protection

[unique kelp]

This is a good response from Jakey:
#protection message

Here from Nome:
#protection message

[daring marlin]

7100 haste is probably the too much stop

[tranquil sphinx]

thanks i'll check those out in a min

[daring marlin]

which would be 40%

[unique kelp]

Yeah, that's general consensus, @tranquil sphinx (40% unbuffed), so good luck getting there.

[tranquil sphinx]

haha

[toxic pewter]

augmentation evoker getting a rally with 2 charges and on a better cooldown than ours. buffs 5 people so in group content its a lot better. lol why even bring a warrior anymore

[tranquil sphinx]

10.2 got it

[unique kelp]

Why bring a warrior? Who else is gonna slam the mobs in the face with a shield? They gotta learn somehow...

[toxic pewter]

just really awkward they are giving the new spec one of our main utility abilities that is better

[tropic plank]

Anyone used the Homeland Raid Trinket? If so how do you generally use it wrt avoiding the damage? Walk backwards, dragging the pack into the AoEs?

[unique kelp]

I'm no expert, but I just move in a circle, spinny strafe.

[unique kelp]

This means we're gonna get a "BRez Shout", right? Akin to "GET UP YOU MAGGOT".

[toxic pewter]

?

[unique kelp]

Wishful thinking

Just ask Warlocks what happened when DH's stole their class identity...

[toxic pewter]

I am talking about a concrete situation... rally has always been a unique piece of utility for warrior. I think it is important to at least discuss losing this to the new spec. Especially when the new ability is 2 charges and on a lower cooldown

not sure what you are talking about

[urban portal]

Well the problem with aug is that

They are tuned like shit in m+

In raid you get to buff 4 dps

In m+ you buff 2 dps

[unique kelp]

I was just making a joke. I don't really have anything to say about the new Evoker. If it's bad enough, they'll adjust it. My guess is all of the cool utility will be "OP" and get nerfed/removed, a-la Rogue CDR talent.

[urban portal]

It’s ok if they have that level of utility

At least for now

Because they do NOT bring numbers

[toxic pewter]

ohhh nvm they nerfed it.. its 12.5% max gp to 5 people

thank god

[urban portal]

Then they are probably not playable in m+

Only raid

[toxic pewter]

talking about these talents

they will def be playable and played in m+

I mean time will tell though thats true

[urban portal]

Like I said

They bring absolute dogshit damage

Currently

I’m not sure what the tuning is like

But buffing 2 dps in m+ is not enough

Their 2 minute cd is also booty

[toxic pewter]

Time will tell

but I highly suspect their new spec will be tuned to be played

[crude notch]

If they don't get giga buffed they ain't getting played

[toxic pewter]

They def gonna be played

[urban portal]

We have told you time and time that utility is the last thing to consider in m+

Your numbers are what matters

Dps are doing like 120k right now

[toxic pewter]

lol the tanks are all close... so utility definitely matters

[urban portal]

Yes is Aug a tank?

[toxic pewter]

?

[urban portal]

Secret 4th spec?

[crude notch]

yes but utility from a tank and utility from a dps are two different things

[toxic pewter]

its group utility..

[urban portal]

We are talking about Aug evoker rn

And they also stack

[toxic pewter]

I am talkign about them getting a rallying

[crude notch]

You still have to do damage to time a key

[urban portal]

So you can stack 2 rallies

If push comes to shove

[toxic pewter]

Its just awkward to find that a unique piece of group utility is being given to the new spec

especially during a time when we are considered the weakest group utility tank

when all tank dps is so close

[crude notch]

you're really shocked that the new SUPPORT spec is getting something that is unique to one other class?

[urban portal]

At it’s current tuning you may as well just pull smaller

[toxic pewter]

Its definitely awkward, never said it is shocking

[quiet minnow]

Should’ve come out with 4 support specs at once

[urban portal]

And not take aug

[toxic pewter]

Just find it awkward they will have a better rallying than us in group content. 2 charges on a shorter cd

[crude notch]

you played yourself if you didn't see this coming

[quiet minnow]

But imo dps is really the only thing that matters in keys. In keys with huge dps it doesn’t matter what goes wrong shit dies fast enough that you can recover from anything

Dps solves all problems 🙂

[toxic pewter]

its just really poor to take away one of the most differentiating pieces of utility we have ever had

[urban portal]

Because like I said, aug is bad in group content currently

[toxic pewter]

Lol dude

its not even out yet?

[urban portal]

So stealing some utility isn’t gonna push them to top tier

[sick sentinel]

321

[toxic pewter]

of course it will be played

[sick sentinel]

i ran lair so many times im revered now

[urban portal]

It’s gonna be played because it’s new

[toxic pewter]

What world do you live in where the new spec is going to be tuned poorly at launch

[urban portal]

Not because they are insanely good

[quiet minnow]

Devoker wasn’t that good

[urban portal]

? Devoker needed like 3-4 buffs to be good

[toxic pewter]

This is different though its basically a new role

[cinder marsh]

hey how do yall get the renascent shadowflame to convert gear to tier gear?

[urban portal]

The tuning is gonna be wild either way

[crude notch]

except it's taking a dps slot so it's just gonna be treated as a dps

[urban portal]

And it’s not looking good

[toxic pewter]

but time will tell

[urban portal]

They are gonna band aid it for sure

Like sins of the many for disc

That’s gonna be the m+ band aid

[quiet minnow]

If it is bad on release they will buff it till it’s broken and it will be mandatory

[toxic pewter]

if they flop the launch of support spec it will be a huge blow

[quiet minnow]

There’s really no middle ground for it unfortunately

[cinder marsh]

hey how do yall get the renascent shadowflame?

[urban portal]

It’s gonna be great in raid

Not great in m+

[quiet minnow]

It has to be good enough to bring, and if it’s good enough to bring then you’re going to want to always bring it

[quiet minnow]

Ya can’t wait for 5 evokers in 20 man raid lol

[crude notch]

?

[quiet minnow]

Rip to the zenith boys

[crude notch]

you literally just go to the catalyst

[urban portal]

I’m suspecting 3

[crystal mauve]

While we are on the subject of screaming to have people do things in our group, can we hope one day to have lust?

[urban portal]

But yeah I get you

[cinder marsh]

yea but it cost renascent shadowflame to convert

its a currency

[crude notch]

no it doesn't

[urban portal]

You get 1 per week

[crude notch]

you can only convert one piece a week so if you already converted one you're done for the week

[cinder marsh]

oh so its not like last season where you can have multiple or get from the quest from lizard guy

[urban portal]

Well you still only got one last season

It’s just that it was behind a quest

One per week

[crude notch]

you only got one a week last season too

they just compile

[gritty ether]

Hey dudes, I’m going from DPS to tanking as my guilds OT is getting a schedule change. I have a lot of experience as a prot warrior and a blood DK and I just wanted your guys input on how prot is feelin in raid atm. I enjoy both for what it’s worth.

[cinder marsh]

yea but last season they stacked for every 70 character u got

[crude notch]

each character

gets one a week

just like last season

[cinder marsh]

ok well thanks for the info

[crude notch]

like it's no different than last season except you don't have to do the stupid fill the bar quest

[crystal mauve]

Play DK if you can in this raid, it's really not prot warrior friendly. It's fine for heroic but your will get your ass clapped in Mythic*

[urban portal]

Dk shits on physical dots

[unique kelp]

I assume it still stacks to a max number?

[daring marlin]

rookie numbers yogi

[gritty ether]

I see, yeah they came to me cuz they knew I had tanked previously on both of those specs. We also would have 0 warriors in raid at that point and I’m unsure if losing rally/bshout is a massive oof

[crude notch]

yeah i think i remember seeing there's a max

still

[crystal mauve]

I would find a DPS warrior and bring you as a DK, it will make the raiding much more ejoyable/easy ofr everyone 🙂 I had to stay on my warrior cause we didn't have any battle shout. the first 5 bosses are fine as a warrior but it would be much easier as a Dk overall.

