protection

[urban bane]

Yep!

[waxen vale]

how did i almost beat the highest 20 parse in the world not knowing that

i guess that says a lot about this spec RN

or no one uplaods

[urban bane]

Because reflect dam I think is excluded from your damage on WCL

[urban portal]

is this m+

[waxen vale]

oh ok

[urban portal]

m+ log isnt real

no one uploads m+ logs

[waxen vale]

didnt know that

[urban bane]

yeah, if you go to WCL it'll show the boss doing damage to itself from reflect but not attribute it to you iirc

[waxen vale]

ah ok so im not that good

why is spell reflect considered. DOT

in details?

[urban bane]

🤷‍♂️

[waxen vale]

forgestorm is like 3 to 5% of my dam in keys thats def more than it was simming for

[urban bane]

i mean also the point about not many people upload logs is pretty true. Nothing wrong with doin it though. Just take m+ parse stuff with a grain of salt.

[waxen vale]

it was saying like 1600 dps i'd gain from forgestorm

turns out its more like double that

i think theres a sim issue with that maybe

[urban portal]

no

because lets say the forge storm effect is like 4K dps (for example)

but the main stat on the weapon was like 2.5K dps

so you only gained 1.5K dps

but on details itll show 4K dps

[waxen vale]

ah ok

so it's really not a huge gain

i'm kind of surprised anyone uses it tbh

in high key

but i see a lot of ppl

[pure goblet]

Does it help to block spells in rashok?

[cinder nova]

Yeah.

Works on the combo

If you time it right you can get it for both combos

I'd send Wall first instead, though, depending on when your group is sending Hope.

[cursive jacinth]

Hey guys out trying to figure out the difference between Ring-Bound Hourglass and Signet of Titanic Insight. I know the signet you can add embellishment on but icy-veins says Ring-bound is suggested. Any idea why? am I missing something. To me they both the exact same if I dont need emblisment slot

[proper roost]

they're the same item

for that purpose yeah

[wet osprey]

do prot warriors just stack haste?

[lunar path]

and verse secondarily

[warm plinth]

Not true. We do not stack vers.

We go for ilevel>haste>crit=vers>mastery

[lunar path]

the guide on method.gg said verse after haste

[warm plinth]

Yeah well, they're wrong XD

[lunar path]

isn't a flat reduction in damage better than a small amount of parry?

[modern brook]

They're both unique equipped so if you need two crafted rings you make the other. Else they're basically the same thing

[warm plinth]

No because vers costs 14% more stats for 1% than crit, and in M+ especially, crit equates to a ton of damage negated, given that most of the damage you take is melees. And damage-wise they're approximately equal.

[modern brook]

Crits also slightly ahead in danage

Due to better scaling and the abundance of crit damage/ on crit procs

[warm plinth]

And in raid you don't give a shit about DR anyway

[toxic pewter]

Gotta love that 900 shadow bolt that now only hits me for 775 LOL

[warm plinth]

huge

[modern brook]

Also yeah tbh if the Dr from vwrwe just doesn't scale high enough to be really impactful the way it was in bfa corruption era

Double downed by melee being the major source of damage in dungeons

And in raid, as mentioned, the Dr isn't needed you have cooldowns for anything threatening

[warm plinth]

yeah, you have xooldowns for anything rhrestening6

[modern brook]

Typing hard.

[warm plinth]

Press buttons harder

[modern brook]

Vwrwe just edged out as a stat imo

[toxic pewter]

Is there any way to figure out damage prevented from parries from a log.. and of that how much was prevented from crit

[urban portal]

more like 114% because each % crit is 1% parry, but each % vers is 0.5% dr

[urban portal]

not really no

i can PROBABLY program something to do it

[warm plinth]

well, yeah from a DR perspective, that's true.

[urban portal]

but its gonna take a while

[warm plinth]

since it's 410 vs 180

[toxic pewter]

I mean in theory can the defensiveness of crit vs verse be math’d out or do I not understand how it works

[urban portal]

its very tough to math out

[toxic pewter]

Ok

[urban portal]

you can rough estimate

[modern brook]

I mean

Yeah that

[urban portal]

very rough

[modern brook]

Rough estimate is easy as hell

30%parry is 30%Dr

[toxic pewter]

Is magic damage the main issue or something

[urban portal]

BUT, you also have to consider how much a hit wouldve done to you if it wouldnt have gotten parried

lets say a hit is 50K

[modern brook]

I mean as you start comparing "things you can't parry" the value of parry drops to 0 so thats also easy

[urban portal]

you block for 30K

so that parry is only 20k HP healed

[toxic pewter]

Interesting

[modern brook]

Ehps is dumb tho

[urban portal]

or rather 20K DR

[modern brook]

Ah that's fair

I mean

[toxic pewter]

So is vers stronger for specs that cannot mitigate melee hits as easy as we can

[urban portal]

no

[toxic pewter]

Ok

[urban portal]

paladin has essentially the same thing for parry

[modern brook]

I feel it's worth clarifying and stressing that verse is not a bad stat

[urban portal]

like exactly the same formula

[warm plinth]

Yes, vers is not a bad stat. But it's not a stack stat either.

[urban portal]

and demon hunter has that retextured version in dodge

[modern brook]

And ultimately the choice between it and crit will come down to personal preference.

But so many people just blindly hammer verse without really understanding the trade offs

[urban portal]

but you can sometimes say that vers is the only thing stopping specs from getting one shot yes

there is an arbitrary key level where DKs need vers to live a hit to blood strike

[toxic pewter]

I actually didnt realize apparently crit and verse are close in damage

Always thought crit was a good bit better damage wise

[urban portal]

well thats why you sim it

[toxic pewter]

Right

[urban portal]

its mainly because not everything is hasted

[warm plinth]

I'll sim your face

gottem

[urban portal]

for example, shield charge

[modern brook]

Crit should be consistently ahead

In a pure damage comparison

[urban portal]

your shield charge itself will do 40k, whether you have 1 haste or 1 million haste

[urban portal]

due to how math works theyll flucuate against each other a bit

[toxic pewter]

I see

[urban portal]

but crit is generally ahead

[toxic pewter]

What was different about verse in bfa

[ionic fern]

Corruption.

[modern brook]

^

[torn gulch]

the sheer quantity of it

you could reach 100%

at 100% vers actually matters

[modern brook]

Turns out when you can comfortably hit 30-40% passive dr, verse was very good

[toxic pewter]

Oh right

🤣

[ionic fern]

Know what was betteR?

Leech corruption.

