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uneven mason
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The major issue in 8.0 wasn't IP on GCD, but our rage budget and SB uptime was absolute garbage so the skill floor was basically higher than most other tanks skill ceiling

waxen frigate
uneven mason
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Warriors doing 70% of a groups damage wasn't unusual in m+ in those days

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TC hit soooo hard and target caps weren't even a thing

daring marlin
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yeah idk IP was the biggest thing

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yeah sb uptime was shit especially since they did this

uneven mason
daring marlin
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vanguard, ip and BoM were the biggest QoL shit we got

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was gr8

lusty grotto
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dont forget the 1x DC

echo egret
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I was suggested today, that staying in defensive stance = more heals for the rest of the group

sick sentinel
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this sword looks amazing

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vocal verge
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If you b stance then you get more leech healing

lusty grotto
echo egret
lusty grotto
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i do

echo egret
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Where is it erroneous ?

lapis tapir
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so i cant seem to find tier or even items to catalyst, am i better off getting the tier or essence?

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lusty grotto
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group healing gets everybody

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including the tank

remote anchor
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tier is free to get

echo egret
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But 15% more damage on the tank might require more direct heals ? That could have been spent elsewhere ?

lusty grotto
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in what content?

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cause i dont really require healing

echo egret
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M+ content - Surely healers are not doing only group heals ?

sick sentinel
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do you think it is weird if you join a group and someone asks to make you leader cuz you have a higher IO

lusty grotto
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most damage is group dmg

lapis tapir
# remote anchor essence

thanks, maybe i just got to be patient, cant seem to get a helm or hands to drop to cata so, trinket in long run i guess

echo egret
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That's not true at all

lusty grotto
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ok then

echo egret
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Tankbusters, mob random targeting people...

lusty grotto
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what tank busters

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its fort week

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and its s2

daring marlin
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not many busters this season anyway

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trash has more than bosses lmao

lusty grotto
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theres only ONE tank buster thats nasty, and that's Uldaman's dragon

echo egret
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Blazing slash, Reverberating Slam

lusty grotto
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out of all 8 dungeons

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blazing slash is controllable

echo egret
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I'm not speaking of bosses or trash specifically

daring marlin
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nimchip spittin'

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I love that guy

lusty grotto
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but why would you sit on dstance for those, you know youre able to off-gcd dance

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citing specific examples discredits what you said about sitting on dstance

echo egret
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I am just trying to find a real counter to that argument

lusty grotto
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there is none

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have you played a healer?

echo egret
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Not recently no

daring marlin
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assuming proper SB uptime and cd management d stance shouldn't be necessary outside very specific packs

hallow phoenix
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legs the worst tier piece assuming equal ilvl yeah?

daring marlin
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yes

lusty grotto
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very situational is the word

hallow phoenix
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my vault is tier legs and a nice haste vers socketed belt. I have crafted legs and belt :(((( Third option is a crit=mastery cloak but its +6 ilvls so i guess im taking that

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or i socket something

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thinking about crafting a cloak tbh

warm plinth
echo egret
lusty grotto
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im just

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flabbergasted

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why are you accounting for 15% flat decrease

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do you know we have shield block?

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and theres like 5 different DR things

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demo, versa, parries, IP, so on

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wall doesnt even have to be mentioned

echo egret
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it's multiplicative ? 15% less damage is 15% less damage ?

lusty grotto
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yes

echo egret
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so back to my question

strong forum
lusty grotto
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multiplicative is not 15% + 20%

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its 15 x 20

warm plinth
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The ice chards on those packs is way worse than oceanic breath (which can be fully avoided anyway)

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shards*

strong forum
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thats halls of infusion

warm plinth
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Oh Uldaman

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I misread

echo egret
strong forum
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effectively yes

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whats the point of contention again

warm plinth
strong forum
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blazing slash?

echo egret
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back to my question : if healer needs to cast 1 heal in defensive stance, will it need 2 heals in battle stance ?

warm plinth
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tl;dr: someone said that not using defensive stance is taking healing that could be done on other people and redirecting it to the tank.

echo egret
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I just do not know myself

uneven mason
warm plinth
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It's 15% damage

strong forum
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rarely ever

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does a healer heal a tank more than 1 spell

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ESPECIALLY if that healer is paladin

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paladins never directly heal anyone more than once

echo egret
strong forum
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cuz you just get topped by 1 spell

uneven mason
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Because most smart healers will understand damage profiles and how tanks have a lot of recovery

strong forum
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like, the argument of "yeah but if i play more defensive my healer can play more offensively"

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doesnt apply to a good healer

uneven mason
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But yeah if it's a paladin they just complete healed your ass

echo egret
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in that case, it was more "more protectively of others"

strong forum
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rarely ever

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is the tank in trouble

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when the group is also in trouble

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exceedingly unlikely that its both at the same time

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its either group or tank

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cuz if the group gets fucked, the tank is taking dmg that you yourself can deal with

uneven mason
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If you're in a situation where the healer has to pump you, something else went wrong

strong forum
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if the tank is getting dicked, its not aoe dmg that is also dangerous to the group

wet atlas
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Is the class trinket any good for prot? I have crap trinkets as it is

strong forum
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and if its bosses like in uldaman, the healer heals the entire group, not everybody but tank

strong forum
uneven mason
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The uptime can be spotty, but it's pretty baller when it's up

wet atlas
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yea for raid though, i have bad luck getting trinkets

strong forum
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thats just a plain "sim it" angle

olive bay
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i win

toxic pewter
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?

