protection

[gloomy vortex]

Qauzii’s discord and YouTube has a lot of tank pov, he just plays all tank classes

[jagged gust]

Oh nice I wasn't aware of his vod channel, that should be perfect. His guides are a nice overview but don't really get into the minutiae of a run which is what I'm craving

[split remnant]

Is the very rare back good even for tanks?

[jagged gust]

thanks bud

[split remnant]

Just dropped from vault.

My choices are either this back, 437shield or 447mythic+ ring

[gloomy vortex]

I just got 444 forgestorm in vault

[jagged gust]

It's nice but from what people say here it's very negligible damage

So a kind of use it if you can, but dont if you're struggling or progging

[split remnant]

So the back isnt actually "that good"?

This is my first vault. I dont know nothing about nothing.

[jagged gust]

It's nothing to salivate over but DPS is still DPS

use it if you can, extra damage is always nice. It's just the stam loss can potentially hurt

[true portal]

as far as i know, the back's a bit stronger on dps/healers since it has no stam and the proc's reliant on others taking damage- but if it's a huuuuge ilevel upgrade, yoink it!

it's worth running a wee sim using simulationcraft + top gear on raidbots for each of your vault items if you're not sure what to pick. sims aren't always perfect (esp. with trinkets) and can only measure your dps, but it doesn't hurt to check if you're stuck between two items

a ring's good to grab if you don't have an annulet replacement sorted, but it really depends on what the rest of your gear is! if you've got a bad shield, the shield might be worth picking instead for survivability

[warm plinth]

It's shit for tanks. Never procs. Like in an entire dungeon it'll proc like twice

[reef gazelle]

what talents do you all change between fortified and tyrannical?

[jagged pier]

none

[jagged gust]

How is it possible to have a group with 4 classes capable of dispels, and not dispel a single afflicted?

It was like the bystander effect of pugging

everyone must have thought the other person was gonna do it

[jagged pier]

your pugging

pugs dont do mechanics

[jagged gust]

The last 2 weeks of pugs have been amazing for me

My neck actually hurts from the whiplash from then to now

[jagged pier]

because affixes havent done anything for 2 weeks

[jagged gust]

that's a very fair point

[jagged pier]

[jagged gust]

I thought y'all were memeing before

[jagged pier]

we actually rarely meme in here

[lime urchin]

this game is not made for pugging

[real minnow]

ahahahahah..... 52 runs and hoped for it in vault. NOTHING!

[tardy sequoia]

good morning.. what's the best choice in this case?

[echo egret]

I keep being told "pull every pack in this room" and that kind of things - but from a prot pally playing an alt. I feel my AoE pull and threat capabilites are severly limited, is it me playing wrong or is there something I'm missing ?

[tardy sequoia]

I'd like to add everything is an upgrade

[hardy snow]

[tardy sequoia]

i mean.. pick highest ilvl and then convert to tier or pick already a tier set item?

[jagged pier]

highest ilvl

[graceful kite]

nice

[graceful kite]

warrior has very good pull and threat

If you dont have damage cds you should aoe taunt but with cds threat shouldnt be an issue at all

[graceful kite]

hands or belt if its a hero and has a socket in it

[ionic fern]

Probably playing wrong. We should have no AoE issues at all.

[jagged gust]

Whats the opinion on titanic throw? I initially loved it, makes pulling 3+ packs simultaneously a breeze but its starting to feel like a hindrance collecting adds

I almost want to recommend it but I think it's more of a crutch tbh

summons I mean

[remote venture]

It's good pull tool

[graceful kite]

I dont like to spend a point on it

but its ok

Where is it useful? bromach?

usually if you pull you want to charge the pack anyways and spend your global on a better dps option

[jagged gust]

Yeah thats what I'm starting to understand, double charge plus leap is enough to collect everything without fuss

I use it pretty extensively in Nel to basically long distance group taunt, just because that dungeon is like 3 giant pulls then you're gucci

[graceful kite]

I actually dont remember using throw anywhere except for rokmora this season

I mean the ability not the talent

not sure about nl in 3 giant pulls, ppl will die to disks

and rock boys hurt

[jagged gust]

Dang that's crazy, I use the throw constantly in nelth, so many tiny spawns and im worried about repositioning

But also the only other place that talent can go is intervene or bounding stride? It feels like our most easily swappable point

[graceful kite]

default option is fear

I play with bounding

but im not playing seriously this patch just 20s for vault and fun

[jagged gust]

but you don't need to drop fear, I drop pain and gain

[gloomy vortex]

I already had a 437 version, sorry bro got it first run

[jagged gust]

Maybe 3 is an exaggeration, but I'll stagger step the first 3 packs then draw in the next two for a big ol' cleave fest once they're half down, double pull the next two and you're at the boss already. Then drag the birds and the miniboss down the stairs aggroing the entire stairwell, second boss. Then you basically pull the entire hallway from the birds to the spiral stairs, double pull the next pack, third boss. Then you're on the final pulls to the last boss

neltharus, not nl sorry

[craggy pilot]

lol fucking hell

just farmed 437 Mark of Dargrul last week

[echo egret]

Well then I don’t see how I can established enough ranged threat when pulling 2 or 3 packs

[ionic fern]

Charge into pack one
Heroic Throw another pack:
Leap / charge into 3rd pack.

if DPS goes ham before they are gathyered, that's on them.

[crude notch]

the law of farming

[ionic fern]

I got a good feeling that the one +18 i did on my warrior will net me my Forgestorm.

[craggy pilot]

pull shit
wait for it to be grouped
do damage
???
profit

[jagged pier]

it probably wil

[crude notch]

i belieb

[echo egret]

Yeah it never happens like that.
Packs are often quite spread and require a decent bit of running, always some DPS starting early, the healer not following me and let me die or pull healing aggro.

[gloomy vortex]

I have two good offensive trinkets, what we saying for the top 2 defensive ones for us ?

Or are we saying we don’t ever need defensive trinkets.. in raid I’m mainly talking about for mythic

[jagged pier]

we dont need defesnive trinkets in raid

[ionic fern]

" /p wait for me to group them."
If they die, that's on them.

Or you go slower.
Pull one pack, TC/Revenge, establish agro, leap/charge to another pack, TC/Revenge, establish agro, leap/charge to 3rd pack, TC/Revenge, establish agro.

[echo egret]

Yes that’s what I do atm

[craggy pilot]

where does this happen that grps are not grouping?

like are you pulling 3x caster packs with 0 kicks or something?

[ionic fern]

So..what's the issue? 👀

[echo egret]

The rare times I’m with friends, they complain about losing uptime, AoE shenanigans or whatnot

[ionic fern]

😂

Not to be rude but that sounds dumb.

Waiting 5s for the mobs the be grouped (especially if you're with friends, presumably on voice) is not going to be a "losing uptime on AoE" over them going ham instantly causing threat issues.

[jagged pier]

just let them dps

[ionic fern]

It's the AA tree boss trash topic all over again.

