I’m saying I feel like if you’re 2500io (keystone hero)
#protection
waxen frigate
proper roost
nah but saying "just heal through it" is absolutely trivializing it
waxen frigate
You should have a semblance of an idea what you’re doing in an 18
waxen frigate
nah but saying "just heal through it" is absolutely trivializing it
In this specific pack
That I’m talking about
That is the 3rd pull in the dungeon
proper roost
No u literally cant just heal through it u need to cd it even on an 18
healer mana cannot spend fast enough
waxen frigate
Using CDs is part of healing through it
warm plinth
I'm pretty sure he means defensives
proper roost
and he probably misplanned cds because hes new to healing high key
U can miss cd as tank and not have any issues on those packs by kiting instantly
It isnt the same at all
Literally completely different burden of responsibilities
I have had to heal through plenty of tanks last week not even cding through piercing shards in NL on 22-23s
Dont act like everyone else plays packs right
lusty grotto
is anvil any good for hunters?
waxen frigate
Dont act like everyone else plays packs right
You’re literally just saying something completely unrelated now what
proper roost
Ur claim is that its just as simple as healing through it
crude notch
is anvil any good for hunters?
only survival can use it but yes it's good
proper roost
again if u think its that simple roll a healer, heal through it
waxen frigate
If you can “just heal through” piercing shards on a 23 how can you not just heal through a single pack
daring marlin
yes hello what was playing during your last PR in the gym?
waxen frigate
again if u think its that simple roll a healer, heal through it
Where the mechanics are done properly
proper roost
Because I didnt lmao I had to waste cds on that every time for the tank fucking up
warm plinth
Healing 1 target vs healing 5 targets?
waxen frigate
Healing 1 target vs healing 5 targets?
3* at most
daring marlin
:^)
warm plinth
Does it hit the same 3 people every time? I didn't know that
waxen frigate
In this again
proper roost
and 22-23s are currently outgeared so theres plenty of room for mistakes
waxen frigate
Does it hit the same 3 people every time? I didn't know that
No
crude notch
what are we arguing about and where should i side?
warm plinth
I'm aware. I was being sarcastic.
waxen frigate
what are we arguing about and where should i side?
I don’t even know
All I said was it was wild that this guy couldn’t heal through the first 3 packs of an 18 halls
And apparently I need to go roll healer and experience how hard healing is
proper roost
ye literally having done that pack on fort as heals I know exactly why
toxic pewter
Healing is easy as hell I just healed a +4 on my rsham a few days ago
crude notch
lemme see the logs
warm plinth
You're dismissing a pack that is literally one of the hardest to heal in the current dungeon pool. That's what we have a problem with. It's not an easy pack to heal.
proper roost
Do a tyr lizard boss too, youll see high io healers brick it even tho its literally healing one person
toxic pewter
lemme see the logs
lol I actually have the logs probably
proper roost
on ulda
crude notch
not you apb
waxen frigate
Do a tyr lizard boss too, youll see high io healers brick it even tho its litera...
Lizard boss as in ulda?
Ah
crude notch
Nish lemme see receipts rn
toxic pewter
Oh lmao
crude notch
gdi
waxen frigate
Nish lemme see receipts rn
I’m at work
proper roost
that mechanic is literally heal through it and its one of the most cancerous highest dmg ticks in keys this season
waxen frigate
All I have is the pics I sent
lusty grotto
lol
lusty grotto
anvil dropped MM hunter got
waxen frigate
that mechanic is literally heal through it and its one of the most cancerous hig...
Can’t heal through a hunter turtling it tho?
daring marlin
proper roost
Also same with
first boss freehold p1
lusty grotto
and then a boe dropped for me
crude notch
anvil dropped MM hunter got
BUT THEY CAN"T USE IT
waxen frigate
Also same with
first boss freehold p1
That one I’ll give u
crude notch
lmao
waxen frigate
Because it just eventually insta doinks
crude notch
nice
lusty grotto
but apparently i cant trade the dumb boe
waxen frigate
Or if you get bad rng someone just falls over in high keys
But an 18 isn’t a high key
proper roost
Sure 18 isnt a high key but ur expectations for players should also be appropriately low
warm plinth
Yeah BoEs are only tradable on your server sadly
crude notch
let's be real quick rn 30% dr isn't gonna save you in an 18 if you eat some dumb shit you're not supposed to eat.
proper roost
Ofc a healer doing an 18 isnt gonna know the key, fucking none of the tanks or dps that I did 17-20s with have so far
waxen frigate
let's be real quick rn 30% dr isn't gonna save you in an 18 if you eat some dumb...
Single containment beam
proper roost
i have had to tell the route to almost every tank ive done a key with this season
waxen frigate
After stuns had already been used
warm plinth
I'm still blown away by people not knowing how 3rd or 4th boss of UR work and that's the easiest key this season 🙂
crude notch
Also I did a 17 with a PWar that had 7% uptime on shield block.
waxen frigate
Chad
crude notch
So
waxen frigate
Honestly I think my biggest takeaway from this
waxen frigate
Is KSM and even KSH are way too fucking easy to get considering they’re the main achievements of M+
waxen frigate
i mean obviously because you got it
Real
warm plinth
KSM and KSH have been too easy since they did away with it requiring the dungeon levels and never adjusted the score requirement.
waxen frigate
KSM and KSH have been too easy since they did away with it requiring the dungeon...
