so i did half the bosses with m+ build lmfao
#protection
modern gazelle
till i realized my rage was capped at 100 and i swapped it to st
think we one shot all the bosses i had m+ on for the most part anyways
i also didnt have bolster on cause i didnt have tier set till recently so i had spell block, and i didnt really have time to mess with it mid raid cause im not confident on all the swaps still
prisma crane
the raid is real simple up til zskarn
modern gazelle
yeah
cinder monolith
Biggest issue with nelth p3 is if the adds aren’t into the boss instantly
Let them fuck around getting a few stacks and you’re in for a rough time
restive crown
how do you skip this pack?
jagged pier
when in doubt just pull, dungeons are set up for pressing W
remote venture
You can pull that pack so you can skip the last pack in the dungon
upper osprey
hi just got my 4p and i tested in open world but i see no dmg
on detail
is it normal
what is the name of the ability ?
crude notch
are you pressing last stand and waiting for it to fall off?
upper osprey
ye
crude notch
Show screenshot of details breakdown
upper osprey
it just does not trigger
crude notch
show screenshot of deatils breakdown
hardy snow
have you pressed shield slam when buff was active?
upper osprey
have you pressed shield slam when buff was active?
no
orchid gulch
Then there's your issue
orchid gulch
Also, according to the details screenshot
Press more shield slam
Shield slam good
upper osprey
it was just test
crude notch
bro
upper osprey
i know
crude notch
Also, according to the details screenshot
that's like 30 seconds of testing at best.
I'm sure they know how to execute their rotation perfectly, they just can't read
🙂
upper osprey
I'm sure they know how to execute their rotation perfectly, they just can't read
that's exactly that
crude notch
lol
orchid gulch
Im certain that's the case 🙂
upper osprey
was affrtaid about mobs dying too fast in fact
before the 20sec
so i just auto hit
orchid gulch
Why don't you test it on the training dummy in Valdrakken?
crude notch
why do you give a shit so much
also it's infinitely better to test on actual mobs than dummies because dummies are well... dummies
orchid gulch
also it's infinitely better to test on actual mobs than dummies because dummies ...
Counterpoint, if I just want to see if stuff does something a dummy is as good as a mob, if I want to test something in action I'd put it into said action
crude notch
Counterpoint, if I just want to see if stuff does something a dummy is as good a...
except because of how dummies are coded, it isn't always accurate
which was my point
imma petition blizzard to change them to Isegrims instead of dummies if you keep this up
orchid gulch
Yeah, and that is why I specified two different scenarios
orchid gulch
imma petition blizzard to change them to Isegrims instead of dummies if you keep...
Do it
Let me know what they said
crude notch
there's no scenario where I'd trust dummy testing over actual live testing
restive crown
do you stop blocking as u fly up if u get hit by storming?
orchid gulch
No
Unless something gets behind you
Block is applied to every physical meele attack coming from a front angle
orchid gulch
there's no scenario where I'd trust dummy testing over actual live testing
That's why you test things live if you want live results and on dummies if you just want to see if it does something or how it works 🙂
orchid gulch
That's just a discussion about the usage of dummies between the two of us now
crude notch
it's really not
orchid gulch
Pretty sure it's got nothing to do with the original question anymore
orchid gulch
Eh, let's just agree to disagree here then, not that random opinions on the internet matter
real minnow
guys, how to handle the turbulent squalls in vp this week? did a few runs and always 1-2 losses at pulls....
orchid gulch
Those are the guys casting Cloudburst, right? Would say to coordinate your group's stops and interrupts there
real minnow
yes. ok, wil try it in coordinateed groups.... thx
real minnow
thats the problem 🙂
ionic fern
Best you can do is track their kicks.
Need to check beforehand if they are using them or not.
On the initial packs.
After you get that idea you either wait for the to kick something
And then you can kick / aoe fear / storm bolt / Shockwave.
real minnow
didi it this morining with 2 pala an 2 warri - nonetheless people died
ionic fern
😦
I don't even have D4.
Idk, still on the fence.
I did play some D3 but it wasn't anything spectacular for me.
Just some late night couch gaming.
Ah.
I did love me some D2.
But it's probably 80% nostalgia.
😂
Same as it was with WoW classic. "OHBOYOHBVOY SO COOL".
Then i leveled to 12 and quit.
ionic fern
cinder monolith
Never had such an issue with a trinket before than I’ve had with anvil on the pull
Never remember to bang the thing for a good bit into the pull
hardy snow
Never remember to bang the thing for a good bit into the pull
bind it to LS, similar CD, both are for making SS even more cool 
sonic tangle
Never remember to bang the thing for a good bit into the pull
Macro it to Thunderous Roar, lines up perfectly
hardy snow
Macro it to Thunderous Roar, lines up perfectly
only if you have Uproar talent, otherwise its 1.5min cd vs 1min, and uproar isnt taken in M+ build usually
uneven mason
And move
sick sentinel
Yaaaaaaa.................
Thing is anvil is nice and all, but then I still have to raid to get it
proper roost
there's a normal mode item out of timewalking weekly rn
sick sentinel
So unless rng from emissary, I'll never get it or have a chance to
proper roost
oh maybe i should do that on my alt
crude notch
Anvil feels so great on my bear, can't wait to get it on my warr
sick sentinel
So therefore I don't think about some stupid thing I don't have and will never get
proper roost
what does it proc off for furry, mangle?
crude notch
for bear it procs off mangle and maul/raze 🙂
ivory galleon
Is there someone who can check out my guild's logs and figure out what my tank is doing wrong? We're really struggling on Experiments because our tanks keep dying, but I don't know if it's a healer problem or a tank problem. I can post the logs in the log-review channel
sick sentinel
I'm not even really upset if I don't get raid trinkets, just tired of terrible dungeon drop trinkets, but understand why raid drops better trinket
I just think it's like you compare, rokmora a shifty trinket and compare it to raid everything in raid is at least 10x as good
crude notch
Is there someone who can check out my guild's logs and figure out what my tank i...
feel free to post in here
ivory galleon
we were getting seriously frustrated last night because of it, tanks were dying non-stop
quasi lintel
looking for a spell reflect damage anounce WA and can't find one
sick sentinel
looking for a spell reflect damage anounce WA and can't find one
I'm not sure if onr exists, you might get lucky on wago
quasi lintel
I've definitely seen other warriors announce they've reflected x amount of damage
sadly forgot to ask
sick sentinel
Spell refelect is such a strange ability
Barely understood fully by anyone
I gave up on reflecting crap at some point after telling dps I can reflect if I get in the circle or they don't kick and then they move the circle off me or kick spell anyways..... can't win...