[jagged pier]

they die

[pallid quiver]

they don't pay their sub to not press buttons

[jagged pier]

not your problem

[subtle sigil]

Just Pwarr things

[echo egret]

Thanks for all the replies

[pallid quiver]

i don't actually remember this topic i don't think

i only remember people going "adds unlimited damage how solve"

[ionic fern]

Constant questions of
"AA tree boss trash i lose aggro".

And then it turned out that they were still grouping the enemies (tagging with Heroic throw) while DPS already went ham on the first pack.

[pallid quiver]

I think I'm remembering it

maybe

[ionic fern]

I mean, it's not specific to only thios scenario.

[pallid quiver]

I've probably mentally blocked it out of pain

[ionic fern]

It's just a generic question.

That always has the same answer.

Similar to "Hello, when do i use SW??"

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, I recognize the "me no have aggro" sentiment

[ionic fern]

Ee...,when you're taking damage.

[pallid quiver]

I completely have already forgotten that tree boss had spread out trash

[graceful kite]

on cd is the answer rn I think

[pallid quiver]

i was even knee jerk thinking it was referring to the adds in the middle of the fight

[graceful kite]

ppl are still thinking sw is some huge cd thing we should save while it has 1m cd

[jagged pier]

i just dont use it

we are different

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/832390254895300648.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[graceful kite]

cragshaper is our best defensive one

[graceful kite]

based

[ionic fern]

I also forget to use it

😂

[sick sentinel]

When ur druid throws all the adds behind u and they hit u from the back 🥰

[craggy pilot]

had this happen with spiteful last season 🤣

perfectly kiting spiteful, and druid just goes "YEET"

[lime urchin]

Typhoon without vortex results in a cringy dps loss most of the time

[jagged pier]

spiteful doesnt hit u

🤔

[craggy pilot]

was on dps

but ye

[latent jungle]

Did a 22 key last night, starting to think next to 0 vers is a bad idea, stacking Haste then crit is fun but damn don't do 22 when ur tired and got 8% vers with phial 🤣

[ionic fern]

Vers. Does. not. Matter. At. Current. levels.

You're welcome.

[pallid quiver]

I think the tired part mattered a lot more

[jagged pier]

at 22 your stats dont matter

[hardy snow]

block value is stat that matters

[latent jungle]

Sick so I'll just blame being tired then 🤣

My healer was moaning "maybe crit stacking wasn't a good idea"

[jagged pier]

maybe u should link a log

[ionic fern]

No, the healer has spoken.

Everyone knows that the healers know the best.

[jagged pier]

i mean a healer in my guild calles himself gods gift to healing then gets beaten by the other healers

and hes the only 1 with rashoks as well

so imma doubt

[sullen gust]

Praise be the vault gods, I have been blessed with a forgestorm, she may only be 444, but she's mine and I love her (if anyone knows, will that new mythic track they wanna add be put into gear in retrospect? Totally unrelated)

[ionic fern]

It's like a rollercoaster with them.
They go "I FEEL SO USELESS, TANKS ARE SO SELF RELIANT, THEY DONT NEED HEALERS".
But when tanks take damage they go "MaYbE bE iN DeFeNSivE StaNce aNd StacK VeRs".

Dumdumbs.

[blazing condor]

as with anything in this game

people cope too much and blameshift

because aint no way they're the problem

[ember tangle]

i was told to sit in defensive stance on rashok the entire fight

because "there is so much raid damage and you can spare the healers some trouble"

[ionic fern]

Eh?

There's set tank damage windows.

Everything else is w/e.

[ember tangle]

i know right? the guy said i could spare the healers 10k hps or something by sitting in dstance the entire time

although most of the healing i get on that fight is either getting topped before/between combo or just splash healing

[lime urchin]

Just smile and stay in b-stance

[strong forum]

Wanna know what getting another 8% vers (that's almost 1650 vers BTW) will give you? 4% damage reduction

4%

Instead of 100,000 you'll only be kicked in the balls for 96,000 by investing 4-6 items worth of vers

Now anybody tell me with a straight face that that matters

[jagged pier]

unfortunaty they still try

[hardy snow]

what if someone dies to last mob in pack that had 0.1% hp to an 2k overkill? vers would help in this particular scenario

[strong forum]

What if he parried 1 auto

If he hadn't parried a single auto attack out of an entire pack (which is obv not possible because we have baseline parry and we get it from Str too)

He'd have just died earlier instead of being overkilled by a tiny amount

It's the same argument

Opportunitycost, you gain some you lose some. It's not just gaining with focusing on a particular stat heavily

[ember tangle]

i have also been asked condescendingly why the fuck i was stacking haste as a tank since everyone knows vers is the only defensive stat?

this was a while ago though

and not in my current guild

[modern gazelle]

Verse isn’t even the only defensive stat lmao

Even just talking pure defense and not counting being able to do more actions with haste

Crit gives higher parry chance

[strong forum]

There's a reason why we say "there are no bad stats"

Because none of them are bad

[craggy pilot]

the fucking Parry sound going through the roof when tanking melee packs with high Crit ❤️

https://tenor.com/view/parry-the-platipus-isoncrack-gif-15294316

^parry the platypus, the #1 parry cartoon

[strong forum]

One could even argue that mastery gains alot of value this season

[craggy pilot]

one could argue anything

sometimes its even fun to keep arguing even if youre probably wrong 🤣

[strong forum]

Lotta people do that to try and weasle their way out instead of taking the L

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/moving-goalposts-ps5-sony-pony-gif-21602444

[strong forum]

And everybody has done it before, me ofc aswell

Nobody is perfect

[daring marlin]

lmao jakey

[craggy pilot]

for me its not so much about taking the L, its more about keeping the entertainment going 😄

[waxen frigate]

I’m still mad Kanga never replied to me literally healing a 20 BH yesterday to spite him 5 hours after our argument

😠

[strong forum]

Spite is a powerful motivator

That's why my name is orange

[craggy pilot]

the main motivator for my keys, is whenever someone passes my M+ score in guild 🤣

[waxen frigate]

Trust me I don’t think there’s a single goddamn thing that would make me heal a 20 other than spite

Especially on afflicted week. That was a fucking mistake

[strong forum]

Spite is the whole reason why I became active in here in 8.0
To show dumb mfers how it's done

[waxen frigate]

Based

[strong forum]

Yeah current week is uh... Not very friendly

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1080311947741909134/1121036505356451899/image.png

That's a big fucking no bueno

[waxen frigate]

I didn’t even have a weakaura to tell me when they spawned

So I literally just had my friend screaming at me

[craggy pilot]

Tyr bolstering tho

is that your key Nome? i thought youre doing D4

[strong forum]

No is a friend's

But like

NL 26 with these affixes

:))

Pelters 🙂
3rd boss 🙂

[craggy pilot]

bolstered pelters

😄

worm without dispels haha

[waxen frigate]

Last boss tyrannical too

Magma crush or whatever

🙂

[craggy pilot]

Magma crush is reflect tho

[orchid gulch]

