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strong forum
warm plinth
❤️
dusky canopy
That man’s going to be replacing keyboards left and right after all the buffs
south zealot
jokes on the game i wasnt using annulet anyway
toxic pewter
vocal verge
Yeah f annulet. Going to be getting close to 120k overalls next week. It’s going to be great.
jolly crystal
You know what...I like these patch notes
uneven mason
Doesn't that just basically balance out the loss of annulet
warm plinth
That's the purpose of it, yes
vocal verge
If you’re not using it though then it’s a decent buff. It falls off past 3 targets I think and in dungeons that is most of the time. Also have to be high ilvl.
sick sentinel
helps players who can correctly hit buttons in correct order at right times more
i can press buttons and kill things, but often i am spray and pray, auto attack it to death, button masher
toxic pewter
I’m gonna keep using annulet
sick sentinel
not so good at the hitting them in the right order, basically
warm plinth
i can press buttons and kill things, but often i am spray and pray, auto attack ...
You, a button masher? No way! XD
sick sentinel
i come from doom and the likes where the main things to do are WASD your self to keys and door and pick up and shoot certian guns certain times
only worry about use, move, shoot, look, and reaction.
warm plinth
I just watched Doom this morning
sick sentinel
that was a shitty slasher movie stuck in outer space
warm plinth
I like it
sick sentinel
and, the only threats was a couple of zombies and an imp or 2 and like a pinky demon, i want to see them re-do the doom movie and do it right
uneven mason
i come from doom and the likes where the main things to do are WASD your self to...
I come from doom where you used ctrl to strafe and alt to fire
sick sentinel
keyboard doom is only a myth
warm plinth
I never played Doom so I just enjoyed the movie on its own merit
sick sentinel
its in the manual that you should attempt to use both mouse and keyboard for a better experience
you CAN do it, but you dont want to
warm plinth
It's like those psychos who play Dark Souls w/ keyboard and mouse
daring marlin
that was a shitty slasher movie stuck in outer space
Better have Dwayne Johnson in it again if they did.
😉
uneven mason
I found it easier to use just the numpad arrow and ctrl alt
uneven mason
keyboard doom is only a myth
I can assure you that it is not
sick sentinel
they need a god damn caco demon, and tons of lost sou ls
all kinds of firey hell shit, a cyber demon and a spider mastermind
warm plinth
Tbf there was no mention of demons or even a real attempt at making them demons in the movie
They were just mutated people
and animals
daring marlin
It's like those psychos who play Dark Souls w/ keyboard and mouse
Do ya one better. I have a buddy that plays fighting games on a keyboard.
uneven mason
Mice in 92 were suss, had to clear the lint off those rollers
warm plinth
Like 3D fighting games?
daring marlin
street fighter and such
daring marlin
pretty weird to me idk lol
sick sentinel
Like 3D fighting games?
i had this game as a kid for pc
it was shitty but good enough
uneven mason
I remember getting a PC emulator for the Saturn and trying to play fighters megamix on a kB was painful
warm plinth
I played Tekken for the first time on a Sega CD 
sick sentinel
this game is actually so fucking good
warm plinth
or Saturn, idr. Same difference
warm plinth
I played a lot of Street Fighter and Clay Fighter as a kid
I was never any good at either of them though
uneven mason
or Saturn, idr. Same difference
PlayStation
warm plinth
It was probably Virtua Fighter tbh. I couldn't tell the difference between those two anyway
uneven mason
Tekken one was a Sony exclusive
uneven mason
It was probably Virtua Fighter tbh. I couldn't tell the difference between thos...
Tekken was the shitty one
warm plinth
I could tell the difference between those and DoA though because DoA had gratuitous boob bouncing
Which I always found the physics of to be hilarious
sick sentinel
uneven mason
Virtua fighter 2 top 3 fighting games of all time
sick sentinel
great music from that game, on the robots level
warm plinth
The most banger songs of my youth were casino night and chemical plant music
sick sentinel
way too many to choose for me
warm plinth
And the most tragic sound of my childhood was "More Like a Bridge Too Fur"
uneven mason
Doom soundtrack
sick sentinel
Let's not forget the best pause music of all time
opinion invalid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7nu5tb4UVU
uneven mason
Daniel Tidwell's metal covers of video game music is a "please keep messing with my childhood"
warm plinth
Yogi I just want to be honest with you
I have never clicked on a single one of your video links
sick sentinel
"This can't be good for me.... but I feel great!....... okay..... get some milk..... now where the hell is THAT?"
uneven mason
sick sentinel
"Would you like to sign my petition?"
sick sentinel
I have never clicked on a single one of your video links
nw, is okay
cinder nova
Do ya one better. I have a buddy that plays fighting games on a keyboard.
??? neither of these are that hard.
I mean, a gamepad and stick > kb & mouse every day of the week, but FromSoft titles aren't that bad on them
sick sentinel
i don't need to beat dark souls
cinder nova
The only real dogshit is DS1
sick sentinel
because i already beeat video games that were dark souls before dark souls
cinder nova
The PC port was TERRIBLE on so many levels.
daring marlin
??? neither of these are that hard.
kb/m fighting games is fucking otherworldly to me
cinder nova
Controls included. DS2 and onward were very good with keyboard control.
sick sentinel
i have beaten video games so ancient and shitty that i am able to give civvie 11 idea for videos
cinder nova
Zork?
sick sentinel
dusky canopy
souls games on an xbox controller here
sick sentinel
i got him to play this steaming pile of goat shit
daring marlin
Always play souls games on ps controller
cinder nova
Zork is probably one of the hardest games I've had blind, mostly because it's not a game about reflexes and skill, but slow, methodical, calculating, involves a lot of mapping, thinking, plotting, and some choices can brick the entire playthrough.
I encourage anyone playing Zork to just have a quicksave tool set aside to be able to undo blind options that rawdog you, but not rely on it too heavily.
warm plinth
Controls included. DS2 and onward were very good with keyboard control.
