i helped you get to the forbidden reach the other day and this is how you repay me?
#protection
real kelp
sick sentinel
i helped you get to the forbidden reach the other day and this is how you repay ...
i used to watch this guy open magic boxes on youtube, still do
and when he was doing this box and would open this card (which was a horrible value) he would call it the lavaclaw reacharound
so i call that place the forbidden reacharound as joke
daring marlin
LMAOOOOOOOOO
daring marlin
i helped you get to the forbidden reach the other day and this is how you repay ...
Helpful jordan, unappreciated.
uneven mason
I swear I heal dungeons just so I can collect these
cinder nova
I swear I heal dungeons just so I can collect these
waxen vale
i had some DPS call me a coward and inist i pull the whole room in halls , saying u can skip a dragon pack with shroud. I thought theey had tru sight, but they said with soothe you can
well we never got that far for me to find out, but can you skip that?
uneven mason
wait that was final boss, let me show you overall.
sick sentinel
i only invis pot in lair after boss 1, IF YOU'RE NOT FIGHTING YOU'RE NOT EATING!
mostl due to gaps in knowledge
echo egret
interesting healer - doesn't heal me on razor shards and says it's my fault for not saving cds
kind urchin
Hmmm. That's a lot of whirlwind.
sick sentinel
how come there is a pulldown for ww
echo egret
Did they stealthbuff Reverberating Slam ? I can't outrange it anymore
daring marlin
interesting healer - doesn't heal me on razor shards and says it's my fault for ...
Razor shards?
on rokmora?
sick sentinel
oh, im googling reverberating slam
i think rokmora also does a slam and a smash or something
it all sorta runs together
nocturne spindle
trash razor shards
rokmore you just walk out
if you died to the rokmora one then its on you
echo egret
trash razor shards
This
echo egret
oh, im googling reverberating slam
That's the Ironsmiths in Neltharus next to 3rd boss... you could outrun theis dangerous attack
twin bramble
Anyone know which classes can take off the irontide officer oiled blade in freehold?
hazy bronze
Magic dispel, specifically
twin bramble
u can also SR it
Thanks! Spell reflect before it hits?
jagged pier
ye
mellow bridge
you can also dwarf racial it if you play dwarf
twin bramble
Thanks!
It’s been a great push week, but hoi and ulda still kicking my butt.
When you range dragons in hoi, do you pull them from one wall to the other, back from where you came, or down the hall at risk of butt pulling next group?
jagged gust
What particularly about hoi?
twin bramble
I have no idea lol. Started this week with 0 portals and got 6. Hoi crushing me.
Well. Mainly the dps in my pugs.
jagged gust
3rd pack is not an issue obvs, if you communicate with your group you can pull them back uphill with zero risk
twin bramble
Do you ask them to get behind the dragon? I keep asking to keep the left wall clear and someone dies every time lol
Behind meaning further down the hall so I can range it from where we came?
jagged gust
Yeah range it into the room, then second pack have them side step and you lure it uphill, it's only a little hectic with the aoe the geomancer guy does, cant remember his title, but after first cast the issue fixes itself as you'll start to distance the pack
dont necessarily have to range it, can do the same for the first as the second
twin bramble
Not range it? Meaning just eat it with spell reflect up?
jagged gust
Oh I meant range pull so you have more room to work with, sorry for the confusion
dry spear
we are going to progress on zskarn tonight. is spellblock any helpful?
or just blastwave and embers?
jagged gust
dry spear
yes. was watching at this. may something changed. but ok.
sick sentinel
meanwhile in monk discord.....
crude notch
% isn't what matters it's the actual rating that will determine the DR, but in short, no.
daring marlin
jordan should I be a lazy, cheap bitch and just make lariat and frost belt on dk?
crude notch
Follow the heart of the cards, yugi
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8TrIwToqMcM no longer meta, but one of the coolest cards all of yugioh
i know boomer yugioh not zoomer
delicate coral
my crit rating is 5389
sick sentinel
thats pretty good, you start to lose 10% of rating past 5400
True Stat Value if u want the addon
delicate coral
i like that
daring marlin
that drake is so cool
jagged gust
You guys ever have healers that decide healing is a combat only action?
Like my past 2 runs, half of us would be sitting at 50% hp after some random fight, and just wouldn't heal anybody until the next pull
strong forum
healer doesnt understand the concept that engaging combat with low HP results in alot of casualties
jagged gust
I actually died because they wouldn't heal the hulk dot after combat, full mana
okay I actually only went down to 10% with SW and both health pots, but still
sick sentinel
you guys ever have it happen you go to zone into a dungeon and it doesnt load
and then once you get on everyone in the group is also dc
jagged gust
Past couple days yeah
jagged gust
At first it was just FH for me, had reports it was happening in NL, but sometimes it's even happening when hearthing now
Actually it just happened rn, took the port from dal to org, stuck in loading screen, gonna be disconnected in a couple of minutes
zealous turret
i have a question , sorry if its redundant . last spot in a windfury party is between me a prot warr and a ret with Ashkandur . whats better for Mythic raid progress and do i get anything as a prot warrior outside of more dps. the ret claims that bloodmallet dsnt factor in his sword. ty in advance and hope its not in the wrong section
sick sentinel
haven't been taking note of any potential blooddrinkers armor girls in keys yet
cuz thats been out for a day now
im expecting to see tons of it later this week tho
jagged gust
Yogi's feelin' thirsty
daring marlin
haven't been taking note of any potential blooddrinkers armor girls in keys yet
Next month
sick sentinel
oh they delayed it
still fossil
i have a question , sorry if its redundant . last spot in a windfury party is be...
https://bloodmallet.com/chart/windfury_totem don't know how old this is but they usually are up to date
daring marlin
https://bloodmallet.com/chart/windfury_totem don't know how old this is but they...
