highly recommend if youre into terrariums and the sort
#protection
strong forum
proper roost
Yeah I literally spent like 2h last night watching those videos, super fascinating
crude notch
you're super fascinating
sick sentinel
i think this line is supposed to be an arnold schwartz impression, based on that its a robot that says it
formal tapir
+20 tyran BH, do you kill tricktotem or gashtooth first?
proper roost
i think i'm good with like 6-7 naturally atm
on non alarm days with normal sleep schedule I usually wake up after 6-7h
chilly brook
I need like 9 to feel best
I can function on much less
But 9 or 10 hours is usually best for me
strong forum
+20 tyran BH, do you kill tricktotem or gashtooth first?
Ghash
chilly brook
Fun fact, apparently before electricity most people would sleep around 10 hours a day
formal tapir
Ghash
Thought as much, but has a Spriest argue and refuse to switch to ghash. Didn’t kill the boss in the end.
chilly brook
That sounds like that one time I had an enhance shaman argue with me that I shouldn’t be in WFT group back in sepulcher as a prot boi
hardy snow
Do wow players sleep badly
what is sleep? 
graceful kite
Do wow players sleep badly
no
toxic pewter
I track my sleep every night
sick sentinel
i wouldnt say i track my sleep
olive bay
I sleep like shit, but that's ever since COVID
I used to have great sleep quality but now it's in the shitter. I average 3.4 hours during the week
toxic pewter
I bought a weighted blanket but I just couldn’t adjust to it. Felt really warm when using it dunno maybe I bought a bad one.
Gave it to my mom
daring marlin
shit knocks me out almost instantly
toxic pewter
Lol
lime urchin
A weighted blanket?!
dusky canopy
lime urchin
What on earth
toxic pewter
Makes mom suffer with it instead
Funny cuz she saying she wants to get rid of it also LOL
lime urchin
I am googling now
proper roost
out of all the things to be confused about the existence of..................
daring marlin
Sleep hack tbh
proper roost
Grandpa, just so you know nonleaded gasoline exists now
lime urchin
But the name already kicks in the claustrophobia
dusky canopy
It’s basically the same concept as “swaddling” an Infant is it not?
daring marlin
If you're claustrophobic avoid
toxic pewter
Yeah it’s definitely not for everyone
daring marlin
lmao
toxic pewter
Couples prob don’t use weighted blanket.. do they
dusky canopy
Sleep in a closet I guess?
waxen frigate
if you're claustrophobic face your fears head on and go caving
I went caving when I was like 12 in Boy Scouts
Fell down a crevasse
Most terrifying moment of my life
Haven’t been in a cave since
crude notch
sleep in a bunker with bombs going off around you, that'll set you straight or make you worse, results may vary. (:
proper roost
12 is a good time to do it, your bones are soft and squishy so you can squeeze into tight spaces better
daring marlin
I went caving when I was like 12 in Boy Scouts
Caving? Spelunking? lol
dusky canopy
You mean you’re not actively trying to fall into “crevasse’s” ??
waxen frigate
Same shit different name
proper roost
caving is the hardcore claustrophobia version of spelunking
waxen frigate
Idk
crude notch
i'll spelunk your anus if you don't stfu
waxen frigate
HUH
toxic pewter
😮
daring marlin
Couples prob don’t use weighted blanket.. do they
It's a king so it's definitely big enough for us and we've both used it at the same time but he doesn't like it cuz it's too heavy. 
toxic pewter
Heh ya the weighted blanket really is crazy some people can’t sleep without em others can’t deal with them
waxen frigate
My ex was really into like
Weighted blankets
But multiple at once
Just like actively squishing her
toxic pewter
Yah
dusky canopy
I’m trying to actively be squished
daring marlin
Helps me not roll around
dusky canopy
Wife ain’t about it though
proper roost
same this is why i'm playing healer in s2 keys
dusky canopy
Me to wife: “are you into causing lack of breathing”
proper roost
blizzard stepping on me
crude notch
lmao
dusky canopy
sick sentinel
yogi discussing the consume mechanic on lair worm boss for 100th time and this channels reaction
daring marlin
Forearms are screaming, not even pull day!
crude notch
still a weak ass bish i see
crude notch
no more ascii peepees in your order notes, heck.
sick sentinel
my presumption was someone called the guy a bitch cuz he didnt rank 5 the craft
some dumb crap like this
proper roost
what consume mechanic are you strugglin with yogi
Also what's with Blizzard wanting to vore tanks
sick sentinel
get eaten by the worm more often than im comfortable with
proper roost
the green poop on the ground work pretty a good
cinder nova
Use the eggs in the back of the room
proper roost
do not tell yogi about advanced positioning he can just use the green poop
sick sentinel
low fort keys you can just jump right in
not reccomended, but you can easily survive it then
crude notch
Smh not egg gaming
proper roost
It's not even advanced what
U dont know yogi
warm plinth
Moving to a specific place for a mechanic when your special move is heroic leaping 8 yards is advanced.
sick sentinel
always south to treemouth after frist boss BH right
thats what i've learned so far, want to try some other keys
proper roost
look all I'm saying is
crude notch
always south to treemouth after frist boss BH right
Correct
proper roost
you guys clearly aren't subbed to yogi's youtube channel
where he uploads his runs semiregularly
crude notch
Toxic kanga
proper roost
Also he literally just said south to treemouth and u guys think the eggs work for him
Be realistic
crude notch
Why do I have to be subbed when he links them here
proper roost
I get to see them earlier
crude notch
False
warm plinth
I thought he posted them unlisted anyway
crude notch
Kanga making shi up
proper roost
ok I confess I am not subbed to yogi's youtube channel
crude notch
Not even a real yogi fan
proper roost
sick sentinel
those are all unlisted
crude notch
Fake fan
sick sentinel
you have to have the link to view them
crude notch
Kanga more like Pekanga
rancid ember
why you naming them "pwar discord" lol
warm plinth
Because he uploads them specifically for us
sick sentinel
cuz thats the sole purpose
crude notch
So he can link them to us
rancid ember
Send more doom clips tbh
proper roost
we are yogi's special friends and advisors
crude notch
Toxic oodyn joina toxic kanga
warm plinth
we are yogi's special friends and advisors
Who he basically never listens to
rancid ember
rancid ember
now were talking
sick sentinel
i find these fasicnating to watchj
rancid ember
You ever played the doom mod Sunder?