DS2 is not a real Dark Souls game
Can't change my mind
sick sentinel
i don't need to beat a souls game
daring marlin
sure it is
cinder nova
Better PVP than 3 and Elden
sick sentinel
i have asecended beyond it
daring marlin
Only stupid part about 2 was soul memory
cinder nova
DS3 is all invuln frame cheese and metasweat
warm plinth
Idk how anyone enjoys Dark Souls PvP anyway
warm plinth
The lag is atrocious
cinder nova
I rarely had lag issues tbh
daring marlin
I started with 2 so might be why I like it
warm plinth
Idk the few times I've been invaded, I get shit like getting backstabbed from 20 yards away
cinder nova
That's because you're being invaded in the open, and probably doubly so that your region isn't locked if you hadn't set it.
Fight clubs at the bridge near the Iron King's Castle was peak
I only played cestus/bonefist with fashionsouls as my getup
It was fun to blindside people with the kamehameha
And the running kicks were some pretty good jukes
daring marlin
3 was most fun pvp wise for me
cinder nova
I really enjoy DS2 because they weren't afraid to make unarmed weapons good
Every other title makes them actual shit
Bone fist stance-dancing and cestus parrry was my antidrug
daring marlin
Trolling the swamp was the best time in 3.
warm plinth
I rarely had lag issues tbh
cinder nova
I liked 3 PVP and I'm glad they leaned into it with the duel system, but it's all just gigacheese. So much GW frame crutches
It annoyed me so much I made a build explicitly to just kill GW users slowly and agonizingly at a range through annoying chip.
warm plinth
This is the shit that happened literally every time I tried to PvP
daring marlin
I never had that experience tbh
cinder nova
Where are you
daring marlin
unlucky
cinder nova
That might be why
warm plinth
What do you mean? Like geographically?
cinder nova
Yes
warm plinth
Central US
daring marlin
You're gonna hate this, S. But I was that guy cheesing infinite poise one-shotting people with sunlight spears.
warm plinth
Yeah I tried to enjoy PvP at least a dozen times and it was just always bullshit like that
cinder nova
sidenote
warm plinth
My favorite thing that I did in DS3 though is my buddy and I did an entire co-op playthrough (which was essentially two playthroughs) as Ornstein and Smough on NG++
cinder nova
People who think it's dishonorable to attack while your foe buffs
Are actual smoothbrains
warm plinth
But it took us 18 centuries to kill Midir because my friend sucks ass at that fight
cinder nova
It's like waiting politely for a druid to hot up his team instead of going in
warm plinth
And she has so much HP in co-op
cinder nova
Pretty sure midir's a dude
warm plinth
w/e
cinder nova
Lots of DR too
warm plinth
Yeah and I was Smough so I was slow as fuck
daring marlin
I killed him first time with lightning arrow
Took all my mana estus
prolly didn't help it was ng+7 my first time through it
daring marlin
It's fun to overcome a solo challenge.
warm plinth
Idk, DS being hard is kind of a meme. It's a steep learning curve but once you get the hang of it, it's quite easy
daring marlin
Idk, DS being hard is kind of a meme. It's a steep learning curve but once you ...
precisely
warm plinth
Like DS1 especially, it got to the point where I was doing playthroughs with shit weapons with no armor on NG+6
daring marlin
The knowledge translates well into other souls games too
less so bloodborne as it's more of backdashing than rolling
warm plinth
I started out on DS3 so going from DS3 parrying to DS1 parrying was like, fucking lol
dusky canopy
oh yeah ds3 is way more challenging than ds1 imo
warm plinth
Tbh I still haven't played much of Elden Ring
daring marlin
I put a couple hundred hours
warm plinth
I died to the first story boss a couple times and killed the forest sentinel but that's about it
warm plinth
Yeah the adapting to what you're doing was insaaaaane
Plus tbh I probably went to him way too early
He was basically 1-shotting me with everything
daring marlin
I'll prolly dump another couple hundred hours in it when the dlc drops
sick sentinel
what i would do is i would get frustrated
and then i would find some easy to kill monster and kill it over and over and level up
chilly brook
I barely touched Elden Ring
not that I wasn't interested or that it wasn't fun but:
- just didn't have a huge amount of desire
- I literally just don't know what I want to build
lusty grotto
Margit was uh much different lol
delayed attacks was def a learning curve
since i always play parry main that was kind of a wakeup call
malenia was also fun to learn
but the one boss i fucking hate from that game
was the dumb shitter that shoots blood + fire
i forget the name
the pedo guy
in the blood realm
daring marlin
Mohg
lusty grotto
that motherfucker
lusty grotto
fuck that fight
daring marlin
music gr8
dusky canopy
I swapped to bleed build once i got to malenia
lusty grotto
music was great not gonna lie
dusky canopy
smoked her with bleed build
lusty grotto
let me see what i used, i think i recorded it
sick sentinel
dusky canopy
for me final boss was way way harder than malenia
sick sentinel
AM WARRIOR
lusty grotto
OH LOL i bloodhound stepped malenia
lusty grotto
idk i found last boss easy
lusty grotto
I swapped to bleed build once i got to malenia
yeah so i bloodhound stepped freeze+bleed build her
sick sentinel
top 6% club, top %4 if i include secret achieeve
lusty grotto
i didnt use the freeze bomb
dusky canopy
I ran the thing where youd stab yourself in the gut to gain insane bleed build up and stacked that with other bleed damage items
pretty sure got to p2 in under 10 seconds
and p2 itself was roughly 30
sick sentinel
i dont remember if this game has summons or if i used them
sick sentinel
ya but can you finish the campaigns of call of duty on veteran tho?
sick sentinel
COD4 veteran, the pripryat mission,
daring marlin
ya but can you finish the campaigns of call of duty on veteran tho?
sure did
sick sentinel
they sapmmed 9 billion fuckin grenades, so even camping AF i still lost
lusty grotto
yogi there's not an SP game ive played that i didnt instantly put in the hardest setting
warm plinth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGIL9j0PZbg
what I've learned from this is you're an attack spammer
lusty grotto
what I've learned from this is you're an attack spammer <:keks:93623161085089799...