He knows. He even added that the ret said "bloodmallet doesn't take into account wf totem"
er his sword
still fossil
I think the ret is trying to swindle his way in.. and should probably sim himself with and without windfury to prove his claims
crude notch
You guys ever have healers that decide healing is a combat only action?
What healer
daring marlin
i have a question , sorry if its redundant . last spot in a windfury party is be...
Explain to the ret that he's wrong because they're using ONE single setup for the sims
TLDR the ret is actually super dumb
crude notch
Damn Guilford ain't havin none of it
chilly brook
TLDR the ret is actually super dumb
It’d be nuts to see ret gaining 2k more dps from a sword from windfury
strong forum
classic move of a dps tryna steal tanks WFT
drifting mountain
https://bloodmallet.com/chart/windfury_totem don't know how old this is but they...
if they are playing Crusading Strikes WFT also does absolutely nothing for them, either way it is very minor for ret
sick sentinel
yeah well
chilly brook
classic move of a dps tryna steal tanks WFT
BuT yOuRe A tAnK nOt A dPs
clever stirrup
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8TrIwToqMcM no longer meta, but one of the cooles...
Dayum
sick sentinel
i'd want a faster weapon attack speed TOO if my only weapon was a 2 hand that swings at 3.60 seconds
strong forum
isnt it 2.6 in retail
3.6 was in classic where you literally went to take a piss between AAs
chilly brook
I still remember being on a raid team with a shaman who made a huge deal about never giving/being willing to give a prot warrior WFT
still fossil
sick sentinel
what was the crux of his argument why not
strong forum
yeah lets not give one of the best specs for WFT their buff cuz the spec icon is a shield and not a sword
chilly brook
Literally wouldn’t listen to me about prot being one of the biggest dps gains
Like actively got pissed
strong forum
its the same argument as giving beacon to a dps over a tank
jagged pier
I still remember being on a raid team with a shaman who made a huge deal about n...
i had to sim myself and all the melee dps with and without WFT to show that the raid got more dps out of it on me
disregarding the denfensive benefits
chilly brook
It’s silly how often people discount tanks
daring marlin
i had to sim myself and all the melee dps with and without WFT to show that the ...
That's insane to me lol
Bloodmallet literally goes by bis profiles
jagged pier
they were puting like a dh that got 1k then me 4k hmm ones more damage for the raid
toxic pewter
wat every1 doin
crude notch
DK keys let's go
glacial venture
whats the easiest dungeon for prot warrior
jagged pier
freehold
glacial venture
why
south zealot
almost all damage is physical/blockavle
blockable
the other damage is easily kickable or dodgeable
jagged pier
apart from ulda like all the dungeons are pretty easy tbh
glacial venture
im noob at tanking
toxic pewter
yeah uldaman my most difficult dungeon
proper roost
everyone used to be a noob at tanking
twin bramble
I can’t time it for portal… just did a pug run with 1 wipe and 9 deaths and we still missed timer
proper roost
Best way to improve is just play more
If you barely wiped but did not time, it 90% of the time means you had routing issues
proper roost
Where was your first lust
twin bramble
1st pull
proper roost
Impossible to say without a replay but yes routing issues include just not pulling enough mobs at a time
twin bramble
Agreed.
I think my io is just too low (~2630). The groups that let me into to 20s are having some dps issues.
Have been doing my own key all week but stopped now that I’m down to missing 2 portals
proper roost
the dps requirement to time this season is really low and a nonfactor. wipes on uldaman can be a huge time waste
its really unlikely dps is ever an issue tbh
twin bramble
I mean showing which packs you pull together
proper roost
its more about the pacing of pulls on uldaman than the actual route
also I noticed people will kite really weirdly
a lot
twin bramble
Gotcha. Thanks!
proper roost
If u have spriest u have to be very consistent with your movement or else youre gonna make em miss shadow crash and therefore do no damage for like 20 seconds
uldaman fort is a pretty big kite dungeon at times so
crude notch
Kanga acting like everyone has a pocket spriest
((For legal purposes, this was a joke please no shouting))
proper roost
well they probably do have a spriest in their group this season
twin bramble
lol
proper roost
but its true for lock too tbf
twin bramble
I just pug unfortunately. Too hard to coordinate with baby aggro
proper roost
theres a lot of destro locks hanging out in 20s
crude notch
well they probably do have a spriest in their group this season
idk wym 😛
sick sentinel
crude notch
The fact that 38% of all dps title holders rn are SPriest just kills me.
That means on average every title range key has one.
twin bramble
Hah. Yeah.
proper roost
two weeks ago I had a guy kite mobs behind pillars
sick sentinel
RIP dk
proper roost
like every single pack
and he just said "just follow" when i said can u stop kiting around pillars
poor boomkin was like dip dodge weaving around pillars just to get his casts off
man was actually LoSing our own dps
sick sentinel
hes not wrong but its a bit cave man
proper roost
what ilvl should i get on bdk to tank a heroic aberrus without being a giga rat
twin bramble
The fact that 38% of all dps title holders rn are SPriest just kills me. <:keks:...
