34 is perfectly normal
#protection
strong forum
sick sentinel
alright okay thanks
strong forum
just wanna get a bit more haste but other than that stats are pretty much perfect
also enchant leech instead of avoidance
sick sentinel
alright will do thanks
fair elm
So. I'm really loving all three plate classes to a large degree. Right now I'm basically locked into trying Warrior for a full tier for S3, but wanted to ask here: Can someone sell me on why Warriors are mega chads over DKs?
I love how easy BDK is. I love sharing the 2H sword across frost and blood. I love grips and the control I have.
Conversely, I really, really love arms. Prot is a great sword/board class fantasy. It's tuff.
Class ADD sucks
strong forum
pwar is very fast paced, all about resource management/generation, very easy to pick up, does more dmg than bdk, you have less self healing but also take close to what feels like 0 dmg when played well
you share the same stat prio as arms with haste/crit
fair elm
Being able to charge is fucking great man. I am truly leading M+ runs by charging in first.
Contrast to DK I'm lagging behind in everything I do 🥲
strong forum
but you have to learn what is and isnt blockable, you care more about what dmg source youre up against
fair elm
For sure. Don't mistake it, I'm a scrub...
e.g. this macro
#showtooltip Shield Slam
/cast Shield Block
/cast Shield Slam
yeah then it can be very punishing to make a mistake
pwar is the most likely to die to a mistake because you dont have recovery tools besides impending victory
but like i said, its quite an easy tank to get by on
fair elm
Yeah so far it seems pretty mindless
and if you're really concerned you can just ride dstance and not care about parsing
I'm having a ton of fun with all three classes. Just don't have time to maintain all three for raiding/m+ so trying to cut back. I think I'mma all in on Prot Warrior for S3 yolo
fair elm
Because everyone says basically what you said -- it's fun, it's tanky af, and I won't regret it'
For sure. Got a long time until then.
we're just done with S2 already
strong forum
i guess
fair elm
My group basically shows up, slaps around M+ until 2k-2.5k rating and clears Heroic
then we farm or just chill until next season
fair elm
absolutely
I'm not looking to get CE or anything. Pushed that in BFA and it was kind of a drag
Heroic is 100000% where the fun is for me
fair elm
that's a great way to phrase that
crude notch
Common Nome W
daring marlin
Did you get your dice, J!?!?
round thicket
65 prot warr doing dungeons in DF right now and it's weird. I either take no damage at all and I'm constantly dumping rage on revenge or I pull two packs and I literally can't out-IP my damage intake
I guess that's what happens against spellcaster packs(?)
austere agate
is amulet still best for M+ ? even over 447 crafted?
uneven mason
Spells aren't the problem, dots on the other hand
mighty valley
is amulet still best for M+ ? even over 447 crafted?
it's already not best in m+ and it's about to get nerfed
uneven mason
is amulet still best for M+ ? even over 447 crafted?
It's being nerfed, if you mean annulet
uneven mason
Because they don't read patch notes
mighty valley
yeah it's currently still great for st dmg until it's nerfed
uneven mason
99% of people can't be fucked to pay attention until something slaps them in the dick
mighty valley
65 prot warr doing dungeons in DF right now and it's weird. I either take no dam...
also, start getting into the habit of thinking of IP as the thing you just press to prevent rage overcapping
the second you start panic mashing it, you're killing your rage gen and you're not gonna get out of that hole
ruby musk
So my 437 forgestorm is simming 300 dps over a 447 crafted weap on ST, but 600 dps lower on AoE. Hmm...
uneven mason
That's how it goes, stats are strong in ae over most procs
round thicket
also, start getting into the habit of thinking of IP as the thing you just press...
Do I not want to press it any time my IP resource tracker wa is below half full?
I figured even if you still have some when the pack dies and it decays off, still better than hitting a revenge and have your HP take full damage. Idk
daring marlin
Any other back day enjoyoooors in the chat?
karmic plinth
in the grand scheme of things ignore pain is not that important to aim to keep up 100% uptime on
mighty valley
nah, you need to have enough rage to fill every GCD, watching IP uptime is basically irrelevant
if you miss revenges, you miss SS reset opportunities and kill your whole rage engine
round thicket
ah got it thanks
mighty valley
bruh the fuck is this shit
i'm not walking through lbrs for this, no way
sick sentinel
does toxic retch become a 1-3 shot on 20s
not really above 20s, cuz ya, i'd stop counting past 20
mighty valley
it's a brutal healing check
sick sentinel
it sets off my highest level of DBM noise anyways, nuke alarm sound
i normally get hit for 1 tick of it
crude notch
bruh the fuck is this shit
No way this makes it through reset
daring marlin
does toxic retch become a 1-3 shot on 20s
It's tough but fine as long as your healer isn't asleep at the wheel and people get out of pools
granted I haven't really done keys since like week 3 :^)
manic canopy
how good is the back from sarkareth??
jagged pier
For some bosses in aid it fine its aweful for m+
warm plinth
i'm not walking through lbrs for this, no way
My initial thought too. It's good for stuff like this to be called out though. It tells blizzard that if people are willing to do a 17 year old dungeon for a 1 hour duration item to kill a single dungeon boss, it might need a little tuning
mighty valley
It sounds like an accident that no one noticed til now and will probably get fixed
mighty valley
I dunno on the m+ tuning stuff, past the KSH level I’m not sure how far it’s reasonable to expect blizzard to care
Oh no I can only get to 26 when I did 28 in a previous season
Etc
warm plinth
Naraxas (and Rokmora) are disproportionately difficult compared to most dungeon bosses even at +20
mighty valley
Yeah there are outliers I wish they’d tweak
The way people talk online though, they act like m+ is in crisis
vocal nimbus
Why people find rokmora hard tho
sick sentinel
if u just "randomly wipe" to rokmora, its 100% cuz ppl didn't kill adds and he shattered
u want to get aggro on the adds and kill them near boss and back pedal or side step once they drop
cuz u don't want them on dps killing dps and then it drops shit random places
1 add spawns every 5% hp he loses (95, 90, 85, 80, etc), so thats 20 adds in total, kill them before the shatter finishes
warm plinth
Rokmora is fucking ass if the tank is being a goon
Meaning what?
warm plinth
1 add spawns every 5% hp he loses (95, 90, 85, 80, etc), so thats 20 adds in tot...
This is not true.
warm plinth
I mean take a look at literally any log and you can see it's not true. It was thought that at one point. But it appears to just be that they spawn frequently but with about a 5 second ICD on the spawn. He also won't spawn them in the middle of a cast (razor shards or shatter).
sick sentinel
ya, i just mean don't let it live long enough that it can see the boss cast shatter
warm plinth
Yes that is how to do the boss.
crude notch
god if it was every 5% the start of the boss would be so cursed.
warm plinth
Yeah lol. Rokmora, the one boss you'd never want to lust
Hey priest, you're holy for this fight
unique cobalt
should I aim to get as high crit as possible after haste, are try to equalize it with vers through stat on crafted gear and changing fingers around ?
warm plinth
You should aim to not overthink stats. Ilevel>haste and chill on the rest. Whenever you have the option, you pick crit or vers over mastery. You can sim to figure out which to pick.
unique cobalt
ya but I mean on crafted gear for example ( I got main hand/ shield / and legs ) should I recraft them from haste/vers to haste/crit ? cause I have the choice that's what I mean
restive scroll
random trick in case someone's interested , after 3rd boss in Neltarus, when you have to jump down, you can charge critters to avoid fall damage.
