left side is still the same?
#protection
round pendant
warm plinth
Yeah
round pendant
I just got my 4 set today so now I gotta get it in my muscle memory to spam last stand
lmao
warm plinth
lol
toxic pewter
I’m usually against a lot of macros but I did put last stand and avatar together
Seems to generally work pretty well for me so far
round pendant
nah I won't be doing that I'll just press last stand more often as it's already in a comfy spot
toxic pewter
Do most of you guys keep last stand separate keybind
warm plinth
Yep
toxic pewter
Maybe will consider unmacroing it
warm plinth
Theoretically you could keep it macroed if you're tracking the CD, and just make you press the macro when it's off CD, even if Ava isn't
I do that with on-use trinkets that have mismatching CDs
toxic pewter
Yah I do keep it tracked
I won’t lie avatar and last stand often are on similar cooldowns or pretty close so I just save a button tap
At least like every other avatar I mean
graceful kite
should i play stalker?
play anomaly or gamma
stalker is all about atmosphere story is just pure trash
sick sentinel
a shit post boss or game can still be good
look at x slayers
its stupid but its lovable
graceful kite
wdym post boss
glass nacelle
So i have a question. Whats our haste cap?
graceful kite
40%
glass nacelle
is that without into the fray or with it?
graceful kite
Without
glass nacelle
so crit is 40 cap?
modern brook
I mean that's also not true but whatever
warm plinth
So i have a question. Whats our haste cap?
Open character sheet, hover over haste. The percentage listed next to the rating at the bottom of the tooltip is what needs to be at 39-40% before you start avoiding haste.
sick sentinel
ya, 40 is where u stop going after haste, is no longer worth it
glass nacelle
sick sentinel
40 from stats
glass nacelle
its 32.61%
warm plinth
So you got 7% to go before you need to worry
glass nacelle
okay
sick sentinel
right, but hover over so it displays a haste amount
warm plinth
btw, FYI to everyone, the 2nd DR actually kicks in at 39%, not 40
toxic pewter
What the most haste someone can get with buffs and everything
warm plinth
no idea
sick sentinel
i got 42% from stats with a flask haste proc
don't also have wafting, put on sophic instead, did have wafting for a while
lusty grotto
should we have a pin for the whats our haste cap question? its 7100 rating, its unatainable, never stop getting haste. End of story.
alright who wants to tank my alt's 20 FH
sick sentinel
i neverthought i'd be running undersuck sanguine again
lusty grotto
lets go
listen porkky...
i would but im not convinced
just put "toxichip" in the application thingie
i tried
thin phoenix
question, is avoidance or leech better for tanks?
thin phoenix
figured
sick sentinel
its not it does nothing, but its generally really bad
its versa for fire cricles on the ground tldr
lusty grotto
no
its not
its aoe dmg not avoidable dmg
versa is better than avoidance
by a wide margin
simply because it applies to everything and not just aoe like avoidance
sick sentinel
ya, it has a narrow window of targets it can "avoid"
lusty grotto
sure
sick sentinel
and the effect is so little its not worth
warm plinth
Okay what is this
warm plinth
Avoidance isn't a bad stat. Vers is not better than avoidance (they aren't even the same kind of stat so why would you compare them?). The reason you generally take leech over avoidance is because the things we take a lot of damage from are generally single target and thus not affected by avoidance, so the healing is preferable to the limited reduction. This also only applies to this season as different dungeons have different damage patterns. Next season, avoidance could be incredible. We don't know.
cinder nova
it also doesn't seem to indicate what weapon consume it uses
warm plinth
I got halfway through and decided I wanted to reword it
lusty grotto
he didnt ask for an in depth discussion
the truth is, avoidance usually goes for more DR per point than vers does
that's the one point i would make
warm plinth
I wasn't even typing it for him. I was typing it because "avoidance does nothing for tanks" is factually incorrect.
lusty grotto
but honestly i didnt think there's a reason to discuss it
situational DR per point, but still more
yeah yeah i knew you were gonna nitpick it
ill be more careful with my wording
warm plinth
I wasn't nitpicking. I was correcting an incorrect statement.
lusty grotto
I wasn't nitpicking. I was correcting an incorrect statement.
you know for a fact i tend to be hyperbolic
warm plinth
lusty grotto
im hurt
cinder nova
Genuine question - why is static the default
warm plinth
I have no idea
cinder nova
I thought tepid vers was our best
warm plinth
SAme reason I have no idea why Eye in the storm doesn't even exist in sims
warm plinth
you know for a fact i tend to be hyperbolic
I don't mind hyperbole when it's obvious that it's hyperbole. Someone random coming in to ask a serious question isn't going to know that though.
lusty grotto
anyway APL questions should go to Nome/Mwahi and Mooo etc
cinder nova
Because I lose about 2.5K+ DPS and something tells me that a bunch of secondaries aren't gonna make that difference unless it's hitting someone's breakpoints
warm plinth
Because I lose about 2.5K+ DPS and something tells me that a bunch of secondarie...
It's hard to say since it depends on how many different flights you have and how many people with the trinket. I assume you also don't need to use it if you have another person already using your flight?
cinder nova
That's why I said a full stack.
All 5 covered
Is there a general approximate raid DPS gain from a 5-stack essence?
lusty grotto
what do you mean by raid dps
are you referring to your personal dps while in a raid?
or by the group's dps?
cinder nova
Raid DPS as in the raid's DPS.
lusty grotto
ok so your group's dps
cinder nova
You don't look at individual damage to see if you got the throughput to kill a boss, you look at the raid's DPS.
lusty grotto
or raid group, rather
cinder nova
If I'm losing 2500 DPS and we get a net gain of less than that
Me using this is actually a downgrade across the board
warm plinth
Right but it still depends on how many people in the raid have the trinket beyond the 5 flights being covered because the more people with it, the more people who are gaining stats from it. If you have all 5 covered and you're providing one of them, then it's worth using.
I can't give you an exact answer of how much DPS it is
cinder nova
I keep hearing that, but without numbers I'm having a hard time believing it. Generally, as far as I'm aware, we have the minimum 5 players using it.
warm plinth
Because there are tons of variables.
lusty grotto
yeah
cinder nova
There's gotta be a way to quantify it.
warm plinth
The specs of your raid group would impact it a lot as some specs get a ton more out of stats than others.