Now mostly use as 20 magic DR
ivory galleon
hes running BSV cuz hes struggling to stay alive... for some reason
jagged pier
BSv aint saving him
ivory galleon
clearly 😂
jagged pier
Can literally say that without looking
ivory galleon
Bro battering ram gives you more attack speed... which is more rage for defensives...
jagged pier
Not for experiments
proper roost
Anyway also having some unblocked hits sneaking through there, really annoying to check unblocked hit % on Experiments though
jagged pier
It does nothing
ivory galleon
wtf is wrong with my tanks 😂
proper roost
also no DK for insidious chill kinda sucks
jagged pier
They are probably bad not managing stacks corrsctly
ivory galleon
we have rogue at least
jagged pier
Experiments suck yes
But managing stacks and keeping them low is literally 99% of the fight
ivory galleon
does that include when double bosses come out?
jagged pier
Yes
ivory galleon
cuz i know their stacks get insanely high when both bosses come out
so they need to clear sooner
proper roost
just clicked a few random logs and wipes are consistently due to 2 stack during p3 double, so yes
jagged pier
Its easier to clear with double bosses as both tanks have a boss
ivory galleon
so clearing stacks gives the raid wide debuff
obsidian grove
i would just recommend clearing as soon as the raid debuffs falls off from their previous clear
jagged pier
Like the last boss attacks faster so u need to make sure warrior isnt tanking that 1 for too long
And aa slows need to be up insta
proper roost
😰
jagged pier
There only one time when tanks cant clear and thats when he second boss is doing his oaoe thing apart from that just clear when debuff drops off
ivory galleon
and thats from the tanks continuously stacking right?
jagged pier
And mark the tanks so they know where each other are and u dont get that
ivory galleon
clearing rather
jagged pier
Yes
Like honestly double stack is fine on last boss when she breaths but apart from that nah
round storm
Hey guys how hard is it to get into tanking for raid and m+ ? Been a dps player all my life and finally feeling like a change
jagged pier
If your willing to learn easy
If not hard
And finding a tank spot in a guild ia impossible pretty much
round storm
Sounds simple enough haha Thankyou brother
Yeah I assumed for raid it’s impossible to get a tank spot
crude notch
did you get 100 yesterday @strong forum ?
proper roost
tanking for M+, extremely easy
tanking for raid, problem is the most valuable thing about raid tanks is consistency and just being around so like, it's always pretty risky for people to recruit fresh or seasonal players since they don't know if you'll be around in 6 weeks
crude notch
and most do
plush tendon
hard part about raid tanking.... always being available for raid nights consistently
M+ tank is easy, log on, look in LFG, log off whenever
strong forum
crude notch
poggg let's go
eager wraith
Can you block during beacon cast?
crude notch
no
eager wraith
good intel, tyty
ivory galleon
can someone explain to me quick how youre supposed to do the tank swap mechanic for Experiments?
im assuming swap at 5 then wait till other tank has 5, then clear
or swap at ~5, let other tank get 1 stack, then clear?
dusky canopy
You can clear the first time around 6
ruby musk
I've been taking 9 then my off tank taking 1 and clearing.
dusky canopy
Then you clear on cd whenever debuff has expired
ruby musk
Then just clear on debuff drop
dusky canopy
He’s talking mythic corentin
ruby musk
Then 5 yeah
dusky canopy
Tanks getting smoked at 10 stacks on mythic
dusky canopy
If a tank gets stuck with the dot while the boss is flying around they will need a lot of healing
Unless they’re able to clear ofc
ivory galleon
during double bosses, their stacks get pretty high cuz of two at a time
is this phase when you use big defensives to survive until the raid debuff falls off?
jagged pier
Right when theres double bosses they should be getting stacks at the same rate
So its jist clear when the debuff falls off
They shouldnt get higher than 7 during that
ivory galleon
we're getting upwards of 9
jagged pier
As they should clear before the second boss spawns well at least thats how it line up for us
ivory galleon
no dk unfortunately, but we do have a rogue
jagged pier
And a warlock
So u should be fine
Dks the 'hardest one to keep up' as u have to stack to 4 on each boss
Rgoue and lock much easier
I mean all 3 stack sure
But loosing one doesnt chamge much
So u shouldnt be going to 9 going to 9 is like no attack slow on anything
ivory galleon
ill echo this to my team, thanks for the help
dusky canopy
Who’s the monk gamer in here I can’t remember
Was it nish?
BRM having a choice node on weapons of order sounds nice
Hated that talent lol
modern brook
is that a .5 change?
sick sentinel
literal someone in this chat lobby and i know it
dusky canopy
is that a .5 change?