Isn’t that 32%? Both are ridiculous. Does that mean every other group has 2 shadow priests? Lol? Or is my maths bad.
sick sentinel
if i can get the trinket, ill have something like +3.75% crit
strong forum
what ilvl should i get on bdk to tank a heroic aberrus without being a giga rat
410 should be plenty
vocal nimbus
good luck getting an invite with a 410 tho
strong forum
Nobody said anything about invite
uneven mason
Like, pretty sure a bdk could do it in explorer gear
uneven mason
Doing heroic with 15k dps
strong forum
The race to the bottom is fucking livid
toxic pewter
it me
uneven mason
The race to the bottom is fucking livid
proper roost
good luck getting an invite with a 410 tho
have friends
but yeah, the issue with being too low on bdk is
sometimes you just die
because you don't have enough hp lol
we have like 8 healer offspecs and both our tanks are despairge because they never get to play their dps alts lol
twin bramble
no theyre not all pushing with each other
Ah gotcha
crude notch
Isn’t that 32%? Both are ridiculous. Does that mean every other group has 2 shad...
?
33% would mean an average of 1 per group because you have 3 dps in a group 🙂
But also 38% of dps title holders are in fact SPriest, yes.
toxic pewter
Gross
crude notch
((I'd know, I made the graph. (: ))
uneven mason
1/20 groups run 2spriest
crude notch
Also, no.
proper roost
nerd ass
crude notch
As Kanga pointed out, having alts is a thing.
proper roost
yeah spriest isn't so good that you actually want two of them though. they have issues with defensives
uneven mason
True
crude notch
gotta imagine hpal becoming meta is a feels good for spriests.
uneven mason
Don't they have one of the best non invincibility defensive with dissipate
crude notch
Dispersion
toxic pewter
Are those needs to shadow priest aoe in 10.1.5 gonna change anything you think
proper roost
ok well you see the thing is
the vast majority of dps don't do 0 dps for 6 seconds when they press their defensive cd
crude notch
Rumor has it not being able to press buttons during your defensive is actually not a good defensive.
toxic pewter
Or is their mass dispell/ other utility what making them strong
proper roost
and the one that does is dogshit tier also
(hunter)
the actual defensive for spriest that they're "balanced" around is their selfhealing which is laughable
they also have 10% fade and desperate prayer which are both just not that good
but it's not like, SL survival hunter levels of glass cannon
crude notch
The difference between Turtle and Dispersion though are pretty funny
proper roost
yeah actually being able to immune debuffs being put on you kinda owns it turns out
crude notch
I wonder
proper roost
when it's applicable anyway
crude notch
Would they trade the ability to immune
for 75% DR instead of 30% DR.
Although very rarely do you use turtle for the DR, but you might if it was like dispersion at 75%.
Anyways, yeah, Dispersion not too great.
valid heart
Hey guys, anyone know who the orbs on rashok works?
i thought they should spawn in a 45 degree angle
sick sentinel
yeah, exactly the same issue as before
mint pike
how do you guys deal with the big rock guys in fort NL? That debuff is kind of insane
proper roost
just press a cd for every piercing shard
Plan accordingly
victory rush, healthstone, and health pot are cds
mint pike
does spell block reduce ticking dmg?
proper roost
there is a pinned sheet for spell block/spell reflect
jagged pier
only on sark does it stop dot damage
jagged gust
man was actually LoSing our own dps
I may have done something similar in a hoi earlier today 😬
strong forum
NL is a solid key to actually use a defensive trinket
Can rotate SW - splinter - SW for hulks
And pray its dead by then
proper roost
uh yeah usually new tanks are really bad at doing hoi
what you want to do is take the dragon and tank it in the middle area of two pillars
then your group can go to the safespot and stand still
generally bad tanks will take the safespot for themselves and force the entire group to dodge
it's actually way easier for prot warrior to facilitate this than any other tank since you can leap ahead and readjust positioning
jagged gust
My problem was more my dps was trying to kiss the dragon, so I had to mad dash to get the breath away from them while dodging whirly water
god I feel bad for that druid healer tho
sick sentinel
thats weird, every time i zone into lair in a group the group disconnects
jagged gust
It's odd that its something particular for everyone
sick sentinel
doesn't happen if im solo
jagged gust
Me and Kanga can't seem to get into FH, dunno if they've tried lately but I've given up on the zone
sick sentinel
fuck it
i bought stalker on steam
already died once in that game, guess ill try to figure it out again
jagged gust
Yeah third time today Ive DC'ed trying to zone into org from dal, fuck me learning lessons is hard
proper roost
it worked after reforming the group entirely
💀
I think it might be something to do with crossrealm fucking up
jagged gust
I think it might be something to do with crossrealm fucking up
This is what I get for trusting the alliance, it's BFA all over again
vestal cove
looking for some help, how do you deal with the dragons breath in HOI? really really struggling with it (pretty new to warrior)
vestal cove
whats the range?
proper roost
15 yards
vestal cove
worth a leap out or can it be ran?
jagged gust
can be ran
proper roost
but it's meant to be a tankbuster that you cd through
kind urchin
I just tank it. It's not that bad.
twin bramble
It's odd that its something particular for everyone
I got stuck on freehold load screen twice yesterday
twin bramble
33% would mean an average of 1 per group because you have 3 dps in a group 🙂
Yup. Dumb maths after realizing that all dps in that list lol
sick sentinel
you guys still having problems with dungeon, might give it another go
twin bramble
it's actually way easier for prot warrior to facilitate this than any other tank...