[daring marlin]

yes, I posted your runs

[unique kelp]

I hadn't seen a discussion about it, so I'm just assuming it's the same as before. 8, I think?

Or is it 6?

[proper roost]

losing rally is irrelevant but losing bshout for a minor tank upgrade won't be worth

[sick sentinel]

oh, i thought they were yours

[proper roost]

esp if ur just doing heroic and early mythic

if u enjoy bdk more though play that

[gritty ether]

Yeah we lost our OT right before entering mythic. I’m interested in why DKs shit on phys dots? I always felt like slow creeping damage was obnoxious as we don’t get huge bang for our buck on the death strikes as opposed to consistent large hits

[unique kelp]

I mean, a class you enjoy and play well is always better than a filler.

[proper roost]

people playing what they enjoy is most important in a guild like that

[crude notch]

yo what's the best lock spec to level in dungeons with

demo too slow

[unique kelp]

If you don't like Demo, then it's gonna be Destro. Mobs will die before you get anything ramped up on Aff.

[gritty ether]

Yeah I like both equally, I do a lot of decently high M+ keys (21-23) areas. So I will probably take a look into considering there as well

[sick sentinel]

apparently demo lock is bad

[gritty ether]

Prot warrior DPS does make me feel like a Chad but watching your HP teeter on the BDK is a rush no other class makes me feel

[sick sentinel]

or the one in my group was bad, he only died once and still last place dps

[crystal mauve]

The first 5 bosses are fine on warrior but after that, Zskarn is a huge pain in the ass as warrior. Do you plan on going further than 5/9? You could swap to BDK for this fight as well

[unique kelp]

When I play a healer, the problem with BDKs is that they're fine until they're suddenly not and then they're dead.

[crystal mauve]

Look at their RP bar not their health, that's the secret

[gritty ether]

@unique kelp if you don’t have a way to check his runic power I can see that

Caught with your pants down as a BDK is typically a misplay with CDs or expending RP when it’s unnecessary

[toxic pewter]

I was wrong earlier, the augvoker rally is 20% it was not nerfed O_O. 2 charge 20% rally on a 1.5 min cd and it lasts longer (12 seconds)

[sick sentinel]

huge weakness dk can never overcome is they have shit for movement

[cinder storm]

@toxic pewter it will probably be busted for a whole season or two

[crystal mauve]

Only a problem if you need to move tho, most fight these raid are fairly static

[sick sentinel]

and that with if you get caught with your pants down with no cd's = your fucked as BDK

[toxic pewter]

the main thing is it can only affect 5 people.. so I guess ours is still better but in 5 man groups its kinda wild how bad rallying cry seems in comparison

[gritty ether]

@crystal mauve yeah we’re looking for CE by end of tier. Many of us have recent CE experience and we had people take vacations and stuff early on this tier so we’re getting started on mythic prog later then planned. I can always maintain 2 tanks though, that’s no problem for sure. Good suggestion

[sick sentinel]

bdk's struggle at run out mechanics from what i've seen

[gritty ether]

Where’s the priests

Grip my bitch ass

[sick sentinel]

bdk is probably amazing with prevoker

[cinder storm]

I really dislike rallying cry, its very meh, should also clear bleed or poison or some other specific debuffs

[crystal mauve]

If you have the time to do both it's perfect then! Honestly warrior was fine for the first 5 bosses in mythic, I had to step down for newborn reasons but zskarn as warrior feels like shit while it's a breeze in BDK comparatively (Also grip is insane on this fight)

[crystal mauve]

It shouldn't be a problem if your reaction time is less than 5sec, you can walk out of most mechanics fairly easily

[cerulean tusk]

Rally is huge - it can instantly stabilize a tank. It can trivalise a mechanic. It can give your healer the much needed buffer. Rally is a great tool to have

[toxic pewter]

Yeah but we have been the only class that actually brings a groupwide defensive.. those days are gone soon. Add on top of that we are already last in perceived group utility

[cerulean tusk]

Percieved, being the key word

[sick sentinel]

rallying cry in the hands of pepega is sadge

[toxic pewter]

well yeah

[cinder storm]

I still think they can incorporate a few things here and there, that also add to the class fantasy

[toxic pewter]

once again- they will have 2 charges, each on a 1.5 min cd and it lasts 2 seconds longer, LOL

everyone over here telling me to stfu

XD

[cerulean tusk]

They are a litteral buff bot spec tho

[cinder storm]

I'm not

[toxic pewter]

right I play arms too

[cerulean tusk]

If they do equal DPS to a DPS, and do the buffs, then it will be iffy

If they just bring buffs, and that is kinda how they work, I am fine with double rally.

[toxic pewter]

but it indirectly affects our perceived group value in a world where all tank dps is remarkably close

[cerulean tusk]

Worst case scenario, we wont be grouped with augment evokers

If that is what tips the iceberg

[cinder storm]

Or would give devs a better argument to add more stuff to us since, y'know, evokers do it better

[gritty ether]

Worst case Ontario

[cerulean tusk]

I really don't believe warrior should or need more utility, warrior is more a... you know - warrior. Not a paladin or druid. Maybe a bit more focus on redirecting damage to ourselves, maybe an AoE intervene. But that is kinda it

[gritty ether]

AoE intervenes a group soak
Fuckin dies lmao

[crystal mauve]

I've never understood why we don't have a shout for lust. It just make 100% sense to have charging dude scream at you to hit more

[cinder storm]

AoE Shield wall was fun

[hallow phoenix]

Intervening a second Eudora shot or facehugger, or spell reflecting an entire mechanic so the healer doesn't have to do anything is pretty great utility imo

[gritty ether]

We have a group wide small HP buff what about a group wide damage reduction on a small CD, like 10% wall on a 30 second CD for 5 seconds “Brace for Impact” or somesthing

[cerulean tusk]

aint how intervene works, but yea - that would be a tradeoff, it is not supposed to be a group immunity after all

[toxic pewter]

Blizzard themselves know warrior needs like 1 more cool thing. They just cant seem to get it right, skull banner, the group shield wall, even the heroic leap grip. they have iterated on multiple abilities but removed each one..

[gritty ether]

Gladiator 😦

[crystal mauve]

Leap grip was so fiiiiire

[cerulean tusk]

We rally, inspireing them to push on futher and not give up.

We do not mystically empower them with powers of some element, envoke the god of the hunt, warp time or give them blessings of the aspects.

We just inspire and make people push on harder (our two shouts).

[toxic pewter]

it was awkward as hell lol but kinda cool i guess

[hazy bronze]

Bloodlust shout pog

[cerulean tusk]

this is a unholy place

[toxic pewter]

I feel like they don't want to give a tank lust.. it's like an unwritten rule they do not want to cross lol. I can see arms/fury getting it though? Lol kinda like hunters with awkward pet situation

[crystal mauve]

I don't know if it's and argument against or for lust shout?

[cerulean tusk]

it is against, we don't bend reality with magic. We just inspire.

Ok, I can go with one thing: When Odyn's Fury is cast - it grant's Odyn's Rage, a heroism effect for 10 secconds.

[crystal mauve]

Seems like you have never been highly motivated by somone to work harder/faster or something. I feel like I had situation in my life where someone literally Lusted my ass and made me push harder than ever. Also war leader in the past were kind of the blood luster of their times

[cerulean tusk]

That is the AP buff

[sick sentinel]

bring back fury stance, and then, in fury stance, lust cost 40 rage, 20 if enraged, if in defensive stance or battle stance, it costs 80 rage

[cerulean tusk]

A man can tell you to lift a boulder, he might push you to try harder - still wont be the same as a mage litterally giving you the power to move faster than time.

[cinder storm]

When Sylvanas shouts "for the horde!" that made your blood rush no? that whole scene was very exciting, if a belf dark ranger can do it a warrior should too

[cerulean tusk]

Nop

It was just sad

"For the Alliance..." Tho, much more inspireing.

