we didnt even notice until we wiped on last pack
#protection
shut summit
proper roost
Rip
lusty grotto
the sp raged cause of kicks but
idk
fucking sanguine fucks my kick up really bad
its stormbolt and let jesus take the wheel if i cant manage good positioning
anyway he raged cause the ret pally said "kicks"
was weird
lol
i kinda feel like this season's affixes/dungeons are way too dependant on SP utility (and paladins)
kinda weird how we went from 1 affix where certain classes were highly sought after (raging) to this
feels like class identity is doing more harm than good tbh
in the context of unique utility
ionic fern
Morning Ghash,ily.
lusty grotto
morning mwahi
undone verge
Europeans are weird like how is it morning. Ill be up for like 3 more hours then go to bed
lusty grotto
hoping for that mad 4 2-hander vault tomorrow
warm plinth
I'm bored like I'm about to be nailed down to make a deck
lusty grotto
😮
at work?
in between days are so stupid lol
err in between holidays
i had 3 meetings this morning and jack shit for the entire day
warm plinth
yeah I'm at work. Got tomorrow off though so I can sleep hard if I wanna
lusty grotto
hell yea brother
warm plinth
Just tired as fuck so that's not helping
ionic fern
morning mwahi
Morning Nimchip.
warm plinth
And that's the full schedule.
warm plinth
No, but they are the only combinations left.
nocturne spindle
Has entangling spiteful been done?
warm plinth
No, but it can't be done at this point
Entangling only has a tyrannical week left, and Spiteful only has a fortified week left. They can't be together.
warm plinth
Yes, every affix has a tyr week and a fort week. And we knew that we wouldn't have afflicted and bursting together because Blizzard said as much. So once we were like 5-6 weeks into the schedule, it was pretty obvious what was left.
proper roost
cinder nova
Wow I just hit the gear wall lads. The only thing I need is 441 native tier chest from GV
You can't catalyst crafted shit right
warm plinth
Correct
warm plinth
But you can convert 441 shit to 447 anyway on the 11th
cinder nova
Yeah but only if it dropped @ 441+
Mine is hero-tracked 441
Everything else is either 447 crafted, native 441+ or already 447
warm plinth
Yeah
cinder nova
I'm trying to be ready for when it drops so I can just crank everything up 6 ilvls
I fully expect having to farm flightstones 
lilac bloom
is it wise to wear all crafted gear 447
proper roost
wym
cinder nova
Only thing you can't do is double up on crafted 447 rings
jagged pier
^
lilac bloom
yah.. i guess there's not much i can do for now..then farming aspects to level up my crafted gear.. seems like everyone i see are wearing 3 piece of crafted 447 i might as well jump in the programe
jagged pier
should 5 crafted items by now
lilac bloom
yah... ill work my way to it..
sick sentinel
Hello un tank français ?
Need un conseil
J'ai des problèmes aggro sur certains donjon
ionic fern
Hello un tank français ?
Need un conseil
J'ai des problèmes aggro sur certains d...
Il est fort probable que vous n'utilisiez pas vos capacités correctement et/ou assez souvent.
jagged pier
👀
ionic fern
Also, english.
sick sentinel
Je peux te mp ?
Non mon soucis aggro est par exemple si les dps tape avant que j'ai placer correctement les 2/3 packs
ionic fern
Mate, i ain't actually french..but i can use google translate.
static aspen
Omlette du fromage
echo egret
I mp’ed him
sick sentinel
My problem is when I place the mobs and the dps hit before I have everything up, I lose laggro
hardy snow
My problem is when I place the mobs and the dps hit before I have everything up,...
you cant do much about it (assuming you pop your CDs, use aoe abilites etc.), some dumb DPSers just must learn (by receiving few melee from mobs in face) that when tank is still grouping mobs - dps have to wait moment
and even if they got killed by melee from mobs in such way 10 times, they will still blame tank for not holding aggro and wont learn shit 
cinder nova
I mean you can absolutely do it with 700K, just gonna be harder if you make any mistakes.
jagged pier
well if your comfortable its fine
gloomy vortex
should 5 crafted items by now
5 crafted? Which ones are suggested? Can we make 447 gear and catalyst it
tardy sequoia
i thought stamina was increasing with ilvl, i am 427
jagged pier
u cant catalyst crafted pieces
tardy sequoia
and i thought 427 was enough for 19
jagged pier
i thought stamina was increasing with ilvl, i am 427
well yer higher ilvl is more stats
jagged pier
5 crafted? Which ones are suggested? Can we make 447 gear and catalyst it
u craft pieces u need that arent tier
crude notch
https://mythicpl.us/
this didn't really work most of the season because they never announced the schedule weirdo
tardy sequoia
and how much ilvl is good for a 19?
jagged pier
theres no recommended ones past 3
jagged pier
and how much ilvl is good for a 19?
there is no such thing as an ilvl for a certain lvl of key its just based off iif u are comfortable doing that lvl
gloomy vortex
u craft pieces u need that arent tier
So boots, bracers, shoulders.. any rings suggested?
torn gulch
my full setup will have 9 out of 16 items crafted
tardy sequoia
there is no such thing as an ilvl for a certain lvl of key its just based off ii...
i see, ty
crude notch
Happy Worst Luck In The World So I Had To Wait Until Week 4 Catalyst To Get 4-Piece Tier Day!