[modern brook]

Yes

Oh

[ionic fern]

[modern brook]

I was gunna day twilight dev to like 90 corruption

[torn gulch]

blood dk with full td

i've seen a mythic raid with only bdk go to carapace

only with td

[ionic fern]

"Oh, you're playing your class well? Sucks to be you, the guy who doesn't press buttons and dies 50 times in a fight got a lucky TD proc so he's r1 now".

Solid

Design.

[modern brook]

If you were playing well why didn't you get lucky?

[ionic fern]

Good point.

[urban portal]

they should just make PPM more strict

[modern brook]

If you're on the floor for x% of a fight you should be moved to a lower roll priority

That's my hot take

I'm so sick of watching gear to go floor huggers

[urban portal]

the lower the dps the higher the chance for loot

[ionic fern]

Considering tanks are usually the last ones to die.

I agree.

[jagged gust]

Speaking of, just had to basically solo the second and fourth boss of nel

But at least I was rewarded

[warm plinth]

Very nice sir

[proper roost]

gz

[real minnow]

gz gz! another 5 runs yesterday... and fore sure today 5 runs more... (55 without the leaver-keys atm).

[sullen gust]

I have a question about macros for intervene. Is it possible to make a macro such that I can 'use' intervene on the enemy target I am targeting, and have that cast intervene on the player that mob is targeting?
For an example, I could be in 1st boss BH, keep the rogue boss as my primary target (or focus target if that would work) and when he goes to fixate, cast intervene on him and mitigate the fixate. Sorry for long wordy post

[neat blaze]

good morning warriors! I wanted an info if possible, the best enchantment for the chest is waking stats or persistent strength that gives me 375 strength and 111 stamina? I don't understand how 150 strength can be better than 375 strength and 111 stamina but I see that everyone uses waking stats, if you please could you explain

[limpid anchor]

[@targettarget]

So yeah, but why

I mean I guess there’s use

[crude notch]

Full HP bar AND 14k Haste.

Now that's a tank trinket

[jagged pier]

I mean 8 min cd

That like your not gunna proc

[crude notch]

YOU won't because you don't do anything above a +20, but yeah.

[jagged pier]

But ppl will still claim u will

[strong forum]

It's a good cheat, but... It's still a cheat

[remote venture]

But you have to die as an tank?

That is DPS work to do

[sullen gust]

Thank you!

[jagged pier]

Not heard of persistent strength theres only waking and sustained and sustained is less than waking

[hardy snow]

sustained gives 111 strength and 375 stamina, not the opposite 🙂

[strong forum]

If it gave 375 Str that'd be sick as hell

[solemn elk]

Missing stamina 🤡

[strong forum]

how is this such a popular meme already

[twin bramble]

Anyone know what causes a butt pull at 13 from the pats under bridge? Or any tips where to tank them so it doesn’t happen?

[blazing condor]

14k haste

what the

[strong forum]

being too close to the edge

always hug the wall

every single person

[lime urchin]

And for safety you can play them a bit backward so you aren’t standing on the bridge

[crude notch]

just pull through ezpz

[strong forum]

its gonna lose like 7k of that haste due to DR

[crude notch]

right

sandglass gonna be the juice pending the hourglass depletion time

[strong forum]

no clue what any of these are

have not looked at anything

[blazing condor]

yeah i was thinking that. thats just dummy much that goes to waste lol

[strong forum]

to summarize and paraphrase how dreadplates works btw:

• it mitigates dmg after absorbs not before
• a plate only breaks by actual dmg received after the dreadplates and absorbs
• if you 100% absorb dmg, none of the dmg will count towards the dmg needed to break a plate which is why BDK can barely break any of the plates
• its mitigation/ "healing" does not show up anywhere, you need to reverse engineer logs to figure out its value
• each individual plate stacks in how much dmg it absorbs, so with 5 plates you absorb like fucking 30k dmg per damage instance (pseudo aegis)

it can be a ridicilous defensive trinket when you dont take enough dmg to break plates, and it can do uncapped aoe dmg if you take so much dmg that you do break all the plates

which means its a good defensive trinket for us until X key level, and then it turns into a DPS trinket when plates start breaking consistently

[strong forum]

if they want people to get 40% haste from it they need to overbudget it this much

[twin bramble]

Thanks. I meant 14. Pulling through grabs next pack. Are there ranged in at pull, or can I just pull them back to the buildings?

[strong forum]

there are 2 casters in there iirc

need to interrupt em or LoS

[twin bramble]

Thanks!

Or just have pugs not stand in edge of bridge…

[modern brook]

Aoe effects like blizzard are also wonky on and around that bridge

[twin bramble]

So you just pull through and take both packs including big boy?

[neat blaze]

i play in italian and the description says 375 strength and 111 stamina, stupid translators

[hardy snow]

lol seriously? XD
thats how it looks in english, I guess you can report that as its pretty misleading

[sick sentinel]

thats the one i have

[sick sentinel]

i know what you mean and its tricky one to tell why it happens

i think its to do with someone or a pet is too close to the LOS side of that bridge (so the left as you go across) and then things below see and come at you

[waxen frigate]

Italian debuff

[twin bramble]

Thanks!

[sick sentinel]

if you can avoid pulling that pack, absolutely do it, in bfa it pulled in like 1 in 10 keys for me i want to say, hard to tell

didnt save all my BFA footage didnt have a big hard drive to store the footage

[waxen vale]

Has anyone made a spell reflect database

[cinder storm]

Yeah, the goat, Sense

[crystal mauve]

Check the pins yes

[sick sentinel]

i only never printed that off cuz when visit it it displays in dark mode

so i have a feeling it will use more of my toner than it needs to, thus that project has been shelved till i figure out a solution

[cinder storm]

It's not in dark mode for me, maybe it's your browser setting?

[sick sentinel]

probably, then again its a meme too sort of

[cinder storm]

Honestly, I wouldn't put it past you to print it and tape it next to your screen

[sick sentinel]

i'd probably put it in frames

[cinder storm]

Sticky notes actually did the trick at my old office

Weird how I used to laugh at that when I saw people using them, but it actually helps

[waxen vale]

On some of those bosses i wouldnt know when to refl tho

Like frost shock in halls

And sunder cones up so fast in nl

[cinder storm]

Not that I would but if I were to, I'd use a different sticker color for each dungeon and write only the 3 most important things

[sick sentinel]

once i learn what i can and what has to be stunned or kicked, reflected

hard to forget it from that point

until i figure out that i can and should be doing that.....

