protection

[sick sentinel]

races not hard enough

[waxen frigate]

Ok Mr verstappen

[crude notch]

maybe you're just a god gamer yogi

[crude notch]

someone's been hanging out in the lounge on sundays too much

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/supermax-verstappen-f1-nederland-zandvoort-gif-21797624

[sick sentinel]

found 1 hard race

[crude notch]

https://tenor.com/view/hamilton-f1-hamilton-goat-gif-23788181

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/logan-sargeant-f1-williams-f1-gif-27530388

[crude notch]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-surprised-shocked-f12020-woah-gif-17741604

[tidal nest]

excuse me which dungeons is this worth using for?

[crude notch]

Q: Which dungeons should i play Spellblock?

Neltharus and Uldaman

[tidal nest]

kk ty ❤️

[strong forum]

people have started using it in Brackenhide aswell in ultra keys cuz people run out of stops for the casters at the tree area

[slow shore]

Hi friends! I was wondering how maxing crit build works? How is it better than stacking verse after htting a good amount of haste

[strong forum]

overwhelming majority of dmg intake, especially this season, is melee dmg

parry offers more damage reduction than vers ever could vs those

[slow shore]

This is an eye opener seriously

I am sitting around 5k haste and 5k verse atm with 3k crit

[strong forum]

vers becomes better vs unblockable damage like dots and magic, however they barely exist, and if they do its in scenarios where youre also getting destroyed by melee attacks

[south zealot]

[slow shore]

Idk why we are called shit tanks right now, but i have successfully timed 20’s just fine

[south zealot]

20s are easy

[strong forum]

if pwar is not #1

its #6

[glacial grove]

Easy

[strong forum]

thats how public perception works

[slow shore]

I dont take damage though

[glacial grove]

If prot is not broken, it is trash

[slow shore]

And heal more than my damage taken sometimes

[strong forum]

yup

if melee dps were better this season

pwar would be #1

cuz battleshout

[slow shore]

With crit build going ham

I skipped forgehammer

[strong forum]

but because casters are meta, VDH looks attractive

ye forgestorm kinda poopy for m+ ngl

[slow shore]

And went with str crafted + sophic

[strong forum]

especially after the recent buffs, + the coming buffs

forgestorm will not be good for m+

[slow shore]

I thought prot war getting damage buff? Why did we get poop defensive stance buff that we barely use?

[strong forum]

cuz people are dying in raid alot

[slow shore]

Well i use it for incoming magic damage suring bossfights

Ahh for taid

Tanking

[south zealot]

does prot even need damage lol

[strong forum]

no

[slow shore]

Nope

I am doing 90k overall in 20s

[strong forum]

but its compensation buff for annulet nerf

we take those

[slow shore]

Soo since crit is lookin kinda good

Any of uou guys considered crafting 447 lariat?

[crude notch]

I'll do what the sims tell me.

[strong forum]

i crafted normal neck

[slow shore]

Sims are good for damage jordan

[strong forum]

lariat is prolly good next patch for m+ with full sockets

[crude notch]

yes

[slow shore]

I dont know how to sim mitigation

[crude notch]

Astute observation

[south zealot]

this is what i use

[slow shore]

I do damage already tho

[strong forum]

mitigation goes as follows

get itemlevel

congrats, you have now obtained close to maximum tankiness

min-maxing stats is an extremely small factor when it comes to survivability

[slow shore]

Damn bro stackin mastery too?

[crude notch]

I do what sims tell me because I'm not a crayon eater and know that if I die to something it's not because of my stats it's because I messed up something while pressing buttons.

[slow shore]

So fuck verse kinda yeah? Haha

[strong forum]

well you want a bit of vers

a bit of mastery

and get as much haste as you can

[slow shore]

I have 5k verse i want to switch haha

[crude notch]

Can you really trust someone who puts their height in their bio like it's tinder?

[slow shore]

I hit max haste with true stat values

[strong forum]

thats just rings and neck tbh

[crude notch]

max haste

?

[south zealot]

i main dps

just saying this is what i use

not that its best

[slow shore]

True stat values

Shows max haste before diminishing return

Ot sure if its accurate

Not*

[crude notch]

The first DR is irrelevant

[strong forum]

you want to HARDSTOP at 7150 haste

not at 5100

[slow shore]

Oh

[strong forum]

by going from 5100 to 7150 haste, you only lose 170 haste total

[slow shore]

I am doing this wrong then haha

[strong forum]

cuz even with this 10% DR

it only takes 187 points to get 1% of haste

[crude notch]

I wonder what crazy secondary proc numbers we're going to get later in the expansion to counteract hard stat DRs.

[strong forum]

which is still 18 points less needed to get 1% than vers

[crude notch]

Like that trinket that gives 3k haste. lol

[strong forum]

haste with 10% DR to get 1% -> 187
crit without DR to get 1% -> 180
mastery without DR to get 1% -> 180
vers without DR to get 1% -> 205

[crude notch]

vers is such a scam

[waxen frigate]

Vers dumb

[slow shore]

I feel scamszzed rn

I will just vers pot

And go crit now

[slow shore]

Thanks for this

I am pretty new in wow so also new in simming

Fml

I should have stacked crit haste asap haha

[strong forum]

theres no harm in stacking any stat

[slow shore]

Arms gear is same

[strong forum]

its just a minor optimisation defensively

but a decently large damage gain

[slow shore]

With the crit tanking build we rocking dargul + chromatic?

[strong forum]

chromatic + beacon/anvil

[slow shore]

I see guys run anvil too though

Yeah that makes sense

Esp if u have high haste

[uneven mason]

Anvil poggers, reinforces proper pulling

[slow shore]

Yes

I also hate using the beacon cos i ocd and try to time it with avatar

[crude notch]

Por que?

[slow shore]

Thanks a ton nomeratur! You as well jordan

[strong forum]

avatar doesnt increase bacons damage

[slow shore]

I go back to work now haha

It does not?

[strong forum]

nop

[slow shore]

But dmg taken increased by 20

[strong forum]

you cant increase item proc dmg with any class abilities

[slow shore]

Well rips

Hahaha

[strong forum]

its just how wow is coded

your own dmg buffs only apply to your own abilties, not trinkets/embellishments/annulet

[slow shore]

But vers dmg helps right?