To those that y'know somehow don't have 4p
sterile zephyr
Protection Warrior 441 Treemouth splinter 441 Beacon 447 Heart of Thunder, which one do you like best?
if you choose two
warm plinth
Beacon and Heart
sterile zephyr
@warm plinth is 441 treemouth bad?
warm plinth
no, it's unnecessary
vestal cove
Looking for some help - I understand tanking is fluid and very much situation dependant. But im looking for some advice around opening up on a big pull - think first pull Freehold or Uldaman -
Currently im using shield charge to get in and then shield wall. Thunder clap, avatar, ravager and shield slam follow and then rage gets spent on Ignore Pain and shield block when it’s back up.
I’ve got demo shout and Last stand to use - would you swap anything out for them at this stage?
jagged pier
well u should use rav bfore charging
use charge to charge
not sheild charge
u avatar as u charge then u demo and dragon roar shield charge
then rotation
u can heroic throw and taunt other packs in should be caught in your revenging and tc anywa so aggro wont be an issue
or shouldnt
vestal cove
This is helpful. Appreciate it
crude notch
yw
sterile zephyr
@jagged pier Protection Warrior 441 Treemouth splinter 441 Beacon 447 Heart of Thunder, which one do you like best? if you choose two
jagged pier
^
crude notch
stop yelling at me mwahi
ionic fern
Never.
Me yelling shows that i care enough that i'm willing to press an additional key.
jagged pier
warm plinth
He didn't love me enough to trust me
crude notch
ionic fern
He didn't love me enough to trust me
You did not end your sentence properly with a dot, so he thought more was coming.
warm plinth
You're right. It is my failing
crude notch
yeah imagine ending your sentences
uneven mason
Punctuation and context, this is the internet, you get that shit rite outta here!!!!11!1!1
oblique garnet
You did not end your sentence properly with a dot, so he thought more was coming...
sterile zephyr
@warm plinth @ionic fern appreciate it
remote venture
Warrior shout to eveyone! That how they give buffs and show love
crude notch
tf
kind urchin
Anyone else battle shout sound like a lion roar the last couple days?
tropic gorge
Happy birthday America!
crude notch
https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025
brittle owl
He didn't love me enough to trust me
we know how you treat your loved ones ghash
crude notch
with respect?
sick sentinel
about to start a 16 yesterday and.................
havent been online till just now
split ridge
sick sentinel
as asmongold said previously "it was as though the universe had created an interagalactic, interplanatary dildo, to fuck me in the ass"
only way that coudl have been worse is if it was just as final boss was being pulled and we were on time
crude notch
"And remember folks... "I must get closer""
craggy pilot
do you have 2 different "dmg number" addons? looks like it 🤔
looks like you have both Classic Numbers + Nameplate Scrolling Combat Text
crude notch
you failed the first rule of fight club
jagged pier
he also let 5 mobs sit behind him
crude notch
no, the first rule of fight club is we don't talk about yogi's ui
craggy pilot
yogis ui is 😙 👌
crude notch
exactly
craggy pilot
and i swear the cursor gets bigger for every time he posts a new video
craggy pilot
dont have to imagine
it would be bigger than the shield around his character model xD
we also need the lightning behind it right?
my pro paint skills nearing their limits
sick sentinel
cursor is same size post 10.0 all the time anyways
otherwise i'd be using a cursor trail addon
failing that, i'd lose track of it
then i'd be bricking keys, so it is what it is
is like, many many many years ago, had downloaded and applied this (close enough, probably quake 1 one) but a 45 degree rotation to the left no background, put that on windows 95 pc, i understood where the "click point" of the cursor was but my borther didnt understand it
also, yeah, i did get back hit, i counted 11 melees on that pull that didnt get blocked or parried
echo egret
Is it worth taking Spell Block for Sarkareth ?
jagged pier
yes
echo egret
Use on each Claw ?
jagged pier
it blocks the ticks of the dot
echo egret
yeah
jagged pier
in all phases
sick sentinel
that video i linked is only a minor yogi chaos event, terms of not doing mechanics
if i wanted to could pull way nastier footage of gross pulls going gross for no reason
hazy bronze
I wanna have a glass of milk and cookies with yogi
jagged gust
I want to re-enact Mystery Science Theater 3000 but just with clips of Yogi tanking
kind urchin
I'm going to assume it's a bug but the last 2 days rend has been absolutely cranking in my keys. It's been either at the top or very close to the top on my overall damage.
craggy pilot
I'm going to assume it's a bug but the last 2 days rend has been absolutely cran...
are you asking any question here? 🤔 any logs or pictures would help generally
uneven mason
crude notch
who said that all the top players run scrolling combat text on damage taken?