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I would rather take the socket tbh

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my ocd cant use 444 forgestorm

wet atlas
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my 2 trinkets are a 398 drogbar rocks and 421 hunger of the pack. My vault is giving me the 444 class trinket

olive bay
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it'll be 447 in a week or two

toxic pewter
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ohh cuz u can upgrade it

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thats good point i take it back

olive bay
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yup

uneven mason
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On the 11th ya

toxic pewter
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grats then LOL

olive bay
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spent all week helping a buddy who just quit classic. He restarted on wednesday and he's 435 item level now

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I ran like 35 keys helping him

cyan sorrel
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Snagged a Dragul trink to go with my Beacon! Lmao

cobalt mason
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Hello guys 🙂 Wanted to know if, with all the reworks coming for different classes, you guys think Prot could use one

olive bay
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yeah give us lust

lusty grotto
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prot is fine

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rework isnt really needed, more utility sure

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but again i dont know how blizzard would incorporate it

uneven mason
toxic pewter
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honestly I dont even want lust

uneven mason
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We legit had functional and logical trees on launch

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Bring back skull banner

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Just saying

lusty grotto
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and reflective plating

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and... the dr-less stun for SC

uneven mason
lusty grotto
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fuck i forgot the name for

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yea

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warbringer!

strong forum
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prot doesnt need a rework at all, its just a little too easy and simple for my taste

toxic pewter
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Blizzard themselves know warrior needs like 1 more cool thing. They just cant seem to get it right, skull banner, the group shield wall, even the heroic leap grip. they have iterated on multiple abilities but removed each one..

strong forum
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but we're insanely well off

uneven mason
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"lol intervein is a ae stun without Dr"

cobalt mason
strong forum
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you also need to understand, guardian got its tree rework because its a fucking MESS

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same goes for palading rework

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it was ret that got its rework cuz the class was lacking

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holy getting a rework i dont rly get why

lusty grotto
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yeah pretty much all reworks have been because of dogshit trees

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mage, pally, druid

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if you thought WOW thats a terrible tree before, those are the classes that got it

uneven mason
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Guardian was a burning pile of dogshit on release, 10.0.5 made it better

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The class tree is still garbage for guardian but the 10.1.5 spec tree is pretty poggers

lusty grotto
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yeah holy is doing great atm

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i know damage is kind off

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before the rework, at least it was

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cause sotr aoe wasn't really doing as much

orchid mural
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Hey guys, i have 5.406 haste (34%) and with ITF, i have 48% haste. To much? Ilvll 444

shrewd grove
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No such thing

lusty grotto
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well discord took a shit

warm plinth
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You would want to start seeking other stats over haste once you reach 39-40% @orchid mural (from rating)

lusty grotto
uneven mason
warm plinth
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Hover over haste on your sheet, and look at the percentage listed at the bottom next to the rating number. That's what needs to be 39-40% before you stop seeking haste.

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(Make sure you're including the amount from the rune)

uneven mason
orchid mural
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ok, so with ITF, Rune, i have 5716 haste (33.26%)

lusty grotto
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read what ghash said again

strong forum
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7150 is when you stop getting more haste

daring marlin
sand kettle
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so we go all the way through the first DR? nice

daring marlin
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👀

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too bad t's all garbage

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lmao

strong forum
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10% DR is nothing

orchid mural
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7150 seems pretty unobtainable. i don't raid mythic, but only have 6 items left that are 441. given forgestorm and tier pc stats ... that seems unrealistic to get heh

lusty grotto
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right

strong forum
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yes

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so just dont worry about it

orchid mural
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mmhm k

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ty for responses guys, just wanted to check.

now for conversation lol, tanking 22 - 23 keys, y'all thinking to stack crit? i prefer to stack vers TBH - safety net.

strong forum
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what safety net

lusty grotto
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dont really need vers for that range

strong forum
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how much vers you got

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and how much do you think it helps

uncut thunder
orchid mural
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i'd do the ionizer

daring marlin
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I'd definitely go kagni's tbh

strong forum
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kagnis neck

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but i'd just craft neck

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for haste crit

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way better imo

orchid mural
strong forum
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yeah so

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barely more than 1 keylevel

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if you go 1 keylevel higher, all that dmg reduction is gone

uncut thunder
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Im currently doing 17s but my goal is 20s - I know Verse does help but it appears to be very unpopular

strong forum
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vers does not help as much as you think it does

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its not gonna make you survive shit you didnt survive before

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its not gonna protect you from mistakes

lusty grotto
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you certainly dont need to use vers for that range

uncut thunder
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OK that is very helpful

strong forum
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most of dmg intake, especially this season is physical and melee dmg

lusty grotto
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that is not even close to the range you will probably get decent use out of it

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if anything

uncut thunder
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Its popular in the 24+ it seems

strong forum
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popular doesnt always mean good or correct

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people are slowly catching on that vers isnt the end all be all stat

lusty grotto
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eating tide pods was popular

strong forum
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emphasis on slowly

uncut thunder
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Yeah top tier Propr Wars still seem to be stacking it per raider.io but again I do understand your point

sick sentinel
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i still have too much versa

uncut thunder
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But when you see poeple being sucessfull in the ranges you want to be, my mind tends to goes to emulate them

sick sentinel
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i got 3300 versa, i could shed like, 1200 if i want

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trade it in for crit or master

daring marlin
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Sense is doing 24s and 25s with 1600 vers

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he ain't going for that shit

orchid mural
strong forum
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yeah but

uncut thunder
strong forum
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if you could live the 112% without the vers before

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what exactly

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did vers do?

daring marlin
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for context, he's #3 with 1/4 of nextback's number of keys done

frozen rose
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so i have a 437 shield, 441 weapon. and can craft something (non embellsh). Shield the decision? crafted shield good?

orchid mural
# strong forum did vers do?

Saves me when my healer / group takes a shit. or when my old fingers forget things. + 24% dmg buff isn't to be ignored either?

uncut thunder
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Interesting for 5 targets the Ioinized Sims better then the tailsman but that is inverted on single target

strong forum
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a single boss, where you are in the same danger that your group is

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a single pull

orchid mural
strong forum
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half hp

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ok

daring marlin
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shouldn't be a problem

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especially with spellblock buff

strong forum
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thats nowhere near dangerous tho?

daring marlin
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you can spellblock one entire phase

orchid mural
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it is when your healer is struggling 😦

sick sentinel
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im making a serious consideration to spend spark on necklace normal for crit haste

strong forum
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your healer is healing your entire group

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not just you

lusty grotto
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why arent you running spell block for that breath?

strong forum
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or everyone but you

lusty grotto
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you only listed IP

daring marlin
sick sentinel
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i dunno if that logic is wrong, dont do raids so,

daring marlin
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I lost kagni's multiple times and said fuck it and made the neck

strong forum
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eating 500k or eating 550k

