i dont see and issue there as uve goen and done it yes easier and more ppl have done stuff on the classic servers than back in the day
#protection
jagged pier
pallid quiver
It would be really nice if we could scale down to do content, but there also lies the issue of how many people would actually do that old content, since one of the main ways people do the old content is from it being roulette queues and all driven by new players going into old content
jagged pier
but evergreen stuff in FF is easier that it was when it first came out anyway
and no one there seems to care
pallid quiver
sometimes
depends on if people remember the party wipe mechanics :L
south zealot
thats just like factually not true
jagged pier
look they could pretty easily i think scale old nax down to 10 man and scale it for current stuff for instance
but it would still be easy
theres like 1 mechanic in the whole place
south zealot
people have clearly shown old content is fucking essy
easy
the game gets harder and harder as people get better
pallid quiver
Yeah, I think they could likely scale it if they put the effort, not gonna lie
I'm just not sure if it's viewed as worth it going back to implement it. I don't have any idea how many people would be interested enough to make it a worthwhile long time investment
FF14 had the benefit of being able to make its content scale and implement systems for it early on, so it became part of public conscious
south zealot
i dont like the idea of bringing back fated
or anything like it where u go back to older raids
pallid quiver
I know people yell loudly about evergreen content and all, but I just... don't actually know how many people would be legitimately interested
south zealot
maybe they could do it but idk i dont see it being great content
pallid quiver
sometimes
depends on if people remember the party wipe mechanics :L
also with this i'm mostly jabbing at all the people I've seen get pillar crushed in one of the alliance raids in FF14 after Stormblood passed
10/10 best fight, just get to see people fall over dead
crude notch
fwiw that's also true in wow people still wipe to dumb shit doing leveling dungeons so
pallid quiver
but it's not as funny as seeing a giant pillar just slowly drop on someone and then they just die
jagged gust
Well it's FF, don't you guys regularly summon mythical beasts and gods to do 500 damage to a mob? I'd probably look at a pillar and think its a featherduster
pallid quiver
they're really big pillars
crude notch
your hyperfixation on these pillars seems unhealthy
jagged gust
big pillars, Jordan
pallid quiver
That same mechanic did kill a lot of people while it was relevant content, too; the pillar would get cut in a certain way, then eventually fall in a direction according to the cut. It's an alliance raid, though, so there' 24 people instead of the usual 8 and is scaled to be puggable, so you can still work around it
jagged pier
I'm just not sure if it's viewed as worth it going back to implement it. I don't...
its qutie worth while actually, it allows old players that didnt join till later to do it, and new players who want to go back and 'experience' the old stuff with a 'slight' chanllenge
seems worth to me
but wow engine is ass
pallid quiver
I mean worth on Blizz's end
jagged pier
so who knows
pallid quiver
To me, 100% worth, to most players, worth even if they don't engage
But Blizz needs some kinda of good gain off the effort, and I just don't know how much gain they'd get for the pain effort
crude notch
Suddenly a slight buff to Lich King makes it so everyone crashes in Valdrakken
jolly crystal
~~That same mechanic did kill a lot of people while it was relevant content, too...
Are you thinking of Slice in the gold saucer 😄
hardy snow
look they could pretty easily i think scale old nax down to 10 man and scale it...
we already had refurbished naxx, I hope we wont have to raid it as current content for third time 
jagged pier
i think your mis understanding the conversation
warm plinth
I assume this is more for like a current experience that rewards like, cosmetics
jagged pier
yes there was no mentions of making anything required
warm plinth
They're not gonna be like here's 2 raids at the same time, go do them
did not know lock pets could have chinese names lol
*on NA client
jagged pier
They're not gonna be like here's 2 raids at the same time, go do them
well like FF, if what im saying all raid available the old ones still give a challenge but u just get cosmetics for doing them
but FF was designed with evergreen in mind
warm plinth
Yeah I like that
jagged pier
so u learnt certains things at certain lvls etc so scaling u back to what u were at the time is much easier
as u just lock off spells
not like wow where u had different systems etc
tardy sequoia
do you think is it worth using the onyx annulet even in 10.1 with much higher ilvl ring already equipped?
jagged pier
tardy sequoia
no I don't have it, just read on icyveins that it's worth getting it even in 10.1 so I was wondering if it was even worth doing the questline leading to it
jagged pier
well we are in 10.1 now
and it is
10.1.5 maybe not
the guide wont be updated with that info yet
tardy sequoia
I see thanks
undone verge
the real question is should I drop frostfire belt when they nerf erranog ring and I dont use it anymore
jagged pier
well u sim
but frostfire or x2 shadowflame still likely the best
dont think they are up to date yet tho
sick sentinel
some of these lower keya im running am runjng them with 2 rings instead of annulet
sleek echo
Why? do you have an annulet?
dusky canopy
proper roost
Hell yeah
daring marlin
might as well get used to it now
Gettin' used to having stats again hell yeah
crude notch
Heck now I'll go back to doing no damage because I'm not getting carried by BP.
crude notch
True I could use that on my 🐻
crude notch
Purge all hunters
remote venture
Hunter weapon ;)
sick sentinel
i fucking love hunters when their pets don't pull extra
very versatile damage dealer
still, champion is 437 vs hero is 441
and you still need to run 16s for the crest
proper roost
Not a drogbar rocks enjoyer
hardy snow
ilvl number doesnt matter
pew pew number matters
true raven
Any trick to dealing with the stacks on mythic experiments? we're particularly getting clapped during when the 2nd boss has like <30% hp and we're dealing with the 3rd boss. seems the 3rd boss attack speed is much faster.
proper roost
is your raid group using all 3 attack speed slows?