uneven mason
Wat
crude notch
someone said it yesterday
uneven mason
Who has time to watch red numbers
crude notch
i think it was kanga
uneven mason
I only have eyes for the big yellow ones
crude notch
sick sentinel
crude notch
meanwhile i'm watching naowh and he doesn't have one (for damage taken)
sick sentinel
this is proably why double number
crude notch
if it's not good enough for naowh it's not good enough for me
sick sentinel
some reason i thought i needed it at one point (?for my plater?, im not sure)
strong forum
Having a scrolling combat text is only useful to figure out what kind of dmg source you're being hit by and if its blockable
Without needing to check it later, you can check it as it happens
That's why I personally run one that's suuper minimalistic
sick sentinel
i can't recall the purpose of getting that addon
craggy pilot
just disable dmg numbers
sick sentinel
or why it displays 2, like if i can turn off vanilla ones and only use that
or if its worth it
craggy pilot
do you have "ClassicNumbers" addon?
i think Nameplate Scrolling Combat Text automatically overrrides blizzard default
sick sentinel
i have those
narcisus is new because dratnos video, so im seeing if i like it or not
craggy pilot
no clue if any of those give damage numbers
sick sentinel
probably a clash between name plates sct and showing dmg numbers base ui
craggy pilot
check Nameplates SCT settings, it should have an option called "disable default" or something like that
craggy pilot
rip xD
sick sentinel
17 characters is one of each + 3 dk's for appearances
aint deleted those dks yet
cuz, bdk doesn't die in leveling dungeons, just spam deathstrike
crude notch
sick sentinel
NA is up
jagged gust
If only vault tho
sick sentinel
17 miniutes is nothing when you just went through 17 hours of no internet
200% socket choose here
daring marlin
ok
I know complaining about this is dumb but
both pally and warrior got oce in their box
crude notch
you're dumb
daring marlin
I already have it on both
crude notch
woe is me i'm too rich
polar sparrow
I have a question about ring selection. With the nerf to annulet rapidly approaching, what is the cutoff point for protection warrior to replace it? It was pinned that a 441 socketed ring with high haste would be better in AE and I wonder how the nerf is going to affect that. I have a non-socketed 447 Seal of Questionable loyalties in my vault. I can either take that or craft a 447 ring with a socket built in. Which is the better move?
jagged pier
i mean u can just craft 2 rings down the line anyway
jagged gust
sim simmery, sim simmery, sim sim seroo, simming will be the best answer for you
jagged pier
sims arent updated with the new patch info i dont think
jagged gust
Yeah I just wanted to make a Mary Poppins pun
nocturne spindle
i mean his question is between which rings to use after its nerfed
he just sims both the new rings and knows
both will be better than onyx
crude notch
Well the 447 crafted with a socket will sim better than a 447 seal without socket any day of the week
So there we go
crisis averted
knotty vortex
theres no splinter in this weekly did they make it so its random now anyone know
crude notch
your cache didn't have a splinter?
knotty vortex
no it did not
jagged pier
did u get one from vault?
knotty vortex
nope
jagged pier
hmmm
crude notch
Mine did, so what if I tell you I don't believe you
jagged pier
mine did as well
crude notch
Did you lose count of how many you had?
jagged pier
the only bug i know of is u took on from vault it counted that as your weekly
knotty vortex
nvm i opened wrong bag
crude notch
there we be
knotty vortex
gee after u said u got one i was like omg
i was typing splinter for search didnt see it
ruby steppe
If I take splinter from vault I still get another one weekly quest, right?
pastel sleet
does the on use teleport on the crafted ring count as an embellishment?
jagged pier
no
pastel sleet
after the annulet nerf in a week, im assuming the play is double crafted ring? am i wrong?
sand hound
for vault, do i take 441 -> 447 tier gloves
or replace the pants in picture with tier? I already have 4pc so thatll be 5pc and free up a spot.
pastel sleet
gloves are better stated
mellow bridge
take gloves and craft legs
pastel sleet
^
sand hound
ok ty
sick sentinel
you don't even need to craft legs
good legs drop from UR haste crit > good enough, HOI haste mastery
high drop chance if you plate stack
mint pike
So we still want giga haste even playing Into the Fray right?
night scroll
40% giga
jagged pier
7100 rating yes
mint pike
Word
torn gulch
you can get to 40% without into the fray so 50% with it
sick sentinel
if we ever get back reprisal we can truly become the pinball spec
daring marlin
@crude notch
jagged pier
well i guess they could replace a talent
daring marlin
dk lol
night scroll
BACON
sick sentinel
i only see 424 Kappa nice veteran piece Kappa
GG grats
thats a pretty handy graphic
crude notch
outdated
No Myth Track
gtfo
L
+ratio
+you're bald
+you fell off
+who asked
crude notch
no
sick sentinel
well, if i had photoshop, iu would fix it so
night scroll
Posting something you dont know yourself oof 🤣 respect.
daring marlin
I find it hilarious that I told myself yeah, just getting sockets and beacon drops.
big dumb
crude notch
guys i want to do a key on my warrior as prot, just take the subcreation build, right?
night scroll
I'm scared to reply to that
crude notch
why?
jagged pier
crude notch
i would never
jagged pier
🤔
sick sentinel
i fixed it
night scroll
Just do it!
sick sentinel
crude notch
i'm done
night scroll
🤣
sick sentinel
well, wtf is it then
sick sentinel
you gotta spend something somehow i assume
sick sentinel
so then you use aspects
cuz thats the biggest ones we have
oh i see what i did wrong, i invented a myth crest, i was thinking more along lines what they are used for
tardy sequoia
does anyone know where does this drop? it's not listed on any adventure guides as loot
missing only this to complete the transmog set
sick sentinel
i got one from doing catalyst i think
sick sentinel
not sure, seems to work best with raid gear and mythic + gear, im not sure, could be due to special cloak
hardy snow
does anyone know where does this drop? it's not listed on any adventure guides a...