Can ranged shoot over the pillar? Or are you saying pull it behind them and let them go up to pillar?
waxen vale
Na breath is def that bad
Outrange gang every time
And it's so easy to range why would you sit through that
twin bramble
How much does it mitigate?
mighty valley
as much as your block%
coral reef
Yeah third time today Ive DC'ed trying to zone into org from dal, fuck me learni...
many ppl reporting to have issues with DCs and logins these days i cant login for 3 days already tried everything on earth besides reinstaling the game but this is just terrible...
twin bramble
Woof
crude notch
Haven't had any connection issues at all maybe y'all need to stop buying your internet and computer products from the dollar store maybe?
warm plinth
Addons don't cause connection problems. They aren't in effect until you log in.
jagged gust
Excuse me but I get my internet from Dollarama, not some cheap dollar store knockoff
warm plinth
waxen vale
Anyone ever look at the bloodmallet stat dist
I think its something like 40 hsl 40 crit 10 vers 10 mast
warm plinth
That sounds about what you'd want under optimal conditions.
But striving for that breakdown is just gonna be a headache
Because that profile uses optimal gear
lusty grotto
you're optimal
jagged gust
Dammit yogi cursed me, Dc'ing on NL now 😦
crude notch
I think its something like 40 hsl 40 crit 10 vers 10 mast
It's important to note those are proportions of your total secondaries.
lusty grotto
i just zoned into FH, no problems
warm plinth
I'd like to zone into your FH, if you know what I mean
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
id like to zone into whever the fuck mark does exist
cuz it dont on wow for me as a drop
fast knot
Ran a few to get mine on Champion path
next run with the guild warrior to get his and I get one on Hero and can't trade it
Now I'll have to go back to that hellscape for a Talisman to endure Experiments
jolly crystal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNmKAhabG4M
Computer over
Virus = very yes
That's not a good prize!
jagged gust
Tell em only other chimps are allowed to call me an ape, that's our word
lusty grotto
anyone see the hammer?
jagged gust
I call that the Hunter Classic(tm)
jolly crystal
lets look at that one again
What's that shield block timer?
lusty grotto
i edited one i found to fit naowh's
sick sentinel
running a +12 hold w for chance at mark dps:
lusty grotto
its stupid but in my old age i cant do the icon on nome's
so i grabbed one i found and edited it
jolly crystal
its stupid but in my old age i cant do the icon on nome's
Oh. I'm the same, I'd much rather have a wee bar to track uptime
lusty grotto
let me see if i can find the original
sick sentinel
that giant boulder dude is no joke on fort
don't fuck around find out about how powerful his boulder is, learned that many times in BFA
lusty grotto
https://wago.io/lARE3yZgW/3 @jolly crystal
sick sentinel
both the around him and the thrown one suck ass
lusty grotto
giant boulder dude does absolutely nothing
jolly crystal
<https://wago.io/lARE3yZgW/3> <@224502889731588096>
Legend, thanks very much
sick sentinel
yeah, if u avoid
sick sentinel
he hurts if he connects
warm plinth
Fucking dps man
sick sentinel
don't the knife jugglers don sme bullshit too?
warm plinth
They do ricocheting throw but it's fine because there's no other damage to the group
warm plinth
Just don't get hit...
lusty grotto
if he connects, the person it connected it to is an absolute bad
the only way he connects is if the harpooners pull someone in
jagged gust
Just don't get hit...
I just had a healer die in NL from standing in worm poop
That's just asking too much I think
sick sentinel
doesn't surprise me
wtf is the adds on that fighht
i just always ignore those adds they never seem to do anything
warm plinth
They make the boss do more damage if they get eateb
Nothing you really do anything about as the tank
If you have ranged dps they can start damaging them before they come down
jagged gust
oh no, not even the boss, just the trash worms
sick sentinel
just as soon as they spawn in bolt it or shockwave
warm plinth
The thing I always see dps get hit by is the frontal bile after they burrow
jagged gust
Oh the grub was a seperate incident... I don't even know how I missed it, but a grub summoned like 40 yards away, I mean it was outside of the entire boss room past the doorway, and we were already on the second pack
warm plinth
Don't worry they'll let you know they're there when you see a random DPS get yoinked 80 yards
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
i have your personal information now
and i am going to use it to hack into your email
sick sentinel
strong forum
is banned
sick sentinel
he crushes you
lusty grotto
you can stun them
strong forum
and the crusher existing there is basically a disaster waiting to happen
lusty grotto
but yeah i try to avoid him with harpooners
sick sentinel
i like to chain in crusher after pulling harpooners
once they already did thier things and hes patting to us
daring marlin
yuuuuup
sick sentinel
blue head band clashing with fire transmog, inexcusable
crude notch
big ug
torn gulch
so now we have 2 combos left on m+ affixes right?
volcanic/spiteful and entangling/bursting
sick sentinel
i wonder if dps will ever learn you can just, slow and continue dps on the spitefuls and everythings okay
and to not get melee by them
crude notch
spiteful is an affix that tanks have minimal interaction with.
warm plinth
Not everyone has enough control to be able to just CC and keep going
crude notch
ye
torn gulch
i can help the dps with spiteful if i have shockwave and fear but i normally prioritise them for actual stops on trash
warm plinth
Tbh I kinda think it's trolling when people don't have Hamstring bound if only for that affix
It's so easy to just swap to a spiteful and hamstring it
sick sentinel
only time to use hamstring over TC slow is like, for the dude in the market of streets
lasts longer, bigger effect
so, maybe UR bats too
warm plinth
TC slow is not even enough to kite anything
sick sentinel
well, that or i can spend 10 rage to deal 2100 dmg
warm plinth
How'd he manage that?
lusty grotto
didnt beam at all, knockback used once, was just pew pewing, d/c'd twice
warm plinth
Sick
lusty grotto
last d/c was just like well key might be dead
hardy snow
didnt beam at all, knockback used once, was just pew pewing, d/c'd twice
thats just what boomkins does, what would you expect?