Yep
waxen frigate
Agree
waxen frigate
3K KSH, 2.5k ksm at minimum
proper roost
Everyone this season basically started at 430 ilvl of course this seasons io is easy
warm plinth
Plus they didn't increase the base scaling like they normally do
waxen frigate
I legitimately feel like any key below like a 15 is effectively the same
At this point
And that’s a big issue
Imo
There’s not a proper progresssion rn
It’s either “mechanics don’t do anything” or “you fucking instantly die if you make a mistake”
crude notch
3065 is current title cutoff for NA
dusky canopy
That’s it?
sick sentinel
ill be lucky if i get 2065
crude notch
wdym that's it
dusky canopy
That’s like 22s/23s
waxen frigate
That’s like 22s/23s
It’s a pretty dead season tbf
crude notch
It's really not
daring marlin
It is mostly 23s
waxen frigate
In terms of finding keys in NA?
crude notch
We're well on pace for having the highest number of R1 titles
waxen frigate
It definitely is
daring marlin
we have so many weeks bro
urban portal
It’s also gonna go up
daring marlin
it doesn't matyter
dusky canopy
I have to agree with nish on this one
daring marlin
It'll go up to 3200ish
waxen frigate
10.1.5 will change literally everything
Which is kinda a flaw in WoW patch cadence imo
crude notch
Your opinion is irrelevant when it's a trackable statistic you putz
dusky canopy
Yeah I was in the middle of typing about 10.1.5
Mid patch will help I think
D4 hype will be ending I assume
dusky canopy
Very true yeah
toxic pewter
Is 10.1.5 actually introducing anything for extreme gamers
waxen frigate
We're well on pace for having the highest number of R1 titles
?
daring marlin
I like seasons in diablo tbh
dusky canopy
I mean what do you consider extreme?
toxic pewter
Gamers with a capital G
daring marlin
mostly cuz of the mechanics and such
waxen frigate
There are 666 characters in NA title range currently vs like 1550 at the end of last tier
proper roost
all i'm saying wrt healing this season is, since there are actually major healing checks in a lot of cases
toxic pewter
10.1.5 just another casual patch right
crude notch
Is 10.1.5 actually introducing anything for extreme gamers
nothing more than 10.0.5
proper roost
just imo, it is a lot more punishing when you get healers that aren't planning for it correctly, and i don't think any other role is as punished
toxic pewter
Yeah they need some serious patches
dusky canopy
Dead season for healers yeah
toxic pewter
With something really difficult to achieve
waxen frigate
nothing more than 10.0.5
Ur shitposting right
proper roost
I think tank is the closest to it because yea if you dont go into high fort wardens in neltharus you get literally oneshot
waxen frigate
I can’t tell anymore
dusky canopy
At least.. it seems that way about healers
plush tendon
I just want more tuning patches
proper roost
But imo that's LITERALLY the only major mob that actually hard punishes tanks and that doesn't even happen until like 22-23+ neltharus
plush tendon
crude notch
Ur shitposting right
Are you intentionally being stupid rn or do you not know how to read
toxic pewter
What if I told you no one is shitposting
crude notch
I was responding to apb
waxen frigate
Yes and I’m responding to your response to apb
toxic pewter
Are these time rifts difficult in any way
daring marlin
proper roost
meanwhile, just using the HOI for an example
the first pull can sometimes need a cd, it depends on how long the fight goes and how good ur groups' stops are; like I said on low keys almost always some DPS eats the fucking frontal and thats as much damage as a beam
toxic pewter
Like do they have time rift levels of difficulty
crude notch
I guess if you think the megadungeon is something HARDCORE GAMER RELATED THING
then yes
proper roost
so ur healer popped a cd (reactively, late) on the first pack
Second pack needs a cd
Beams need a major cd
waxen frigate
I guess if you think the megadungeon is something HARDCORE GAMER RELATED THING
Augmentation Evoker?
toxic pewter
I mean won’t we out gear the mega dungeon immediately
warm plinth
@daring marlin your voice is deep af
crude notch
Like what
waxen frigate
How is a new spec not more than 10.0.5
proper roost
And it's like, ok, so your healer misplanned and pressed ascendance and AG on the 2nd pack
Now what do you do? As a tank if you had 0 cds going into a pack, you can kite immediately, as a dps if you misplanned cds the thing just dies slower
as a healer if you fucked up cds and they pull on a major healing check u just chain wipe
crude notch
Did you not read his original question
dusky canopy
Idk how much of a shared feeling it is amongst the community, but this season for me has felt bland. The raid was ok but no drive to farm it and once I got all portals dungeon drive plummeted too. Kinda seems like that has been a common thought amongst all my friends anyway
proper roost
ok i'm done yogi monologue ranting
crude notch
Or are you just being obtuse
proper roost
:hmph:
waxen frigate
I’m gonna be honest I might’ve missed his original question but like
daring marlin
<@145702969990578178> your voice is deep af
I get that a lot
waxen frigate
Idk why you’re being so hostile over it
proper roost
fwiw I think healing this season owns and is super rewarding but I don't agree with flaming low key healers at all. yea most of them suck but so do DPS and tanks, it's just way more dependent on healers this season
waxen vale
when you're crafting with people they make u say rank4 isnt that BS if you're paying for insight
crude notch
Ah so you're pulling a ruck
gotcha
Don't start shit when I'm replying to someone else and then play innocent
waxen frigate
Don't start shit when I'm replying to someone else and then play innocent
I’m not trying to start shit
dusky canopy
when you're crafting with people they make u say rank4 isnt that BS if you're pa...
They request rank 4 so they can proc rank 5, as long as they offer free re crafts until they proc rank 5 theirs no downside
daring marlin
LOUD NOISES
crude notch
Okay bish catch me outside howboutdat
proper roost
and also tanks for the entirety of M+ existence have always been varying degrees of op relative to their survival agency (which is a good thing tbf) so it's more than a little unfair to flame healers about it when they actually have major healing checks this season
crude notch
Is 10.1.5 actually introducing anything for extreme gamers
Bear is becoming meta. EXTREME GAMER MOVES
proper roost
I want to give that poor rsham in Nish's run a hug and tell them they did ok and to keep it up for next time
😔
crude notch
same
sick sentinel
the spec: all about angry defensive people who live off yelling and rage and literal blocking and reflecting shit, and the chat reflects this
dusky canopy
I’m a big fan of the idea that tanks don’t need a healer when played well
Hope they go in that direction
uneven mason
and also tanks for the entirety of M+ existence have always been varying degrees...