[strong forum]

vers and crit affect those, yes

sometimes haste aswell

depending on the item

[jagged gust]

You guys ever feel the need to vent but know it's pointless because it's something everyone else has dealt with far more than you have?

Anyways I'm never pugging UR again

[jaunty aspen]

hi folks can you help me decide i am about to craft/let craft my next gear piece and i cant decide if i should up my lariat or craft an unstable frostfire belt. Belt doesnt really feel good to me. Main Content i wanna gear for iss mythic + max 20 keys. Armory link :https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/de-de/character/eu/proudmoore/ârgometh

[jagged gust]

while it's only stam and secondaries a 26 ilvl upgrade on the lariat would definitely feel rather nice

[jaunty aspen]

thats my thinkin but i also could try to farm the neck from VP question would be then is the lariat effect still worth it. since its haste i will get

[jagged gust]

Is that currently a crafted belt with haste/versatility on it?

[jaunty aspen]

no

but i could farm it so it becoms 441

[jagged gust]

Ah I should've known from context, geschmolzene would be molten and it doesn't have that affix

[jaunty aspen]

so whats the best course of action go for 447 lariat / 441 farm belt or 441 vortex neck 447 frostfire belt?

[jagged gust]

Well it's all feelcraft at the moment for what would be best long term, as nome said #protection message lariat might very well be a good choice soon

[jaunty aspen]

thats exactly what i had in mind so iam planning to max out sockets long term

but i have never had frostfire belt so i dont know if it is any good for me feelcraft wise

[lusty grotto]

shrug ive had belt since s1 and havent had any issues with it

you dont have to make belt, you can run double shadowflame like the pins suggest

the problem is youre crafting lariat now when you dont have max sockets

why not... craft it later

when you do have them

and then swap around 1 shadowflame

[jagged gust]

well he already does have it

Lariat+frostfire may very well be what you're looking for and forego the shadowflame altogether

[lusty grotto]

does have what

lariat?

i have a lariat 421 too, its perma bagged

he doesn't have max sockets

[jagged gust]

you're absolutely right

[lusty grotto]

so hes basically upping an item that is inferior right now until he has max sockets

just get a 2nd shadowflame if youre not sure about UFFB

[sick sentinel]

still racing

[jaunty aspen]

hmm so you suggest craft what piece now molten belt or a neck with shadowflame=?

[jagged gust]

neck cant have shadowflame

[lusty grotto]

cant put it on neck

any piece is fine, then recraft it to remove it

whatever you need ilvl on

[jaunty aspen]

max gain would be a neck

[lusty grotto]

cloak + any other piece (not neck/rings)

[jaunty aspen]

ilevel wise

[sick sentinel]

is neck still the craft to do?

i have all my other main sparks done

[lusty grotto]

cloak or belt Argometh

pick one

once again you cant put shadowflame on neck

farm whatever in the meantime

have you just been unlucky or have you just been refusing to replace the 421 lariat?

[jaunty aspen]

both refusing to replace i with anything other than haste vers other neck i could have used

[lusty grotto]

can i ask why you've been refusing?

[jagged gust]

sunk cost fallacy?

[jaunty aspen]

hard to pinpoint didnt want to have a piece without haste / or suboptimal stat distribution

more like a obsession to have haste/vers secondarys evrywhere

[sick sentinel]

the reaason i am doing races is because i want the armors for dragonflying mounts

[lusty grotto]

thats a weird reason

[jagged gust]

oh dang racing gives you armor?

[lusty grotto]

especially since you said versa

yogi im talking to the guy that has problems

[sick sentinel]

i realized

[jaunty aspen]

well what i have in bags is haste mastery, crit vers, crit mastery

and vers mastery raid one

[lusty grotto]

you dont raid yea?

cause magni's is a good pick

[south zealot]

lol?

[lusty grotto]

err kagni's

[jaunty aspen]

well i do raid but nothing higher than hc

[lusty grotto]

kagni 441 will be good

so you have options

[jaunty aspen]

i sure have thats why i am asking for advice before i waste my spark

[lusty grotto]

just farm the shit out of VP honestly

[jaunty aspen]

will do #

but question remains what to craft for now

[lusty grotto]

i just said

whatever needs ilvl

thats not neck

so cloak/belt

[jaunty aspen]

is it wise to go farm sark cloak as tank=??

[lusty grotto]

thats with the context of, you still need a 2nd embelishment

no

sark cloak bad for keys

[strong forum]

sark cloak is only useful on some raid bosses

[lusty grotto]

sark cloak good for raiding only

[jaunty aspen]

ok then plan is perfect if dont need craft frostfire belt i will farm shit out of vp craft a cloak farm shit out of freehold good like this=?

[lusty grotto]

i would focus less on versa and more on crit

but thats just me, you do you

[jaunty aspen]

crit in reason to do more dmg or get more tanky=?

[lusty grotto]

both

[jaunty aspen]

so i take it crit outperform in both ways versa?`

[lusty grotto]

for the most part

you dont need versa to survive shit early 20s

[jaunty aspen]

end goal is get all portals like evey season and call it a day

[lusty grotto]

well you wont need versa at all

[south zealot]

vers has high value over crit for defensiveneess when ur taking dots/a lot of magic damage

thats just not a thing right now so crit is better for damage and equal if not better for defensive value

[jaunty aspen]

keep in mind i have to pug the 20s no guild that does higher keys

[lusty grotto]

i dont think that matters

[waxen frigate]

20s are easily puggable

[lusty grotto]

youre EU, not NA... NA is really having issues right now on keys

[jaunty aspen]

i am stil traumatised by magic from past seasons thats ripping me

[lusty grotto]

so youre not gonna have a bad time

well we have 30s spell block now and 20% dr on D-Stance so

plus there's not a lot of magic damage, we can list them with one hand probably

uldaman is the only outlier

[south zealot]

uldy neltharus and that hallway in halls

[jaunty aspen]

so its wise to craft cloak on haste crit not haste versa

[lusty grotto]

you can do whichever, im just saying you shouldn't be so focused on haste versa at the moment

i did haste crit cloak

made by my dumbass pally

i havent swapped my boots from haste versa cause im fucking lazy

[jaunty aspen]

well iam ultra konservative in terms of you play tank button up to the max since forever

[lusty grotto]

im not sure what you mean by that

[jaunty aspen]

what i mean is i play tank so i become as much a walking fortress as i can

[jolly crystal]

Probably a similar mind set to me Not dying > damage

[lusty grotto]

so you play boomer tank

it is what it is

[jaunty aspen]

well yeah i know theres the reasing tank dmg matters etc but i dont feel it honestly

[lusty grotto]

its been... a few expansions since we havent really played that defensively

[jolly crystal]

I still use my Hand of A'dal title 😄

[lusty grotto]

since MoP basically

[uneven mason]

Back in my day we didn't have titles

[jolly crystal]

I started late, I didn't have decent internet until shortly after TBC came out

[lusty grotto]

we have the tools to be defensive

you dont need to gear for it

youre not running absorb trinkets right?