lusty grotto
i keep telling my shammy friend to get 2 melees for UR
and he just doesnt want to
but thats another issue
crude notch
Back in my day
warm plinth
If only there were a way to remove the dot from everyone without mass dispel
crude notch
Spriest wasn't even thought of for ur
strong forum
priest didnt exist in bfa after s1
lusty grotto
i was like dude get a 2nd kick i know you have melee cd kick too but shit, these guys cant handle double defilers and/or worm + defilers if we have 2x caster kicks
yeah idk
i was like its not even tyrannical what does it matter
crude notch
priest didnt exist in bfa after s1
rip.
ocean yoke
If only there were a way to remove the dot from everyone without mass dispel
shame its impossible 😔
lusty grotto
and we had a ret pally for sporecaller
warm plinth
shame its impossible 😔
yeah big sadge
crude notch
Disc got nerfed every patch of BfA. Big lul.
strong forum
disc with anything was 
crude notch
Disc was doing infinite damage in raid while full healing anything
S1 BfA was wild.
Azerite armor was released without being fully tested
lusty grotto
any of you guys need a 21 UR on alts? or whatever?
crude notch
Uncapped bonestorm
That's when they wanted Disc to be a "support" and be 70% healer 30% DPS and it just was 100% healer 50% DPS.
strong forum
130% healer
maybe moar
but MW was also just stupid in 8.0
they did straight up infinite hps
crude notch
WotC MDI meta was hilarious
strong forum
best thing ever tbh
crude notch
If the MW is spinning ain't no one dying
strong forum
press crane, top DPS and do infinite hps for like 20seconds
its like current melee wings hpal
if wings are up? group is perma topped
lusty grotto
yeah i love avenging crusader
lusty grotto
agreed
sick sentinel
whenever i play healer is typically priest or shaman
those healers make sense to me, hpal a bit but i hate playing it, always did
violet flume
if wings are up? group is perma topped
get TOPPED
i think i saw too many 4chan memes lately sorry
i like hardcast heals
i played holy pal in wrath and i loved holy light spam and i was sad to see new holy pal is just dps and spend holy power
icy atlas
How often do you guys switch stances
I pretty much stay in battle unless I get in a hairy situation
violet flume
pretty much that
i go def stance if i feel like healer lets me drop low consistantly
or def stance for hard hitting as shit moments
havent done high M+ in s2 but in s1 jade temple 3rd boss was a good one for def stance
uneven mason
I pretty much stay in battle unless I get in a hairy situation
Defensive stance is another CD, press when pp slap incoming
orchid mural
i am finding at the 22 - 23 lvl that Dstance feels good on fort keys.
kind urchin
I use d stance when I need it. I love having stances back.
crude notch
🛑
vocal verge
D stance is good and all but make sure you’re using shield wall a lot and not over capping rage
And yeah 100% tank buster inc that is rashok caliber just switch it on and then back off once it’s over
Sark’s buster a lot because it reduces raid damage too
lusty grotto
you dont
in heroic
there's no reason to
i dont dstance anything in heroic
maybe zskarn if im dipping low and swap back
twin bramble
what are you guys lusting in HoI? first pull? 1st boss P2? 2 minibosses (doubt it)? last dragon pull? last miniboss? last boss?
proper roost
on fort weeks, you always want to lust as soon as possible
There isn't a single key this season at least in pug routes where you don't just lust the first pull on fort
twin bramble
k im 1 for 1
struggling the most between last dragon pull vs last miniboss vs last boss
proper roost
You don't really want to lust last boss unless it'll skip an entire transition
The 3 instances you listed are like 8 minutes apart
proper roost
Brother
it's fort
Lusting off cd is fine for literally all pug routes stop overthinking it
Plan cds better and kite dragon if you have issues with last pack (it's normal to)
twin bramble
your tips throughout the day have saved me
im not having issues there anymore
or anywhere. dps just dying
proper roost
You never want to delay a lust for that long
twin bramble
makes sense. thanks
proper roost
The HOI lust timer is just really not predictable. It's very different between key levels/routes because the first boss can take a very variable amount of time due to phase transitions
You shouldn't even have a lust be coming up for the dragon hallway unless you wiped a bunch of times or are doing a really low key and got there within 10 minutes of the start
twin bramble
or hold it like an idiot as ive been doing
sick sentinel
quick question, what should be the highest damage ability for doing a key?
jagged gust
Off the top of my head? Like 25% or so of total damage
or maybe 15-20, I'd have to peak at my logs
sick sentinel
so i'm probably doing something wrong if it's only 14%
jagged gust
no 15% is decent, I may be overestimating
crude notch
you're probably over thinking it
sick sentinel
rend is 12%, revenge 10 and thunderclap is 9%
nocturne spindle
or hold it like an idiot as ive been doing
Besides the breath the dragon isn't a big threat to you. Make sure your spell reflecting the icy cast the spellcasters do as that chunks you. Shockwave and stormbolt those as well
proper roost
crude notch
AHHHHHH
proper roost
it's only ok if your shield slam damage is exactly 20.58583% of your damage done
any more or less and you're doing it wrong. it's definitely not dependent on 50000 other factors
warm plinth
If you want feedback, we are happy to help. But you need to provide logs or it's literally all guesswork.
jagged gust
20.42069 ackshully
sick sentinel
i just want a range to see if i'm doing something wrong, new to tanking on anything
nocturne spindle
Devastate should be your highest damage and most cast
crude notch
i just want a range to see if i'm doing something wrong, new to tanking on anyth...