The healer checks this season are pretty fucked when they're out of alignment with the survival/damage checks
dusky canopy
Even more
proper roost
yeah having to heal tanks is stupid and dumb
crude notch
@waxen frigate ilu
proper roost
none of the healers even have good spot healing anymore so attempting to heal tanks through tankbusters like decaystrike is so stupid when u have a non ppal
Ur just like "I have this watering can for u" as they splash bucketloads of water on themselves
Feeling really useful!
dusky canopy
Yeah not a fan of the massive tank buster dots
waxen frigate
<@135532750890467329> ilu
dusky canopy
Mitigate a single massive hit or it’ll 1 shot you sure that’s typical tanking
But a 20 second murder dot!?
Lame and boring
daring marlin
no
crude notch
waxen frigate
toxic pewter
crude notch
waxen frigate
I want to give that poor rsham in Nish's run a hug and tell them they did ok and...
Tbf I didn’t flame him
He just left after getting slammed for the 6th time
proper roost
Well yeah wtf would u do
lusty grotto
i had an enhance shaman on a group last night
or was it sunday?
anyway pug enh shaman
proper roost
In week 2 I had a brackenhide 18 from my guildie and I charged into pack 2 and instadied like twice
It owned
anyway that group fell apart insta
lusty grotto
died to worm floor puddle twice on the first NL pull
crude notch
https://tenor.com/view/what-goingon-gif-6166237
waxen frigate
proper roost
Like right after I charged the second time with shield wall up and then everything hit me and I still died
lusty grotto
died to pelters, died to avalanche
we were laughing
still timeable key
left
gg key
waxen frigate
toxic pewter
What spec would Patrick Bateman play
cinder storm
Death knight
toxic pewter
Oh wait with the axe could be arms warr
waxen frigate
What spec would Patrick Bateman play
Fury or like sub rogue
Just something with unhinged players
proper roost
i had a spriest in a NL 23 last week die to avalanche three times (we only ever pulled 1 breaker btw) and he left after the third death
😔
coulda timed it too
toxic pewter
Yeah def arms warrior with all these annoying fury warriors around with their “business cards” always saying they are better than arms
crude notch
i decided imma play dps the rest of the season, then i can just laugh the whole time
proper roost
honestly i don't really care about people leaving keys nowadays, it's w/e, but
people leaving keys in week 1-2
When everyone was just doing it for loot and crests
THAT was tilting
it's like oh man this NL is gonna take 35 minutes instead of 33 legit who cares i'm just here for mark of dargrul
😡
crude notch
When Kexman tweeted on the 10th day of the season about how no one in his +10 knew how to do last boss of Nelth
proper roost
my first NL of the season i was brainlessly following quazii's guide and dragged boss over to the corner for no reason
The poor fucking healer man
crude notch
Despite being the tank that could take 3 of the items
proper roost
toxic pewter
I’m gonna play dps and just comment on tank routing the entire rest of the season
proper roost
i think even taking 2 items as tank can be kinda toxic on neltharus tbh
waxen frigate
I’m gonna play dps and just comment on tank routing the entire rest of the seaso...
I’m not gonna play the game and say the raid is too easy
proper roost
like the ideal is just that 3 people cast something once
onyx hearth
Is there any active talent that I can replace with a passive that doesn't affect too much the gameplay just to make it easier to play and less keys to bind? I'am not very good at having too many keybinds
crude notch
yeah i only do 2
proper roost
so the 2nd cast is kinda ehh late usually
waxen frigate
Is there any active talent that I can replace with a passive that doesn't affect...
Devastate
crude notch
league of legends
crude notch
macro avatar to spacebar
proper roost
do short races still have LoS issues on ramps/stairs
I feel like I have to jump/reposition sometimes to get LoS on forgemaster in Neltharus as a dwarf
onyx hearth
Is it too bad to spend every Offensive cds at once?
onyx hearth
I mean, every cds on one pull
lusty grotto
not at all
you want the buff ones to go off before the damaging ones
like avatar + demo off first, then shield charge/troar/etc
icy atlas
Should I open vault as prot or arms if I've got a 437 forgestorm and hero level zaqali trinket and hero level mark of dagrul?
In case I can get a better level forgestorm with the prot loot table?
lusty grotto
grapnel is available for prot
once again
the only TWO trinkets
that are available for dps and not prot
are
1- Anvil
2- Mark of Darg
toxic pewter
Can open as fury
icy atlas
Oh I'm stupid
lusty grotto
arms doesnt get forgestorm but it depends on what key levels hes doing
cause if hes not expecting something higher than his 437
toxic pewter
Do you need a shield
lusty grotto
so open as fury
toxic pewter
Yeah I would just do fury myself
lusty grotto
cause you can get a 447 storm
oh shit
i got 2 essences
after
running this dumbass raid for so many weeks
on 2 characters
lol
thought they were a myth
my 3rd boe though :\
jagged gust
easy 65k on my server at least
I got 2 back to pack patterns drop earlier today, 40k and 16k a piece, feels good son
lusty grotto
nice
i still havent gotten any of the dropable ones for my professions, but not really annoyed by it
toxic pewter
Are healers still gonna use annulet in 10.1.5
sullen gust
2- Mark of Darg
Prot can't get mark?
lusty grotto
no
jagged gust
i still havent gotten any of the dropable ones for my professions, but not reall...