You could but it would take a lot of work. You'd have to have everyone with the trinket in your raid group sim vs the trinket they'd use if they weren't using OCE
And add it all up, gains and losses
thin phoenix
seems good to be the teamplayer anywho
cinder nova
You could but it would take a lot of work. You'd have to have everyone with the...
🤔 ...can't I just do that myself?
thin phoenix
not like tanks need thatttt many stats to do their job
warm plinth
I mean, you can, if you're sure everyone has their proper gear/talents on the armory
cinder nova
I can probably just hassle them to send me a /simC of their ST setup.
warm plinth
Or you'd have to get a simc string from them with the proper shit on
I can tell you right now it's going to be more than 2500 DPS gain though
lusty grotto
and also keep in mind that their classes APLs might not be correct, etc
imo its kinda pointless, but i guess its a good time-waster
cinder nova
I can tell you right now it's going to be more than 2500 DPS gain though
How do you figure?
Do some of the specs just get absolutely outrageous value out of it?
warm plinth
Some specs get absolutely insane value out of stats (relatively). Outlaw rogues, frost mages, BM hunters, etc. I don't know all of the specs but those are the 3 I know off the top of my head.
Any spec that replaces annulet with a slightly higher stat ring basically
south zealot
almost every spec does that lol
well like half are slightly and the other half are like 15-20
warm plinth
Not in single target
And yeah, I'm not talking about 15-20 ilevel. I'm talking about like...my hunter replaced annulet with a 428 ring with stats
That's how much BM likes stats
cinder nova
Apparently we have 7
PWarr
UDK
Devoker x2
Fire
Enh
Fury
I wish there was a way to just sim an entire raid's DPS 
Wouldn't it just be using class/spec APLs en masse?
warm plinth
It would, yes. But it would also take quite a bit of processing power if thousands of people are doing it
warm plinth
Because it'd be 1 person simming 20 people at once
cinder nova
I'm aware. More people than necessary would be using it for something they probably would overfixate on.
Making it both niche and misleading.
cinder nova
Plus a lot of it would just be to see raw output, which a lot of fights just don't facilitate.
warm plinth
well to be fair that's sims in general
lusty grotto
but out of logs
you can probably csv export and manipulate over an existing log of a fight
you'd have to power pivot the shit out of it
and talking about it is making me PTSD, so fuck it ill stop
cause i hate excel/sheets and CSVs with a passion
cinder nova
Really? I've never had issue with them.
lusty grotto
you must be an accountant
cinder nova
Then again, the sheets I make are for end-user D&D crap held together with chewing gum and a prayer.
Nah.
Well...
lusty grotto
well im a software eng, i fucking hate them
cinder nova
I moonlight as the accountant for every party I run with 🫠
lusty grotto
and i wish they all burn to the ground forever
cinder nova
Since nobody keeps track of loot or valuables.
cinder nova
Honestly most of my experience with excel isn't even built out over a mastery of the software. It's just like a stack overflow copy-paste behavior from sheets I've read, cannibalized stuff from, and then learned how they behave from some fucked up kind of osmosis.
lusty grotto
but the problem there is you dont know how much dps is added, which is what you're trying to find out
so its probably not a good idea lmao
cinder nova
So it's like a quilt made from weird shit outta hobby lobby.
lusty grotto
yeah that's not what im referring to haha
its a good tool for good things, power processing is better done via python though honestly
power pivoting is just ass
cinder nova
How dirty would the napkinmath be if I just scraped bloodmallet
Would it be so blindly out of whack to be useless, or would it at least give a very rough approximation
lusty grotto
honestly just sim the 7 people
with and without
since OCE, but i could be wrong here, only affects those people that have OCE themselves
if you have 7, though
there are repeated flights no?
and they can only benefit once per flight
cinder nova
Correct, but it's more people off-setting any "lost" DPS from BIS trinkets.
Some classes, it seems, want OCE as BIS
As long as they get the right flight and have the rest of the group to fill it out.
lusty grotto
yeah i understand
lusty grotto
lol i called it idol a lot as well
daring marlin
we're a couple of big dummy heads tbh
sick sentinel
hide behind rock prevailing tactic for survival for many years
This is why I play protection warrior
cinder nova
During M Rashok I'll take Flaming Slash and twice I've seen that I have like 160-180K of IP but post-slash it doesn't even move.
Is the aura for my IP just not updating fast enough?
I kinda assume that's what it is. I haven't dug through logs yet.
@strong forum Dunno if you're lucid, but I realized that I'm using the IP in your pack - you seen this before?
Big hits cleaning out IP but not updating it?
cinder nova
No idea.
Probably?
Either way I'm noticing some weird shit and with bit slaps like M Rash it makes me skittish
lusty grotto
not probably, it is
cinder nova
If you say so, I currently do not have the luxury to poke through, just sending inquiries between pulls
lusty grotto
daring marlin
yeah yeah yeah
cinder nova
Do you think I need Splock for M Rash? 🤔
cinder nova
I think Sense killed w/o it
cinder nova
I think with the way my raid SoH is set up I might be able to just run it with wall, but during prog I think the Splock to take off heat near the last 20% is kinda big
frozen rose
Foeks. Mythic zskarn. Tank swap stack amount?
orchid mural
Anyone got a usefull t30 4pc weakaura?