DKs have insidious chill, rogues have numbing poison, and warlocks have curse of weakness
should have it on all the bosses, very easy to maintain all 3.
only the rogue and dk need to tab target occasionally
true raven
ok i think we're at 2/3 but will check logs to make sure DK is using chill
proper roost
it's not a dps loss for any of them minus the dk, and DKs suck on that fight anyway (like all melee)
true raven
it's not a dps loss for any of them minus the dk, and DKs suck on that fight any...
if a small dps loss keeps the tanks from getting giga clapped it's worth it lol
hardy snow
dont forget to use def stance for last few seconds before clearing
true raven
dont forget to use def stance for last few seconds before clearing
tyty
hardy snow
if a small dps loss keeps the tanks from getting giga clapped it's worth it lol
of course, but almost none of dps DKs would do that by themself, you have to check and order them to do so
true raven
of course, but almost none of dps DKs would do that by themself, you have to che...
such is the way of life for dps bois
proper roost
Usually people are just missing debuffs
You just need to doublecheck that and you should realistically have it for the entirety of the instance moving forward. it's mostly just really big for experiments and zskarn
but doesn't hurt to have on rashok etc either
true raven
that makes sense. should realistically be required. I'll comb logs once i'm back home since it's blocked at work
sick sentinel
is your raid group using all 3 attack speed slows?
buffs in warcraft used to be serious business https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR4lLzpKEvE
olive bay
Where are you guys lusting in HoI this week? RIO says 1sts pull, last 3 bosses
but there's no way you can lust on Frog and it'll be up by Ice Queen
sick sentinel
i know a ton about dungeons, but not lust, i do not play lust classes, or well i don't play them well
i just do normal man lust for everything, on first boss, then on CD on bosses, and for final
olive bay
Fair, that's kinda what I'm thinking too
My bff is a healer and her and I have gotten 5 portals now. We have HoI, Ulda, and VP left
We're trying to plan out the last 3 dungeons now to make it as easy as possible
hardy snow
Where are you guys lusting in HoI this week? RIO says 1sts pull, last 3 bosses
I prefer last two packs before first boss (on tyra p2 on 1st boss), then frog and last one if its not yet available on ice bitch, if its not up yet on frog, then it goes on ice bitch
sick sentinel
mostly im doing 15s acros all time, or i should be doing 15s and 17s right now, i do the KSM thing and not the portals or hero
olive bay
16s - that gives you upgraded 447 GV loot
After we get our portals we don't really care about pushing
sick sentinel
i should be doing 17s for hero track drop and crest
just, thats 3 levels higher than any key ive done so far, free hold doesnt count
i could do that on a 20
hardy snow
Do you double pull those?
no, but on bl first of these two melts before BL ends, so I chain pull next one
after orbs are dead its quite ok to chain next pack
but tell your group about the plan 😄
modern brook
Where are you guys lusting in HoI this week? RIO says 1sts pull, last 3 bosses
you lust 3rd boss and 10m before 3rd boss
sick sentinel
i hate mists
hardy snow
just, thats 3 levels higher than any key ive done so far, free hold doesnt count
its okay to farm easier dung on higher lvl for better gear/crests and then attempt harder ones on higher lvl
modern brook
gulping gary doesnt need a lust just people who know how to deal with the frogs
sick sentinel
mists drives me nuts
modern brook
last boss is also non-threatening, just dont stand in shit
sick sentinel
its not even bad dungeon, i just cannot stand it like some people can't stand gnomeron
warm plinth
The heck does Mists have to do with anything
modern brook
:chatting:
hardy snow
gulping gary doesnt need a lust just people who know how to deal with the frogs
you can say similar about ice bitch boss - just need healer pumping and people properly handling ice sipkes
modern brook
you can say similar about ice bitch boss - just need healer pumping and people p...
the difference is frogs is positioning and ice queen is throughput
lust helps with one of those
olive bay
you can say similar about ice bitch boss - just need healer pumping and people p...
Unfortunately most healers are blowing CDs on the ice dot from the dragons so they are dry going into the boss
sick sentinel
thinking about how old dungeons are easy, i was thinking, i could probably run theatre of pain again
and then i remembered mists is easier
olive bay
I could run all of the SL dungeons again, honestly.. I didn't hate any of them
daring marlin
yogi idk how you handle pugging with people in the range that you do
clowns don't even cc incorp
bold bolt
noob question. can evokers CC the Incorporeal thing?
bold bolt
tyvm!
olive bay
noob question. can evokers CC the Incorporeal thing?
Every class has the ability this week
proper roost
Where are you guys lusting in HoI this week? RIO says 1sts pull, last 3 bosses
During fort weeks, you always want to try to find a place to lust as soon as possible, and you generally want to lust trash
olive bay
Not everyone takes it (like us)
sick sentinel
clowns don't even cc incorp
:prayge:
proper roost
It'll just really depend on your timer. in high HOI forts i've seen people using their 3rd lust on the dragon hallway iirc
olive bay
During fort weeks, you always want to try to find a place to lust as soon as pos...
Yeah, I know. RIO says 1st pull (so I guess they triple it)
Then they go straight after the 1st boss not let and lust there
proper roost
I mean you just kind of have to look at your timer for fort weeks
lust boss is good, lust dragons is good
bold bolt
Every class has the ability this week
warrior fear too right?
proper roost
lust the trash before frog boss is fine
daring marlin
It'll just really depend on your timer. in high HOI forts i've seen people using...
pat+a pack good lust spot
or last pack
spooooooky
modern brook
warrior fear too right?
only with menace
proper roost
As long as the fight in question takes 40s or longer
the lust is fine just send the lust
olive bay
warrior fear too right?