Spell reflecting molten crash is fun though

[craggy pilot]

NL is good reflect dung ❤️

[waxen frigate]

Oh ya I forgot fuck warriors

[strong forum]

Yeah for pwar it's bing chilling outside of the hulks, they remove you from the game

[waxen frigate]

They remove every tank from the game tbf

[strong forum]

Cuz a 10 sec unblockable dot that slaps for several hundred thousand every 2 seconds is somehow supposed to be livable for a warrior

Yeah but warrior gets doubled dicked down by it

[pastel atlas]

wdym just stack vers :)

[waxen frigate]

I main brew I know the pain of magic dots too 😦

At least I have diffuse now I guess

[craggy pilot]

youre inthe wrong place brother 💔

[waxen frigate]

No I like arguing for fun

[strong forum]

We have our 8sec of SW and then it's paintrain for those

[craggy pilot]

ah ye then its the correct place

[craggy pilot]

just go Festering Splinter xD

[waxen frigate]

[craggy pilot]

damn im starting to love D4 rogue ❤️

[crude notch]

damn im starting to love... nothing, i can't love

[waxen frigate]

Mood

[daring marlin]

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/accept-yourself-gif-11732380

[crude notch]

is that asmon?

[orchid gulch]

Hairline fits

[crude notch]

I"VE DONE NOTHING BUT RUN FREEHOLDS ALL NIGHT

https://tenor.com/view/venom-tom-hardy-screaming-gif-11035878

[sick sentinel]

asmongold if he didnt get into computers

[daring marlin]

for what lol

dice?

[crude notch]

ye

[daring marlin]

🫵

[waxen frigate]

Guess you low rolled

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok7gejgqIjY

[crystal mauve]

Are you guys pulling 100k dps easily in underot (+20)? I can’t seems tu pull much more than 85k without pulling like a maniac and putting my group in danger

[strong forum]

should be fairly doable, you got decently large sized and frequent pulls

[waxen frigate]

I am the danger

[crystal mauve]

My biggest worry is the rest of the group tbh, gotta get the right group I guess 🙂

[strong forum]

i cant say for certain as ive not done UR a single time as tank this season and have not played the game in 4 weeks at all

asking a buddy

in a 23 he did 102k log dps, but i guess thats not really average

[sick sentinel]

dudes out there trying to charge 10k for a primary stat gem

lol

[crystal mauve]

Stronk, gotta get good then

[strong forum]

he averages 95-100k he says

[real kelp]

Hello.
is there any notable Difference between Fierce and Frosted Armor Kit for Legs? wowhead recommends fierce but the sim says frosted. but i dont know how raidbots would differenciate the two anyway

[strong forum]

frost = armor = str
fierce is just stamina

[waxen frigate]

I think warrior is like the only one who wants frost lol

Because of that exact interaction

[strong forum]

well yeah cuz we get more dmg

[waxen frigate]

Tbh I forgot about that

[sick sentinel]

armor =/= str though

[waxen frigate]

Need to re enchant my warr when I get home

[real kelp]

oh ok i honestly did forget that aswell

[waxen frigate]

Well it’s not 1:1

[strong forum]

we get like 43 str from frost enchant iirc

[sick sentinel]

like, i guess you get expected value out of it, but, im not gunna equate one to the other personal

[real kelp]

thx for clearing that up i was completely lost on how the sim would decide when only simming dps. but that of course makes sense if you just think for a second

[waxen frigate]

It’s really only notable for this specific instance

[strong forum]

and when all-totem was still the play

youd get like 300str from the earth proc as a result

[waxen frigate]

All-totem was a weird trinket

[real kelp]

Also just a sidenote. I honestly think this is the best role discord by far. not just in skyhold. i always get immediate responses from ppl and no one ever is shitty if you dont know anything obvous

[strong forum]

it was awesome

[waxen frigate]

You just wasted all that time, for what? It’s a warrior fury channel and your sitting on here doing this?

[strong forum]

i dont get that joke

[waxen frigate]

Very mid for me as brew but on BDK and pwarr was nice for sure

[strong forum]

i know its supposed to be one

but i dont understand it

[waxen frigate]

Literally just some guy who got mad in fury earlier

[strong forum]

ic

[real kelp]

xD

[waxen frigate]

Ppl been copy pasting it for the last hour

Skyhold is decent imo

[real kelp]

Agreed

[waxen frigate]

I would personally rank Acherus>Peak>Skyhold=Fel Hammer>Pally one

From the ones I’ve been active in

[strong forum]

i wish i had a 447 all-totem

it was an actually good m+ trinket

[waxen frigate]

I think skyhold does have the typical class discord issues though

I barely even remember what trinks I mostly used last tier

[strong forum]

which is?

[waxen frigate]

Mix of all totem, boon, whetstone

[real kelp]

I just miss my Whetstone

[waxen frigate]

Discord mod egos

Not you specifically

But ironically you would know exactly what I mean

[strong forum]

well yeah im not a mod

[waxen frigate]

Well you have ban power

Right?

[strong forum]

indirectly

i can mute

[waxen frigate]

Hmm

I thought you were same rank as archi

[strong forum]

nah i dont have blue

[waxen frigate]

Oh

Yeah you’re like

[strong forum]

am onli orange and yellow

[waxen frigate]

One of the more chill “veterans” out of the discords I’m in

You don’t bully me like Kate 😦

[strong forum]

is ok i bully kate in bt sometimes

[waxen frigate]

BT?

[strong forum]

bear troupe

[waxen frigate]

Oh ya

I’ve heard of that server no idea what it Rly is tho

[strong forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1103239167720300544.webp?size=48&quality=lossless

[jagged pier]

🤫

[waxen frigate]

I remember when I added Kate as a disc friend and she just sent me a knife emoji and told me not to abuse the privilege

I just harass her about sim questions usually

[strong forum]

brew sims are special

you got literal PhDs figuring out the most crazy shit ive seen

[waxen frigate]

Yeah I’ve talked a lot with her about it

[waxen frigate]

Gigachad Emallson

I only found out he had a PhD a few months ago

Makes sense tho with the stats work he does

I remember the r2 niuzao predicament in our early xpac sims

“We don’t know how to unfuck this”

@strong forum do u do the prot APL?