One of zee best. lots of fun pretty difficult. Some levels are insanely well put together
proper roost
Anyways someone link the egg location to yogi but I guarantee you he isn't gonna do it
so just telling him pools work is the play
sick sentinel
no, but i played the console levels for doom 1/2 and tnt
rancid ember
And I thought you were a doom fan 😢
crude notch
Here you go yogi https://youtube.com/watch?v=aAgegBl1zng&feature=share9
sick sentinel
i cant even begin to describ the amount of 3d games based on wolfenstien 3d engines i've played
proper roost
It's not bullying it's true. he is a powerful christian who resists temptation
sick sentinel
cheese
proper roost
hmm
daring marlin
still a weak ass bish i see
5s hold shrugs burn so good fren
warm plinth
Interesting how Quazii is basically leaving his melee at the mercy of the boss while he's taking 5 seconds to run to the eggs and doesn't leave the eggs until the channel ends.
proper roost
Lmao I didn't even notice he just completely leaves 5s before the cast even starts
tbf all those videos were on like +16 ptrs right
torn gulch
i jump to eggs then when i have 2s left i let myself get dragged and charge
proper roost
💀
strong forum
i let myself get eaten at 0.1sec cuz it extends the time the boss is afk so group doesnt get as much poison
5head
(dont do this)
proper roost
let the adds get eaten so you have higher dps on boss
kind urchin
I've tried this cheese before. Boss pulled me through the eggs.
proper roost
🧠
warm plinth
I have this gigabrain idea for the fight tbh
Just don't bring a full group of melee dps to Nelth's Lair like he did in the video
proper roost
No it's simple you just have the melee dps rotate taking the melee swing
as the tank waddles out 10 seconds early
warm plinth
daring marlin
Have the arms warrior pop dbts duhhhh
dusky canopy
i let myself get eaten at 0.1sec cuz it extends the time the boss is afk so grou...
🧠🧠🧠
Stay winning King
strong forum
sick sentinel
tried to run bracken hide, group imploded to gash frenzy
yeah, he just deleted my group
proper roost
That happens
I'd imagine most healers in that key bracket do not even remotely know to use cds on gash frenzy
sick sentinel
i just taunted, bundled them up, tried to do kicks on trick totem, and this was the result
proper roost
Damn yogi is pressing like 5 buttons a second lmao
sick sentinel
is the only thing i click
hazy bronze
I know a resto shammy with title that clicks some buttons
proper roost
I hate that your first thunderclap was like 6 seconds in
sick sentinel
cuz i do it about 3 times a dungeon at max
numpad + is for lust, taunt, bubble etc
shit you don't just randomly send out
specific times, generally on a pull with many adds or a bunch of little adds spawning close
sick sentinel
sweet
proper roost
Yeah idk about this take yogi
Anytime I have to aoe taunt shout I need it asap
Aka a keybind
nocturne spindle
i know this isnt like
review rotation stuff
but you spam IP wayyy to much
and leave shield slam available alot
mighty valley
there's a lot of times he's just mashing 4 buttons simultaneously and letting jesus take the wheel
mighty valley
plus the classic "heroic leap to nowhere, achieving nothing but getting backhit"
proper roost
He pressed thunderclap like 4 times before it finally goes off as his like 6th gcd
No rend value sadge
mighty valley
the time it took him to target, while pressing no other buttons
then getting backhit walking through the three bosses again
wooden widget
I know I’m jp
mighty valley
jp street fighter
sick sentinel
hpal is nice cuz it means they don't immediately fall to one add melee
has plate and a shield
daring marlin
seems that way lmao
proper roost
Rsham is not even that much lower
its like 10% tops and theres a bunch of them in m sark kills
Nowhere near the disparity of bad dps specs like ww
I have no idea about high keys though, it's still a prevoker angle isnt it
for like top world keys
Maybe those people spamming 25+ are justified but anything below that, even "just" title, there's still gonna be a fuckton of rsham on title - ESPECIALLY if bear becomes meta for keys
Would assume wind shear gets extremely good when you no longer have AS for extra interrupt crutches
But yeah I mean, hpally is already really strong in raid and allegedly getting buffed
Gonna gear mine up and try it out for 10.1.5
toxic pewter
in a pug raid and other prot warr is running bloodborne.. on echo of nelth..
over battering ram and booming voice..
O_O
i mean there are adds toward end but still dunno about that
topaz fable
Ok, so with Diurna’s ring and Annulet getting nerfs, what are our BIS rings in 10.1.5?
Will they still be it, or can we finally upgrade our rings?
mighty valley
almost certainly just regular max ilvl haste/x rings
topaz fable
Well...I have at least one of those lined up then. I didn't expect nerf to both of them, though.
warm plinth
They're not gonna nerf one borrowed power ring just to immediately give us another one yogi 🤦♂️
proper roost
Oh god
proper roost
Now that yogi has put this bad thought into the world
That is exactly what they'll do
warm plinth
I really hope these new tertiary stats are a meme
proper roost
new in 10.2, annulet version 2!!!
topaz fable
New tertiary stats??
mighty valley
if anyone plays mtg, i think future sight is a good comparison for the megadungeon drops
warm plinth
Yeah the gear in the mega dungeon has three new stats. Titanstrike and like... demonbane and scourgesomething
topaz fable
Geez. Whelp. Time to go do some research, I guess. I had no idea.
topaz fable
Oh, well that sucks.
remote venture
strong forum
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/838113932551258146/1121912315500044418/image.png @proper roost
thats why
- fading light
- super good instant healing + devo aura + hoj/sac/bop + CR + am
for rsham to thrive you need prot pal
well not "need" but its the best combination
proper roost
Couldnt you say that for most healers tho, idk
strong forum
yeah
which is why now you see other tanks on the ladder
because hpal is just that good
so you can play other tanks
their tierset turns their lights hammer into ashen hallow
its not like historically in all of m+ hpal was the most prominent healer for no reason
proper roost
ah i see what you mean
honestly i thought ret was the one enabling a lot of non ppal currently
proper roost
ya but its representation in high keys is still weirdly high
strong forum
cant do both
proper roost
so i figured that was because of the utility p much
strong forum
yeah ofc its super solid, but not good enough for WF keys
immortal DPS but has to choose do to either a or b
waxen vale
I qued into a nelth lair as paladin today and could barely bring myself to do it. How can i ever tank this dungeon as anything but warrior ever again?
uncut thunder
May anyone advise on a good Thunder Roar and Ravager @heavy mirage macro? Mine is acting strange and sometimes not casting both after double press
sick sentinel
trying again
strong forum
May anyone advise on a good Thunder Roar and Ravager <@275259884273139712> macro...
cant put 2 gcds on the same macro
nocturne spindle
I qued into a nelth lair as paladin today and could barely bring myself to do it...
is there something were super good at in NL? i feel like the bleed just always hurts but never notice basically the rest of the dungeon lol
chilly brook
is there something were super good at in NL? i feel like the bleed just always h...