Fear isn't 20s so that's not 100%. Our only 100% clear is the shield throw
proper roost
the incorps last for 15s, not 20
modern brook
Fear isn't 20s so that's not 100%. Our only 100% clear is the shield throw
w/ menace its 15s which is enough
olive bay
I thought it was 20s, whoops
proper roost
even if incorps lasted 20s, a 15s fear would be enough
modern brook
if u want to not be reliant on your team yeah sure
if u trust em let them
you get like evrey 4th spawn at best
bold bolt
thx guys
proper roost
huh, i didn't realize it was 20s, i've had a kick + untalented fear take care of one fully before
i must have kicked after the fear as well
olive bay
it's 15s evidently, I was wrong
modern brook
it's 15s evidently, I was wrong
If incorp last 15, they nerfed it
shit was 20 last time it was around
proper roost
honestly
do not interact with it on my warrior, hex solo it on shaman, never thought about it
i think taking menace for it is just no good
modern brook
its 1 talent
proper roost
I mean, ok, actually I think menace might be pretty ok this week because of sanguine
and also on certain keys where you're regularly pulling 5+ mobs (fh good example) since it uncaps the aoe stop
but i'm not using menace for the incorp you just roster 4 classes that can CC
out of this week and the last incorp week i've had like 1 incorp ever go off, it's really not a huge plague
sick sentinel
honestly, the keys im doing now, are so easy, i have time to type "put the gold on as many dirt and players as you can" and "he has a frontal stacking magic dmg" DURING the boss
modern brook
its a 1 talent safety net for like 3 weeks out of the season
proper roost
yeah and stormbolt and regular kick exists
sick sentinel
and i can do dthat for like majority of fights
modern brook
🤷
proper roost
and regular intim shout is already good for it
i have had to panic deal with an incorp before on warrior several times, you just have a lot more agency
it's actually a decent stormbolt target too
modern brook
yeah but u could like
not panic
and just have the safety net
with one of your like 4 flex talents
sick sentinel
i don't REALLY, need intim with having cow stomp but it shares the DR type for cc
proper roost
Panic as in had to deal with it solo
Which is not really panic at all because like I said
stormbolt
kick
regular fear
sick sentinel
i could use it but at the level im doing, its probably over kill
proper roost
all of which are going to regularly be off cd anyway AND you still have shockwave for mob stops
menace changes literally nothing, stormbolt already is a last resort because it's a gcd and kick can be very free on most packs
modern brook
ok
proper roost
especially when you have planned the kick out in advance
The menace take thing is just a contrarian opinion lol
modern brook
uhhh ok
daring marlin
it's 15s evidently, I was wrong
it's 20 lmao
daring marlin
yeah whoever said incorp is 15 is trolling
just did a dungeon on my rat alt and it's 20s
vocal nimbus
where is the emotional support group for zskarn prog?
crude notch
only boss that matters anymore is rashok
vocal nimbus
zskarn dot still trucks
crude notch
#skillissue
waxen frigate
nowhere now that it's been nerfed giga
It’s still a shit boss
proper roost
I dunno
I watched a few kill videos on the new zskarn and it doesn't look bad at all
I mean maybe for tanks idk
but as dps/heals you just kinda vibe is very very predictable
vocal nimbus
mechanically is easier of course
waxen frigate
It’s easier
vocal nimbus
but still bricks
waxen frigate
But not fun
proper roost
Pretty much zero reason to ever die as rdps/heals now (melee fight is literally the same)
Idk you go in a big circle that's kinda cool 
crude notch
implying raid is ever fun smh
vocal nimbus
raszageth was fun
sick sentinel
my only real gripe with raiding is there is so many people in the raid you have to be social and use voice
unless LFR or first wing of raid n/h/m
twin bramble
Do you guys skip this pack in ulda? By doing so, it’s throwing off my pulls at the beginning to manage basilisks
proper roost
Yes
you should always skip that pack on fort week
it's actually insane to pull
really inefficient count and awful to manage stacks even if you have a spriest, they die insanely slow
lusty grotto
its literally less than pull 16
proper roost
and it's huge healer demand on fort right before you need healing cds on the boss too (even on fort)
lusty grotto
what
proper roost
Wait
lusty grotto
yea
half sapphire
wait is parry haste a thing for us warriors? am I getting extra shield slams or is that just some wierd classic stuff?
half sapphire
(well I meant devestator procs to shield slam)
crude notch
augvoker kinda looking pog
sick sentinel
aug pog
lusty grotto
and yes it applies to devastator
toxic pewter
hope 10.2 has artifact power type system
waxen frigate
Hope 10.2 has boobs
weary saddle
crude notch
...
lusty grotto
hope 10.2 has artifact power type system
ok thd
crude notch
except we have an absorb boss now
lusty grotto
ok thd
crude notch
this eason
toxic pewter
what is thd
lusty grotto
you
waxen frigate
what is thd
Two Hot Dogs
lusty grotto
you are
toxic pewter
i dont get it
lusty grotto
literally a player in liquid
toxic pewter
there nothin to do people just standin around in valdrakken all day
toxic pewter
zaralak cavern is one of the greatest failures in all of wow history
cannot let this keep going
people are craving something to aspire to
toxic pewter
why you keep talking about stuff unrelated to wow
half sapphire
I just don't understand why the elites are so fucking hard over there, take my 443 tank druid over there to gather herb and ore and it takes me 2 minutes to kill a single elite
lusty grotto
and there's like 6 other games out that are pretty good, 2 of which are GOTY contenders
lusty grotto
ok single game andy
lusty grotto
why would you not
fresh igloo
why would I play anything other than wow
because apparently you're bored and there's nothing to do
waxen frigate
why would you not
Why would you cheat on your wife
fresh igloo
obviously
toxic pewter
because apparently you're bored and there's nothing to do
right that is why I want some new systems... obviously with caveats
lusty grotto
Why would you cheat on your wife
if my wife was WoW, i would cheat on her constantly SMH
toxic pewter
I like really like wow
fresh igloo
ahh yeah, some good ol' friday mornin' trolling
toxic pewter
not actually trolling
lusty grotto
maybe try other experiences for something deeper
you know what the phrase "broaden your horizons" means?