Idk any prot people besides you lmao

[strong forum]

ye

[waxen frigate]

Nice nice

[strong forum]

also out of spite btw

[waxen frigate]

I tried to learn simc a bit a few weeks ago

It as an experience

Kate yelled at me for using the gui

And I couldn’t figure out how to use the command prompt 😦

[strong forum]

i use the superior format

.txt

and then let arma handle the code stuff

[waxen frigate]

That’s what I ended up using

Lmao

And then sent to someone else for code stuff ye

I literally spent like 4 hours

On an APL with someone

Well 4 active hours

Doing the coding and testing

[sick sentinel]

i need to find a guild that isn't 2 people online always

[strong forum]

gl with that

[waxen frigate]

I need to find a guild

Finding a guild as a tank sucks tho

[sick sentinel]

i swear i log in, and 90% of time im only one on, or last chat was a week ago

[waxen frigate]

Do you have an active discord

Guild chat usually isn’t like that poppin

[sick sentinel]

don't even know if its worth me fussing over trying to get a primary stat gem asap

[waxen frigate]

Not really

It’s a gem it’s not gonna make or break things

Just throw up a few public orders imo and hope for an r3

[dusky canopy]

Most guilds I’ve been a hang around in barely type in guild chat it’s always in disc lol

[frozen rose]

Progging Rashok M. I rarely die from the tank combo but if it happens it’s when I don’t have anything available to use. I’m actually even rolling whispering trink as an extra savior. Is defender aegis not a superior choice talent wise? I feel like this gives you a higher chance to have a cd available for tank combos. What am I missing? Cause I’m not seeing people using that.

[jagged pier]

no u use externals

from your healers

[frozen rose]

A fight with sustained damage I get that’s a worse choice because I believe that other talent that’s typically used there, forgive me I forget the name, you still have more uptime with SW

[sick sentinel]

first gem was only a rank 2 rip lol

[frozen rose]

We don’t have many actually. 2 resto sham

[sick sentinel]

im gunna try max of 3 times rn

[jagged pier]

so?

whats your other tank?

[hardy snow]

you can use spellblock for first two combos of phase (in case you are about to receive magic hit) and shield wall for third, they are back in next phase for same rotation, of course SB+def stance on every combo

[junior brook]

also swapped to Spellblock, made it fairly more chill to have extra button

[iron spade]

Which trinkets, is the best for m+? 🙂 Atm im running Beacon and Mark of Dargul, but Beacon seems to be so annoying tbhj

[vocal nimbus]

Beacon is life

[strong forum]

anvil, talisman, tree-mouth, grapnel, ominous essence, call to nelth

[frozen rose]

@jagged pier DH. @junior brook oh ya I’m def using SB

[sick sentinel]

i thought i heard treemouth was bad

[frozen rose]

@jagged pier What’s the con of using Aegis

[strong forum]

20% less rage gen on SS, less shieldwalls throughout the fight

with imp + spellblock you can pretty much rotate SW -Spellblock - SW

and if you dont eat the flame slash at all you dont need a CD anyway

[jagged pier]

less rage less SWs

u can cover 2 tank combos a phase with the other one

u wont have them back by P2 i dont think

i means i just use externals

and we only have 2

🤷

so saying you dont have many ither isnt an excuse u need to use them

[frozen rose]

@strong forum I’ll have to look at the numbers again. You said don’t need a CD if ur eating just one earthen crush? Didn’t feel too bad to you?

[strong forum]

SB is plenty

[frozen rose]

Word. Thx

[real kelp]

is the dungeon slice sim any good? i mostly did patchwerk 4 targets to this point. from an m+ perspective?

[strong forum]

like, if youre not <60% HP when the earthen crush comes, youll live

it does ~500k with just SB up and 0 ignore pain

[strong forum]

should be fairly accurate

if you want more specific sims you sim patchwerk:

• 1t 2-3min + lust
• 5t 1min no lust
• 10t 40sec + lust
• 5-10t 5-8minutes + lust to get an average aoe dps output
  and then draw your conclusion from that

[real kelp]

but ill do nothing completely wrong going with the dungeon slice? Thanks for the Clarification and in depth view on it but that feels a bit to much. im not that in depth if the dungeon slice is decent

[dusky canopy]

Dslice is only optimized for rogue

As it was made by rogues

You could use it sure but it might have you equip a downgrade and you wouldn’t know otherwise

[modern brook]

[strong forum]

what

[sick sentinel]

i have restored order to my necklace

[prisma crane]

most excellent

[nocturne spindle]

Sir those aren't crit gems you need more daaaamage

[modern brook]

Just seems like a lot ofb extra sims to me half that just is a dslice sim without travel time / combat drops

Just to find out that hmm yes my beacon does do more damage than sporepod :nodders:

[waxen frigate]

Imma be real

Nomer is probably the best person to listen to when it comes to warrior sims lol

Considering he writes the APL

[modern brook]

Cool

[sick sentinel]

i would totally use a 437 treemouth hero/champion if i had one

[waxen frigate]

Dungeon slice is something you should never rely on unless the APL author specifically says so

Since it varies wildly by spec how well it works

Some specs you just straight up can’t use it

[sick sentinel]

i only got a 424 treemouth, so its probably not worth equipping

[waxen frigate]

Can you not upgrade it

[sick sentinel]

i thgought once it was max/max explorer sday, thats it

its totally done forever now

[strong forum]

Dslice caps out at 6 targets

And averages like 3-4

[modern brook]

90% sure it got bumped to 8, avg 5-6

id have to check tho 😦

[strong forum]

6

[modern brook]

oh wild

[strong forum]

Like it's fine for your normal W route

Perfectly fine

But like I said, if you want more accurate breakpoints to weigh your options I'd personally sim what I posted

[modern brook]

why not just mdt it at that point

[strong forum]

Is it worth the 2k dps loss on ST to get 2k dps gain on 5 targets and so on

[crude notch]

finally got my dice

fun fact, if you loot two of the same trinket it even unlocks upgrading for any other trinket

[tardy sequoia]

Should I already be using last stand as offensive cooldown even with 2 pieces tier set or should I wait for the 4 pieces bonuses?

[sick sentinel]

isnt that agi only

[modern brook]

With 2pc, holding ls is wasted cdr, send it

[sick sentinel]

dice doesn't drop for us has to be traded

[crystal mauve]

Should we just sim single target only then?

[modern brook]

#protection message

[dusky canopy]

As tank I prefer to optimize for ST

Let the dps add pad they do it better anyway

Unless I’m specifically trying to get a high overall anyway.. lol

[crystal mauve]

👍 I guess I feel good with 100+ overall but it might not be what help the most in timing the key

[modern brook]

dont let dps gas light you into doing less

you are the bar, set it

[strong forum]

St/prio is the most important dps yes

[gritty bone]

does anyone have slam WW or rend on their bars?

[strong forum]

No

All 3 are not to be used

[gritty bone]

great news

any issue macroing ravager underneath demo shout?

[modern brook]

both are on gcd

[strong forum]

You can't macro 2 gcds together

[gritty bone]

ah shit

trying to organize my bars as close to my dps spec as possible while trying prot out and i just dont know where to put everything lol

[icy atlas]

number pad is useful for shit like turning the UI off and other shit you rarely use

[modern brook]

coping

[gritty bone]

I have a macro mouse and just use my fkeys for it

but this feels like hot garbage mess

[icy atlas]

Also if you use your computer for literally anything other than gaming, numpad is god tier

[gritty bone]

this is much better and feels at home with fury as my main spec

[jagged pier]

👀 + 🧠

[dusky canopy]

Revenge isn’t 360 but whirlwind is

[warm girder]

Not this again ... 😄

Just to confirm: Demo Shout (with Booming Voice) does affect trinket damange, correct?

