

[modern gazelle]

I never used to tank raids, but has it changed? I feel like raid tanking is so simplified like you barely have to think

[dusky canopy]

Prot war raid is fun you care fuck all about everything happening and just smash SS keybind at light speed

Peak dopamine

[south zealot]

if warrior isnt number 1 its trash in the communities eyes

[daring marlin]

The two charge talent helps some with DnD but yeah

[round pendant]

dnd sucks for same reasons as not like cons, lack of mobility, mostly

I really can't stand having bad mobility

[chilly brook]

You keep your bone charges above 5, and then you basically want to pool for damage before it happens

[proper roost]

if shattering bone wasnt like all ur damage and tied to dnd and dnd uptime required procs

it would be a big deal

[round pendant]

also yeah prot war is good in raid

[dusky canopy]

Any class tied to a small area on the ground is just bad

[chilly brook]

DND is always popping though

[dusky canopy]

Hate all of that play style

[round pendant]

you just feel like a dps player who's also getting dps'd

[proper roost]

i mean tbf dnd is very big

[chilly brook]

And it’s not like the biggest of things

[daring marlin]

Cons is a non factor, it may as well not have a CD.

[chilly brook]

As in the most important

[daring marlin]

It's incredibly short

[chilly brook]

But it’s not hard to stay in it

[round pendant]

It still takes a gcd to cast

[proper roost]

OK THANK U thats what i was sayin!!!

[chilly brook]

It’s far less limiting than paladins consecration

[proper roost]

Sheesh!!!

[chilly brook]

And it has good interaction with your kit

[dusky canopy]

This is fair and tru yes

[south zealot]

blood dk gcds are the most valuable in the game and having to use one on dnd every 15 seconds is bad

[chilly brook]

Wdym having to?

[daring marlin]

^^^^^^^^

[dusky canopy]

Death strike should refresh existing DND

[round pendant]

I should try udk again, maybe I should try to be less dismissive so soon

[chilly brook]

It’s quite valuable to press the button

[round pendant]

but idk

[dusky canopy]

[chilly brook]

It’s not like it’s a waste

[south zealot]

its really good which means you have to use it

[chilly brook]

It giga pumps your RP generation

[modern gazelle]

i couldnt get into UDK, FDK is just so much more fun

[crude notch]

I think Brew has the smoothest rotation.
I think PPal utility is sick.
I think Blood feels unstoppable when played right.
I think PWar has the meatest buttons to press.
I think Bear is fuzzy and psychopath CD.
I think VDH has sickest mobility.

[south zealot]

i would be perfectly content if bloods dnd was only for grip of the dead slow

[proper roost]

i dont think i agree with feeling like dnd is bad to press

[south zealot]

and didnt cleave heartstrikes and shattering bones wasnt a thing

[chilly brook]

Same

[proper roost]

it feels kinda good to press, its just kinda shitty that the cd doesnt match for 100% uptime

[round pendant]

It feels good to press, feels absolutely soul crushing having to move out of it

[dusky canopy]

For me BDK is just slow that’s why I don’t like it

The living everything part is cool

[proper roost]

you get used to the speed

[chilly brook]

People overstate how slow dk is

[modern gazelle]

the lack of mobility at all is part of what has kept me from playing it

[chilly brook]

It’s actually pretty mobile tbh

[proper roost]

its not a huge deal tbh deaths advance baseline is really huge

[chilly brook]

Was more mobile than old paladin

[dusky canopy]

I mean Ive played it

[south zealot]

jts definitely not mobile but i agree its overstated how immobile it is

[proper roost]

yeh i mean idk I lived with no deaths advance bdk for a really long time lmao

[crude notch]

Saying it's more mobile than the slowest spec ever is not an argument

[proper roost]

the only kinda awkward thing is if u have no bone shield and need to mount into a pack

youre kinda praying you dont get whacked

[dusky canopy]

Yeah that part bites

[modern gazelle]

was pally slower than warrior in classic?

[south zealot]

i think bdk being a juggernaut is cool

[chilly brook]

Kinda fixed now tho

[south zealot]

i dont mind its slow

[chilly brook]

Just deaths caress at the least

[proper roost]

well i mean u just drw the pull yeah but can be sorta awkward for initial threat

[crude notch]

Like it doesn't compete with PWar, VDH, or Monk in mobility so if you're used to playing those at all, BDK is undoubtedly a slog

[chilly brook]

Or pop dancing and get an instant 5

[proper roost]

compared to other tanks who can insta aoe threat (not vdh lmao)

[crude notch]

Bring back old bone shield

[dusky canopy]

For me honestly I think I just enjoy button mashing specs

BDK is more well planned button presses

[proper roost]

the bone shield thing isnt actually a big deal anymore, iirc it used to be 30s duration

so that is real pain

[crude notch]

No when I say old bone shield I mean it's own button

Lol

[proper roost]

and u can mount in almost every key now, or the ones you cant have real density

[modern gazelle]

make WW an ability that sucks all enemies into you as prot dont @ me xD

[proper roost]

i dont really feel like bdk slowness really matters in any key atm

that I can think of

[dusky canopy]

Please ion DO NOT make me press WW as a Prot warrior

Omg

[crude notch]

LMAO

[proper roost]

mostly just people not planning ahead the positioning well

That was a horrible sentence wtf

[toxic pewter]

Most annoying part of brewmaster is rushing jade wind

[modern gazelle]

anyone ever play albion?