toxic pewter
need to bring some new systems back, 10.1 has been one of wows greatest flops
and 10.1.5 is not looking great either
lusty grotto
cause it definitely does not mean stick to the same perspective
fresh igloo
"you don't want wow to consume your entire life so you must be a casual" is either a troll or you are actually in need of mental help.
waxen frigate
need to bring some new systems back, 10.1 has been one of wows greatest flops
SYSTEMS MADGE
toxic pewter
Did you not read what I typed, systems with caveats
lusty grotto
theres a reason why i ignored it mac, lol let it go
toxic pewter
with wisdom
jolly crystal
parry haste still exists
Is it haste or just it just reset your swing timer?
jolly crystal
Ahh yeah still the same as ye olden dayes then
lusty grotto
talk to arms, they'll tell you all about dbts
yeah except mobs dont parry haste anymore
just you
jolly crystal
yeah except mobs dont parry haste anymore
Thank Fuck
lusty grotto
well for a while even
jolly crystal
Magetheridon with melee getting bounced in front of the boss can get in the bin
getting smashed in the face 2 times in a second for 10k each
lusty grotto
i have no idea what the meta was in classic tbc but
expertise was a thing back in the original
did they remove that?
im guessing they didnt right? didnt armor pen still exist in the classic iteration of wrath?
fresh igloo
oof, that was a while back. IIRC expertise and arpen existed thru wrath at least, expertise was necessary for tanking but arpen was MOSTLY a pvp stat?
proper roost
yeah they removed expertise and hit in... wod iirc.
warm plinth
Expertise wasn't removed until wod
proper roost
simultaneously with reforging, because
proper roost
using addon to throw 1k at the reforge for every upgrade was cringe
lusty grotto
i was asking the guy talking about mag
idk if expertise was in classic tbc is the question
i know it lasted until then etc
warm plinth
Reforging was a great system until they introduced bullshit like multistrike
proper roost
yeah, it was. incredibly rare until SWP actually
warm plinth
no idea. It wasn't implemented until like
2.3
So not sure what patch tbc classic is
proper roost
always final patch
lusty grotto
arent they all final patch?
proper roost
yes
lusty grotto
yeah would make sense
proper roost
in t4 there was almost no expertise available though and also melee dps still parryhasted that boss. kind of a skill issue though
(obviously was not ideal for melee dps to dps boss from front...)
strong forum
Glancing blow dn
lusty grotto
waxen frigate
Glancing blow dn
CRUSHING BLOW
jolly crystal
(obviously was not ideal for melee dps to dps boss from front...)
9 times out of 10, melee weren't in front of the boss, but Mag would shake the room and send you bouncing all over the place
Also, as a tank you sometimes just got parried
jolly crystal
CRUSHING BLOW
Just have 490 defence. I don;t miss arbitrary stat requirements
proper roost
well this isn't really the time or place (especially since tbc classic isn't even possible to be a thing anymore) but all i can say is
it is entirely
waxen frigate
One of my friends got crushing blowed from 80% in Elwynn on hardcore
proper roost
telling on your own guild
waxen frigate
proper roost
if you struggled on mag tank death there
jolly crystal
we didn't struggle, it just happened very occasionally
Getting 20 players to click a cube though
Also, players 16 years ago were a lot more shit then they are today
warm plinth
Man I feel like I've grown leaps and bounds even since Legion
proper roost
think it's something like, the brain doesn't stop maturing til late 20s/early 30s for men right
Def a way different person from 5 years ago let alone 10
warm plinth
shit in this day and age I'm not sure if men ever mature
cerulean tusk
I refuse to mature, I will use catfaces till the day I die. The nurses will know me as that weird cat guy who rambles about some sort of game. I refuse any other destiny.
twin bramble
which pack is he referring to he has all of them marked 💀
Sorry. My red arrow
The first pack of that floor
proper roost
yeah you should not skip that kinda weirdge, uldaman is just a press W don't really think key
twin bramble
Cool thanks. Just saw it skipped a lot on keystone guru.
lusty grotto
or did you get it from a streamer?
twin bramble
Bunten route
toxic pewter
how do you skip it anyway
twin bramble
Just walk on the wall
lusty grotto
keep in mind there's some skips done for cd timings
toxic pewter
they seem to aggro every time i walk along the wall
lusty grotto
but that's just mdi level cd usage honestly, so we dont really care too much
frozen rose
I swapped to my BDK for M Zskarn. Once we down this, I'm wondering, hows P Warrior for the last 3? Any issues? Seems like its a fine choice ya? No horrifying magic dots
lusty grotto
zskarn is the outlier
twin bramble
Thanks for feedback!
lusty grotto
due to his dumbass non spell-blockable fire dot
frozen rose
word i figured
even experiments on M was a bit rough at the time. havent even bothered Zskarn on P war
crude notch
quitter
uncut thunder
Is there such a list of trinkets or other items that you should swap to DPS as prot? Anvil dropped first time for us like ever and I could not main roll which surprised me.
sick sentinel
like all of them /s
daring marlin
ahah, apb trolling again
novel skiff
What embelishments should I get for Prot.