[waxen vale]

Yea here i was braggung about 94k on dargrul beating one of my dps and not knowing i van refl sunder not doing a single one

I even tried it thinkingsomethinghas to work on this, but i guess i timed it wrong

[jagged pier]

Get little wigs

Has timers for every boss

[waxen vale]

Yea ive had that before i just kind of feel like its cheating 😆

Makes it less exciting to say the least

[strong forum]

[waxen vale]

Bosses shouldn't have predictable timers

Very happy they changef mob cast timings

I get it this is a boomer game tho

[strong forum]

Despite the game being predictable

Most of the players still fail at it

Now imagine throwing it at random at them

[waxen vale]

That's true

Well it would certainly bring the 20 standard back to 15 as it was in bfa

[strong forum]

It was 10 in S1

[waxen vale]

Of df?

[strong forum]

Bfa

[waxen vale]

Ah i jumped in end of bfa

On that note i often wonder am i/ the player base actually better now or is it just easier

[strong forum]

Average player is better

[waxen vale]

And i assume its both but i mean it def feels easier

[cinder storm]

Being able to obtain higher ilvl faster offsets the lack of skill as well

On low keys at least

[strong forum]

There's a reason beyond just classes being better that mage tower is a joke for alot of people

Compared to the first month when it first came out in legion

Back then I actually thought there were alot of mechanics

[sick sentinel]

pyhsics lol

[strong forum]

When now it's just like "OK lmao"

[waxen vale]

I get the sense that in classic raiding was mostly a social/RP experience

[sick sentinel]

im half way afraid to puill near this crap that catches my character again

[vocal verge]

For 2nd boss in NL for max spell reflects. Pop sr right after you pull and then as soon as it’s off cd. 3rd cast you wall. And then sr the next. He also casts the buster right after he comes out of the totem phase.

[strong forum]

Back in classic everybody sucked, nobody had played an mmo before, not everything was known, math wasn't done as much

[waxen vale]

Thanks

[strong forum]

Internet issues, badly and broken Design of classes

[sick sentinel]

i did

[strong forum]

Shit PCs

[sick sentinel]

i was playing runescape back in those days

[waxen vale]

Same but

[strong forum]

Yeah but you can't compare runescape to wow

[sick sentinel]

back when u have to type bananas to sleep in your sleeping bag to sleep to restore energy to mining more

[waxen vale]

Runs escape wasn't group oriented

It was very point and click

Also

[sick sentinel]

i never did ever quest but,i played my share of MMO, some older than wow

[cinder storm]

That's why classic can never be classic again

[strong forum]

Wow was extremely new in terms of how it played for a gigantic part of the playerbase, but for back thens standards wow was considered very soft core compared to other games

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzpfANmZpDA

[strong forum]

People struggled (and still struggle in current classic) to press 1 button repeatedly

[sick sentinel]

runescape is truly truly truly the wild west

anything goes

TBF in wow, part of why i don't press buttons is cuz i played runescape, and then ret pally in 2004 wow

so, i've been trained to click on the target, sometimes hit a button and my character attacks on his own

[strong forum]

Lotta people not used to the idea of hammering 300 buttons for extended periods of time in a thought out order/priority list

[jagged gust]

You mean hunters being able to utilize Agility, int, spirit, spell power, attack power, mana regen AND str wasn't a good idea?

[remote venture]

Press lot of buttons AND avoid stand in the fire. Lot of focus

[crude notch]

At a point once you learn a rotation it should be like a dance, obviously with specs that are reliant on procs this is a little different, but once you get a rotation down it really shouldn't be that tough.

[sick sentinel]

you are CLEARLY forgetting to add, crushing blows, parries, stuns, fears, blocking, as well as resistances and many others im not thinking of currently

[jagged gust]

Ah yes, farming motes for a week straight for shadow resist gear to fight a single boss, definitely miss that shit.

Oh and needing pvp trinkets for fighting bosses because of fear mechanics

[sick sentinel]

resistances didn't have to be like that

the developers intentinally made resistances suck ass and hard to farm

paladin resistances auras could have easily been 30% resist, instead of what it is now, which i imagine, isn't high

[remote venture]

Well, Vanlila Raiding was more the preperad the group and get all the buff before the raid, then raid itself. Molten Core was about to get Fire resistances

[jagged gust]

oh also inherit spell resist chance that cant be reduced to zero, that was always a fun mechanic

[sick sentinel]

well, thats probably for the best

if its shadow magic girl and thats all she does is a whole bunch of shadow spells, and then you resist or DR all of them.... i mean.... gg....

[daring marlin]

Should still be in. Fuck 'em. Melee still has to deal with getting parried.

[sick sentinel]

i remember getting push back on holy light cast bar

cuz i'd be getting meleed

you wanna talk about aids mechanics, holy fuck

by far that and humanoids run away in fear to get more mobs

[daring marlin]

Surely they'll remove bosses parrying

[crude notch]

Kap

[jagged gust]

Actually I legit have no clue, does parry hasting still exist?

[sick sentinel]

not sure, but its discovered recently that DK + warlock curse of attack speed stacks

brings sark melees from 2.0 seconds to 3.0 seconds intervals for melees i want to say

[dusky canopy]

Ahh yes 300 casts of sinster strike and frost bolt

Gaming

[jagged gust]

speaking of bullshit from the past, turns out you can't skip the shadowlands questline if you wait until 70 to start it

[dusky canopy]

That sounds very unfortunate

Outside of RP reasons I’m pretty sure you don’t need to even think about it

[jagged gust]

I just want to farm rares to get a neat mace, but I'm not putting myself through the tedium and awful storyline that is SL ever again

[sick sentinel]

You are going to the shadow realm.

I just activated my trap card to banish you to the shadow realms.

[crude notch]

but i have

[dusky canopy]

“Activated my trap card”

https://tenor.com/view/john-jonah-jameson-lol-laughing-hysterically-laughing-out-loud-funny-gif-17710543

[jagged gust]

https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/277497?flowTrackingId=a5fa9457-d662-4540-a108-7e53764c897a

The Threads of Fate Campaign skip in Shadowlands is no longer available for leveling or max-level characters.

Any characters who have already chosen Threads of Fate prior to Dragonflight will be able to finish it. However, characters who never initiated Threads of Fate will be restricted only to the zone-by-zone Covenant campaign for Shadowlands.

[sick sentinel]

My grandpas deck contains no pathetic cards kiaba.

[daring marlin]

Which mace is that?

[crude notch]

This mus've happened in the last 24 hours

[sick sentinel]

that sucks that you are stuck in shadow lands

[dusky canopy]

The best mace is the 2h one from jailor

[jagged gust]

Chilling Domination Mace https://www.wowhead.com/item=190105/chilling-domination-mace

I just need flamey blue stuff for my outfit

[sick sentinel]

the jailer could have been cool

they had a chance, probably still do cuz fuck all was actually told about him

[daring marlin]

Yo the fuck

[jagged gust]

Was it on a lvl 70? Cuz I tested it out on my 62 warlock and she skipped the whole thing just fine, which is counter to what the blue sticky says

so I dont even know at this point

[daring marlin]

That's sick.