Yes bull on ptr
They get something like our devastater
Auto attacks replace tiger palm and it builds these stacks
At 10 stacks you can cast an empowered rsk or km
It also considers all the tiger palm talents at a reduced effect
Pretty sweet sounding so far
mortal ice
saw the video on it and it looks really good synergy-wise
craggy pilot
can someone explain to me quick how youre supposed to do the tank swap mechanic ...
on Experiments i tend to tell the Co-tank that we need to clear before the P1 Charge/P2 Swirleys/P3 Breath, otherwise you have a hard time staying up
so going 5-5 each usually does this
also make sure you clear right before each boss dies, so you dont get rotted down while the next boss is spawning
ivory galleon
thanks for the input
craggy pilot
if you sit with 4-5 stacks while 3rd boss is doing Breath, the healers will cry spam healing you
cerulean tusk
I just make sure we at least got a 1-1 going at all times. I never take the chance 
craggy pilot
just hate when you then randomly charge, and the other tank is just right on the path 😄
boom, 2stack raid wide dmg
but never been so bad that i couldnt save it with Rally 🤣
ocean yoke
The 2 stacks on raid didn't feel too bad, there's usually some chiller moments you can get away with it without much issue
cerulean tusk
Time to force 3 stacks, chill is not allowed
ocean yoke
I definitely did that several times when I wasn't paying attention and we were stacked lol
cinder monolith
you can even do stuff while it casts
If you press anvil and TC, the TC doesn’t cast until the anvil cast is finished
copper igloo
Hi can I get some tips for the mobs before last boss in neltharus. They are slapping me 💀
carmine bane
I feel like those packs are pretty reliant on making sure that your dps know their priority targets.
craggy pilot
Hi can I get some tips for the mobs before last boss in neltharus. They are slap...
Wardens are probably the ones slapping
just have CDs up for their Blazing Slash
or whater its called
sick sentinel
s.a.v.i.o.r W move
looks like the grub didnt get stunned and i pulled boss, actually had that damn robot work.
copper igloo
Is it magic dmg? That's probably why I have been struggling a bit
craggy pilot
its these 2 right? There is 1 Warden in each pack
carmine bane
Get rid of the birds, cds for ^blazing slashes, swap to lavamancers to break the bubble before too many small Molten Army adds spawn.
copper igloo
Yes
craggy pilot
Is it magic dmg? That's probably why I have been struggling a bit
Fire dmg, it is blockable with Spell Block
crude notch
s.a.v.i.o.r W move
clutch gamer
copper igloo
Alright thnx 👍
proper roost
yes it's mostly about being cognizant about blazing slashes
if you're chunked there it's because you didn't pay any attention to/preemptively mitigate them
and using cds after blazing slash is like
actively dogshit
craggy pilot
i never even knew there was Wardens in those packs, i just knew there was Wardens in the first pack of the dung, and i knew they were dangerous as fk
so i changed their nameplate color xD
so now i just see it everywhere "oh shit, this one also has Wardens, fuck man"
proper roost
yeah there are 6 in the whole key
2 at the start, 2 in the middle area, 1 after, 1 last pack
proper roost
Can soothe skip the last two though
Bit risky to do the middle one even with soothe but technically doable
craggy pilot
there is 3 more wardons on each side of the last boss
so if you ever low on %, you gonna have a bad time xD
proper roost
It's always a routing error if you ever have to pull those
They are extremely shit efficiency
Especially when the magmatusk trash exists
proper roost
No lmao
The magmatusk trash is the second most efficient trash in the instance and everyone gets a lot of count from it
craggy pilot
i would like to see an example of your route
cus the Chargath area is free as fk
because chains literally delete all the mobs
proper roost
They're not mutually exclusive
Everyone pulls all of the chain area, it doesn't give enough count to skip sides at the end. We already went over this, you do some insane pull with the forge monstrosities around Forgemaster that are extremely bad
those are not good pulls
crude notch
monstrosities are banned
crude notch
as someone who off specs as heals, you are truly hated if you pull monstosities as a tank.
proper roost
reminds me of doing 22 UR yesterday with a ppal who pulled TWO PACKS of maggots
(separately, but still)
literally only had the group live because i had SLT and AG going both times, at 5%
crude notch
I think every tank should be forced to heal one key of each dungeon with their routes.
proper roost
fortified maggots in 22 jfc
cinder storm
agreed
sick sentinel
under rot maggot or other, if under rott just stun/cc it
and it choses a player for its direction and hard channels at that location, so in those cases no cc move to it's sides
craggy pilot
under rot maggot or other, if under rott just stun/cc it
i think he meant the ticks
waxen vale
I like to pull the bottom pack next to boss with everything on that side in nelth
sick sentinel
yeah, ticks are much diffrent than maggots, if i understand correct, what ticks do is they, when they are low hp and dying, attempt to cast a conal at the tank that adds bleed
waxen vale
You throw weapon down and pull them up the stairs while gathering the 2 packs upstairs
I do that with both sides btw
Its a little scary jf the dps are nooby
But generally dont have any deaths like that even on fort 20
sick sentinel
those ticks are brutal, i reccomend pulling zero if you can, there is a viable route that invovles 0 ticks and you don't have to go rght after first boss
waxen vale
Half the time a dps but pulls tiks anyway
But yea
Thats when u health pot rally last stand and shield wall lol
sick sentinel
its best done with a rogue but im sure others can handle that skip
some mind sooth or some shit
SW is best option for mass ticks going off
waxen vale
Yea so healer might hate me too but this is what i do
Also pull the 2 lavamancers from the far platform in with the 2nd big pack before LT in that pripr room
craggy pilot
tried to make a route where i clear all right side 🤔
it got a bit weird xD
526 / 525 count
craggy pilot
needs either warlock gate to get back up after Forgemaster, or a death to get back to the start
craggy pilot
They're not patting
they do a little bit
waxen vale
So you want to kill those bottom 2 by themselves or with boss
craggy pilot
in my current route, i only do one of them, and pull boss after
waxen vale
Thats too risky imo
Ive done it though
But theres no way i trust randoms like that
Skipping the2 lavanancers on the platform by death respawn is def an idea though. They suck even when i pull them into the big pack before forgestorm room
Take forever to die and are annoying
craggy pilot
yea idk, in my current route i pull them together with the Commander, who gives insane % as well
idk feels like a dungeon with a lot of creative freedom
dusky canopy
I’m curious what season 3 dungeon pool is going to look like
Think it’ll be all non DF dungeons?
proper roost
no, never
cinder storm
If S3 is the last season would be all DF dungeons + Mega dungeon imo
dusky canopy
Yeah that’s probably what they’ll do
Or maybe they’ll do something like top 4 DF popularity wise then 2 legacy and the 2 from mega dungeon
cinder storm
I think it would be more like S3 some DF some prev expansion + half mega dungeon and S4 same thing but other half of mega dungeon
ocean yoke
Stormstout brewery , do it blizzard
cinder storm
When I read temple of jade serpent my brain thought it was the brewery initially, such a fun dungeon
I wouldn't like the monastery, that one sucks even when leveling
dusky canopy
I spent my life doing monkey runs when that was current content to get all my toons to 90 lol
proper roost
i just hope uldaman never happens again
this key sucks major ass
pretty sure they said somewhere they want 4 seasons tho
crude notch
Well 2 of the 8 dungeons are already spoken for in S3.
sick sentinel
group died to rupturing skitters
sick sentinel
i mean, we see lots of dungeons with 5 bosses
make the brd into 5 boss segments
4 dungeons, 2 have 5 bosses, 2 have 4 bosses
balmy canyon
Well 2 of the 8 dungeons are already spoken for in S3.