Oh shit that actually makes 3 then, found shield of the hearth but kept it for myself for completionist sake
cinder nova
Your opinion is irrelevant when it's a trackable statistic you putz
Necroing this, but I agree with jordie, pains me to say it. Math > feelycraft
crude notch
S stands for STFU
cinder nova
malds even when I agree with them
proper roost
i think your hair is probably lustrous and thick
jagged gust
i'm malding so hard rn
rain is wet
proper roost
Huh
lusty grotto
what a guy
lusty grotto
yeah
proper roost
where ur character can be perma tracked
cinder nova
NGL I'm a little ashamed that I'm not parsing up closer to the mid-20s and higher in rank this tier QQ
I used to get 1 and 2 in Sepulcher now I'm washed
Can't wash if you never make it to the point to be washed
undone verge
<@439570560293273601>
whats up
cinder nova
galaxybrain
lusty grotto
hush 
waxen frigate
What's a good way to simulate AOE DPS for the purposes of M+?
Pythagorean theorem
lusty grotto
undone verge
I used to get 1 and 2 in Sepulcher now I'm washed
Im doing like 1s and 2s this tier, but surv wise I feel squishy asf in raid which is the opposite of last tier where I was tanky asf but did alright dmg
icy atlas
Word
waxen frigate
Shield slam 
cinder nova
At least you can just mindlessly hold your coolies for the combo
undone verge
I prefer M Rash to M Exp
1000000%
waxen frigate
I prefer M Rash to M Exp
Rashok is way better of a fight
undone verge
experiments is the worst fight ive ever tanked
waxen frigate
experiments is the worst fight ive ever tanked
Have you done Zskarn
undone verge
not yet
undone verge
they might let me be a bdk for that
🙏
on mitic?
nah, I keep asking but people keep doing it
waxen frigate
they might let me be a bdk for that
I was BDK bitch duty for Zskarn
Zskarn is the worst fight I’ve ever done
Not hardest
Just worst
undone verge
for the first two weeks the dps was kinda imbalanced and I had time to pad, but now they die too quick
the big issue for experiments for me was that I could never predict the dmg, and there were always those points where you just get mega dicked by the dot
waxen frigate
the big issue for experiments for me was that I could never predict the dmg, and...
Ok now imagine that unpredictability
Except with every single mechanic on the entire fight
That’s Zskarn
undone verge
then theres the fact that if you misstime clears before breath, or are far away from the tank with high stacks ur just dead
waxen frigate
Even then it’s a pain
undone verge
at least living on zsakrn isnt hinging on walking into the other tank tho, you can be and do whatever you need to too survive
proper roost
the visual noise of 2nd boss is so bad
waxen frigate
the visual noise of 2nd boss is so bad
Which one
waxen frigate
at least living on zsakrn isnt hinging on walking into the other tank tho, you c...
It’s hinging on literally just “will rng wipe us from one of four different mechanics”
proper roost
Me when trying to figure out where tf tanks are
lusty grotto
fucking pally
waxen frigate
Me when trying to figure out where tf tanks are
Ya fair
undone verge
rng wise yeah, but im talking about tanking the fight
lusty grotto
poor chipadin
proper roost
i just resigned myself to getting parried all of experiments because I had no fucking idea
waxen frigate
Helplessly
proper roost
where the tanks were
waxen frigate
where the tanks were
Don’t worry they didn’t know either
waxen frigate
Experiments is like
3rd worst of the tier
Zskarn>Echo>Experiments
For shittiness
Rashok best fight
proper roost
i think this raid tier will be remembered very poorly
waxen frigate
Magmorax at least is very tightly tuned on mythic
Kinda fun imo
Just as a good patchwerk
proper roost
Which is kind of a shame because I think the dungeon rotation this season is really good
proper roost
really bad raid really good dungeons
undone verge
i think this raid tier will be remembered very poorly
yeah, did you see max's rankings, like idk this raid has been really unfun for me
like sark is a top tier dissapointment of a boss imo
waxen frigate
I haven’t done any mythic sark
lusty grotto
i joined a BR group
and they are funneling those trinkets
jesus fucking christ
OH
crude notch
like sark is a top tier dissapointment of a boss imo
wait you've done mythic sark but not mythic zskarn, were you benched?
proper roost
is m rashok fun to tank? our tanks are kind of annoyed rn
because melee dps keep asking them to try different positions lol
undone verge
we actually already killed it, but we just didnt log
proper roost
all i know is our tanks eat lava waves for breakfast lunch and dinner
which idk if thats normal but damn
undone verge
if tanks arent having fun on rashok they arent doing something rightg
thats like the only fun boss sandwiched in between two terrible bosses
cinder nova
the big issue for experiments for me was that I could never predict the dmg, and...
Yeah, this was the issue I had, too. By the time you realize you're gonna die it's like 1.5 GCDs and you're dead.
For me I just assumed I was gonna roast if I got to 4+ stacks and would start screaming for big healing and externals.
You don't die immediately, you die in the 8-10s after the fact.
And if you aren't watching it, you're dead before you know it.
undone verge
Yeah, this was the issue I had, too. By the time you realize you're gonna die it...
yeah, about all you can do is tell everyone ur gonna die lmao
so they can res you quick
cinder nova
That's why I started calling a lot earlier.
I'd rather waste an external than chance it and die.
Since then it's gotten far easier to do the fight, but I know in the back of my head if I relax at all it'll kill me instantly.
It also helps our HPal just started to beacon and focus me in the P2 ➡️ P3 exchange.
I noticed a lot of my deaths were around 3 minutes to 4 minutes because there's an awful overlap where we're at high stacks and no way to clear.
And breath is happening, too.
Plus the add cleave.
A lot of secondary damage on top of the DOT.