I mean you can reflect last boss
upbeat magnet
whats best item i should aim to get crafted in this new season..like equivalent to the lariat
nocturne spindle
shield go brr
if you mean embellishment
shadowflame patch is best but nothing lariat level
upbeat magnet
if you mean embellishment
yea thats the word i was looking for
unborn hare
What's the min stats for breaking into m+
dusky canopy
You need about 350 stats
unborn hare
Well unga bunga Bois I'm going in
ionic fern
Well unga bunga Bois I'm going in
Good luck.
sick sentinel
to be clear, you guys want me to be hitting more like 1 button at a time
warm plinth
Unless it's something+IP, or something+Shield Block or something+Avatar, yes.
sick sentinel
not IP and other stuff that might be non gcd
warm plinth
Instead of just 12345125412342421341241541245124
Make a decision and press the button
sick sentinel
okay, can do, thats something i can work on
warm plinth
Like if you do that, and be more careful about your positioning/learning mechanics, and please god stop heroic leaping 5 yards, you'll be much better. And feel more comfortable.
sick sentinel
mage and priest was upset with me this run, they were saying he probably doesn't even know mechanics hes only 1700
warm plinth
In what dungeon?
sick sentinel
and then they both at the end said i need to learn to tank/tank final boss (i strugglle alot on final boss)
bracken
warm plinth
Oh. So, do you know where the totem spawns?
The fight is actually quite simple broken down.
sick sentinel
but, i just blocked those guys at end, and i looked after and did 68.5k overall and 98% SB this run
warm plinth
You basically have 3 responsibilities as the tank. Sidestep the spawn of the puddle so you don't get a stack. Place the totems in the proper place. Use defensives on decaystrike
sick sentinel
its still low, but its improvement from 5k i was doing
the problem for me on that boss is i always get hit by the green ring no matter what
warm plinth
You don't have to
As soon as he starts the cast for it, you just move to the side like 10 yards
He won't turn
sick sentinel
i know its bad, but ts a mechanic i have alot of trouble with and fear abut
warm plinth
So as soon as you see the corrupting rotcloud cast start, just move away
hallow phoenix
Boss room is a circle. Take him to one "corner" and when he casts the cloud, just hightail it to the opposite end of the room. By the time circle is closing in on you the totem will have spawned where the boss initially was, so you go back to that spot. Repeat
warm plinth
And give it plenty of room because the cloud is gonna increase in size in the first couple seconds.
sick sentinel
we did + the key, i think some of the guys was KSM they said, dunno how heavily that factored into us winning
warm plinth
KSM players at that level can have a lot of superiority they don't deserve tbh
KSM means jack shit at this point of the game
sick sentinel
yeah, well, you aren't wrong
warm plinth
I don't do what Tusks said but I can show you a clip of me doing the boss if it would help. I'm a prot paladin but the same thing applies.
I basically just kite the boss 10 yards ahead of the cloud. HIs strat is probably better so I'll likely try that next time.
sick sentinel
and, further more, if your getting loot for 20's why not for if you get 2500 or 3k, probably 3k, you get a flying dragon mount, premium mount however you say it
cuz you get the ground mount first and then you get the flying
warm plinth
My aim is basically to get it to spawn right behind the cloud so that you have max time to DPS it.
sick sentinel
everyone wants a flying not ground
hallow phoenix
@warm plinth for second totem you have to move before the cloud reaches you, but only about 90 degrees. So it's really
- start boss at any point at edge of room.
- Cloud spawns
- Move boss 180 degrees to opposite side of room.
- Totem spawns at 1, so go back to it.
- Cloud is approaching so move 90 degrees to next closest "corner".
- Totem spawns opposite side of room. Kill it and repeat from step 2
Can think of room a square too if that helps
warm plinth
Yeah that makes sense
My thought was always that bigger movements make it harder for the melee to stay on the boss
Maybe the room is just small enough that it doesn't matter
hallow phoenix
Very small room
And makes the cloud a joke, and the totem spawns very predictable for everyone
sick sentinel
it usually takes about 2 hours for one of these videos to upload to YT for me
frozen rose
any real survival benefit from using Ominous Chromatic Essence? like in a tank buster boss fight, or...negligible.
real minnow
which shield should i use in m+? primal molten defender or Shadowed Impact Buckler
crude notch
primal molten defender
uncut thunder
cant put 2 gcds on the same macro
Strange. I feel like this macro works a decent amount of the time but not others - #showtooltip
/castsequence [@heavy mirage]reset=57 Thunderous Roar, Ravager
warm plinth
It should work, yes. Why 57 seconds though?
urban portal
probably just 60-some leeway
warm plinth
Oh for when you're using Uproar I guess
toxic pewter
smh
sick sentinel
still not worth hitting
ever
well...... nope.... thats too far...... but.. pretty close.....
legit have not on purpose clicked activated defensive stance sinc HOV was a thing
dire sparrow
it's good for some of the mythic fights for quick dancing
crude notch
I'm convinced they do baby changes like this anymore just to spend a day or two watching class discords put up with overreaction
dire sparrow
like rashok
sick sentinel
new idea, battle stance is default, beserker or defensive stance, if talented into is 2/3 minute cooldown that dues.... stuff... for 20 seconds.
violet flume
should make battle stance reduce damage instead
i guess it makes def stance a little better at mitigating when you need it as a "cooldown"
uncut thunder
I’ll take it but just another kinda personal for big hits seems silly buff.
dire sparrow
it's also very good for the dot damage on Zskarn
uncut thunder
probably just 60-some leeway
Think I should adjust that? Maybe why it only works some of the time of one of the two is on CD or something.
sick sentinel
should make battle stance reduce damage instead
sure, and then if you activate d-stance for 20 seconds, you get 20% dr and self heal over time (minor)
crude notch
They got real mad at us memeing the repetitive 8% buff to BDK.
dire sparrow
i'll take it, it's better than a meaningless buff to something like thunderlord, at least d stance has some uses on prog
cinder storm
war good = bad. PI = bad. Just community things
crude notch
What
cinder storm
I'm saying Blizz relies too much on what the community says at time, if X class seems better than other, even when it's not or other classes are also good, they will make those changes as needed when needed
We will keep getting small incremental changes, slowly and steady before regular players realize it, instead of getting one good buff or two
dire sparrow
we're not in a really bad spot though?
cinder storm
No, we are not
warm plinth
Think I should adjust that? Maybe why it only works some of the time of one of t...