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makes no real difference

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when youre getting healed for 1mil the next global

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especially when you lose alot of dmg output

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and losing alot of parry to get there

orchid mural
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hmm

strong forum
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its not just "yeah i gain 24% dmg and 12% reduction from vers"

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you lose other stats

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and crit is worth alot more dmg than vers is

daring marlin
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oh sick, the immortal cheevo is the infinite dragon tint of the campaign armor

strong forum
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largest dmg intake in m+ is melee/physical, which is parryable

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having 30% parry is equal to 50% dmg reduction in large pulls

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GL trying to get that with vers

sick sentinel
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that, or legs

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i can make haste versa legs since same logic

sand kettle
strong forum
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nop

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removing 50 melee from 150 attacks

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lets you end up at 100 attacks

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and going from 100 to 150, is a 50% increase in dmg intake

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effective DR gain is 50%

orchid mural
uncut thunder
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Nom - in the case where teh vers item SIMS more then the Haste/Crit item in 5+ packs, what is your advise there?

strong forum
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id like to see taht sim

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where vers sims more than crit lol

uncut thunder
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But it appears that RB did diff gem selection whioch is likly throwing it off

strong forum
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thats within margin of error

uncut thunder
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again this is 1 v 5 target compare

strong forum
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this is a less than 0.1% difference

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within margin of error

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wait

uncut thunder
strong forum
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youre simming the wrong sockets

uncut thunder
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mine shows that

lusty grotto
sick sentinel
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i need to remember under rot better

strong forum
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click the top result

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youre ismming crit + vers gems

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and not crit + haste gems

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but then simming haste+crit gems

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wait youre simming all gems

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wtf are your stats

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dont sim all gems imo

uncut thunder
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YEah just letting RB pick the best but maybe thats not the proper approach

strong forum
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just sim haste/crit

sick sentinel
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sim what you have or expect to have

patent osprey
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Sim haste verse 🙂

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And the. Socket it

uncut thunder
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See there is a verse lover that I was talking about

lusty grotto
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you mean plka?

sick sentinel
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how about, feed the bot, 5100 haste (the first gate for losing 10%) and then run 3 variations of it, 5400 crit or mastery, or versa

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and then we see which is the best

lusty grotto
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plka is generally doing keys youre not even close to getting to Fedaaykin

uncut thunder
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Yeah but im kidding around

lusty grotto
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or me for that matter

patent osprey
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U should never die to melee physical as prot war. Its true crit may provide u less damage taken overall but u only care about the damage that will kill you. But that is just how we feel at highest key levels

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But crit will also give u more dam. Just cares about the content ur doing. If more verse saves me at all from a 1 shot its worth. Crit wont ever really save u from a 1 shot. BUT in a world where it parried a bite in uldaman maybe @_@ but you never build for what ifs only consistency

strong forum
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in large pulls, say the pull in uldaman where you pull 3 crocs + 12 other mobs

sick sentinel
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do you guys know anything about a reverse under rot strategy?

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i never heard of it till know apparently somone made a UR run, you pull it backwards

strong forum
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any dmg you remove from taking there via parry, additionally gives you more EHP to live said bleed

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same goes for the dragon pulls in hoi

patent osprey
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I do like 15 + mob pulls in ulda but i get owned by the stupid stone shard. No melees. Typicaly if ur tanking crocs instead of kiting ur prob dead anyways XD

strong forum
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yeah you dont get killed by a melee alone, but they contribute the majority of dmg intake in that pull

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even if you block it

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24 uldaman first pull from sense

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24 uldaman first pull from muyako

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undone verge
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chomp is scary on fort weeks

strong forum
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so are the melees

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even in those scariest of pulls

sand kettle
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freehold melees have been hurting me i'll admit

strong forum
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melee dmg, just because we have block, is still the majority of dmg intake which is the leading cause why a bleed ticking for 60k is even lethal

lusty grotto
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kinda not worth doing

thin phoenix
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Anyone been able to confirm that cross realm mythic works now?

strong forum
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should

lusty grotto
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maybe this week if you wanna skip the last 3 idk

patent osprey
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Melee damage is all expected and always consistent. The magic or bleed is always the reactive healing where u will die. In my experience its always better to play for the unexpected. But weve had this conversation before haha

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Can play either

strong forum
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yeah

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absolutely can

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its not make or break as demonstrate by everyone in the game

orchid mural
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❤️ thanks guys for talking it out - does seem to be subjective opinion - i can see both sides

strong forum
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the biggest TLDR is

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the impact is too small unless you can get literal fucktons of it

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be it crit or vers

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or mastery

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what matters infinitely more is correct play and group coordination

orchid mural
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yeah. but my old ass dad tanking with blue-collar sausage fingers like the "cushion" vers gives me lol - or maybe the illusion of it

again, appreciate the insights

strong forum
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if it makes you more confident

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itll be way more useful in the long run

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than whatever is optimal

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placebo is a powerful drug

sick sentinel
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there, i gave my self - 630 versa + 630 crit

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its a start

toxic pewter
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is there ever a world where mastery can actually be our best defensive stat

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I always like mastery

strong forum
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neltharus

toxic pewter
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basically anytime we using spell block a lot

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now that we can block some spells

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?

strong forum
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in neltharus and freehold mastery gains insane amounts of traction

toxic pewter
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interesting

sick sentinel
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i wonder how come FH it gets a huge value

toxic pewter
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like how much less damage does mastery give in the end is that attack power it gives just really bad or what

strong forum
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getting a critblock on the blazing slashes in neltharus is huge value

lusty grotto
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crit block

sick sentinel
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my guess is cuz a million malee guys in fh

lusty grotto
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lots of phys yogi

strong forum
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that being said

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im not sure how it fares against crit in freehold

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cuz neltharus is a gigantic meme of a dungeon

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except for 2 pulls with the blazing cunts

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and getting critblock on those slashes is huge

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cuz its 100% DR

sick sentinel
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the only way you deplete FH is if people don't have their monitors turned on

strong forum
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high tyrannical

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FH caps out at 26 tyrannical

daring marlin
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yogi did you turn your monitor off in the fh you bricked bro?