RIP the King

[cinder storm]

Respectfully disagree

[crystal mauve]

100%, also it's still a fantasy game where I can spell reflect chaos bolt to warlock summoning demons so I don't think shouting "GO HARDER FASTER" to someone is completely out of mind

[cerulean tusk]

If you want to give a class heroism, and it makes sense. It would be paladins, priests and druids. All can invoke gods, elements or aspects - that can actually do those things.

[gritty ether]

@cerulean tusk yeah it was so inspiring to see knock-off brad Pitt lookin Anduin crying like a lil baby

[cinder storm]

I mean, in most war movies when the general shouts "charge!" it creates bloodlust

[cerulean tusk]

A warrior can be very loud, not as loud as a bear, but still quite loud

[crystal mauve]

EXACTLY MY POINT!

[cerulean tusk]

I am talking about the RIP King

[gritty ether]

Oh his papa?

[cerulean tusk]

Papa Chad

[gritty ether]

Jumping off the zeppelin was fucking sick nasty for sure

[cerulean tusk]

I dont give a fuck about some paladin wannabe

Even Arthas left paladin and the light behind

The light useless

Embrace the Jailor

[cinder storm]

My dude, I'm a military child, when your dad yells at you trust me, you dont need no god to feel compelled to do what he tells you to

[cerulean tusk]

That is the AP shout

[gritty ether]

Embrace nipple, embrace the jailer

[cinder storm]

touch nipple, hug jailor

[sick sentinel]

i give up

[cerulean tusk]

Mr.Bubbles, even if your father pushes your physical limits (that being the AP bonus), he cant make you move faster than what time allows.

[sick sentinel]

ai art told me to re-roll dragon if i want lust

[cinder storm]

Oh trust me, they can

[cerulean tusk]

No - he cant.

[crystal mauve]

We are not talking abut faster than time, when a shamand does it it's just banging on drums to make you enrgized

[cerulean tusk]

No, he imbues you with the power of the elements

it is very magical

[crystal mauve]

What about drums?

They have been nerf but they are the same idea

[cerulean tusk]

They are skins, made and blessed by, the god of the hunt

You guys even play the game?

[gritty ether]

“Yelling primal” @sick sentinel prolly is what got you the weird hybrid animal dragon thing

[cinder storm]

Yeah, I just fail to see why you think a warrior, whose class fantasy is being a rage machine, can't give bloodlust/heroism to his party

Literally all vikings are crying somewhere reading this

[cerulean tusk]

Cause, a warrior can not magically imbue people with power.

Other than - If we bring Odyn in.

[crystal mauve]

I mean, fury warrior literally enrage themselves, why not enrage your group?

[cerulean tusk]

...

I would love to see mages run in hitting with their staves in melee

lets go for it

[gritty ether]

I mean isn’t invigoration kinda the same thing. “Thrill of Battle” the warrior inspires his allies with their combat prowess emboldening them

[sick sentinel]

close enough

not what i had in mind at first

[gritty ether]

That’s a battleshout if I ever seen one

[crystal mauve]

What about Berseker shout? Revomes the fear of my group. Feels kinda magicky to me

[gritty ether]

You know intimidating shout, battle shout, rallying cry, and piercing howl all have to be different yells

[cerulean tusk]

you talking about intimidating shout - or the one that removes fear? Both are inspireing and intimidating, phyiscal effects, from the warrior's stature, status and presence.

[gritty ether]

Do you think warriors when they piercing howl just literally scream at the top their lungs

[cerulean tusk]

Basically, big burly man says "DONT YOU FUCKING RUN!" you dont run. He scary. "YOU FUCKING RUN!" you run.

It is the same as someone big running after you going "GET BACK HERE YA LILL SHIT!" you look back in panic

[hazy bronze]

But you can't buy that person yelling hit faster?

[cerulean tusk]

Nop, that is AP boost

[hazy bronze]

Also love how you use only masculine 🙂

[gritty ether]

You guys think when we taunt a mob we’re just like “ur mom fat”

[cerulean tusk]

Basically

[gritty ether]

And they feel inclined to hit us after that

[cerulean tusk]

Yep, something annoying about a guy who stands in front of you - calling you a shitfaced coward poopstain. Or tells you you are weak and your brain is rotten like your moms corpse.

[gritty ether]

Mine was a little lighter but same thing I suppose

[crystal mauve]

How come some humans had a feeling of bloodlust and went killer crazy? Is there any magic in this too?

[cerulean tusk]

Like - you can get people focused on you with yelling at them

[gritty ether]

@crystal mauve spice

[cerulean tusk]

No clue what even you are refering too, but yes - that could be the jailer tickling their anuses

Gods exsist in this setting - magic exsists

So if Odyn supports warriors, they could get heroism, but that is the only way it could happen.

No "I shout hit faster, now you as fast as the guy bending time"

[crude notch]

shits been happening forever.

[crystal mauve]

various massacres in history - you have a hordes of people fighting each other into a giant bloodbath and some getting crazy doing so I guess they were inspired by blood

[crude notch]

frfr on g

[cerulean tusk]

You talking IRL? Yes, we feel bloodlust as human beings, we feel a lot of things.

Doesnt make us bend time.

[hazy bronze]

You're never going to change this person's mind

[crystal mauve]

wtf are you talking about bending time? I'm telling you as a human and thus warrior you can feel the bloodlust, why can you invigorate your allies into battle to make them feel your rage and empower them?

[cerulean tusk]

You are trying to equal "dad tells me to run faster, so I do" with "I bend time, so you move faster through space than allowed"

Dadou, that is basically what AP shout and Rally is, it is the physical push above your limits.

[crystal mauve]

nah, Shout is just "let's go on an adventure boys" Lust is you are full or rage someone kill your whole familly in front of you, your rage is so immense your adrenaline is rushing and you want to destroy the world in revenge

[hazy bronze]

Gymnastics inc

[cerulean tusk]

...

If you try to say the limits of the human body, is not pushed in everyone? Then you aruge everyone should have heroism.

As anyone can do what you just say.

[cinder storm]

Going berserk is a thing

[cerulean tusk]

...

It wont

make

you

bend

time

and

space

[cinder storm]

bend THIS

[cerulean tusk]

No u

[cinder storm]

not twitch chat dammit

[crystal mauve]

I think Kitty is working as a class designer for blizzard, this is why we don't have lust boys

[crude notch]

i wish someone would fold my clothes with me still in them

[proper roost]

this is easily top 5 for the dumbest argument

in here
in the last month

[crude notch]

what are we arguing

[hazy bronze]

Best take from this

[proper roost]

have to add major qualifiers

[crude notch]

lust?

[cinder storm]

warriors can have lust y/n

[crude notch]

only if you behave

[cerulean tusk]

No, from a game perspective. At that point, you could argue drums should be full hero effect at that point.

[proper roost]

this is worse than when fury was arguing about weather earlier

[cerulean tusk]

you one of the 'warrior needs hero', boys, Kanga?

[proper roost]

unironically you need to touch grass

i just got home from doing so and it owns

[cerulean tusk]

Great answer

[proper roost]

(indirect weather conversation)

[cerulean tusk]

The swan lands on the lake, blood in the sky, rain, drip, drip. Green as the sea.

[crystal mauve]

That was not even the question of if we need hero/lust but if warrior can have it, according ot you we can't cause in the fantasy game we play it doesn't make sense

[hazy bronze]

They're not because of balance reasons not lore reasons

[cerulean tusk]

The fantasy will only allow it, as I stated, if a power like Odyn empowered us.

[hazy bronze]

as I stated

Wew

[cerulean tusk]

I miss the grass gif

[crystal mauve]

So you agree to lust if I just say "Odyn empower my friend's asses"?

[cinder storm]

quick loops make me dizzy

[cerulean tusk]

Sure, if that is what they go for.

[crystal mauve]

Oh my god

[cerulean tusk]

But not "my dad yells at me to run faster than time, so now I do"

I said it like 5 times, that Odyn is your way out here.

[crystal mauve]

fuck it, I'm out

[cinder storm]

Nah, no deus ex machina

[cerulean tusk]

Poor boys, don't even take the easy out when it is given on a platter.