Unless we have a 10 dungeon season
daring marlin
pretty sure they said somewhere they want 4 seasons tho
Last season will just be all 8 OG DF dungeons.
:^)
proper roost
quiet minnow
Well 2 of the 8 dungeons are already spoken for in S3.
Which ones
proper roost
they're assuming megadungeon will be s3
probably pretty safe assumption? Shrug
idk if that's strictly confirmed
and i've heard some people say they usually don't put megadungeons in the rotation right away, but also, I'm not sure if that's accurate to a megadungeon being added in an earlier patch (even tho it is just a bit earlier than when 10.2 will actually be - idk didn't play bfa)
crude notch
So no I'm not assuming.
proper roost
assume dn
crude notch
No, different person entirely
proper roost
ok cool beans
see, why waste time watching boring wow media when someone on class discord has wasted their time doing it for you
🙂
crude notch
You're a safe assumption
proper roost
sorry to hear that.
slow shore
is it possible to sim my optimal stats for mitigation?
like how much crit do i want for optimal block chan ce
so i dont go ham on to much vers
mighty valley
No, defensive sims wouldn't make a lot of sense, there's too much variance in damage intake
(probably just a typo but crit gives parry, not block)
Besides, the correct answer for defensive power is almost always just "higher ilvl"
hazy bronze
And stacking vers in general is bait
crude notch
Not to mention good luck getting 8000 vers to make something in a +21 hit the same as a +19
jagged gust
werent you the one to link that vers breakdown yesterday jordan?
crude notch
Yes
mighty valley
vers
jagged gust
lmfao
crude notch
nocturne spindle
why are pugs pugs
other tank was mad on fucking h sark that i was pulling threat off him while basically doing nothing and doing 30k dps
how do you even pull threat at 30k dps
crude notch
Taunt
jagged gust
yikes, 30k is like missing every second gcd
warm plinth
How much was the other tank doing o_O
nocturne spindle
20k lol
jagged gust
big oof
crude notch
But then
jagged gust
were they in quest blues?
crude notch
That shouldn't be enough
nocturne spindle
i was basically just shield slamming after he lost it the first time
next yacht
I think with some good procs i can do 20k only with auto atack lul
crude notch
What was this even in? LFR?
nocturne spindle
heroic sark
jagged gust
lmfao i just tested it, 15k average with 22k spikes
mighty valley
just punt people like that, it's not like there's a lack of heroic pug tanks
crude notch
warm plinth
😬
crude notch
Nuke your teammates today!
warm plinth
I dueled a friend of mine in Brackenhide and crit him for 850k with mine 🙂
sick sentinel
you guys seew the cheat death trinket
nocturne spindle
my minimal angreh receipts
proper roost
Why stay in that group
And even argue
What do you think arguing with that person will accomplish
nocturne spindle
i didnt i left lol
i was just complaining since i cant get a kill this week since ihave to pug
proper roost
Pugging does be that way
The easiest method to scoop easy aotc and gear (though slightly later) is to join a friend's decent mythic guild and come along with them on their alts
Can pretty much guarantee week 1 aotc though likely with no loot, though it's a tradeoff for being able to easily get into good groups week 2 onwards, and/or you just keep going to their runs and they quickly don't need less contested items like tier
Been giving tier and pretty much everything except trinkets, ashkandur, cloak to friends, alts, and other hangers on for weeks now
jagged gust
Im confused, I have to play wow AND have friends?!
proper roost
yeah and you have to endure a horrifying scheduled quick reclear instead of pugging for like 8 hours for 3 bosses
An untenable situation for most I am sure
cinder nova
i was just complaining since i cant get a kill this week since ihave to pug
Kill of what?
warm plinth
my minimal angreh receipts
Lul did he try to talk shit on your dps that you were doing because you were half afking?
nocturne spindle
yupp
nocturne spindle
Kill of what?
sark
cinder nova
Normal??
nocturne spindle
h
cinder nova
Eh, H isn't that bad, just people are absolute morons.
It gets easier if you just move as a group
Because then you can predict where all the mechanics are, including baits
craggy pilot
Lul did he try to talk shit on your dps that you were doing because you were hal...
or maybe he is trying to be half sarcastic? with a thought of "tanks dont need to do do dmg"
like "your 37k doesnt change anything anyway" kind of deal 🤔
seems really weird regardless
warm plinth
Considering the context, it's pretty clear he was trying to talk shit. Despite the fact that Weeshy would have been doing a lot more than 34k if he didn't have to try to compensate for the other tank's trash dps
Would be hilarious if I was in that group because I do like 75-80k and often spend the first 30 seconds of the fight on the top of the meters on my pally 
craggy pilot
ye i was just guessing that the tank told him to do less dps to not pull threat already
which then makes no sense to talk shit about low dps after
cinder nova
I'll be real, telling your group to do less damage as anything that isn't for cheesing timed breakpoints in a fight like M Expy is cringe.
When I get cotanks that do shit damage and can't hold aggro I just tell them to press their buttons more.