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are you telling on yourself bro????

toxic pewter
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those sharks the dude throws these days actually hurt really bad if you get surprised by one.. feel like they hurt even more than they did in bfa lmao

strong forum
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magic dmg

toxic pewter
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oh shit?

strong forum
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and theyre supposed to be baited away

toxic pewter
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didnt realize that even

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yah getting hit is def not planned

strong forum
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sharkboss is easier than in BFA

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cuz we have 100% block uptime now

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unlike in bfa

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so we can always tank the sharkspin

sick sentinel
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i forgot to clear the trash the rat trappers moves up and down the hill

toxic pewter
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ya true

sick sentinel
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got pulled with the boss,

warm plinth
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from pistol shot

sick sentinel
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wasn't even the only time our group got a set of adds on that fight

strong forum
sick sentinel
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did it again similiar level and we just killed them

strong forum
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hence why that dungeon caps out at 26

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you need all the stars to perfectly align and TR levels of gear to survive that boss on 27 maybe

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on 26 its doable, but 27? i dont think its possible

warm plinth
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Just change it to phys damage, then ez 27

sick sentinel
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paladin got knocked out, horsed back in with friends, we killed that boss

hallow phoenix
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anyone use phial of corrupting rage on, say, a tyrannical week?

daring marlin
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I gotta get back into doing cardio--got tv shows I need to watch!

toxic pewter
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Wat u mean

hallow phoenix
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he watches TV while running

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via treadmill

toxic pewter
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I see

daring marlin
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Tusks gets it

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Black Mirror time wicked

strong forum
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wait but you cant see anything in a black mirror

hazy bronze
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Turn off your monitor

hallow phoenix
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🤯

daring marlin
digital dove
strong forum
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unluck

digital dove
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going from 150->100 is a 33% decrease, going from 100->150 is a 50% increase, you can't just frame the former as the later to make the number look more favourable

strong forum
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okay then going from 95 to 98% DR is not a ~50% DR increase either but 3?

digital dove
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thats not the same thing at all

strong forum
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why not

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genuinely asking

digital dove
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but going from 0-33% is just 33% less dmg taken

toxic pewter
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Yeah but notice the word effective

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Effective dr is 50%

digital dove
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its not

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there is no increasing returns ur just running the nunbers backwards

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if you have a salary of $150 and cut it by 33%, then give you a raise by 50%

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you have not gained money

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you are back at $150

strong forum
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then i phrased it poorly

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anyway

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its 3am

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way past bedtime

pallid quiver
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3am being way past bedtime feels whack

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But enjoy bed

digital dove
proud tide
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bro why so many groups hate on the prot warriors

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pugging is so dumb

toxic pewter
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Community perception and also there are a lot of just really bad prot warriors out there too

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I’m talking awful level

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Moreso than any other tank

dusky canopy
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They lack basic intelligence and critical thinking

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blindly follow what website says

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witch is popularity based

proud tide
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im just tryin branch into 20s man

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every dungeon done on 19 timed

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441

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no love out there

dusky canopy
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yeah unfortunately you're in the hard stuck spot

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everyone wants people who already do 20s

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best bet is to do some of your own keys

proud tide
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yeah thats what im thinkin now

dusky canopy
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its a PITA but you got it

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a night or two and youll have a few 20s under your belt

proud tide
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thanks for the advice

dusky canopy
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then you should get some invites

proud tide
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❤️

dusky canopy
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were unpopular right now so regardless people will be picky inviting you

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its the same for most of us

proud tide
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I dont get it though because a prot warrior is good if you can play it

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like, surviving for me really isnt an issue and I out dps or barely trail behind the dps players

dusky canopy
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absolutely its the websites that give "tier lists"

warm plinth
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Meta is stronk in the community and we're not even the 2nd "best" tank right now

proud tide
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yeah i saw that on icy veins

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were like 2nd from the lowest

#

so dumb

dusky canopy
#

that is not capability based

#

thats why its stupid as hell

#

all it tells you is what class/spec is being played the most

#

nothing else

#

🙂

proud tide
#

I still needa replace my annulet tho lmfao, i havent been able to get a single ring drop in the last 2 weeks

dusky canopy
#

its good until 441 ring anyway so youre chillin

proud tide
#

yeah

dusky canopy
#

just be sure to get some rings before 10.1.5 if you can help it

proud tide
#

its my only non 441 piece

dusky canopy
#

im in that boat with diurna's

proud tide
#

i just cant get one to drop for the life of me

dusky canopy
#

i dont have a second ring yet

#

xD

#

passed multiple in vault too for sockets

#

RIP

proud tide
#

finally got a 441 forgestorm to drop for me last night

dusky canopy
#

pogweapon

#

sic

proud tide
#

thanks for the advice though, just gonna try to push my key to 20s now

dusky canopy
#

goodluck!

proud tide
#

thanks ❤️

gloomy hazel
#

What's the best raid build that optimizes DPS instead of tankiness?

dusky canopy
#

the one in the pins

#

if you want some weirdo parse padding builds

#

look at top 5 for each fight

#

on WCL of course

gloomy hazel
#

I'm just helping a friend's guild that is still on normal but I'm 442 ilevel so I don't need tankiness right now

warm plinth
#

We don't have tanky builds and non-tanky builds. The build is the build.

gloomy hazel
#

and their dps isn't great

#

Ah, okay

dusky canopy
#

I have 7/9 99s with the build in the pins

#

youll be good

warm plinth
#

Not even 100s

dusky canopy
#

im not good enough

#

xD

warm plinth
#

We don't listen to 99 parsing scrubs smh

dusky canopy
#

big tru

#

ill take what i can get pugging xD

#

is R.io shitting the bed right now?