You could try doing like... reset=target/57? But that still wouldn't really help with bosses unless you have targets to swap to. You can also put like reset=57/ctrl and it'll reset when you press ctrl (can use alt/shift as well)
dire sparrow
i'm suprised we got anything tbh
cinder storm
I would argue healers are weak by design right now
sick sentinel
most tanks get a chance to shine in expansion
cinder storm
For a few weeks
dire sparrow
and atm with the new affixes paladin gets to shine because they can do it all
cinder storm
I've yet to see brew stonks rise up for a whole season
dire sparrow
brew is just digusting to play atm compared to SL
sick sentinel
fun wise or actually good at the game wise
dire sparrow
fun
sick sentinel
cuz, in shadow lands i fucking loved the NF stomp thingy
dire sparrow
they are good, but my god i was already struggling with keybinds in SOFO
yeah
SL brew was amazing
sick sentinel
something about it all just really clicked for me
sick sentinel
but then i went to do LFR, and they seen me, and they knew some shit was gunna happen if i tanked that raid, and i also knew
and so, i benched him forever now
dire sparrow
lots of tanks had to switch to brew this tier because of the state of WW
crude notch
I've yet to see brew stonks rise up for a whole season
Then you weren't around for S3 BfA
maiden ravine
I'm amused they really want prot to press dstance sometimes
sick sentinel
crude notch
They gave them back part of the DR they took when they took it from all tanks
cinder storm
Then you weren't around for S3 BfA
That was also short lived no?
sick sentinel
also wanted to emphasize that this was the character that i almost tanked lfr on
so, i could see the raids concern
dire sparrow
brew was decent for almost all of SL?
crude notch
That was also short lived no?
If my short lived you mean the most popular tank for the season yes
If by short lived you mean double brew being used in almost every raid boss all of BfA sure.
dire sparrow
yeah
maiden ravine
SL swapped best tank in keys every season except s4
dire sparrow
SL was insane for brew
cinder storm
Well, I'm talking about m+, for sure brew was always in raid, they were insane
sick sentinel
im not smart enough to play monk
sick sentinel
its got way too high of a skill ceiling for me to play monk as anything
maiden ravine
BrM was good, but it wasn't VDH in season 1, bear in 2, or DK in 3/4
crude notch
uh
cinder storm
I know, not disagreeing, just forgot about brew back in BfA, andy was the only one I was watching back then and I wasnt putting much attention to meta tbh
crude notch
maiden ravine
oh sweet, I remembered the order correctly!
What happened in BfA s3 that made monk jump up? I forget what happened there. Was it an azerite power that got buffed a ton?
sick sentinel
at end of that key im a bit toxic and blocked those 2 dudes talking crap
crude notch
What happened in BfA s3 that made monk jump up? I forget what happened there. Wa...
Bug
dire sparrow
ohh sorry
cinder storm
that one S4 SL druid, 
dire sparrow
yeah
crude notch
tier sets
dire sparrow
mb
maiden ravine
what was the bug?
sick sentinel
i think BFA was alot better than people gave it credit for
maiden ravine
I know S4 BfA was all about warrior and corruptions of course.
sick sentinel
there was a fuck load of ppl playing bfa
maiden ravine
BfA ended pretty well once you could skip trash every dungeon and corruptions were flashy and fun
First 3 seasons were absolute trash tier though for m+
dire sparrow
yeah final patch of bfa was super fun
maiden ravine
I quit in BfA from early s1 until just before season 4
sick sentinel
lots to do, and no shortage of players
maiden ravine
I don't think I did even 10s that season.
cinder storm
Azshara emissaries were one of the worst seasonal affix if not the worst
sick sentinel
only when they put THREE in the very beginning of under rot
maiden ravine
s1 was pretty bad too I hear. I never did a key high enough for it
sick sentinel
3 of the girls that they cast the spell twice its garunteed wipe or soft wipe
cinder storm
I was too green on s1 to remember anything bad, but people told me it was bad
crude notch
prideful 😆
cinder storm
I was just cruising and having fun
maiden ravine
I just hated bfa dungeons so much, still do.
maiden ravine
Underrot is probably my least favorite key this season and Freehold is right behind. Freehold I just hate the randomness of the damage.
Halls is my weakest key but I don't hate it
sick sentinel
no way, i love under rot but im saving it for last
cuz i know its easy mode extreme
cinder storm
Temple of Sethraliss Teeming week + the void emissary + 6 dust spirits after 2nd boss, that only lasted a few hours but that was really bad
maiden ravine
I'm a healer main so Underrot is just pain from idiots standing in everything and no one knowing what to kick
"Oh, I didn't think the first boss did any damage!"
BOI YOU STOOD IN THINGS
crude notch
there's only one thing to kick on first boss, so uh
maiden ravine
The kicks are more those stupid worms
sick sentinel
my friend would call temple of sethralis and i quote "king cobra (3 letter racist term)"
maiden ravine
First boss is just people getting one shot
cinder storm
UR sucks for healers, not much you can do if your dps dont know what to do
sick sentinel
and i was like really bro
maiden ravine
I'm apparently not racist enough to know of a 3 letter word that fits that dungeon and I'm thankful for that.
viral elk
Okay
cinder storm
I liked bfa because routes had several iterations during the seasons and that was interesting to see how things changed out of necessity and knowledge
maiden ravine
is there a key level you guys are even using dstance?
sick sentinel
never ever
cinder storm
lol no
maiden ravine
that's what I thought
sick sentinel
20% on its own and losing + dmg
isn't worth it
when you can just, not stand in shit, or get healed or dispelled anyway
viral elk
I turn it on every now and then to smooth out damage or for a tank buster.
sick sentinel
the problem with defensive stance, is a blizzard problem there is no hyrjas to warrant hitting it that do a blast of 500k magic dmg
that you cant already DR some other way
or move out of
or be healed dispell
crude notch
what was the bug?
goto orbs weren't spawning off of 100% max hp but some arbitrary ilvl formula number that was basically doubling spawn rate.
maiden ravine
ah
sullen gust
is there a key level you guys are even using dstance?