[crude notch]

had a pwarearlier who unironically said he pulls with whirlwind but doesn't use it when everything is gathered.

[strong forum]

False

[warm girder]

Sadge ...

"increases damage you deal ..." - guess trinket damage is dealt by trinket or what's the argument here?

[crude notch]

the argument is it's not damage you deal

[modern brook]

1. dont read too much into tool tips
2. its a white list for things on the warrior spell book

[daring marlin]

it's time to bullyfango

[modern brook]

never ends

[warm girder]

I'm a warrior, I don't use spell boo ... ah never mind 😄

[daring marlin]

[warm girder]

Then another CD related question: are you holding back Avatar to line it up with the Ravager, Demo Shout, Thunderous Roar combo or just send it on CD?

[modern brook]

send it

more avatar casts = more rage = more rage spent = more cdr from am = more avatar casts

holding it guts the feedback loop

[strong forum]

Game is just coded that way ever since legion that they progressively remove it that classes can increase the dmg output of items with class related buffs

Just recently they removed that ability after 3+ years from monks and bear druids

There is only like 1 or 2 specs left that can do that

[modern brook]

slowly gutting those too

sub was the most egregious of it

Lost like ~20% damage amp from talents to equipment procs/on-uses going into s2

[frozen rose]

@jagged pier are you using up some rage hitting some good IP before each tank buster? On M rashok?

[warm girder]

Thank you for the background info. Makes a bit more sense now.

[jagged pier]

not somthing i pay attention too

tbh

[warm girder]

Regarding the AA slows (Experiments, Zskarn): Curse of Weakness doesn't stack with Numbing Poison or Insidious Chill, right?

[strong forum]

does stack

[warm girder]

(please be false again)

Oh it does?

Do all 3 stack?

[modern brook]

devo aura also stacks with atrophic

[strong forum]

i think its only 2, not all 3

[frosty mist]

vault always the same, kinda excited and when its open its hard to choose

any idea ?

[modern brook]

tokens

[frosty mist]

(opened in arm spec :/)

[warm girder]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/12q8rzn/psa_attack_speed_debuffs_stack/

You might be right - if it has not been changed since 10.0.7

So given full application of all 3, that would come down to 0.8x0.85x0.8 = 0.544 AA speed?

[strong forum]

should be the case

[frosty mist]

I can also use the catalyst for tier set no ?

[restive scroll]

I read an earlier discussion about frost vs fierce armor kit.
You people seem to say frost, but both wowhead and ivy veins recommend the fierce.
If i understood correctly the writer of the icy veins guide is around there, would that be worth it to ask that person to update this?

[jagged pier]

i mean @ionic fern is in here so it llarold so u can ask them

but frosted is a very very marginal increase

[restive scroll]

Thought it might cost less, can't check now

Btw, the kazara rare trinker is pretty meh for us, right?

[jagged pier]

it bad

[restive scroll]

Thanks just checking

[ionic fern]

The difference is pretty much non existant between the two. Use which ever one is cheaper.

[restive scroll]

That's why i was wondering whether that'd be worth to update the guide to reflect that

[ionic fern]

Good point,can do.

[restive scroll]

Thanks a lot :)

[gritty bone]

is there any rhyme or reason to the most upvoted WA suite for fury to have shield slam and shield block as the biggest buttons?

2/6 of the biggest buttons*

[fresh igloo]

well

they are important

[gritty bone]

guess im playing fury wrong

time to go put on two shields

[fresh igloo]

i guess they're trying to tell you that you should be tanking

dual wielded tower shields should be a new spec

[gritty bone]

one for blocking one for bonking\

[fresh igloo]

"this is my slammin' shield and this is my nopin' shield"

[left basalt]

pog

[gritty bone]

I really wish it was easier to get a WA suite that only had the essentials so i didnt have to comb through everything and delete nonsense like shield shit and rampage being available(when the rage bar changes color already to show you can ramp)

maybe thats just my preferences, i know its made to be more general purpose

[fresh igloo]

i usually start with luxthos until I decide on what I want to build on my own

[gritty bone]

I should really just do that at this point

[sick sentinel]

does a recraft count as an order

[gritty bone]

I also just realized im talking about fury spec in prot channel

[sick sentinel]

i could just take some bracers i had made and recraft them over and over for weekly points maybe

[rancid ember]

Just build your own. I look up individual WA's and add as I go along.
the packs are too much weeding for me to care dog

[sick sentinel]

save a bunch of ore

[fresh igloo]

for the quest? I just send 3 shovel orders from an alt.

[sick sentinel]

i always did blue or green bracers

and bolts

[fresh igloo]

oh you mean engineering, thought it sounded like smithing

[sick sentinel]

well, the weekly knowledge stuff really

im not as concerned with engineer

[cursive jacinth]

Quick quesiton: Does anyone use a WA to track the Tier buff gained from Last stand?

[real trellis]

ok i'm at a blacksmith cross point I have the Obsidan Seared Slicer crafted But everything i read tells me i should have the Primal Molten Longsword. I don't see a difference. can anyone help

[modern brook]

ones an axe

[modern brook]

you could but the buff isnt changing how you play. you're trying to smash sslam as much as possible even if it wasnt doing the shockwave - and LS is used on CD due to the cdr anyways

[real trellis]

the only different i see is the dps sperad is pretty high on the axe

[modern brook]

weapon damage is normalized in spell/ability calculations

the literal only difference between slicer + longsword is that one is marked as an axe

and the other is a sword

[real trellis]

kool thanks

[modern brook]

longswor dmight be cheaper to make since it doesnt require obsidion ingots

idk

[real trellis]

If i could dual weld two shield and beat people with them I think i would

[modern brook]

but making slicer instead will have 0 measurable impact compared to the longsword

[crystal mauve]

Yes I do, I make sure to position myself correctly when the buff is up.

[strong forum]

shit load conditions

[modern brook]

is the /reload after import thing still needed in a post dynamic groups world?

[strong forum]

no

[cursive jacinth]

What WA is it?

[nocturne spindle]

i dmed you one for it

[twin bramble]

Is there a specific 4 pieces of the 5 set we want to use if we have all 5?

Avoid chest due to the mastery/crit? Shoulders have mastery and the other three don’t, but at least it’s mastery/haste?

I think I may have answered my own question… 😂

[left basalt]

I have giga haste pants offset, so thats my piece

[hazy bronze]

UR has some crit/haste pants as well

[toxic pewter]

chest has vers/haste iirc

[nocturne spindle]

only pants dont have haste right

so technically wanna replace those

[crude notch]

wow you never dm me weeshy

wtf

don't dm me this isn't an invite, only guilford, nome, and ghash are allowed to dm me

[nocturne spindle]

too late

[opaque ravine]

We got any testin for the new trinkets comin?