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oops
lusty grotto
more ddos shenanigans?
bright wagon
warm plinth
what the fuck
proper roost
🤔
thin phoenix
What do you guys think about taking versatility on ominous trinket? Cause most classes won’t take it right?
jagged gust
jagged gust
Let me ask you a question, where does vers land in our stat priority?
lusty grotto
have checked pins?
jagged gust
If you can answer that then you have our answer
lusty grotto
i see
jagged gust
Should've @'d burning, sorry nim
lusty grotto
no worries
south zealot
What do you guys think about taking versatility on ominous trinket? Cause most c...
dps warriors can use vers just fine
if u have one in ur guild
thin phoenix
Haha was just wondering. Tryna be a team player out here. Just did a lot of runs today where everyone had haste chosen
thin phoenix
Both pug and with guildies
jagged gust
dps warriors can use vers just fine
It's still bottom of the totem pole for their stat prio tho, arms shares ours and fury just has a higher prio on mastery but we all crave haste more than anything
south zealot
It's still bottom of the totem pole for their stat prio tho, arms shares ours an...
its like 100-300dps max
thin phoenix
fuck being a team player
Hahah
south zealot
you want some of every stat so u can budget less vers in ur gear and choose to take vers
vers actually sims the second highest for me on both warrior specs
jagged gust
thats wild
thin phoenix
Yeah my prot set weights were 3.0 crit, 2.97 haste, vers 2.81, mastery 2.7
I got a pogstorm today and it was insane to see how it sims 3k dps higher than a same iL 1h
jagged gust
Take forgestorm with a grain of salt, it averages nicely but in reality it can be anywhere from 2-7% of your total damage
That being said it's still a poggers weapon
proper roost
Also doesn't have stats
it'll sim high ST but start dropping off hard on aoe
due to the lack of scaling stats on it
less str on an item is a big deal
thin phoenix
Hmm that’s a good point. Wonder if I should just craft the 1h then
crude notch
Yeah my prot set weights were 3.0 crit, 2.97 haste, vers 2.81, mastery 2.7
Weights. :Susge:
urban portal
do NOT sim stat weights
warm plinth
Raidbots even has a gigantic warning when you go to that page (and is also why it's hidden behind a drop down)
proper roost
if you recraft a s1 item with a flavor pocket into s2, will it retain the flavor pocket?
toxic pewter
stayed on my weapon also
proper roost
alright dope
just 1 time investment for each of my characters then
assuming they do it the same in s3 ig 🤔
err... and I want the flavor pocket on the same slot... heck
lusty grotto
Do i play in battle or D stance for fort keys primarily?
battle stance, swap to d stance only when you know big dmg is coming
remember to dance correctly and swap back
sand hound
battle stance, swap to d stance only when you know big dmg is coming
And if you’re newish to tanking and not sure when big dmg is coming always, just live in battle stance and learn the hard way?
sand hound
Except I don’t lol. I got lucky with gear in raid. My rogue is 2800 so I know the basics of pulling speed and efficiency. But still learning which mobs smushes more than others.
lusty grotto
i mean the idea is you got that knowledge doing pre-20s but it is what it is
just think about whats been hurting you and use it there
sand hound
Idk 16s hurts a lot less than 20s
fresh igloo
any big bleed from mobs during fort week? probably hurts. any big cast bar from a boss? probably hurts
fresh igloo
Idk 16s hurts a lot less than 20s
well. yeah? obviously?
is there something specific you're wondering about?
sand hound
That’s what I’m getting at. Dude is like I should know but… 16s don’t hurt lol.
lusty grotto
you still notice big chunks of hp dropping in lower keys
fresh igloo
you can still see the proportions
fresh igloo
you can do M0 and see "oh I bet that's gonna hurt later"
if you are playing well and your health bar doesn't move on a 16, and then suddenly it dips a bit
that was an indicator
sand hound
I guess. Maybe I’m not looking that far into it since I’m new to tanking. I’m still learning. Even while I’m doing 20s @lusty grotto 🤪 even though I should know better?
lusty grotto
learning never stops
fresh igloo
practice makes perfect!
fresh igloo
I've been playing this game for a long ass time man, I'm not even good, I just see patterns and try to adapt
my little group of friends, our goals are just AOTC and portals. it takes time, but we get there. everyone has to learn each season tho
sand hound
is there something specific you're wondering about?
And to answer this, it was what I should primarily use battle or defensive stance. Which he answered. But then he came at me like I should know when’s everything is coming so that’s where it took off from there.
proper roost
the best way to stop improving in this game is to think that you (or anyone) played/plays perfectly
lusty grotto
im not coming at you
fresh igloo
no one coming at you
lusty grotto
i said you should have an idea
proper roost
there are so many microdecisions every single second in combat that people make mistakes all the time basically
fresh igloo
it's just facts. you gotta play it. learn it. stance dance when it matters.
lusty grotto
you mentioned 20s specifically
fresh igloo
prot warrior discord doesn't bullshit you
proper roost
the skill FLOOR for doing high keys as a tank is knowing when to cd
if you're unsure which packs hit hard, because you haven't paid attention
lusty grotto
smh
proper roost
At a certain key level you will just start getting oneshot by them
toxic pewter
I’ll tell u when to d stance
toxic pewter
Just add me on discord as friend can monitor ur stream
proper roost
you can get away, for a REALLY long time, without cding correctly
even remotely so
And then often new tanks will just hit a wall where they just never learned where to cd
routing isn't even important this season because almost all the keys are just hold w
But if you're not sure which packs hit hard, you are going to hit this wall. you need to pay attention in lower keys that a certain set of mobs or individual mob really fucked you up
and it is definitely visible... you realize that everyone in here started doing low keys this season too, right
No one started in 20+
They learned what hit hard from their 17s and shit gearing up
proper roost
yeh, so he's hit the wall
fresh igloo
i mean it's the same shit in any game, really. playing nightmare keys in diablo 4 rn. when knight penitent does the big wind up, or the fallen taskmaster does the over head move
proper roost
it's classic later in the season
fresh igloo
you lean to GTFO or you die
proper roost
when people get geared way faster than normal
lusty grotto
i dont think hes hit the wall honestly
sand hound
Yeah I geared with raid and like 11s for crests
fresh igloo
you have to respond to the cues, but you have to LEARN the cues
proper roost
maybe
i mean, thing is, i have seen so many new tanks just not press cds at all
or purely reactively when they're 20%, that's like the #1 thing
And then you're just dead anyway usually
lusty grotto
the correct way to play is to primarily be in battle stance, but if you're not sure, then fuck it go d-stance
proper roost
esp on pwar that doesn't really have great recovery cds
lusty grotto
and then again, fine tune around it
proper roost
it's way more* forgiving to play dumb reactive on something like bdk
sand hound
I just asked because I wasn’t in D stance for a specific pull in uldaman and got smushed and my group gave me hell for not staying in D stance always
proper roost
Well first of all don't listen to pugs
lusty grotto
well you shouldnt be
sand hound
And I thought I was supposed to primarily be in battle with swapping to d for hard pulls
lusty grotto
but you just found out where to be in d-stance
proper roost
Secondly, if a tank dies in a key it is pretty much entirely your fault
toxic pewter
Was it the basilisks
fresh igloo
And I thought I was supposed to primarily be in battle with swapping to d for ha...
that is correct
jagged gust
That’s what I’m getting at. Dude is like I should know but… 16s don’t hurt lol.