I find it's just a nice safty net, like if I'm in neltharus on a high key and taking lots of blazing slashes or vortex pinnacle that last pack, quite often my dps aren't quite up to the key and the pull lasts a lot longer than I would expect it to. After the 8s of shield wall and 30s spell block either I have to take my splinter and waste a trinket for defense or flip to Dstance and reflect till things come back off CD. Saves my bacon more than I'd like. Plus it doesn't matter if my damage drops if it costs me a death, I'd rather ride the wave with extra defense (at least with the spooky packs). I usually run 17-19s so I guess around there for sure it has some utility.
cinder storm
I will sound toxic but honestly I don't know another way to say this, but 17s-19s are not high keys, I can do 17s on my 429 war
With how easy gear acquisition is now, high keys start after 22
warm plinth
Yeah I wouldn't be using def stance in 19s
cinder storm
I find it's just a nice safty net, like if I'm in neltharus on a high key and ta...
Try to push yourself to 20s+, I was trying to farm some aspect and theres people with 1200-1700 io with 17s-18s keys, that key range is sus right now
crude notch
The definition of "high keys" really should be left to the individual and not the conglomerate
crude notch
It's like the "casual" vs. "hardcore" debate.
Everyone below me is casual everyone ahead of me is hardcore
crude notch
High key is whatever is high to someone else.
To Andy, Naowh, etc. a 20-23 isn't a high key
nocturne spindle
I mean you can define high keys based on % of player base doing them
crude notch
To the guy who's doing a few keys a week but just learning the game a 15 can be a high key.
sick sentinel
i probably got like + 20 io out of this key
pretty close was like 1754 now 1778, i'll get 2k soon enough
crude notch
I mean you can define high keys based on % of player base doing them
What % of the playerbase are we basing this off of?
sick sentinel
its only 2k i need not 2.5k like shadowlands right
crude notch
Also, are we basing it off of playerbase or people that have done a key
sick sentinel
i guess soi, smaller dungeon pool
crude notch
All 20s (2720) is top 4.6% of anyone that's done a key.
All 15s (2160) is top 19.1% of anyone that's done a key.
Even all +10s is 34.4% of anyone.
sick sentinel
if you strapped a bomb to my chest and told me to run a +20 and time it, or id die to bomb theres a 50% chance i could time that key
nocturne spindle
Easier to just go off of "all x level"
sick sentinel
i wouldnt want to run it probably but i could maybe do it
nocturne spindle
Then you just decide is high top 10% top 5% etc etc
nocturne spindle
That's the part that probably need community decisions
crude notch
what's "high"
But that's like the community decided who's rich and who isn't.
When 99.9% of the community isn't going to be rich.
So reality is we all suck and we all should feel bad
(:
And we should shit on anyone that calls a +19 high.
sick sentinel
i dunno what if any options leather and cloth and mail users have to repair gear for free, but thats a gigantic hurdle is repair bills
crude notch
10.1.5's best feature for me rn is the ability to move my gold around from server to server
cinder storm
Eh, You have a good argument but this season is different in that regard, anyone that's willing can gear up quite fast and just doing your regular and proper rotation can time you a 20, assuming everyone has a decent to small understanding
crude notch
I don't care about anything else.
sick sentinel
pretty much garuntees you need to have a gold farm, or wow tokens up to 1k gold repair alone before your like 100-200gold worth of consumable (phial, food, rune etc)
crude notch
Eh, You have a good argument but this season is different in that regard, anyon...
Except that isn't true because 4.6% of the population has times all 20s.
crude notch
A high key should NOT be defined by the community
It should be defined by the person doing it.
sick sentinel
isn't that like a botters paradise? trade anything to anyone, or i guess its only mage food
cuz i guess its gold now too
crude notch
It's perfect for collecting for boosts. @warm plinth could you imagine.
The stupid payouts system would've been so much easier.
in phoenix/gallywix
cinder storm
I need to marry a goblin in wow, I can't grasp my head how people make and have the patience of making money outside of sales
crude notch
All my mons is from sales lol
sick sentinel
fun fact i have never ever paid real money or gold to run a key
crude notch
Down to 11 milly though D:
cinder storm
Gash is like "just have your 20th alt do this" bruh, I barely have gold for my second alt ffs
crude notch
why are target dummys so scuffed man, this shit keeps dropping combat
cinder storm
I know a guy that has characters named from A-Z and plays all of them
crude notch
I'm up to 23 70s. 
toxic pewter
just lost 200k roll gambling in a raid i was in
cinder storm
Sucks to suck
cinder storm
Buy high sell low
toxic pewter
is it in bad taste to leave a guild after finding out they kinda suck at raiding
crude notch
They're arguing about who's tankier rn blood or brew in acherus, surely it's blood, right?
toxic pewter
i mean imo prob blood
crude notch
is it in bad taste to leave a guild after finding out they kinda suck at raiding
If goals don't match I'd say it's better to get out because the longer it stays the more jaded you get.
toxic pewter
yah good point
crude notch
Goals in this case being "being good"
cinder storm
Why don't you sit and explain them how to get better
toxic pewter
Lol
crude notch
lmao
crude notch
cinder storm
LMAO
crude notch
You're big on the ceasing any and all actions there apb
toxic pewter
yes
it is sort of my catchphrase
my biggest issue was the other vdh i kept ripping aggro from him and of course he got a bit heated
but my beacon just slams
and its the opener... just let me have the boss lmao
that actually kinda happening this vdh hunts in and then bam i beacon and he get all pissy
lmao
crude notch
should be defacto, whoever has beacon gets boss first, if both have beacon whoever gets crit.
toxic pewter
i gotta get my beacon on cd bro
yeah exactly
he didnt have one
the tank chemistry is just off and I cannot continue
crude notch
I was blessed to have a Peak of Serenity mod as my co-tank for 8 years, so I don't think I can ever raid tank again because I've never known bad tank chemistry.
cinder storm
the tank chemistry is just off and I cannot continue
"its not you its me"
cinder storm
nah it's 100% you
warm plinth
It's perfect for collecting for boosts. <@255696891000389633> could you imagine.