I said fuck it and started clearing into 2 stacks of the raid DOT. It's manageable, but not ideal.
undone verge
yeah, every time I was hitting high stacks I was calling for healing or an external cause its better than a bres
cinder nova
How high? I legit would just start at 4 even though I knew it wouldn't be immediately fatal.
undone verge
6 or above
cinder nova
It just gives more time to the slow death and hopefully enough to let them top raid then come back to me.
undone verge
I ran the nelth trinket too so I could basically external myself
@lusty grotto what and how did he ninja
lusty grotto
ask moo
@astral atlas
why are all the prot warriors in these heroic pugs using BSV lmao
both prots on my paladin's heroic group are using it lmao
undone verge
why are all the prot warriors in these heroic pugs using BSV lmao
cause theyre bad
nocturne spindle
bsv zskarn tech totally
nocturne spindle
shh
lusty grotto
lol
lusty grotto
fair fair
undone verge
so he just turned off rc, rolled need then gquit?
tropic gorge
i'm kinda tempted to buy a mastery gem for the socket i just bought
undone verge
yeah that'd be good, can show my raid leader
floral kraken
quick lil question, pinned says shield is the most impactful piece of gear, is that mainly for the armor value? are there any other reasons why getting a good shield is prio vs other items?
like, armor rating -> strength with the class tree talent right?
prisma crane
block value
lusty grotto
☝️
floral kraken
does that go up? dang its not in the tooltip
prisma crane
there's something called a 'K' value that's baked into NPCs and it goes up every tier
shield is our only major counter to it
its night and day difference
lusty grotto
block value is only available from shields
ilvl makes that number go up
talents make that number go up
tropic gorge
block is one of the sexiest things in this entire game
and crit block is even better
prisma crane
and crit block is even better
i miss legion crit blocks
floral kraken
lol ok ok
im a fury main and so i just made a 408 shield to tank cuz im a cheapass
so this gives me some good context haha
prisma crane
got to 88% iirc
prisma crane
well 88% is more than current cap
tropic gorge
prisma crane
which isnt obtainable afiak against relevant content
that's block chance
not the block amount
tropic gorge
that low number is why i was considering a mastery gem
prisma crane
yea, that's what Block Value affects
tropic gorge
i feel my mastery is kinda low. i'm 433 atm and 4pc
lusty grotto
it doesnt matter
prisma crane
at that low its ok to get some more, but its not something we pursue
like, sims may have you increase it for dps, but for def it doesnt matter much
tropic gorge
ya ive not worried about it
prisma crane
all crit/haste
tropic gorge
but now that i look at it. oof lol
prisma crane
if you can
tropic gorge
prisma crane
i never even look at mastery
tropic gorge
yeah i'm almost all crit haste
floral kraken
there's something called a 'K' value that's baked into NPCs and it goes up every...
is there anything about K value in DF? The most recent thing I could find about it was a wowhead article from BfA
tropic gorge
itf was at 0 stacks in the ss
prisma crane
is there anything about K value in DF? The most recent thing I could find about ...
im sure there's someone with the values, but it doesnt matter really unless you just want to get into the weeds with it
because end of day all that we can do about it is ilvl on shield
just know that it goes up w/ raid difficulty and dungeon difficulty
floral kraken
fair enough, i just like knowing the #s
lusty grotto
unless you want to theorycraft for the sake of it, k-values shouldn't really matter, just get the highest ilvl shield you can (crafted is the easiest one, mythic Echo is the harder one)
prisma crane
the number will mean nothing to you
tropic gorge
crafted shield + shadowflame patch = a really good time
prisma crane
its a constant for an equation, nothing that directly translates to in game values by itself
floral kraken
and yeah a 16, for example, was fine - got super trucked in a 19 ofc. thought it was mainly just the key scaling but didnt know there was another factor going on changing %s for armor and blocks
tropic gorge
and farm nelth for pogstorm. i got one and its next level great
prisma crane
and yeah a 16, for example, was fine - got super trucked in a 19 ofc. thought it...
K is the same in those keys
floral kraken
ah aight aight,you just said dungeon difficulty but i guess you mean normal/heroic/mythic and not m+ scaling
prisma crane
iirc K is a constant for all M+ keys, its just higher in M+ than M, M higher than H, etc
yea
floral kraken
icic ty
prisma crane
just know that the shield makes you go from paper to steel
and its super easy to get a good one now
which is awesome for warrior tanks
torn gulch
man that triple pull after the bridge before the last boss in freehold on high fortified is actually cursed
floral kraken
that sentence goes really hard, btw LOL
prisma crane
man that triple pull after the bridge before the last boss in freehold on high f...
reflect the horsemans thing
prisma crane
oh yea i mean it's annoying as hell
torn gulch
tried the pull in a 23
prisma crane
but its also not too hard to kite
torn gulch
and it hurt
prisma crane
dps just suck ass at dodging the swirls
prisma crane
though tbf those are a bit faster than most ground dmg
and yea that's insta wipe lol
tropic gorge
man that triple pull after the bridge before the last boss in freehold on high f...
i pug all my m+ runs and i never triple pull that
torn gulch
the way i do is i told dps to bait sea sprout to one side of the bridge path and they can stay on the other side
tropic gorge
i try to split it and do 2 pulls
cause man. pug dps will jihad themselves on those packs
torn gulch
on high keys you kinda have to
tropic gorge
its like a lot of pug dps don't spec into survival cd's and just yolo everything
prisma crane
just dont kick the one cast, fuck i cant remember the name
they kill themselves with it
torn gulch
painful motivation
prisma crane
as long as the tank can survive it
torn gulch
is not as strong anymore
prisma crane
yea
yea used to melt them before
but now its just a single target right?
used to be aoe?