[jagged gust]

I just know my war is fucked

[crude notch]

yes it was a level 70

the post itself was from 4 days ago

so it's new either way

[sick sentinel]

can i still go run torghast to farm out the shoulders

[crude notch]

yes

[sick sentinel]

i only bought a few of the shoulder appearances, as i stopped going to torghast once it wasn't nessecary

i both loved and hated torghast

[jagged gust]

It was fun until it wasnt

[sick sentinel]

if there was no time limits on it YOU HAVE TO DO IT IN A WEEK

it would have been perfect

wasn't easy/fun to do it on, more than 1 character, every week.

[crude notch]

idk bro

Looks like a skill issue

[sick sentinel]

i always did fates and then just ignored most of it

[jagged gust]

He legit has no dialogue when I go to talk to him

fuck me this makes me even more mad lol

[crude notch]

Oh are you talking about going and talking to him AFTER you picked storyline

[orchid mural]

spell reflect it.

u can spell reflect toxic retch as well (3rd boss)

[strong forum]

And molten crash on last boss aswell

[stark saddle]

So im a panda atm, i kinda wanna go zand troll ARe the Loa blessings any good?

[eager knot]

is equiping voice of silent star cape worth even though I would lose 1200+ stamina and ive already reached the softcap(diminishing returns) on haste?

[strong forum]

Only in raid

In m+ it's absolutely worthless, barely procs more than 2 times in a whole dungeon

[eager knot]

alright thanks

[strong forum]

Nothing to write home about

[stark saddle]

I just dunno what race i wanna be, all my mogs look silly on panda so just wanted something besides orc or tauren

[pallid quiver]

but nome

gonk go fast

truly the best racial

[cinder storm]

racials are cosmetic until you are pushing world first, just pick whatever you like

[jagged gust]

tauren has some pretty awful mogs imo, I swapped to female orc instead

[cinder storm]

ztroll is the

[pallid quiver]

Tauren mogs are like entirely determined by your shoulders and then your helm in that order

speaking as someone as a cow for their entire life

[nocturne spindle]

Dwarf racial

[jagged gust]

this is the truth

[nocturne spindle]

Cause fuck bleeds

[stark saddle]

Oh yeah i can go dwarf everything pve is cross faction now right? i just started playing again

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, you just can't queue into dungeon finder and the like cross faction

which, to be fair, isn't really competitive content, so

[stark saddle]

oh snap i can be a fat dude in game too

[mellow bridge]

if you care about playerpower, dwarf is the only race that really matters in m+, nelf and belf have some niche uses but not as good

else just play what you enjoy

[sick sentinel]

hey random question.. any1 know.. is Rashok's tank buster combo something that can be dodged / parried ?

[stark saddle]

Firgured as much its either gonna be either ztroll or troll

[mellow bridge]

no

[sick sentinel]

is ther any way to survive it.. my math has it doing 60m on the 2nd hit.. and im being told you can live throught it

[strong forum]

dont take the 2nd hit

1 fire 1 earth max

[sick sentinel]

not sure why taunting is a problem

[strong forum]

not 2 earth, not 2 fire

[sick sentinel]

i know.. im being flamed for not living if i get hit twice and my OT doesnt taunt

[strong forum]

flame them back

[sick sentinel]

lolol

[strong forum]

for being dumb as hell

[mellow bridge]

i think you could live the phys hit on normal

but that's about it

[sick sentinel]

normal.. yeah its only 500% on normal

[mellow bridge]

yea on normal it's like 5 mil pre mit

can live that

but on any other mode, you just die

[strong forum]

if theyre complaining to YOU about not surviving the mechanic THATS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SURVIVABLE

they need a reality check

[sick sentinel]

heroic is 3000% .. yikes

[mellow bridge]

^

what nome said

[sick sentinel]

ty XD

[stark saddle]

yay panda no more

[jagged pier]

Well u can take double earthen with a crit block

[pallid quiver]

just be lucky

[daring marlin]

mastery stack duhhhhhh

[jagged gust]

#protection message

[toxic pewter]

I’ve always liked mastery

What you guys think of the new cheat death trinket in 10.1.5

[pallid quiver]

we'll start with the fact that it's a cheat death

so you'd have to effectively die first

[crude notch]

good if you're doing content where you die

bad outside of that

[mellow bridge]

it's the best cheat death trinket of the last few expansions

it's insane at what it does

[orchid mural]

tell them to change the warnings in dbm so that they get a big ol' airhorn sound when they have to taunt. ez pz

[thin silo]

Very funny watching people in the wowhead comments insist that dpsers will be chasing it just because of that proc stat value

[stark saddle]

What loa would i want? for ztroll? im mainly gonna be doing M+

[pallid quiver]

Gotta go fast

On a serious note, I don't think any of them have any real impact on your performance from what I remember, so whichever?

[toxic pewter]

I guess the trinket is bad if you die over more than 10 seconds

[stark saddle]

hey movespeed is always fun

[sick sentinel]

love it ty

[stark saddle]

oh im big sad went paku not gonk lmfao

[cinder storm]

but paku gives crit

we love crit

[stark saddle]

but i wanna run fast

[cinder storm]

oh, can't argue with that

[pallid quiver]

see, everyone understands

Gotta go fast

[cinder storm]

[stark saddle]

can i complete the slay sarkaeth quest in lfr?

[toxic pewter]

i think you can actually

[timber terrace]

cheat death trinkets are bad in general because trinkets are a powerful slot and you'd rather use a lower cd trinket that helps you not dying in the first place

[strong forum]

im all for removing all and any kind of cheat death mechanics and immunities in the game

theyre inherently unhealthy for the balancing of content and eligibility of classes with the lack of those

[toxic pewter]

Sounds good to me

[pallid quiver]

that's part of why FF14 gives every one of its tank classes an invincible type skill, from what I remember

and encounter design specifically has points where it's just "use invincible skill here" in it, which is boring to me

[strong forum]

yup

[pallid quiver]

That being said, I do kinda like being able to have additional responses to mechanics, like intentionally throwing invincible people at things, but it's boring at the exact same time

it's honestly really difficult to get to the point that I'd actually like to see mechanics wise where it doesn't just screw with design way too hard

I straight out don't have any ideas for a reasonable implementation, so I'd agree with straight removing them

[strong forum]

its not just boring, to a certain degree its vastly easier to just go "yeah okay this mechanic that should be dealt with in this way can just be immuned cuz we send 1 person to immune it or proc cheat to it"

this way blizz can say "yeah it does aggressivly high dmg, cuz most people will just immune it anway 4head"

[thin silo]

Pre nerf Zskarn bombs

[strong forum]

and in the term of m+, at a certain point those kinds of mechanics are exceedingly promoted instead of just balancing the game

[toxic pewter]

certain dps may even use the trinket in some cases too I guess

[strong forum]

they like cheat death cuz alot of players like cheat death

[tardy sequoia]

How’s possible that, 3 out of 3 uldaman runs this morning have failed because we wiped at the third boss’ aoe cast????