Bloodbourne fucking did things to my head man
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyvVPtFOcsA this and the final missions of some of the cods are so god damn nuts
WERE OUT OF TIME, TELL US WHAT THE NUMBERS MEAN NOW
lusty grotto
theyre not even comparable yogi
sick sentinel
WERE ON THE BRINK OF NUCLERA WAR
lusty grotto
FPS single players are fucking easy
sick sentinel
depends on the mission lol
lusty grotto
no it doesnt depend
i grew up on quake and cs 1.5
1.3 even
there's not a single FPS single player that is hard to me
sick sentinel
im slightly above average at shooters overall
lusty grotto
now RTSes
dusky canopy
some halo 3 missions with all skulls on is quite difficult
lusty grotto
i fucking absolutely SUCK at them
dusky canopy
atleast thats how i remember it anyhow
bro nim watching youre clip makes me want to do a new play through
kinda want to but kinda want to just wait for dlc
lusty grotto
yeah hope that comes out soon
idk if im gonna play armored core tbh
im thinking about it
dusky canopy
maybe like 1 month before new dlc launch
ill start fresh
re prog the game with all the new balance
sick sentinel
what no
dusky canopy
i dont think ill do bleed this time though i think ill make myself stick to big weapon smash
sick sentinel
halo 3 easiest game of all time
me and friend beat that entire game in one sitting
dusky canopy
no way not with all skulls and legendary difficulty
sick sentinel
the ending of halo 3 is perfect btw
like, not like, perfect, but like beyond perfect
its so good
dusky canopy
I love halo man
such a good game from my youth
all of them
fell off after reach for me
sick sentinel
thats all you need is one bad ass scene and huge explosions in the background
hollow yacht
i am wanting to play Prot warrior, but EVERYONE in my guild is telling me not too
that they aren't good atm
what are the thoughts of the warrior discord?
hollow yacht
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxo_K7JLZxQ
and this is why i came to the prot palace and ask some questions lol
warm plinth
i am wanting to play Prot warrior, but EVERYONE in my guild is telling me not to...
Well, I would say that your guild doesn't know what they're talking about.
warm plinth
Prot warriors were literally meta last season and we haven't changed since then. Just because other tanks got better doesn't somehow make us bad.
And we're the absolute kings of Freehold
hollow yacht
yeah, i was told that if i wanted to go higher keys, that warrior isn't best because of all the magic damage or some shit
dusky canopy
are you doing 28s anytime soon?
lusty grotto
out of all the things
warm plinth
🙃
dusky canopy
becuase right now you cant do a 28
lusty grotto
theres barely any magic damage in this season
warm plinth
Define higher keys, first of all
dusky canopy
otherwise youre golden
warm plinth
Second of all, the dangerous tank damage this season is almost nonexistent
hollow yacht
Define higher keys, first of all
their thoughts were 20's
warm plinth
Yeah they're morons
lusty grotto
LMAO
hollow yacht
i came back to play warrior so i can get a sick ass gorehowl axe in the mega dungeon and my thoughts are simply, tank it, it'll be easier
lusty grotto
same
dusky canopy
not gloating just giving you a point of reference
hollow yacht
but then I geared up for fucking fury, which sure is good in keys, but tanking is fun
ocean yoke
id imagine a lot of people get hung up on the really misleading "tiers" stuff like subcreation show
hollow yacht
and then their answer was just play pally
pallid quiver
"weak against magic damage"
Well I mean i guess if you don't press your buttons, that is in fact true
hollow yacht
and i'm like... ehhhhh pally is boring as fuck. sure i get capt shield throw lol
pallid quiver
I mean, spell reflect is on like a 35 hour cooldown or something so
dusky canopy
spell reflect owns
dusky canopy
you do big dam in multiple dungeons with it
pallid quiver
yeah, i was told that if i wanted to go higher keys, that warrior isn't best bec...
On a serious note, Prot War's specific weakness is bleeds or bleed like damage in most cases
Prot War actually has a pretty solid kit for magic damage proper with spell reflect and now sprll block
warm plinth
Which there's like...1 dangerous bleed this season (chomp) because jagged bite is avoidable, and the snake boss bleed doesn't go on the tank
@lusty grotto I love that they included Power Within but just went basic af for the name
hollow yacht
so because i was pursuaded. I crafted a shit ton of things for fury, would any of what I crafted, belt, boots (with shadowflame on both) and rings. any of this stuff good to use on prot? or did I do a big fuck up?
pallid quiver
Most important thing is ilvl and having stats at all
We share more with Arms atm, but just having gear that's ilvl is fine
warm plinth
Fury is haste/mastery?
pallid quiver
Since str heavily outweighs any combination of secondaries barring bizarro scenarios
dusky canopy
yes ilvl is what matters
hollow yacht
Fury is haste/mastery?
yes
dusky canopy
wut in the
warm plinth
The double shadowflame is fine. Over time you might wanna recraft to haste/crit but it's fine
warm plinth
Yeah if there's no yes emoji then it'll default to stickers
dusky canopy
you will tank 20s in fury gear no problem
dusky canopy
my prot set is 38% crit 30% haste like 15ish? mastery and 3% vers
hollow yacht
alright, time to relearn how to tank on prot lol
ocean yoke
its pretty chill shield block is big afterthought rn
dusky canopy
yep
hollow yacht
its pretty chill shield block is big afterthought rn
oh?
ocean yoke
yeah its super duper easy to have 100% uptime
dusky canopy
Shield slam as much as humanly possible, followed by thunderclap, followed by dump rage with revenge, if you are about to over cap rage and are gcd locked press ip as well
press all cds on cd
really straight forward gameplay right now
oh and ofc maintain block when in combat
100% uptime
hollow yacht
That was a slight issue i had at one point was keeping up block
mighty valley
That was a thing in pre-dragonflight
or if you somehow sidestep all of the talents
that give you block time
pallid quiver
If shield block isn't up 100% of the time now, you're playing pretty wrong or that
hollow yacht
though i did notice between tier and shield charge, it's easier to keep it up
mighty valley
With a standard build you legit just don't even need to think about it
So long as you're keeping at least a charge on cooldown all the time
south zealot
yall ever use it too much and get capped
warm plinth
That's virtually impossible to do realistically
Like the cap for SB is 24 seconds with enduring defenses, and there's no chance you're extending it more than you're losing w/ shield slam. And bolster doesn't count toward the cap.