So you can use leap to get out of the room of the boss and still avoid fall damage
I guess multiple people know that already, but I only recently thought about it :)
warm plinth
ya but I mean on crafted gear for example ( I got main hand/ shield / and legs )...
Sim.
I would never recraft a piece purely to change its stats though.
toxic pewter
ngl do feel bad, just had a healer leave before a key because I joined. Literally cannot do anything for the affix
apparently the lead didnt get dps that can dispel either though so not my fault..
sick sentinel
the problems im running into lately is im not doing pull orders correctly, over pulling for whats nesssecary and pointing shit at the group
moved brutal backhand in front of the healer, over pulled before first parrot boss, didn't pull the patrol that comes to second boss down hill, it pulled, reset it, we still wiped again though
am better than to fail a freehold key
ripe seal
Idk how much experience you have with doing M+ yogi, but that shit happens to everyone
Sometimes it's just one of those days
kind urchin
Been getting into keys all week and all been super smooth runs but today for some reason I've only managed to get invited to 1 key. It still went butter smooth but geez. Guess all the weekend players that think prot warrior is bad are playing right now.
Swapped over to my pally and instant invites every time. Of course on the pally I had more than double everyone else in dispells. They're all just lazy and don't want to do the affix.
warm plinth
This seems fine right?
toxic pewter
needs more slams and manual rend applications
sick sentinel
tf is a heatbound release
its ome of these, honestly not a bad trinket at all for a green
warm plinth
Yeah I wondered what the hell that was at first too lol
gloomy vortex
This seems fine right?
No one going to mention that he is using whirlwind ? Lol
warm plinth
Well both people who responded were memeing that he should have played more incorrectly
sick sentinel
its #5 on his dps
warm plinth
Yes. He had sonic boom. And barbaric training which is ironic af considering he only pressed revenge 15 times
jagged gust
Yes. He had sonic boom. And barbaric training which is ironic af considering h...
well of course, it's more expensive now, gotta be careful how you use it
warm plinth
kek
strong forum
This seems fine right?
toxic pewter
wat buff
kind urchin
Defensive stance buff
toxic pewter
ill take it
proper roost
i actually scrolled really fast initially and thought it was an aura buff instead of just dstance lmao
toxic pewter
wat funny
proper roost
just pretty much a useless buff
toxic pewter
wat u mean
kind urchin
Wish they would just take the damage dealt penalty off, or give it a buff to threat.
To compensate for the penalty
toxic pewter
I am not a fan of the stance situation but it seems blizzard is intent on us using both
and its basically a reversion of nerf we took in s1
sick sentinel
meh, i don't know many uses for it in mythic dungeons
toxic pewter
Definitely has its uses higher you go
sick sentinel
freeholds cursed tonight
torn gulch
sick sentinel
i joined a cursed group, 2 dragons 2 rogues
they didnt lust on first boss, and then we lusted and blew up to parrot
sick sentinel
HE....... mother fucker...... he stood on top of where the boss spawns in
and then he immediately gets meleed twice, and we haeve no brez
warm plinth
daring marlin
LMAO
warm plinth
I made this my paladin's details nickname
jagged gust
My favorite part of fh is when everyone stacks near me and I get to play dodge the parrot with the rest of the group
I always say to myself, you know what this fight needs? More aoe and dodge mechanics
warm plinth
It's better for people to stay close though so he's not going all over the place
proper roost
yeah you want most people to be pretty close, esp to minimize cone
you need someone to bait the pools in p2 tho
warm plinth
I think he's talking about P1
warm plinth
ohhh
toxic pewter
I honestly would sub to yogi if he streamed
toxic pewter
I think he has a funny/good personality for streaming too
jagged gust
So I bought a G600 because I thought it would be great for all the extra keybinds we need
turns out i fucking hate this mouse lol
toxic pewter
Is it true Vdh outheals bdk these days. Some guy in twitch saying that’s the case
toxic pewter
turns out i fucking hate this mouse lol
Lol can you return it
graceful kite
Is it true Vdh outheals bdk these days. Some guy in twitch saying that’s the cas...
nah cant be true
jagged gust
bought it refurbished, no takesie backsies 😦
toxic pewter
Shoot
cinder storm
Send it to me, I'll take it as a freebie
toxic pewter
Maybe you can gift it to someone yah lol
graceful kite
you cant outheal being immortal
jagged gust
honestly probably will, maybe some kid would make better use of it than me, im too much of a boomer to get used to something new lmao
the g403 tho, this thing is my jam
wish it had some extra buttons on the left mouse click though, that would make it perfect
warm plinth
So I bought a G600 because I thought it would be great for all the extra keybind...
Really? I love it.
graceful kite
im a g102 enjoyer
kind urchin
If you don't take damge you don't have to heal.
warm plinth
What don't you like about it?
toxic pewter
What are these? Fancy gaming mouse with like 30 buttons or whatever?
graceful kite
If you don't take damge you don't have to heal.
but we're talking about outhealing
jagged gust
What are these? Fancy gaming mouse with like 30 buttons or whatever?
g600 has the 12 buttons on the side and a third mouse clicker
toxic pewter
Ah
warm plinth
Highly recommend it
toxic pewter
Yeah never used one and I feel like I’m too old to start now lmao
hazy bronze
The third click was weird
warm plinth
I've used one for years
crude notch
hey that's my mouse
hazy bronze
I got the corsair version
jagged gust
It's the third mouse click that annoys the hell out of me, that and training my thumb to use the side has not gone well
it's a skill issue for sure
toxic pewter
So wait do you still use keyboard binds also or is the main ones on the mouse
kind urchin
I've seen bdk's hit over 200k hps but never seen a vdh do that so I don't think so.
crude notch
how long ago did you get it?
warm plinth
The third mouse click can be disabled. But I guess I have bigger hands so my ring finger is on the side of the mouse, not on the button.
jagged gust
got it tuesday
toxic pewter
Is the mouse treated as the main input for you guys or keyboard
crude notch
my ring finger rests nicely on it and i just use it as shift
warm plinth
Mouse is defensives/utility. Rotational shit is still kb
People who do rotation on the mouse weird me out.
toxic pewter
Yah that’s how I would do it also main rotation on keyboard makes more sense
Maybe I should try one 🤔
warm plinth
Like these are my paladin's mouse buttons (8 is bop but it's bound in clique)
crude notch
I have a swifty macro so my rotation is one button 4head
and that button is spacebar
🙂
warm plinth
kek
toxic pewter
Lol
warm plinth
I use the mouse right below the wheel for set focus, and I use mouse wheel right for my mount opie
jagged gust
This is how im rolling, I honestly just need like 1-2 more actionable buttons on my mouse, there needs to be something reasonable in between 2 and 16
I think war is simple enough that I get away with the g403, but if I had something like monk or pally or just generally more utility I'd probably need to familiarize myself with the 600 just to not be a scrub
graceful kite
i normally get hit for 1 tick of it
you can reflect it
vocal verge
I’m a rotation on the mouse person 😂
Charge is e, ccs are on r, my kicks go on shift s
I’m pretty much an abomination
jagged gust
Oh dang I never even considered binding my backpedal button
toxic pewter
When you see prot warr who’s almost 3k running 4 piece and heavy repercussions and bolster weird
crude notch
I think war is simple enough that I get away with the g403, but if I had somethi...