[dusky canopy]

Maths on point

[modern gazelle]

i want WW to be like air compress

would be hilarious

only as prot though

[crude notch]

Rushing Jade wind? The talent that 99.9% shouldn't play because they suck?

[proper roost]

i just played bdk long enough that I am pretty used to preplanning plant locations for the dnd

so the movespeed thing kinda zero issue

[dusky canopy]

Whirlwind replaces thunderclap, also applies rend

[toxic pewter]

Yeah I just find it really annoying to keep up

[crude notch]

Then don't run it

[modern gazelle]

tbf it kind of makes more sense for ww to apply rend than thunderclap

just considering rend is a slicing type attack

[proper roost]

the reason why tc does is because

[crude notch]

The difference is so insignificant that most aren't supposed to run it

[modern gazelle]

not that i want it to, just would make more sense thematically

[proper roost]

someone thought of the phrase blood and thunder

[round pendant]

tbh why does prot even have whirlwind

[proper roost]

back in cata

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-exit-door-gif-15229894

[toxic pewter]

Just works well with certain talents though but yeah I guess it’s not worth running unless I have it up a lot

[jagged gust]

Am I right in saying never let a GCD go to waste? Or am I putting too much emphasis on Revenge in ST?

[hazy bronze]

Blood and thunder is from wc3

[round pendant]

wasting a gcd is losing dps

[proper roost]

and literally blood and thunder has been integral to prot and arms since cata

its not rly about making sense its just that its literally been that way for like 15 years

[crude notch]

It literally has one interaction with another talent and that's resonant fists

[toxic pewter]

Ya

Resonant fists

[crude notch]

One interaction

[toxic pewter]

And also exploding keg if I recall correctly

[crude notch]

No

[round pendant]

Revenge is good because spending rage procs shield slam brother

[crude notch]

You are recalling incorrectly

[jagged gust]

That was my thought but some tanks had me second guessing myself

[round pendant]

Which tanks

[toxic pewter]

I think it does proc the exploding keg damage

In the three second window

[proper roost]

spending rage also triggers anger management, which is good

[jagged gust]

some puggers

[round pendant]

CPM is one of the important metrics for how well you're playing prot war

revenge increases your SS CPM

[proper roost]

Revenge is good, just dont rage starve yourself if you know a big tankbuster is coming and you need to IP

[daring marlin]

Me either. GET OVER HERE.

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/face-keyboard-slam-angry-rage-gif-5303652

[proper roost]

or not shield block

[dusky canopy]

Proper CPM

[daring marlin]

Also slappyhands prekey is crazy.

[proper roost]

on occasion you will sit on prot gcds to plan for tankbusters

[jagged gust]

Nah I have zero rage gen issues, just a lot of self doubt lol

[daring marlin]

I find it bizarre that prekey slappers works.

[round pendant]

hm idk I never think about using IP or shield block

I maintain shieldblock and use IP to avoid overcapping

[daring marlin]

It's not a 3min cd.

[crude notch]

Pre-Incarn works for Bear but not cat.

[toxic pewter]

That’s all ego driven

You must kill your ego

[crude notch]

The prekey stuff is so janky

[waxen frigate]

What if I just kill myself

[proper roost]

god damn it all this is making me want to play bdk again

reeee

but i need to key on my shaman

[toxic pewter]

[proper roost]

aaaaaaaaaa

[jagged gust]

do shrooms while tanking, got it

[crude notch]

Nish is my favorite in this discord

[daring marlin]

just do it

bdk fun

[round pendant]

Show me yer wcl and show me these puggers that are making you doubt yourself king

[crude notch]

Wait that wasn't supposed to be a reply

[round pendant]

I'll tell you how they're wrong

[toxic pewter]

Only when you transcend the ego and realize there is no self can you truly become the greatest tank

[crude notch]

Please stfu apb

[toxic pewter]

Lol u mad

[proper roost]

Bdk is fun, but maintaining 3 characters isnt

[daring marlin]

True.

[south zealot]

what strain of shrooms did you take

[crude notch]

LMAO

[daring marlin]

It's why I'm barely playing lately

[toxic pewter]

It’s just basic Buddhism

[daring marlin]

badum tish

[jagged gust]

I love you and I appreciate you, but I'm not ready for that kind of exposure lmao

[south zealot]

the buddhist were on some good shit

[proper roost]

I know I can just hard raidlog both my characters but

feels really bad to do that idk

[crude notch]

Guilford playing bad specs what's new

[proper roost]

i just can't half ass playing a character

[jagged gust]

the devils dick is the only way to go

[round pendant]

Nothing to be embarrassed about my dude, it's just a videogame

I just wanna help

But yeah np

[crude notch]

No you don't

[south zealot]

hey yam

[crude notch]

You want to insult people

[south zealot]

help my heroic logs

[crude notch]

I've seen

[daring marlin]

Been me the past couple weeks

[jagged gust]

your words have encouraged me, and thats help enough brother

[daring marlin]

tuesday heroic clears for the vault

[round pendant]

go get em

[crude notch]

If I give you a kiss on the forehead will that help willy

[south zealot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/illidan/chocotwo

[crude notch]

Little head pat

[round pendant]

I haven't insulted anyone

[south zealot]

help me :3

[chilly brook]

I mean honestly I might pick up BrM if I don’t have to touch that button

[jagged gust]

It wouldn't hurt

[proper roost]

my version of half assing it was I did 8 keys on my warrior on tues/wed because I "need" 447 helm/chest

even tho its literally 2 slots away from 447+ everything

bad mental block

[south zealot]

450 shoulders from raid noob

[daring marlin]

lmao

[south zealot]

im like 4 pieces away from bis

[crude notch]

Imma run a full minimal buttons Brew next patch to see what it feels like

[round pendant]

I don't think you have anything to worry about, don't humble brag at me bitch

[south zealot]

LMFAO

[round pendant]

You're like at the same point/slightly better than me assuming I do as good as I did last season (haven't played fuck all this season)

[proper roost]

altho my shaman admittedly ive been hard raid logging even tho I really need to clean 22s on it on tyr

[round pendant]

I'm still like 427ilvl

[south zealot]

i just have good trinkets

[daring marlin]

? ? ?