proper roost
the apb trolling today was very mild
He didn't have a jordan to argue with him
ended quick
daring marlin
idk man I think begging for ap grinding is pretty up there
please sir disrespect my time
proper roost
It's way too obvious of a bait
he literally said why should I play other games
Just too obvious
proper roost
that one, I'm pretty sure isn't even a bait
i would not be surprised if the only game apb plays is wow, I've found that weirdly very common
nocturne spindle
as much as i hope it is
there are some people who are just like "only play this game make infinite grind please"
oh no hes typing
toxic pewter
not actually trolling though, need to add back a system that is somewhat challenging than just handing everything to me for free. I guess make loot harder to upgrade could work
10.1 is one of the worst patches in modern wow's history
nocturne spindle
yea loot too easy
toxic pewter
but yeah, def think removing systems is not the play in the big picture, I am sure blizzard will bring them back with incorporated learned wisdom in some form in the future. They are hemmoraging players as it is
lusty grotto
they will instantly lose this sub as soon as they make something similar to AP grind
so i hope for their sake, you're right, and more people actually like AP grinding than what it seems
which i for once don't think that's even remotely close
median tulip
not actually trolling though, need to add back a system that is somewhat challen...
You are one of the 1% of people in the game who will annihilate any system put in front of you regardless of what it is. These systems are not made for you.
toxic pewter
wat u mean
i said new systems with incorporated wisdom learned from past iterations
toxic pewter
dunno I find systems fun personally
lusty grotto
case in point
vocal nimbus
With AP maybe theres an addictive something behind it that makes people keep playing?
toxic pewter
I guess I just dont enjoy these patches or content where nothing matters
lusty grotto
it doesnt matter, these things have been discussed to hell and back
median tulip
Which AP are we talking about?
median tulip
Still waiting for the Aspect Power grind, NGL
toxic pewter
yah i am down for that
lusty grotto
the term encompasses all of them
nocturne spindle
Still waiting for the Aspect Power grind, NGL
god damn it its totally gonna be named that
median tulip
god damn it its totally gonna be named that
I literally said it the instant they announced it was a dragon themed ex-pack
toxic pewter
ill catch u guys later im goin to zaralak caverns
lusty grotto
cry me a river while i work and make money
daring marlin
not actually trolling though, need to add back a system that is somewhat challen...
How is mindlessly grinding AP hard?
lusty grotto
🤷
toxic pewter
its not hard, its something to work toward and aspire to
lusty grotto
something to do with your time =/= fun
i could be hammering nails for 6 hours
is it fun?
daring marlin
I'll tap the sign
lusty grotto
NO
toxic pewter
how is mindlessly spamming dungeons any diffierent
modern brook
Lmao
modern brook
I aspire to sysiphean tasks
Nothing makes me feel better than moving an arbitrary number
lusty grotto
indeed, especially when it comes to ragequits
daring marlin
Doing difficult content better than you did last time is not the same as flying around hitting every WQ every single day.
jolly crystal
Nothing better than getting a new piece of gear and then having to grind islands for hours and hours to make it usable
lusty grotto
☑️
daring marlin
among other garbage
lusty grotto
🤣
lusty grotto
oof
jolly crystal
Meh, I'm 434, clearing heroic every week and making progress into Mythic with a chill guild. I can log in a few times a week, do some stuff and still feel like I've achieved something.
daring marlin
oh god THE HORROR
If apb isn't trolling(massive if) he's not taking into account the repercussions of systems on systems and the ludicrous farming.
toxic pewter
well i wouldnt be burned out if there was something to actually work toward
that is my point
daring marlin
Imagine jumping into the end of BFA with all the systems(which are time gated even)
and you're arbitrarily forced to be stuck a month+behind everyone else
toxic pewter
bfa was a great xpac
jolly crystal
that is my point
https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/oln3rx/yoship_suggests_playing_other_games_if_you_feel/
Be like Yoshi P
lusty grotto
https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/oln3rx/yoship_suggests_playing_other...
dont do that, he already replied to this suggestion
toxic pewter
dude have you not read what I wrote? systems with wisdom incorporated, like with cool catch up mechanics and other stuff
and other modern advantages
daring marlin
but wait people did stop because there comes a time when you don't need to ap farm anymore
did you bitch and moan then too?
"I need more to farm!"
toxic pewter
yah there should always be something to farm/work toward
toxic pewter
I mean otherwise why even play
daring marlin
go apply to be on their team
you have the heart and soul of the playerbase in mind for sure
fuckin' got me bro
toxic pewter
O_O
proper roost
apb you sound like a genius
you're based and the antithesis of cringe
waxen frigate
someone just told me in game to get euthanized
Maybe he just supports Asian youth
lusty grotto
first we got this finbez guy coming out of nowhere and that other thing?
toxic pewter
no idea
jagged pier
i would rather not always having something to grind for, thats why well a lot alot of ppl left the game I like being able to play other games
its actually fun
daring marlin
I'm definitely having a meltdown
jagged pier
because then i can play the game when i want
daring marlin
you're weird as fuck my man
lusty grotto
thanks for completely missing the context
toxic pewter
no need to play other games, wow is the greatest addicti... i mean game there is though
daring marlin
touch grass
waxen frigate
lusty grotto
fucking random lol
daring marlin
toxic pewter
ngl, I enjoyed shadowlands more than I am enjoying df so far
which is wild for me to even realize
jagged pier
like honestly they make me farm something endlessly again
toxic pewter
but alas it is true
jagged pier
i quit the game
lusty grotto
they will instantly lose this sub as soon as they make something similar to AP g...