[jaunty aspen]

well in raid my heals alway say dont you dare do anything other than max your defenses

[lusty grotto]

so basically you're not doing boomer tanking logic

[jaunty aspen]

thats a test since i dont have absorb trinkets

splinter and echo trinket still eludes me

[uneven mason]

I mean just remind them that you're losing a lot of self sustain by reducing your damage

[lusty grotto]

and threat

and overall raid dps

false logic, but look

you play how you want to play

🤷‍♂️

[uneven mason]

Like, tanks are designed that maximizing offensive play gives you defensive output

[jaunty aspen]

it dont dare to to say your reasoning is bad

[uneven mason]

If you're trying to turtle you're suffering some serious opportunity cost to do so

[jaunty aspen]

it is kinda my own fault partly that i need to learnt that i dont max every defensive gain i can

[uneven mason]

But like it just sounds like your teammates don't grasp math or mechanics

[lusty grotto]

going a particular stat, is not maximizing defensive gains is the problem

youre contradicting yourself

[jaunty aspen]

believe me there much more they dont grasp

[lusty grotto]

haste, sure

[modern brook]

Your healers are pussies

[lusty grotto]

versa, no

[jaunty aspen]

so tldr from now on go full haste crit max offensive potential and try to survive with kit

[uneven mason]

Just wear your highest ilvl

[jagged pier]

No u survive through playing correctly

[jaunty aspen]

thats what i mean with kit

[uneven mason]

Offensive play is defensive play

[nocturne spindle]

moreee shield slams means moreee damage reduction means moooore rage means moreeee ignore pain means moreeee absorbs

so

do more damage

[jagged pier]

Using your kit can mean too many things like u can use sw sure but u might actually meed that at some point which u need to preplan in thats playing correctly slight differencr

[modern brook]

The tldr is your stats have a negligible impact on your survivability. Before you look to stats you should be looking for mistakes in game play, asking for externals etc

If you wanna craft haste verse go for it

The 300 verse on your wrist craft isn't going to be the make or break on prog

[twin bramble]

are there any tips you guys have regarding chain pulling? should i always be doing it? not doing back-to-back-to-back and just 2? specifically healer types to not do it with? etc? feel like its an area i need to improve to speed up timer but sometimes people complain about it.

[modern brook]

So you're wasting potential damage for no gain

[modern brook]

Depends on comp and affix

[jagged pier]

Too many variables comes with experience

[twin bramble]

ignoring bursting

[jagged pier]

U need to find the line in each dungeon u run

And look at your healers mana

[modern brook]

^

[nocturne spindle]

if your healer has mana and theres no bursting/ bolstering probably yes

[twin bramble]

i feel like i dont undersstand healers well enough being new. are there particular healing classes less prone to mana drain? or that have an ability that quickly increases mana without having to sit for a drink?

[modern brook]

Do you have a set group?

[twin bramble]

naw pug all day unfortunately

[modern brook]

Find comfortable double pulls

Ans do those

[jagged pier]

I mean depends on the player

[modern brook]

Worry about chain pulling etc when you have a group

[jolly crystal]

With a pug your best bet is use the first few packs to find your healer's level

[uncut thunder]

After 10.1.5 hits what will be the preferred ring to replace the annulet with prior to entering and getting gear from the new raid? Thanks.

[jolly crystal]

Go slow to start and then speed up bit by bit as you go along, if the healer is fine, pull more/faster

[modern brook]

High haste low x

[twin bramble]

thanks!

[uneven mason]

I trial new healers in UR on fort by pulling both ticks at the entrance

[lusty grotto]

ew

[jagged pier]

crafted

[lusty grotto]

youre one of those

[modern brook]

Thats hazing lmao

[uneven mason]

[lusty grotto]

fuck pulling ticks

i avoid them like the plague

[uncut thunder]

Ah yeah good point there.

[lusty grotto]

but then there's always a dumb pug that body pulls shit

[modern brook]

Ur not having an updating graveyard is toxic

[jagged gust]

ayyy we're a pair of hands over here

[jagged pier]

and u adapt

[jolly crystal]

Healers adjust

[jagged pier]

no if ppl pull extra u need to change route etc everything

[lusty grotto]

i mean i still wear the undying as well from time to time lol

[jaunty aspen]

thx for help , following the said plan for now

[lusty grotto]

well not on my warrior cause hes perma Chef due to my mog

but hes the one that got it anyway

[jagged gust]

My retired hunter is the OG on my account, no way I was tanking Sunwell bs

[lusty grotto]

but again everyone knows Jenkins is bis

🙂

[jagged gust]

I was JUST ABOUT TO SAY THAT

[jagged gust]

I wanted to pour myself a drink after my last UR pug

[lusty grotto]

pugs have been

absolutely fucking horrible these past weeks

[jagged gust]

If there was a mechanic that exists, you bet your ass they managed to die to it

[lusty grotto]

in NA at least

like if youre doing 20s for vault only and not pushing, youre absolutely fucked (like i do on my pally)

[jagged gust]

I've been giving the mythic group discords a shot lately, and they have on average been worse

[lusty grotto]

200 people sign up that want portal and havent timed, youre 2 hours in waiting for a healer pug, 1 hour at best for a tank

and if you manage to get people that have timed, they are the most toxic isnta quitters ever, that bail out on the 2nd pull even though its timeable

[jagged gust]

Ugh had an evoker pull some shit, they just sat down and logged out at trash after 3rd boss BH

[toxic pewter]

nice

[jagged gust]

we decided fuck it, lets give it the college try anyways, 30 minutes later he comes back expecting loot

[toxic pewter]

big brain play

[lusty grotto]

ive had people that keep dying to avoidable shit just outright leave the key, even though its still very much timeable

we had... that one guy i said last week that was raging because i was giga pulling FH, die repeatedly

left

[modern brook]

not a key it was lower

[lusty grotto]

still fucking timed with 4 people

[jagged gust]

Nice, we had a giga puller too, I was lazy so I just went arms... Unfortunately our healer wasn't familiar with that kind of gameplay

[lusty grotto]

we had this enh shammy that just kept dying over and over on every pull in NL

we were scratching our heads, how does this guy die on the first pulls

we kept going

guy quit the key after 2nd boss

like what the fuck lol

[jagged gust]

Just... afk standing in sanguine ig?