#

nothing is loading properly weird..

limpid pawn
#

the socket item, it says you can add one to the neck but the neck gets 3 sockets from the other items right

#

like the JC thing

#

can you add another socket to a neck that has 3 sockets?

orchid mural
#

no

uneven mason
sick sentinel
dusky canopy
sick sentinel
#

would need to wait 15 minutes to 2 hours for score to update

uneven mason
crude notch
#

If you don't have 4p right now that means you haven't gotten 2k io or aotc so you don't deserve 4p don't at me

proper roost
#

toxic

dull zodiac
#

wait what is this

#

and why do i only see it today for the first time

urban portal
#

its not a bad tank dps trinket

dull zodiac
#

right

#

its either that or legs from 441 to 444

#

should i sim it

#

for tank

urban portal
#

well 447 can go 447 soon

dull zodiac
#

i have beacon, dargrul etc

urban portal
#

since its a damage trinket i would just sim

dull zodiac
#

fair enough

#

just a ST sim i suppose?

urban portal
#

yeah

#

all the trinkets are st

crude notch
#

You're st

dull zodiac
#

well

#

quite suprised to see its one of the most used trinkets on subc

#

for me atleast

#

it sims horrendous

#

;p

#

-2000 dps

crude notch
#

What trinkets do you have currently

dull zodiac
#

beacon dargrul

crude notch
#

Oh

dull zodiac
#

sims highest

crude notch
#

What a shock

dull zodiac
#

;P

crude notch
#

Woe is me, I have the two best simming trinkets

dull zodiac
#

?

crude notch
#

?

dull zodiac
#

i was just asking about this trinket, ran a sim, where is the woe

warm plinth
#

yeh beacon and dargrul are about as good as it gets for damage

dull zodiac
#

ah sweet little ilvl upgrade on the tier legs it is then

proud tide
#

@dusky canopy finally got a 20 timed okayge

proper roost
warm plinth
#

big pog

dull zodiac
#

do we get asmuch survivability out of crit as vers

#

or is crit equal to vers on stat prio sheets becasue of more dmg from crit

#

im just debating a haste vers neck vs crit haste, crit haste one sims alot better, but does that come at cost of survivability?

#

im an idiot, missed the part where it actually explains exactly this on wowhead

proper roost
#

crit's better against autos

crude notch
proud tide
#

❤️

crude notch
proud tide
#

im rockin 35% crit xan

dull zodiac
#

honestly idk

#

legs r 444 , but soon 447 upgradeable

#

after next patch

#

the ring is just hc nelth ring

#

i got shitty rings with lots of mastery rn from fury only

#

at the same time this prot ring wont do anything for my fury spec, but the gain of the legs is kinda tiny

#

441 to 444 rn

#

on them

crude notch
#

I'm here to tell you that upgrading those pants to 447 won't make up the remaining DPS difference

proper roost
#

🤔

dull zodiac
#

theres just the fury tihngie

#

ill have to decide which spec is more important to me keks

#

ok call me an absolute ape for this but i dont understand this

#

when i just sim the legs on their own

#

its always 200 ish dps gain, whenver i sim multiple vault items

#

its way less

#

😕

crude notch
#

Look at the number

warm plinth
#

Link the sim?

crude notch
#

It's your current gear sim that's changing

#

Not the pants

sick sentinel
#

macro

#

macros

proud tide
#

35% crit, 34% haste, 16% mastery, 9% versatility, should i try to convert some crit to more vers and haste?

dull zodiac
warm plinth
#

YOu can do whatever your heart desire L1ve

crude notch
proud tide
#

tbh I was just looking at top prot warriors on raider io and saw their running with like 19-22% haste and more vers

#

so I was wondering if I messed somethin up

proud tide
crude notch
proud tide
#

alright cool, thanks for the reassurance

warm plinth
crude notch
#

Imagine that.

warm plinth
#

That can happen when the difference is very small because there's variance in sims

dull zodiac
#

whys it changing tho i havent swapped out any piece of gear , wearing the same in both

#

alright variance

#

ok

warm plinth
#

Yeah the sim does like 10,000 iterations

#

Or well, it did about 4100 for these

#

But yeah

dull zodiac
#

yea its just that everytime i just sim the pants its around exactly the same and whenever i sim 2 gv items the current gear is like 200 dps lower

#

with the same stuff equipped

#

but ye whatever im not gonna overthink it

crude notch
#

Stop looking at the + and look at the total sim

dull zodiac
#

i am ,i get it

#

ill take the ring

#

or craft a 447 ring with those stats and take the legs BIGBRAIN time

#

by far my highest crafting prio

#

anyways im out, ive spammed enough for a week in this discord

#

thanks for the help

split remnant
#

Is Ominous Chromatic Essence atleast somewhat good for prot warrior?

#

Doesnt seem like it right?

jagged pier
#

its alright

split remnant
#

What are our preffered trinkets anyway? ALl from raid, from last boss and anvil or what?

jagged pier
split remnant
#

Oh boy if I knew how

warm plinth
#

On mobile you swipe left and the pin icon is there

jagged gust
cinder nova
#

I have a native 441 anvil and I'm having to do essence duty QQ

#

At least they let me take bronze

#

51.44% haste isn't bad

iron ravine
#

hey guys, quick question regarding prot warr in m+. is there a reason why the talent Punish is so popular for (mostly) aoe? does it have any interaction with the 4set or is it just standalone that good?

jagged pier
#

both

#

is the short answer

cinder nova
#

Also because Jugg is just worse ST

iron ravine
#

yea i dont like jugg either, whats the interaction between shieldslam and 4 set?

cinder nova
#

Massacre is needed and unless you're rolling full stacks and chainpulling, it's basically worse

#

Exactly what the tier says

#

I'm not sure what more there is to say.

iron ravine
#

sorry, i ment punish* and 4 set

#

typo

cinder nova
#

There is none.

#

Punish and the tier DR stack

#

But it's got diminishing returns

iron ravine
#

alright, got it. thanks for your time guys =]

torn gust
#

is the silent star cloak worth taking in raids?

jagged pier
#

on most bosses yes

torn gust
#

hmm gotcha

tardy sequoia
#

cloaks can't be turned into the corresponding tier set with catalyst right?

jagged pier
#

well its not a tier slot so no

#

but it will change the stats to something

tardy sequoia
#

so assuming everything is an upgrade besides the chestplate, what's the better deal here? the trinket?

jagged pier
#

the wep

cinder nova
#

Yeah weapon

#

even at 434 unless you got a better forgetstorm it's pretty nice

jagged pier
#

he can upgrade it

tardy sequoia
#

no i've got a 421 proctor proctor tactical cleaver

hardy snow
median tulip
#

Vers/Mastery lul

strong forum
#

thats painful

#

worst imaginable stat spread

lime urchin
#

You gotta stack that vers man

#

Otherwise you deplete your +17 underrot

hardy snow
#

the only good thing about this back is that its HC tmog suits well one red version of human heritage armor okayge

crude notch
#

@warm plinth 24 in the books.