☝️
toxic pewter
well subs already at all time lows
they gonna make the game free to play eventually some say
lusty grotto
no shit
jagged gust
Also, players 16 years ago were a lot more shit then they are today
I'd argue they're just as bad nowadays. Still have braindead DPS dying in swirlies, healers that seem to forget they have to put heals on their hotbars and tanks who don't know that they're not full 447 ilvl pulling 2 packs and dying in 4 seconds.
lusty grotto
even if you think they are low, its not due to the current patch
jagged gust
Late but whatever, people be dumb
lusty grotto
its due to your beloved SL
jagged pier
because SLs made them loose most of their players because of the 3rd expansion of endless grinding
and they arent willing to come back because of SLs and things the company did
jolly crystal
I'd argue they're just as bad nowadays. Still have braindead DPS dying in swirli...
I feel attacked by that last one 😄
toxic pewter
yah that is true, but strange they havent come back
jolly crystal
Everyone makes mistakes
lusty grotto
well i came back
toxic pewter
a true wow player returns
jagged pier
they havent come back because after legion they were like well ill give BFA a go
lusty grotto
you just cant rebuild the sub numbers instantly
jagged pier
and then they were like one more chance SLs is gunna be good
lusty grotto
it takes time
jagged pier
then they gave up
jagged gust
and then they were like one more chance SLs is gunna be good
This was me, except everyone I talked to made Dragonflight sound like the second coming of Jesus
toxic pewter
SL was pretty good once they incorporated wisdom toward the systems
jagged pier
This was me, except everyone I talked to made Dragonflight sound like the second...
i mean its better than the last few expansions
jolly crystal
SL being awful combo'd with FF14 Shadowbringers and the blizzard allegation scandals really made people look twice aat WoW
jagged pier
better than MoP nah
toxic pewter
but either way, 10.1 is one of the worst patches I can recall. i cannot lie and say otherwise
I guess if they make loot harder to upgrade it may be better
jagged pier
better then WoD nah imma say it WoD was also awesome raids were amazing
and u only had to raid log
oblique garnet
Jakey we pushing this season ?
lusty grotto
shrug im enjoying 10.1. The only thing is i dont enjoy are a handful
oblique garnet
S M H
jagged pier
im done
lusty grotto
which are the dumbasses in party finder and any stupidly designed boss like Zskarn
jagged gust
I literally can't even remember WoD, I've wiped garrisons and everything related from my memory
lusty grotto
thats about it
jagged pier
u have to beat 111k dps tho @oblique garnet
oblique garnet
This week?
toxic pewter
I literally can't even remember WoD, I've wiped garrisons and everything related...
thats a shame, wod had some of the most fun systems
south zealot
u have to beat 111k dps tho <@143839248422928384>
what dungeon
jagged gust
I just remember WoD feeling like the most socially isolated expansion, it was too single-player-ey
jagged pier
what dungeon
freehold
jagged gust
Like you didn't even need to go to capital cities
south zealot
i feel like ive gotten close to tht but i dont remember
jagged pier
I just remember WoD feeling like the most socially isolated expansion, it was to...
no it was great we on discord all day with my guild playing other games then logging in for raid
it was fucking amazing
south zealot
seeing pug tanks do like 60k overall is so sad
proper roost
i think just by that point people really started raidlogging hard
and wod had some extremely alt unfriendly systems so
jagged pier
the raid were great
jolly crystal
WoD had some great raids
jagged pier
and i worked towards CMs in wod as well
lusty grotto
yeah
lusty grotto
it had some great things, and some bad things, i wouldnt say its the worst expansion
jagged pier
and with ppl i raided with
proper roost
discord also happened during wod so that prob contributed to the whole isolation thing. Pretty much no reason to log into game if u can chat with guildies on disc
jolly crystal
discord also happened during wod so that prob contributed to the whole isolation...
I can from EVE to WoW so Italked my guild into setting up a Jabber server first chance we got
No one logs into EVE unless they have to 😄
lusty grotto
we used uhh twitch voice
during wod i think
kinda departing from mumble
iirc
or was that mop?
jolly crystal
I can't rememer if we stll used TS or Mumble
lusty grotto
i cant recall for sure
we did vent -> mumble -> twitch voice -> disc
or maybe im forgetting one
lusty grotto
yeah vent = ventrilo
jolly crystal
No, we went TS > Vent > Mumble > Discord
lusty grotto
i did TS in eq1
so technically the same kind of
except we did twitch voice
or was it curse voice?
something like that
uncut thunder
I guess some top tier folks still use TS
jolly crystal
when our guild split and we formed the new one the RL wanted to use in game voice chat.
I just set up a vent server without telling and said "Ya know...this is avaiable"
proper roost
Yeah discord voice was really bad for like half a year on launch
uncut thunder
Ah that makes sense
jolly crystal
some people use it cause TS hides IPs for DDoS
That's why we used it in EVE until Mumble became good
uncut thunder
I think there are now options to obscure your IP on discord
jolly crystal
plus we could scale Mumble to hundreds of users
lusty grotto
oh i used skype for arenas a lot during OG tbc/wrath
forgot about that
in fact skype was the go to for pvp mostly until i dont remember
i think skype also had issues with not being very secure to defend against ddos though
so eventually people stopped using it
proper roost
insanely so
oblique garnet
@jagged pier Does it count if i beat it on other tanks but not my warrior ?
jagged pier
maybe one day i will get the will to race u on damage again like the good all mist days in SLs
jagged pier
Good because i alrewady beat it on druid
well course cause bear goes burrrr
jagged pier
😮
solemn kelp
Is there a way to macro changing talent builds? anyone know?
crude notch
lmao
daring marlin
Some of those initial timers in SL were pretty fuckin' tight.
toxic pewter
plays healer spec... complains to high heavens that healing does in fact have to occur LOL
crude notch
*plays healer spec*... *complains to high heavens that healing does in fact have...
who's complaining?