Well there's a lot of factors that would change the number.
this is like true
whether you're a tank
or a dps
or a healer
warm plinth
I can tell you that Shield Slam should be the top source of damage outside of maybe Freehold and Brackenhide depending on how big you pull. Other than that, there's not a specific percentage.
jagged gust
https://tenor.com/view/mark-wahlberg-crickets-crickets-chirping-silence-awkward-silence-gif-10849163
warm plinth
idk, I'm alright I suppose. Kind of a meh day but we are getting through it
how about you
warm plinth
I support you no matter what
cerulean tusk
Flash, huh. Aight
proper roost
that's so sweet
crude notch
you're so sweet
ocean yoke
This is how my day is going
crude notch
<:critcake:984549832511344640>
It's okay, we won. Even though he had least gold on the team
crude notch
lmao
lusty grotto
so we managed to turn around that nuked 22 UR
21 UR > 22 BH > 23 UR
now i have a 24 VP that we're fucking scared of simply because of the last pack
tame jasper
now i have a 24 VP that we're fucking scared of simply because of the last pack
The stars or the egypt-themed-ones (G20 afaik)?
crude notch
Yo let's go, nim out here gaming
lusty grotto
not in game right now, but the double executor pack
last stars shouldnt be hard and we can just pull the dumb 2nd dragon if my friend thinks he can heal it to skip 1st ones
but double executor will fucking hurt
tame jasper
Use CC, assign interrups, make use of the lightning shield snd ofc BL
lusty grotto
yeah so
not really worried about me and sham
the pug dps is the ones were worried of 😄
crude notch
Put me in coach
tame jasper
the pug dps is the ones were worried of 😄
Ah I see 😂
The three letter problem my mate and me also have all time 😦
lusty grotto
Put me in coach
would but its 
time, we'll see what we do tomorrow
proper roost
that pack is mostly just people unnecessarily panicking because it looks like there's a lot going on
but there isn't actually
people panic on that pack even in high keys
just have to do the two kicks, tank live, dps press defensives
press lust
tank live is the hardest part tbh
one fun bait u can do is, the servants always charge the furthest person so
if the healer just stands like max range on the other side of the grounding field
your damage intake is gonna be way lower
since the servants are like 80% of the tank killers in that pack (and the previous one too)
lusty grotto
now that i think about it
proper roost
and tank die is like 90% of the issue
ionic fern
Just survive.
lusty grotto
arent all charges this season to the farthest player?
ionic fern
proper roost
um couldn't tell you but all i can say is the damage intake is very different based on the servant baits
proper roost
basically what kills you on that pack is the servants do an instant cast strike ability that does like
idk, like 1.5m pre armor probably
so you want to desync those
lusty grotto
yea, and instant cast so cant really intervene
lusty grotto
oh i thought you were talking about the charge
proper roost
They don't do anything on anyone else the charge is bugged or some shit and never actually does anything
lusty grotto
yeah yeah i see what youre saying
proper roost
If you have the time you definitely want to CC one of the servants but not really a good play imo, better is just to have the healer bait thing
and still hard focus the caliphs and make sure you have a strong slow on the servants
lusty grotto
sure strike right?
proper roost
Yes
lusty grotto
proper roost
Idk exactly how much it does on other tanks but on a 22 fort the other week I had it hitting my bdk for like 800k each lol
proper roost
yeah so ~900k pre mitigation on tyr
lusty grotto
lets see
proper roost
So even when its kiting in like what I said
you want to stormbolt one
or like slow one and not the other
lusty grotto
right
proper roost
so they dont reach you simultaneously
the servants are the real run killers there, not the caliphs
you can live like 2 or 3 combined caliph aoes in a row with group cds, but usually the tank runs out of cds and then dies to servants because servants like
Either you fully ignore them and didn't realize this mechanic exists
or they oneshot you
lusty grotto
i didnt even know this was a thing tbh
good thing you mentioned it
thanks Kanga, ill mention it to my friend tomorrow
warm plinth
now i have a 24 VP that we're fucking scared of simply because of the last pack
If only you could skip it 
lusty grotto
yeah
crude notch
the real play is do all the rest of the trash in the dungeon, skip that pack but come back to it after you kill asaad
🧠
warm plinth
Another pro strat is to bring a priest and have them dominate an adept from the previous pull. Not only is it good for the last pack but it's good for boss too
lusty grotto
yeah that would be rough with pugs
but our SP just came back so we will see
apparently was out of state
lusty grotto
☑️
proper roost
u should be way more afraid of the first ramp
there is zero way to deal with bad charge rng
if you manage to finish first ramp without deaths rest of the key should be free
warm plinth
what jump
I'm still salty you can't trap the gust soldiers tbh
I mean you can but they still put the dot on you 😠
dry spear
Can prot palas block the dot from zskarn with that holy shield talent?
vocal nimbus
Nothing is blockable in zskarn
Aside from plain melees
Well, the pushback can be spellblovcked but thats trivial
jolly crystal
pushbacks are just an excuse to charge and get some free rage
twin bramble
I’m trying to push the last few portals I’m missing so I compiled all of the dungeon difficulty data through 8 weeks. Figured I’d share in case it helps anyone out. Took summation of each week using points 1 for S, 2 A, 3 B, 4 C, 5 D, and 6 F. I know this data is most applicable for higher keys, but it looks directionally correct. Note that data is skewed for dungeons with nerfs since the week happened.