[strong forum]

it hurty

tyr is insanely hard this season

like stupidly hard

[toxic pewter]

people are lazy and want crutch

[strong forum]

youll see most tyr keys cap out at 25/26

[toxic pewter]

perhaps

[strong forum]

when fort keys will got to 27/28

[tardy sequoia]

I’m talking about a 16, that should not be a problem at all

[strong forum]

thats people stacking ontop of each other

instead of ... not

also eating orbs

on that boss its very easy to eat orb->bomb

[tardy sequoia]

I mean every time an orb spawns I make the boss go into it to stun him

Is that the correct way isn’t it?

[strong forum]

oh

that boss

i for some reason thought fire

[tardy sequoia]

No talondras

[strong forum]

thats just people dying to dot

healer issue

[tardy sequoia]

Sigh …

[strong forum]

its not an easy boss

that dungeon in general is super healer intensive

[graceful kite]

because blizz buffed all mob damage and it hurts on tyr

[crystal mauve]

Yes and no, every time the boss get stun he gains a stack of 5% dmg. If you keep stunning it the bleed damage is too high to heal. Stun the boss only to stop his big enrage cast. I've seen group on tyranical get to 10 stacks and the bleed just destroy everyone one by one

[ripe seal]

You should kite the boss into 2 orbs so his stun protection gets removed, then stun him during his enrage cast

[orchid mural]

I dunno, my best success on that boss has been to stun him as much as possible. obv titanic empower should never get off, but the other thing it does is ruff

[ripe seal]

The stomp is rough, but i'd rather wait as long as possible with giving the boss a 5% dmg increase

[strong forum]

its capped at 5 stacks anyway

[sick sentinel]

how does slows like dreadplates and avatar freedom bop, other externals work on worm boss 3 lair

like is activating something that slows you (dreadplates) a net positive or net negative and same for bop/whatever spells

[waxen frigate]

Tigers lust for sure is just a positive

[sick sentinel]

say i do the mechanic correctly and i go to the spot extra early, and i get sucked towards it, through sticky green, >>>>> paladin freedoms me...... do i lose the slow debuff and go rocketing at the boss have to leap forwards?

[waxen frigate]

It’s not like more speed = get pulled faster

[strong forum]

being slowed kills you quicker there as you run away from the the tongue

youre working against a pull, if youre running slower

well you get pulled quicker

the sticky green prevents you from being pulled as much

[sick sentinel]

well, if i get freedom'd or bop'd

[strong forum]

doesnt do anything

[sick sentinel]

cuz one removes slows, the other removes like, everything.

[strong forum]

bop only makes you maybe immune against the damage while getting eaten

but it wont help you with running

[sick sentinel]

still no idea how it happened but " the boss is too far from the wall" 3 hunters in group lol

[strong forum]

wat

[sick sentinel]

i must have moved boss really far away i guess, they didnt get behind in time for the main ability

[strong forum]

oh last boss

[sick sentinel]

i just find the idea of 3 hunters being out of range for anything humorous

[strong forum]

if the boss is too far away from the wall, they cant attack from behind it

if the boss is close enough they can shoot through the wall

theyre not LoS

[sick spruce]

is onyx annulet with freeze/blood/prophetic better than storm/blood/phophetic for single target?

[crude notch]

yes

[dusky canopy]

Yeah it’s tyr week run the ST stuff

[crude notch]

brew

[sick sentinel]

yes but annuulet is getting giga nerfed patch day

[crude notch]

yogi

[dusky canopy]

Hello

[crude notch]

how are you brew

you don't call me no more

[dusky canopy]

Always Chillin

Ngl I’ve been logging for less than 4 hours a week LOL

Enough to get 3 vault options

[sick sentinel]

Alway Whirl-Winning

[dusky canopy]

Whirlwind 360s Revenge doesn’t

[crude notch]

will we get a 300k token in na holy so close

[dusky canopy]

It’s damn close aye?

[crude notch]

285 rn

[dusky canopy]

Haven’t checked in a while

[grave ingot]

389k eu

[dusky canopy]

Gott dayum

[grave ingot]

fucking hell lol

[strong forum]

eu is always higher

its pretty much always 300-330k

[dusky canopy]

Almost FOUR hundred thousand

[waxen frigate]

I don’t think so

[dusky canopy]

What in the actual

[waxen frigate]

Would’ve happened at peak Diablo hype

[grave ingot]

yeah, actually percentage wise, they're closer to each other now

[crude notch]

It's higher than it was at peak diablo hype though

[dusky canopy]

Speaking of Diablo

[crude notch]

so that logic is flawed

[dusky canopy]

Dude last chapter of campaign

[strong forum]

EU token peak was i think 450k in legion

[dusky canopy]

Is BANGER

[crude notch]

Yeah legion tokens were crazy

[grave ingot]

legion was free gold though

[sick sentinel]

i want the REAL Whirl-Win https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj5Ut0dznFs

[dusky canopy]

@strong forum homie try Hammer of the Ancients / shout build if you haven’t already

[jagged gust]

Makes sense, Legion is like the gold standard of xpacs, and the market was still absolutely fucked from the gold farm that was wod

[dusky canopy]

It is pure dopamine rush

Big hammer smash

[sick sentinel]

yes, warrior needs giga chad whirl WIN or big hammer BONKS

[strong forum]

everything is shout build

im leveling on SC as hota rn

[dusky canopy]

Badass!

[olive bay]

Anyone know if the class-specific items that Archi posted up from the PTR ever got added to the game?
https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-specific-weapons-shields-and-offhands-on-the-patch-10-1-ptr-331787

[dusky canopy]

Assuming you know but just incase farm for the aspect that makes your hota aoe

[olive bay]

I really like the shield/sword combo for transmog

[dusky canopy]

Makes clearing ezpz

Theirs another one that makes your core skills do more damage based on the amount of resource you had before spending

That one owns too

For hota

[jagged gust]

Are there any upheaval builds?