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green bronze
#

can i somehow sim shadowflame patch? my sim shows that unstable frostfire belt if 2k dps increase

jagged pier
#

gearcompare

green bronze
#

but i only have 1 shadowflame patch item, how do i sim for 2?

jagged pier
#

u add the item with a shadowflame patch

#

or if u have another belt equip that and do the same on any other piece u want to craft

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green bronze
#

tried by adding additional gearsets with those items, looks like shadowflame is a bigger dps increase, ty @jagged pier

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daring marlin
crude notch
daring marlin
#

yes

near steppe
#

Hello guys, could u give me tips on how not be melted down by mythic experiments dot?

hardy snow
jagged pier
#

use AA slows

kind urchin
#

Curse of weakness

olive bay
#

I got kicked out of the WF group last night because the monk couldn't hold aggro from me 😦

jagged pier
#

imagine having a WF group

olive bay
#

The DPS actually pushed for it

lime urchin
#

What’s a WF?

olive bay
#

We brought had 3 ret pally's last night so they wanted to kick a pally from the group and get me in

lime urchin
#

Oh windfury nvm

sick sentinel
#

alot of bad cloaks in wow, i mean, im not really complaining, seen way worse cloaks in games, just complaining about transmog

uneven mason
olive bay
#

Yeah, it was fun - I'm just the back up now (and probably will only be the backup because I'm usually top 3 in damage), but it was a lot of fun

#

It's super weird to use CDs while not tanking, though

tropic gorge
#

Ran 18bh last night and failed the timer by a couple minutes. A dh dps was doing a jihad run and died like 8 times.
The group told me "do bigger pulls".
Sigh

#

Yes. Do bigger pulls when dps dies constantly is gonna help!

spare mantle
tropic gorge
#

I prefer to do more normal sized pulls and set a good pace. Instead of pull half the dungeon and hope for the best

#

I've had better results doing chain pulling

spare mantle
#

Thats fine, it just sounds like u were pulling 3 mobs at a time if people were complaining in a 18

jagged gust
#

Hahaha I had the same last night. Pally says "Pull more" I go on to type "I usually don't trust pugs with pulling these next 3 groups together, no one ever focuses the adds"

tropic gorge
#

Bh is big pulls anyway lol

jagged gust
#

He pulls the same 2 packs I was talking about as I'm holding the first, I yank aggro, adds spawn, no one focuses, 4 more deaths to the list

tropic gorge
#

The upside is the suicidal dh wasn't a cock. He seemed nice enough

crude notch
#

Oh god fish is in here

daring marlin
#

you just realized?

jagged gust
#

I was wondering what that smell was

daring marlin
opaque oriole
#

So am I right in this

#

Here FbV can potentially heal me for 2531*1.1 HPS but

#

BrV can potentially shield me for 4574 HPS

#

This as if I’m never overcapped or at full health

#

I suppose the more damage comes from trinkets, annulet, phial, shock potion, enchants, the more reason to chose BrV

toxic pewter
#

i actually /roll 2 every time i start any content and if its 1 i choose fbv and if its 2 i choose brv

opaque oriole
#

😂

toxic pewter
#

i have a macro for it and everything

#

i set the macro to one of my main keybinds as well

#

sometimes I sit in valdrakken and do it also

#

then I make an announcement to all those around informing them of the results of the roll and subsequent changing or non-changing of said talent

modern brook
#

Run which ever makes you happier

daring marlin
#

basedfango

hazy bronze
crystal mauve
toxic pewter
# hazy bronze 0 shock

sometimes people are shocked- often its a '1' then sometimes (almost equally the case?) its a '2'

jagged gust
#

Don't be silly, 2 isn't real

kind urchin
#

I've mostly been running FbV lately.

toxic pewter
#

brual vitality is better

modern gazelle
#

TFW you go to Greece for 2 weeks but get sick and just wish you were home so you could grind some WoW

toxic pewter
#

can u go home

modern gazelle
#

Nah lol not till July 6

#

Been stuck in bed sick since Sunday

#

Feeling slightly better but I’m bored out of my mind now. I’ve watched so many shows and movies the last few days

jagged gust
#

What's the weather like down there? It's been oppressively hot for a country that doesn't believe in AC for the past few weeks in the UK

modern brook
modern gazelle
#

It’s like 80-90F during the day. The sun is overbearing here though. Can’t stay in it too long. It stays bright till like 9PM

#

Doesn’t feel much different than California where I’m from weather wise besides the sun being much more intense and it staying light out way longer

unkempt bronze
#

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I couldn't find it. What should we drop for getting Shattering Throw this week?

jagged gust
#

depends, if you run pain and gain that's an easy trade

#

Personally I say fuck shattering throw, I already have too many hotkeys as it is

#

But you shouldn't be running png in the first place, cuz bounding stride is mvp

modern brook
jagged gust
#

I mean if dude wants to take it, then go right ahead

modern brook
#

3min cd is barely worth it in the first place, double downed by you have to stop tanking to do it

unkempt bronze
#

I'm happy not taking it 😂

modern brook
#

yeah your solution is pavlovian reinforcement tbh

#

Menace / bolt/ kick otherwise to buy time

uneven mason
#

Like, when literally every other class has been given a better tool for it... shattering as our stop is fucking insulting

modern brook
#

menace is our stop :/

#

im going to get so tired of this

jagged gust
#

So you're saying I should be ringing a bell in voice chat everytime my dps lands an interrupt?

modern brook
#

thats how we handle afflicted 🤷

jagged gust
#

This is the kind of wisdom I come here for

modern brook
#

jokes aside:

#

Meance fear is 15s

#

incorp cast is 5s, they last for 20

uneven mason
#

Can't wait to see the solution for that one "we've made it so when battle scarred veteran procs it cures an afflicted"

modern brook
#

you just menace at literally any point within the range of: "human reaction time" and "literally 4.99s"

#

and they do not have time to finish casting

jagged gust
crude notch
#

So hardcore, yay or nay?

modern brook
#

its scuffed cause ppl will get scared when it starts recasting

#

but maybe they shoulda fucking incapped it then 😠

sick sentinel
#

this game was alot of fun, 9/10 game

untold tinsel
#

i have a question about prots

#

so i have followed this guide, and it says to spec into the ability "rend", but it never says to use it under rotations

#

Should i just remove it from my hotbar?

jagged gust
#

yup

#

TC triggers rend

#

as long as you specced into it, which you should

untold tinsel
#

ah okay thanks!