Why would you want to do less damage on a boss.
warm plinth
I'm just curious how they didn't just yet the other tank who was performing like shit
cinder nova
Probably a friend of the group lead. I ususally see that shit.
craggy pilot
I'm just curious how they didn't just yet the other tank who was performing like...
might be a guild grp or something
mighty valley
my read is the other tank is mad that weeshy is "tryharding" and pulling aggro, then to try and back up their point that "tank damage doesn't matter" tries to talk shit on weeshy's half-afk damage
nocturne spindle
if pugs see "other tank dies" you dont really look into it much lol
craggy pilot
in the beginning of pugging i died a lot on tanking, because other tanks literally do not taunt
they taunt on afk by listening to DBM
cinder nova
Trufax
craggy pilot
Amalgamation Chamber literally no one knew how to taunt in between the casts in the beginning
taunting on Experiments is always a shitshow in pugs
dont even get me started on Rashok
cinder nova
Literally how, there's no shortage of swap bosses prior to Amalg.
craggy pilot
Literally how, there's no shortage of swap bosses prior to Amalg.
wdym?
its the only swap boss in Abarrus except for Rashok?
mighty valley
?
nocturne spindle
uhh
i mean kazzara has one
and thats the only boss before amalg
unless you wanna count the right side as before
craggy pilot
ah yeye ok, i thought he meant where you have to swap between casts
craggy pilot
I'm not talking about this tier.
oh you expect pug tanks to have played tank in the previous season? xD
mighty valley
amalgam taunt swap is pretty normal? dbm yells at the right time, they just need to not frontal the raid after
craggy pilot
i think a lot of pala tanks are FOTM rerollers
craggy pilot
people getting bored of DPSing or some shit
rain yew
Paladin is one of the most popular classes. Since they're strong you probably have paladins pushing into content they're not ready for.
nocturne spindle
oh
lmao
i checked his parses out of curiosity to see if hed done the other bosses
cinder nova
I had a Ret paladin flame me for not using his route in a 21 Neltharus while barely being 2800 compared to my 2750. I told him to bounce if he's gonna be like this all key and then he immediately started whispering me. I just threw it back in his face that he green and blue parses as a career and managed to get AOTC like 6 days ago.
nocturne spindle
warm plinth
That sounds about right
Lmao
My parses are better than that and I've done heroic literally once
cinder nova
Unironically dude did less ST damage on amalg than I did, and he's ret.
Like, bro I'm a tank.
sullen gust
So I got a question my dudes, how exactly does intervene work, and how does it interact with spell reflect? If an enemy is casting a spell on my ally, can I use intervene on the enemy to run to targeted player or have I got to find the player and use it on them? In either case, would I then be able to "face tank" the cast and use my active spell reflect to reflect the spell back?
cinder nova
Even extremely competent tank damage will be a good grade below similarly capable DPS
warm plinth
cinder nova
So I got a question my dudes, how exactly does intervene work, and how does it i...
No.
warm plinth
Intervene only intercepts physical attacks
cinder nova
Intervene scoops up autos and some abilities, unless that effect also can be SR'd for a weird reason and interfaces with Intervene, it wont matter.
sullen gust
craggy pilot
damn, i shouldnt have checked mine xD
cinder nova
Dunno what you're linking us the TT for.
blazing condor
:aware:
sullen gust
So I guess it's only like basics then that happen to be ranged
cinder nova
Yes, that's what we said.
sullen gust
I took ranged attacks to mean all attacks that would target a player, didn't think that was a wildly idiotic take
cinder nova
Spells and ranged attacks are separate.
warm plinth
Ranged physical abilities. E.g. powder shot on Eudora is able to be intervened.
nocturne spindle
only good heroic parse i have is echo and i think its cause the group just left way to many adds up lmao
cinder nova
Probably. Echo parses are all pad at the higher end.
warm plinth
damn, i shouldnt have checked mine xD
💔
blazing condor
where orang
nocturne spindle
look mah echo parses
craggy pilot
where orang
had Whetstone until today bro xD
my fucking trinkets and rings are dogshit
craggy pilot
Lol, apparently you should stick to war
im doing something fundamentally wrong on Pala tho i think, but then again im also not rly doing any form of rotation on it
just spam shit that generates, and spending power
quiet minnow
in the beginning of pugging i died a lot on tanking, because other tanks literal...
Which is just crazy considering the entire raids tank mechanics on heroic can be basically reduced to “weakaura says taunt I hit taunt”
warm plinth
What build are you playing on pal?
craggy pilot
by being squishy i mean in M+
this my build
but i guess its because Warr is just more passively tanky, while Pala is tanky in CDs, so they have to be rotated well
i always end up layering Eye of tyr or Ardent Defender on top of my Sentinel, and thinking "i did not have to press that, but for some reason i did anyway"
warm plinth
Hmm. Pretty typical though I don't care for seal of reprisal. I'm only doing up to 20-21 but I haven't felt squishy on pally yet
vocal nimbus
Anyone got info on why bear is gonna be fotm?
craggy pilot
Hmm. Pretty typical though I don't care for seal of reprisal. I'm only doing u...
yea i guess you using BOS over Reprisal
warm plinth
I use bastion of light
craggy pilot
ah ye i did in the start, but man i dont rly like that CD
do you use it for the Righteous uptime, or for dam?
warm plinth
Damage or rarely for free wogs during a shit group aoe
craggy pilot
was considering putting 1 point in Faith in the Light
warm plinth
I don't think that's a good point personally. You don't actually wog that often (relatively) and it's only 5 seconds AND it's only 15% chance to block. Lots of RNG with low uptime
craggy pilot
yea i only use it when its free mostly
15% chance to block sounds like a lot tho
when i can block spells
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uyc9bnoJ2SNpV4eZYJqXpf
oh lol, Bastion is more dps in ST xD
but idk, i felt like when i did Bastion, i would waste a ton of holy power
quiet minnow
Anyone got info on why bear is gonna be fotm?
They’re already pretty good damage and decent passive healing with atwf but they’re going to now be able to throw basically lay on hands regrowths every 20s as well
Plus they already have bres
And can handle incorp and afflicted
Solid stops in typhoon and aoe fear
craggy pilot
dont they have to leave bear to cast bres?
quiet minnow
No
quiet minnow
And roar is nice as hell
Oh and also innervate is very nice on some of the bigger healer checks
cinder nova
dont they have to leave bear to cast bres?