It's not an exact science, using a gaming mouse =/= 100 parse, nor does not having one immediately mean you suck. Whatever works for you works for you.
mellow bridge
I'd never unbind backpedal as a tank
jagged gust
It's not an exact science, using a gaming mouse =/= 100 parse, nor does not havi...
fair enough, I don't know other classes well enough to even qualify to have an opinion on whats needed to play them anyways
I also know my tank anxiety would make me feel judged regardless 😅
frozen rose
um simple question does demo shout work against raid boss for damage reduction, like tank buster hit
crude notch
yeah wow is nowhere near complex enough to even remotely require a gaming mouse to excel.
crude notch
um simple question does demo shout work against raid boss for damage reduction, ...
yes
vocal verge
Oh dang I never even considered binding my backpedal button
Still have back pedal bound to s. Shift-s is the actual keybind.
toxic pewter
Watching a prot warr on twitch he’s in defensive stance 100% of the time hmmm
Blizz prob sees most warriors in it all the time so buffing it back to what it used to be makes sense
🤔
lilac bloom
OH MY god underott destroys me on cragmaw the infested
toxic pewter
Were you in defensive stance
toxic pewter
Yeah just group not stepping on ticks
lilac bloom
it was too overwhelming
when he jumps and jumps again
its hard to kill him after that.. cos he just runs everywhere
from beginning i go to tank him at piles of bones.. then after he spits then run of 2nd time.. the eggs just goes everywhere
this is 2nd time on 13 key it just go bad
toxic pewter
Yeh he can mess groups up on tyrannical. Especially slow groups that don’t prioritize tick stomping
lilac bloom
they try but very hard to get all of them
toxic pewter
Gotta get them all or almost all of them
Otherwise the ticks overwhelm tank with bleeds
lilac bloom
i guess if u can't clear blleeeds u not a good tnakk
shut summit
in a +13 it doesnt matter what tank or spec you are, you guys just arent doing the boss properly
toxic pewter
i guess if u can't clear blleeeds u not a good tnakk
Yeah that’s a pretty poor take from what we just talked about to be honest
sick sentinel
i cant win with freehold
cinder storm
Where are you having issues?
sick sentinel
oh just yogi problems we beat the key, over time but im disgusted with that key
toxic pewter
U got video
crude notch
i guess if u can't clear blleeeds u not a good tnakk
if you do the boss right there's no bleeds TO clear
uneven mason
i guess if u can't clear blleeeds u not a good tnakk
"my group fails at this mechanic" != "This tank sucks because he can't cover for a shit group"
Crawmag can be toxic AF though if you have a group full of mouth breathing keyboard turners
vocal verge
Just have to remind people that if they want to time the key they just have to give up uptime for the ticks. If that doesn’t fix it it wasn’t meant to be.
Wish the block list was bigger for this reason.
toxic pewter
Can get blacklist addon
daring marlin
Could make friends and never have to pug again
BE MY FRIEND
toxic pewter
“Friends” only hold u back. Pug life is only way to live
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6XpcG2EtJ_8 nobody at all: ...
tanks after dps and healer die on boss:
violet flume
reminds me one of my hymdall kills
never noticed how little damage he did
soloed him on +20
jagged gust
Solo half the bosses in Nel
Watch the enh shaman get a forgestorm for eating gravel half the key
modern brook
Sugma lmao
dusky canopy
bro i gotta macro anvil to like mortal strike or something
i always forget to cast it as dps
lul
toxic pewter
Apparently people are bringing three tanks to rashok because people don’t understand the tank swap mechanic
crude notch
bro i gotta macro anvil to like mortal strike or something
have you tried not being shit?
proper roost
I would really like to see a raid group be meeting the dps check on mythic rashok with 3 tanks
that is honestly just impressive
undone verge
idk the reason for bringing 3 tanks to rashok tbh
toxic pewter
Oh I’m talking about heroic some random stream I’m watching lmao
undone verge
heroic lmfao
toxic pewter
Yah LOL
undone verge
link the stream I wanna watch
toxic pewter
oh the tanks left
undone verge
while I do mythic rashok
jagged gust
wait is this the same group with the tank who wouldnt leave def stance?
toxic pewter
Same stream different group he in now though
I watched him with a prot warr in 23 underrot warr was in defenseive stance entire time. Then another prot warr in 23 freehold also in defensive stance entire time
So leads me to believe prot warrs are just out there always in defensive stance
undone verge
I can almost respect dstance in high keys, but in heroic raid 
toxic pewter
I mean still weird though they stay in d stance on packs of mobs and their health bars just not moving.. I’m talking the entire time
I think most people don’t swap stances
Like a heavy majority
jagged gust
Sometimes I'll swap to dstance for a heavy fort pull, and then forget about switching for the next 3 minutes >.>
dusky canopy
have you tried not being shit?
TRY DN
waxen vale
https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620
This is the way
I just stuck at it
undone verge
I mean still weird though they stay in d stance on packs of mobs and their healt...
yeah def
toxic pewter
I mean they missed timing the underrot by 34 seconds maybe some extra dps could of made up for it.. but yeah who knows
lusty grotto
people in 18s/19s are so weird to me holy shit
limpid pawn
does shatering throw work on afflicted again?
or do wars have nothing still for them
lusty grotto
it never worked on afflicted, youre thinking incorporeal
limpid pawn
oh, ok the one that has the immunity is what i meant
i remember they gave it to us, then reverted it
toxic pewter
we have zero ways to deal with afflicted
limpid pawn
is it now back where it works again?
limpid pawn
ok, and what is more valuable - extra socket on gear or 3 ilevels for helmet?
lusty grotto
sim
this shit right here
why is this even a thing lmao
like holy shit its tyrannical week he'll obviously go by 3 of the chains so who cares
on a 18, so stupid lmao
lusty grotto
thank god for shit like personal blacklist
the rogue said the hunter was apparently complaining before I joined
im like huh
toxic pewter
This game’s player base man, so toxic
toxic pewter
Yeah
lusty grotto
smh my head
toxic pewter
Just pathetic is what it is
lusty grotto
yeah fr
lusty grotto
yea i feel bad for the guy
toxic pewter
Illidan people out in force these days though
I’ve had a lot of rough interactions with illidaners
Just lot of tryhard with bad attitude
lusty grotto
ive had it in every server, but i know some moonguard dudes from a certain guild that are just absolute dicks
toxic pewter
Yah I can see that
uneven mason
hes complaining about chains on tyrannical week what the fuck
Dude probably watches MDI on repeat and has a waifu pillow of (insert top Hunter)
toxic pewter
Lol
lusty grotto
he does, but he missed the entire point
i dont doubt it
a nelth will not be done on a tank missing a chain on tyrannical week
especially not on an 18
toxic pewter
Def not
median tulip
I can almost respect dstance in high keys, but in heroic raid <:critcake:9845498...
