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proper roost
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play around with a brm or a ppal or something

cinder marsh
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or if you are godly at classic wow and have a lot of paitence try out hardcore but me personly i would never

proper roost
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don't play classic, it's a trap

warm plinth
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Isn't hardcore just your char is deleted if you die?

cinder marsh
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yea i think

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not totally sure tho

warm plinth
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Just don't die then 4head

proper roost
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yeah but no official ruleset just honor system stuff

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it's just, it's vanilla classic so its extremely fucking boring

warm plinth
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Nah there's an actual hardcore mode now I thought?

cinder marsh
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yea

proper roost
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literally just autoattack for 60 levels

cinder marsh
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takese to fucking long to level up

warm plinth
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Because people were talking about appealing to a GM to get their char undeleted and shit

proper roost
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not yet no, they have hardcore classic servers planned but not released yet

mighty valley
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spend 200 hours to get to level 58 then die to an internet hiccup

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sounds v cool

proper roost
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uh, so there's a somewhat unofficial addon that's widely spread for it

cinder marsh
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lol

proper roost
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and people appeal their deaths on the addon to the addon devs

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it's a pretty funny source of drama

warm plinth
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oh

cinder marsh
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yea i like reacting to asmon reacting to top deaths to them people that play it

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it has me dead

proper roost
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the drama around official HC servers is that you won't be able to appeal d/c, griefing deaths

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lol

warm plinth
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Imagine doing hardcore on a PvP realm

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Just get ganked by a rogue out of nowhere

cinder marsh
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yea thats just waiting to get fuked in the ass

warm plinth
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Sitting down eating, get ambush crit

cinder marsh
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im going to try out rogue for pvp i hear its very good

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gets people very mad

toxic pewter
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if u gonna go hardcore go all in

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every1 a threat

cinder marsh
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yea i will stick to the good ol retail

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i wont even do reg classic

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to long

toxic pewter
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funny you mention it though i actually downloaded the addon

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and tried it today

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i made a character and then just logged out lmao

cinder marsh
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lols

toxic pewter
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I just dont have the patience anymore I guess

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Its prob a lot of fun though

cinder marsh
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yea i dont got the paitence like i can get so mad i will break my keyboard

toxic pewter
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yeah that too lol

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honestly wish there was something I could work toward though in DF

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other than I guess achievements

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I guess there is the .1% or whatever for keys

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like a long, expansive questline or something

cinder marsh
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yea like in shadowlands after i got my score in order i achiev fish

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or mount collect

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or just try out all the other classes

toxic pewter
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yeah ive been running a lot of legacy stuff

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Guess I will go play the least played spec

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mistweaver monk

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prob fun tbh

cinder marsh
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yea i only have 4 level 70s but i mained prot warr for since begining of sl

toxic pewter
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nice

cinder marsh
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there was this one time i tried to get this artifact weapon for prot warr that came from legion tower chalange and there was a expensive trinket that would delete the boss for you but after i bought it i found out that that apperence was no longer

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bout quite that night

icy atlas
sleek current
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Nope, unless you're a Guardian Druid in which case you get a different colour of the the mage tower bear model.

icy atlas
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Wtf what's the reason for having it then

sleek current
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You get a recolour of Tomb of Sarg instead now.

icy atlas
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Damn

sleek current
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It's protected by the gatekeepers as well who shout that FOMO should exist and you should feel bad for not doing it during legion so it'll likely never be available again. šŸ¤·

icy atlas
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Lame af

sleek current
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It is what it is, init.

jagged gust
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When the sad reality is nobody has their screens zoomed in enough to even make out what your transmog is or what title you're using so gatekeeping it is a real fucking silly ploy

sleek current
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I know the transmog of one person in my guild and it's because I googled his armoury page to draw a stupid sketch. šŸ˜‚

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Here's the sketch

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toxic pewter
sleek current
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Rion got buns

jagged gust
sleek current
jagged gust
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I have like 20 different mog sets, so it's not like im even loyal to an aesthetic

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sometimes you wanna be a green turtle boi, sometimes a purple power ranger

sleek current
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My asthetic is... Is it red? Yes. I wear it. Is it red? No. I don't wear it.

jagged gust
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ive been feeling sparkly blue lately

warm plinth
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Let the rage begin keks

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jagged gust
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though bfa it was all about the eyes, everything needed eyes on it

toxic pewter
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wish i could get mage tower appearance also

sleek current
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I've basically just wrote off all BFA transmog. Except... The mythic battle of daza'alor shoulder.