[lusty grotto]

still fucking timeable

[jagged gust]

"Why didnt they heal me?"

[lusty grotto]

no, this was a few weeks ago, i dont remember affixes

[jagged gust]

ngl I whiffed it like 3 times before first boss, felt like absolute trash

[lusty grotto]

we spent a second looking at what killed him on the 1st pulls

apparently

he stood in the poop the 2 worms drop

[jagged gust]

lollll

[lusty grotto]

we were scratching our heads

[toxic pewter]

if someone left and came back to just get loot I would just exit at that point myself. Would not let that individual get any chance at loot

[jagged gust]

I wasn't gonna burn some dudes key just cuz of some shitter tho

I gotta be better than that

[toxic pewter]

Na

It was done and it is done

I do not reward that behavior

[lusty grotto]

i just blacklist the guy

and move on

at least on that very specific scenario

[jagged gust]

Sad I couldnt even talk the the key person, they were speaking some latin language

[lusty grotto]

but it could be him just having bad issues with internet

idk

it happens

depends on the context i guess

like i didnt blacklist the shammy, its ok to have bad days

it happens

but the ret pally did insta go to PBL cause he was being a massive fucking cunt all key

[jagged gust]

Yeah fuck it, 4 manning a dungeon feels baller, and I'll probably never see the dude again anyways

[waxen frigate]

Bro playing with ancient Romans

[jagged gust]

You know what I meaaaan

[lusty grotto]

ipse se nihil scire id unum sciat

all i know is that i know nothing 🙂

[jagged gust]

idk what the all encompassing term for south american languages are

[lusty grotto]

oh no

here we go again

[jolly crystal]

Ecce! In pictura est puella, nomine Cornelia. Cornelia est puella Romana quae in Italia habitat

[lusty grotto]

you mean español

[jolly crystal]

(If anyone gets this you're showing your age 😄 )

[modern brook]

Mexican

[lusty grotto]

thats just very italian

[strong forum]

isnt that just spanish

[modern brook]

Mexican is American for Spanish, yeah

[lusty grotto]

😡

bull just memeing us muricans

[jagged gust]

I don't know if I'm actually learning or not here

[modern brook]

USA USA usa

[jolly crystal]

It's also what we in Northern Ireland call people from actual Ireland 😛

[modern brook]

U ever hear a wisconsonite talk about tackohs?

[lusty grotto]

hmm not sure, are those the ones that go "doncha know"

[toxic pewter]

I never call the language of people that speak Spanish that happen to live in Mexico 'Mexican'

[modern brook]

Yeah its tacko toosday Donchyano

[lusty grotto]

lmaoooo

[toxic pewter]

as an American myself this individual does not speak for me

want it noted in the log

[modern brook]

No one gives a shit

[toxic pewter]

that also is noted

[lusty grotto]

✍️

[jagged gust]

As a Canadian, when Americans do the Canadian accent to me it just sounds like they're imitating people from the midwest

[lusty grotto]

lol

is midwest accent the one that goes "eh"

[daring marlin]

Sounds like Bull.

Is he playing enh now???

[lusty grotto]

bull gets a pass

😄

[modern brook]

Lower isn't a dungeon

It's a test of will

As in I will fail

[jagged gust]

They're the ones that sound like peggy from that 70s show

[lusty grotto]

sorry eh

that kind of thing

lol

[jagged gust]

oh no problem eh

[modern brook]

There's a Peggy in that 70s show?

[lusty grotto]

oh thats just

[jagged gust]

Pretty sure thats the moms name

[lusty grotto]

yeah isnt that the dudes mom

[modern brook]

I thought that was kitty

[lusty grotto]

i dont even remember

lol

[jagged gust]

Kitty!

[lusty grotto]

youre right

[modern brook]

Peggy's the mom from koth

[jagged gust]

lol I'm slippin'

[lusty grotto]

the mom from family guy maybe?

[toxic pewter]

also peg from married with children

[modern brook]

True and real

[daring marlin]

Guess how many were Bull @lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

oh no family guy is lois

LOL

[modern brook]

It's koth

[modern brook]

6

[daring marlin]

:^)

[lusty grotto]

yeah yeah propane accessories ftw

[jagged gust]

I tell ya hwat

[daring marlin]

In his defense he was like 430

poor dude

[modern brook]

Im still 430

Haven't gotten a Drop in 2 months

[jagged gust]

For a sec my dumb ass thought 430 just meant he was high like 420, but extra

[modern brook]

Also true

[toxic pewter]

?

[daring marlin]

why do you lie tho

[modern brook]

? My rogues like 436

Oops 39

I just did crests upgrades yesterday in my defense

[jagged gust]

His facade is unraveling as we speak

[daring marlin]

sick whelp

[lusty grotto]

lol

[nocturne spindle]

i bet the whelp still better than the fragmnet

[crude notch]

430?

[modern brook]

This mf can't read

@daring marlin

[modern brook]

my trinket situation is so unbelievably fucked

I have 5 iridieus fragments and a 421 whelp shell

[crude notch]

But you just said you're 430

🤔

SUSSY BAKA

[daring marlin]

I was talking about your Warrior because your Warrior was the one I did the dungeon with.

[crude notch]

never trust bloodcringo

[modern brook]

smh problem one is playing with my warrior

[toxic pewter]

well guys I am officially a wow classic hardcore ptr player starting today

[crude notch]

let's go

[toxic pewter]

if anyone needs me you can reach me via dm

[crude notch]

are you gonna level as war?