I'll DStance in HC for Zskarn Bomb pickup, Neltharion wall breaks and Sarkareth bombs. Otherwise it's BStance all the way.
median tulip
There's no reason not to DStance for those particular moves, because you aren't doing DPS while they happen anyway
uneven mason
It's fine as a CD, I mean neltharion wall break you're going to be out of melee for a little anyway so not much in the way it of lost dps
lusty grotto
yeah well zskarn duty is for dps offtanks anyway
but the other 2 im not gonna be in danger anyway so shrug
well i dont bomb pickup as a tank anway either on sark
crude notch
Not about if you're gonna be in danger though in those situations.
lusty grotto
i get that
median tulip
It's just saving the healers some effort
crude notch
cool
lusty grotto
i wouldn't advice against it, its a good swap
median tulip
I quite like my healers, so I give them an easy time where I can
undone verge
depends on if its actually gonna hurt, like mitigating tiny dmg for the sake of tiny dmg doesn't matter, but like if you're taking unnecessary dmg to the point where healers are gonna waste mana then go dstance
proper roost
I mean they cited specific examples where you lose uptime anyway
i think it is kind of silly to say dstancing for the specific examples listed is a preference kind of thing or doesnt matter but eh whatever
we're not in each others' raids who cares
crude notch
Just as long as no one says doing it in those scenarios is a loss, no one gets stabbed.
I'm not here to uplift anyone heck you.
jagged gust
/poke
strong forum
ON A 18?!?!
Sorry bro need to do +27 strats to time this key that requires the dps to do 80k overall dps to time the key without abusing chains 🥺
lusty grotto
lol
uneven mason
Gotta use chains to compensate for the ragnaros spriest that's pulling 35k and eating dirt every other pull
crude notch
I'm not sure if you know this
But
People pull that DPS regardless of their server.
uneven mason
But somehow it's always that one when I notice it
crude notch
So your desire to mention that server must be seeded in something else.
I wonder what.
Hmm
uneven mason
It's not my fault they have a lot of bad players on ragnaros
sand pebble
Ah yes the ragnaros affix
crude notch
There's a lot of bad players on every server you bigots
lusty grotto
warm plinth
I'm this close to deciding that Underrot is the worst key to pug after the truly terrible ones I've been in this week.
uneven mason
Some servers are just better known for some things, like if I see a mage from azralon I know they're going to be a pumper, or a dh from illidan they're going to be a toxic window licker and pull ahead, a paladin from stormrage is probably the best healer I'll have this week.
warm plinth
There was one where I soloed the last energy bar of last boss because I couldn't be bothered to deal with them just dying again
And we wouldn't time it either way
proper roost
the healer brain check is just real in 20s
huge coinflip if you get some dumper who does 1 key a week
uneven mason
There was one where I soloed the last energy bar of last boss because I couldn't...
Loving when they run the cleansing circle out of the group
That boss gets easier the less people are alive
warm plinth
Nextr week is incorp/sang
lusty grotto
GHASH
proper roost
i don't know what made this week tyr so intimidating for me to want to heal
lusty grotto
bnet answer pls
proper roost
but maybe i'm just burned out
warm plinth
I would if I wasn't already in a group 😢
lusty grotto
median tulip
It's not my fault they have a lot of bad players on ragnaros
Is NA-Ragnaros like EU-Kazzak?
crude notch
Server tribalism is the weirdest shit ever
crude notch
You can swap servers
lusty grotto
strong forum
Never understood the "X server people suck"
median tulip
Kazzak is a dice roll; Sometimes you roll a natural 20 and get a god. The other 19 times you get a mouth-breathing idiot who can't tie his own shoelaces together without strangling himself.
strong forum
Such a broad generalisation to make
median tulip
Experience
crude notch
Literally no EU server does more 20+ keys a week than Kazzak, so if you're being biased against Kazzak, you're just kneecapping yourself.
strong forum
Kazzak is a dice roll; Sometimes you roll a natural 20 and get a god. The other ...
It's almost as if kazzak is one of the biggest horde servers in all of wow
Same can be said for literally any big server
crude notch
And the laws of percentages literally imply that you're obviously going to run into more bad people on a more popular server.
yea
pallid quiver
Wait, you mean there's more bad players when there's more players? holy shit, that's a wild take
next you're gonna say there's more good players when there's more players
crude notch
Nah all the bad players somehow conglomarated onto specific servers according to these weirdos.
strong forum
1 thing that however is closer to true is, that people from localised servers like french/russian/german/Italian are less likely to be able to communicate
proper roost
i just don't invite anyone into my m+ groups, that's how I dodge having anyone worse than me in there
median tulip
In my experience the big servers tend to atrtract a proportionally higher number of terrible players, because you get a lot of the "I'll join the big server and get into a top Mythic guild" types
strong forum
Well, but they also house the good players
Cuz ain't no good player hiding on low pop server
crude notch
In my experience the big servers tend to atrtract a proportionally higher number...
Imagine that the servers with the good guilds, have good players, more breaking news at 7.
strong forum
Atleast logically speaking
median tulip
Best PUG healer I ever saw was from an RP realm
strong forum
No reason to be on a small server, but theres also no big downsides anymore
Servers in general don't say much these days
Besides who's guild you can join
crude notch
Especially with this cross realm trading shit coming in
We making toons on any server baby
I'm making toons on servers for names now
But yeah it's basically all just one giant server at this point, the more and more they tie it all together.
I think after 10.1.5 the only thing that'll be notably realm restrictive is pre-hof mythic raiding.
toxic pewter
I am from the best server
crude notch
true
undone verge
In my experience the big servers tend to atrtract a proportionally higher number...
^
toxic pewter
Me and yogi r on the same server so u no it is the best
I swear I saw him in val one time.. or maybe it was a dream..
toxic pewter
You know where to find us.. 52nd length x width
undone verge
In my experience the big servers tend to atrtract a proportionally higher number...
exactly why you have giant servers like rag with reputations. Adding to that a lot of the best players tend to avoid pugging due to the language barrier
median tulip
A very significant number of good players anywhere will have statics or prioritze guild runs
crude notch
If you're gonna ignore high pop servers when pugging you're gonna be chilling in queue a lot
median tulip
I almost never pug; just ping my guild discord and go
crude notch
A very significant number of good players anywhere will have statics or prioritz...