[jagged gust]

Wait so whats the lore behind my pony being alble to cast bloodlust on the raid? Is my pony also bending space and time?

[cerulean tusk]

You talking hunters? It is Galydryn or whatever the god is called, the god of the hunt, magically empowering you to move faster to hunt.

[crystal mauve]

Yes, your pony identify a unicorn and thus can bend time up their ass and make your groupe faster then time itself

[hazy bronze]

:omegalul:

Holy stretch batman

[cerulean tusk]

It is what it is

[hazy bronze]

You can reach around the world with that one

[cinder storm]

if we talk about bending time, we are going to become a jojo discord

[cerulean tusk]

You want to know worse things, hunters use god-like beings as pets. Fenryr and Hati as good examples.

[jagged gust]

a god thats a dog is still just a dog

no getting around that one

[cerulean tusk]

A dog is a goodboy no matter what, so yes.

[jagged gust]

they just woof a little louder

[cerulean tusk]

woofs tear the space and time continium. Still wags tail

it a good boy

Anyhow - I will just end it here with. If you want heroism, just say everyone should have it and could do it: As we are soulbound to the arbiter of death, that transcends time and space.

All part of the Jailers endgame.

[jagged gust]

SL lore needs to be wiped from existence

[gritty ether]

You know we have cow people who stomp the ground hard enough to stun magi and battle-hardened machines. I think if you were to embolden such a powerful creature that would be the equivalent of magic in terms of how exponentially dangerous they would get

Also we have cow people

[jagged gust]

I was literally angry leveling my first time going through those zones, I didnt even notice it but people said I was scowling lol

Like holy shit was it dumb

[cerulean tusk]

We have killed beings that use stars, galaxies and perhaps universes as a makeup of their being.

Yet a big lizzard is supposed to be scary.

That is WoW for ya.

[jagged gust]

and yet you refuse to believe in the power of a good coach

[gritty ether]

If we’re that strong I think we could yell for bloodlust

✅m8

[cerulean tusk]

If you use the Arbiter arguement or Odyn, I agree.

[mighty valley]

currently yogg-saron dies in one auto-attack while a couple rando pirates are endgame content, don't think we should get too hung up on power levels in this game lmao

[jagged gust]

nah, literally just me yelling loudly in your ear to swing your sword faster

and it works, because thats what a coach do

[crystal mauve]

Fuck it, I'm the god now, problem solved

[cerulean tusk]

Well, our characters are basically super-tier godlike, so sure

go for it

[gritty ether]

Goofy could kill goku in a single punch and goku could prolly kill antorus last boss so therefore we yell for goofy to embolden us

“Hyuuckkk like swing faster guys!!”

[mighty valley]

all of the main characters in wow should be doing research into the powers of mythic keystones - if they can reverse engineer those things to apply to us heroes, we could become infinitely stronger and nothing would threaten the world ever again

[gritty ether]

And we could make them give us list

Lust

[crystal mauve]

Facts - 100% gigabrain

[cerulean tusk]

Mythic keystones are just us agreeing to become weaker, not the enemies in there becoming stronger.

[gritty ether]

That’s just false

I kill these things so badly that they turn into red puddles and I HATE standing in red puddles so I move away

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, how do you explain the same swing speed and weight and mass, does more effect.

It could only do so if the thing that it hits are changed.

[jagged gust]

that sounds like the perfect lust audio queue for dbm

[cerulean tusk]

So clearly we change, not it.

[daring marlin]

What in tarnation

[cerulean tusk]

We allow M+ to hurt us, as it pleases us. If you want true powerscale, walk into the Deadmines, see the power of human Vs a human in Freehold where we choose to empower them.

We are gods.

[gritty ether]

So why can’t we lust

You said we could lust if odyn allowed it cuz he’s a god but you just called us god

[cerulean tusk]

Cause we don't want to ask daddy Odyn or Arbiter for it

[daring marlin]

I see now

Funky is spouting nonsense again

[cerulean tusk]

Never

[jagged gust]

Someone has to do it

[mighty valley]

i think warriors should get bloodlust, but only prot and fury

not arms

[cerulean tusk]

hm...

I can get behind that

[crystal mauve]

I would bet, it doesn't make sense so why not go for it

[cerulean tusk]

I am glad you bed a lot of things

[gritty ether]

Arms should actually get it when they bladestorm cuz it causes a tornado and the raid has to follow it around to get infinite tornado lust

[mighty valley]

fury because it fits the theme. prot because that's me

[jagged gust]

tornado lust, that sounds like if they turned sharknado into an erotic thriller

[crystal mauve]

What about friendly fire with bladestorm? If we go into dumb shit might as well go deep

[cerulean tusk]

The spin draws in arcane energies, basically causing enemies to be temporaly pushed out of the continum. As such, heroism effect.

[gritty ether]

“Thanks odyn” the dizzy warror replied.

[jagged gust]

the little nicks and cuts make us angry and then we hit faster

[crystal mauve]

🤮 after

[cerulean tusk]

"Thanks Odyn." the warrior says, after get oneshot by the big bomb.

[crystal mauve]

Smart, I see it's only how you spin it that's relevant

[cerulean tusk]

To be fair, arms warrior got such bladecontrol that when they spin wildely, that is just an illusion, in truth they weave their blade between the atomic structures to not hit allies - yet they chose to hit the enemy.

[daring marlin]

[jagged gust]

arms warrior is just a subclass of theoretical physicist

[cerulean tusk]

If they wanted to - they could split the atom. At will. At any time.

Explains how an arms warrior can hurt a god. Causing nuclear damage as the blade passes through.

This is now the lore I will abide by.

[cinder storm]

Lore is fucky, why paladins get "Gift of the Valkyr" when they belong to the alien light people instead of warriors who become valharjalr when they die

[cerulean tusk]

When we died we didnt turn to that tho. We proved ourselves in the halls of valor, getting our named carved in by Odyn himself!

Like 3 times... Odyn forgetting every time... Those quests got me 100% certain, Odyn got senile dementia

[gritty ether]

As we yelled for odyn to grant us roughly 30% quicker reflex’s and agility on the battlefield he looked down and exhaled and muttered. “No.”

[daring marlin]

memes aside I think Warriors having lust would definitely help them fit into groups but unfortunately there will be people who will still think it's not enough

I can see it now

[cerulean tusk]

"First you must prove yourself worth, if you do, I shall in these great halls carve your name in myself!"

[daring marlin]

"yeah we have bloodlust but we don't even have a cr cmon blizz wtf"

[cerulean tusk]

I hate the CR argument more than the hero one, just go engi

[daring marlin]

It's pretty stupid

Then you wade into "but engi bracers are melee!!!!"

[cerulean tusk]

Blizz should give us a CR that forces us to heroic leap on top of the target, then do 4 rampages on it to make it live again.

[gritty ether]

We should let funky jump through hoops on how warriors CAN battle rez someone per Azeroth laws

Ok well

Ignore me it’s been done

[cerulean tusk]

Well, Mike, we simply use the engineering equipment

or we talk to our boy

the arbiter of death

say "hey, send him back"

done

[gritty ether]

How

ESPN?

[final mist]

I choose to believe that warriors are simply so angry that our anger can simply ignore the natural laws of the universe

Kinda like the Hulk

Or Kratos

Or Asura

[cerulean tusk]

We are soulbound, we know what he knows - he knows what we know.

Arbiter knows

[final mist]

That's why we should have a healing spec and a brez

"YOU'RE NOT DEAD."

[cinder storm]

Living dead = Too angry 2 die wow edition

[cerulean tusk]

To be fair, everyone should just not die at all. Why would the Arbiter allow that?

[jagged gust]

I'm an intimidation specced medic, I scare you into believing you arent actually hurt

[cinder storm]

[cinder storm]

is the arbiter stupid?

[cerulean tusk]

Well, we are the arbiter, so

I guess

yes?