[crude notch]

No bdb, no woo, no catue.

It'll make @waxen frigate mald

[proper roost]

Something about tyr week just really gives me the heebie jeebies on my shaman

i think i had a really bad uldaman one week and brain died

[crude notch]

Kanga teach me how to shaman

[waxen frigate]

I’m emotionally broken I’m not even capable of anger anymore

[crude notch]

Same

[proper roost]

i would love to

[round pendant]

Trinkets don't get you 98 parses alone, you need to have some idea of what you're doing

[proper roost]

i love talking about playing my shaman

[daring marlin]

yam I wasn't aware that you were ce last season

[south zealot]

shield slam on cd and dont overcap rage

prot is easy

[crude notch]

Yeah I saw you got a 91 parse basically washed

[round pendant]

? I was talking about his heroic logs like he asked

I don't mythic raid so no ce for me

[proper roost]

i got a rank 2 healing parse on mythic rashok last week

[waxen frigate]

Ya I failed my trial because I’m demotivated and didn’t do the prep I needed to

[daring marlin]

dude plays prot for laughs

[proper roost]

so that kinda owned

[waxen frigate]

[crude notch]

Wtf

[round pendant]

Hence why I told him not to humblebrag at me lol

[south zealot]

i like prot i just dont raid on it

just keys

[crude notch]

D:

Skyhold keys when

Guilford never wants to do keys with me

[jagged gust]

Holy shit my enh shaman went off about tyr entangling being the worst week of all time for almost an hour on wed, my guy rage quit after our healer couldn't keep him up through worm boss in NL

[south zealot]

i’m bad at living higher keys

[jagged gust]

Something about weeds and puddles melted his brain

[round pendant]

If someone's parsing the same/better than me they clearly don't need my help

[proper roost]

i'd always do keys with you

[proper roost]

does he know that thunderous paws clears entangling

and also he can take poison cleansing totem for worm boss

[jagged gust]

I mean I guess I'm gonna have to remind him then

[crude notch]

Whip him into shape

[south zealot]

or he can just not die

if ur a warrior healer has only 3 ppl to heal

[proper roost]

a lot of classes have an easy snare break for entangling

spriest can do every one with fade for ex

[jagged gust]

"Just not dying, it's not just advice for pugs anymore!"

[round pendant]

On one hand I'd like a guild to do mythic and higher keys with, but I can't be fucking bothered finding a decent guild

and I especially can't be bothered being obligated to play the game when I don't feel like it

I had a bad experience with a guild back in legion and it's put me off of that aspect of the game for the longest time

[toxic pewter]

I just join guild that offers guild repairs

[jagged gust]

My guild leader started selling gear to what the RL told us were test runs for applicants to the B group

But that was back in SWP, never quite got over it though

[round pendant]

Guilds just always have drama for no reason

I lost friends over that shit and it's the dumbest thing ever

[daring marlin]

It's usually loot related

lmao

[crude notch]

There's usually a reason.

[round pendant]

Loot tension is so fuckin stupid

[crude notch]

Bring back personal loot

[round pendant]

Fuck me, I missed out on that piece of gear that makes my number 0.1% bigger? better actually ruin my interpersonal relationships because of it!!

[proper roost]

jfc

I got a mild first degree burn while grilling on 4th of july

forgot I had the burn just now scratched my arm

and now I am in extreme pain bcs i just tore

the blisters so hard

Dying

ow

[daring marlin]

lol

[crude notch]

Rip kanga

[daring marlin]

just be a freak and don't burn

4head

[toxic pewter]

did u go to hospital

[crude notch]

Just don't burn when touching hot objects 4hed

Instead of the more logical 4hed of don't touch hot objects

[round pendant]

Well yeah there's always a reason but that doesn't mean the reason is good enough to justify creating rifts between people. The amount of mediation I did in that guild was nuts. Stupid people talking shit behind peoples back and shit like that, for NO reason other than enjoying gossip ig?

sadge cause the golden era of that time was so fun, I still miss it sometimes

[crude notch]

You mediating sounds like a disaster in itself

I joke I joke

[proper roost]

definitely do not mediate loot disputes as a nonofficer

it only leads to more shit flingin

[round pendant]

I was indeed an officer

[proper roost]

people picking sides

[toxic pewter]

less mediating, more meditating.. m i rite

[proper roost]

TRUE

wtf i agree with apb on everything now

[south zealot]

it seems like the more casual guilds ate more cliquey

are

[round pendant]

Joke or not it's a shitty thing to say 🤷‍♂️

[south zealot]

and i think that causes drama

[round pendant]

yeah 100%

[crude notch]

I'm gonna let you in on a little secret, people are gonna talk shit behind other people's backs no matter what. Real life, in a guild, on discords.