It doesnt drop, only throug catalyst
sick sentinel
don't convert that cloak even if you could you probably wouldnt want to, its good for raid
tardy sequoia
don't convert that cloak even if you could you probably wouldnt want to, its goo...
should I upgrade it?
sick sentinel
if you are a raider, yes
tardy sequoia
got a bunch of wyrm stones left
sick sentinel
the effect is shit in mythic +, even with everyone has it in mythic +, 5 people isn't enough to have it be active enough that it is a gain in dps
tardy sequoia
the effect is shit in mythic +, even with everyone has it in mythic +, 5 people ...
well for now it's the only cloak I have lol so I think I'm gonna keep two cloaks, one for M+ and this one for raid
sick sentinel
if its the only one you got thats fine just use it for whatever content
tardy sequoia
if its the only one you got thats fine just use it for whatever content
yeah previously I had a 389 maxed out adventure item so probably isn't gonna be the case
sick sentinel
but if you plan to do keys, you might want to consider swap it out once you find another you like,
there is a crit haste one out of VP
daring marlin
the effect is shit in mythic +, even with everyone has it in mythic +, 5 people ...
It's mostly just shit for tanks
It's not bad for dps
tardy sequoia
It's mostly just shit for tanks
yeah problem is I can't turn it into a tier set cloak with the catalyst
hardy snow
maybe its locked due to how special that cloak is, just get some cloak from M+
tardy sequoia
i see, thanks
sick sentinel
one good thing is literal EVERYONE
crude notch
y'all ready for the speedrun?
sick sentinel
can get that vp cloak as drop
so, you can leech your way to cloak over time faster
tardy sequoia
gotta farm that dungeon then
daring marlin
y'all ready for the speedrun?
?
sick sentinel
yeah, vp is super hold W, 3 bosses, cant lose
crude notch
lmao
sick sentinel
do bdk even liek crit?
crude notch
did the pic not post wtf
crude notch
do bdk even liek crit?
every tank rn likes crit
daring marlin
this gonna be a TW spree?
sick sentinel
415 gear tho
crude notch
god why does it have to be WoD
sick sentinel
well, not like 5 wod heroics can be hard
south zealot
boosted animal
?
south zealot
do bdk even liek crit?
crit is arguably bloods best stat
since they dont need survivability from stats whatever gives them the most damage is best
daring marlin
????????????????????
daring marlin
holy fuck dude you're arguing against a fucking joke
It's a dude with a 447 mark with leech
a tank
I would have said the same about any tank
daring marlin
the fact that you even responded to an obvious joke the way that you did was the ???????????
south zealot
warriors are morons
with the shit ive seen said in this discord
nothing is an obvious joke
daring marlin
fact check: true
crude notch
well, not like 5 wod heroics can be hard
yogi
daring marlin
blizz needs to BoA crests already
stealth it into .1.5
:^)
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU DK WINS ANVIL
toxic pewter
warriors are morons
I’ll have you know I am actually a genius
crude notch
nothing is an obvious joke
says you
night scroll
Who hurt you? 🥺
south zealot
i hardly make jokes
south zealot
idk what stick you have up your ass
crude notch
south zealot
but everything i say is correct
toxic pewter
daring marlin
That's a long time
hazy bronze
I can do it for you
waxen sorrel
I assume the other stats take prio once haste cap is reached ?
Or do you want haste so much u go over cap and take the penalty?
icy atlas
I didn't realize you can dodge razor shards on rokmora
sick sentinel
7100 haste unbuffed is pretty hard to do
i only get close to that at ilvl 437 with a haste weapon rune buff and chaos flask proc bunch of other cheeses
its possible to get every slot that matters (minus trinket, don't craft the haste trinket) with haste on it and you still have 4 piece bonus
waxen sorrel
7100 haste unbuffed is pretty hard to do
I was under the impression 5100 would be the cap
daring marlin
negative
waxen sorrel
oh?
daring marlin
That's the first DR breakpoint
daring marlin
It's not a big deal at all--haste remains the highest value after it.
waxen sorrel
I see
sick sentinel
maybe its 6100 im thinking of
crude notch
7100
waxen sorrel
On fury and on my dragon as I understand it you take other stats when u get to the first DR breakpoint
sick sentinel
regardless whichever number its a massive amount of haste
you need giga cheese or giga gear
crude notch
10% penalty is nothing
karmic plinth
you can sim yourself to see if its worth going for the other stats past that point but it usually wont be
daring marlin
especially considering how massive haste is for us
sick sentinel
you will not notice 10%
you will notice 20%
sick sentinel
domo arigato motherfucker
waxen sorrel
I cant get into keys as fury much on my alt so figured I would give a prot a go
been a while since I tanked though
mighty valley
sims will likely suggest other stats for pure dps but haste still has great overall value
sick sentinel
terminator or not, ai is here, and here to stay
daring marlin
fun fact: you probably won't as prot either without IO!