#

also just to be sure, i should also remove slam and whirlwind?

jagged gust
#

yup, they dont ever get used

modern brook
#

Yes

sick sentinel
#

also whirlwind

#

also regular slam

#

NEVER EVER cast them

#

not even because you are curious

untold tinsel
#

alright, thanks:)

jagged gust
#

now go slay queen

crude notch
#

lmao

#

someone read tofu's bio

untold tinsel
#

xD

uneven mason
#

If we catch you using ww @dusky canopy will hunt you down

sick sentinel
#

i cant wait for a over 9 million slutmogs involving the new blood drinker from traders

#

for like the next few months

crude notch
#

i'm so hyped for that blood troll set

#

is it gonna be leather or cloth i wonder.

uneven mason
#

Finally a set that will display all of my dwarfish Glory

sick sentinel
#

i think its just a universal set collectable by all classes and armor types

uneven mason
#

Better be all

sick sentinel
#

so like the clown one they did recently

crude notch
#

it'd be the first trading post one that wasn't armor type specific

sick sentinel
#

we already did the plate set, and so this is the leather one now, i don't know if they did an all mail transmog set

uneven mason
#

With the amount of skin it reveals, it must be plate, if you follow anime rules

dusky canopy
#

What in the whirlwind is going on in here!?

sick sentinel
#

always has been plate bikinis

jagged gust
dusky canopy
#

I would use :booba:

#

But you know

#

We’re in chains here

#

SMH

sick sentinel
#

booba leads to coomers

#

then degeneracy

#

so, i get it

jagged gust
dusky canopy
sick sentinel
#

degenaracy leads to ruins and chaos

crude notch
dusky canopy
#

Pants unfortunately

sick sentinel
#

a bat man and robin hooded shirt

median tulip
#

Ooof. The Chomp from the Basilisks in Ulda hurts this week

crude notch
#

hits for the same as any other fortified week

daring marlin
#

mmm yes indeed

#

jordan do I make ret 2h or holy 1h

crude notch
#

holy 1h

twin bramble
#

How do you skip this in pug? Just walking back down the stairs?

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sick sentinel
#

i can't see my self progessing IO alot this week

#

maybe freeholds, but man sanguine

crude notch
#

Yogi

#

you're a lore guy

#

can you explain why we fought Illidan in BC?

nocturne spindle
#

he was stealing a bunch of souls from everyone right?

dusky canopy
#

He thought we were the bad guys

#

He’s blindfolded

wheat glacier
chrome falcon
#

rank 4 magmorax mythic

#

with m+ build

#

and forgetting to execute because i was busy raidleading

daring marlin
#

weird, that wasn't yogi responding

crude notch
#

yeah no offense gang, i'm not satisfied until yogi responds

#

because every response I've gotten so far... is crap.

crude notch
#

gottem

chrome falcon
#

pretty close tbh

#

it's only a purple keks

crude notch
#

i'm still proud of you matt

daring marlin
#

matt push buttons gud

uneven mason
# crude notch can you explain why we fought Illidan in BC?

Because we saw a very powerful demon guy who had flipped sides more than once amassing a huge army of demons and chaos orcs right after the dark portal opened. Tyranda and Malfurion were convinced he had gone mad as he had tried to shatter northhrend

sick sentinel
daring marlin
#

YES

sick sentinel
#

illidan is a fuckin dickhead, or he acted like one

#

the dungeon one with the queen fight, that was one time he was a dickhead

daring marlin
#

ohhhhhh snap he bringing up well of eternity

sick sentinel
#

and then when he took simping to stalking and spent 10k years in prison for it for ne chick

crude notch
#

see this the response i wanted

sick sentinel
#

so, hes a dickhead and then he did the skull of guldan thing and malfurion kicked him out like bitch he is, and malfurion was correct

#

the skull of guldan was no return point

modern brook
#

my last SO did the skull of guldan thing, and our relationship couldnt survive that either 😦

daring marlin
#

yogi is a based real american patriot

#

...from canada

sick sentinel
#

canada stopped burning near me

daring marlin
#

good

#

I thought you fuckers were ruining my air quality but turns out there's a wildfire going on in my state right now.

sick sentinel
#

is a good reason fire is so scary

#

glad we got rain finally

jagged gust
cinder nova
#

calm down stormrage

#

God damn holy fuck

#

Anvil cranks in M+

#

210K proc wtf wicked

daring marlin
#

good thing shitters doing tank dam keep winning it

cinder nova
#

And keeping stacks up in a key gives you that old hit of black betty banner high

#

Gotta keep pulling...

#

Need that buff...

cinder wolf
#

Anyone with the spell ID from earthen smash or a weak aura to track it?

cinder nova
#

You can track it, but I dunno what good that'll do you

#

You should probably be tracking the buff you get when LS falls off, not the debuff from 4p

cinder wolf
#

Yeah, I meant a tracker for the buff

warm plinth
#

It's called earthen tenacity

#

Buff is 410218

cinder wolf
#

Okay, got it

#

Thanks a lot!

daring marlin
#

better have rashok's

#

please sir just a sip

graceful kite
warm plinth
#

He's talking about the anvil itself procced 210k

restive scroll
pearl saddle
#

are these sim bait? i wont raid on my warrior at all

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jagged pier
#

their garbage for us

twin bramble
restive scroll
#

You'd need at least one mob from the room leading to the 2nd boss, if i understood how chains work properly

cinder nova
warm plinth
warm plinth
twin bramble
#

Not a chain for those.

cinder nova
#

All chains are in the chargath hall

twin bramble
#

But routes now do a ton of pulls around chains, so figuring out how to take out stuff later

#

And most routes showing to skip those 2. Was curious if I was missing something other than the obvious go down the stairs

cinder nova
#

Honestly unless you're doing 22 or 23, I don't see pulling a bunch of shit outside that hallway into that hallway saving you much time.