JB loves that there's healing checks
toxic pewter
I am talking about most healers right now complaining theres too much healing having to be done and not enough pew pew dam big numbers
crude notch
Did you poll healers?
toxic pewter
its a common sentiment
crude notch
Is it?
toxic pewter
well documented
jagged gust
Did you poll healers?
Have you been on reddit?
crude notch
Ah yes because the average player is on reddit
toxic pewter
doesnt make it less true
crude notch
lmao
jagged gust
I mean it's reddit of course, so they're gonna be whiny bitches regardless
south zealot
Ah yes because the average player is on reddit
the average 'player' is on reddit lol
lusty grotto
having heal checks is fine, having heal checks out of a knee-jerk reaction to hybrids is the problem
the other problem is that its just not heal checks, there's affixes too
like i agree with jb, but that's not the whole picture
bring the class not the player sentiments apply
crude notch
what is there to disagree with in his tweet?
sick sentinel
if we ever see a merchanter yogi in wow, it will be on my morshu character
lusty grotto
nothing, its straightforward as it is
but its also not a complete picture of healer complaints
sick sentinel
i never really played wow by primarily using AH
crude notch
it's also one singular tweet
lusty grotto
true enough
proper roost
ye its more like
if u do a high bh tyr and your dps dont press defensives on first boss
No amt of healing cds you pop can deal with it
Or uldaman snake boss
lusty grotto
i think there's also a problem with community perception as to what the healer needs to do
which is probably the biggest issue
like incorp? yeah sure healers can help
but if dmg is high, fucking do a cc
as a dps
crude notch
Well that's pushed on to the rest of the community by the higher up peeps meme'ing about healers need to do everything.
And then little no hand andy thinks he doesn't have to help dispel afflicted because naowh joked with zaelia despite gingi dispelling one.
lusty grotto
true
crude notch
they don't actually watch what happens they just listen because they use the stream as background noise, lol.
lusty grotto
i dont actually know what the solution is, i just think if maybe the sentiments shifts a lot more favorably to "healing is rough right now, let me help out because its a team game", then everything will be great... but that's just a naive thought
waxen frigate
they don't actually watch what happens they just listen because they use the str...
Y’all don’t wanna hear me
Y’all just wanna parse
sick sentinel
there is a more fitting grey and green armor colors of this, but, i mean, i might have to get that mount now
proper roost
dude i actually went through an entire FH21 yesterday without having to hex a single incorp
It kinda owned
er and then we missed two in a row from the same mob because me and the dk cced the same target, but y'know, who's counting. was the only one we messed up anyway!
crude notch
Blame the healer, duh
next axle
So I have used elvui in the past, wasn't a huge fan or maybe I did not set it up right. Then I shifted to wow's ui and its okay, but I am getting bored of it. What are people using these days? Is it one or the other or are there different options out there? Are we just enhancing the UI with weakauras? If so, which WAs do you all find are helpful for prot warrior in 10.1
jagged gust
I went all in on my green set
jagged gust
Have you seen that headpiece that gives you an icy laughing skull for a face?
fucking amazing
daring marlin
Have you seen that headpiece that gives you an icy laughing skull for a face?
I have it
I bought all three back in the day
no shame
twin bramble
For the third boss in ulda, do we have an ability that works for the final stun?
lime urchin
Stormbolt
jolly crystal
Storm bolt, Shield charge ans shoclwave let you solo thw whoe mechanic 🙂
proper roost
If you have to use any of these you'll want to use shockwave for the longest duration
er
stormbolt
jfc
and you only want to do it when a stomp overlaps with a piercing shard and it's going to kill that person
otherwise you should use the orbs to stun, it's longer
i usually just use shockwave to remove a stack to give the option
chilly brook
I bought all three back in the day
Same fr fr
daring marlin
Same fr fr
🤝
twin bramble
Thanks!
twin bramble
otherwise you should use the orbs to stun, it's longer
Interesting. I always had group stun third. Your go to is kite into orb for third?
lusty grotto
if hes casting knockback you cant kite
its situational
there's no "go to"
the idea is to protect someone from dying to dot + kb
and smoothing out damage overall for the healer
if the healer is capable and/or comfortable then the idea is to align with dps burst
there's no magical rotation
proper roost
yes, u should not always do the same thing
he spellqueues kinda randomly and the orb stuns are better than character stuns
As Nimbychippy said the boss doesnt move during stomp though, but he does move during titanic empowerment cast
You also want to stun him as few times as possible because he gains a damage buff every time
lusty grotto
hint: its not because of mount
sick sentinel
freehold is just as easy imo
sick sentinel
nope, not accoridng to dungeon journal
lusty grotto
rip then
lusty grotto
nope, not accoridng to dungeon journal
what are you talking about lol
sick sentinel
nope that it didn't get removed, is still there
proper roost
Nimpychippy
toxic pewter
Is there a chance the annulet ring will still be played
jagged gust
I'm wondering myself what the ilvl dropoff is gonna be
toxic pewter
I guess 40% will be good enough to kill it
jagged gust
Like it's still probably worth it to tell newbies gearing up to grab it, might last then a couple weeks at least
proper roost
Nimbuschipmunk
proper roost
40% will kill it
toxic pewter
Ya
proper roost
Literally in the hour it takes you to get a fully upgraded annulet you coulda done like 4 +11 keys and get a better ring
Or craft one with your 6.5 sparks by the time of 10.1.5 release
toxic pewter
Literally in the hour it takes you to get a fully upgraded annulet you coulda do...