mighty valley
i'm not even at 5100 and gemming/enchanting crit is already a dps gain
waxen sorrel
2700 io on main 2400 io on warrior
daring marlin
Sad truth about pugging these days.
waxen sorrel
yea its rough
I have so much perfect fury gear thats not so great for prot though
sadge
really need a new neck so I can get prot gems
night scroll
Imagine imagining
round pendant
lmfao I dps'd sark normal and parsed 39 cause I forgot how to play arms
didn't even use colossus smash once
back to prot for me
daring marlin
vocal nimbus
twin bramble
So i have all 4 set pieces at 441, and a molten mace at 447. my thinkets suck and is at 441. literally using a heart of thunder 441. Would you take the ilevel increase of the trinket, or take the forgestone over the 447 molten mace?
jagged pier
a 441 forge is better than a 447 molten mace
twin bramble
haha
daring marlin
gang of one
crude notch
almost anyone with a brain dislikes it because it's too variable
chilly brook
Gang of one
jagged gust
fake news
urban portal
5-6% -strength
jagged gust
Just parse in the top 1% of warriors Smiley face
crude notch
It often does 5-6% of my overall in keys
it's gonna do better the worse player you are
oblique garnet
urban portal
what are you trying to say man
strong forum
with 10.1.5 forgestorm gets worse again btw
cuz we get buffed by 8% making str better
twin bramble
wasnt aware what i was about to start hahaha
jagged pier
cuz we get buffed by 8% making str better
think it depends m+ for sure
raid eh maybe will have too see
strong forum
raid has alot of variance too, not a fan
jagged pier
i love out of the top 5 things on my meter 4 of them are not part of my rotation
thats nice
strong forum
some fights it does 1%
some it does 9%
:pepegaclap:
current season parsing is just 
jagged pier
strong forum
annulet rng, bacon crit rng, forgestorm rng
jagged pier
telling me
strong forum
literal casino season
daring marlin
lines up with sense's
I just checked his too
his best was like
4.5%
he had some at 2.8%
lmaooooooo
guess I don't care much that I haven't gotten it on warrior
strong forum
yeah for m+ i cant recommend it for consistencies sake
unless ofc, you arent a 0.1% gamer
daring marlin
Most of those logs I looked at were pre buff but even post buff prolly still not amazing
toxic pewter
eventually players will actually outsource their gameplay to AI
daring marlin
of my own anyway
strong forum
eventually players will actually outsource their gameplay to AI
thats called cheating
toxic pewter
like with addons or something
daring marlin
eventually players will actually outsource their gameplay to AI
wdym people do that already with hekili on some classes
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
jagged pier
they already kinda do, with bots or cast sequence macros
round pendant
81 overall 98 ilvl sadge
daring marlin
funny
jagged pier
thing is i think in most cases FF have a fixed rotation mostly
imagine trying to make a macro for prot KEKW
strong forum
ye from what i heard FF rotations are literal scripts
toxic pewter
i had an old guildie that used that heliki or whatever for arms warr
jagged pier
well i only say that because we had someone in here the other day ask about our rotation, and was suprised that we didnt have a set rotation like FF where they had come from
strong forum
21 FH from may 19th
yeah thats just pain
daring marlin
poostorm
daring marlin
well i only say that because we had someone in here the other day ask about our...
WoW has always sorta been a priority system. They got that xivbrain for sure.
not much in the way of procs in XIV, hence little variance.
It's all balanced around 2min windows too. Shit's kinda ass.
crude notch
21 FH from may 19th
see you are a gamer
nocturne spindle
Simmy sim sim
round pendant
why the fuck was the first hit of the tank combo on rashok one hitting me
even through shield wall
????
nocturne spindle
Post logs
Tbh it probably wasn't the first hit if it was truly oneshotting you through wall
winged sage
Zskarn mythic, we are going for 3 tanks strat, I will be the bomb tank, what you guys think would be best, to stay on my prot warr for maximum defensives or go VDH? Kinda hard to find logs of tanks specifically doing bombs 😄
urban portal
go vdh prob
round pendant
Tbh it probably wasn't the first hit if it was truly oneshotting you through wal...
is this one hit?
daring marlin
certainly an ss of a log and not the log itself
round pendant
yeah it was a one shot
ye I'm not linking the log, my wall actually wasn't up for that one
must have fatfingered
winged sage
go vdh prob
Turns out or other warrior has declined tomorrows raid(due to it being summer and vacation)..So i'll have to figure out how I could do this on my warr 😄 But thanks for the input ❤️
round pendant
it do be a 1 shot
strong forum
as just pure bomb tank it should be fine
its the combination of bomb+tank dot thats fucked
but just bomb tank should be chill
round pendant
do I have to dodge the soak then If I'm going to take the tank combo?