ocean yoke
pretty much only during like lust if you use all the charges
sick sentinel
i have many fury weapons now, but i dunno which are any good
that and i don't typically fury or arms these days
mighty valley
your highest ilvl ones are good
mighty valley
you would just sim all the 2hers
orchid mural
Sigh, the Brown-Hate is real out there. pretty hard to get into 22/23's
mighty valley
personally i don't think we should call it "the brown-hate"
orchid mural
lol
warm plinth
Yeah...
waxen frigate
thats prob not the best term
toxic pewter
lusty grotto
wet olive
Are yall clearing stacks on mythic experiemtns at 7-9?
warm plinth
Is this a prot warrior opinion or why people aren't bringing fury warriors or what?
sick sentinel
no idea tldr
warm plinth
Wellw here did you get the post?
jagged gust
Why go fury when arms is right there?
dusky canopy
^
sick sentinel
No oveor anvil, I tried
warm plinth
@sick sentinel I heard you can't say mark doesn't exist anymore
hazy bronze
Yogi raid :pog:
toxic pewter
?
lusty grotto
hoo boy
that shit made me laugh
just ignore affix by not being invited to a key and/or because we simply cant do shit about them anyway lmao
- us
mighty valley
lemme just take care of afflicted real quick
mighty valley
i mean, if they're like "pretty much anyone should be able to handle these, except tanks" that's cool with me
i'll chill i guess
anyway they did say they'll be taking a look at afflicted
it's nice that pretty much anyone can at least stall incorp for a bit
lusty grotto
yeah
the problem is specs that can just solo or invalidates these affixes
COUGH SP COUGH
we are in yet another week where either SPs or healing priests are required
restive crown
how do they get the cages here? is soothe enuf or u need invis also?
lusty grotto
no idea that's an MDI route
a lot of vanish/meld/soothe fuckery is what i'd like to say
or fd
these are the routes you just can't do without a team in voice and/or the required classes, its a 27 after all
i know for a fact you can soothe + open the one north east
ive done it
but the others might be trickier, honestly not worth my time
fast coral
Fun fact you can spell reflect the knockback from the last boss in Halls of Infusion
proper roost
how do they get the cages here? is soothe enuf or u need invis also?
You can get the one at the top right with just a soothe
you actually dont even need a soothe for that one (provided you kill the pack in the middle of 4 that they skip)
you just hug the wall and go behind the trees and you can click the cage there
lusty grotto
yes
lusty grotto
Fun fact you can spell reflect the knockback from the last boss in Halls of Infu...
fun fact, you shouldn't
cause the hit that does big damage to him comes right after it
restive crown
ok thank you !
fast coral
cause the hit that does big damage to him comes right after it
Really, I've never noticed it tbh
lusty grotto
its on the pinned reflect list
well now you know
and knowing is half the battle
it does a shitload of damage on tyrannical, so you def shouldn't reflect the knockback
it comes right after
proper roost
yeah you definitely will notice
The problem with tanking low keys is like
it's very easy to fall into a trap where you're like "oh this does no damage" and you never actually learn what hits hard
and then you do like a 23 tyr and you instantly die and you have no idea what went wrong
Taht was just because you did not bother to look up what that hit was
fast coral
Ah I understand now
lusty grotto
for reflectable lists always check the pinned reflect sheet
sense does a great job putting it up before the patch even hits and updates it asap
pallid quiver
the benefits of being an automaton
harsh light
anyone know if taking intervene has any real benefit to toladras's bleed?
lusty grotto
who
oh uldaman snake boss
no not anything tested, usually intervene doesnt work for bleeds, but i also haven't tried to test it
it is reflectable though
even though its physical, the initial hit
so dps warriors should reflect whenever
it doesnt target the tank
also the name is Talondras
harsh light
☝️
Appreciate yah boss, and my bad i hoped i got the name close enough, to get some feedback
mighty valley
We used to be able to intervene the bleed from the 2nd boss in Spires of Ascension
undone verge
how do they get the cages here? is soothe enuf or u need invis also?
priests can open all 5 cages without pulling any trash before the first boss
restive crown
priests can open all 5 cages without pulling any trash before the first boss
js soothe alone?
undone verge
somethin like that
MS+Fade for some
while its possible to do the first boss without pulling any trash, not realistic cause the group would be clearing count while priest unlocks, but it frees up ur route so ur not restricted to the packs between cages and can pull whatever packs are easiest/most efficient
restive crown
woa thanks
sick sentinel
Protection warrior Soft n hard cap for Haste?
jagged pier
7100 rating
uneven mason
Protection warrior Soft n hard cap for Haste?
sick sentinel
shame no mdi to ahowcase the cool tech
i barely tune into any wow official streams, but pretty much never miss those by comparison
crude notch
double tank isn't cool tech
uneven mason
It's Nomtech
hollow aspen
Are the new patch trinkets good ?
ebon geyser
7100 rating
👋 hi fren
hardy snow
We'll know when they release and tuning is done
but tuning will be done in september
uneven mason
Well, probably not even then, but generally after the first week content is available they stop updating it for at least a little bit
ionic fern
We don't even know what the 3m trinket does.
😦
The rest (outside the cheat death one) seem fine tbh, especially since you can upgrade them to 441.
Only issue is that we already have really solid trinket options with Dragul / Beacon / Anvil etc.
uneven mason
Cheat death on trinkets 
ionic fern
8m CD.
I bet @strong forum knows..which procs first..class Cheat death or trinket cheat death?
strong forum
Well one procs on 50% or earlier
And the other procs on actual death
But in case for vdh I think it was LR first
crude notch
LR procs first ye
ebon geyser
@ionic fern hello there frn
ionic fern
Hello, how are you?
ebon geyser
Good u
Tired... overworked...
Unable to play like I want
I have literally not play war since 70.. went to paladin then dh and bear
... idk what I want lmao
ionic fern
Well, tbf, i only raid log my warrior.
Doing some keys on my druid.
And will probably try to gear/level a dps.
crude notch
Bear main Mwahi
sick sentinel
yeah well, i tried to do a 16, even it was a lair
and i got g-manned stasis'd
totally killed my desire to play since lol
ebon geyser
I don't even know how warrior is doing lol
proper roost
what does getting g-manned stasis'd mean
ebon geyser
Doing some keys on my druid.