Another groundshattering observation
Sheesh
keep em up Zeta
toxic pewter
Pug life is only way to master this game
Only when you delve into the depths of pug life do you really find your true self
undone verge
I feel like Rag;s reputation is probably more due to a lot of high io players who really underpreform. Like ive had 3kio players do half tank dmg
toxic pewter
Dude I actually made friends with some rag players I was learning Spanish from them they’re funny as hell
crude notch
Don't play stupid, you know very damn well why Rag receives it's reputation.
toxic pewter
One added me to their friends list LOL he still whispers me to do transmog runs
crude notch
It's because they're not white.
undone verge
contrary to popular belief, not everything is racist
while we all work to create a world while race is not ever considered, people bringing up color every 5 seconds are not helping. Im not going say anything else cause this isnt some political discussion channel
toxic pewter
I grouped with a streamer I watch and apparently he won’t invite people from a certain guild on my server.. have you guys seen people hold grudges against certain guilds even
warm plinth
Holding a grudge against a guild is quite different to excluding or talking shit on people from a specific realm whose sole difference is the language they speak.
toxic pewter
Yah the situations are different
crude notch
Yes but as highlighted by many every server has bad players
proper roost
well they can't be blue. blue is not a human color
crude notch
So there's a distinct reasoning one would feel the need to mention ragnaros
over other servers with bad players
warm plinth
The problem isn't saying "god I hate fucking rag players". It's that that's the ONLY realm (besides Azralon/QT which are also LA) that people single out.
Like you can just say I fucking hate bad players, full stop
proper roost
bad players kinda own tbh
it's both relatable and also you're like man, i could be worse!
jagged gust
It's fun to have like, 1 bad player in a pug, especially if they're self aware
then you guys just riff the entire dungeon
toxic pewter
Not me
cerulean tusk
If a player keeps having bad experiences with players from set server, is it not only natural to shun that server? We are only human after all. Some servers do have different attitudes and norms, or so it do often seem 
crude notch
"We are only human" while true does not excuse generalisations
toxic pewter
Yah it bad to generalize
jagged gust
The best players are alliance from Area 52
cerulean tusk
Why tho? If it is a real pattern
jagged gust
It's like bless your heart
lusty grotto
1 person or 100 people does not mean that millions upon millions of others are the same just because they have similar traits
toxic pewter
It’s a slippery slope and unwise
Should try to treat everyone as a individual, as we are
cerulean tusk
So there are no norms to guide us?
lusty grotto
looking for patterns is human and scientific like sure, looking for patterns to attribute negative behavior trascends race/language/etc
crude notch
Bad players are on every server, are you going to avoid every server?
jagged gust
i only play wow irl
crude notch
When you're avoiding ragnaros but not another server with a bunch of bad players, there's a reason other than bad players that you're avoiding it.
You can even say, "I avoid ragnaros because I don't know how to properly communicate with them." That both tackles a situation and makes you not look like a racist cuck.
cerulean tusk
If player only see bad players from source A, avoiding that seems reasonable to do. So let's say 7/10 times from A, 5/10 from B and 4/10 from C. Prio C to B to A, seems logical to minimize risks
lusty grotto
if you only see bad players from source A, youre completely disregarding other sources
and that is a fact
because if youre doing keys regularly, you see this shit from EVERYWHERE
unless you have been writing down where each bad player is from, youre only noticing source A because of a common trait
which glares like a neon sign
crude notch
If you're taking a hard stance on 7/10, 5/10, and 4/10 people then idk what to tell you.
That's not that many people
toxic pewter
It’s a dangerous game to play, because when you only factor in a single thing such as server, it’s discounting effectively an infinite amount of other data points
cerulean tusk
Sure, but we are limited beings, so would it not be just to base it on personal experience so far?
toxic pewter
Well that’s why it’s bad to make decisions based on just one data point
Try to get as many as possible
crude notch
Sure, but we are limited beings, so would it not be just to base it on personal ...
Yes but have you ever thought something but know it's not wise to say it?
jagged gust
there's also the concept of negative reinforcement
cerulean tusk
There is, indeed
jagged gust
"I always stub my toe on that table"
cerulean tusk
Table must be the reason. Yep
jagged gust
Well no, you don't, but every time you do you notice it, not the hundreds of times you dont
cerulean tusk
So, let us say you do 100 keys, in 99 of those, a DH is always raging and making it a bad time. Would it be alright to avoid DHs to reduce that risk?
lusty grotto
no it wouldnt be alright
cerulean tusk
How come?
lusty grotto
i feel that, we've said this like 5 times already
cerulean tusk
lusty grotto
maybe he has double casters
crude notch
TRUE
lusty grotto
its a good pick
toxic pewter
I guess the answer goes back to if you believe in objective moral truth or not
crude notch
You're just closing off yourself from potentially really awesome human interactions if you start exluding servers, classes, etc because someone else was a cuck or was GOD FORBID, bad.
cerulean tusk
Think of all the headache you will save yourself from, tho
toxic pewter
The best answer I can give is if you continue to think with a stereotypical mindset, you’ll never experience that 100th dh.. that run may actually be the greatest run of your life, but you’ll never experience that as you effectively have closed yourself off from that possibility.
Alas the negative bias is strong in humans that is true
lusty grotto
just gotta make the effort to start thinking without generalizations
im not a saint
i generalize from time to time
crude notch
but you're cute as heck
lusty grotto
but then i try to step back from that
lusty grotto
but you're cute as heck
NO U ARE
cerulean tusk
Hm, in the case if 99% chance of bad and 1% good. I rather just cut out the bad and not risk it. As there is no need to take a perceived risk for no reasoning other than 'morality'
lusty grotto
those percents arent really proven
toxic pewter
Lol you say morality as if it’s not the most important thing there is
lusty grotto
your numbers will never hold up on a probabilistic study
crude notch
If you're running into grumpy DHs in 99 out of 100 keys, there's only one common denominator actually
And that's you
lusty grotto
youre trying to put numbers on something that is absolutely not a statistical study, feelcrafty
cerulean tusk
The number exists as is, as ai made it up for the point. If that is the case - I think it is really weird you still argue that taking that 1 in a 100 chance is correct
jagged gust
They're also kinda grumps because we kinda killed their big baddie like 3 expansions ago and they're getting restless
crude notch
JESUS MY EYES
cerulean tusk
It is not an example, it is a point to see where you draw the line
lusty grotto
what was the one i was looking for
cerulean tusk
Sure it does, if you got burned 99 times, would you still put your hand into the fire for the good results?
cerulean tusk
How many times do you give away all your belongings?
lusty grotto
your scenario is not something you can replicate in real life
toxic pewter
Yeah but fire is objectively going to burn you.. human dh player is not a confirmed negative experience
crude notch
If I come up with a scenario where my generalisations are okay, is it okay to generalise is the crux of your argument rn.