strong forum
only if you wont be full hp by the time tank combo happens
but soaking should happen so the raid gets less dicked
if you got 1shot by just earthen crush that means you werent full hp and or didnt have block up
round pendant
I had IP + shield block and took 695k damage which leaves me at 1k hp lmao
weird
lusty grotto
once again shit vault
round pendant
that smells like you didnt block
I had shield block up
maybe he punched me in the side
I should record I guess
who cares I just won't die next time
ez
strong forum
or i can just tell you if you send me the log if you blocked the hit or not
round pendant
oh yeah I didn't block it
round pendant
creepy
proper roost
Something something skill issue
round pendant
I made it private just to spite you
daring marlin
you sound upset
round pendant
But yeah I simply got slapped in the ass
proper roost
Something something skill issue
.
lusty grotto
😡
daring marlin
I got it after I stopped doing keys
proper roost
i gotta spam keys this week!
but today is prime key day and I'm not home all day sadge
daring marlin
afraid it'll be better than warrior?!?!?!?!?!
lusty grotto
it'll happen like every week
lusty grotto
well i would take that even if its normal
lusty grotto
its not just beacon, i have no anvil, no oce, etc on war either
like 4 different trinkets
including Echo's
nocturne spindle
It was super close to my grapnel
nocturne spindle
So I think it'll be better onceel we get the 8%
daring marlin
i fucking hate you
daring marlin
LOL
lusty grotto
YET ANOTHER ONE
daring marlin
EMBRACE THE LIGHT NIMCHIP
nocturne spindle
Lol
daring marlin
adin
lusty grotto
its a shit vault, what's that 2 beacons in the span of 3 weeks?
why the fuck do they keep giving beacons to my ret paladin, i didnt even do sark last week
or did i? i dont remember doing him
well, 444 helm it is
this is so dumb
south zealot
during heroic splits i got beacon in my vault on dk twice in a row
and just got mythic on main today
lusty grotto
grats
round pendant
damn I keep getting 98-99 parses for my ilvl
mighty valley
i think the world is very bad at prot warrior
even when i'm barely trying i'm getting big parses
round pendant
except I parsed 91 on assault sadge
mighty valley
assault parses are weird, the more scuffed it is the more you can pad
round pendant
yeah, it's more to do with whether or not your group griefs your parse
jagged pier
bro u have low hp
jagged pier
what is this mythic or hc?
round pendant
hc
lusty grotto
yeah obviously thats comparing to other 425s
round pendant
with Rashok, I just got slapped in the ass
problem is solved
but yeah this other tank in my group has like 80k more hp than me
druid so idk if that affects it, but less ilvl
🤔
lusty grotto
it doesnt
round pendant
oh I'm still using a season 1 lariat
jagged pier
👀
round pendant
haven't had a single neck drop tho
jagged pier
u make 1
gusty stratus
where are we pulling routes from now n days?
is there a specific website for best each week etc
jagged pier
the w key on your keyboard
sick sentinel
last season = tons of necks
this season = no necks
reverse for me
barely had any good necklaces this season have 2 good ones
daring marlin
nerf to first boss of HoI is huge
round pendant
wait I actually don't know what is happening
shield block up, facing boss
flaming slash isn't blocked
bruh.
sick sentinel
nerfs already went through? thought that was 10.1.5
lusty grotto
did you press spell block?
lusty grotto
well there you go
round pendant
Don't even pretend that the game follows any sort of naming convention when it comes to what's a spell or not
lusty grotto
i mean its a triple hit combo
you'd expect one hit to be physical
and one magical
round pendant
magical =/= spell
lusty grotto
uhh
if you say so
its also easy to get to that conclusion if youre getting slapped too
"i had shield block up", well guess what
round pendant
Either way, shield block + spell block doesn't seem like enough to cover all combos I'll have to take
wheat granite
Why dont people take Thunderlord talent even after buffs? I feel like its so nice to have so much demo shout with booming voice. isnt it best for max dmg?
round pendant
tbf that was only my second attempt (and wipe) on the boss
lesson learned and ez kill
wowee
round pendant
spell reflect 20% dr
I meant to say shield wall + spell block, but it turns out it's enough since I always forget about the talent that reduces shield wall cd
plus ye sr is good
lusty grotto
you never want to use spell block with wall on magical attacks
thats overlapping cds
round pendant
ofc not
I'm just saying I thought the shield wall and spell block CDs would be too long to cover every combo
but ofc I never consider the sw cooldown reduction
That's one of my weakest points in general, not considering that SW is actually a kinda low cooldown in practice
lusty grotto
i usually never wall there
i hold it for if the tank is a total idiot and cant understand that he needs to taunt to prevent repeated hits
but yeah i have gear so its not the same
round pendant
wdyd against flaming slash if your spell block is down
just facetank it with IP?