torn gulch
now is like 1% per tick
prisma crane
its still free dmg
torn gulch
it used to be several times stronger
prisma crane
and stops on the squal and other shit is more important
lusty grotto
fucking damn it
maybe i shouldnt have complained about my pally being lucky
at least i saw anvil on both chars this week
sick sentinel
is it a wild goose chase for me to go after mark of dragul
rustic tinsel
Reminds me of when I lost a 97 roll on Beacon to a mistweaver rolling a 100 
rustic tinsel
I’ve lost beacon rolls to a holy priest 3 separate times
nocturne spindle
is it a wild goose chase for me to go after mark of dragul
M+ trinkets dont exist
embrace raid trinkets
tropic gorge
my warrior lost anvil to an MM hunter
some things will never change
daring marlin
my warrior lost anvil to an MM hunter
I lost anvil to a ret doing half my damage
rustic tinsel
Somehow I always lose the beacon roll to healers 
tropic gorge
M+ trinkets dont exist
can confirm
lusty grotto
i lost beacon on warrior to a fucking mage
tropic gorge
trinkets come from raid and vault that's it
they dont exsist in m+
i got call to chaos and made a few dps angry
like 2 weeks ago lol
strong forum
is there anything about K value in DF? The most recent thing I could find about ...
k value always exists
in every patch
but as already stated, not smth to worry about or have in mind
strong forum
and yeah a 16, for example, was fine - got super trucked in a 19 ofc. thought it...
there isnt
floral kraken
i was just curious cuz the BFA article gave % differences in armor and block damage reduction in the current patch vs the next patch, thought it was neat
strong forum
K value is instance based, not key level based
K value is the same in m+ at all levels
floral kraken
tyty
strong forum
the diff is roughly 9% between each difficulty, and iirc 30% between patches
crude notch
Aberrus, the Shadowed Crucible LFR: 15,084.01136040024
Aberrus, the Shadowed Crucible Normal: 16,284.14333792718
Aberrus, the Shadowed Crucible Heroic: 17,625.4683029745
Aberrus, the Shadowed Crucible Mythic: 19,155.04824685068
okay so its ~20% diff between patches
floral kraken
oooo sweet
daring marlin
If we're counting shit ass recipes
lusty grotto
4 bosses left, already did sark
daring marlin
I got the 2H that nobody wants
lusty grotto
absolute jack shit on the warrior as always
crude notch
<@714890000189358110> get anything from raid?
gloves were the only upgrade because i'll just throw them in the catalyst already had the trinket but got this one with avoidance on it lol
daring marlin
crude notch
bow and bracers will be obsolete as soon as i get the aspects on this toon
last pebble
i want shockwave build to be competitive again im sick of using dragons roar
crude notch
i'm tired of you being tired
last pebble
im tired of you being tired about me being tired
if i play both fury and prot equally should i got crit haste on crafted boots or vers haste?
sick sentinel
eh, good enough, i cant be bothered to further trim
warm plinth
Why the fuck is your wow folder a terabyte
last pebble
prolly all screenshots lmao
lusty grotto
logs and screenshots probably
lusty grotto
oh thats the shadowplay thing
sick sentinel
its the same as nvidia but more user friendly
lusty grotto
yeah mine is fucking huge cause i do 15 mins
crude notch
Am I a bad person for yoinking this trinket that I already had just to get the avoidance?
lusty grotto
no
sand crest
if from a guildmate, yes. if random stranger, no
lusty grotto
lol
crude notch
random stranger
sick sentinel
no, but avoidance is almost pointless for us
sand crest
then grats!
sick sentinel
cuz, 90% of that shit if effects, u just move out of or DR anyway
warm plinth
Why is avoidance pointless for us 🤔
sick sentinel
cuz tldr is not good
crude notch
Good luck casting Bestial Wrath Yogi
warm plinth
Avoidance is great wdym
crude notch
That's like 5% avoidance right there too, I was happy.
sick sentinel
i did hit the drums in my key, but someone also hit them right before i did too
crude notch
Yo could you imagine drunk yogi
crude notch
@warm plinth did you open vaults yet cutie?
warm plinth
Yeah
crude notch
Got a pasta?
warm plinth
Got some decent stuff
I do but it's on my PC because I didn't post it anywhere yet. I'm comfy in bedge rn though
crude notch
bedge is good
sick sentinel
i thought the logic was and is that leech is best
cuz you just avoid the stuff that you can awnd then leech heal through attack
craggy pilot
just tanked last boss Halls +20 on Paladin, wtf do i do on the Squall Buffet, the melee were getting CHUNKED after i got yeeted
so weird
torn gulch
i guess horse?
craggy pilot
just feels like a weird boss setup, what do DKs do?
oh they can probably ignore the knockback nvm 😄
warm plinth
Taking less damage is always better than healing damage.
torn gulch
or you can have everyone getting out of mlee range when you're knocked
but that's not happening in a pug
warm plinth
Or you know, you just taunt right before squall cast finishes...
craggy pilot
Or you know, you just taunt right before squall cast finishes...
is it a threat reset?
thought it just hits someone because tank is far away
lusty grotto
no it hits whoever is closest if youre not close
torn gulch
boss is still tehnically on you
warm plinth
No but he will do the cast on the closest target. Taunting will keep it on you
torn gulch
aggro wise
warm plinth
And doesn't require pugs to move away from the boss which would be a weird way to handle something you can easily do
craggy pilot
hmm guess i will try taunt next time
lusty grotto
i guess its a thing that doesnt happen to warriors
since gigachad charge
but i really assumed horse would be enough
empty inlet
just tanked last boss Halls +20 on Paladin, wtf do i do on the Squall Buffet, th...