[crystal mauve]

Best healer spec ever - ignore all the pain

[cinder storm]

even irl pain

[cerulean tusk]

[gritty ether]

That sounds awfully not warrior with no magic like

Also basically ret-conning warriors to be doomguy is ok with me

[cerulean tusk]

We are stronger than the doomguy

[gritty ether]

But are we as angry

[cerulean tusk]

hm

no

[final mist]

We're already there tbh, look at shit like Avatar and Thunder Clap

[lusty grotto]

wdym im like 100x angrier

[final mist]

Either we have pure chad strength magic or we're just such strong gigachads that we can force our muscles to grow and lightning to hit people when we punch them

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-always-angry-i-am-cap-gif-20198895

[cerulean tusk]

Avatar is just us repelling the curse of flesh, through the power of our muscles. We flex so hard the curse goes away a bit.

Thunderclap is just hitting the ground really hard.

[lusty grotto]

what is this lore

no explanations

we just are

lore be for readingers

[cerulean tusk]

Well, currently, we are the soulkin of the arbiter of death. So anything goes.

[lusty grotto]

thats the people that read

sir

sir

stop it

[cerulean tusk]

but but, but...

[lusty grotto]

i aint no bitch

[cerulean tusk]

you are basically half a being more powerful than gods

[cinder storm]

words, in my game? no thanks

only zug zug

[lusty grotto]

what do with abc

[cerulean tusk]

zugzug

[lusty grotto]

excuse me, wat do with abc

nambars

[cerulean tusk]

I am more worried about that eddit

what could it have been

how did you zugzug so hard that it wasn't abc, but something else

[lusty grotto]

yes

the loot goblins are gone right?

yesterday was the last day?

[modern brook]

I'm right here

[lusty grotto]

you son of a bitch

[hazy bronze]

Yeah they are nimmy

Never got the tp book or geetir

[lusty grotto]

i didnt get the stupid guitar

or the mount

probably not gonna show up on the trading post

i had the hearthstone from the d3 event

i think, so at least i had that covered

[lusty grotto]

yeah i saw it yesterday

[craggy pilot]

yo boys

did a +11 NL for Mark

finally got it

[lusty grotto]

nice nice

[craggy pilot]

but let me present you the Prot Warrior tank i had

his build

[lusty grotto]

ive seen so many with that shockwave battle scared shit

[craggy pilot]

i told him "bro you dont even have SB talents"

[lusty grotto]

im sadly not surprised

[craggy pilot]

he said "i play dmg"

his dmg you may ask?

18k overall

411 ilvl

[sick sentinel]

he uh.... wha.... oh uh... oh my

[lusty grotto]

what a hero

[jagged pier]

thats a

build

i guess

[craggy pilot]

"i made alone all"
"i dont read tutorials"

[lusty grotto]

indeed it is

[craggy pilot]

no rend xD

no Avatar kapstone

Massacre

[jagged pier]

thats a

[crystal mauve]

I mean it is technically damage, not much but it's > 0

[jagged pier]

i see this on details and i dont usually see it

[craggy pilot]

i guess i got what i came for, but man this build will haunt my dreams xD

[jagged pier]

not even he is running barbaric tuning tho

[sick sentinel]

like how he goes straight for BSV at the bottom

[crystal mauve]

He went a step too far, instead of not having it on his bars he just didn't waste a talent point cause he smort

[craggy pilot]

5 hEaD

[lusty grotto]

just remember

he went Blood and thunder

only for the clap dmg

😄

[craggy pilot]

"i play dmg" xD

[crystal mauve]

Was his name Iplaydmg if no he was a liar

[craggy pilot]

nah it wasnt

went from this

to this

in a day xD

[sick sentinel]

massacre but no sudden death

[craggy pilot]

and no Juggernaut

like where is his true dmg

[crystal mauve]

Do you have the damage breakdown? I'm curious to explore this new build

[craggy pilot]

you want dmg breakdown for boss, or for overall?

also he was kiting around the last boss in NL

was fun to see

just STOMP STOMP STOMP

healer probably crying

[crystal mauve]

No need shield block if he is never un melee big brain

[craggy pilot]

his hp was low perma

i was trying to check him after fights if he had SB up

never saw it

[crystal mauve]

CAn you see the uptime in details?

[craggy pilot]

this the overall

[craggy pilot]

22% xD

[crystal mauve]

Impressive lol

[crystal mauve]

Shockwave coming strong in 5th place

[craggy pilot]

he did Shield Wall one time entire dungeon xD

[oblique garnet]

[crystal mauve]

Byt why shield wall when you can have BSV?

[craggy pilot]

he had higher uptime of his Weapon Enchant than Shield Block 😭

[crystal mauve]

It's actually quite funny lol

[craggy pilot]

BSV 16 sec 🤔 so it only procced 2 times?

like what

that cant be real

[crystal mauve]

How is the heal? I'm curious to see how much the healer had to pump to keep that thing alive lol

[craggy pilot]

overall 33k

30% of that into tank

[sick sentinel]

this is not good at all

[craggy pilot]

shh, i was also warrior

[modern brook]

when the trees were first announced i said "i like it its difficult to make something overly bad" and apparently the wider universe took that as a personal challenge

[craggy pilot]

the people who think "oh yea ill just theorycraft my own build"

and then end up with this abomination

[modern brook]

its a very "reads tool tips" build

for what thats worth

[sick sentinel]

this guy plays with default ui and no addons, possibly on a laptop that overheats and he doesn't play alot

[craggy pilot]

i was just in Aberrus with 30 people, and my PC was frying

idk how people do that shit tho

[sick sentinel]

thats what we got going on here, no button presses, weird build

[balmy pawn]

What’s a decent amount of overall damage for a 437ish prot warrior to be doing in M+?

[craggy pilot]

depends on the dungeon, but probably 70-90k i think?

looking like the only thing i need to replace now is my Diurna Ring, then im all good 🤔

maybe a higher ilvl Forgestorm

[lusty grotto]

why did

you replace annulet and not diurna

[craggy pilot]

never had annulet xD

[lusty grotto]

replace diurna first for keys

oh jesus

[craggy pilot]

sent all my keys to my paladin

because it was low gear

so i have Annulet on that, and not on warr)

[balmy pawn]

I’m hitting around 80k and was just trying to set a mental benchmark.

[lusty grotto]

diurna doesnt do much for keys, you could replace with whatever

much less a 408 diurna

[craggy pilot]

in some of the big pull dungeons, you should be 100k tho (brackenhide for one)

maybe freehold as well? 🤔

[balmy pawn]

Must be nice to have a Forgestorm

[craggy pilot]

i got so fuckin lucky with Forgestorm

got it on both my Warr and Pala in like the first few weeks xD

[balmy pawn]

The 80k was a Neltharus on bursting

[craggy pilot]

how would you sim that?

when i sim ST it shows Diurna being better

i guess 5 target 1.5min?

[lusty grotto]

i said keys

sorry, mythic plus for you EU folks

[craggy pilot]

ye thats what im asking?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/onKKb3bvZrZJM3ueTGrEYK

[lusty grotto]

kinda weird that a 408 diurna would do better than just about any other ring you have access to

but it is what it is

[craggy pilot]

shows my Bloodied Wedding Ring with Socket is better in AOE

by only 0.3% tho

[craggy pilot]

in ST even?

i thought Diurna ring was pretty good still 🤔

[lusty grotto]

yes, a mythic diurna

aka 421

408 is normal? or lower?

how much dmg does the ignite say it does on the tooltip?

[craggy pilot]

408 is HC

well also i have a socket on it right, which helps a bit with the DPS

[lusty grotto]

421 is 7252 so the its kinda closer than i would think

either way i never use it for keys

[craggy pilot]

but im thinking if i get a Crit/Haste ring 441 with Socket, then ill swap

[sick sentinel]

free hold if you want more haste than crit, VP if you want more crit than haste

[lusty grotto]

yeah the other high haste ring is in HOI

but its haste/vers

[craggy pilot]

i have Skyshard ring alrdy

[lusty grotto]

questionable loyalties then

[sick sentinel]

i got this one

[craggy pilot]

isnt that a world drop ring?