and SR
round pendant
I refuse to use d stance
round pendant
Yeah I could have used it and probably crutched myself through not knowing flaming slash was a spell
but I'm just of the belief that if I need def stance, I'm doing something wrong
round pendant
Technically you lose some damage, it's not worth if you can survive otherwise
lusty grotto
dance to d, dance to b
jagged pier
I mean actively recommend swapping into d stance for tank combo if u arent using externals or spell block in mythic tbh
jolly crystal
If you have a tool that help you not die, you should use the tool
lusty grotto
literally takes 1 gcd
jagged pier
Your literally in it for 3 seconds then back out
round pendant
If you have a tool that help you not die, you should use the tool
Not if you won't die by not using it and just playing correctly instead
lusty grotto
playing correctly is using dstance
we're not saying sit on it
we're saying swap in and out
stance dance
round pendant
3 seconds is enough to get outburst and use shield slam and lose 20% damage for nothing
I understand
jolly crystal
Your job is not to do max damage (although you should still try). Your job is to stop the rest of your raid dying...by not dying
round pendant
10% sorry
jagged pier
Like u really dont loose that much
round pendant
It's literally objectively wrong to switch to dstance if you can survive without it
jagged pier
Thats 220k ss still gunna hit for like 200k if it lines up with an outburst
round pendant
I can understand in mythic cause the dot + the extra damage might make it important
but I was dying cause I was playing wrong, not because I wasn't using dstance
round pendant
Your job is not to do max damage (although you should still try). Your job is to...
mindsets like this is why we get tanks doing 30k dps and thinking it's fine
lusty grotto
taking this to the extremes for no reason
id say you could speak when you dont die by a flaming slash
but it is what it is
jagged pier
No thats literally what we tell you
round pendant
wdym extremes
round pendant
I can live and do damage without switching to dstance, thus it's the correct choice to not use dstance
jagged pier
U need to understand how to live and do max dps at the same time and sometimes that is swap for buster and swap back
Well u died tho didnt u?
round pendant
if I mess up my cd rotation or whatever and need some panic defensives I use dstance
jagged pier
But u didnt tho
round pendant
Ye because I was unaware of the mechanics of the fight since it was my first and second time fighting the boss
: )
lusty grotto
dstance isnt a panic defensive
round pendant
now I can do it np and don't need to use dstance, where's the problem
round pendant
You use dstance when you NEED extra damage reduction to not die
The only instance in HEROIC raids where that's the case is if I fuck up first
There's places in m+ where it's really useful, at least there was in S1
but nothing in this fuckin raid in heroic that needs me to use dstance to live
lusty grotto
ok, have fun in zskarn
lusty grotto
ilvl % hmm
should i take off gear and hit you
youre a real fucking cunt you know that right?
jolly crystal
1 shot btw, 99th percentile damage btw, no deaths btw
Cool, link it
jagged gust
Knock em down to that 98th percentile ezpz
lusty grotto
i wish i had never said anything regarding flaming slash so your 99% percentile kept dropping dead
jagged gust
Bro is talking getting hit in the back and forgetting to SW trying to act hard
mfer out here trying to 360 no scope bosses
jagged pier
I dunno i was doing 90k on rashok yesterday at 10% before my co tank decided to not use a defensive and die
That was kinda sad pretty sure I fucked up that pull and use d stance i was using a few times that night
Sometimes use sw while i have spell block
I dunno seems weird to have not done the boss before and have no defensives for the combo and just not swap but meh 🤷 do what u want
Here the screenshot of when the tank died cause the rest of u will say i was lying about 90k literally just stopped pressing buttons when he died as the pull was over
round pendant
Bro is talking getting hit in the back and forgetting to SW trying to act hard
I mean I learned that the problem was due to my (dumb) presumption that flaming slash wasn't a spell. It wasn't due to me turning my back that I wasn't blocking the attack
jagged pier
Okay sure but i mean u didnt go over the spreadsheet in the pins to just check what the bosses abilities are like?
round pendant
i wish i had never said anything regarding flaming slash so your 99% percentile ...
idk why you're so seemingly bothered by a hot take that you don't need stance dancing in heroic
round pendant
Okay sure but i mean u didnt go over the spreadsheet in the pins to just check w...
I must admit I did not think to do that
elder loom
can anyone link a WA for tierset? can't find any pins
round pendant
Like I said I just assumed the combo was blockable (without spell block), which was a mistake
nocturne spindle
You dont need a wa for tier
You play the same way you would before
It's just a free damage thing
jagged pier
But its the same spell as the wardens in nels pretty much 🤔. Eh play how u want i cant stop yah
elder loom
heh why would I press shield slam on aoe if I wanna do damage without it
jagged pier
Because its still top prio in aoe anyway
elder loom
just for anger management?
daring marlin
rage gen baby
jagged pier
Yes
And u dont outburst tc till like 6 targets
4 in avatar
When tier set is up not at all u just send ss
round pendant
But its the same spell as the wardens in nels pretty much 🤔. Eh play how u want...
Wardens? Nel? If that's a m+ thing I haven't done any actual difficult m+ this season yet
haven't been playing much in generla
jolly crystal
Wardens? Nel? If that's a m+ thing I haven't done any actual difficult m+ this s...