That would've been the shit
toxic pewter
does blizzard tune prot warr as if we are in defensive stance all the time or how do they even incorporate stances into tuning anyway
theyve nevr actually stated it probably right
warm plinth
Well, considering how strong we are outside of it, I'd imagine they're at least accidentally tuning based on us not being in it.
toxic pewter
i wonder if they are happy with how stances are playing out
crude notch
prob not
toxic pewter
oh ya
crude notch
That tuning proved they're aware that PWar doesn't just sit in DStance
But also,
Yeah DStance should just be baked into Vanguard
toxic pewter
yeah I wont lie, I feel like they should just meet in the middle of the stances and just remove them
warm plinth
The only time stances "made sense" is when you needed to be in a certain stance to use certain spells
And that was basically creating a problem so stances could be the solution
And a bad one at that
toxic pewter
do you guys think warrior is due for a rework similar to paladin or are we just good/fine
nocturne spindle
I mean id rather have stances than meet in the middle
Free tank buster defensive and you get more damage the rest of it
Idk I like it, it's just like an on demand low defensive
toxic pewter
I see your point but I just find it annoying at this point
nocturne spindle
But why is it more annoying than our other defensive?
Just the one extra button press?
warm plinth
Because you lose damage to press it
crude notch
Because of what it's design purpose is
warm plinth
It's a sacrifice of offense for defense
Other defensives still give us defense. And Demo shout goes one further and gives us both
Same with Last Stand w/ the new tier
nocturne spindle
But it's also a no cool down defensive
toxic pewter
yeah but we lose sweet, sweet dam
nocturne spindle
Idk the 3 seconds you have it up for a tank buster or fuck up moment just never bothered me
toxic pewter
What it comes down to is it just feels bad to press it even though blizzard is trying to make it feel good. The problem is it will never feel good.
crude notch
It just bugs me because what it's meant to be from blizzard's end is unclear
toxic pewter
its like meangirls, defensive stance is not going to happen
violet flume
i bet blizzard's view on def stance is for it to be used 24/7
prob views people using battle stance as tryhards
nocturne spindle
I mean no because if that was their intent it wouldn't exist?
sick sentinel
why dont we have a karen the movie yet
violet flume
TECHNICALLY i guess the tradeoff could be more revenge less ignore pains
vs 0 revnege all out ignore pain
crude notch
Reality is they probably don't view it from what it means to prot, but what it means to the dps specs
And Prot just gets to deal with it
violet flume
ngl when i looked at prot war i thought revenge costing rage was awful because i had to choose between a smooth rotation and maximum survivability by using all rage on ignore pain
warm plinth
Yeah I mean, we have Revenge vs IP. Bear has Maul/Raze vs Ironfur. Paladin, lul. BDK, lul. VDH, nope. Brew, nope.
violet flume
still kinda feel revenge costing rage feels dumb at this point, do people even really spam ignore pain and cast 0 revenges in high damage scenarios?
nocturne spindle
I mean you can't put pally and blood together. Pally is lul and bdk is just oops no damage
warm plinth
I'm comparing them based on whether they sacrifice damage for survival
crude notch
I mean you can't put pally and blood together. Pally is lul and bdk is just oops...
That goalpost just left the damn stadium
warm plinth
None of the last 4 have to sacrifice one for the other.
nocturne spindle
That goalpost just left the damn stadium
It wasn't an actual argument just a joke
violet flume
paladin i guess if you never use holy power on word of glory it means youre using it on damage only lul
not really a tradeoff
crude notch
I'm just meme'ing bro i swear
violet flume
to have a true tradeoff prot pal would need a high damage holy power that has no defensive value
nocturne spindle
It's okay I know no warrior has any braincells except nome. Me included
sick sentinel
he quit for diablo
toxic pewter
ill have u no that i got a cell phone so i dun no wat u talk bout
warm plinth
Well, you're using it on shield of the righteous, which is also your main defensive ability (besides consecration)
Right, sorry just read your followup
crude notch
REEEEE why are my debuffs sitting in the middle of my bars
nocturne spindle
Your braincell was focused on arguing and you fucked up your ui
crude notch
oh honey, you're giving me too much credit i invest nothing into arguing
toxic pewter
i m very power full
crude notch
"Within the scale of the universe, you are nothing."
crude notch
Imma say it
Cauterize should be in the class tree for mages
don't at me
am I an ass for stealing this on a toon that will probably never use it because mage.
crude notch
I'm saving it for trade fodder since we did Kazz, Echo, Sark
daring marlin
scum
crude notch
sugma
cinder marsh
its not cross server
crude notch
i'm not sure if that's a question or not, but no you cannot do it cross server
crude notch
better off spamming trade chat
cinder marsh
been doing that for 2 hours straight
was going to buy teh frostfire belt cause im maxed on belts and that shit is like 400,000 gold
like hell nah
analog horizon
is the frostfire belt worth making over shadow flame or wrists
fresh igloo
Frostfire + shadowflame is a winner if you have eranog ring still iirc.