[sick sentinel]

yeah, well, its stats i want and does to 437

[quiet minnow]

It’s a nice ring

[proper pecan]

Anyone encountered Rashok sporadically spinning before big soak?

[crystal mauve]

Yes, we couldn’t figure out why and it cause multiple wipes

We assumed he would target a random melee sometimes for some reason

[proper pecan]

driving me crazy

[lusty grotto]

which diff

cause i certainly didnt see anything fucky on my 2 heroic clears this week

[proper pecan]

I think it's kinda mythic only, when he stepping somewhere near gold circles in center.

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[hazy bronze]

Was someone dropping a fat beat?

[rustic tinsel]

Man mythic Zskarn is potentially the most unfun boss I’ve ever tanked

[shut summit]

dreading it on reclear

top 5 worst bosses for me

[lusty grotto]

reminder i put this in, fishing for some hearts https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/zskarns-burning-claws-and-forgotten-experiments-infused-strikes-dot-ticks-are-not-spell-blockable/1611587/3

[junior brook]

zskarn is horrible, atleast free parse due barely prots there :EZ:

[rustic tinsel]

I decided to play vdh on Zskarn for my own sanity

(We needed brand so I didn’t have a choice)

[lusty grotto]

did you go any specialized build for it btw?

[shut summit]

we killed it with cheese but no, not planning on anything special

[lusty grotto]

we were talking about it the other day, unnerving might be a good pick for IP spam

seems like an ok call, but not sure if you think otherwise

[cinder nova]

M?

[junior brook]

yea

[cinder nova]

I'm having to prog it next week 🫠 I think I may be on bomb duty, though, since we have a BDK that might be able to hang.

[dry spear]

When we are going to prog zkarn i might run double absorb trinkets.

[cinder nova]

How bad is bomb duty, do you think?

Full turtle?

[lusty grotto]

bomb duty seems to be worse than tanking him

you cant SR the dot

for the dr

your rage intake will be abysmal

by running around etc

and basically limited uptime on the boss

youre at the mercy of absorb trinkets and wall

and it is entirely possible demo on boss doesnt even reduce the dot of the bombs

[gritty ether]

I would 100% believe that

[lusty grotto]

but

at least bomb stacks are manageable

so that's the silver lining i guess

or rather, are manageable to be lower stacks than burning claws

[modern gazelle]

thinking of leveling alts with boost, what other tanks are good right now?

[strong forum]

all

[modern gazelle]

looking at m+ logs demon hunters are busted af lol wtf

[sick sentinel]

its gunna take me forever to get that crit trinket

[strong forum]

legit all tanks are in the same ballbark

the only one that stands out is bdk dmg is a bit whack

but other than that, every tank does phenomenal

[modern gazelle]

i have every tank at 45-50 from when i last played, only one i really hate is brewmaster, fuck that spec

[analog lantern]

hey folks do we know of any M+ discords?

[modern gazelle]

i want to learn vengence DH but feels so rough

[modern gazelle]

WoWMadeEasy

its a group of non toxic people that do m+ and raids to help people clear content, super helpful and friendly

https://discord.gg/wowmadeeasy

[strong forum]

VDH is only a tank for people who enjoy VDH

[analog lantern]

I have a question that maybe some knows the answer to: sometimes the Blackout barrel in Freehold Council of Captains lands on me, then people die as they get boss aggro etc. Why does this happen?

[analog lantern]

thank you ❤️

[strong forum]

its super punishing, can die very easily

[lusty grotto]

also vdh is heavily reliant on 4pc for dmg iirc

[strong forum]

ye

[modern gazelle]

yeah just when i was practicing on it thats how it felt, cant imagine high keys

[lusty grotto]

someone is freedoming the barrel target, and youre walking over the loose barrel <-- this makes you take the barrel instead or anyone that goes through it

[modern gazelle]

so between bear and pally im trying to decide, i know pally is great and i mained it in BFA, what benefits do they/bear have that the other doesnt?

[analog lantern]

so is this my fault? There was one instance where I was charging and the barrel landed on me and there was nothing on me at my original location

[strong forum]

bear will be apparently great next patch

[lusty grotto]

yes

[strong forum]

like fotm levels of great

[lusty grotto]

its your fault

dont run over the barrel

the barrel doesnt land on you

you just walked over it

[modern gazelle]

sounds good, idk why but just not feeling pally as much anyways, ive always liked bear tanking, though they werent the best when i played

[lusty grotto]

make it a habit to stay the hell away from it

because good groups will freedom/tiger's lust/disengage/meld/fd it

[fervent bramble]

Is it normal for us to struggle in uldaman? I’m getting hit with 200k+ stone bolts

[toxic pewter]

Spell block pretty good in there

[echo egret]

I just got a high crit/low haste and a high haste/low crit ring. I can use only one of these, the other slot is locked.
Dungeon slice simming says the 1st one is better. What's your opinion on this ?

[fervent bramble]

Yes but when it’s on cd?

[warm plinth]

It's worse for bdk though because you can't death strike while running around

[cinder nova]

Really? Why?

Also, we getting any love?

Not that I think we need much, but if it's just turning into power creep - gimmie some shit, dawg

[jagged gust]

if they're the same ilvl the difference in dps is so little it should just be a personal preference, I like haste because more autos more rage more gcd spam, as long as you're not hitting some silly breakpoint

[strong forum]

That's what I'm being told idk why

[jagged gust]

Or just save it and equip both when annulet becomes trash

[cinder nova]

So it's all just heresay?

[toxic pewter]

The strength of offhealing of certain tanks is kinda becoming apparent…They’re nerfing dps offhealing yet not changing tank offhealing

[strong forum]

Well yeah the same amount of hearsay as the hpal rework being insane

[toxic pewter]

Guardian offhealing gonna be getting better even

[strong forum]

Yeah that's what I heard

Guardian off healing gonna be stronk

[warm plinth]

They already nerfed prot paladin offhealing wdym

[toxic pewter]

Needs more

[cinder nova]

I really wish they'd just stick to a parameter for how they want the tanks to fall into a niche. Warrior has fuckall utility, so it needs to be the tank with the most raw throughput in some area by a noticeable, but not busted margin.

[toxic pewter]

And also guardian too

[cinder nova]

Utility tanks need to lean on that utility.

[warm plinth]

How does warrior have fuck all utility

[cinder nova]

Self-heal tanks should lean on self-heal and their ability to stand on their own feet much better than other tanks.

[toxic pewter]

Now that tank dps is so close the group damage and deaths that occur is really the issue groups are facing. As a result the tanks that do either mega dps or offhealing is what will be best

[cinder nova]

☝️

[warm plinth]

fear, ST stun, aoe stun, intervene, rally???

No utility

[toxic pewter]

All that doesn’t matter

[cinder nova]

So take all that except... rally

There's your raid utility lol

[toxic pewter]

Vs an instant top up

Or just random major heals like after the wild fire

Or instant regrowths

[modern gazelle]

bro does gauridan have 8000 keybinds or what?

[toxic pewter]

Na brew has more

[modern gazelle]

setting up my hotbar and i have so many damn keybinds it feels like

[toxic pewter]

That’s just druid life

[modern gazelle]

does gaurdian need to form shift ever?

[echo egret]

600 DPS difference, is that negligible ?

[cinder nova]

Our raid utility is in the pits, and I'm okay with that. If we're not going to be a group-centric tank, I want to be able to crank so there's value in us.
Tank utility and raid buff coverage is basically the only thing that tanks are seriously considered for unless they're extremely favorable due to balance or kit for a large number of fights.

It doesn't mean we're bad.

But it does mean we get left behind. If other tanks can do the damage we do, survive the hits we do, and they have utility to show for it - why bring a warrior for anything but shout?

[strong forum]

Only reason why vdh is so popular rn is chaos brand btw

[warm plinth]

Need to? No. But generally they get a DPS increase from catweaving in raid. I don't know if that's the case right now though.