Clearly you haven't pugged with a healer who forgets they're not a spriest
proper roost
so there's SOMETHING you can do better
toxic pewter
I think he said he played with friends
sand hound
Was it the basilisks
Nah the big golem group with all the dwarves
proper roost
the answer of what that something is, is just not always clear
sand hound
After 3rd boss
toxic pewter
Oh ya those golems can mess u up
fresh igloo
I just timed my first +20 uld earlier tonight. I died. it happens. there's some really shitty damage in there on fort weeks.
sand hound
Yeah learned that lol
proper roost
Also that golem pull isn't dictated by tank hp pace
lusty grotto
well there you go
proper roost
it's dictated by group hp
lusty grotto
you just learned
fresh igloo
but that doesnt' mean you should be in d-stance the whole key lol
lusty grotto
but your group was wrong
proper roost
if you overpull that in a way that it kills the tank, it will like pretty much 2 shot the group
sand hound
That’s kinda what I thought but figured I’d ask y’all’s opinion
sand hound
I think he said he played with friends
Nah 1 friend but rest pugs
sand hound
Yeah he fucks
fresh igloo
it's the fissure thing, right?
sand hound
100%
fresh igloo
that killed you?
toxic pewter
Honestly uldaman my personal most scary dungeon
fresh igloo
it trucks on fort week
sand hound
Yeah that pull
lusty grotto
again, now youve identified where to swap to dstance
fresh igloo
all the little dudes are doing decent damage, and then the golem fissure hit eats like most of your healthh
toxic pewter
there’s no shame popping d stance for that pull and any golems if you don’t los the others ones I guess
sand hound
And got yelled at for not living in d stance every dungeon on fort week lol
lusty grotto
and once again your group is wrong
uldaman can have a lot of points where you need to swap
toxic pewter
Fuk backseat tanking pugs
lusty grotto
especially when your group cant kick for shit, and/or you cant LoS
and/or you cant dwarf or stutter step bleeds
which is why
its listed in the pins
as a dungeon you go spell block on
proper roost
ohh I was thinking about this area
fresh igloo
And got yelled at for not living in d stance every dungeon on fort week lol
how many +20s have they tanked as a prot warrior?
toxic pewter
I run spell block for uldaman myself even I just find it helps smooth out a lot of the dwarf packs and final boss. Better on tyran but even fort I find uses for it
sand hound
how many +20s have they tanked as a prot warrior?
🤷♂️
lusty grotto
everyone (here in disc) runs spell block on it
fresh igloo
well there ya go
lusty grotto
thats why its pinned
fresh igloo
they don't know shit about what they're talking about lol
lusty grotto
fresh igloo
if you WANT to just do shitty tank DPS but be safer, you can be in d-stance all the time
but it's pointless
huge waste of damage output/time
our survival comes from good play.
proper roost
also tank damage is very substantial esp in uldaman where its constant aoe
and killing things faster = best damage reduction unironically
sand hound
Well thanks for the advice guys. I know learning shit sometimes requires me to get smooshed and that was tonight lol. I’ll continue to staying in battle stance with continuing to learn where to swap to D.
fresh igloo
a general point of advice: back seat tanking is almost always wrong about the fix. they might be validly pointing out a PROBLEM but they don't usually know what the right answer actually is.
lusty grotto
well said
proper roost
the dstance swap is usually the last thing you want to do
fresh igloo
so take a step back and see how to make it make sense before you just go for whatever bullshit they are saying lol
proper roost
well
I guess kiting is the last thing you want to do
but dstance swap, outside of doing it for a couple singular busters, is generally not good
like you don't really use it as a "stance" (ironic, but w/e), think of it more like a shitty mini cd that reduces your damage done by 15%
for 3-xs (depending on how long you stay in it)
as a very basic example, if you take a blazing slash on Neltharus Wardens with no cd, it can be a good idea to dstance for the hit
but you immediately want to swap back to battle afterwards
And the value of doing the dstance there is not high and possibly worse than not having dstanced, provided you wouldn't have died
fresh igloo
gonna be 20% mitigation soon woo
not changing anything we do, just gravy DR when you need it lol
(for reals tho the +10 seconds on spell block feels great in nelth, i really appreciate that one)
jagged gust
it already is 20%, that was this last reset
fresh igloo
am slow confirmed
jagged gust
Regular dstance enjoyer over here
proper roost
dang was kinda burned out of keys lately but this has got me wanting to run a few more again 
jagged gust
Who needs damage? Call me Willy Nelson cuz I'm Gonna Live Forever
crude notch
Who needs damage? Call me Willy Nelson cuz I'm Gonna Live Forever
But your name is Willy Knifeman
proper roost
is survival in keys cracked or have i just had the only neltharus route in weeks that used chains correctly
this guy done did 167k overall
that's too much bro. he did too much damage
crude notch
Survival is cracked
proper roost
is literally the only thing keeping them from viability the fact that they are tissue paper
proper roost
that's wild
so it's like SL s3/s4 survival except less dps
and the dungeons do way more damage
crude notch
👀
jagged gust
I'd like to gain 20% from your 4p in AoE
he's a shower not a grower
fresh igloo
haven't played hunter since surv was explosive arrow based
jagged gust
Legion was the only time I had fun as surv
Hucking half a dozen traps, eagletalon going ham, shit was a blast
crude notch
It's annoying how hunter feels survivability wise
proper roost
i'm still just salty about
the hunter pets not being able to be any family
and bringing raid buffs
it doesn't help that we only have one druid in our whole guild atm so we frequently miss vers buff for prog which is deeply unfun
jagged gust
Legit, fuck pvp for ruining that, I jus t want to bring the aesthetic that pleases me
proper roost
idk how they literally went backwards from mop design
jagged gust
#Letmyponiesraid
stark saddle
So i have sheild frostfire belt shadowflame boots and ring crafted with 4 shadowflame sparks i dont need to make weapon cause i have forgestorm, i have heroic 4 pc but ive been insanely unlucky with shoulder still at 392, should i just use a spark for shoulders?