[daring marlin]

Raid to gear types, don't do shit outside of raid to prep

[crude notch]

I'm talking shit behind your guy's backs right now with Guilford

[round pendant]

In that guild, in which I was an officer and all the officers and GM were my friends, it was "us" and "the randoms". I wasn't a huge fan of it and would advocate for giving impactful members gear and stuff. I wasn't alone in that but when your GM + the guy he has a crush on are both greedy, then yaknow.

[crude notch]

In DMs

[jagged gust]

Your ex to the bi girl you both were in an open relationship with

[south zealot]

noone talks shit behind my back

[round pendant]

Surprise surprise I don't give a shit when it's people I don't care about. But people shouldn't gossip negatively about people who are supposed to be their friends.

[toxic pewter]

I do not talk badly about anyone in this life

except 1 person

myself.

[crude notch]

You literally did earlier wym

[toxic pewter]

oh

well this is awkward

[proper roost]

i've never talked about you guys behind your backs because I immediately purge discord from my mind when I'm not at work

🫡

[crude notch]

Based

[toxic pewter]

u will remember me later

[crude notch]

I don't talk about any of you because I don't care about any of you enough to talk about you

[toxic pewter]

i m very power full

[modern gazelle]

Do you guys not like master loot? A good system with master loot always felt nice

[round pendant]

It's nice if you're friends with the loot master :)

or if they're actually good at their job and aren't so biased

[modern gazelle]

Sign up ahead on what pieces you want to roll on, get 2-3 and no one else can roll on them if they didn’t sign up

[crude notch]

Master loot works perfect if your knees are good

[proper roost]

just be the best player in your raid and loot council owns (not ironic)

[round pendant]

Yeah

[south zealot]

in an ideal and fair situation a masterloot is the best

[proper roost]

also dont be a tank or a healer

[south zealot]

in a pug/casual guild personal loot is better

[proper roost]

for obvious reasons

[south zealot]

always be ready to be 5-15 ilvls below everyone else

[modern gazelle]

I never had issues with a spreadsheet for sign ups with master loot. Always felt fair

[crude notch]

What's a casual guild?

Anything lower than me is casual anything above me is tryhard

[proper roost]

or be in a very casual guild that thinks gearing tanks and healers owns, sometimes those exist but also highly unlikely those are MLing

i doubt u can call any guild that uses ML casual tbh

[modern gazelle]

Casual I’d say is raid once a week on normal and prog heroic MAYBE

[proper roost]

they are kinda tryharding a bit if theyre MLing

[south zealot]

i consider a casual guild any guild that doesnt actively try to improve, they just raid to have fun

[round pendant]

My guild killed Mythic Ursoc and then fell apart lmfao, definitely not hardcore and we used ML

[south zealot]

with exceptions ofc

[crude notch]

Improve their rankings?

So Liquid is a casual guild?

[south zealot]

not necessarily can just be to improve skill too

[crude notch]

R1 baby

[modern gazelle]

Anyone clearing heroic isn’t casual even if you can easily clear mythic just going off general population it’s clear casual isn’t above normal

[round pendant]

Heroic is doable as a casual guild easily, maybe not week 1 tho

[south zealot]

[modern gazelle]

I’d agree but people are bad. The bar for hardcore is surprisingly VERY low

Most CASUAL guilds won’t get AOTC

[crude notch]

Sounding like no agreeance this goes in the

• hard boss fights
• high keys

[round pendant]

guilds are worse than pugs?

how is that even possible

[modern gazelle]

Tbh yea lol

[round pendant]

unless they're literally not raiding

[crude notch]

There's plenty that are

[modern gazelle]

Pugs are pretty selective most of the time

[round pendant]

Saying that. I got booted out of a guild run cause I died on a boss. I went and cleared more with a pug group and then I checked that guilds prog a few days later and they never got past the boss they booted me on

Felt kinda satisfying ngl

[crude notch]

There's plenty of guilds that raid multiple nights a week that are worse than pugs

[modern gazelle]

Yeah I’ve been in guilds that couldn’t get 10 people on when it was meant to be a raiding guild

[crude notch]

Bubble living be damned most people don't even clear heroic in this game

[south zealot]

those are usually the mom and pop/husband and wife guilds

[round pendant]

Yeah like my friends guild who couldn't kill Heroic Eranog heheh

[proper roost]

well tbf if ur gonna say most players, I doubt most wow players actually raid

[south zealot]

whenever i joined those guild group pugs it was always a good time

[proper roost]

as in a straight majority of active accounts

[modern gazelle]

They don’t lol like not even LFR

[round pendant]

I was enjoying the one I was in until I got booted for one fucking mistake

[modern gazelle]

True casuals are scared to do m0 dungeons

[south zealot]

dont make mistakes nerd

i never do

[round pendant]

It makes no sense how they'd boot me for one mistake meanwhile be unable to clear it themselves (probably cause they're all making tons of mistakes)

[south zealot]

(dont ask about rashok or zskarn)

[round pendant]

It's just because I'm not IN with them

[proper roost]

i'd be kinda curious what % of people that have the normal aberrus achiev also have aotc though. that could be an interesting statistic

[south zealot]

you can look it up

[crude notch]

Well there's no way of checking how many guilds raid but don't clear heroic.

[south zealot]

theres a couple websites

[proper roost]

why would I when I could just ask the stat person

@crude notch stats please

[crude notch]

LMAO

[south zealot]

my life is better than yalls

im eating mcnuggets

[crude notch]

I hate that you know I'd try to find out

[toxic pewter]

i downed 20 mcnuggies last night

wat ur go to sauce

[crude notch]

We'll count only wcl guilds

[proper roost]

dangit

[round pendant]

wow I got #1 on a +9 key lmao

[crude notch]

are you serious right now?