toxic pewter
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I will say I got the balance of power appearance and its pretty cool

toxic pewter
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do you guys have tusks of mannoroth

jagged gust
toxic pewter
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ya they are just havent had luck getting them and ive been trying for a while

jagged gust
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ahh icic, I did them on my hunter back in the day but i cant be assed to go through that trouble again

toxic pewter
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yah that skip theyre adding will be nice lol

jagged gust
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oh i didnt hear about that, love a good 'mog skip

toxic pewter
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yah in 10.1.5

jagged gust
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bless those bastards for adding the one to seige

toxic pewter
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gonna be able to skip to the inner sanctum

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ya

waxen vale
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so eaarlier when some peopel looked at my log

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they said not to overlap thigns like last tsand and wall

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i really feel like i need it sometimes is that not good

warm plinth
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Generally you don't want to overlap CDs. What do you need both for?

waxen vale
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just like survivng

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big pulls

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witout rage

warm plinth
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You should not have rage problems in large pulls though?

waxen vale
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like first pull of the dungeon for example

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is talisman cringe this week

warm plinth
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like let's say I'm doing first pull of Freehold. My main priority is getting shield block up so I would charge+avatar>Shield Block, then I'd heroic throw the back pack and pull them both into the side pack. Should be pretty stable šŸ¤·

kind urchin
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If you don't move when the key is put in you can get all of them without having to heroic throw.

chilly brook
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You have avatar, demoralizing shout, ravager etc.

quiet minnow
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Tanky as fuck with io

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Can drop once you get better at managing your own survivability but itā€™s a great talent for a minor dps loss

chilly brook
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Or just press buttons

quiet minnow
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Yea sure, but io is also a good talent

mighty valley
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what CDs are we even talking about overlapping? basically all of them except SW you're throwing on CD

quiet minnow
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Itā€™s such a minor dps loss that if a pwar is having a bit of trouble surviving it is so fucking good that it makes sense to take

chilly brook
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Pressing buttons makes sense over altering talents

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Gotta take the training wheels off at some point

quiet minnow
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Friend itā€™s barely a dps difference and a massive increase to survivability

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Itā€™s an extremely powerful talent that even the best warriors will occasionally take

chilly brook
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Itā€™s also not that difficult to just play prot properly

quiet minnow
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Itā€™s not inting to take io

chilly brook
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I didnā€™t say it was

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Donā€™t make an argument Iā€™m not making

mighty valley
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i think if you're just starting out and struggling to survive your problems are probably not gonna be fixed at all by switching to IO

quiet minnow
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I said itā€™s an additional option

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Not going to solve it entirely no

mighty valley
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i think you need to actually be pretty good to identify the places where IO is smart to take

quiet minnow
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I wouldnā€™t say that. If youā€™re burning rage properly and sending Ava on cd youā€™re naturally going to have it on every pull

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Usually at the start of pull during the most risky part

chilly brook
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I honestly donā€™t know how you would struggle with survival rn

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Most of the dungeons are physical

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Itā€™s not last season

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Press block, press your buttons on CD profit

mighty valley
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by being new to tanking and doing a lot of silly panicking, getting backhit, missing kicks and stops, brainfreezing and letting SB drop, all the usual stuff that kills people

chilly brook
mighty valley
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i'm agreeing with you on that front

quiet minnow
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Burning slashers, basilisk in ulda, snake in ulda, hoi drakes, thereā€™s a few more than a newer tank will struggle with

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Some larger caster packs

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Theyā€™re easily survivable for you and me sure

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Solved mostly by playing better

chilly brook
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I mean I havenā€™t played warrior in over a season

quiet minnow
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Assisted with a cheap talent choice that is at least worth considering

chilly brook
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Not struggling now with my low ilvl warr

quiet minnow
chilly brook
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Like Iā€™m prolly kinda rusty

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But the basics are the same and very simple

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Press block when things are shooting/slashing at you

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And send your CDs as often as possible

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You could legitimately hold W in most of these dungeons and not have to press shield wall and succeed for a significant amount of key levels

quiet minnow
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And yet many people do griff

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So it isnā€™t that easy for lots of ppl (including the guy who came here asking questions)

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Warrior has only 1 real defensive oh shit cd, and io gives you 2. Iā€™m not saying itā€™s a must choose, just to consider that itā€™s an option. Most ppl see the wowhead build or suggested builds that donā€™t take it and donā€™t realize how powerful it is and how minor the dps loss is

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Especially with t30 during LS youā€™re barely hitting tc anyways

chilly brook
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Nothing changes with t30?