[crude notch]

they're not on any vendors so that'd be kinda hard

[sick sentinel]

double reknown boxes

[crystal mauve]

Made it myself but it's just a simple Icon with the buff and timer. I can send it to you later if you want, feel free to DM

[twin bramble]

You’re right I was looking at wrong piece. So my question is, is it better to take a piece with haste/mastery since we prioritize haste, or crit/vers since we don’t like mastery? Haha

[urban portal]

arms APL is pretty behind

ill dm you

[daring marlin]

yes

plus arms owns

[wooden widget]

Execute twice then mortal strike

Assuming ep

Probably need to weave an op in there too

[urban portal]

prot execute is so fking weak now man

talent system kinda ruined it

[sick sentinel]

bring back condemn and there will be an end to the complaining

move something else to where beseker shout beserker rage is

have the "legendary" effect below condemn

[warm plinth]

All of our stats are fine. Idr the stats off the top of my head but if one was like high mastery I would probably avoid that one but frankly I never really give much attention to what tier slot is the "worst"

[urban portal]

condemn isnt stronger executes

its more executes

until pre patch

but yeah

[modern brook]

Legs are no haste so it's legs but yeah that's basically correct

You'd rather have teir with legs than not

[warm plinth]

Yeah that would be my call if I have a shit too

Gave

[proper roost]

i'm not crazy!! arms is undersimming!! ahh!!!

[vocal tulip]

Do you need to change talents in prot when you hit 4p?

[crude notch]

HOL UP

[crude notch]

The pins have you covered on this.

[vocal tulip]

Thank you much!

[proper roost]

ok i'm holding

[crude notch]

you can still be crazy AND arms be undersimming

[proper roost]

you have any proof for that statement?

[sick sentinel]

i need to get this mou nt

[proper roost]

😏

[sick sentinel]

237 tokens to go

[waxen frigate]

TFW Kanga hasn’t responded to my spite healer key still

[proper roost]

brother

you literally linked a tyr bh

bh is literally one of the keys people 4 dps

esp on tyr

[waxen frigate]

😠

Alright that’s it I’m setting a reminder for next week

20 hoi fort inbound

[daring marlin]

Zinc is the worst supplement

[waxen frigate]

I put lead in my water

[crude notch]

vitamin D||made u look|| is the best.

[proper roost]

it just didn't make sense to me that arms performance in raid

is like 10k higher than the sim

while fury's caps at like 90-95%

[crude notch]

not everyone is acrackhead apl person

some people like to PLAY the game

imagine

[proper roost]

the thing is fury is even simpler than arms, so the margin for error should be larger for arms than fury

[daring marlin]

Just soak up the sun 5head

😉

[proper roost]

yeh idk maybe people pressing wrong gcd during ravager as fury makes a bigger difference, but the disparity is massive

and it's not just top end

like ALL median arms parses ingame are much closer or higher than sim vs fury

[twin bramble]

Thanks!

[proper roost]

where fury parses are like, universally much lower

[crude notch]

why are you so shocked?

[proper roost]

i'm not shocked i'm VINDICATED

[crude notch]

it took half of bfa for pwar to get an apl

[proper roost]

how about u bofa dn

[daring marlin]

[crude notch]

apls aren't fully supported all the time, most don't get paid for it.

[proper roost]

just random patreon donations and shit sometimes

barely

i think acherus used to have a donation page that actually got a decent amount back in the day but "decent amount" = like $50

[crude notch]

yes

which means

exactly what i said

variance in apls

which is fine

[proper roost]

said dn

anyways

[daring marlin]

catchphrase!

Arms is gonna turbofuck Fury next tier when it has a tier bonus that ain't garbanzo

[proper roost]

i want them

to delete arms

and start over

[strong forum]

😍 my statue is unveiled

[proper roost]

bad designed spec

[daring marlin]

[strong forum]

You mean delete fury

[crystal mauve]

I like buffing for some juicy MS, what do you not like about it?

[proper roost]

ignore pain is cool when it's on prot and bad and dumb when it's on arms

🙂

[strong forum]

[crude notch]

i meant variance in how much each writer is going to put into it

[urban portal]

well variance is just how much procs a spec needs

variance changes between builds and such

[crude notch]

THAT"S NOT THE VARIANCE I WAS REFERRING TO

[crystal mauve]

I agree that IP feels weird. I checked a lot of sims and in all cases it’s about 1% dps (lower) if you can live with that you might be able to not ply with it at all

[urban portal]

thats a lot

[proper roost]

it's complicated, I don't think I can say like any one thing for why arms feels bad to play

i can say at least i think pressing aoe buttons in pure ST just to dump rage is lame, even if storm of swords whirlwind does pretty good dps as arms

(for tank it's a bit different because everything is a generator, idk)

[toxic pewter]

Arms feels better to play for me

[daring marlin]

arms>>>>>>>fury imo

[proper roost]

i mean a slower playstyle dps spec compared to fury, existing is good

it just has so many issues to play in raid

[toxic pewter]

Lol

[proper roost]

rly clunky in so many ways

[toxic pewter]

I will not be spoken down to like that by anyone

[proper roost]

for the record this is not a hot take, at all

[toxic pewter]

especially some furylord

[proper roost]

are u gonna pull over the m+ key for this

[toxic pewter]

I will do what must be done

[proper roost]

Please this is my last vault slot i just want to complete the key

your route is ok let's just move on!!

[toxic pewter]

Nothing worse than some furylord that thinks he knows what is best for all other warriors

talks down to arms players like he knows what is best for them

ugh

[proper roost]

what 💀

people just play whatever spec is best

[toxic pewter]

I know what is best for me

[proper roost]

i played prot in s1 because it was (reasonably) meta and the best warrior spec that existed

fury is like pretty consistently good for most raid bosses and even ppl who play fury go arms for experiments and nelth

hanging onto singular spec identity is weirdge

[warm plinth]

So play it. Nothing in this conversation is worth getting annoyed or upset about.

[toxic pewter]

I do not respect any fotm players

[proper roost]

apb is turning this bus AROUND

[toxic pewter]

Nah, just have had years and years of furylords talking down on arms players

its just awful and off-putting

[proper roost]

you have a weird chip on your shoulder my man

[warm plinth]

Who was talking down on anything?

[toxic pewter]

I have witnessed it

[warm plinth]

Okay but you made the comment in here

[toxic pewter]

here is an example from the other day #general message

[proper roost]

why are you offended by that guy just posting his random cringe opinion

💀

[toxic pewter]

because he is telling returning players false information

just like earlier you said arms is clunky

[daring marlin]

Fury players eat crayons

Jordan told me

[toxic pewter]

arms is a good, solid spec

[daring marlin]

I'm an important man, you know. I'm on a statue!

[strong forum]

Arms eternally better than fury can't change my mind. Fury is kaka pipi

[queen agate]

hello !

[toxic pewter]

hi

[strong forum]

Sup

[daring marlin]

based

[wary spire]

Fury sucks because the sound effects sucks

[last pebble]

There’s 0 chance subcreation has bdk at a tier and warrior at c tier. How do their rankings work?