Bubble spell ward then bubble
That’s 3 intermission
vale escarp
i guess its a thing that doesnt happen to warriors
Spellreflect works against the knockback too
craggy pilot
Spellreflect works against the knockback too
you dont wanna spell reflect the knockback tho
the hit right after the knockback is 1.5mil reflect dmg
thats what you wanna reflect
craggy pilot
Bubble spell ward then bubble
ah ye thx, will try this, not playing with SpellWarding currently tho because im nub paladin 😄
cinder storm
you dont wanna spell reflect the knockback tho
I thought you could reflect both
craggy pilot
I thought you could reflect both
you can, but there is a Cooldown on Reflect 😄
its 2 seperate casts, so you gotta chose which you wanna reflect
knockback which you can insta charge back from, or a 1.5mil dmg to boss?
im usually #1 or 2 on dmg on that boss 😄
lusty grotto
Spellreflect works against the knockback too
yeah we know
but like nielsen said
fuck spell reflecting the knock
vale escarp
Now i know too 
craggy pilot
❤️
try it out, its the most amazing feeling
idk why but dungeons where i can reflect shit are just 100 times more fun that other dungeons
reflecting Ice Shards in Halls also feels insanely good
vale escarp
Btw since Taunt is off gcd could I use it in a macro with spellreflect and die by the sword for my Arms Spec?
lusty grotto
hmmmm i wouldnt do it
well
i guess spell reflect is okay, but dont use that macro on wormy worm in NL
vale escarp
I wont, but as an extra Button for like Halls or NL last boss this should be fine. Tanks should be happy if they dont get hit from some spells
lusty grotto
well if youre pugging make sure the tank understands what youre doing
vale escarp
Sure I will l, thats why I want die by the sword in the macro too
lusty grotto
and if they dont, i would advice against using it lol
idk if your defensive should be in it, depending on key level i guess
graceful kite
Btw since Taunt is off gcd could I use it in a macro with spellreflect and die b...
Dont
clever heart
hey im i wanted to parse & dont need to worry about survivability, what is best phial / potions for ST heroic raid fights
mortal brook
vers phial, ele power pots
nocturne spindle
i dont think theres a dif between regular potions and best dps potions
proper roost
ayy i got a heart of thunder
time to go fulltime prot
now i just need a forgestorm
chilly brook
I mean I’m a degen if he means we love going fast and doing big dam and are addicted to feedback loops
cinder storm
fair enough
cinder storm
kind urchin
Got a beacon in vault today 😁
cinder storm
Got a beacon in vault today 😁
fast knot
Anyone know if Life Coccoon will stop you from breaking walls on Neltharion?
Took the Calamitous and took a squat right on the wall haha
velvet knot
Thank you
Is the wowhead guide trolling or?
I was told earlier that dwarf horn is garbo
chilly brook
Wowhead guide isn’t written by anyone here
velvet knot
Ah ok
chilly brook
Llarold isn’t a prot main
Good guy but if you want a guide written/upkept by our theorycrafter its icyveins
sick sentinel
i might try out signoll flare again since i got it at 437
chilly brook
Nah
IV usually is pretty decent
Often times it’s the same person writing both
Or at the least the same information
jagged gust
I looked at wowhead to find the arms spec because some beauty of a druid carried my lazy ass through a +12 so I could get my 8 run vault last night
And it says to run cleave with T30 in mythics
so yeah IV is good stuff
uneven mason
I thought the common thought that icy was trash
depends, Mwahi writes IV for prot, and llarrolldddlod writes the shield monk guide for WH. I'll take Mwahi over BRM Man
uneven mason
And it says to run cleave with T30 in mythics
WH arms and fury are written by Archimitrios, you'll be hard pressed to find someone better at theory crafting
But he writes for what has the highest potential
jagged gust
Theorycraft all you want, learn to link the right fucking talent tree lmao
uneven mason
And that isn't always the best for gameplay
jagged gust
Sorry I should clarify, you don't run cleave. But the talent tree linked is wrong
jagged gust
I'm just sad for all those poor sweet souls missing out on some sweet sweet execute damage
jagged gust
Arms spins to win, so it's all good in my books
uneven mason
Arms spins to win, so it's all good in my books
True, bring back bladestorm prot
graceful kite
big true
jagged gust
I mean, we always have WW...
So I've been trying to work on managing my VO's, created 2 WA's so far for the proc itself, and one for 7 stacks of seeing red because I still manage to snipe it with a TC half the time anyways
I still have no idea how nome just casually weaves it
craggy pilot
i just have a WA that makes a lightning sound when its on 7 stacks
but man does it feel bad when you just sent a SS, and then get VO right after
and you get unlucky with resets
jagged gust
Oh dang, I hadn't even thought about adding an audio cue, good idea
craggy pilot
i believe this is the one i have
modified it a little bit though, i think the Spell ID is wrong or something to that affect
dusky canopy
I mean yeah you can run it man theirs just better options available
unkempt rover
i mean yeah I have grapnel and anvil
fresh igloo
use those
craggy pilot
"i mean yea i have the 2 best prot trinkets"
aww so cute ❤️
graceful kite
IS DREADPLATE GOOD?
Vendor trash
warm plinth
Dreadplate is actually not super terrible. I used it and it was doing 2.5-3% of my damage which is a pretty mid-tier trinket
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bdHBoG2bLY annulet users when 10.1.5 hits
toxic pewter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bdHBoG2bLY annulet users when 10.1.5 hits
LOL
holy shit that is most accurate thing I’ve seen in a while. Perfectly captures wow playerbase
🤣 🤣
daring marlin
common yogi W
dusky canopy
inb4 "Yogi thats not even remotely related to prot war"
daring marlin
Dreadplate is actually not super terrible. I used it and it was doing 2.5-3% of...
It can be 447 in 1.5 as well.
cinder nova
They do though?
Who the fuck is arguing they don't.
Are they mentally ill?
It's even better when they still ignore the data.
toxic pewter
people that dumb dont know how to read graphs
warm plinth
oh no, not 1 gcd every 2 minutes
proper roost
vindication!!!
GETTEM dude
please follow up with the sweet sweet crow eating if they admit their defeat (they won't)
cinder nova
It's ideal to stack them all.
Collectively it's like 45% slow.
That's nearly half the hits in a fight.
Even on bosses where autos aren't an issue, it still wouldn't be a bad idea if you were trying to maximize mitigation.
I can't even read it broseph
Oh, just one slow then.
Kek.