[daring marlin]

Warrior is 440 with mostly 437 shit

lazy af

[crude notch]

Is it cheating if I level as Warlock?

What level do I get voidwalker

[toxic pewter]

yah gonna go prot warr i wont lie I never experienced vanilla as a prot warr, I played a mage for some reason lmao

warlock seems fun

lvl 20 for voidwalker iirc?

oh its 10

thats pretty good

[daring marlin]

You're gonna hate it

[toxic pewter]

lmao

i remember killing onyxia back i nthe day and our tank prot warrior literally did not know you can sunder armor more than 1 time and didnt know about the threat it gives

and we wiped for a long long time because he kept losing aggro

this happened over the course of weeks

XD

what is best alliance race for prot warr in classic

I guess just human right

[nocturne spindle]

cant decide if i wanna warlock or druid

human

dat swords skills too stronk

[toxic pewter]

oyeah skill

XD

[jolly crystal]

Dunno about for prot warrior but is the 1% hit from draenii still kinda good?

[toxic pewter]

seems good

[south zealot]

whats the best way to deal with the crocs in uldaman

maybe im doing ti wrong but it feels like their range is a little too far to just walk back

[nocturne spindle]

aint no dranei

[toxic pewter]

actually going gnome

[nocturne spindle]

might genuinly be the survivability strat

[toxic pewter]

why

[nocturne spindle]

uhh

whatever they have

the like

escape from all slows snares racial

is the gnomes thing

[jolly crystal]

Escape artist is pretty good

plus your harder to target 😄

[toxic pewter]

yah is that actually useful even in pve

[nocturne spindle]

for a hardcore yea

[toxic pewter]

yeah good point

[nocturne spindle]

for raids no

[toxic pewter]

still human is hard to beat though

human just too good

[nocturne spindle]

if your gonna raid yea

[toxic pewter]

then again being gnome prot warr is kind badass

gonna be first hardcore player to get thunderfury on my gnome

[jagged gust]

Human is too good, I assume parry hasting is a thing in classic wow unless they got rid of that

so the extra skill is just extra survival

Also the only thing slower than leveling a war is a pally, that shit was god damn painful

[toxic pewter]

oh damn just remembered

being in tank spec can i even do any damage in classic to do quests and crap?

[lusty grotto]

i just kite when the chomp starts casting

cant stutter step like snakes

but

you can just run out on casts

then go back in

can also abuse stuns/fear

[mighty valley]

you don’t really level as “prot warrior” in classic

[jagged gust]

that'd be downright masochistic

[toxic pewter]

yeah and apparently can only run 1 dungeon a day lol

[lusty grotto]

yeah that's only post legion honestly

[toxic pewter]

so like wtf i even be doing if i am a tank

[lusty grotto]

well, post MoP really

[mighty valley]

you’re good enough to tank dungeons with normal leveling talents setup

[toxic pewter]

oh

[mighty valley]

just carry a shield around

[jagged gust]

Yeah it's just dps with a shield iirc

[mighty valley]

and swap to it

[toxic pewter]

so basically i am an arms or fury warr who occasionally tanks

[jagged gust]

I used to tank as ret

[toxic pewter]

i see

[lusty grotto]

just spam sunders

its wrath classic still right?

[toxic pewter]

na basically vanilla hardcore

[lusty grotto]

ok so yeah spam sunders lol

[toxic pewter]

ptr server starting today

[lusty grotto]

good luck lol

[mighty valley]

fury feels like unbelievable ass while leveling with the dual wield miss penalties

[jagged gust]

people are saying priest is the imba leveling class for survival

[mighty valley]

just play mortal strike like a good kid

[lusty grotto]

it is, arms is the way to go

[jagged gust]

oh yeah its 2h all the way

[toxic pewter]

ok

lol

server is up

just came up

come join me

[hazy bronze]

Hi friends. As a moron, how do I avoid the rokmora/cragmaw frontal? Ty

[toxic pewter]

lol

[lusty grotto]

cragmaw you have to leap away

[mighty valley]

warrior is one of the more painful leveling experiences, but you know, that’s the price you pay for being the primo tank and also best dps in the game for some reason

[lusty grotto]

rokmora you just sidestep

[lusty grotto]

no thanks 👍

[jagged gust]

I'd do a hunter again but I'll be fucked if I have to learn how to weave aimed shot in between autos again

if pvp to the death really is a thing I'm going shaman

Windfury your ass with rag's hammer

[lusty grotto]

well good luck farming rag's hammer 🙂

im sure it can be done

but hardcore is hardcore

[jagged gust]

Oh I'm fucking dreaming we all know that xD

My ass is grass before I even unlock mana tide

[waxen frigate]

I’m prob going hunter for official hardcore

Or pally like I’ve done the most in HC

(Which is like 30 levels)

[jagged gust]

Just don't forget to stack spirit and +spell power

Those mend pet ticks are gonna blow your mind

[dusky canopy]

The fact that rags hammer is rare and then you’d have to never lose a duel

Ffffffff

[sick sentinel]

yes

not enough / too easy races kappa

[waxen frigate]

Yea but like

imagine if you end up being -that- guy on your server

The one with rag’s hammer who has never been bested

It literally lets you become a mythical entity in game

[dusky canopy]

Very tru

[daring marlin]

Did they make you die in duels in hardcore?

[sick sentinel]

that is a special duel

[daring marlin]

mak'gora is a whole seperate duel?