It's instant and can be cast in bear form. It's kinda whack.
velvet knot
I have a aspect crest and a spark. Should i upgrade my shield. Or craft a whole new piece?
craggy pilot
It's instant and can be cast in bear form. It's kinda whack.
does it even cost anything?
craggy pilot
Prot Pala one costing 3 holy power 🤔
karmic plinth
costs rage
cinder nova
does it even cost anything?
rage, maybe. I dunno, I play the real rage tank spec
proper roost
Get drogbar rocks
velvet knot
craggy pilot
you can literally buy Drogbar Rocks 398 on the AH
proper roost
well wouldn't be being recommended if it wasn't
craggy pilot
idk how good it is in 398, but 411 one is top 10 trinket right now
craggy pilot
25k rly?
velvet knot
yeah
craggy pilot
wow its 500g on my AH xD
velvet knot
:<
Back to my first question
I have a aspect enchanted crest and a spark
Should i upgrade shield or make a new piece?
nocturne spindle
upgrade shield
velvet knot
There's a quest that gives drogbar rocks.
bet i'll go do it
velvet knot
I also have a Mark of mastery
Should i wait until vault to craft with aspect and use mark?
nocturne spindle
mark of mastery?
ohh
the tier thing
wait until you need 1 thing left for 4 peice
velvet knot
i have 4set
vivid jay
i also have a question, what is better to craft overall ring or neck (non lariat) my worst item is neck right now, but don't know if it is worth it
nocturne spindle
ring gives you the free socket
so thats technically better
but they are the same stat budget besides that i think
craggy pilot
the cost of Enchanting Aspect Crest is so damn high that im not gonna make any more crafted items than my 2 Embelish + Well Fed
vivid jay
thnow i have this, what would you do? ring or neck
vivid jay
that is because i don't have sarkareth one haha
vivid jay
i also have an extra socket for ring, bad chamber this week... so maybe i do ring
vivid jay
i only have socket on the ring
nocturne spindle
oh
craggy pilot
none on neck?
vivid jay
i hate that neck
vivid jay
didn't want to spend money on it haha
craggy pilot
spend money?
how expensive is settings on your server xD
at least buy 2x Silver quality
vivid jay
now they are cheaper
maybe i should craft a 447 ring, keep the one i have for the nerf of the annulet and triple socket the neck?
craggy pilot
could do that yes
the socket you got from vault could also be put on your Crafted Belt
nocturne spindle
yea socket your belt since youll keep taht
nocturne spindle
i got socketed bracers
and i hate it
since theyre btter than crafted 447s lmao
forever stuck at 437s
craggy pilot
since theyre btter than crafted 447s lmao
how are they?
you can just put socket on crafted 447
craggy pilot
ah yeye ok
craggy pilot
i had Engi bracers last season
not rly useful for me
and finding Engineers to upgrade it is a pain on my server
and needed a place for Shadowflame anyway, since i have Well Fed on shield
echo egret
Boss 2 in Neltharus - what cuases the chains to bug ?
craggy pilot
you can shadowflame them
oh you can shadowflame the engi? xD didnt know haha
waxen vale
Is it totally crazy to pull the first two above dargrul, then after the pelting one is dead chain the breaker to th3 3 on the right befire the stairs?
And skip the Scorpion/pelter on the left
craggy pilot
MORE HASTE
more haste vs shadowflame hmm
craggy pilot
Is it totally crazy to pull the first two above dargrul, then after the pelting ...
none of them do pelter 🤔
like what pack are you talking about specifically? G27 right?
and did you actually try this? i was under the assumption the Scorpion packs were linked to boss, so you have to do both
but idk honestly
sick sentinel
???? what they are nerfing heroc 10.0 trinkets cuz ... reaseons...?
toxic pewter
Because most of the player base isn’t higher than 400 ilvl
These tuning changes are actually what matter to the majority of people
toxic pewter
Magmaclaw lure or whatever? Absorb Nerfed by 67% apparently
proper roost
yea its bugged as hell giga op rn
toxic pewter
Never even heard of it tbh
proper roost
was only discovered like last week
toxic pewter
I see
sick sentinel
WTB 1.4million death save trinket
toxic pewter
The trinkets in general seem fun
sick sentinel
cragshaper is really good
400k per minute for me
i miss when trinkets was 1 minute cd those usually tend to be the best ones i find
nocturne spindle
Pocket anvil is totally 1 min
sick sentinel
well, i don't got that one lol, dunno if i will get it
nocturne spindle
I like it even on mythic
Turns into a fun game of maintain your stacks
I can get it full stack through the entirety of NL except I haven't quite gotten it to stay up after rokmora
But I think it's possible just need better end of boss position
ocean yoke
I'll risk it all to keep that anvil stacking
sick sentinel
my fun game is make sure the eky doesn't complete deplete, im leaving that first one in
echo egret
I've had the 2nd boss of Neltharus bug out 3 or 4 times in a row now, where chains don't spawn at all, and he goes berzererk. I know it's over if someone dies with chains, but it's different there. Any idea why ?
echo egret
... and deplete keys
echo egret
I mean, is a bug that triggers out of the blue, or something special we could avoid ?
shut summit
vanish / feign / shadow meld have fucked it for me
but it has also been fucked without using those sooo
echo egret
pwell worth going for him first then, to know if the key is screwed as fast as possible
daring marlin
I've had the 2nd boss of Neltharus bug out 3 or 4 times in a row now, where chai...
Did anybody use any immunes?
echo egret
No idea
But I could see that bugging one chain, not all of them
Still probably wipes the group though
sick sentinel
vanish / feign / shadow meld have fucked it for me
i swear to god only 2% of the wow population actually knows 99% of what those spells you listed are capable of
jagged gust
Because most of the player base isn’t higher than 400 ilvl
wut? It takes less than a week to break 400, you dont even have to touch a dungeon for that kind of gear
toxic pewter
wut? It takes less than a week to break 400, you dont even have to touch a dunge...