Qalashi Wardens in Neltharus have a spell called flaming slash that is spell blockable
round pendant
Ah right
yeah I've only done nelth +15 so far as a tank
Not really been paying much attention to the game or pushing anything, like I said I'm only just getting back into the game
but it's good info to know!
round pendant
ilvl % hmm
eh I'd say 1.7k logs is a decent amount to judge if I'm doing damage correctly. Most of those are from earlier in the expansion I suppose when people were gearing still, so it's a relatively decent metric. I'd say ilvl parse matters less if you're significantly below the average ilvl (like the high brackets with 10 people or the 50 ilvls lower ones). I'm not pretending it's more than what it is
Kinda cringe to call me a cunt tho
mighty valley
heroic zskarn has been nerfed so much that it's def less spooky for undergeared tanks than rashok now
daring marlin
Kinda cringe to call me a cunt tho
You've been nothing but cringe AND a cunt so I think it was a pretty apt thing for him to say.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
round pendant
Not sure what I did that's cringey or cunty
Debating whether or not stance dancing is worth in heroic?
mighty valley
you might as well do it as practice for when it is legit do or die
what're you losing, a fraction of a percent of overall dps across the fight?
strong forum
just for anger management?
anger management, more outbursts which means more CDs again and more outbursts, also most pulls have a prio target anyway
round pendant
It's not that I am incapable of stance dancing, it's just if I'm dying due to making a blatant mistake all I'm doing is using a crutch and playing sub-optimally
mighty valley
it's weird to call one of our very normal defensive tools a crutch
round pendant
I just think there's literally zero point in losing damage to mitigate damage that you don't need to mitigate
I'd agree if it made the fight significantly easier on me or my healers, but it's a heroic boss, man.
crude notch
Well then
Stop being shit?
There's the advice you wanted to hear my friend.
Since you didn't want to hear anything else from anyone else.
Maybe learn how to do your rotation and stop being shit.
round pendant
Just because I don't necessarily agree on when to stance dance doesn't mean I ignored criticism lmao
I literally said presuming the flaming slash wasn't a spell was dumb
round pendant
pog
mighty valley
we could get real pedantic around damage optimization: you're taking a chunk of damage you didn't need to which is stealing a global from a healer that could've been damage
round pendant
That's true but unless you wanna run those numbers (or show me where someone has) I still believe it's not worth using dstance unless it's very impactful (preventing death or if your healers are already very stressed)
There's very few places in this game imo where your other mitigation tools aren't MORE than enough to save your ass
I used stance dancing for certain things in m+ like that bird boss and the RLP one
and a few other places
well maybe not the RLP one, I don't really remember it was so fucking long ago now lmao
Point is, there's places where it felt impactful af and I'm happy using it there, I just don't see using it as a crutch in a fight where I'm simply fucking up is a good idea
topaz raptor
round pendant
probably all of em since it frees up an embellishment
mighty valley
lariat ain't what it used to be unless you've got sockets all over your gear
use one of these and craft something else with a shadowflame patch
nocturne spindle
So because that was an actually interesting thought
I checked and a healer log did 3 casts of moon fire and they did 228k
So 76k per cast
So if the d stance saves even one healer global it's theoretically worth about 76k damage
round pendant
well then I only have to hit a 760k shield slam to make up for it 
I miss legion for the 1m+ crits, I only played arms back then tho
crude notch
i'm more concerned with your screen res
crude notch
did you turn the ol classic graphics option on?
lusty grotto
feels like a phone screenshot
cinder nova
There ya go piss your pants less you apes
cinder nova
south zealot
lol i was looking st the spec tree and was like this is fine
mighty valley
same i was about to be like "this just looks like season 1 single target, don't see the big deal" and then
oh
oh no
mighty valley
well, you won't have to go very hard to beat this person
cinder nova
I'll be honest
lusty grotto
its ridiculous
cinder nova
I wish ShW spec was more meta in ST
You could get some really big slaps
It was chonky fun
sick sentinel
in the summer i turn on 1 graphics so shit don't over heat
just 1 graphics all season
lusty grotto
huh
warm plinth
So if the d stance saves even one healer global it's theoretically worth about 7...
Yeah a whole 42 dps over the course of a dungeon
cinder nova
For once I agree with yogi. I keep my stuff undermarked so it performs better while I multitask on my other monitors
Plus my room gets no breeze
lusty grotto
thats certainly a yogi take
wow is cpu intensive so its not gonna blast heat to your gpu
for the most part
nocturne spindle
Yeah a whole 42 dps over the course of a dungeon
I mean I don't think either way is significant. I was just wondering what the theoretical trade off of one healer global to 3 seconds of -10% tank damage would be
lusty grotto
but shit guys, if youre having heat issues you might need to consider better airflow
well not that it matters if youre in a closed room but yea
cinder nova
Airflow isn't the problem yeah
lusty grotto
it matters for yogi's take overheating
cinder nova
Just really shitty room airflow
And regardless if it's coming off my CPU or my GPU the sink is getting the heat wicked off it by the flow and it ends up filling my bedroom
nocturne spindle
Look at this rich man has an actual house
lusty grotto
ngl this summer has been ridiculously bad also
crude notch
should i celebrate US Independence Day by ordering Mexican food?
lusty grotto
should i celebrate US Independence Day by ordering Mexican food?
yes
toxic pewter
should i celebrate US Independence Day by ordering Mexican food?
wat u gonna get
lusty grotto
fuck now i want mexican food
valid finch
hello happy 4th, was wondering if or what i should macro berserking with
toxic pewter
get some chips and guac
crude notch
wat u gonna get
mexican food, dipshit
toxic pewter
lmao
crude notch
toxic pewter
dip does sound kinda good
crude notch
i had to
lusty grotto
get some chips and guac
that's not enough