That was the one spec that got absolutely zero love in D3

Tho barb was basically just a zDPS choo choo train in any high tier content, hopefully they dont have to do that again

[dusky canopy]

Pretty much any shout build owns right now

More than likely nerfed shouts before or at the start of season 1

There’s also a bleed/rupture build that trucks too but it’s considered “harder” because you sorta have to skillshot with it

I haven’t tried it myself but it looks pretty cool in the clips I’ve watched

[sick sentinel]

im a warrior

not a herbailist

re-rolling paladin

[olive bay]

I mean, there's plenty of shitty looking maces in the game

What's another one between friends

[toxic pewter]

where is that from

[sick sentinel]

the link above has new weapon models

this blue axe reminds me of the warriors 2nd weapon from hexen, timons axe

[cinder storm]

Melee and universal trinket look very cool, but cheat death trinket is just so boring, idk why blizz likes them

[sick sentinel]

i think the melee one will be the best one

I don't imagine many will be using tank trinket

[cinder storm]

at least it's not obtainable through raid, props to them

except every dps will now ask you "cheat death where?"

[warm plinth]

I've never had anyone ask me that on any tank o_O

[solid sun]

Guys, how to survive 6+ stacks of the experiments debuf on mythic?

[pallid quiver]

I've had exactly one person ask me why I wasn't using the Prot War cheat death

we're also going to ignore the fact said talent isn't even a cheat death

[solid sun]

I ticking like 200k every hit o.o

[sick sentinel]

i would literal just ignore someone that told me to cheat death

[rustic tinsel]

The boss slams prot warrior, you’ll need to hold a big cd/external for 6+ stacks

[sick sentinel]

unless its a raid with good reason, i dont raid

[toxic pewter]

backseat gamers are annoying as hell

[rustic tinsel]

And pray your healers like you

[sick sentinel]

if the healer isnt under 10%mana, hold W.

[solid sun]

Ok so it's a class problem and not being bad. The DK makes it look so easy

[rustic tinsel]

I mean It’s just the type damage the dot is

Warrior is notoriously bad at bleeds

[solid sun]

Ironic

[rustic tinsel]

Self sustaining tanks like DK just coast

I progged experiments as prot, you just need to think about where you’re going to use your CDs, attack speed slows are also really good on that boss

[warm plinth]

Tell your team to use numbing poison/curse of weakness

(both of them)

[rustic tinsel]

DK attack slow too if they’re not already, but imagine they are

Having numbing over the 3% DR is massively worth it

[strong forum]

atk speed slows are good on pretty much every boss

[rustic tinsel]

Does attack speed slow impact Zskarn stacks too

[strong forum]

ofc

[rustic tinsel]

I haven’t really paid attention to it since I’m not playing prot anymore for prog

Too busy trying to maintain my will to live on that boss

[strong forum]

gl, its the hardest boss of the raid

if you can kill zskarn you can kill everything

[rustic tinsel]

It’s really a great boss when you can do the same thing twice and have wildly different results

[sick sentinel]

yes, attack speed tinkering has been an off and on again thing ever since TBC least that i knew of

[cinder storm]

I would like to see the zskarn cheese, I know its like 4 tanks and 6 healers in a corner or something but would like to see the execution, is there any video about it?

I know its been fixed

[sick sentinel]

was very often told as rogue to apply "slow casting speed" or "can't heal" poisions

cuz normally you'd do instant MH deadly offhand

[cinder storm]

nvm I think I found a video

[strong forum]

sit in safespot

and patchwerk it down

if bomb spawn, tank or immunity runs in to clear

proceed to patchwerk down in safespot

[twin bramble]

Does uldaman suck again this week?

[warm plinth]

Sucks every tyrannical week XD

[twin bramble]

I hated it last week even 😂

[warm plinth]

Oh idk, I think it's quite easy on fort weeks

One of my go-to dungeons when I'm just trying to get a key done

[sick sentinel]

uldaman sucks in general

[waxen frigate]

Except for the first area

Chomp chomp

[sick sentinel]

worse on fort if u ask me

that whole place is cursed

[twin bramble]

Those basilisks and custodians and time reavers suck. And 2nd boss. Haha

[warm plinth]

Idk, custodians are easy. Just pull them all at once and kite them in a small circle in the top room 🤷

[twin bramble]

Thanks. Yeah you can also stun off their buff

[frigid vault]

Any suggestions for addons that can show me a better recap for when I get flattened by a boss?

[sick sentinel]

logs

[warm plinth]

Logs? 🙂

[waxen frigate]

Agreed custodians are a joke

The lizards are not

[warm plinth]

Basilisks are pretty brutal for sure

But just parry them 4head

[sick sentinel]

Logs: It's better than bad, it's good.

what combo would you guys rock

[daring marlin]

arcano and leggo duh

[sick sentinel]

just a quick flex. no i use those for TW

but of the actual trinkets i really have no idea whats best

i figure OCE + something else

or anvil/bacon

[vocal nimbus]

i use anvil bacon

also pawn

[sick sentinel]

pawn?

[vocal nimbus]

[sick sentinel]

what about iit

[cinder storm]

oh wow

he said the thing that must not be said

[waxen vale]

god DPS infuriate me on magma ele

hopefully this dungeon will come back int rotation before the xpac ends and maybe by then they will figure the bait out

[cinder storm]

I'm gonna play subnautica a bit brb

[sick sentinel]

goated game

[waxen vale]

arae u gonna rescue some billionaire

[sick sentinel]

top 3 games all time for me tbh

[cinder storm]

250m for each deal or no deal

[waxen vale]

just googled does look pretty cool

[strong forum]

anvil + beacon
or beacon/anvil + scale/call to chaos

[plush tendon]

no mark?

[brittle owl]

mark dn

GOTTEM

[crude notch]

can mark something you ain't got kohl

[strong forum]

mark you can miss

and its not mainstat

mark is worse than anvil if you can maintain the stacks of anvil by a landslide (pun intended)

bacon is better than mark cuz its targeted mega burst BUT youcant always send it

[sick sentinel]

isn't everything worse than anvil

[strong forum]

pmuch

[toxic pewter]

Said it before but mark is disappointing to me seems really inconsistent based on it missing and mob counts too

[plush tendon]

my luck with trinkets this tier has been poop

I got mark.... and a all-totem

[toxic pewter]

All-totem badass trinket lol

[plush tendon]

at least its a mythic all-totem

[toxic pewter]

Actually miss that one

[plush tendon]

yea, but its like so last season

[crude notch]

Mark falls into the same category as any other frontal trinket in history, except it's even worse because it's not main stat.

cannonball runner also simmed tremendously but was beans for agi users.

only time trinkets like that are good is when you control when it goes off.