Sir, cease being an elitist
not everyone has your skill level
majority of players do not
copper lava
Is this guy trolling? Has nothing to do with skill. Just doing the content?
I’m referring to you btw @toxic pewter
proper roost
But I could see that bugging one chain, not all of them
if anything fucks up one chain, he becomes unstunnable and pops the giga damage
so i mean,
yeah
it's not a guaranteed wipe on fort
And magmatusk is still harder on tyr and much likelier to brick your key
Tyrannical Neltharus is just spooky, it be that way
toxic pewter
I’m referring to you btw <@185160009074737153>
I am pointing out that a majority of the playerbase is below 400 ilvl, most do not care about ilvl like we do here
Not trolling pointing out facts
jagged gust
Not trolling pointing out facts
facts have to be true tho
copper lava
Making generalized statements without actual information and calling someone elitist based off of said opinion is not pointing out facts.
toxic pewter
Most people havent even run a m+ dungeon or entered the raid
proper roost
ye, retail has a ton of players that never touch instanced content
and a lot of new or casual players that do not engage with the seasonal systems (i.e. the upgrade system this season)
toxic pewter
most players are running around the dragon isles as we speak
just like doing I dont even know what tbh
but they are doing it
toxic pewter
most do the questlines and then just stop too
lol
like they think they 'beat the game'
summer eagle
Source: i made it up
jagged gust
Oooh, I still have my pet dream team from when the WoD designers were like, you wanna learn to fly? Be a pokemon master first.
toxic pewter
like that trinket tuning from today will affect more players than most tuning they do
jagged gust
will they tho? most of the playerbase apparently doesnt know how to equip a trinket
toxic pewter
? what you mean, they still wear gear lol
toxic pewter
It will help them when they are doing their questing
ruby musk
will they tho? most of the playerbase apparently doesnt know how to equip a trin...
You guys are getting trinkets?
jagged gust
? what you mean, they still wear gear lol
im just saying according to you they probably think they're shiny rocks for good luck
toxic pewter
I mean I never called them dimbwhitted or stupid
daring marlin
but apb if they don't do instanced content that means they don't know how to equip gear
toxic pewter
I just said they are not interested in the content we enjoy
Ok I will admit I had some sarcasm in there
thats true lmao
ruby musk
How to get shiny rock for zug smash if no portal content?
I would like to think "most" players equip gear and at least do LFR mistakenly thinking it's easier than norm diff.
daring marlin
lot of this going on right now
ruby musk
Wasn't that why LFR was a thing, so people could experience the story?
daring marlin
toxic pewter
I must find and speak with one to understand
craggy pilot
why would you ever ban anything based on people who dont do dungeon/raid tho, like "oh shit this trinket is too op, it oneshots this quest elite"
what?
thats a really weird take
daring marlin
why would you ever ban anything based on people who dont do dungeon/raid tho, li...
Come again?
Like Kanga said this is absolutely broken.
craggy pilot
wasnt that the starting point of this whole discussion?
they nerfing 411 because half the people are not doing M+ and Raid
mighty valley
their experience still matters, when they go from world quest content to group content they should experience upgrades
craggy pilot
Like Kanga said this is absolutely broken.
agree, and that warrents a nerf obv, but its a bit troll to say its being nerfed because people are below 400 and they shouldnt have good trinkets from world content
toxic pewter
it op for them too
frozen rose
Starting M rashok prog next week. Any tips? Talents to change. Obz CDs on the tank busters. Spell block actually make a difference against the flame slash? I believe I heard it does
craggy pilot
their experience still matters, when they go from world quest content to group c...
but according to the conversation, they never go group content
craggy pilot
but then we are back to agreeing that they are not nerfed because of these people aparently
mighty valley
i mean gear is a part of tempting solo players to try our group content
craggy pilot
Hey all, would greatly appreciate some feedback here. My butthole is prepared
BSV 🤔
Immovable Objectt 🤔
are you afraid of dying in a +16?
toxic pewter
no ITF with 4 set?
craggy pilot
oh ye HR with 4set xD
icy atlas
are you afraid of dying in a +16?
I was afraid when I was new to tanking, I definitely should remove it
toxic pewter
just use the build in pins
nocturne spindle
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KZ8CYh3Nrc9HygGR#fight=1&type=summary&sourc...
moreeee shield slams
craggy pilot
I was afraid when I was new to tanking, I definitely should remove it
you also have 4x SB talents, which is WAY overkill
nocturne spindle
you cast more revenges than SS
icy atlas
What's a good CPM
craggy pilot
you used Shield Wall once entire dungeon
with Immovable Object talented 🤔
0.8 CPM for Demo Shout
are you holding Demo Shout for Avatar or something?
mighty valley
watch your wasted rage, which will only get worse when you start correctly prioritizing shield slam/tc over revenge
icy atlas
are you holding Demo Shout for Avatar or something?
I do try to line CDs up
nocturne spindle
shield wall*
craggy pilot
I do try to line CDs up
dont
send that shit
on CD
it will line up when it lines up
craggy pilot
i see 23 shield blocks
thats because youre watching buffs and not casts
icy atlas
i see 23 shield blocks
That might be due to Avatar
craggy pilot
his Avatar is giving him Shield Wall
craggy pilot
but when running Immovable Object, Shield Wall gives Avatar, so you should use that shit on CD also xD
but dont run Immovable Object generally
unless you are scared of dying
you used more Healing Potions than Shield Walls xD
oh also 0.4 CPM of Last stand, when you have Bolster is BAD
icy atlas
Sometimes I was trying to save it for a bigger add pack
Cuz the current one was almost dead
craggy pilot
Sometimes I was trying to save it for a bigger add pack
isnt Freehold big add pack after big add pack?
icy atlas
isnt Freehold big add pack after big add pack?