Yeah that’s good point. I don’t ever plan to get annulet ever again personally
daring marlin
toxic pewter
grats!
lusty grotto
lol heals and me malding over how horrible pugs are atm
proper roost
🥱
jagged gust
lol heals and me malding over how horrible pugs are atm
We need to start a support group
Tankers Anonymous
lusty grotto
vdh, pulls cragmaw room like an idiot, with 3x bloodswarmers, twice even after wiping
goes to sporecaller for no reason when we had lust ready
pulls the way to abom and overpulls with like 10% over
pulls TWICE when someone is dead and 3 of us are rezzing, including last pull
so good
pure comedy gold
apparently he needed 1 cd for cragmaw that he can only use once per instance
????
did he need cheat death or something lmao
he apparently didnt infernal strike at any breath so i suppose thats it
jagged gust
He probably wanted to soak the spew, bathe in that glorious indigestion
lusty grotto
im starting to think its the only way to keep doing vault keys for my pally, ngl
but fuck i hate prot pala
jagged gust
Don't worry, the healer will find a way to let you down instead
lusty grotto
the healer is my friend
jagged gust
Aint no winning, #puglife
lusty grotto
we're malding in disc about it, he said fuck im done for today that was horrible
jagged gust
There's something about UR specifically that makes me want to drink after the run is done
lusty grotto
the light is for topping meters on these pug keys tho
lusty grotto
idk what youre talking about, hpal or fistweaver with 3 melee runs were funny as fuck
lets see who gets nerzhul's purple bs
😄
jagged gust
Worse than Grimrail Depot?
lusty grotto
i only disliked grimrail because of the dumb wind
everything else was good
except sanguine weeks and trinkets fucking pulling the entire car
i guess
you know what, fuck grimrail
jagged gust
lusty grotto
fingers crossed no tol dagor on s3
jagged gust
If you fucking jinx it Guil I swear to god
I'll probably have forgotten but you should still feel ashamed
daring marlin
We want TD, KR and Shrine at minimum.
mighty valley
i wasn't pushing very hard when TD was current so i mostly had good experiences
never had the extreme vertical pull-the-whole-prison hitbox in my party
mighty valley
We want TD, KR and Shrine at minimum.
take back shrine. take it back
proper roost
no pls as is
proper roost
Hell yeah
daring marlin
be honest
proper roost
Just for that I'll utter the greatest curse
daring marlin
you just wanna reflect first boss
proper roost
I hope you get Arcway
lusty grotto
KR is fine honestly
lusty grotto
the only problem is Zul tbh
proper roost
u dont actually
daring marlin
I did on my pally
lusty grotto
arcway was just way too fucking long
proper roost
its like uldaman length except there is no mob density
daring marlin
AVENGERS SHIELD OP
lusty grotto
idk why i remember it being HoV levels of fucking long
daring marlin
because it was
lusty grotto
it felt that way
daring marlin
and rng path was lol
lusty grotto
and Azshara too
daring marlin
that place was garbage
lusty grotto
hmm
daring marlin
no
lusty grotto
:\
proper roost
Gonna quit on that season
lusty grotto
naw fuck plaguefall
just give us a season with MoS, Tirna, Siege maybe with spotters unnerfed
daring marlin
At least we're all in accord that plaguefall was giga shit.
lusty grotto
wait no, they might be watching
daring marlin
I'd like mists sans maze
lusty grotto
maze was fine with a decent hunter/lock
but those dont exist
well and the stupid reliance on the WA
proper roost
Wait I was supposed to do something there as a hunter
i only played two weeks in s3, got carried to ksh by friends and quit 💀
lusty grotto
send fido to fetch on the next room for giga packs
proper roost
animal abuse..
lusty grotto
lol
crude notch
Ain't no way nim unironically just said, maze was fine.
lusty grotto
i just remembered the WA to be fair
crude notch
Your opinions from this day forward are invalid.
crude notch
When your key could be borked if you got the wrong route RNG, good times.
lusty grotto
to be fair mots is kinda still the better of all of them
at least without tazavesh
because obviously gambit takes the cake
lusty grotto
i fucking hate you
daring marlin
lusty grotto
Atonement wasnt too bad i guess
just lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of fucking body pulls
DoS way too long
SD was aids
ToP was aids
proper roost
the only key I really have ptsd from is sanguine depths
lusty grotto
Plaguefall was aids
proper roost
One time I was on my hunter and died like three times to the boss after u teleport down or w/e
second boss? vampy lady?
lusty grotto
duel boss was dope that's true
proper roost
Anyway all my gear broke
No one had a hammer
cant mount in any part of that dungeon at that point or go back
4 manned the rest of the key without me including the last boss
daring marlin
that whole corridor leading up to second boss
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
and the second boss himself
proper roost
and hearthing wasnt really an option because of how long it took to get back to sl dungeon entrances
What a time
lusty grotto
spires was okayish
either way i hope they hold out on SL dungeons until next expansion
and even then yikes
jagged gust
It'll turn out the gutting the dev team went through cut everyone with experience working on SL, and out of a wave of nostalgia and ignorance they'll bring back SL dungeons in full force
"We heard you people loved S4 of SL, so we thought we'd do you a treat and remind you of that great xpac"
lusty grotto
daring marlin
fact check: true
daring marlin
Nim I'm of the opinion you didn't do spires above 15 in S1 or something
because that place was fucking garbage
south zealot
spires and sanguine are so fucking bad imo
lusty grotto
Nim I'm of the opinion you didn't do spires above 15 in S1 or something
i did
daring marlin
...on your warrior?