I mean I hear in 10.1.5 they gonna be busted
proper roost
@crude notch i did a 16 on my warrior yesterday where the bear tank pulled every single pack in FH using this tactic:
- moonfire
- backpedal (do not charge in do not press thrash do not press swipe)
- kite (still no damage on mobs except moonfire)
AMA
sick sentinel
i wish i could afford a better video editor than windows movie maker...... ehhhh it does the job.....
@proper roost
its half life, i've already said way too much if you haven't played any of those games
proper roost
Wtf lol did you just lag out entirely
sick sentinel
my isp fucking died
proper roost
Unlucky
ebon geyser
Oof
proper roost
Yeah so that 16 only timed by 3 minutes despite me doing 180k overall
sick sentinel
im not going to spoil half life, but it's....... man......... its something else..........
its worth a play
proper roost
It was kinda wild. The guy had chat notifications on for frenzied regen too
AND IRONFUR
ebon geyser
Half life needs a part 3
proper roost
AND GUESS WHICH ONE HE DIDN'T PRESS EVER?
ebon geyser
First game that scared the living sht out of me
proper roost
he actually pressed FR off cd it was extremely spammy and fucking hilarious but then I realized he had notifications on for IF because he pressed it for the first time on eudora
waxen frigate
AND GUESS WHICH ONE HE DIDN'T PRESS EVER?
Actually it’s very difficult to tank a 16 I suggest you level a bear and try it for yourself
proper roost
I also died after like 5 seconds on the first pull due to threat
crude notch
Yeah nerd
proper roost
So
sick sentinel
there are many types of fear in real life
proper roost
Idk
I felt bad because the hunter PL was like "man i just bricked this on 17 because the healer left after this first boss"
and I was like, did u do it with this same tank cuz I kinda see why 💀
(he didn't he just got unlucky twice in a row)
so there i was, wasting 30 minutes of my life where i had to tank 80% of the key because the bear absolutely would not charge in
he was 435 as well so why he was kiting EVERYTHING in a 16, I cannot even begin to comprehend. i'm still just stunned. that guy is living in my head rent free permanently
waxen frigate
proper roost
I shoulda recorded it
ebon geyser
he was 435 as well so why he was kiting EVERYTHING in a 16, I cannot even begin ...
why is that bad
proper roost
well I mean at 435 you're outgearing 16s by like 25 ilvls
So doing more than 37k dps overall as a bear would prob be a good idea
dull zodiac
bruh a 435 bear could facetank 3 packs in a 20 and read a newspaper on the side rn
i love my bear tank so fucking strong
and dps is nutty too
that guy was deff trolling ;D
ebon geyser
im just doing baby keys since im not geared and this sht aspect system is garbage for alts
proper roost
it's only really a thing for like 2 weeks
dull zodiac
is it tho? u need to upgrade every piece once
dull zodiac
i do think it would be fair to be able to send tokens to ur alts
at a loss rate
u know with a vendor like theyve done in the past
give 10 get 7 from a box or smfin
that could be fiar
fair
ebon geyser
i mean i though if my main was all deck out my lats would be easy but nop
proper roost
the flightstone discount was kinda relevant actually imo
but i only geared up one alt so far and it's been several weeks now so idr anymore 
ebon geyser
i need trinkets though , hurting there bad on most my alts
dull zodiac
trinkets are a fucking joke imo, even my main i still dont have chromatic essence
and i kill it on myth, heroic, normal
every week
storm summit
but i only geared up one alt so far and it's been several weeks now so idr anymo...
Have friends funnel loot to alts
Do 11s when u ding, swap to 17s when comfy
proper roost
ye that's exactly what I did on my shaman
minus the funneling part 
friends
spammed 11-15s because you need a ton of wyrm crests anyway, spammed 17s on week 2
and if you do any raid then gearing up is giga fast
raid is basically a loot funnel anyway
storm summit
If you get in, or u hv to make ur own 
proper roost
have a friend's casual guild raid that does n/h
storm summit
Ez
proper roost
like 90% of shit gets sharded or vendored so any rat alt that gets in, easy full tierset
zero effort
jolly crystal
We did a normal run 3 weeks ago for the acheivements, 1 piece of loot wasn't sharded
proper roost
It's only pugging raids where loot is def not free
jolly crystal
I have to pug heroic sark if I want beacon. Cos our other tank wants it as well and he's getting it first if 1 drops
Still going to guild runs for heroic but I'm pugging a few bosses first to try and nab some key pieces
sick sentinel
is it really only just the first 2 bosses that i gotta kill for OCE and anvil?
dont really think i care so much about bacon, im sure i'd find a way to hate it
might be worth going N / H if i only require a couple bosdses
proper roost
it's the 2nd boss (for anvil) and 3rd boss (for OCE) in most pug routes
1st boss is dragon and drops more or less nothing
jolly crystal
I would say pug 2/3 and Sark on Normal just for trinkets
proper roost
maybe an arms/fury 2h if you want it
sick sentinel
is 3rd boss heroic a very low bar or starting to head towards skill required
i have interest in OCE cuz automatic str main stat,
jolly crystal
3rd boss will kill bad pugs, but most should be able to kill it
proper roost
3rd boss is definitely the first slight wall in the raid, but it's very doable in pugs atm
you will have literally everyone in the raid rolling for it tho. so ymmv
ebon geyser
3 boss u will know if dps is bad if u get 3+orbs
ebon geyser
7 on a normal that i pug before finding the guild im in
sick sentinel
how much am i griefing for playing with these talents ?
no shockwave and no ravager
blazing perch
how much am i griefing for playing with these talents ?