[waxen frigate]

It’s an option

I 100% wanna be a 1v1 perma death duel god

The bendak starkiller of WoW

[sick sentinel]

im pretty sure it has a cooldown

[dusky canopy]

It’s like a opt in thing

Dual to the actual in game death

[sick sentinel]

i think, there needs to be like a special death animation whenever you die.

and its like the entire world also knows you are dum and died

some like, you died dark souls shit

[dusky canopy]

Would be cool if they had like a global announcement when a max level character dies

In one of the duals

I mean

[sick sentinel]

literal just rip off dark souls and YOU DIED, huge letters maybe a wow ghost and graveyard as you are lying there dead

has some creepy sound effect play

[dusky canopy]

John smith: 1300hrs play time, Died to smith John in makgora

Whole server pogs out

Fs in chat

Etc

[sick sentinel]

i think it will

because i think we vastly underestimate the amount of classic andy, zero addon double digits IQ players there is on that game

[waxen frigate]

I think they would be really dumb not to have global announcements of max level deaths

[warm plinth]

duel deaths might be a mistake. I could see that getting stupid fast lol

well, outside of max level ofc

[waxen frigate]

No definitely not all levels

[sick sentinel]

no

[waxen frigate]

Maybe do a /yell for non-60s

But any level 60 death should be a global announce imo

[sick sentinel]

make is extremely clear that you can and will die if you sign up for that

[waxen frigate]

It’s it’s own command

Not just /duel

[jagged gust]

The amount of high level HC death vods where the person is a clicker is a little disturbing

[waxen frigate]

Classic Andy

HC is a matter of persistence and patience

Not difficulty

The difficulty is in the mind not the material

Like my most crushing HC death was because I overpulled

Because I was bored

[jagged gust]

Oh I literally cannot wait

To be an overzealous mid 40's character and just fuck my whole month up

because I pulled 3 trolls instead of 2

[lusty grotto]

im just gonna not risk a Ghash meme and say nothing

smh my head

good thing i have 3 other games im playing and a 4th one in its plastic cover until i finish one of the 3

well more accurately, once i finish the one SP game out of the 3 lol

[warm plinth]

Wdym

[lusty grotto]

pls no

[warm plinth]

I would never meme you

That's just preposterous

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-angela-dwight-schrute-shocked-gif-13363502

[warm plinth]

Name one time I've ever memed you

[lusty grotto]

you're right

i won't beetlejuice it

pinkythicc tho

[warm plinth]

I did 100k on hunter

[lusty grotto]

nice nice

[warm plinth]

422 ilevel. We moving up though

[lusty grotto]

good shit

[waxen frigate]

Night fae pog

[warm plinth]

Lol

[sick sentinel]

you never see me playing hardcore wow it's cuz i would die

am a cicker

[waxen frigate]

Gonna play tonight

[oblique garnet]

Hey same!

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-rookie-numbers-gif-20904132

[warm plinth]

yuge

[lusty grotto]

have you tried being good Late?

[warm plinth]

There's no chance you're a clicker. You press 18 buttons at once

[lusty grotto]

smh my head

[oblique garnet]

my trinket department is non existent

[warm plinth]

I'm still farming chest or legs on my hunter to get 4pc

[sick sentinel]

i can self craft legs

make them whatever i want

and since our legs are bad, makes is on par with neck craft fo rme

id do legs and then cloak, haste versa, or i am going to do crit haste neck, neck is the first option ATM

or i can upgrade that ring for second haste versa ring

[graceful kite]

you'd do 120k as kyrian

[warm plinth]

yeah tbh I have no idea why it still shows that. I don't have the plugin anymore

[graceful kite]

destro on sanguine week

my prayers go to this guy

[sick sentinel]

how is destro bad for sanguine

incase i get grouped with one

[warm plinth]

Rain of Fire is targeted on an area. So mobs moving is bad. Just make sure you move them as little as possible. A decent destro will try to place the RoF toward where you're going to move them for sanguine so it shouldn't be too bad

[daring marlin]

What ilvl is the loot from the megadungeon? O_o

[lusty tiger]

69

[sick sentinel]

420

[toxic pewter]

chamption track afaik

all the loot is dead on arrival

but prob 1 or 2 may still be good

[warm plinth]

Yeah pretty sure the one drop I saw was 437

But could be wrong idk

Id idn't pay attention to the track

[daring marlin]

Not if the effects are powerful enough

[toxic pewter]

yah im sure the trinkets will be used

but like the 'normal' gear and crap prob not

at least not by me

[daring marlin]

nvm I actually read the article, they're hero track

[toxic pewter]

oh really hero?

wow nice

[warm plinth]

You're nice

gottem

[toxic pewter]

nice guys finish last

accurate and true

[warm plinth]

🤔

[sick sentinel]

trinkets will still be heavily farmed

[toxic pewter]

ya

[sick sentinel]

only the tank one is shit

goes off maximum of twice in a 2 chest...... miss me with that.....

[lusty grotto]

i mean

its m0

or am i wrong

so they cant be "heavily farmed" since lockout

[sick sentinel]

oh, well im thinking m+, i cant see them not adding mega dungeon to 10.2

[lusty grotto]

right season 3

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's weekly lockout

And yeah they will add the mega-dungeon as M+ in S3

[sick sentinel]

my gripe is

is that if you activate it and its a 3 or 4 minute cd

and then you have something anything else and that has a 2 minute, 1 minute 30 cooldown...... and then you compare it to a 1 minute one...... unless its that ion cannon from command and conquer trinket, the super long cds on them are wtf

[warm plinth]

I mean...generally the longer the CD of a trinket, the more powerful the effect is.

[sick sentinel]

i only don't equip the lair 1 minute trinket cuz dread plates has str and harder to break

[warm plinth]

I mean, you want dreadplates to break or it doesn't do damage

[sick sentinel]

it doesn't really break on a 14

[atomic nest]

@oblique garnet hey what level and dungeon was that damage meter from

[warm plinth]

inb4 Brackenhide

[sick sentinel]

you guys want me to do neck crafted?

i have the stuff

[toxic pewter]

ya crated neck pretty good

[oblique garnet]

+20

fh

[sick sentinel]

what do you pay ppl for a craft these days

he says whatever fair tip

[warm plinth]

Depends on what it is. I'm a heavy tipper so I usually do like 10k

Sometimes more if I'm feeling froggy

[olive bay]

Going to craft my shield - we ust go crit/haste yeah?

[fresh igloo]

crit haste is a good choice for prot warrior yeah

i usually do guaranteed max crafts for 5k crafting fee.

[olive bay]

You on Illidan? lol

[sick sentinel]

im gunna have to gem that thing too.... lmao

[fresh igloo]

I am not heh

[olive bay]

I usually do 10k on Illidan

Make anywhere between 30-110k a day

decay stuff is 15k

[sick sentinel]

he made 11k off me

10k for neck 1 tap and 1k for big gemalso 1 tap

new stats (no itf or other haste buffs)

need to get under rot pants now

[coarse ginkgo]

That's crazy, on Stormrage I can barely charge 1k to do 447 stuff. Even the rarer stuff.