[round pendant]

I love being #1 in the shit brackets

[proper roost]

Why would you log and upload a +9

[round pendant]

I log and upload everything

[daring marlin]

Until you private it

😉

[proper roost]

This is a certified yogi moment

[crude notch]

There's some days where i swear half the accounts are just yogi alts

[round pendant]

I unprivated it!!

[crude notch]

wow

[round pendant]

There's plenty of embarrassing shit I've done in my logs

[crude notch]

i might be wrong

[round pendant]

like dying to flaming slash

and earthen crush

or whatever it's called

[modern gazelle]

Do people still goblin in this game? Feel like with the AH changes it’s way harder to make millions like you could before

[round pendant]

Pretty sure they do

Money making seems so sad in this game nowadays tho, gotta play for 12 hours a day to afford a token

unless it's fresh new content where the ores are worth like 1k each

I'm still sustaining off of the 400k or so I made in the first month

[waxen frigate]

They do

[rancid ember]

Selling keys is much faster xd

[daring marlin]

I need to do keys tonight to bump my dks ilvl

[modern gazelle]

Feel like the only good money maker is just Carrie’s

[daring marlin]

That way I can pug lolroic

[round pendant]

I used to sell key boosts in legion, was big money

[daring marlin]

422 should be enough but alas

[waxen frigate]

Yall don’t know about the crafting cartels?

[proper roost]

AH goblin will always generate much more gold than selling carries, just have to do it right. it just snowballs much harder than carries

[waxen frigate]

I sound like I’m shitposting but I’m not

[crude notch]

@proper roost

Just based on logs:
12,411 Guilds have killed N Kazz.
11,565 Guilds have killed N Sark.

11,850 Guilds have killed H Kazz.
8,604 Guilds have killed H Sark.

4636 Guilds have killed M Kazz.
306 Guilds have killed M Sark

[modern gazelle]

I just wonder what they are doing with the AH cause it’s so shit for selling now

Can’t really do a lot of the old tricks

[crude notch]

The people that are multiboxing crafting professions

[waxen frigate]

There are people who do nothing but the auction house

That is the game for them

[south zealot]

no shot only 306 have killed sark

seems fake

[waxen frigate]

?

[crude notch]

?

[waxen frigate]

HoF closed 3 days ago

[proper roost]

those are interesting stats

I wonder how many nonguild raids happen tho

[south zealot]

i thought i remember seeing 340 like last week

[waxen frigate]

Wait 10 days ago

[crude notch]

It's 321 according to R.IO. But if you look at my opening caveat

"BASED ON LOGS"

So private logging wouldn't show up

[south zealot]

i dont reed

read

[proper roost]

do you whistle?

Heck too slow

[south zealot]

lol

next time

[waxen frigate]

Based? Based on what

[modern gazelle]

Interesting that N sark and H kaz numbers are comparable but H saei and M kaz aren’t. Likely due to the player requirement

[south zealot]

based on dn

[proper roost]

thats pretty normal

[crude notch]

a lot of guilds are also get aotc and stop

[proper roost]

mythic raid population just isnt that high

organized raiding with 20 always is much harder to put together than 10 friends who aotc

[waxen frigate]

DN?

[south zealot]

[round pendant]

Pugs can usually get a couple mythic bosses down for their vault

[modern gazelle]

I just think without the player requirements more guilds would try to clear first few mythic at least

[round pendant]

so that's most of those kazz kills

[modern gazelle]

If you can clear H dark you can do M kazz

[crude notch]

There's a lot of guilds stuck on M Experiments.

[round pendant]

The reason hardly anyone but the most sweatiest guilds attempt mythic is because the lockout system is stupid

[crude notch]

Okay idk about calling anyone doing mythic sweaty

[south zealot]

first boss in the raid that requires some coordination and effectively requires priests

[proper roost]

yeah I sweat a normal amount and not excessively

Rude

[round pendant]

People would happily bang their head against the wall in pugs for weeks if you could actually pug it

[round pendant]

Comparatively, to the rest of the playerbase

[south zealot]

i did 100 pulls on heroic rasz in pugs

[round pendant]

I forget how many pulls it took me

[proper roost]

Powerful

[crude notch]

You can pug mythic

Mythic Kazz is a joke

[waxen frigate]

Was it worth it

[round pendant]

You can't pug the entire raid

[south zealot]

yeah i had fun

[round pendant]

Theoretically you can pug the entire raid

In practice you can't

[waxen frigate]

Theoretically pugs cant breathe properly

[crude notch]

In practice you can most certainly down 3/9

[round pendant]

Quite far off "the entire raid"

[crude notch]

Who said anything about the entire raid

[round pendant]

I should have specified that I meant "attempt to clear mythic" rather than just getting some mythic kills

[south zealot]

you shouldnt be able to pug ce

[sick sentinel]

last place conirm

[crude notch]

I don't think you should be allowed to pug full mythic

that's idiotic

[sick sentinel]

its over boys

[crude notch]

Anyone that thinks that should seek immediate help

[south zealot]

yes mythic needs to remain difficult

common jordan W

[round pendant]

Bruh, heroic raz wasn't even a hard fight and it still took pugs forever to get kills on it consistently

[south zealot]

yes it was a hard fight

[modern gazelle]

Please god no. If it becomes so easy you can pug mythic why even play? Just let an AI control the game while you watch at that point

[round pendant]

Do you really think just because you COULD attempt mythic bosses in pugs that would mean everyone and their grans getting CE?