Otherwise it's shadowflame x2
maiden ravine
will that still be true in 2.5 weeks when Eranog is nerfeD?
crude notch
If you still have the option to choose between those (haven't crafted anything yet), I'd go shadowflamex2 with eranog nerf coming.
daring marlin
If you still have the option to choose between those (haven't crafted anything y...
nerfing eranog ring too? yuge
crude notch
yep 25%
daring marlin
fucking good
pallid quiver
That being said, it's not like Frostfire without eranog is bad, since it got buffed coming into this patch (unless they nerfed it since I last checked)
so if you're like deciding to swap off, that can influence you, but there should be enough sparks in play that it's not a huge concern
analog horizon
yeah ill prob just go 2 shadowflame ig
fresh igloo
shadowflame x2 is the ez-gud call rn.
hallow phoenix
Sometimes double shadowflame goes nuts and is 8% of my damage on a boss
errant bone
crude notch
that's a user error somewhere then because it works for everyone else
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acoustic cosmos
Would replacing TD with Sac here kill my hpal? (assuming I have Spell Block running)
Also could replace Sac with Brackenhide trinket which may be a better option
acoustic cosmos
But if u have spell block u have 0 need for externals
got it thanks
frozen rose
Can Ominous Chromatic Essence trink be considered a defensive trinket in any reasonable way? or...na its essentially just aoe dps trink
crude notch
Well it's stats for one and for two if other people in your group have it it helps things die faster so also defensive
mighty valley
when people think "defensive trinket" they're usually talking about an on-use sort of thing that you can use as an extra CD
stat trinkets are just all rounders
frozen rose
yeah i gotcha. i guess ...im trying to wrap my head around if i'll actually notice a survivability difference using it in raid lol
im leaning towards no
im not basing that on any factual numbers lol
warm plinth
You are not going to notice a survivability difference from it, no. No more than you notice it from a ring upgrade or whatever
Our survivability is 99% gameplay, 1% external healing (for things like M Experiments and M Zskarn)
pallid quiver
and 100% actually wearing gear that's not broken
keen tendon
Hey guys, trying to figure which combo of trinks i should use. I have Beacon to the beyond, Zaqali Chaos Grapnel, Omnious Chromatic Ess and Ward of the faceless ire. Any help would be much appreciated. 🙂
median tulip
For what content?
keen tendon
Raid and M+
median tulip
How many of your raid team also have the OCE?
keen tendon
i think 3-4 currently have the essence rn.
median tulip
If you can finesse it so that there's a range of different flights then the OCE is probably a lock in
keen tendon
Ok, thank, ill have a chat to team and see what flights they are currently using. Thanks. 🙂
median tulip
BttB is good but suffers because of the cast time; it's easier to use in raid than 5-man/1-tank content
keen tendon
Ahh fair
ill mess arouund with what i have and fine tune to my playstyle, thanks @median tulip
vocal nimbus
beacon always yo
warm plinth
Yeah definitely don't feel bad about using beacon @keen tendon. We stack haste and the cast time is hasted. You can literally use it in the space of a GCD.
My paladin has 34.5% haste and hers is about a 1.4 second cast. Geared warriors have 40-50% w/ ItF stacks.
keen tendon
Hey thanks for that, i've got the raid team split with OCE and started using that, we also cleared Hsark tonight with the chages. 😛 probably wasnt that but still haha.
hardy snow
does beacon casts works similar to griefotrch, that we cant block during it?
sick sentinel
yeah, im with this guy, if i have to target a ground location and channel, fuck it, i dont want it
more headache than its worth
on a dps, especially if its xaster dps if they can get that trinket, id use it
mellow bridge
does beacon casts works similar to griefotrch, that we cant block during it?
yes
cant block/parry/dodge
so it can be very dangerous to use at times
sick sentinel
yeah, then i dont want it lol
mellow bridge
yeah, im with this guy, if i have to target a ground location and channel, fuck...
that's not how the trinket works
you just need a target
🤷♂️
sick sentinel
only would equip and use it cuz ilvl or big damage
not cuz i wanted to equip it
greif totem was you have to select area on the ground and then channel and then wait for the shit to travel and pray they are in the hit box when it lands
hardy snow
so it can be very dangerous to use at times
sick sentinel
and i hated it as soon as i got it
mellow bridge
but that's not how grieftorch worked either yogi lmao
both of these trinkets just shoot at your target
sick sentinel
you could be right, i dunno i never did like it when i got it for some reason,
i think its, i've never really played channeling classes and so i hate most channeling spells classes. something about you are trying to cast a 3 minute CD and then like, your locked in to doing only that, or you lose part/all of your 3 minute CD, doesn't even have to be a CD, arcane missile as example., diviine hymn for priessts being the 3 minute cooldown example. i was thinking of
am not wizard personally, can't do it lol
terse gate
hello
can anyone tell me what's better stat for more damage as prot warrior
and why must of ppl make the mastery high
warm plinth
Sim it. Generally we want ilevel>haste>crit=vers>mastery
pallid quiver
Crit's usually the best stat for damage if you don't have like, any stat whatsoever, but you should just sim damage questions, since having more of one stat makes others more valuable for damage
sick sentinel
crit is slightly better for mythic + parries and such, vers is slightly batter for single target raid boss type,
but you want haste before that in general, and strength before that, which the easiest way to get more str is increase somethings ilvl
lament zealot
Defensive Stance increased to 20% damage reduction (was 15%)
They undid our nerf from season 1
And everyone plays in battle stance anyways
terse gate
ohh great, and about the mastery i have to make it like 15~20 will be good for m+?
now its like 16%
sick sentinel
battle stance grants 2 things
defensive only grants 1
thats only 1/4 of the issue
lament zealot
What are the other 3/4? I think Prot War is in a good spot right now?
sick sentinel
because, you actively chose to give up a damage buff, and not enough abilities hit hard enough to warrant it is 2 of them
fallow fern
Most actually run battle? I still use defensive.. the damage reduction isn't worth it?
sick sentinel
if there was a hyrja light blast or whatever its called, that hits me for 400+k when i have 700k hp buffed
that i don't really have anothe way to deal with
fallow fern
Do you change back and forth, or just straight run battle?
sick sentinel
nope, imagine you have something on your car and when you activate it until you turn it off again, you drive 15% or 20% slower in all circumstances.
thats effectively what you are doing by hitting it, because it mea ns you do X% less dmg, boss dies slower, does more casts. you do the key faster
lament zealot
Do you change back and forth, or just straight run battle?
If you can survive without it you go bstance
sick sentinel
less threat is another one, because threat is in part tied to damage
forest fern
just treat it like a cooldown and not a "stance" and you'll be fine
"i'm getting owned, better pop shield wall"
that mentality except replace shield wall with defensive stance, its like an extra cooldown mindset sort of thing now
chilly brook
Do you change back and forth, or just straight run battle?
Back and forth kind of
It’s just on demand wall
fallow fern
Hmm good point, gonna try this.. already have a one button macro to change back and forth..
sick sentinel
you aren't actually wrong for using it, but its considered a noob move now
chilly brook
For however long you need it
chilly brook
you aren't actually wrong for using it, but its considered a noob move now
I mean you are if you sit in it
There’s no need to sit in it
forest fern
yeah definitely don't just ignore its existence, it does help when things are problematic, or about to be
chilly brook
Hmm good point, gonna try this.. already have a one button macro to change back ...