jagged gust
My brother in christ you can craft better gear with whelpling crests
stark saddle
Oh? i got 17 of those. i just started playing again since last thur
so im out of the loop on stuff still
fresh igloo
you can get up to like 408 or 411 with out even spending a shadwoflame spark
jagged gust
Yeah 408 ain't fantastic but if it saves you a spark I'd do it
Tier shoulders aren't awesome, but the pants don't even have haste
proper roost
Class design in mop is over rated AF.
well i don't disagree overall but it was kind of the golden time for hunter design
and raid comp kinda stuff
i don't really think the raid comp situation in DF is bad at all, but
our enh is not really happy that he's pretty much just a walking wft when his spec is bad
stark saddle
oh so make the explorers and toss in that that be a decent upgrade
proper roost
or same with the havoc dh
jagged gust
Yeah 16 ilvls, then you can hold out a bit longer for tier shoulders or smthing
crude notch
Thankfully Enhance is good. Ezpz
stark saddle
yeah im 426 atm so that should put me closer to 430
jagged gust
But like even niffen drops upgrade to 411, surprised you haven't had an upgrade from there yet
crude notch
So does Bear but that doesn't stop Pumps from getting top 20. So find another excuse.
crude notch
There's two?
stark saddle
one last week and this week
crude notch
Oh
stark saddle
only been playing like 2 weeks sorry
crude notch
So one weekly twice
stark saddle
yeah
jagged gust
Man's been playing 2 weeks and has heroic 4 piece but calls himself unlucky
stark saddle
lol
i got draged through the first 7 bosses on heroic with a friends guild
and today i got forgestorm and the magmamoth dps trinket
so i am lucky for sure
proper roost
So does Bear but that doesn't stop Pumps from getting top 20. So find another ex...
why are u angy
i'm just saying he don't like doing lowest dps
and only being brought in cuz wft
tank balance is way closer than dps balance
in raids
🤔
median tulip
DPS who don't know how to do the frog boss on HoI piss me off
A Warlock and a Shaman, and ZERO aoe stuns or slows
proper roost
why
do not get upset about other people, you cannot control their play
be at peace with the factors out of your control
getting mad at them (or rather, choosing not to) is the only thing you can control, about other peoples' bad play
echo egret
After several (failed) tries, I just don't see how I can deal with uldaman's basiliks and their chomp spam, when there are 2 or more on 20 fortified. I'm doing my best to aggro them fast and hard, then kite, but kiting is severly limited in these corridors, and I always end up getting 2 stacks of the bleeds, which I can't survive even with defensives up. And I don't have stoneform or an evoker in a pug. Any tip welcome. And this is a sanguine week on top of that.
median tulip
After several (failed) tries, I just don't see how I can deal with uldaman's bas...
Cycle (AoE) stuns and try to kill one as fast as possible. I found it way easier to stay alive in combat and generating rage to IP with. But they are definitely a DPS check. Also Darkness if you have a DH
median tulip
do not get upset about other people, you cannot control their play
It's just an annoying waste of time when people don't know how to use their abilities
proper roost
a depleted key is never a waste of time
you should always look to learn something even if everyone else is the one making mistakes
depletes are part of keys and the entire key experience is what's healthy to enjoy not just the w's, otherwise why not just stay doing 16s
median tulip
Oh no, the Shaman called us all trash and ragequit, so no complete
and when I tried to tell him what he did wrong he swore at me and blocked me
So no learning there
proper roost
i mean 🤷 it happens
median tulip
I resent him wasting my time
proper roost
what do you gain from having his experience live rent free in your mind
it wastes even more of your time and mental energy
all you can do is move on
warm plinth
gotta love 4am pugging
jagged pier
ppl still need crests?
remote venture
I do :(
ionic plank
my alts need tons :)
crude notch
when 1%ers realize that most of the playerbase don't max out all levels of crests in the first month
jagged pier
the way it should be
ionic plank
tbf doing 1x 20 a week and being in extend prison left me at <5 crests for weeks
ionic plank
then people who play keys all the time have 100 aspects crests
jagged pier
i just dont need them 🤷 but i have been lucky
ionic plank
I havent needed any for a few weeks
will need a few when 10.1.5 hits I guess, but reclearing now
crude notch
i just dont need them 🤷 but i have been lucky
You also were doing content that dropped max ilvl gear week one, when 99% of the playerbase doesn't.
median tulip
I think I need 6 more to max all my gear slots. Fewer if Vault gives me a useful slot next week.
Also there are reports about being able to upgrade some gear even higher in 10.1.5? IDK how real that is tho
ionic plank
Also there are reports about being able to upgrade some gear even higher in 10.1...
anything that drops at 441 or above will go up to 447
no higher, no lower
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> Dunno if you're lucid, but I realized that I'm using the I...
When did you last update the pack
median tulip
With Aspect Crest?
ionic plank
and as jordan said, the upgrade track is 3 steps, 441 > 444 > 447
crude notch
With Aspect Crest?
Yes
median tulip
Yeah, so good to farm some extra crests already
ionic plank
and it will work retroactively, so if you have an item from first few mythic bosses it will become upgradeable
ionic plank
Yeah, so good to farm some extra crests already
tbh might just fill all my vaults with 16s this week onwards, after doing 1x 20 a week for ages
median tulip
Cool, I got Dreadplate. Probably do my Set pieces first tho
median tulip
The game has given me every trinket EXCEPT Anvil and Irideus
ionic plank
Are you in the right channel?
wrong discord I think, not sure any warrior spec wants iridius
crude notch
M Kazzara, M Amal, M Assault, M Experiments, M Rashok, 16-19 M+ vaults, Heroic Nelth's Calls, and Heroic Sark Cloak all upgradeable.
median tulip
I don't want it; I just don't have iit
median tulip
this season, yes
median tulip
I haven't even seen a Shield drop all season tho
crude notch
why do you want a shield?
median tulip
This is #protection , right?
burnt knot
Is ULD tank trinket any good
crude notch
This is <#148897941883584512> , right?