Alot 😛
sick sentinel
really ?
proper roost
For what content?
sick sentinel
mythic+
proper roost
If you're not taking shockwave or intimidating shout for keys, you're playing wrong
blazing perch
I mean shockwave is a great AOE stun, id say it probably depends on the dung your going into, for VP for instance id defo have shockwave as theres alot of times it can come in handy.
proper roost
You just straight up are, not much more to say
sick sentinel
hmm
proper roost
Taking a bad damage talent instead of ravager is also like ??
blazing perch
Intimidating shout has like a 1.5min cooldown, id still get shockwave ove intimidating shout but both if u want best
proper roost
It's literally just a 1:1 damage talent you've changed it for that is just objectively worse
proper roost
They both do damage
sick sentinel
ravager i use every 1.5 minutes
sick sentinel
tought as nails is up all the time
proper roost
That's... accounted for
proper roost
Then what kanga
then i'd say, if you're in a coordinated group with many aoe stuns/stops it's a very valid choice 🙂
but no one asking this question is
they're just doing low keys and not understanding that aoe stops and stuns are extremely good in pugs
Take that oan
blazing perch
then i'd say, if you're in a coordinated group with many aoe stuns/stops it's a ...
Thats only if ur in a coordinated group not pugs + if other memebers of ur team have an AOE stun
proper roost
If you have a 100% uptime 1000 dps ability and a 20% uptime 20k dps ability
the 20% uptime one does better
Farewell
Farewell
proper roost
relatable
graceful sand
How much haste do I want before into the fray stacks?
and is the haste from into the fray DR'd?
proper roost
only haste rating DRs
proper roost
Haste % from talents/lust/etc doesn't DR
graceful sand
For sure, thank you!
proper roost
maybe i should have used a simpler metaphor like
"if i give you 1 apple every day, vs giving you 10 apples at the end of the week, which one gives you more apples"
maybe that one's too complicated because you have to divide 10 by 7
crude notch
He's gone man no need to go deeper.
proper roost
well i'm just thinking for the future since that's a valid and common question
night scroll
Not a true warrior
proper roost
"this damage source is always up but this other damage source is not always up why is the damage source that is always up not better"
night scroll
Zug zug
proper roost
Valid question
modern gazelle
Feeeeeelsgoooodman
proper roost
"the second one does more dps" is obviously not a sufficient answer
left basalt
another morning and this discord doesn't disappoint
proper roost
well I dunno, I feel like it is
modern gazelle
Back from vacation. Any hot fixes or changes in the last 16d for warrior?
proper roost
but it clearly doesn't FEEL like it to the questioner
crude notch
"if i give you 1 apple every day, vs giving you 10 apples at the end of the week...
Apple every day is technically better as long as it's a fresh one every day. (:
crude notch
LMAO
proper roost
even that metaphor is bad
crude notch
I love you kanga
proper roost
how to get better metaphor
i just feel bad, that was an unnecessary hostile interaction and i feel like it went 0-100 really fast
round pendant
Just care less, it's discord, people are weird
proper roost
sometimes people just shitpost bad talents and i guess chiding that was not good
i still blame dragonflight talent system, i feel like it really noob traps new players into thinking you're meant to make your own build but literally you're just gonna pick some wrong shit if you do that (with the caveat that I think overall it's really good)
night scroll
I mean, from their perspective considering they are newbie you should expect it
round pendant
i still blame dragonflight talent system, i feel like it really noob traps new p...
idk. You can perform pretty well even with non-optimal choices, unless it's something like taking BT which just griefs yourself
crude notch
i just feel bad, that was an unnecessary hostile interaction and i feel like it ...
It means you're human kanga, it's all we can do but try. A game that spans multiple nations there's bound to be interactions that are misunderstood. We go again.
round pendant
But not taking ravager in m+ has zero logic behind it
crude notch
There was fair logic, the math just isn't that simple
proper roost
on a slightly related note there was some reddit post about a community carrying people to KSM the other week and i signed up for it but it seems like it's gonna be a complete shitshow
kind of excited to see how poorly it goes
i'm responsible for fostering 3 of my own yogis
along with a tank daddy
crude notch
WME is unironically a good safer place for people that want to learn comfortably.
Without bubble livers.
I love how you make it sound like big brother big sister
Lol
round pendant
"my own yogis" lmfao
proper roost
i think that is literally the intent of this thing except they've set up 5 person teams with 2 carriers and 3 carry...ees
and there is no shot in hell you are gonna actually coordinate 5 people logging on in the right times for it
like literally no way no how
round pendant
what why not
proper roost
i mean if someone doesn't have KSM at this point in the season it's because they literally do not play the game
round pendant
like me 
proper roost
i wouldn't be shocked if 2/3rds of my carries don't actually show up ever
round pendant
I've done like 1-2 keys a week at this point
proper roost
at least carrying to 2k, you literally only need like 17s across the board on one affix and you get 2k
so it's really easy, very excited to get a full dps stack of people doing like 20k though
crude notch
i mean if someone doesn't have KSM at this point in the season it's because they...
This mentality is just inherently flawed
round pendant
Yeah I also disagree
Also the incentive for those carries is that they're helping people
They'll probably mostly show up
proper roost
idk man i'll see how it goes, the carries are assigned tomorrow
i said hi to my tank dad
crude notch
I'm scared for those being carried if it's not being properly monitored like WME does.
proper roost
yeah it's def not
sounds like i should go to WME disc
i don't really care to push so i'm kind of just doing baby keys on my rsham now anyway
sick sentinel
aint wme war mode enabled
proper roost
uh it's this separate community called wowmadeeasy
proper roost
occasionally you'll see key groups have WME in their name, that's what it's referring to
i've never actually gone to their disc tho
left basalt
can we link other cords?
round pendant
hm I should probably get involved with that just for my friends' sake. He can't handle the pressure of messing up and potentially being shittalked
proper roost
nah yeah it's referring to the discord, not warmode
sick sentinel
you have to get 3 people at the stone to summon
night scroll
proper roost
i've definitely only heard good things about it tbh which is actually kind of impressive
left basalt
yeah the 20+ runs are super fun
proper roost
uh yeah i think this one is just NA
twin bramble
Anyone know the difficultly of mega dungeons historically? Like a heroic raid? Or easier?
left basalt
and nice people
round pendant
Sadge.
proper roost
there's a separate discord for EU iirc
round pendant
yeah I know of the EU one but I got weird vibes from that place
proper roost
but not sure if it's as popular (WME is also not that popular, i see it literally like once every 20-50 keys when pugging and usually only very low keys)
left basalt
Anyone know the difficultly of mega dungeons historically? Like a heroic raid? ...
pretty sure they just beat it silly with the nerfbat
wheat dragon
whats the EU one
mighty valley
Anyone know the difficultly of mega dungeons historically? Like a heroic raid? ...