#

If you just rip apart the hallway with chains you'll be fine.

chilly pulsar
#

I'm having some trouble regarding keeping aggro on M+ when a pull starts.
Sometimes the Havoc Demon Hunter simply does too much damage to a target I'm not currently on and gets killed by Melee.
AFAIK I'm doing all I can to hold aggro but don't wanna depend entirely on Mass Taunt. Any ideas?

cinder nova
#

Press the dubya

cinder nova
warm plinth
chilly pulsar
cinder nova
#

Already doing it wrong then.

warm plinth
#

Ravager>Charge+Ava>Clap>Demo>Roar>Shield Charge

sick sentinel
#

is this wrong

warm plinth
#

You can pull that room however you want as long as you limit it to 1 bloodswarmer per pull

chilly pulsar
warm plinth
#

Then just do Charge+Ava (or just charge if no Ava)>Clap>Demo>Shield Charge

sick sentinel
#

bats aren't TOO bad if group kicks them and runs away, doesn't get silenced

warm plinth
#

Or if no CDs at all, Charge>Clap>Revenge>normal prio

#

Bloodswarmers are absolutely bad

sick sentinel
#

maggot is instant death sentence, green bubbles only aid him

warm plinth
#

They're legit the only dangerous mob in those pulls.

#

Everything else is avoidable

chilly pulsar
daring marlin
#

bloodswarmers are the one mob they should have yeeted from UR

#

fixates are dumb as fuck

warm plinth
#

You shouldn't need to taunt something at the start of a pull

#

except bosses

daring marlin
#

bring back skittish

warm plinth
#

And the only spec that should be peeling on pull is a devoker sending a fully empowered fire breath on pull

daring marlin
#

snicker

sick sentinel
#

teeming

chilly pulsar
#

So by default a Demon Hunter can't take the aggro off of me if I go Charge Clap Revenge and don't focus the same target than him/her?

warm plinth
#

Unless there's a huge gear disparity, that shouldn't happen

toxic pewter
#

Gonna play augmentation and do that lower threat crap onto tank all the time

chilly pulsar
#

Alright. I think I need to practice this

#

Thank you.

daring marlin
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apb that would require you to play an alt

toxic pewter
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Most fun alt so far is fdk

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I can’t deny it

daring marlin
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gearing mine next

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I'm just gonna do rat normal runs for sockets from vault

toxic pewter
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Not bad idea

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I gotta lvl the evoker

daring marlin
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then patch comes and I can just

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make lariat

toxic pewter
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Just find it sort of boring

warm plinth
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@sick sentinel This is how I pull that room

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The maggot may or may not be in pull 2, just depends where he's at in his patrol when I do it

toxic pewter
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Pull 5 is interesting never thought to do that

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Makes sense so do t have 2 of those skitters or whatever at once

proper roost
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Its for the bloodswarmer

toxic pewter
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Ya

warm plinth
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yerp

proper roost
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Bloodswarmers are what dictate pull pace around cragmaw

toxic pewter
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Gonna do that going forward

warm plinth
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and then after boss you do worm + patrol

toxic pewter
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Seems pretty effeicient

daring marlin
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good guy gnash

warm plinth
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Sometimes I'll save 6 and go toward 3rd boss though if we're waiting on lust, and just do it before Cragmaw to give time for CDs to reset between 3rd/2nd boss

daring marlin
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as mooo would say

warm plinth
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Yeah the 2nd letter of my name is just an elongated n, not an h keks

daring marlin
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luhmao

warm plinth
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I skip all ticks in my route too and kill the worm after 3rd boss because I swear pugs are fucking unable to skip him

daring marlin
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doesn't help ticks are satan

warm plinth
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yeah

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Sometimes go over count because they butt pull the defiler too :/

sand kettle
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hey guys, ive seen in neltharus people can pull the bird and the two warden in the center at the start? how is that done?

warm plinth
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Uhhh, how? They aren't there are they lol

sand kettle
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thats what i thought

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havent seen a VoD but i guess it's a thing?

warm plinth
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I guess if they're back behind the gate you could double jump or grapple or something up on to the side and tag them maybe?

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I've grappled up there before so I know it's possible to get up there

toxic pewter
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Are those mobs susceptible to chains or no

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The middle ones

warm plinth
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Probably, as long as you pull them with Chargath trash

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That's how it generally works

toxic pewter
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Ok right so I have to pull with trash from that hallway

warm plinth
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Yeah

toxic pewter
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Ok

warm plinth
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Which should be easy since the hunter/phoenix pack is right there

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Though I kinda feel like the bird wouldn't make it all the way up there before doing his AoE 🤔

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Which kinda blows

echo egret
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Wasn't there a discussion earlier about Creeping Rot (Underrot 1st boss) hitting the tank from behind ?

sick sentinel
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ya

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with the green shit

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he had it in a log

echo egret
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I got that twice today

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Boss makes a 180° to face the room, so I'm behind her, and die to the creeping rot she's casting.

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Never happened before.

warm plinth
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Sounds like you were in her hitbox

sand kettle
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that's happened to me

graceful kite
warm plinth
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Yeah just depends where they are

graceful kite
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I also think intervene would be cool for ur but ppl forgot we can have it and totally ignore me intervening

warm plinth
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Yeah and with the short range you can't really be moving all over the place to kep in range

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keep*

round pendant
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wait I haven't looked at talents this season (hardly played tbh)

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we use ITF in m+ now?

warm plinth
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Yes because the tier set makes us play Bolster

round pendant
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makes sense