[proper roost]

idk if someone who hasnt actually raided mythic in a bit's opinion on how mythic raid should be is super relevant to be perfectly honest with u

[south zealot]

for a heroic boss it was hard

[sick sentinel]

pugging mythic raid is instruction a monkey to do a james bond mission where he paraglides on a train, clears it and difuses a bomb

[proper roost]

its kind of ok that mythic raid is kind of restrictive, theres plenty of other skillcheck content to do

[sick sentinel]

it will just never work

[modern gazelle]

The only issue I have with mythic is how hard it is to get 20 people together

[round pendant]

my point was just that's why the majority of the playerbase doesn't play mythic, because they literally can't

[modern gazelle]

Like that’s such a high barrier of entry

[sick sentinel]

i was playing that iron dock dungeon today in timewalking and its all i can think about now

[proper roost]

[round pendant]

It's borderline impossible nowadays to get 20 likeminded people who will consistently show up

[crude notch]

I think the gate is more what dawn is saying than them just flat out not being able to

[round pendant]

:(

[modern gazelle]

Idc if the raid is impossible so long as I can attempt it. But finding 20 people who can log the same time and prog mythic is aids

[proper roost]

how do even respond to this. theres many good reasons m raid size is restrictive lol

[modern gazelle]

Let alone being a tank and you only have 2 slots available

[south zealot]

varying mythic raid size is bad

[crude notch]

Yeah it shouldn't be flex

[modern gazelle]

I don’t want flex

[south zealot]

you csnt balance every number of players equally

[sick sentinel]

huge battle sizes work in battlefield, where its supposed to be chaotic as hell and everyones randomly dying to stupid stuff

[modern gazelle]

But that’s why I like the idea of 10 man raid balance

[sick sentinel]

doesn't work so well when you got rpg rotations

[modern gazelle]

It would allow more people to attempt mythic without having to take away from it being hard

[crude notch]

I don't think 10 is the appropriate number either though. I think 15 is the sweet spot, don't at me.

[modern gazelle]

Flex mythic is def bad though

[round pendant]

I'm saying they can't because of those restrictions, be it system restrictions (lockouts) or social ones (making a guild), more people would be attempting more mythic bosses if it was puggable, I doubt the amount of actual CE achievements would increase much even still

[south zealot]

feel like 10 is too low

[modern gazelle]

Anything less than 20 ffs lol

[proper roost]

ye 15m is goated

but prob wont ever happen

[south zealot]

im perfectly fine with it being 20

especially with how many raid buffs and shit u need

[proper roost]

less people always just too much risk of too easy to coordinate

[modern gazelle]

Idc what it is but 20 is rough. Especially as a tank trying to find a spot. Just sucks :/ skill wise I’m sure I could handle it. But the barrier of entry to get into a raid is impossible lol

[round pendant]

there's still only 2 tanks regardless of the number of people tho?

[crude notch]

It would increase the number of CE, imo. Exposing more people to Mythic raiding could actually have quite the positive impact of getting people realizing it's something they enjoy.

[modern gazelle]

Yes, but 10 people means 4 tanks for 20 people

[crude notch]

Do you know how percentages work?

[modern gazelle]

So you double how many tanks are needed

[round pendant]

Then is it not a good thing to allow pugging? or do you want to gatekeep CE for some reason

[sick sentinel]

like, what if there is a raid LFR you can qeue into from lvl 20-40 and its just like an extremely basic raid with not alot of threats going on

and its only good loot for those players

[crude notch]

I'm fine with pugging, I've literally done it two weeks in a row, but no CE should not be puggable. Unless it's a steady group of like 15 people that pug 5 a week.

[sick sentinel]

you don't even get to really know what a raid is until you hit max level unless you do pvp

[round pendant]

Yeah but I don't think people would be getting CE IN pugs, maybe it'd motivate more people to get in guilds and actually go for the kill

[crude notch]

yeah

that's what i'm saying

or starting guilds

[sick sentinel]

it can't be overly hard

[round pendant]

Yeah, so what's the argument against removing the raid id lockouts?

[south zealot]

cutting edge is supposed to be hard

[round pendant]

Because we seem to both agree it wouldn't let people pug CE

but it would result in more CE via people enjoying it and making guilds

[south zealot]

its the final raid achievement

[crude notch]

stop making arguments up in your head

[round pendant]

Is that not what you were arguing against?

[crude notch]

you're unironically

[round pendant]

I said the lockouts prevent people from trying mythic

[crude notch]

making an argument up in your head

[south zealot]

i think raid lockouts staying as they are until hof closes is the bedt thing u csn do

[round pendant]

aaaand now you're gaslighting me

poggers

[south zealot]

can

[crude notch]

I'm not gaslighting you

You're literally making shit up

[round pendant]

That's what a gaslighter would say

[south zealot]

LMFAOOO

[crude notch]

I never said lockouts weren't preventing people from trying mythic.

[proper roost]

tbh I just scrolled on recruitment discord and found like 15 guilds in 2 minutes recruiting a tank slot

[round pendant]

But do you think after hof ends it would be fair to let people just make groups for mythic like they can for heroic? (not locking to the owner of the instance)

[proper roost]

on all different timeslots

[hazy bronze]

@sick sentinel did you have lunch yet?