99 out of 100 is not a realistic scenario
Except for making your generalisations okay
cerulean tusk
Let us say 1/5 Vs 1/4
crude notch
If 20% of my interactions with a server are bad
No I'm not going to avoid that server
crude notch
Also
I don't write down every server I game with anyways
Who actually keeps track of that number though
WHO
WHOOOOOOOOO
apb's bait persona would, but that's a fake person.
cerulean tusk
So you got no line, no gut feelings or personal experience?
toxic pewter
Lol.. yes… bait…
cerulean tusk
toxic pewter
Remember the golden rule
cerulean tusk
I am just glad you guys are purist and unyielding, fanatical devout to your stances
crude notch
Ah
toxic pewter
Yes battle stance in my case
toxic pewter
I mean I just try to treat everyone as an individual.. based on their merits and actions. Try to give people benefit of the doubt if I can
toxic pewter
Well ya we are only human
cerulean tusk
Golden rule is absolute
crude notch
Not generalising is hard, but that doesn't make generalizing okay.
cerulean tusk
Generalisation could save you from a lot of negative experiences, no? Better stay safe with option B to X
crude notch
Time to move on because you're now resorting to melodrama.
toxic pewter
Golden rule is absolute
Only a sith deals in absolutes
crude notch
Generalisation could save you from a lot of negative experiences, no? Better sta...
Never going outside could save me from a lot of negative experiences.
Does that mean I should never go outside?
cerulean tusk
Sure, if that is the option you want to take for yourself
lusty grotto
I am just glad you guys are purist and unyielding, fanatical devout to your stan...
youre reflecting
i dont think our takes are purist at all
your absolute IS purist
crude notch
Like generalize all you want, we don't give a shit, but don't be all pikachu faced when we comment on it.
cerulean tusk
Is it though? You are the one stating to ignore your guts, experiences and data
toxic pewter
Honestly seems you’re relying more on feelings and emotions than logic and data tbh
warm plinth
Tell you what, you record every single interaction you have with everyone from every server you play with. Don't discriminate on your invites. Come back to me in a year with that data, and maybe then you'll have a leg to stand on.
lusty grotto
and hypotheticals
yep all hypotheticals
cerulean tusk
Interesting, so you would then accept the data as proof and change your stances
toxic pewter
I follow a streamer that actually keeps log of every one of his negative pug groups and illidan appears in there the most if I recall correctly
crude notch
Can we give him two legs if he's right?
lusty grotto
i could give you non-hypothetical data if you want, the contents of my PBL, and its still not statistically accepted because ive only encounter just a small sector of the pop
and just out of looking at it i have way more people from illidan and area52 than any of the latin american servers combined
and feelcrafty as it is, it makes sense because those 2 realms have a huge pop
undone verge
idk if rag has as many players but its def up there with pop
lusty grotto
and it STILL isnt something that should be taken as statistical as it is
undone verge
its a mega mega server
cerulean tusk
So Latin American share the same norm set as Americans online?
lusty grotto
...what?
cerulean tusk
I am from the EU. There are differences between Scandinavian, Baltic and French norms. So I am curious if your norms are the same?
cerulean tusk
Humans got different cultures and values
crude notch
idk if rag has as many players but its def up there with pop
Rag is 10th in The US/OCE/LA/BR/ETC category as far as population via Raider.io tracked characters (I'm trying to find the definition but I have to poop)
cerulean tusk
Indeed, cultures - your groundwork is based on upbringing. It is not only genetic
lusty grotto
im not talking about genetic anything
cerulean tusk
You said all humans are the sme
lusty grotto
latin american players can be any race, any color
☝️
cerulean tusk
I am talking culture
toxic pewter
I mean even in America there’s a lot of cultures. Our country is the size of Europe
lusty grotto
we're talking about gaming, not if people shit on sitting toilets or floor toilets
what a dumb argument, culture
crude notch
I poop standing up, it's my culture
toxic pewter
Are you talking about server culture lol like the culture of a server?
cerulean tusk
You brush it away so easily. But that is what I am asking
crude notch
What are you asking
cerulean tusk
Is there perhaps cultural crashes, in what is acceptable. Be it language, behaviour or actions
If all is the same, then it is what it is
warm plinth
Interesting, so you would then accept the data as proof and change your stances
Yeah, if you gather that data then I will change my stance.
cerulean tusk
Neato, I like that
warm plinth
But you have to show no prejudice in inviting people.
crude notch
What French norms are there when someone from Hyjal joins your key?
Do you instantly surrender or?
cerulean tusk
I haven't played enough with them to know
crude notch
Oh cool so you're making shit up again
cerulean tusk
I do know that Blackmore got a lower tolerance of timewasting though. If you bring Raven rest, they got more. And so on.
lusty grotto
what cultural norm is there for raging, quitting, inting a key?
what is the cultural norm associated with getting carried and bringing themselves to a higher key just because of io obtained through those means?
cerulean tusk
Sure, some seem to leave more often in my experience. So if I do a weekly key, I avoid Blackmore if I expect bumps.
cerulean tusk
A server on EU
crude notch
Thanks for the vague posting
lusty grotto
so what cultural trait do they have that you have to avoid them?
cerulean tusk
They seem to prio their own time and leave at the first set of problems. A lower tolerance in general of being inefficient with their time
crude notch
Based on what
cerulean tusk
A few years of WoW personal bias
I thought that would be quite clear, it bears no weight.
crude notch
But how many peoples
cerulean tusk
100s if not thousands, maybe tens of thousands.
crude notch
What about Lordaeron and Tichondrius?
cerulean tusk
No experience with those servers. Probably not in the same group
lusty grotto
how long have you been playing WoW?
cerulean tusk
Interesting, but I can't say I have. Most to all are from other servers
Are they perhaps horde?
crude notch
Is what horde?
cerulean tusk
The server population
crude notch
60/40
cerulean tusk
Hm, can't say I played with them though
crude notch
Anyways, back to Nim's question how long have you been playing?
cerulean tusk
Since alpha
crude notch
What languages do you speak?
cerulean tusk
English, Spanish, some German, and ofc Scandinavian is all understandable
Danish vocals tho, is potato language
frosty mist
so you guys have issues to launch the game this morning ? I'm disconnect all the time without even choose my character
cerulean tusk
No problems EU side
warm plinth
Yeah, there's known issues affecting D4 that seem to be affecting WoW a bit as well.
https://twitter.com/BlizzardCS/status/1672845436338466816 People in the replies saying that they're having trouble with WoW too.
warm plinth
🤷
cerulean tusk
Try swap sever before char screen
jagged gust
I had my name flagged and was force to rename, chose my same name and couldn't log in for like 15 minutes because "That name already exists" 😦
frosty mist
well, I'm already disconnected before that
cerulean tusk
Ya doomed, Alcor
frosty mist
:/
lusty grotto
I had my name flagged and was force to rename, chose my same name and couldn't l...
happens, when i faction changed it screwed me up a bit
cerulean tusk
Name doesn't go with?
median tulip
so you guys have issues to launch the game this morning ? I'm disconnect all the...