I made an aura to track it on M Exp to nag my locks
Same with chill and numb
warm plinth
Chill and numb is how I describe myself on dating apps
cinder nova
Get many?
warm plinth
Yeah, which is surprising since I don't use dating apps
kind urchin
Pugs today have been top tier. Some of the smoothest keys I've been in all season.
twin bramble
Same
kind urchin
Thunderclap used to effect attack speed. Does it not anymore?
cerulean tusk
What is Ksh?
crude notch
YOOOOOOOO
cerulean tusk
Jordan wanna fight, someone quick-quick, disagree or get angry 
twin bramble
What is Ksh?
Keystone hero achievement. 2500+ mythic plus rating.
cerulean tusk
Ye you get that 100%
main shoal
What to pick, im only 2 set
cerulean tusk
Take the neck, I am sure you will get better shoulders in notime 
undone verge
curse of tongues is the warlock thingy that reduces attack speed right?
fast knot
Curse of Weakness
crude notch
weakness
cerulean tusk
Cast speed, but ye
main shoal
Did you catalyst already
Nope, but have champion shoulders
i mean higher ilvl shoulders
cerulean tusk
fast knot
DK and Rogue can save your life as well
If your dk isn't pathing through that shit then they are boosted anyway
cerulean tusk
True
fast knot
the rogue I guess could run Atrophic for less aoe damage?
I dunno how that shakes out
Personally feel like less stacks on me is better than 3% less boss damage but I just bonk things
Save the mental computation for Raid leader and the healer nerds
cerulean tusk
Man on voice tell me to jump, I jump. I am raider.
pallid quiver
Based on oast experiences in this chat, listening to your raid lead's a bad idea like 95% of the time
The fact that stat isn't even that far up my ass is pain
Not everyone can be Sense, I guess
wary orbit
Not sure if it's been discussed before, but is the 5% damage taken increase make using Call to Chaos too spicy in M+/AoE?
undone verge
it's ok because the designer cleared it then nerfed it behind him
at least its not the old, Nerf the boss when the designer gets to it
cough cough Rasz
cinder storm
What if...hear me out....Blizz had a team of people that test things who could test raids with every class/spec before it gets released
warm plinth
@crude notch
Hunter: 441 c>m neck to replace 421 lariat
Warrior: 434 c/m cloak to replace 415 c/h from last season
Paladin: 447 tier shoulders to replace 437
Rogue: 437 v/m bracers w/ socket to replace 421 c/v bracers w/ socket
amber moth
What's a good way to deal with the dragon trash before the 3rd boss of HoIs? Doing 18/19s and the damage they do is incredibly painful
amber moth
the dragons specifically
Hmm. I thought I had tried that, how far out do you have to go?
ionic fern
Just step back / leap.
They won't move.
I can't say for sure the distance, but it ain't that huge. 🙂
amber moth
oh, well snap. That will make it way easier, IMO
as long as the DPS don't decide to try french kissing htem as soon as I do it
so....
ionic fern
Jeah. 🙂
warm plinth
Sounds like a them problem
warm plinth
Can't be mad about it. Pretty solid week
timid thicket
The gods smiled upon me, did one 20 key, 447 forgestorm
nocturne spindle
Also you can be lazy and just take spell block
restive crown
are there any tips for magmatusk? pugged like 4-5 nelt 21s and failed there everytime
waxen frigate
are there any tips for magmatusk? pugged like 4-5 nelt 21s and failed there ever...
What’s killing you
Or your group
waxen frigate
Are you standing boss in fire
ruby steppe
@restive crown don't let it stand in magma and don't take avoidable dmg, this is pretty much all you can do. If it still fails it is a dps or heal issue
restive crown
Are you standing boss in fire
i mean sometimes it stops and casts in fire while its moving to me
waxen frigate
You need to try to position better
But the group can also bait better potentially
If they fuck up though your job as a tank is to mitigate their mistakes
proper roost
Just don't be afraid to use the whole room
You do not need to greed positioning
main issue is pug tanks make it very difficult to bait properly
you really want him to be in the middle more, don't be right next to a wall, etc
restive crown
you really want him to be in the middle more, don't be right next to a wall, etc
hard to when its full of lava most of the time, dnt know if its a good idea to leap across the room to a more empty side
cause the other 4 person has no leap lol
proper roost
Well
First of all
walking through the lava doesn't really matter because the pool damage doesn't scale with key level so it's always only like 20k ticks
Secondly
I can guarantee you if you think this, your positioning on magmatusk is not good
it might not actually be the issue all the time, but it is definitely the issue sometimes
if you actually want to get better you just have to acknowledge that your positioning for magmatusk matters and, idk, go watch a high tyr clear of it
and don't assume you're doing shit right
assuming you're playing without mistakes is antithetical to actually getting good
restive crown
hmm guess will have to see a video on correct way to position
crude notch
or record yourself and realize you're not as good as you think you are
jagged gust
Alright I think I need some advice, I can't figure out the timing to dodge the shards from first boss in nelth, he seems to track me last second and whiplashes to my position, how am I supposed to avoid that?
proper roost
It doesn't track you at all
But the radius is large
Just don't go outwards. Like any radial attack, the closer you are to the boss the less distance you have to move
I'm guessing what you're doing is panicking and moving backwards and sideways instead of just sideways
which, as i said, it's a cone so you're just making yourself run further
jagged gust
Say I'm standing at 6 o clock and he starts his cast, I reposition to 9 o clock, he literally turned his body as the cast went off
proper roost
yes that's normal
jagged gust
Unless he repositioned the moment it went off?
proper roost
the cast still only goes to the front
jagged gust
okay so I'm just an idiot
that im okay with
I thought there'd be more of a attack animation, it keeps on freaking me out
I literally thought I was just getting lucky and avoiding it by a hair
but like mid cast repositioning the cast onto my melee
jagged gust
if you actually want to get better you just have to acknowledge that your positi...
Is there actually a decent source for full run tank povs? I'm finding a lot of guides for 20+ but they tend to gloss over a lot more than I like