Yes but why do you want one to drop?
median tulip
Yes but why do you want one to drop?
Well I don't any more, I crafted one
hidden linden
Is ULD tank trinket any good
It's basically the worst thing you can have equipped
burnt knot
Much love
median tulip
It's basically the worst thing you can have equipped
Lingering Sporepods is worse.
median tulip
Hmmmm.... I see your point
warm plinth
Lingering Sporepods is worse.
yeah nah, sporepods is better than the uld trinket
median tulip
Both are 
crude notch
yeah nah, sporepods is better than the uld trinket
"sporepods is better than" is a collection of words i never thought I'd see, but here we are.
warm plinth
I know right lol
burnt knot
Stuck with Vial and Landslide, which should I pursue to change the vial?
median tulip
In an expansion or two they'll bring Sanguine Depths back into rotation and we'll be having this conversation about the Bladedancer's Armour Kit again
hidden linden
Stuck with Vial and Landslide, which should I pursue to change the vial?
do you raid at all?
burnt knot
No
crude notch
I need a season where it's literally Sporepods, Inexorable, Pulsating Stoneheart, Slimy Consumptive Organ, and Bladedancer's.
median tulip
Market was the second best dungeon in Shadowlands, but the codex can go DIAF
jagged gust
Slimy Consumptive Organ, just saying it feels right
jagged pier
please no jordan i dont need ppl complaining every day that they have to use low ilvl pieces because they are better like the rings this season
crude notch
Stuck with Vial and Landslide, which should I pursue to change the vial?
Pins got you covered
hidden linden
If you don't raid, Vial is fine-ish. You can still try and get the uldaman air raid one, or Heart of Thunder from VP, those should be fine
burnt knot
Thank you both
jagged gust
Actually what ilvl are we talking here?
crude notch
what?
lime urchin
If you don't raid, Vial is fine-ish. You can still try and get the uldaman air r...
I play the air raid one from uldaman and it always feels so clunky to use it on cd
warm plinth
Yeah I wouldn't wish that trinket on anyone
median tulip
Like Beacon to the Beyond. It trucks, but boy is it annoying to use
hidden linden
What don't like dying to your own trinket? :D
burnt knot
Trying to get better at prot this season but warr feels much weaker than it was before hence why I want more def trinket to replace the vial atm
hidden linden
(But agreed, never used it and never will)
crude notch
Hasn't changed if you feel weaker it's because you're playing wrong, no offense.
jagged pier
^
burnt knot
Probably tho
jagged pier
it should feel stronger this season as dungoens are mostly melee
median tulip
Eh, the set bonus this season isn't as defensive as the season 1 version
crude notch
👀
jagged pier
the set bonus literally doesnt matter
yer we are weaker defensivly
but if it made that much of a difference u would still be running it
burnt knot
I mean I might feel this way cause out of 30+ above +16, 20 were ULD
crude notch
whatchu spamming uld for?
burnt knot
I thought uld tank trinket was top tier :d
jagged pier
except for chomps and the 1 golem uld is pretty chill tbh
burnt knot
In my head
crude notch
-_-
warm plinth
I used the uld trinket for a while on my paladin and I don't think it ever broke 1% of my damage
median tulip
The Chomps are fucking horrible
median tulip
Get hit by too many of them and it's 200k ticks
crude notch
So what about the cheat death trieket from the new megadungeon (:
cinder nova
When did you last update the pack
not a clue, I'll have to look.
Is there a way to preserve the custom settings I have for the text on SR? I like it, but it keeps resetting with every update.
Kinda a chore
median tulip
Those basilisks are a test for your DPS CC tho, IMO. Although ofc the DPS will blame the tank
jagged pier
i mean its alright but its a cheat death trinket
so the 99.9% of ppl that run it claiming its a must have
will never actually proc it
crude notch
God you've got to be the most easy to bait person in the world
jagged pier
i remeber ppl in SLs saying they need 1 of the 2 of them for s2's and u look at logs
and literally didnt proc it once
good use
crude notch
and i say that as someone who is quite easy to bait
strong forum
Is there a way to preserve the custom settings I have for the text on SR? I like...
Don't Update "Display & size" when you import
naive ravine
Hey, some time ago I heared Andy talking about a breakpoint for mastery (23-25%) on prot war, anybody know the exact details about that?
warm plinth
That is not a thing
We have never intentionally sought out mastery, and we have never had a mastery breakpoint.
crude notch
warm plinth
At least not in the last few expansions. I didn't play it before Legion
jagged pier
Hey, some time ago I heared Andy talking about a breakpoint for mastery (23-25%)...
@strong forum talk to your protege
warm plinth
3009 so big
crude notch
ye those to are gonna nut over it
warm plinth
I wonder how much damage the spells are gonna do 🤔
Though I suppose anything past the stats is just a perk lol
crude notch
i need a damn gear vendor on PTR for this stuff
:angy:
i want to see if you can reset the cheat death trinket
also want to see how tf this thing works
naive ravine
i doubt he actually said that
And can show the clip of him saying that u should have 23-25% mastery later, he even has his rings enchanted to mastery
crude notch
also want to find out what some of these "new" secondaries do
naive ravine
And can show the clip of him saying that u should have 23-25% mastery later, he ...
Maybe it was a joke and im to dumb to understand it, idk
crude notch
new megadungeon has a haste/crit shield pog for next season i guess, still probably crafting though ofc
jagged pier
Maybe it was a joke and im to dumb to understand it, idk
🤷 dont know where he got it from could be feel crafty more than anything. but mastery really isnt that good for use tbh so trying to get a certain % of it at cost of other things is just not worth it
strong forum
Hey, some time ago I heared Andy talking about a breakpoint for mastery (23-25%)...