[toxic pewter]

I will say though mark is easy to use so it has that going for it

[daring marlin]

[crude notch]

imagine

they called me a prophet

[vocal nimbus]

why you want 60 lvl 70

tho

[torn gulch]

as an m+ only player heart+mark is fairly decent

does 10 to 15% of my dps depending on keys

[plush tendon]

its worth to pug some heroic

and try for one of the trinkets in there imo

[torn gulch]

it is

but i don't want to raid

[daring marlin]

uh lmao

[torn gulch]

yea i'm trash i know

it is what it is

but both of them can do about 5-6% each

[strong forum]

yeah thats uh

not that much

cuz you gotta substract 3% of those

for just the fact of lacking str

[torn gulch]

because of strenght

i'm aware

might convince myself to go get the anvil

at some point

[plush tendon]

its like a 20 min adventure

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-crying-gif-9607254

^ after the 20 min adventure

[torn gulch]

hahaha i love how you changed it

my guild has weekly heroic alt runs

i might jump in one of those

[plush tendon]

yea! my guild does a full clear on the rat alts in like hour, hour and a half

totally worth to give it a shot to see if you cant snag a anvil, beacon, nelth, or OCE

[daring marlin]

bro the last heroic group I was in they went assault second

I was so fucking confused

[plush tendon]

we go assault second in our main raid

[daring marlin]

I just wanted chance at anvil and essence

They must've known

🤣

[plush tendon]

cause after you kill rashok, you can skip right to amalg room

without doing another side of trash

until you get to the room

[daring marlin]

Makes sense

No pug did that before then!

efficient

[plush tendon]

pugs go left first cause.... everyone knows why they are there

they want OCE

no one cares about Rashok healer trinket

get OCE, then dip

but if you intend to full clear, go right, save some time

[strong forum]

me when pug key

[vocal nimbus]

nome

when does primal tsunami in HoI change targets?

sometimes focused deluge is casted on some dps

[torn gulch]

that happens when you're not back in melee after the knock right?

[vocal nimbus]

sometimes it happened even after charging

maybe i was just slow

[stable valve]

taunt when you get knocked back

[strong forum]

the boss knocks you just enough out of melee range

and since its a rooted target

he attacks the next closest one instead cuz fuck threat tabels

[toxic pewter]

Can reflect the knock back if I recall correctly I never get knocked back

[dusky canopy]

The knock back does the big damage if I’m not mistaken? Haven’t been back since I got portal

[vocal nimbus]

no

its better to reflect the channeled

(right after the knockback)

well

at least reflect something

[toxic pewter]

I prefer reflect at last moment when he’s doing his cast. Reflects the knockback and a bit dr of the channel. Also have shield wall for channel

[strong forum]

well....

just get knocked back

and reflect the channel instead

and do millions of damage.

[toxic pewter]

Oh the channel damage can be reflected

[strong forum]

fully

[toxic pewter]

Didnt realize

Ok will do that going forward

[strong forum]

the boss literally kills itself

[toxic pewter]

Awkward

LOL

[strong forum]

on high keys you can squeeze out over 10mil reflect dmg on that boss

[pallid quiver]

make sure to do nothing about him swinging at the closest DPS after the KB, too, and just inform them when they complain they died that it's a skill issue

[toxic pewter]

Now I just feel bad missed out on all that dam

[dusky canopy]

Oh yeah it’s the channel lmao

[pallid quiver]

leap stronk

[dusky canopy]

I knew you reflected something for big dam

[toxic pewter]

Kinda wild how strong spell reflect is this season

[crude notch]

I love when my pet dies on that boss as hunter, I know that it was a worthy sacrifice

[uneven mason]

I mean, it's not unusual to have a few boss abilities that are reflect able, upper Karazhan is still one of my favorites

[proper roost]

Ya its kinda night and day playing with a prot war on HOI and NL last bosses

Very nice perk

[strong forum]

not strong enough to beat chaos brand

xdd

[toxic pewter]

lol true

[strong forum]

chaos brand does like 35k++ dps

[toxic pewter]

dang

[strong forum]

GL getting that with SR

[toxic pewter]

thats actually crazy

[strong forum]

why do you think vdh is meta

its surely not cuz its "so" tanky

[toxic pewter]

its just to enable to shadow priest balance druid and enh shaman lol

apparently

[strong forum]

enha isnt that sick

[toxic pewter]

how much of their damage is magic

anyway

[strong forum]

all of it

[toxic pewter]

I see them a lot

oh shit wat

wow

[strong forum]

enha is 100% magic

[toxic pewter]

didnt even realize that

are they the only melee magic dam spec or what

[proper roost]

yeah I mean vdh damage is what enables their tankiness isnt it

[strong forum]

unholy, ret pal, sub rogue

[proper roost]

isnt their leech a big part of their dmg

[strong forum]

theyre all mostly magic

[proper roost]

their tankiness*

[toxic pewter]

does attack power help those specs? it does right

[strong forum]

lotta people dont opt to play that build

[strong forum]

atk power buffs the skill itself

chaos brand/magic touch just makes the mob take 5% more dmg from X dmg source

int buff and battle shout are bigger buffs because it applies to the entire class

not just specific dmg schools

[toxic pewter]

i see

[strong forum]

mystic touch is the weakest of the buffs

because only very few classes purely do physical damage

[toxic pewter]

is that because physical damage is just the lowest represented

ok

[strong forum]

its pretty much only warrior that does only physical damage

and i guess hunter for a large part except surv

ret is alot of holy dmg
monk is alot of everything, but also a decent chunk physical
rogue is alot of shadow and poison
dk is alot of disease shadow and frost

feral is also large part physical now that i think about it

[toxic pewter]

yah bleeds and stuff

armor doesnt affect bleeds right

[undone verge]

no

[strong forum]

no

you bleed on your skin

[undone verge]

which fucking sucks

[strong forum]

not on your armor

[toxic pewter]

right lol

[undone verge]

should be able to just block the bleeds

how they get through my armor

[toxic pewter]

dont mobs have armor? does that actually make bleeds stronger against most mobs too or doesnt work like that

[strong forum]

mobs have 30% armor

everything just out of principle

thats why physical dmg trinkets always do less dmg than advertised if you discount crits

[toxic pewter]

i see

[waxen frigate]

And tooltips

[graceful kite]

why tho

[toxic pewter]

ngl didnt realize chaos brand was doing so much work

[strong forum]

tooltips are always funky cuz not every multiplier is accounted for

[waxen frigate]

Because less time spent doing more dmg = better

[waxen frigate]