[toxic pewter]

Sometimes they do weaving as far as I know during certain raid encounters

[warm plinth]

e.g. swapping to cat when not tanking to apply bleeds essentially

[cinder nova]

So yes, we got fuck-all raid utility. If we're "the damage tank" that'd be our niche. I'd be cool with that. We don't have much else to do besides that.

You can see a repeating pattern in SL to now tbh.

And pretty sure WF only had PWarr for shout since monk cranked on Danny

S1 WW was bonkers

[lusty grotto]

kick casts, spell reflect, demo, wall, LoS, the list goes on

[warm plinth]

Don't sim dungeon slice.

[cinder nova]

If you want to sim cleave damage do like a 3-5 boss fight or something

Make it like 1.5 minutes long

idk

[jagged gust]

More than prot war? I'm sitting at 28 rn

[toxic pewter]

If you want least amount of buttons vdh is your best bet

[serene steppe]

28?? you keybind your /dance macro??

[modern gazelle]

hmm alright thanks, gotta figure out how i like my keybinds, always teh worst thing aboutcoming back to a game and re leveling alts

also the fact that you guys were more helpful than the gaurdian discord whre no one even responded to me lmao

[mortal brook]

Not this xpack. Too much damage from genning, spending rage

[lusty grotto]

steve wtf

[mortal brook]

Hi

[jagged gust]

Shockwave, throw, storm bolt, intervene, leap, charge, our 8 damage abilities, taunt, aoe taunt, IP/SB, pummel, LS, DS, Avatar, Spell reflect, shield wall, challenging shout, intim shout, rally, healthstone and stance dance, honestly i probably need another couple for spell block and pots

[warm plinth]

People underestimate how many buttons they have for a lot of specs.

I do have some specs that are missing 4 or 5 buttons compared to others, but most have around the same number give or take

[jagged gust]

I mained a SV hunter in TBC, I used 2 abilities, and on one occasion 3

[echo egret]

My activity is much more M+ than raids. Isn’t dungeon slice meant to represent that ?

[mortal brook]

Bear adds a bind next patch when maul and raze separate

[warm plinth]

Well, first of all, dungeon slice is a pretty poor representation of a dungeon. And second, you have to have an APL that is designed to support a sim like that, which we don't have. There are a lot of specs that don't support dungeon slice sims. You should not default to assuming that it's okay to use it.

[lusty grotto]

5 patchwerks, 1 min or 1.5 min duration, no lust, pick all buffs that your team consistently has, disable all others

[modern gazelle]

what do you do with these, the 80% and previous trinkets, there isnt an option to remove

[echo egret]

Sorry there’s no « random pug with random buffs and random skills » setting 🙂

[lusty grotto]

they dont matter if you dont have them

[lusty grotto]

so pick battle shout and thats it

[heavy totem]

elemental lariat still a good option for prot war? wondering what to spend my spark on

[lusty grotto]

there are better

[modern gazelle]

thanks

so since the wow reddit is down ima just ask here

Anyone know what dungeons are best to do for leveling quick? I assume outlands is fast, but after finishing all those quests, where next?

[warm plinth]

Dungeons aren't fast for leveling.

The only exception is timewalking which are a good bit faster (and they are probably the fastest with the current buff active). But questing is faster 99% of the time by a significant margin.

[jagged gust]

I mean it's TW weekend with bonus xp, hard to turn that down

[warm plinth]

He's not talking about TW though

[modern gazelle]

i dislike questing and i am tanking so its insta queues

dungeons are like 1 level per dungeon basically

[lusty grotto]

id listen to ghash if i were you

[warm plinth]

That's not true at all

At low levels maybe. But it falls off fast.

[lusty grotto]

^ that guy

[toxic pewter]

Generally speaking tbc, wotlk, cata I find pretty good. Also just “regular” classic dungeons from kalimdor and eastern kingdoms can’t go wrong with those

[modern gazelle]

idk i prefer mindlessly doling dungeons than questing, questing is so aids

[toxic pewter]

A lot usually have quests too

[modern gazelle]

and i did my warrior in like 10hr dungeons

without 50% boost

[warm plinth]

I know a tiny bit about leveling

[modern gazelle]

thats all well and good, but...

like i said

i fucking hate questing its aids

[warm plinth]

That's valid, but you asked which dungeons are fast, and the answer is none of them.

[jagged gust]

^ very true

sorry i meant the aids part, fuck fetch quests

[lusty grotto]

i get a seratonin high when i have 20 quests ready to turn in

[toxic pewter]

I also prefer dungeon leveling myself

[jagged gust]

"Oh adventurer, I know you just killed god last week, but i need 8 boar livers"

[lusty grotto]

and everyone has the ? marker in a 10 yard radius

but to each their own

[warm plinth]

As far as which dungeons are faster than others, in my opinion BFA has the potential for the fastest dungeons

[toxic pewter]

Timewalking only working on 60-70 i think

[warm plinth]

But it might be worth doing some Outlands and Cata queueing for the dungeon quests

Downside of Outlands is you get stuck doing longer dungeons as well like Botanica or the Zangarmarsh dungeons

Also you can't control which dungeons you go into. Because it's inting to not random queue since you lose the completion XP

[heavy totem]

Shield of the Hearth worse than Primal Motlen Defender?

[modern gazelle]

well i just went from 45-48 in one BC dungeon without doing any quests...

and it took 10min

[lusty grotto]

its a meh embelish so yes

[sick sentinel]

im gunna make the new shield for the appearance with old spark

that or i could make a 2h

[modern gazelle]

even without quests in the dungeons cause i did them when i originally leveled this toon i am getting 3 levels per dungeon

45-48 and 48-51 in 2 dungeons purely off the dungeon xp/random dungeon bonus and 50% boost

[cinder marsh]

Sup dudes, any suggestions on weakauras or addons for mythic plus, for instance like for kicks and stuff like that

and i thought that dbm was suppose to have a voice that tells you stuff like that

[modern gazelle]

quazii everything basically

Plater for sure
OmniCD profile is nice
i use spell reflect essentials to help know whats reflectable while playing
I use his WA package, though i edited it to fit my liking a little more

https://quazii.com/dragonflight-protection-warrior-weakauras-ui/

https://quazii.com/dragonflight-plater-nameplates-profile/

https://quazii.com/addons-and-faq/

you can get his OmniCD on the FAQ along with his Bigwigs/littlewigs if you want it, but i dont use those

[sick sentinel]

plater is the best addon

[modern gazelle]

also Mythic Plus tools for mapping routes

and raiderio for checking scores

and angry keystone/astral keys if you want just for some extra qol

[waxen vale]

anyone know if lass pack before boss 3 can be shrouded? halls

[patent osprey]

No

[sick sentinel]

i use all those

[waxen vale]

u sure something there has trusight?

[sick sentinel]

some of its pointless

[waxen vale]

i cant think of what

[patent osprey]

Dragon does

[waxen vale]

maybe the dragon?

ah

[patent osprey]

Ive failed miserably trying 🙂

[modern gazelle]

fellow GTFO enjoyer

what is gottagofast?

[warm plinth]

M+ timer

[kind urchin]

I'm kinda glad they're nerfing the Onyx Annulet. I'm tired of having 437-441 rings in my bag that are worse than it.

[modern gazelle]

ah i have angry keystones for that

[warm plinth]

I use https://wago.io/M+Timer

[graceful kite]

hope they also nerf vault rings

[warm plinth]

That is the vault ring

[sick sentinel]

displays milliseconds on timer if you dont restart for one

yah, there is no shortage of keystone timer addons

[vocal verge]

Aren’t 441 rings better, especially in aoe, when you’re high ilvl anyways?

[warm plinth]

Depends on how big of aoe

and the stats on the rings

[vocal verge]

Might be that I have a socket and heavy haste rings then. They’ve simmed higher for me on 5 targets.

[warm plinth]

Haste isn't even our best damage stat

But yeah, 5-7 targets with 441ish rings are where people are seeing stats pull ahead in aoe

[sick sentinel]

its our best secondary stat for dps

[vocal verge]

I put the diamond on my ring socket so I can say my ring has strength on it 🤷‍♀️

[warm plinth]

No it is not.