[cinder nova]

I barely glanced at this conversation and decided to just drop some shit in trade and just made like 50K off the 100+ insights rotting in my bag. I made like 5 crafts for 10K each.

Still sitting on a mountain of the fuckers.

People on Thrall just hurl cash at you fuck me.

[waxen pebble]

hi guys how is the back from sarka for prot warris?

[cinder nova]

It's free damage.

[warm plinth]

It's bad.

[cinder nova]

You lose a fuckload of HP though

Like a lot.

It's basically a parse cloak for tanks.

[warm plinth]

It also like never procs

[cinder nova]

Wouldn't that be relative to the fight?

What's the PPM?

[sick sentinel]

i havent tried selling my wares yet

[strong forum]

It practically never procs in m+

Only in raid

On a few bosses it's usable

Ppm is 5, takes 10 stacks

[cinder nova]

Well yeah, M+ has group damage, but it's not like continuous assblasting like some raid fights where it's just raid damage front to back.

[strong forum]

At best can you get one proc every 2 minutes

At best

[cinder nova]

So a parse cloak

[strong forum]

On some bosses, not all of them

[cinder nova]

Figures.

[warm plinth]

I assume the reason it's good for DPS is that the tank is always taking damage so you have a lot more chances to proc it

[cinder nova]

Likely.

Plus the stam is less critical for them.

[strong forum]

There's also fucky shit

In m+

It resets the stacks on combat loss

[cinder nova]

That's actual garbage

[strong forum]

Its legit just a shit cloak for m+

Super inconsistent

[cinder nova]

There's no grace period like Anvil or OWS?

[warm plinth]

The 15 sec grace period on Anvil is a life saver

[cinder nova]

It's huge.

[sick sentinel]

if i want a haste versa cloak that badly ill just wait 2 weeks and craft

[cinder nova]

Anvil has unironically sped up my runs since it feels like banner again.

Just trying to avoid losing that sweet, sweet buff

The opiate high of 5 stacks all key is bliss

[warm plinth]

It's actually a very good trinket in my experience. Surprisingly good

[strong forum]

Idk too in depth how it works

I just know it's fucky af

[warm plinth]

I left my stream on this afternoon

gonna get b&

[warm plinth]

rude

[daring marlin]

I looked for shits after you said this and I had 3 procs in the last dungeon I did with it.

LUHMAO

[toxic pewter]

Hate that cloak

[daring marlin]

Criminally terrible item

[toxic pewter]

Should of just left the stamina on it

Then would just be like whatever

[daring marlin]

hey we can upgrade it to 447 next patch

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[toxic pewter]

Ya

[graceful kite]

its insane for dps in raid tho

[toxic pewter]

I’ll go to my death thinking that cloak suk ass I’ll never change my mind

My final word may actually be “fuk sark cloak”

[sick sentinel]

under suck strikes again

[dusky canopy]

homies

are the stones gutted yet

[autumn lintel]

Should I try and upgrade this Lariat that has like 700+ haste or look for something else?

[dusky canopy]

i dont pay attention lmao

or is it not until 10.1.5

[dusky canopy]

lariat is doo doo boi

[autumn lintel]

its 4% of my haste and puts me over 30

[sick sentinel]

dps fell over like crazy in that key i went to go run

[graceful kite]

your haste cap is 40

[sick sentinel]

gunna run UR till i get the pants and or mastery trinket

[crude notch]

You can get 700+ haste from a lot of necks my friend

[crude notch]

July 11th. Loser.

[autumn lintel]

Let me put it this way, I have been holding onto a 398 Lariat because it was 4% of my total haste, shoudl I replace it with this 424 Crit/Mas neck lol

[warm plinth]

Yes, if only because you'll get a lot more damage out of a second patch

[autumn lintel]

Thanks!

[sick sentinel]

thats only at 437 and 1 socket adds up to 750 haste

[dusky canopy]

ayyye my man thanks

[south zealot]

i do like it wuite a lot

feels so bad when someone is in fucking narmia for whatever reason

but its fun

btw how good is forgestorm

is it worth farming

not home to sim my guy

[valid finch]

hello running prot alt was wondering what i should craft first with my enchanted wyrm crest. weapon or shield?

[warm plinth]

best in slot for single target, falls off in AoE

[warm plinth]

Shield is always a solid first craft

[valid finch]

ok thanks

[south zealot]

for m+ would you use a regular 441 orforgestorm

[warm plinth]

assuming same ilevel?

[south zealot]

i feel like the loss of mainstat would be bad for aoe and general defensiveness

yes same ilvl

[warm plinth]

I'd probably use the regular 441 for keys

[south zealot]

alright ty

[sick sentinel]

i hope these under rot pants dont turn into mark from lair all over again

run it 50 times never see it

[violet flume]

if i keep being unlucky and im stuck with my 415 whetstone, is it worth it to craft a 447 trinket?

if so which

im getting close to everything 441+ except trinket

prob gonna craft cloak then ring next so hopefully i get dagrul in the meantime

[delicate forum]

Not worth, Whetstone is really good even at 415 ilvl

[sick sentinel]

Honestly wq trinkets at this point might be better

I think I'd only replace 415 whet for something 424 + or known good like rocks

[violet flume]

crafted trinkets that crap even at 447 huh

[nocturne spindle]

isnt forgestorm better at equiv ilvl?

even in m+?

[warm plinth]

In ST, yes

[nocturne spindle]

i thought it was just a 447 crafted beats a 441

forgestorm

but a 447 forge beats a 447 crafted in m+

[warm plinth]

Forgestorm is not consistent. It can pop off but it can also do like 2% of your damage, which probably doesn't even cancel out the loss of strength.

Doesn't make it bad, to be clear. It means it may perform better sometimes than other times.

[nocturne spindle]

but yea

crafted wins at 8 target

same ilvl sims better forgestorm but barely at 5 target

so

more boss damage equal ish group damage

[daring marlin]

Just have them traded to you

🙂

[tribal flume]

is there 4tier bonus tracker for shield slam aoe buff?