Yeah, I'm getting the same issue. Seems to fail when retrieving the Realm List. EU here.
frosty mist
😦
cerulean tusk
Aight, memo to self, don't log out
warm plinth
Oh man, I gotta talk to yogi about this Brackenhide tomorrow
unique cobalt
any idea how to join the chat where crafters spam in chat ? it just disappeared
warm plinth
/join trade should get you back in
ashen hearth
Try chat settings
daring marlin
what the fuck happened in chat
also tichondrius and illidan are the worst on NA don't @ me
daring marlin
Wouldn't have bricked it if you had less vers tbh
hollow root
hero forgestorm 
daring marlin
yes good
sick sentinel
1/2 way tempted to go run that damn freehold again
4% throthak wipe temporarily broke me
hazy bronze
Guess I’ll need to stack that
Truth. What other stat reduces damage taken?
sick sentinel
i should not be fucking wiping to freehold....... of all places.....
orchid mural
Uldaman Tyr is legit ridiculous. Poor healers.
sick sentinel
nah, fort uldaman pugged on a low key is a true experience
part of the issue you had is bolster, which is quazi fort
when you got a dude on a +12 on the second pack that enrages, and then since you didnt hit shield block or turn shield at him, hes melee-ing you for, what was it? 350k? 400k? normal white hit melees... what da hell... lol
daring marlin
i should not be fucking wiping to freehold....... of all places.....
Why not?
TROTHAAAAAK THE SHARK PUNCHAAAAAARRRRR
sick sentinel
he punched my group with his sharks
daring marlin
sick sentinel
and then his shark chased me and i died at 4% with the other remaining dps
cuz, with 2 targets, you are ALWAYS one of the targets, or both
sick sentinel
literal evillaugh.wav in that footage
cyan sorrel
sick sentinel
healer just to aware how that boss works i guess, its a bit tough
ideal strategy is to take him to 2 , or preferably 3 or more blood pools, and healer is somewhere near that, where they have at least 1 blood to block and another nearby, takes 2 pools for sharks to go away what i've seen
hollow root
i kekked
graceful kite
We gotta get you through a 20
nah
daring marlin
naur
sick sentinel
tbf i cant walk anywere in wow right now
ashen coral
Hello, I have a question
Is the onyx annelet nerf already effective ? Do we take the defensive build or do we swap the item for other thing ?
jagged gust
wut
strong forum
Hello, I have a question
Is the onyx annelet nerf already effective ? Do we tak...
10.1.5
and youll just not play annulet anymore
the "defensive" build is garbage
ashen coral
Okay I have time for now then, thank you !
deft mortar
very tempted to
run a few dungs a week again
In between classic HC plays
But 2 lazy 2 deal with learning new dung pathing + forming pugs
^ which unless I know the ideal pathing, puggers will hate me lol
strong forum
absorb annulet bullshit
restive crown
how do i log in to wow now o.o
sick sentinel
GG
next jay
is there any diff between doing one shield block charge at a time, or just ripping them both?
mighty valley
there is a maximum duration but it’s like 2.5x one sb or something
if you don’t need the rage to revenge it’s not a big deal, but yknow. be thoughtful I guess
jagged gust
Longest ive seen the buff stack to was 32 seconds
but generally no, other than rage conservation or saving a charge for the next pack
sick sentinel
an over time run wasn't going to sit with me
gotta do enough of these that i can get invited into better io groups at 16s
cerulean tusk
NL 16 is free 
waxen vale
is going left an option for brickenhide this week
i struggled with bolstering totems and constant poisions on my paladin cant imagine how it will be on warr
toxic pewter
?
waxen vale
going left after the trio
i think there are a lot of stalkers there which might be worse bolstered ig
do u guys use bitter immmunity for brickenhide?
daring marlin
i struggled with bolstering totems and constant poisions on my paladin cant imag...
The poisons are nothing, wat?
crude notch
yeah you might want to check what you're actually struggling with via logs
waxen vale
maybe if the poisoners get bolstered its really bad
idk what was going on
i was cleansing on cd
they said a totem got bolstered
fringe iron
For Underrot - Crawg fight, when do you leap out of indigestion? right after cast? before?
oh nevermind, range leap not cast leap
toxic pewter
not sure totems can even be bolstered tbh
sick sentinel
boss adds can't be or cause bolstering
crude notch
no one is talking about a boss yogi
sick sentinel
well its a summoned thing, non elite
those don't normally get hit by bolstering either
proper roost
Also you shouldn't kill totems
you need to kill the rotsinger, which instantly despawns the totem
cinder storm
For Underrot - Crawg fight, when do you leap out of indigestion? right after cas...
Usually if you start walking .5s before the cast, and you are not running towards an inclination, you can outrange it as when the boss starts casting it gets rooted, if you start walking right when the boss cast starts there's a high chance you'll get hit
warm plinth
I just take it to the face this expansion. It's the only thing you take damage from as the tank since tantrum is physical.
toxic pewter
ngl, most bored I have ever been playing wow right now
truly awful experience and 10.1.5 definitely not looking like it will bring any challenging/meaningful content either
May end up unsubbing soon
sick sentinel
blew up to first and second boss of halls about an hour ago
the frog im pretty sure its just, theres a green ring and only i get in that, but for some reason i tried to ru n out, group said frogs werent dying fast enough
first boss im pretty sure its i didnt drag the balls to boss
daring marlin
ngl, most bored I have ever been playing wow right now
I feel like I have ptsd
toxic pewter
zeralak cavern has been one of the most glaring failures I think I have ever witnessed
daring marlin
toxic pewter
yeah you are right
toxic pewter
i beat d4 campaign and stopped
daring marlin
Just come back in 10.1.5 and try pushing keys
daring marlin
I might play more then
Sorta just cruisin' til more catalyst charges
Maybe gear my dk then lol
toxic pewter
ive level 4 of my other tanks
but just dont seem to have the drive to actually do any raiding or m+ on them
warm plinth
@sick sentinel I watched your brackenhide last night. Why did you ignore the other dude (not the priest)? He was trying to he helpful and was nice the whole run
tawdry tiger
Hey folks! Why is it so hard to apply for M+ 22 keys if you are a protection warrior?
toxic pewter
?
sick sentinel
i most likely lumped him on side of being on priests side, im sure they were both right i wasn't actively attempting to blow up the key
toxic pewter
Hey folks! Why is it so hard to apply for M+ 22 keys if you are a protection war...
Have you asked the group leaders why they are not inviting you?
warm plinth
i most likely lumped him on side of being on priests side, im sure they were bot...