[sick sentinel]

what would it be then

[warm plinth]

Crit/vers are both better DPS stats than haste unless you have like negative haste.

We like haste because it's a good offensive stat and our best defensive stat.

[vocal verge]

Was about to say but you can’t survive without haste

[sick sentinel]

crit vers for fury/arms you mean?

[warm plinth]

That's not really true either.

No, for prot

[sick sentinel]

yeah cuz im not a fury/arms enjoyer at all

way im thinking haste is the best secondary is that, SS TC SB is all reduced by haste, and then you got things like anger mastery for avatar

[warm plinth]

It is the best secondary stat, but not because of damage. All our secondaries are actually quite close together for damage. But it's haste's defensive benefit that really makes it pull together (plus it just feels great to have high haste).

[sick sentinel]

i could recraft all my gear crit if really wanted to but i just dont feel like it

[uneven mason]

You can have zero haste on gear and do just fine, it'll feel like frozen dogshit to play, but you'll be just fine.

[sick sentinel]

i'd gain about 1500 crit if i did it

[warm plinth]

That is completely unnecessary.

[uneven mason]

recrafting gear isn't going to do anything in general

but I mean, I'm a hard supporter of crit

so go for it Yogi

[sick sentinel]

i do like my versa, pumping heart of thunder to 142k crits

[uneven mason]

vers is the most horrendusly expensive stat for ROI

[warm plinth]

yep

[ocean yoke]

crit doubles your damage so thus it must be the best stat

[warm plinth]

Flawless logic

[sand kettle]

was someone saying the 447 crafted weapon was better for m+ than the 441 forgestorm?

[drifting lance]

does anyone know the damage loss of running immovable object vs unstoppable force

[mighty valley]

you can sim this but at high total ilvl, yeah probably so

[mighty valley]

sim it, will be different per character and situation, it's about a 2500dps loss for me

in aoe

[sand kettle]

thanks

[fathom dragon]

What trinkets are best in slot for prot?

[mighty valley]

there's a list of notable ones in pins

[kind urchin]

I got a pi today in raid... Omg it's amazing!

[oblique quarry]

is heroic all totem a dead trinket now?

[modern gazelle]

Any tips for tanking heroic raid? What spells to swap to and when?

[cinder marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tkMu1JjRxA&list=PLHBcemKOV_Ha5JvALRqbrzAp4vdOx42Bj

if you go to her playlist it shows you all bosses

norm and hc

@modern gazelle

[modern gazelle]

i tanked 9/9 normal but havent done heroic so im mostly wondering if there are any spell swaps i need and on which bosses

[cinder marsh]

in the playlist it tells you when to swap on certain bosses.

[modern gazelle]

ah okay thanks

[cinder marsh]

np

[modern gazelle]

so no spell swaps for first like 4 bosses at least based on videos?

talent swaps is what i mean not tank swaps

[vital panther]

yo, in regards to m+ do we still use bstance or stay in dstance? also, is the stat weights the same in m+ as the WoWhead guide for raid? haste>vers=crit>mastery?

[modern gazelle]

is forgestorm still better than heroic mace anyone know?

dont have time to sim it really

[crude notch]

bstance

you stay in bstance until you are spooked, which really shouldn't be the case until 20+

[warm plinth]

@potent anvil @shut summit Hello wonderful friends, hope you are both well and enjoying your WoW time this patch.

[potent anvil]

Killed Echo of nelth

[warm plinth]

huge pog

Congrats

[vital panther]

cheers, wnad what about general idea on stats? i have a few different ways i can build with my gear atm, so just curious

[crude notch]

Ilvl > haste > crit = vers

you'll get some mastery from tier so that'll be enough (and beacon :P)

[vital panther]

thanks legend

[crude notch]

❤️

[frail flame]

Do we go over 30%?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[frail flame]

Thank you!

[warm plinth]

We don't care about DR until the 39% one kicks in

[orchid mural]

just rocked a +23 Uldaman - not gonna lie - Dstance the entire time - that shit is scary

[hallow phoenix]

Uldaman is 100% pure spooky

Spell block helps

[modern gazelle]

@crude notch @warm plinth help, is any raid hero weapon better than 437 forgestorm?

in middle of raid cant sim lol

[modern brook]

Forgesword slightly ahead to comprable ilvl, 441 forgesword out paces a generic 447 in st, but stats win in aoe

[daring marlin]

It's a fucking mace

You knuckledragging buffoon

[crude notch]

imagine calling it forgesword

what a pleb

[daring marlin]

he can't help it

he's a blithering nincompoop

[warm plinth]

Somebody say @lusty grottopoop?

[modern gazelle]

hmm okay, so keep forge for now if its close in aoe and better st

stuck on neltharis in this heroic pug atm

[ionic fern]

Sounds fun.

[modern gazelle]

but for first time tanking heroic and only doing normal for first time on tuesday ill take it haha

didnt honestly think id get this far in heroic this week

well i did a few bosses normal on monday night but not all

[dry spear]

does omnicd also track if someone in my raidgrp uses a cd on me? so i see an icon with the spell and a timer in it?

[modern gazelle]

idk if it does that exactly but it works for raids, i turned it off cause i hate seeing everyones stuff in raids too much clutter

[dry spear]

something like this.

or is this a weak aura?

[ionic fern]

Think that's a WA:

Not 100% sure tho.

[orchid gulch]

Looks like a WA to me

[real kelp]

Hi fellow Warriors.
Is it feasible to just go after Sims as Tank? Am I losing to much tankiness if I am only going for the most dps output gearwise? Or are we tanky enough anyway and it shouldn't make a difference and the best thing is to go for the highest DPS gear anyway? Thx in advance for your input

[crude notch]

Basically, yes. You're gonna want to sim. Your stats aren't going to determine if you live or die in 99.9% of content that you do. Sims however will help you kill things faster and a dead mob does no damage.

[real kelp]

Ok so I'm basically going for the gear that Sims the highest DPS wise then?

[jagged pier]

yes

[modern gazelle]

welp, couldnt kill echo, got him to 3-5% multiple times

but 7/9 heroic pug istn terrible i guess for first day of tanking heroic

[forest fern]

7/9 is where pugs will prob start to struggle, everything before that is fairly chill

[modern gazelle]

traps on zkarn were rough

no one disabling

or killing mobs

[prisma crane]

honestly, if tanks know what they're doing and people dont break walls EXCEPT the tanks, i found Echo much easier than Zskarn

[modern gazelle]

echo felt like a dps check, we were taking sooo long to kill the adds

[prisma crane]

ppl just have to cleave hard

[real kelp]

Thx for your help @jagged pier thx aswell

[prisma crane]

and make sure they spread which holes they stand in

so you dont get extra adds

[modern gazelle]

as tank we stand boss away from add till shield breaks then bring it to add right?

[prisma crane]

yea, just enough so rotational cleaves dont kill players

[forest fern]

You need when the raid shelters in the portals to try have a person in as many as you can, this reduces the number of adds. When they do spawn each pack needs to fully die, no stragglers left up as they can start to one shot at high stacks

[modern gazelle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/J7VpjFghXKwB8Pxz/#fight=6&source=84&view=rankings

[forest fern]

Kill 2 packs, the third just cc’s etc and focus the boss. If still too much health you don’t prob have the dps requirement

[modern gazelle]

dont have echo logs, forgot to start mine but someone else recorded the othe rbosses if anyone can take a look and let me know glaring mistakes i may be making

go easy though it was first time tanking heroic and only 2nd time tanking the raid basically

[prisma crane]

5 ret pallies and they werent dying?

yea people just needed to blow CDs on them if needed

[hardy snow]

dont use M+ talents in raid, check pins for raid build

[modern gazelle]

lmao yeah forgot to mention that too

i had m+ on and swapped but for some reason it didnt finish swapping i guess

[prisma crane]

those look like ST specs in the echo pull im looking at