[proper roost]

so not really sure its that hard tbh esp if ur new and just need to join a 4/9 guild (almost all of them are 4/9 lmao)

[crude notch]

The biggest gate to mythic raiding is that we're all a bunch of nerds with social disorders so we have a problem with branching out.

[proper roost]

lot of 2/9 guilds recruiting tanks too

[sick sentinel]

its complicated

more often than not

[crude notch]

yogi don't you dare try to say you don't have any social issues

I'll rope myself right now

[proper roost]

Yogi is normal and we're the weird ones

[crude notch]

[south zealot]

am i normal :3

[round pendant]

Considering you said this in regards to me saying puggers should be able to attempt the raid (as I clarified I meant the whole raid, not just getting a couple kills), then yes, you were arguing for lockouts.

I never once advocated for nerfing mythic

[crude notch]

That isn't arguing for lockouts

[proper roost]

for serious though my shaman needs 20 tyrs this week so i can push over 2900, jordan can u help me

[crude notch]

I meant from a difficulty perspective

[round pendant]

Then it sounds like we're arguing about something we both agree on lmao

because I was only ever talking about lockouts preventing people from TRYING the content

which is why people don't do it

[crude notch]

And I'm pretty sure everyone knew what I meant when I said that except you apparently

[sick sentinel]

i dunno much of anything, i just figure universe is infinitely more stupidly and needlessl;y complex than needs to be

[modern gazelle]

You know what would be sick

[crude notch]

So now you're gaslighting me

[proper roost]

donowalled

[round pendant]

If you say so bud

[crude notch]

Dusk

I'm not your bud pal

[modern gazelle]

If they had the ability/staff to add new abilities to mobs and dungeon bosses for m+ difficulty

[toxic pewter]

I’m not your pal friend

[modern gazelle]

Instead of just the affixes and stat buffs

[round pendant]

They do, check out VP vs old VP

[modern gazelle]

That way it doesn’t reach a point of impossibility

[crude notch]

There's always going to be a difficulty cap just from how scaling works

[south zealot]

they do

remember temple of jade

[crude notch]

Unless you're ssaying keep adding more abilities

but even then

[round pendant]

This is literally not what I was saying so you just made some irrelevant statement for some reason?

I assumed you were saying something relevant

my mistake

[crude notch]

Nothing ever said in a discord about a video game is relevant

[round pendant]

I keep forgetting you're a schizo

[proper roost]

you know what this is reminding me of

[crude notch]

So you played yourself

[proper roost]

when I was "trying" to get a job at 18 while i was at college and was complaining to my dad that nowhere would hire me

and then he asked did u apply anywhere and I said literally one place (that I didn't have the qualifications for)

[crude notch]

nice

[modern gazelle]

Meanwhile my dad was like “go in person, show them your face”

You gl in person and they say to apply online lmao

[round pendant]

shit when did it become the 1960s again

[sick sentinel]

i got put into stasis last time i ran a key

[crude notch]

please don't show your face to anyone

[sick sentinel]

haven't wanted to do anything since

[crude notch]

jkjk

[proper roost]

well I mean idk if u guys are the self awareness what im pointing out is its a lot easier to get in mythic guilds than u guys think

[crude notch]

i love your face dawn

[proper roost]

like 2/9 4/9m guilds are desperately recruiting rn

[crude notch]

they don't

[proper roost]

they are hanging on for dear life god bless them

[modern gazelle]

Idk but when I was applying originally my family was out of touch with what it’s like lmao

[sick sentinel]

i was going to push that night and it killed it for me

[round pendant]

There's a lot more to it than just how hard it is to get in the guild. Pugging you can do whenever for as long as you want whereas guilds are scheduled. That's the biggest barrier for me

[crude notch]

the only pwar question weve got since ive been awake is the guy yam was a dick to

and that was 4 hours ago

[modern gazelle]

Not true

[daring marlin]

I'd mythic raid but setting aside X amount of time for a video game isn't a priority for me anymore.

[proper roost]

ok then organized scheduled raiding isnt for u and trying to change it to be, at the detriment of everyone who likes organized scheduling raiding (aka literally everyone mythic raiding rn), is weird isnt it

[daring marlin]

I log on when I do and that's that.

[modern gazelle]

I asked about any pwar changes I need to know and asked about team utility

[south zealot]

yall dont raid all day everyday when the patch drops?

losers

[round pendant]

Same here, which would mean it'd be nice if I could throw multiple attempts at different mythic bosses during the week when I have the time

[modern gazelle]

Also someone asked about how to survive spiked tongue

[round pendant]

but yknow, they're never gonna change that

[crude notch]

If you're not day raiding week one, you're a casual

[waxen frigate]

My parents did the same shit

[south zealot]

dont u just run away

[waxen frigate]

Like no I cannot just walk in anywhere and ask for a job

The people who will hire me don’t even work at that location

[crude notch]

If the job you're applying for still hands out paper applications, you shouldn't be applying

[modern gazelle]

Yeah but they didn’t know about puddles I don’t think or egg spot

[proper roost]

Man I fucking suck at metaphors

[waxen frigate]

My current employer has never seen my face

[proper roost]

theyre just running away with this one

[crude notch]

you've nailed every metaphor today kanga

[proper roost]

the lesson has been thoroughly missed

Sigh

[crude notch]

we're just dumb

[waxen frigate]

And is based in another state

[proper roost]

Maybe I shoulda gone back to apples

[round pendant]