sick sentinel
i feel like lair is super easy with a brain having group
twin bramble
My conclusion for the three portals I’m missing: 1. Get FH and HOI during tyrannical. 2. I’m screwed from ulda 😂
sick sentinel
don't stand in front of melee mobs, don't stand in cave in, kick shit, ah, we won
twin bramble
Yeah yogi, that’s the one thing that’s been consistently different in my experience vs the data. I find NL so easy. Almost as easy as UR. And I find FH a lot harder than the data shows. Mainly because FH has mainly avoidable damage for high keys, but in the 16-20 range, pug peeps can’t avoid it. Haha
sick sentinel
making money from engineer bundles of fire works, might have to try that agani tomorrow being 4th july
hazy bronze
Travelers log
sick sentinel
thing is, ALL of the like, 7 bundles of fire works i opened and lsited on AH sold
RN only the fireflgihts sold from current operations, im hoping the rest sell due to july 4th
gleaming knoll
Heya, im about to hit 70 - looking at the guild the best places to spend sparks on is Weap - Shield - Special Belt - Shadowflame Patch item, in that order, right?
hazy bronze
Shield first
sick sentinel
sheld first, probably embellishments as first 2 crafts
then food buff, then pepega
gleaming knoll
Alright ty <3
daring marlin
dk new main
kind urchin
Tips for mythic Forgotten Experiements
Need attack speed debuffs on the bosses.
daring marlin
cat unplugged router
plush tendon
no
actually.... consecration lets them block "harm periodic effects'
whether that counts... idk
hazy bronze
Real
remote venture
kind urchin
Prot pala is decently solid if you play it right.
lusty grotto
actually.... consecration lets them block "harm periodic effects'
they specifically asked about holy shield, not their mastery
plush tendon
yea; still thought it made sense to share where they can block magic damage dots
lusty grotto
either way this isnt Hammer of Wrath so
plush tendon
modern brook
its not?
modern brook
sure feels like hammer of wrath
crude notch
and also
that's not block
reading is hard i know
don't ping me with your low quality baits
plush tendon
jagged gust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp0AoE_gnSg
Have you heard Patrick singing Adele? It's hauntingly beautiful
sick sentinel
i prefer the trump sings ones personally 🙂
daring marlin
Just searched for this. Thanks, Ghash!
warm plinth
toxic pewter
feels like forever since saw entangling
daring marlin
I believe so
crude notch
yes
toxic pewter
nice now you can finally play the game
daring marlin
grats serj
twin bramble
Niceeee!!!!! @sick sentinel
Thanks! Bursting/storming/fortified was the easiest week so far. Entangling is easier than storming and tyrannical is pretty similar to fortified. Should be the best push week yet next week!
tidal nimbus
with the four set do you want to use last stand off cooldown?
jagged pier
yes
proper roost
when the sim says you get more dps from not running it
Or in approximately 8 days when it gets nerfed to the ground
hazy bronze
10.1.5 will almost certainly lead to a replacement
crude notch
nocturne spindle
freeee mythic+ damage boost patch
twin bramble
What ilevel gear is mega dungeon dropping?
proper roost
it doesn't drop at 441, otherwise it'd be myth track
at least some trinkets drop at 437
but i'm guessing that the drop ilvl goes up with later dungeon bosses
dusky canopy
YOGI POGGERS
twin bramble
Yeah that’s why I was asking. They’re going to make us decide between good 441s vs our 447s, aren’t they….
nocturne spindle
oo
does it give the same debuffs
like can you super stack shield slam damage reduction
sick sentinel
as long as "casts spells based on your role" doesn't mean he casts taunt for you being tank and gets the group meleed
cuz hes not at the right location
sand crest
prolly just spams int shout 🙂
sick sentinel
if thats the case im going into the future, into th egame
to delete it from being a possiblity of timelines
proper roost
there's like 7 other ones, the point was more to illustrate to dweebus that speculating that they drop at 5/8 champion is silly
since they've been dropping at hero track since the last round of dungeon revisions
Like a week ago or something
and now we're at release candidate for ptr and a week away so it almost certainly isn't changing
modern brook
Did I hurt you kanga
proper roost
wondering that myself, the word dweebus can be very painful.
modern brook
Just a lot of hostility over nothing
modern brook
L tbh
proper roost
well that explains a lot about your psyche ig
modern brook
You're acting very soft rn
daring marlin
You guys are funny
proper roost
Funny? Funny how, funny like a clown? Do I make you laugh?
jagged gust
Go get your fucking shinebox
daring marlin
Funny? Funny how, funny like a clown? Do I make you laugh?
proper roost
https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-gif-19267872
daring marlin
GREMLIN
toxic pewter
is that ur cat
dusky canopy
zzzzzzzzzzzz ate a whole 20 pack of taquitos waiting for a pug invite lmao
dusky canopy
LMAO
toxic pewter
daring marlin
zzzzzzzzzzzz ate a whole 20 pack of taquitos waiting for a pug invite lmao
hungryman
dusky canopy
Yee this boy can eat xD im enjoying it while i can because my dirty bulk is coming to an end time to cut
twin bramble
How do you guys kite the custodians in ulda? Run around the big room in circles inside (or outside?) of the pillars and never getting into melee to hit them?
dusky canopy
im blessed with a metabolism of a horse so i can get away with it mostly
im not an advanced lifter just your average gym bro lul
so im not to worried about it
daring marlin
🤝
tardy sequoia
evening, after the latest update should I stay in defensive or battle stance in m+?
shut summit
tardy sequoia
the mighty god Sense has replied to me! you know I've improved so much thanks to your videos (routes, priority, etc.)
daring marlin
I look forward to finishing the cut I'm on. 7-800 more cals of pure delicious carbs is gonna be gr8.
toxic pewter
still dont understand why battle-scarred veteren is proccing at like 50% health and crap
dusky canopy
it be dookie
toxic pewter
like as far as I can tell the other tank pseudo cheat deaths are working as intended
like its wildly inappropriate at this point
dusky canopy
theyre prob just like war is already op lets not fix the talent
toxic pewter
I mean paladin every day of the week they are at 50% dr
vocal nimbus
still dont understand why battle-scarred veteren is proccing at like 50% health ...