I never trust any tooltip ever

[strong forum]

chaos brand is super simple to reverse engineer

[toxic pewter]

is it worth it to almost put a mage in the group for arcane int

[waxen frigate]

Brewmaster things 🤪

[toxic pewter]

and take out the shaman

or swap out another one even

[strong forum]

shaman is in there cuz utility

short kick, aoe stops

[toxic pewter]

take out the druid put in a mage

i guess lose combat rez tho

[strong forum]

and mark

[toxic pewter]

yeah true

[strong forum]

and roots,knockback

aoe silence

poison dispell

[toxic pewter]

next patch could mage come in

[strong forum]

offhealing

[toxic pewter]

each spec brings a lot lol

[strong forum]

theres a reason why the comp is as it is

[toxic pewter]

yes

[strong forum]

like there are 2 comps looking super solid

bear + firemage (next patch), spriest, rogue/enha, hpal

vdh + boomy + spriest + rogue/enha + hpal

[graceful kite]

Why rogue?

[strong forum]

if you wanna make pwar work the best

cuz rogue is good

pwar + enha + rogue + spriest + hpal is the best comp for pwar

[waxen frigate]

Spriest/HPal gonna be in every single comp zzz

[strong forum]

yup

theyre too good not to play

[waxen frigate]

Can’t believe instead of removing PI

they made it into an entire spec

[graceful kite]

why not mw?

[strong forum]

what does MW bring

[waxen frigate]

Because HPala beyond broken

[graceful kite]

mystic

[waxen frigate]

In .5

[strong forum]

mystic

[waxen frigate]

Mystic sucks

[strong forum]

in a full magic dmg comp

mystic is by far

the weakest dmg buff in the game

[graceful kite]

Ah I thought we were talking about making pwar happy

not about competitive comps

[strong forum]

no im talking ideal comp

for pwar push comp

not for "make pwar do big dam"

[waxen frigate]

Kinda based if you did that tho

[graceful kite]

I think you can replace pwar in your comp and it'd be alright

with vdh

[uneven mason]

Legit

[strong forum]

breh

[strong forum]

#protection message

what did i say just a few lines up

[graceful kite]

didnt read

[strong forum]

[crude notch]

that comp is incredibly cursed with kicks

[strong forum]

que

[waxen frigate]

How so

[strong forum]

thats the cost of vdh

fuckall interrupts or CC

alot of brute forcing

cuz thats all VDH brings

[waxen frigate]

Silence Sigil, 2 short ranged kicks, and 1 melee kick isn’t horrible

[strong forum]

caster meta is always the worst meta

cuz its primarily just dmg

[waxen frigate]

Ppal meta is worse

Because nobody bothers using their kicks even if they have them

[crude notch]

That's true regardless of tank

[strong forum]

idk why

but im content with brm and bear next patch

i cant explain it

[crude notch]

PPal has always been the meta pug tank.

[strong forum]

ye

[waxen frigate]

Ya bc it’s ez mode

[strong forum]

in the 15 key range it was always extremely popular

[waxen frigate]

Does everyone’s job for them

[strong forum]

even in SL or bfa

[crude notch]

Yep

PPal in Shrine was nutty

[strong forum]

hate shrine

never bring it back

dogshit dungeon

[daring marlin]

Shrine+KR let's go baby

[crude notch]

They should just rip off the bandaid

ye

Shrine and KR same season

[daring marlin]

First time I had a badass tank that knew how to tank on the ledge it changed my life

she made my melee heart melt

[crude notch]

Nah nah Shrine and TD.

[strong forum]

shrine + kr + td + siege +

whats another mega cancer key

[crude notch]

With havoc not being able to cheese final boss

of TD

[strong forum]

Dos + NW aswell

[crude notch]

Sanguine Depths without Covenant buffs

[strong forum]

top

[daring marlin]

I hope it's SotS and KR next season.

ToP was a banger

[strong forum]

shrine + kr + td + siege + dos + nw + ToP

next dungeon rotation

[crude notch]

God when SL dungeons get included in the pool again it's gonna be so rough without covenant buffs

[daring marlin]

Siege was the worst BFA dungeon

Fuck that place

[crude notch]

Nah I belief

Next season will have AD

[daring marlin]

That was ass too

[crude notch]

👀

[daring marlin]

Two bosses that killed themselves, a boss that did nothing but a fixate and the last boss with a lame dance.

garbage incarnate

and bleed hulks are shit

[crude notch]

Free key

gimme

I'm fine with KR

[daring marlin]

Cuz it's the best

[crude notch]

I think it'll be couple of void thematic dungeons though

so shrine

I can't remember cata dungeons too well

[daring marlin]

Tolvir would be aids

[strong forum]

bring back grim batol

[daring marlin]

without dragon part and agree

[strong forum]

yes

[daring marlin]

last boss was giga fun

[strong forum]

the dungeon is already perfect m+ design

[daring marlin]

First boss too actually

[strong forum]

just tune numbers

and you gucci

[crude notch]

was thinking this

[daring marlin]

Grim Batol would be in the upper echelon of dungeons for sure

ahead of its time design wise

[strong forum]

people always say"BUT IT WAS SO BAD AND HARD"

yeah cuz people were bad at using CC and sucked at last boss

but if they think about it logically without emotional trauma

its a great dungeon

[waxen frigate]

Don’t talk shit about dos

[strong forum]

dos was awful

terrible dungeon

you get to do 1 or 2 fun pulls

rest is just snooze

[daring marlin]

agree

[strong forum]

and too much downtime

[warm plinth]

DOS was also only fun with wo imo

[crude notch]

At least you could mount in parts of dos (hello vortex pinnacle????)

[daring marlin]

de other SNOOZE

[warm plinth]

Because you could do better routes and it was faster

[crude notch]

Skyreach, Grim Batol, WCM, and Shrine.

[daring marlin]

I love WCM

[warm plinth]

Please God no not skyreach

[strong forum]

no, not skyreach or shrine

[crude notch]

Then the two new ones

[strong forum]

WCM grimbatol, yes

but not the other 2

[crude notch]

and idk what they do for last two

[daring marlin]

WCM goated

Reflectssssss

[crude notch]

inb4 we get 10 next season.

[strong forum]

its moreso

WCM, BIG PUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLS

[daring marlin]

yes

[waxen frigate]

All of Arden was banger

But I guess realistically that was 2-3 pulls

[strong forum]

yes.

[waxen frigate]

But man those were fun pulls

[strong forum]

1/4th of the dungeon was good

doesnt mean the dungeon was good

[crude notch]

Ardenweld was literally the only good part of all of SL dungeons.