Asking if his question is serious isn't being a dick when there's history of people posting their braindead talents as bait/jokes. And like I said man I would have said sorry if he didn't immediately say weird shit

also considering the context was "how much is this griefing" then it seemed like a joke

[crude notch]

you seem like a joke

[modern gazelle]

Mostly my dad and grandparents. They are so out of touch with the job market lol

[proper roost]

guilford can you tank 20s for my shaman later today

jordan is donowalling me

[crude notch]

i would never

[waxen frigate]

Neither of my parents have worked a 9-5 in the entire time I’ve been alive but they are very adamant they know all about how it works

[proper roost]

Somebody please I need a tank

[crude notch]

i don't tank anymore

i'm retired

i'm a rsham main

[proper roost]

sorry for your loss

[waxen frigate]

Did someone say loss

[crude notch]

it's no longer meta, so i can play it

and bear is becoming meta, so i can't play it

[daring marlin]

got a 23 vp if you wanna heal that

[proper roost]

ok slow ur roll big daddy the highest key I've been carried through is a 22 fort ur

[modern gazelle]

Rsham is lit. I love having them heal

[crude notch]

i haven't done any serious rsham since SoO

[modern gazelle]

Also Rsham is just coolest healer to me

[crude notch]

same

[south zealot]

no healer is coop

cool

[proper roost]

true

[crude notch]

what's worse

4 dps or 2 tank?

[south zealot]

what

[proper roost]

2 tank

is it being done anywhere except fh

surely not right

[crude notch]

nah just fh

for harlan tech

[proper roost]

i mean that one is really easy to fix

[crude notch]

reduce range on cannon ye

[twin bramble]

Could anyone please help explain how they kite the custodians in ulda? Feel like I’m missing something and doing something wrong and it’s the last portal I’m missing.

[proper roost]

if they're actually doing 4 dps again even with the ag/ve nerfs its kinda like

sheesh

[crude notch]

oh are you still using annulet for damage with patch on rsham?

[south zealot]

just walk back

[twin bramble]

Where?

Into bromachs room?

Or in circles around pillar room? I keep doing that but they always get a few bleeds on me

[south zealot]

i just walk doen thr stairs and leap through them if i run out of space

[night scroll]

Can also stun them btw more damage

[twin bramble]

Yeah. I ask the group to keep stunning them but they are never groups and take forever to die

[crude notch]

you can micro kite them in a circle and be fine

[night scroll]

Just move only on cast, I guess, so you dont kite them all over the place

[daring marlin]

warrior moment

[proper roost]

Naw just switching to stat ring entirely for keys

[twin bramble]

Maybe that’s it. I run like a chicken with my head cut off. When casting rending slash?

[night scroll]

Enough time to move away also you have shockwave so if you feel like you need to stun go for it

Probably why

XD

[proper roost]

the aura damage buff for rsham should actually be really decent for keys i think

[daring marlin]

all the homies love 1400 secondary stats

[proper roost]

it will be overall worse than before but also healer dps this season is kind of a meme anyway

[daring marlin]

still need a sick ring on my pally

Maybe vp one 👀

[proper roost]

i have a socketed vers mast 441 but

might have to craft a ring instead next week

dogshit stats for resto

[daring marlin]

My other ring is UR one

But it's champ track

[twin bramble]

*jagged bite

[south zealot]

i have 447 and 450 rings

[crude notch]

are you crit/vers gang kanga?

[south zealot]

beat that noobs

[proper roost]

ye crit vers everything

[daring marlin]

socket stays winning for it

[proper roost]

Just enough haste from tier

[south zealot]

sockets are op

[daring marlin]

muh ilvl tho

stupid sexy sockets

[proper roost]

i just wish you could tertiary gear

i would even accept random rolling which tertiary it is (would be super bad feeling but w/e)

[crude notch]

they should add tertiary thingies to the dubloon guy

[hazy bronze]

You can with enchanting :pepega:

[proper roost]

literally 2 more weeks and my warrior is entirely done w vault anyway

[toxic pewter]

just ate like 3 pounds of chipotle

[daring marlin]

Everything would be speed

[toxic pewter]

feel drunk rn off food

ask me anythin

[crude notch]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-i-am-speed-lightning-mcqueen-cars-meme-gif-14031708

[proper roost]

until M echo kill ig

[daring marlin]

so you had 2.5lbs of rice and beans

sick bro!!!

[toxic pewter]

LOL basically

[daring marlin]

actually, I love chipotle

[crude notch]

rice and beans is good.

[toxic pewter]

its so good

their guac is so good

[daring marlin]

I don't get guac. If I get a burrito it's already around 1400 calories.

[toxic pewter]

yah the guac is def no neceassary

i just had a free guac i dont usually pay for it

[crude notch]

i do a bowl

[daring marlin]

I will admit it's good tho

[toxic pewter]

ya i do bowl and tortilla on side

[south zealot]

chipotle is for nerds

[toxic pewter]

i mean yeah im a nerd

🤓

[crude notch]

imagine not being a nerd in 2023

[daring marlin]

we almost done

[toxic pewter]

i used to track my food intake and go out side

it was glorious

feels like another lifetime ago

i wasnt always like this

fellow sams club member i see

woot woot

[daring marlin]

yes

Until the costco opens next month

[toxic pewter]

i like near one so i am member

oh nice yeah costco better at end of day but even sams has stuff they dont

[daring marlin]

Gonna give them a shot for a year

[toxic pewter]

and vice versa

[daring marlin]

Sam's been good to me the past 4 at least

[toxic pewter]

ya i actually like sams