[toxic pewter]

basically just popularity contest

[strong forum]

Popularity + Max keylevel done

It's not done by human hand

Just an automatic scraping website

And the week just started

[last pebble]

Interesting. I figured pwar was pretty damn good

[strong forum]

Nobody "pushed" on pwar yet

[last pebble]

They e had them at c tier for like the entirety of s2

[strong forum]

You can safely ignore those Websites

[last pebble]

V cringe

[strong forum]

If Andy or naowh played pwar in their 26s for a single day

Pwar would suddenly show up as s or a tier

[nocturne spindle]

you missed the like

first few weeks

where warrior was F tier

it was pretty funny

[last pebble]

I don’t even know why. Even dorki said that he doesn’t see any pwar but doesn’t know why because they’re pretty damn good

[strong forum]

Not popular

That's all

[last pebble]

I feel like pwar is actually the least popular tanks outside of S1

[strong forum]

Yes

It is

[last pebble]

Not sure why so fun to play

[nocturne spindle]

we suck plz buff blizz

[strong forum]

Pwar is historically the least popular tank when it's not considered overpowered

[last pebble]

I’d actually argue it’s more difficult to play at a higher level than other tanks

[strong forum]

It's competing with bear aswell for least popular I guess

[last pebble]

Nah bear is bis now

“Allegedly”

[strong forum]

I mean historically

Not currently

[last pebble]

Oh true

[strong forum]

Bear is very good right now

That's why it sees play

[last pebble]

And extremely simple

[strong forum]

It can deal with the new affixes better, it's simple, provides op group healing

[crude notch]

Everyone talking about PPal doing 140k HPS on Khajin meanwhile Bear already does it and will be doing more July 11th

[nocturne spindle]

also arms best spec cause stats are same as prot so i can be lazy and not regear

ayyy

[strong forum]

Bear healing will be nutty next patch apparently

[last pebble]

U can’t say that anymore you’re gonna start another “this stat is bis” war

[crude notch]

AtW AND fat regrowths

[last pebble]

I have my bear at 70 but I’m not farming annulet again I refuse

[strong forum]

You don't need to

[last pebble]

And all tanks need it

[strong forum]

Annulet will be nerfed by 40%

[last pebble]

I’m a min maxer

[strong forum]

Next patch

[last pebble]

I know

That’s why I’m waiting

[strong forum]

Why wait

[last pebble]

It’s my toxic trait

[strong forum]

You can just gear it rn

[crude notch]

My Bear already doesn't want it after X targets I can't remember

[last pebble]

Also I don’t have mage tower bear

[strong forum]

For warri it's 5 currently iirc

[last pebble]

And I can’t play that class without it. That’s the main reason

[strong forum]

Then go get it

[last pebble]

I tried 2 times and failed miserably

I’m lazy

[strong forum]

2 whole times

[toxic pewter]

why cant you play without it lol wat

[last pebble]

No 2 ways about it I’m just not feelin the effort

[strong forum]

That's truly lazy

[last pebble]

Damn straight

[crude timber]

hey 🙂 quick question, great vault rewards expire? if i go on vacation when i come back i can still loot it?

[toxic pewter]

mage tower easier now than ever

[last pebble]

My time is valuable

[strong forum]

Great vault does not expire

[modern brook]

Clearly

[last pebble]

But I’m more brain dead than ever

[strong forum]

You could wait until next season with opening vault if you wanted

And you can stack multiple vaults too

It's impossible to miss out on a vault, blizz made sure of that

[crude notch]

Bear tower is easier than any tanks too.

[crude timber]

Amazing! thank you

[strong forum]

It should be very easy currently yeah

But I think pwar and vdh are by far the easiest

Like literal smooth brain gaming on vdh

[last pebble]

What does p war get?

I did it on fury

[strong forum]

Nothing new

Bear is the only special thing

Everyone else just gets 1 armor set per class

[last pebble]

And to answer someone’s previous question, playing bear as an actual bear feels lame af to me

Can’t get into the class fantasy

[toxic pewter]

i see

[last pebble]

I’ve seen too many rag bears that have bricked keys to use normal form

I’m traumatized

[toxic pewter]

i think I am using that purple bear rn on mine

[last pebble]

One might say, emotionally damaged

[toxic pewter]

I was going to ask if you are ok

[last pebble]

That’s a loaded question

[crude notch]

what's the relevance of rag?

[last pebble]

Well any BR server

Just the most common bear Druid I’ve seen

[crude notch]

Ragnaros isn't a BR server my guy

[last pebble]

My whole life is a lie

I am noob

But still nonetheless

I stand by my original point

[daring marlin]

here we go

[last pebble]

😂

[warm plinth]

Yeah casual racism is super funny

[last pebble]

How was that racist in any way?

[sick sentinel]

i have done it 🙂

[warm plinth]

Congrats yogi

[proper roost]

grats yogi

[crude notch]

pog yogi

[sick sentinel]

no more repair bill till whatevers after DF

[toxic pewter]

grats

oh dang that repair thing im jealous of that

[proper roost]

that is a neat perk

[crude notch]

wtf he deleted it

[sick sentinel]

i fixed it, gloves is indestructible

[proper roost]

i'm so confused lmao

[warm plinth]

Confused about what

[proper roost]

yogi's deletion of his image

and then repost of the same image

[warm plinth]

Probably had wrong tooltip showing? idk

[slim dove]

Don't question the master.

Yogi does things beyond our comprehension or understanding, just know he is the only being keeping our reality from plunging into darkness

[sick sentinel]

i had to edit in the gloves

it was meant to be there in the first plcae

so, now, the only thing for keys gotta pay for is phials and health potions other consumables, don't blast 500gold ontop of that

[nocturne zodiac]

Do you have to manually repair every item? Or does clicking on the hammer repair everything? 🤔🤔

[silk kiln]

You have separate hammers I thought

[sick sentinel]

you have to manual it to each slot each time, but its like a 2 second cast at most, and the item has infinity uses

[silk kiln]

One per piece

[proper roost]

that sounds

so tedious

[daring marlin]

terrible

[proper roost]

i do not think this is a cool perk anymore lul

[mighty valley]

i simply don't die

[median tulip]

It is a bit tedious, but it does save a fuckton of gold

[sick sentinel]

nope, same master hammer, you are thinking of

thats the green version and dies on use

[median tulip]

More importantly, the green version can be used by anyone

Well, any Plate wearer

[proper roost]

it says it requires blacksmithing on the tooltip

[sick sentinel]

aha, i can sell it to paladins

[proper roost]

🧐

[median tulip]

BS1 tho; no actual skiill required

[warm plinth]

I just buy auto-hammers like normal people

[sick sentinel]

cuz paladin hits bubble, freedom, still dies

[proper roost]

why would i have one skill rank of BS on a random character

autohammers exist

[median tulip]

lots of people have 1 rank of skill in a tradeskill to access certain benefits, if they have no interest in actually levelling the tradeskills

[proper roost]

sound an awful lot like someone who doesnt have 90 min flask duration to me

[sick sentinel]

i have a jeeves or yak depending if we are technically outside or inside

[warm plinth]

You don't get the increased flask duration without putting in work in the profession anyway

You have to know the recipe of the flask you want to extend in order to get the longer duration.