Iirc there’s one in the pins
sick sentinel
sometimes i accidently leave it on for a few minutes
might be present in my youtube videos
forest fern
forgetting for a bit isn't going to be the end of the world i wouldn't be that concerned about it
lament zealot
You can easily run 20s in bstance
forest fern
yes its more damage for your group but its 10% and 10% of a tanks damage, a couple minutes won't mean anything, the whole run though yes
sick sentinel
if there is no direct threat to you, enter battle stance, enter defensive stance if you are just learning the content maytbe
chilly brook
Tank damage isn’t insignificant
forest fern
true but its also at the same time not insanely impactful. Over a long period of time yes, short term no
chilly brook
I don’t really agree with not being insanely impactful
lament zealot
Yeah I can do 85-90k overall most dungeons. That's okay DMG throughout
chilly brook
It’s just bad play to not switch it off if you don’t need it
fallow fern
When you sim on raidbots, what stance does it use.. don't see an option to select it..
chilly brook
Battle stance
forest fern
i'm not saying not to switch it off when you don't need it, i'm just saying you're not going to break someones key to pieces with a minute or two of total usuage and entire run. If you are the dps that are there probably weren't good enough
chilly brook
A minute or two of total usage sure maybe but leaving it and forgetting for minutes at a time is not the play
That’s a lot of damage on the table
Assuming you could average 100k overall
lament zealot
Eh. Some huge aoe pulls if you are able to stance in bstance that's a lot of DPS loss in distance. When you're pulling 200k dps
forest fern
well yeah that's what weakaura warning are for. Make one that says in big text "hey dumass, def stance is on" at the top of your screen and you're good to go
fallow fern
So when would you hit defensive stance.. any examples? ..like a big big pull? Or.. just certain abilities?
lament zealot
Both
forest fern
its prob more of a tyrannical boss ability type of thing than on trash i would think
chilly brook
It depends
forest fern
or on trash maybe like the flame slash dudes in the start of nelth for example
chilly brook
You’d use it on trash
But for specific mobs and abilities
Dragon breath in Halls would potentially be a good use for example
From my understanding they kinda truck
daring marlin
just walk away 5head
daring marlin
Get leggo yet?
chilly brook
No
forest fern
don't you mean "gold" the weapon lol
daring marlin
Better delete and level a new one
forest fern
get the item, spend a shit load of gold, legendary achieved
chilly brook
I mean even though it’s not cheap to craft
It’s still a cool way to acquire it
Makes professions actually feel more impactful even if it’s just an artificial sink
forest fern
eh, i would have preferred you to have to travel the timeways gaining hard to get materials to build it up
like the handle is made of galakrond poop or something, always need that poop collection quest in an expansion 🙂
chilly brook
fallow fern
I have been doing fine in keys up till now, but realizing I might be playing with a broken spec since I don't have violent outburst... Questions:
- Does everyone run violent outburst? And..
- I read this on method, "your Violent Outburst procs should ALWAYS be spent on Shield Slam." ...is this the case even in AOE? Is it ever better to use on Thunder Clap?
forest fern
i think with testing you need over like 8 targets to use it on TC, but i read this a while ago i may be wrong
and at that amount that almost means yes its only shield slam. The biggest benefit i think is more the extra rage from SS over TC from it than the damage
I mean its a ton of damage but that added extra benefit just makes its use on SS so much higher
pallid quiver
"One tapped through fort brew"
i don't know why that makes me laugh
and just
the entire post
just makes me laugh
strong forum
ngl i dont know what these "tests" are supposed to show
except for "the tank that has good self healing and the longest CDs lives the longest"
sick sentinel
why paladin not on that list
hazy bronze
Shows feels.
I wish I could feel nom
daring marlin
He said pally lasted as long as warrior
strong forum
I wish I could feel nom <:sadge:820202363359854633>
😳
sick sentinel
fren bopper 2000
daring marlin
do it
you won't
Fire paladin yogi
Radiant damage is fire/holy bro
It'll fit your mog theme
daring marlin
burn your enemies in righteous fire
sick sentinel
i should look at other characters to play..... but meh, i'd get bored and go back to warrior anyway
daring marlin
you never know
I just spooked this DK tank in NL
cuz I taunted last boss and reflected molten
yogi now is the time to level different characters anyway
crude notch
Based
uneven mason
11 hours for a fresh toon
faster if you got osmeone to be janky with the level sync (which might be an exploit?)
crude notch
11 hours what the slow.
cinder storm
I'm thinking on leveling a heals, or get an int weap for my pala, I'm thinking either evoker or druid
chilly brook
Yeah but when judgement set refresh
daring marlin
Yeah but when judgement set refresh
It went to Priest this tier.
crude notch
Priest set is so baller.
strong forum
yeah
sick sentinel
im using forgestorm atm
on raid
i always forget people talk about raids here too
i mostly do m+
and only clear on hc
so i think crafting weapon would make sense
pog storm is good for mythic +
if you have it
I do
is it as high as what you could craft? 447 or 437?
447
hero
also, I have 34% crit
isnt that way too much
without runes
without anything just basic bstance
= or better ilvl forgestorm in keys
never drop ilvl
only trinkets you can really do that
for trinkets i have talisman and mark of Dargrul
but this is still confusing a little
i feel like it's way too much crit
mighty valley
why, crit is good
sick sentinel
well how much do you have ?
prisma obsidian
40
sick sentinel
wtf
junior brook
also sitting on 38
mighty valley
i've barely played this patch so i'm only 430 ilvl
so i have less crit than i'd like lmao
sick sentinel
this one is me
what keys are you doing ?
like what lvl
14 atm for io, i have to do 16s but i cant get into 16's atm, get shit talked in 14s lol
deservedly, if this channel said anything
mighty valley
i think ideally you'd start finding sources of haste
sick sentinel
thought of dropping the crit on crafted weapon but if i see people have just as much xd
mighty valley
but it's ultimately not that big a deal
sick sentinel
i dont feel so out of place then
mighty valley
crit is best in keys too, where the parry matters
strong forum
i got like 40% crit