Historically, day 1, it’s a little like a heroic raid but naturally easier since it’s just 5 people learning. This one is meant to be harder but we’ll see how they land the tuning
crude notch
Anyone know the difficultly of mega dungeons historically? Like a heroic raid? ...
They're aiming for it to be heroic raid/keys in teens
twin bramble
pretty sure they just beat it silly with the nerfbat
Lol. Is it one difficultly setting?
round pendant
whats the EU one
Called "No Pressure"
twin bramble
Cool. Thanks!
mighty valley
They used to have hard modes but this one does not
twin bramble
Trying to find something to do with friends who aren’t ready for 20+ keys.
proper roost
yeah, the megadungeon in 10.1.5 only has mythic0 mode
crude notch
They used to have hard modes but this one does not
This one does
proper roost
it'll have a heroic mode in 10.1.7 apparently, and it'll be split into 2 keys for 10.2 M+ rotation
crude notch
Ezpz
sick sentinel
just don't pull a shadowlands
round pendant
it'll have a heroic mode in 10.1.7 apparently, and it'll be split into 2 keys fo...
That's nice tbh
sick sentinel
and make 17 different versions of PF
mighty valley
I thought it just had a challenge run
twin bramble
lol
crude notch
What
proper roost
i'm kinda worried about pugging it tbh but we'll see how it goes i guess 🥴
probably just gonna have to tank it on my warrior
crude notch
Pugging it will be fun if you go in with the right mentality
sick sentinel
PF on normal, heroic and mythic difficulty, all have different mob placements and spots you can and cant walk over terrain
proper roost
yeh just sorta worried if it's really long i'll get leavers mid dungeon or some shit
idk
crude notch
Oh yeah
sick sentinel
and it doesn't makea cohesive key stone experience
crude notch
For sure
proper roost
not really sure how m0 lockouts work in terms of flexibility? no one in my guild just does keys or anything so 💀
mighty valley
god trying to find info about it on google and it’s all just chatGPT trash
we used to have a proper internet
round pendant
I don't think he left
proper roost
The info about the megadungeon is spread out across like 10 wowhead posts
it's probably simpler just to ask here
what your specific queries are
crude notch
Anyways
proper roost
round pendant
0 to 100 real quick yet again
crude notch
Lol
mighty valley
I just remembered hearing that it doesn’t have a hard mode you turn on like in the past, but it’s got a challenge achievement instead
crude notch
What
proper roost
I just remembered hearing that it doesn’t have a hard mode you turn on like in t...
Think the achievement you're thinking about is the 0 deaths one
which is a separate thing
also i think it's a fos (pedantic difference)
crude notch
Well at least your name is accurate.
round pendant
proper roost
i also was not aware of the activated hard modes thing in the megadungeon
but i have no idea where to look up info about that
round pendant
I think this guy IS the guy that left tbh
left basalt
Did this guy rage quit, to make a new account, to rejoin 
left basalt
amazing
round pendant
Like I said, people are weird af on discord
proper roost
i no longer feel that bad, this is kinda psychotic behavior ngl
round pendant
Imagine getting this worked up over being asked if your question was serious
proper roost
do you happen to have a wowhead post or anything detailing the hardmode stuff @crude notch
err, i guess i'm actually more concerned about whether it changes the loot at all
crude notch
i also was not aware of the activated hard modes thing in the megadungeon
Yeah there's no activated hard mode just checked. It's just the no death thing.
mighty valley
jordan once again misleading me with their lies
crude notch
I don't want you weirdos doing this dungeon and going "kekw this is Omega easy" it's not meant to be hard for people doing 20+ keys
Actually I wasn't wrong it's just not activated
stable valve
I don't want you weirdos doing this dungeon and going "kekw this is Omega easy" ...
Is it actually easier than 20+ keys?
proper roost
yes lol
proper roost
it's supposed to be a sort of catchup
stable valve
Damn, alright then
proper roost
it's not supposed to be giga difficult
mighty valley
Past hard modes have had more fight complexity but nowhere near the actual numbers requirement compared to a 20
stable valve
I was looking forward to the no death thing being an actual 5 man challenge
proper roost
leave that for m+ tuning in 10.2 when it's really unbalanced and also drops free greentext items that you will have to farm over and over again
crude notch
Man
round pendant
no thanks
proper roost
I mean, the no death thing is probably going to be reasonably challenging
Idk who knows
round pendant
You're being the meanie now
daring marlin
Are you okay, bud? Need a hug?
proper roost
this is honestly in the top 5 of my weirdest discord interactions i've ever had in my life
daring marlin
It ain't that serious.
crude notch
Mechagon hard mode the season it was released was wild
crude notch
The buttons
proper roost
which owns
round pendant
This guy is really upset that Tough as Nails isn't as good as Ravager
He must REALLY hate having to press an extra button sometimes
daring marlin
That's a yes. Consider hugging your pillow or something.
proper roost
man, every time people talk about bfa dungeons, I get sad that i missed out on bfa
daring marlin
These hard times will pass, bud.
proper roost
err and then i remember the systems of bfa. but the key content seemed awesome
round pendant
Habla espanol?
proper roost
it feels bad to be outside of the references people talk about when they talk about like crazy tol dagor snaps or whatever
and I'm like "nods and smiles"
mighty valley
err and then i remember the systems of bfa. but the key content seemed awesome
Everyone hates current expansion. Old expansion? That’s good
daring marlin
@whole cliff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1kmrl9s8uQ
ebon geyser
we dont say that here
crude notch
In the great words of my friends here
proper roost
see like I feel like a lot of people remember most of the bfa dungeons really fondly
crude notch
I say what I want
Until Nome tells me to stop
BfA dungeons were the best m+ dungeons legion weirdos can kick rocks
round pendant
Legion dungeons were mid but the game was fun
BfA dungeons were good but the game was less fun
crude notch
Legion only appeared better because there was like 16 dungeons
We get it , but you're now borderline harassing so it's time to stop.
round pendant
Get over it buddy. All I did was ask if you were serious with your question and you're throwing a tantrum
left basalt
<@&257983573498265600>
stable valve
We get it , but you're now borderline harassing so it's time to stop.