Veteran is bugged?
toxic pewter
Veteran is bugged?
its acted strange since dragonflight beta... i dunno if its working as intended or bugged but sometimes it just procs at like well over the 30% threshold it claims
nova cloak
how many %haste do i want as a prot
dusky canopy
400%
jagged pier
7100 rating
toxic pewter
is 7100 actually possible or wat
like what is highest someone can get right now if they wanted
hazy bronze
I believe with trinkets you can but the only haste one I know is from last season
oblique garnet
is 7100 actually possible or wat
daring marlin
speedylate
tardy sequoia
just a quick tip, how do you survive blazing slash from the qalashi warden in neltharus (the first two mobs)
lusty grotto
spell block
tardy sequoia
they take away a good chunk of your hps
lusty grotto
if spell block's down press spell reflect for the DR and/or demo or wall
you should be good for 2 swings with 1 spell block though
as in 4 total if 2 wardens
tardy sequoia
so now you talent spell block?
lusty grotto
read pins
lusty grotto
bottom of the first pinned message
tardy sequoia
i mean in place of it
lusty grotto
read 2nd pinned message lol
lusty grotto
but there's also a third option
tardy sequoia
which is?
lusty grotto
battering ram
its a dps drop though
so its something to consider
ideally, you drop punish on fort weeks
on nelth though, there aren't too many tank buster on bosses
so punish might be the call
you might have to play with all 3 options
depending on your key level, how big youre pulling, and if fort/tyr
early in the season i dropped bloodsurge, but it kinda felt bad, i have to try it again
strong forum
i put punish there as an option
but realistically, you never ever drop punish
and exclusively always only drop bloodsurge to get spellblock
cuz in all scenarios where you want spellblock, you also want punish
lusty grotto
thats true
lusty grotto
ive been exclusively dropping battering ram ngl
urban portal
except when its like 20 different guys bolting you
lusty grotto
gotta retry without bloodsurge
strong forum
bloodsurge is 7-12% of your rage gen overall depending on key, but on the largest pulls i can think of, its at best giving you like 2 extra IPs over the entire course of the pull
lusty grotto
without it super early it felt horrible
strong forum
BR wins against bloodsurge until 7 targets in raw dmg
urban portal
how about just raw rage gen
strong forum
hard to calculate
cuz logs themselves dont track how much rage you get from auto attacks
lusty grotto
i had to change a few things from recommended builds because most of the ilvl upgrades i had didnt have haste
strong forum
no thats the "being hit" part
lusty grotto
early on
urban portal
its on sims im sure
lusty grotto
now things are different
urban portal
just rage generated
toxic pewter
oh dang nice
urban portal
so you can just use that as a baseline
toxic pewter
how much rage does an auto attack even give? is it 3?
strong forum
depends on talents
toxic pewter
i see
toxic pewter
k
strong forum
2 baseline, 3 with WM, 4 with instigate
toxic pewter
is rage even considered in how battering ram is good
strong forum
ofc
thats why WFT is also really good defensively for us
and BR is also really good defensively
toxic pewter
oh dang never considered that
urban portal
autos really give only 2?
strong forum
but because we have devastator + wild strikes + battering ram
shit stacks up quite alot really quickly
urban portal
yeah in sims you can just see gain/loss per second
except top gear doesnt split up by gear set
which is kind of aids
toxic pewter
is there a world where instigate ever worth it in m+
strong forum
no
toxic pewter
ok
urban portal
theater of pain
strong forum
vp you mostly have 5mob pulls
toxic pewter
ok
strong forum
but VP id honestly just go full ST build
optimising for any kind of aoe is trolling imo
vocal nimbus
and almost all pulls have high prio targets
tardy sequoia
for which mobs is useful spell block in uldaman?
strong forum
Most of the bosses, hail of stone, Thunderclap
And some other things can't remember at the top of my head
tardy sequoia
i see because man beyond 17/18 the wardens two-shot you in neltharus with slash
dusky canopy
in nelt you can use SpB for that
tardy sequoia
what is SpB?
tardy sequoia
eh that's what I was talking about
tardy sequoia
also, the tiger mobs in the end of VP, do you need to go in the electric triangle or stay out?
i knew you stay in until the big one casts
tardy sequoia
so basically almost never as a tank
modern brook
You should be tabking them right outside the Triangle so if melee gets targeted they can still dps
That's about the extent of the tanks interaction with that mechanic short of " don't tank them in it"
strong forum
so basically almost never as a tank
Literally can't Land on you unless everyone else is already dead
south zealot
so basically almost never as a tank
only if everyones dead
and if everyones dead key is dead 
probably
uneven mason
Which in VP on fort isn't too far outside of the realm of probability
tardy sequoia
only if everyones dead
lusty grotto
i see because man beyond 17/18 the wardens two-shot you in neltharus with slash
weird, i ran a 20 for vault this week and forgot to swap to spell block and i didnt have issues
2 days ago in fact
warm plinth
Yeah you have plenty of time in between slashes to get healed up since they can't cast simultaneously now
dusky canopy
can they not cast back to back?
warm plinth
No, they have like 2-3 seconds in between
mellow bridge
so basically almost never as a tank
You can also reflect lightning lash if it ever casts on you
warm plinth
@ionic fern idk where you been at but ily
daring marlin
Payday 3 👀
dusty jetty
warm plinth
Bad. If you drop that low, you done fucked up
lusty grotto
24 nuked because a cloudburst went off lmao