Yes, I told him that because the effective gain at very low amounts of mastery is huge
If you have less than 1k mastery, the return gain of getting to 1-1.5k mastery is huge
The less you have of a stat the better it becomes to increase
Going from 15->20% mastery is a 33% increase in crit block chance, which is massive for exceedingly little investment
jagged pier
33% chance to still not crit block
strong forum
Yeah but what would you rather have
crude notch
Nome, would you do hardcore classic?
strong forum
15% critblock and like 1.5% more crit chance
Or 20% critblock and a few% more AP
strong forum
No I only did hc on d4 for easy name on statue
pallid quiver
I'd rather have literally 0 mastery because it's a funnier talking point.
strong forum
Well sure that's valid
naive ravine
I thougt about the mastery thing to and the only other thing i could find was that mastery is double dipping on the talents that give us % main stat for armor
strong forum
No
pallid quiver
unfortunately, rng in the past has at the very least given me a piece of equipment with at least every stat represented, even if sometimes it's been mad stacked
strong forum
That's not based on AP
Mastery grants AP, not strength
There's no double dipping, it's just very efficient
The less you have of something the more it's worth to increase it
Same goes for vers
If you have 0 vers, getting just a bit of it is a larger gain than getting more of another stat
Even offensively
strong forum
Yeah it's hard to have less
It's part of the reason why I'm keeping frostfire belt, mastery
naive ravine
So ap is not strength, but does ap still increase armor, or is armor only scaling with strength? @strong forum
strong forum
only armor and strength
AP is pure offensive with no interaction with anything else
naive ravine
Perfect ty for explaining, didnt know the diffrence betwern strength and ap
strong forum
AP is the offensive part of strength
basically
strength grants AP, which then determines the numbers on your buttons
but str also grants armor because of vanguard and talents
thats also the reason why battleshout increases AP instead of strength
cuz if it granted 5% strength, it would basically be a defensive buff ontop
median tulip
AP increases the absorb Ignore Pain grants
naive ravine
If you have less than 1k mastery, the return gain of getting to 1-1.5k mastery i...
And is there like a specific number for vers too? Or is there anyway I can find out?
strong forum
for that its just sim
naive ravine
k ty
uneven mason
cuz if it granted 5% strength, it would basically be a defensive buff ontop
And you know hunters rogues feral monks and dh are still a thing
cinder nova
Not focusing on zug zug is why the sayains were able to run roughshod over everyone.
strong forum
well they dont get anything special from mainstat besides AP
ionic roost
(they could easily merge Bshout and arcane intellect to be 5% mainstay) I'm assuming his argument
Is str vs agi
strong forum
ye i kinda meant to imply agi/str
uneven mason
But at least you try
shy canopy
any good general talents for m+? tryna push my first +20 key as a tank
crude notch
pins gotcha covered
shy canopy
sweet, thanks!
nocturne granite
Is that really so, that I should focus on haste/crit build instead of haste/vers? 😢
nocturne granite
dont have to if you dont want to
I just was always focused on haste/vers build and my third preffered stat was crit. But now i see crit on second place in pinned messages
crude notch
i even changed my bear to crit/haste. dodgegodx
nocturne granite
Due to low scaling for amount of vers, crit will be more efficient... and finally, i should not keep all 3 sets with different gear for all 3 specs: hast/vers (prot); haste/crit (arms); haste/mast (fury)
nocturne granite
i even changed my bear to crit/haste. dodgegodx
bear? ^^
nocturne granite
almost every tank prefs crit rn
lol, what a news
crude notch
vers scaling is garbage and crit provides big defensive value for everyone while also providing great offensive value
Like I have 35% dodge on my bear rn
crude notch
what about them?
nocturne granite
what about them?
That i should build with focus on that caps
strong forum
its not "build 40% crit, build 30% haste, buiild 10% mastery and build 20% vers"
thats not what it says
it says 40% of your total stat budget should be allocated to crit
not -> get to 40% crit
4888 crit is not 40%, thats not even 30%
2444 vers is like 12% vers in total stats
nocturne granite
Lol, thank you for clearing my eyes. seems not woke up yet
icy atlas
Can you still get KSH after 10.1.5 drops?
icy atlas
Okay cool I'll shoot for 3k then
Never thought I'd be tanking 20s but you guys have been hella helpful ❤️
strong forum
tropic gorge
Gm tank pals
Turns out I don't need to worry about using a vers flask. My guild is lacking in dps to push bosses, not a tank issue
regal nymph
Tanks do damage too
sick sentinel
mostly what im wroking on this week is gold races
crude notch
No dps thievery
sick sentinel
fucking sanguine
waxen frigate
Not on my watch they don't
Average guild officer
“Tanks should run tank trinkets and stack stamina”
daring marlin
Love the smell of plastic in the morning
undone verge
“Tanks should run tank trinkets and stack stamina”
Real
-trinket
Like I’m sorry ignore pain dropped when I got hit for 1.9 million by flaming slash
Unmitigated ofc
jolly crystal
You don't keep 2m of Ignore Pain stacked up at all times?
modern brook
4 mil needed
modern brook
Ignore the RL
crude notch
Probably the next nerf they do to the raid is Rashfreaky
undone verge
I also just don’t get why I’m accused of dying, like yeah I died 3 weeks ago on forgotten exp prog and a little when we were wiping at 50% on rashok prog but I died once in 27 pulls last week
hazy bronze
Just reply with damage taken from lava wave
Bonus points if that person is above you
hardy snow
I also just don’t get why I’m accused of dying, like yeah I died 3 weeks ago on ...
welcome to raid tanking 
modern brook
I also just don’t get why I’m accused of dying, like yeah I died 3 weeks ago on ...
It sounds like ur suffering from rrls
primal crypt
I mean, he IS the thunderlord
jagged gust
literally
modern brook
tlords can sugma
jagged gust
daaaaang
sick sentinel
i have to have all of the race achievements by end of expansion this is alot of fun
hazy bronze
Wheres forbidden reach?
waxen frigate
It’s forbidden to go there though
hazy bronze
I can't reach it
sick sentinel
i have to run under rot a bunch of times for plate legs 😦
oblique garnet
<@192743144276623360> I'm supposed to be using thunderlord right?