Jordan, idk if “borderline” is the right word there lol
twin bramble
Jordan, idk if “borderline” is the right word there lol
Haha my thoughts exactly.
crude notch
Jordan, idk if “borderline” is the right word there lol
I was being lenient
stray wedge
right
left basalt
proper roost
hi macro
round pendant
I don't feel very harassed personally so it's ok
proper roost
long time no see
round pendant
don't punish him for me!!
proper roost
👋
crude notch
Macro!
twin bramble
Sadly, at first I was happy someone finally called out Jordan for being mean to people 😂 I’ve almost left because of Jordan many times. But this is even worse 😂😂
crude notch
Sadly, at first I was happy someone finally called out Jordan for being mean to ...
I had nothing to do with this one
round pendant
It's funny how we instantly clocked it was the same person that left before tho
waxen frigate
proper roost
also yeah that
stable valve
Jordan didn’t even do anything lol
crude notch
Sheesh
modern gazelle
Bro people are soft as fuck lmao what did I just come into
crude notch
I'm catching strays
twin bramble
I don’t even know where this is coming from haha
ebon geyser
when ppl say fuck this server and this is the best class discord server.
stable valve
Nish/Jordan, why does this never happen in the brew discord lmao
mighty valley
my coffee got cold. fuckin jordan
ebon geyser
Nish/Jordan, why does this never happen in the brew discord lmao
because that server is already shit like the class
crude notch
Nish/Jordan, why does this never happen in the brew discord lmao
Did you not see the guy harassing in there
ebon geyser
crude notch
With his stupid vid
proper roost
because usually people who play monk are broken and defeated by blizzard literally not paying any attention to them
stable valve
Did you not see the guy harassing in there
Oh yeah, the shitty YouTube vid lmao
round pendant
Context: Guy asked why Ravager was better than Tough as Nails. I said "are you serious" (paraphrasing) and it's been living in his head rent free for the last 2 hours
ebon geyser
Context: Guy asked why Ravager was better than Tough as Nails. I said "are you s...
lol
crude notch
It also has like 40 mods
modern gazelle
Yikes
stable valve
Goddamn that music was terrible too
modern gazelle
Pretty sure you guys said worse to me when I was new xD
proper roost
sorry to hear that, that's not fair
twin bramble
Context: Guy asked why Ravager was better than Tough as Nails. I said "are you s...
😂
proper roost
unless you deserved it maybe
round pendant
The thing is, he asked if his talents were griefing and then adamantly defending his poor talent decisions
crude notch
Ugh I was having fun now we're back to this.
waxen frigate
Goddamn that music was terrible too
clicks on video
imagine dragons starts playing
dislike and close video
modern gazelle
Who gives a fuck. Just take that as an answer to the question. Clearly it means ravager is way better so it’s not even worth considering
hazy bronze
RIP missed drama
twin bramble
Lol
proper roost
well it's definitely worth considering
questioning talent choices instead of picking blindly is always good esp in DF
modern gazelle
People need to learn to take shit less serious and just learn from those that are more experienced regardless of how they may respond you can still get your answer a lot of the time
round pendant
Yeah it's not worth talking about anymore. I think he's just young n dumb
proper roost
the granularity is actually the best thing about the talent system
left basalt
and full of... bad ideas
oblique garnet
he asked why something was better and you guys didnt bother to answer with something simple like ravager does more damage and generates rage?
Im dissapointed
modern gazelle
Then again I personally prefer quick to the point blunt responses.
round pendant
<:peepostudy:617259554530656262> he asked why something was better and you guys ...
I said that just before I asked if his question was serious
proper roost
ok well we did 😦
round pendant
I honestly thought he was doing a cheeky bit of trolling
stable valve
Why do we take thunderous instead of all the shockwave talents?
crude notch
Because we hate fun
toxic pewter
mighty valley
he phrased the question in a weirdly aggressive way too. just a weird one all around
round pendant
Ravager gives Rage
See!
I would have apologised if he didn't immediately start being an asshole
modern gazelle
Why don’t we play Prot in PvP and simply let people’s blades dull as they realize we are unkillable?
crude notch
Alright anyways.
round pendant
Why do we take thunderous instead of all the shockwave talents?
I wish Shockwave did more damage :(((
It's a fun ability
modern gazelle
No but actually, any hot fixes to things or Prot changes in the last 16 days I should be aware of?
round pendant
It'd be nice if shockwave did extra damage to stun-immune enemies
stable valve
I wish Shockwave did more damage :(((
Please no
modern gazelle
I just use it as another interrupt I like it as is but haven’t looked at the talents
stable valve
I was meming
twin bramble
No but actually, any hot fixes to things or Prot changes in the last 16 days I s...
Naw. I think the only change is us getting 6% inc dmg on Tuesday
round pendant
we got buffed again?
modern gazelle
Reduced or increased?
mighty valley
yeah, ditch the 9.0 rings if you still have them on Tuesday
that’s the only real change
twin bramble
Other classes “30 rows of patch text”. Warriors “inc 6% dmg”. We are a simple breed 😂😂
mighty valley
all tanks are getting flat buffs
toxic pewter
? Many specs got nothing
daring marlin
That was all tanks.
mighty valley
as compensation
daring marlin
Some DPS too, like ret.
modern gazelle
All tanks getting buffed seems nuts wth
toxic pewter
?
waxen frigate
All tanks getting buffed seems nuts wth
It’s just compensation for annulet nerf
crude notch
It's compensation
waxen frigate
And eranog nerf
modern gazelle
Ah
toxic pewter
Even if it’s compensation how is that nuts
hazy bronze
:pog:
proper roost
oh god it's still going on
modern gazelle
Do we know what rings are worth running instead yet? I don’t have 441 rings so never replaced
round pendant
MODS!!!!!
hazy bronze
Do we know what rings are worth running instead yet? I don’t have 441 rings so n...
crit/haste, crafted, FH, VP
round pendant
no one @'d you
proper roost
anyways, uh, so the other thing is, moo mentioned a while ago that with the ptr buff, it's an overall slight buff to pwar damage, so yeah @modern gazelle
crude notch
no one @'d you
mighty valley
yam just did