I didn't think you were. He was just being polite about it while the priest was being a dick, so I get ignoring the priest
tawdry tiger
Nope, but I don't see any reasons https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/73863324?zone=34
toxic pewter
Oh, yeah, so no one here can tell you why you are not invited
gotta go straight to the source if you really want to know
and even then you may never get the answers you seek
warm plinth
M+ parses don't mean anything; no one is checking those to decide whether to invite you
To venture a guess, a prot paladin or VDH signed up at the same time as you and they picked them instead.
tawdry tiger
I know some people which doing that before invite someone 😄
sick sentinel
i will say that im still ignorant of alot of things going on in keys
50/50 aware/not
warm plinth
Ask questions, get answers, put answers into practice. You don't have to just fail the mechanic and then check the dungeon journal mid-run to see where you messed up.
If youd on't know, ask
sick sentinel
using the videos these days after a bad keyt
go to where somone dies, play it back a dozne times, try to figure out if its something i was responsible for or not, if yes, try to learn
warm plinth
That's the best part of vods. Being able to dissect your gameplay and see where you went wrong
Oh I was going to ask you
What is the giant ass IP icon that shows up on your screen sometimes?
sick sentinel
usually it takes a dozen or so replays to get the correct person or event in eyesight, or a key event that occured right before, like shark toss
tawdry tiger
ok, thanks anyway. I thought someone faced this issue as well and already had answers, so probably make sense to ask party leader on what their choosing depends
sick sentinel
Ip icon is supposed to be "cast IP soon" over ... uhh... 60 rage i think? and then at like 80 or 85 it transforms into the button ish sound
warm plinth
oh okay
toxic pewter
ok, thanks anyway. I thought someone faced this issue as well and already had an...
For the record most people apparently think I’m a sociopath or something for doing this, so be warned apparently it’s in bad taste to whisper party leaders
warm plinth
Eh, just be polite. If they respond poorly, just ignore them and move on
tawdry tiger
For the record most people apparently think I’m a sociopath or something for doi...
Thanks for sharing, but tbh I don't care how people think about me, I just want to figure out it is possible to push m+ keys 22 and higher being a prot war
toxic pewter
Fair enough, most will not respond, some will be honest with you
warm plinth
It's certainly possible, but like, this is the top 20 for prot warrior in the world
You're already in the top 150 just being 2883
Community perception has always been our enemy, and any time we're not "broken", we're trash.
tawdry tiger
it is possible for sure, I mean not in private party but with pugs
hazy hazel
Something I run into quite frequently is a lot of healers somehow forget how to heal a prot warrior. Like we don't need a ton of babysitting, but the occasional renew or some other HoT would be fabulous so I don't rot off after 14 seconds with the healer saying "Wtf man, learn to play".
cinder nova
Something I run into quite frequently is a lot of healers somehow forget how to ...
All the other tanks have some kind of very noticeable self-healing that isn't passive leech or CDs like IV.
Lazy healers lazy.
proper roost
healing a tank in general is usually a mistake, so that is a major downside of pwar. outside of tank busters they still should not really need to heal you esp on tyr week
cinder nova
Yeah that's a load of tripe.
proper roost
spot the guy who's never healed
cinder nova
Tell me straight-faced how you expect PWarr to manage self-healing north of 80-100K HPS to avoid being killed in doubles, triples, or spam cast anything.
sick sentinel
that is so much leech
cinder nova
No, that's why we do about half that ourselves.
Or more if we're mashing the fuck out of IP.
But without barely keeping us alive, we're not gonna be able to just stand on our own in plenty of pulls on high keys, Tyr or Fort.
proper roost
you think healers can easily do 50k hps on st
cinder nova
Yes? Dude, I literally run with healers that do it all the time, don't be daft.
proper roost
max healer hps is like 300k with cds in aoe with massive rot
cinder nova
Maybe you can't, that's a you problem.
proper roost
proper roost
i feel so sorry for your healers
hazy bronze
I barely trust healers to do mechanics :Pepelaugh:
cinder nova
Bro, it's literally math. Acting like you should barely be healed beyond busters is utterly clownshoes
Unless you're doing dick-all for keys and solo pulling the entire dungeon
How
proper roost
spam healing wave on me i'm a prot warrior
cinder nova
You're literally the healer that doesn't heal his tank and then complains they die, sit down go literally anywhere else.
proper roost
i don't play with (bad) pwars
thank god i have never gotten a guy in a 22 who demands spam heals as a tank
toxic pewter
This game has become clownshoes tbh
proper roost
nvm literally just realized why i have almost never healed pwar
proper roost
they self select out after 22 lol 💀
sick sentinel
healer spiked at all time of 108k
frozen rose
Does anyone know from a percentage...how much spell block reduces damage on searing slash rashok? Obvz it doesnt literally BLOCK the fire damage, since I still get hit. Spell refect in tooltip says 20% DR, just wonder what it is more or less with spell block
sick sentinel
this is a log from said 14 freehold i ran today
frozen rose
i'm trying to layout my DR toolkit best as possible on rashok. (healer externals are pretty much being used to keep slam foek alive) and we have a less than normal to work with. My plan for Tbuster 1: last stand, spell block. #2, (spell block actually is still active), ward of faceless ire trink, spell reflection. #3: spell reflection, Demo Shout, Shield wall. Any suggestions of having any of that lay out differently?
sick sentinel
Does anyone know from a percentage...how much spell block reduces damage on sear...
spell block is capable of blocking 100% of a spell, so whatever's on your shield the block number plus some other modifiers
proper roost
You really gotta get those shield slam numbers up yogi
Those are rookie shield slam numbers
also do you mean to doxx yourself in those logs or is that someone else's upload.........
you gotta change ur wcl username man 💀
warm plinth
😬
strong forum
ima delete that just in case
sick sentinel
ehh well, true, just i dont know if you can do that without using another email
proper roost
You can very easily
front page (warcraftlogs.com)
-> Settings (it's near the top)
Update username
proper roost
👍
for that first pull of freehold you really want to just run into them and group them as you press thunderclap
sick sentinel
my FB has been stripped down anyways and all my important shit is 2FA
proper roost
you don't really want the charge travel time especially since it'll fuck up the positioning of the mobs, they'll trickle weirdly
toxic pewter
U did more dam than the balance druid nice
proper roost
Yeah first/last name isn't really a super big deal imo but i wasn't sure if you were aware of it
sick sentinel
depends on the color of the hat of the person viewing it , if they even do
not all wizards wear a black hat
proper roost
your demo shout usage could use some work as well
it's good offensively since it puts a damage taken buff on the enemies (for yourself)
and also the 45s cd syncs it to your other major damage cds which you could take more advantag eof
royal lodge
I am really liking the Neltharian's Call to Chaos trinket while running keys. Anyone else run keys with it?
proper roost
you really ought to not press heroic throw so much either
sick sentinel
i changed my username on the other log, just incase someone still had that window some reason
sick sentinel