[warm plinth]

410218 this is the spell ID for it

Just make a new WA from a template

and use that ID

[void garnet]

is there a spell reflect WA?

[warm plinth]

Not an updated one to my knowledge

[south zealot]

speaking of spell reflect i had a reflect bug and missed time on a 24 uldaman because of it

wanted to reflect 2 casts but instead it reflected neither and i died lol

[crude notch]

log or fake

[toxic pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas-ion-ion-hazzikostas-skill-issue-gif-21595688

[south zealot]

dont have one

[crude notch]

L

[south zealot]

thats not the only reason the key was bricked had some other dhit happen

but that not happening wouldve timed the key

[twin bramble]

playing too much wow on paternity leave... 8 +20s and its Thursday haha. tuesday will be juicy

[tender radish]

Is Sporecloak worth using as someone new to tanking protection or should I just get another shadowflame armor patch?

[tribal flume]

tks!

[plush tendon]

no sporecloak

either 2nd shadowflame or frostfire

maybe lariat if you have sockets everywhere

[tender radish]

Gotcha thank you!

[weary saddle]

what do u think

[south zealot]

lol

[crude notch]

yeah we definitely don't have any current season bosses that put a healing absorb on us

🙂

I'd be more worried about bosses taking this long

[undone verge]

how do you even fight that boss for that long

[warm plinth]

Heal, and then heal more

The puddles aren't actually dangerous from a damage perspective. It's the haste debuff that makes it kinda sus

But they don't scale; they only do like 13k damage per tick

[undone verge]

10 million io healer with 10 io dps

[crude notch]

To be very clear this is from the megadungeon not uldaman

@undone verge @warm plinth

[warm plinth]

wait what

👀

we fight the same boss twice

cool

[remote venture]

He got away last time!

[undone verge]

Ah that makes more sense

[undone verge]

they did say the new mega dungeon was tuned and designed more like a 10 man raid, and honestly as long as thats how the mega dungeon is and not the m+ version im totally down with that. 5 man Raiding would be dope

[pallid quiver]

no do it we need M+ to suddenly become mega degen

in fact, bring back vanilla dungeons for M+

don't break them up, all in one go

[jagged pier]

if u want that go play ascension

and go do like +50 strat

[undone verge]

Blackrock depths

[pallid quiver]

what the hell is ascension did i miss some classic news or something

[south zealot]

private server

[jagged pier]

no its a private server

build your own class

[south zealot]

bad idea

[jagged pier]

has m+

has raids

[pallid quiver]

I had a feeling, but I've also heard some dumb shit coming out of classic

[pallid quiver]

but i like bad ideas and bad video games

[undone verge]

may I introduce you to world of warcraft shadowlands

[pallid quiver]

That's not bad

[undone verge]

private server when?

[pallid quiver]

That's utter refuse

[south zealot]

i enjoyed shadowlands from 9.1.5 onwards

[urban portal]

Ascension is fun

[south zealot]

was a good experience

[urban portal]

Just too complicated

[undone verge]

I enjoyed shadowlands until 9.1

[urban portal]

You need people to play with you

Else you are stuck healing

[pallid quiver]

I only enjoyed S4 of SL and literally could not stand to play it at any other patch. And "enjoyed" is "It was fun to play Warrior" and I still hated the overall aesthetic and feel of the xpac

[south zealot]

idk why the fuck u would ever choose to heal in ascension

[undone verge]

S4 was goated

[south zealot]

im convinced people shit on shadowlands just to do it

after u could switch covenants freely it was fine lol

[pallid quiver]

I shit on it because I physically couldn't bring myself to play it for more than a week

[undone verge]

content was shit

[south zealot]

sure dragonflight is clearly superior but it was still fun

[pallid quiver]

Which, to me, is the definition of a bad time

And I wasn't having fun, so I just didn't play

[undone verge]

I never gave a shit about covenants cause I didnt play competitively

[south zealot]

why

how can u say the content is shit if u dont play competitively

what content are u even doing

[undone verge]

shadowlands and dragonflight both have the same issue tbh, I dont give a shit about the story

[pallid quiver]

I say what I do in the game is shit if what I do in the game feels like shit

you can enjoy it if you want

[south zealot]

dude

what the fick

[pallid quiver]

But you will never get me to say I enjoyed something I didn't enjoy

[south zealot]

do you do in the game

m+ was just clearly better in shadowlands

[undone verge]

real

[south zealot]

unfortunately the balance in m+ wasnt better but once ur in a group it was much better

[undone verge]

give me the feel of bfa with the m+ of shadowlands and the systems of dragonflight and thats a top tier expansion

[jagged pier]

no divide raid and m+ loot, bring back CMs with tog

thats a perfect expansion

i dont need to run ,m+

i can do CMs and stop

[pallid quiver]

bfa was another i couldn't stomach, but that's because of two things majorly; the movement of somethings to GCD (demo i'm looking at you) and it feeling like they tried to do the same general themes from Pandaland but just shit the bed

It was still better than SL to me because I liked to look at things in BFA

[jagged pier]

GCD IP

🙂

[south zealot]

sanctum gear was dope

i liked sanctums aesthetic as a whole

[jagged pier]

tier 3 becoming craftable soon

[pallid quiver]

I absolutely fucking love everything about walking into the Painsmith fight

[jagged pier]

theres tmog sorted

[pallid quiver]

That's about the only thing that particularly stands out to me in terms of ambience, tone, and overall aesthetic design to me in SL

I like a lot of the individual models for like gear and stuff

But it all combined just isn't distinctive enough or compels me enough

[jagged gust]

As someone with half of T3 sitting in the bank on my hunter I'm kinda sad it's not gonna be quite so exclusive, but so happy I can finally finish the set...

ig I coulda just bought it but I hate the idea of farming

[jagged pier]

i mean theres better ways of doing it

like more work for bliz

but if they really want to do every green stuff

well actually no

and yes

they can ither

do events or allow u to scale down and go do the old content how it was supposed to be done like FF

albeit it is hard to do that

and im including CMs and stuff in this as well

but any old raid they know the scale the talents and stuff etc

or

if u do it on classic

u get it in retail

[jagged gust]

Naxx was legitimately one of the hardest raids Ive ever done, I think even with our power creep scaled down there would be a helluva time completing it