You can and i like it in keys but nome disagrees
But you gotta send it on cd all the time
sick sentinel
best dungeon drop legs for dungeons fo rme
oblique garnet
👋
oblique garnet
oblique garnet
Just a few
crude notch
I can't reach it
that's because you have to start the quest
can't just go all willy nilly to a place that's quite literally called FORBIDDEN
sick sentinel
Like I’m sorry ignore pain dropped when I got hit for 1.9 million by flaming sla...
Wait what do you even press for flaming slash as a prot warr? Does reflect work? Or do you save that for the group soak
primal crypt
just block it
oblique garnet
backpedal
primal crypt
turn and run
undone verge
Wait what do you even press for flaming slash as a prot warr? Does reflect work?...
Spell block the first combo cause it will still be up for the second combo, shield wall the third
primal crypt
oh
crude notch
reading be hard
primal crypt
raid
sick sentinel
yeah rashok sorry lol
crude notch
don't apologize to the peeps that can't read
sick sentinel
im progging it on my DK so im kind of spoiled where i got AMS for the group soak, VB or IBF or each combo
oblique garnet
mixed blazing slash and flaming
undone verge
The problem isn’t really flaming slash itself it’s being low for earthen crush, or being made low cause of earthen crush. If I’m full health with ignore pain running flaming slash will never kill me even without defensives
sick sentinel
IP is all dmg or just phys?
What i do for BDK is i make sure i got a big bloodshield up for earthen and then i deathstrike the flame slash if its first, not sure if that works for warr otherwise just maybe pool rage for another IP after your first one gets eaten?
undone verge
In terms of tank busters It’s basically effective health so 200k more health to live slash
Around 1 mil. It’s also nice last stand is up for 1 combo every phase so I try to have it up for the third one each time
sick sentinel
whos your co-tank?
undone verge
Bdk
undone verge
He wants to play a pally but they won’t let him
Strict no rerolling mid tier policy
29 deaths in 27 pulls and one of them was cause cotank was dead for the combo
waxen frigate
Strict no rerolling mid tier policy
undone verge
But then they want me to swap to vdh cause “there’s been an increase in tank deaths this tier” like ok
hazy bronze
mixed blazing slash and flaming
How dare you these aren't similar at all
sick sentinel
spell block first, in d stance then it looks like he went to battle stand and just hit shield block with IP up
their pally soloed the first set
just looking at random logs
undone verge
Yeah, I always swap dstance for the combos, but it’s spellblock for 1 and 2, then shield wall with last stand third if you’re playing correctly
sick sentinel
oh and he rallied there as well but probably was for the individual soaks etc
so this person didnt laststand or wall the earthen
sick sentinel
Strict no rerolling mid tier policy
this is so weird, like i get a healer wanting to swap to dps or an enhance shaman or your only mage wanting to swap off, but a tank swapping should be fine if they are similary geared and they arent a raid buff imo
sick sentinel
But then they want me to swap to vdh cause “there’s been an increase in tank dea...
isnt vdh giga squish lol
vocal nimbus
Yeah, I always swap dstance for the combos, but it’s spellblock for 1 and 2, the...
Not really
I alternate SW+dstance with SR+external+dstance
Pop LS whenever it is off cd
Gotta use the 4pc
sick sentinel
whats SR? spell reflect?
vocal nimbus
Yes
sick sentinel
vocal nimbus
It has a 20% magic damage reduction
undone verge
Popping last stand whenever it’s on cd has it up for the third combo
vocal nimbus
If i recall correctly it does not
undone verge
Link the logs
crystal mauve
I pop LS 10 sec before pulling
I don't think you should, you are loosing on CDR and SS damage by doing so
undone verge
Earnthen smash doesn’t do enough dmg to be justified, plus I run unnerving focus so it’s basically a dps button
vocal nimbus
Link the logs
Trying to but uni wifi doesnt allow me to open warcraftlogs
undone verge
What’s ur char name
vocal nimbus
Soulwalker sanguino
To get sw every second combo you have to play really well
As in, not waste rage and not miss ss procs
crystal mauve
Rashiok is just Spell block the first two combo and SW the 2nd, if you are full life you don't need anything else to survive. I use other tools to overlap for safety but I'm sure sure if it was necessay
lime urchin
whoa! a 100!
undone verge
I wish
I’ve had like 30 “100s” on this boss but they’re all wipes
Low %s too like 1%-9%
sick sentinel
:kekw
vocal nimbus
Rashiok is just Spell block the first two combo and SW the 2nd, if you are full ...
Only SR wont save you unless you are talking about heroic
crystal mauve
Only SR wont save you unless you are talking about heroic
I'm talking mythic, Spell block + SR first / Spell block + shout or DStance 2nd / SW + Spell reflect 3rd and you are fine
vocal nimbus
Sorry missread spell block for spell reflect
undone verge
This is actually a question I’ve had for a while but never asked it, would demo shout, and similarly fiery brand mitigate dmg like the dot of forgotten experiments? Or is it strictly dmg directly done by the boss
crystal mauve
As far as I know it does work on dots but Iet me see if I can confirm this with logs
jagged gust
Go run LFR real quick to confirm 🙂
crystal mauve
This is actually a question I’ve had for a while but never asked it, would demo ...
I needed to find a small segment without overlaping buff but I think I did -
Seems like it does indeed reduce bleed/dots damage as well
sick sentinel
NA token 300k
undone verge
I needed to find a small segment without overlaping buff but I think I did -
Nice, thanks
left basalt
Heroic Sark progression last night, I dps in raids but our BDK was out, sure how hard can this be...
AOTC 10 mins later
dense verge
The wee worms in URs 2nd boss their stacking bite debuff, would spell block stop that, been in 4 keys with pugs not doing mechanics and they are murdering me, wondering if any tips to deal with them
twin bramble
Looking for tips for pulling early VP. On pills 2 and 4, I struggle to have both, getting vortexes into group with solider and still be close enough to tempest to look at it.
Do you ask dps to pull through and out range them on 2? Or ask for kicks to bring them into range of tempest?
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> I'm supposed to be using thunderlord right?
only if you wanna go ultra turtle mode
its a dps loss to play until 7 targets
primal crypt
I like turtles
lime urchin
William spitting facts
hazy bronze
Batman is the most American hero
modern brook
waxen frigate
Batman is the most American hero
Batman is the most bat
sick sentinel