[sick sentinel]

u cant mount inside, so u cant mount repair in all sections of a mythic + run

phials is super simple the way i handle it, if the dungeon is under 35 minutes i 1 tap phial, if its over 35 minutes i might 2 tap, depending,

oh no, im not gunna have phail for final 3 minutes of timer when we complete it by 28 or 24 minutes anyway in reality, so the 30 minute phail perfectly covered the dungeon, did the job exactly i needed it to

[warm plinth]

idk, phials should've stayed 1 hour duration if you're gonna have most of the dungeons be longer than 30 minutes

[sick sentinel]

there is a trinket that extends them, by how much on average in a key, i have no idea

with 90 minutes, you could have forever phials

[fervent herald]

where can i find thje bolster talents? if theres such thiung

[warm plinth]

Yeah but i'm not giving up a trinket slot for longer hpials

[nocturne spindle]

ya know

i just realized theres a search bar on talents

me smart

zug zug

[mighty valley]

it's very good

you can search for ability names etc

and find anything that interacts with it

[warm plinth]

Yeah love that shit

[proper roost]

alchemy phial duration thing feels p much mandatory on all the characters i intend to play at max tbh

30 min base duration is dumb

[warm plinth]

I just double tap phial in every dungeon automatically at this point on the toons I don't have the extended duration on

[mighty valley]

phials have gotten pretty cheap

so it's more a weird inconvenience than anything that they cut the duration

[proper roost]

ya its not about a price thing

it's just deeply inconvenient to have to reflask mid key

or whatever

it's nice to have one last for 2 or sometimes 3 in a row too

[mighty valley]

i just slap three

[proper roost]

i'd imagine for classes that like corrupting rage, i would get alch up no questions

it doesn't even take investment really to get the points for 90min flask

i have done like 2 weeklies on my alt and it has both perks for the pots and both phial perks idk

toxicology perk would take a while but eh

[nocturne spindle]

be meta as fuck and unlock full decayology and only use the posion potions

ez

[daring marlin]

Especially since you can't use phials in combat

big dumb

[sick sentinel]

i hear in the upcoming patch that we get transmog tracking

[proper roost]

phial dn

(i've never had to try phialing midcombat because all of my characters have alch ez)

[sick sentinel]

so if you have to go run, say, molten core, to get the drop it puts a map thing on your map where you have to go to enter the dungeon

[undone verge]

does curse of weakness stack with the dk shit?

im assuming no

[mighty valley]

nah, you just need one of dk/rogue/lock

[sick sentinel]

DK's overpowered just by existing once again

[daring marlin]

fdk slaps

[vague swift]

yes, it does. https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/12q8rzn/psa_attack_speed_debuffs_stack/

[undone verge]

lov u

[valid hinge]

so defensive trinkets are just ass this season?

[warm plinth]

Defensive trinkets are good this season, but as usual unnecessary

*Some defensive trinkets

[sick sentinel]

the worm boss is a 1 shot on a 13 this week

if she eats you

[warm plinth]

Have you tried not getting eaten?

[sick sentinel]

i did the mechanic, but i didnt do it perfect, so i got eated

i did indeed try that

[nocturne spindle]

i mean you can do it very imperfectly lol

jump go brrr

[nocturne spindle]

wut

what did you even do

[warm plinth]

You should not leap out for the initial cast

Just run out

And save leap in case the puddle disappears

[nocturne spindle]

oh puddle despawned

[warm plinth]

yeah

[nocturne spindle]

i didnt notice it behind the thicc ass tauren

[sick sentinel]

i think generally speaking my plan for that is run all the way behind a circle and hold W away from the boss, so that she drags me into the circle and i get slowed and i choose one thats close to another green slow circle just in case

[warm plinth]

You could've saved that but you should strafe into the other puddle, not try to run forward into it

[sick sentinel]

2 circles seems to be enough if the first one some how fails

[modern brook]

yeah but like

you didnt use the 2nd circle

you just watched netflix

[violet flume]

first time i did that boss i didnt even know puddles slowed you

you can avoid getting eaten by running leaping only

although i might have used highmountain bullcharge so maybe i cheated a bit

just make sure you run as far as you can dont rely on puddle too much i guess

[sick sentinel]

it was possibly whaever part of ff16 esfand was doing

was like a fraction watching that too

[clever heart]

When "Enduring Dreadplate" trinket goes up to 447 will it be good ?
OR will Treemouth brackenhollow trinket + Neltharion lair talisman trinket both still be better ??

the 1st boss of mythic tank tirnket. will it be good on 447 ?

@strong forum sry to ping you. one dropped for me in mythic and im getting asked to pass it if i wont use it.
and i super value ur opinion

[sick sentinel]

do you have better already? beacon, anvil

[clever heart]

ive got 441 anvil & no beacon.

but really more interested in how it comapres to other tank tirnkets, not dps ones

How would a 447 Dreadplate compare to 441 Talisman / Treemouth

[waxen vale]

why to consider a prot warrior for nelth lair

2nd bosses sunder tho idk how to deal with that

it's a big chunk

[warm plinth]

Everything else goes to 447 too so it's not going to be any better than now

It's a mid tier trinket. And you don't need defensives anyway.

You use dreadplates on CD for the damage

[sick sentinel]

i thought after a gear hits explorer 8/8 its done forever

[clever heart]

so how does it compare now then. all 3 trinkets @ 441 / 447 either way.
is there ever a time to use Dreadplate or is talisman just better

[sick sentinel]

you can't upgrade to, whats after explorer, adventurer mayabe

[warm plinth]

I wouldn't use either of them. Talisman is better as a defensive trinket though.

It's not even close.

[clever heart]

kk. Why not use them ? ithought in m+ talisman / treemouth were strong

[warm plinth]

Because you don't need defensive trinkets

You can survive just fine without them

Both trinkets are strong, but they aren't necessary

[sick sentinel]

only 2 downsides with talisman, relatively small bubble compared to other trinkets, and short duration on it, 15 sconds but high uptime

still, its the best like he said by a mile, you don't slow your self, you don't take extra dmg to get the bubble

[cinder marsh]

hey yall i was wondering, i did several trading post quest but it didnt give me any tokens. Any reason why?

[clever heart]

kk ty friends

[warm plinth]

press Shift-J and you can see how close you are to the next tokens

You get 500 from the normal visit the trading post quest, and then up to 500 more for filling that bar

[waxen vale]

earlier when i boasted about my 93k dargrul dam i was also asking about sundering on boss 2 anyone know how to mitigate that?

i tried reflect, didnt seem to work, whatever i did it seemed to chunk more than 50% health

it was a 20 and i worry at a 22 or so it might 1 shot

[shut summit]

you can reflect it

[waxen vale]

really?

like damaging him reflect?

or just DR

[urban bane]

Reflect dam

[waxen vale]

no way