Yeah I mean cuz the current one was almost dead and I thought I'd get more bang for my buck by saving it
nocturne spindle
the best way i found to think about it
is that you essentially get another cast of it on a big pack later
craggy pilot
but if you pop a CD at the end of a pack, and you move straight to the next pack
you can have almost 0 downtime
leap+charge can get you to the next pack even if its in Narnia
icy atlas
Word
craggy pilot
and only stuff like Thunder Roar or Ravager is maybe bad to send at the end 10-20% of a pack
daring marlin
Nielsen the condescending use of the thinking emoji is so fucking cringe holy shit
nocturne spindle
if you do it on CD eventually at the end of the dungeon youll get an extra cast of it and then youll have gained the whole pack of that cast and the addition of the end of pack cast you got before
craggy pilot
Nielsen the condescending use of the thinking emoji is so fucking cringe holy sh...
wasnt condescending? 🤔
this one was tho xD
i was legit unsure what the CD was with Tier
mighty valley
this def looks condescending lol
craggy pilot
oh that one xD
icy atlas
if you do it on CD eventually at the end of the dungeon youll get an extra cast ...
I see what you mean
mighty valley
i think my priority order of things to think about are
- just try the standard m+ talent build for now (check pins)
- prioritize your standard rotation correctly - SS > TC > Revenge, and keep your rage under cap always
- send your damage CDs on CD
craggy pilot
the way to keep rage under cap is to send IP, not to hold SS to spend on Revenge btw
hopefully you knew this
icy atlas
My brain knew it but my fingers did not
mighty valley
yeah - if you're worried about overcapping IP, don't ever think about that
craggy pilot
because SS is just top prio always
SS resets your Shield Wall + Last Stand
spending rage with IP resets your Avatar + Shield Wall
nocturne spindle
- rage spend does theee
whatever the free shield slam damage is
anger thing
anger management?
idk the thing for 200% SS damage
craggy pilot
could potentially track it, but thats way down the priority list
nocturne spindle
ye that one
craggy pilot
for now the list Harrow sent is probably main focus
nocturne spindle
its not to track
craggy pilot
Violent Outburst tracking i mean
nocturne spindle
just another on the list of spending rage good things
mighty valley
gotta spend rage to make rage as they say
cerulean smelt
when actively tanking a boss, what should shield block uptime be?
craggy pilot
when actively tanking a boss, what should shield block uptime be?
100%
icy atlas
Like, should I send LS if I still have SB up? Or wait until it expires
nocturne spindle
it stacks
craggy pilot
BTW, without HR, should I be saving LS to get more SB uptime?
nah, you can stack SB up to like 30 seconds with LS
nocturne spindle
you just gain more SB time
icy atlas
nah, you can stack SB up to like 30 seconds with LS
Oh WTF TIL
nocturne spindle
yea with this tier you should literally never lose SB technically
craggy pilot
Oh WTF TIL
SB stacks 3x its duration, + the duration of Last stand (if using Bolster)
craggy pilot
yea with this tier you should literally never lose SB technically
same previous tier tho
jagged gust
yea with this tier you should literally never lose SB technically
well moreso that you dont need HR to never lose SB stacks
craggy pilot
wow my pala guildie requesting a crafted 447 wep from me, when i know he has 441 Forgestorm
Forgestorm is better than 447 crafted isnt it?
nocturne spindle
not for pally
toxic pewter
forgestorm's rng is annoying a lot of people are just tired of it and want something more stable. in M+ more stats is probably better in the end anyway
craggy pilot
yea same stats but +300str is kinda big
toxic pewter
yeah thats the stats im talking about
sick sentinel
wtb hero chest and catalyst
then i have to start working on aspects crests at some point
craggy pilot
just simmed my guildie, and its -1.6% dps in ST, and +1.3% in 5 target to replace Forgestorm with 447 crafted
yea thats what i always go for
but i guess not having forgestorm is better for surviveability
and im 100% my guildie doesnt build for dps
yeye he is Prot Pala, so idk
was just confused of the incoming craft order when he had 441 Forgestorm
sick sentinel
this is the unfinished transmog i want to go with
i don't have the cloak or the correct shield yet
normal sennath
THIS is what i mean when i say fire cloak
the fire cape was so fucking huge of a deal in RS
that my friend RMT'd to get it, shared his account at the time
it was the biggest news ever
daring marlin
mooo
cinder storm
Probably with a pull into vanish
toxic pewter
can get a rogue/night elf to pull and vanish/shadowmeld i guess but sort of annoying
craggy pilot
yea ok so need some kind of thing to skip it
toxic pewter
if you are doing it in a pug it will prob just go badly
i guess invis pots can work too? I think?
craggy pilot
yea so guess ill keep him in my route :<
toxic pewter
or he prob sees invis
craggy pilot
is it a "do him alone" angle, or should i pull him with the 2 stealthies?
cinder storm
Yeah it's better not to try with pugs
toxic pewter
i always pull with the stealthies personally
astral whale
fierce
sick sentinel
blizzard sending out surveys in your emails
hard isle
Forgestorm, or crafted sword?
ocean yoke
It's the evoker Visage thing for worgen iirc
oblique quarry
ocean yoke
Turn into human out of combat if you want
modern gazelle
one more to go! fullly pugged
i want AOTC this week cause im gonna be gone for 2 weeks
also it would just be cool to get AOTC within 2 weeks of getting back into the game lol
gotta go out to dinner though so gotta wait on sark, hopefully i can get a good group for it though cause pugging sark on heroic sounds like pain
little fulcrum
what is ST
nocturne spindle
fun times ahead
modern gazelle
what is ST
single target
lusty grotto
goddamn i hate looking for mentions in discord sometimes
warm plinth
🤔 just click the inbox icon weirdo
modern gazelle
goddamn i hate looking for mentions in discord sometimes
lusty grotto
🤔 just click the inbox icon weirdo
yeah except when you have other discords with auto notify for certain things (looking at fucking ffxiv hunts discord)
lusty grotto
yeah
modern gazelle
also mute every discord ever fuck that jazz lmao
i mute all notifications of every discord
modern gazelle
only @me never @ role or @ everyone
lusty grotto
that being said, the discords that use @ everyone can eat a bag of dicks