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Shield slam was always higher prio than TC

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I legitimately donā€™t think having a small wall when hitting avatar is going to make a huge difference for people already struggling with the class

warm plinth
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Shield Wall isn't an oh shit button either...you don't use DR reactively.

mighty valley
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it's simming as like a 2.5k dps difference for me in aoe

modern gazelle
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what classes can dispel bursting?

vocal verge
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Yeah my feeling with pwar is if you donā€™t plan ahead you just die in challenging content. No oh shits to be had.

mighty valley
chilly brook
modern gazelle
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aight good to know cause i just did a 14 BH and my healer was bitching at me but just looked and he didnt dispell anything the entire run

mighty valley
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dispelling one person isn't often super relevant to bursting

modern gazelle
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i mean one dispel?

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like he couldnt do one dispel?

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to save one of my dps

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like people were dying to burstin after fights

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and he didnt dispell them

mighty valley
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not dispelling anything at all in brackenhide is suspicious but

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bursting management is mostly on the dps

modern gazelle
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dps needed to not pop all at once i agree

mighty valley
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and if the dps can't handle themselves, then it's on the tank to pull moderately

modern gazelle
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but like i was sitting ther ewaiting for next pull and mana cause people had bursting

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and he let a dude die

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and since he clearly didnt dispell once, he couldve just saved him with dispell

mighty valley
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how many stacks were you typically getting?

modern gazelle
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i did super small pulls, one pack at a time max, so max of 2-4 stacks usually

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like no pulls besides with tiny enemies of more than 5-6 mobs

mighty valley
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sounds like they were struggling regardless, sometimes it's better to spend the gcd on an aoe heal rather than dispelling one person when everyone's burning down evenly

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might just not have been a good healer

warm plinth
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It's not about the number of stacks so much as it is not having the stacks happen all at once.

modern gazelle
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hell, everyone was 75% health roughly, so i pull first boss and they all die, i solod the boss

warm plinth
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5 stacks at the same time is a lot easier to heal through than 1 stack which turns into 2 which turns into 3 which turns into 4

mighty valley
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yeah, dps affix

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either kill all so you can mass dispel or pop off mad healing

modern gazelle
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i feel like the boss this week isnt even hard

mighty valley
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or take it slower and actually let stacks drop

modern gazelle
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like if you just dodge mechanics does it really do that much?

mighty valley
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you just described world of warcraft though

warm plinth
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what boss

modern gazelle
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i get that, but bitching at me cause dps die in 3s of boss fight really shouldnt be on me

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first boss

mighty valley
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yeah sounds like a healer who doesn't really know how anything works

modern gazelle
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i literally killed the two melee bosses on my own

mighty valley
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people probably died to fixate, whirlwind, whatever else

modern gazelle
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completley solo

mighty valley
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which isn't on the healer either but if they're mad at you for that, they don't know the fight

modern gazelle
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he complained cause i didnt let him full heal everyone

mighty valley
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anyway, low pug be puggin

modern gazelle
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but on a fort week is 75% hp not enough for the pull?

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they really dont do much damage

vocal verge
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Melee dps try to kill themselves in bh on first boss all the time. The big gnoll doesnā€™t have a frontal cleave. Nope.

warm plinth
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not even a little bit

modern gazelle
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feel like its wasting time to let everyone full heal completely

mighty valley
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what spec was the healer? not that it super matters

modern gazelle
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resto shaman

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i did 57mil healing lol he did 44mil

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which isnt a big deal cause ignore pain gives a ton of healing but still funny

crude notch
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every tank should be outhealing healers at this point

warm plinth
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HPS meters really don't matter at all. A good group will have less healing than a bad group. Some bosses are intense healing checks, others are a snoozefest where they spend the entire time DPSing.

mighty valley
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dps standing in a bladestorm without a defensive will die before the healer can really pad

modern gazelle
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he also took 2nd most damage after one of the dps

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followed by me

mighty valley
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oh well

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bad group

modern gazelle
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just wanted to check

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like im sure i made mistakes but dude seemed adamant that it was on me

crude notch
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so of the 5 people in the group he took the 3rd most damage? that's really not indicative of anything

modern gazelle
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fact he didnt dispell one thing makes me think otherwise though

modern gazelle
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they took 3-4mil more damage overall than the other 2 dps

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dont matter much i mainly just wanted to know about dispells for future and whether he couldve saved some people or not

crude notch
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of the 5 people in the group

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he was 3rd after you and a dps.

mighty valley
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no

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the two were above dawn, the tank

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not that this is ultra relevant to... anything

modern gazelle
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lol

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yeah moving on

crude notch
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gotcha

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at the end of the day

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all you can do is control yourself

modern gazelle
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yeah i mean i just shut up and listened and finished the key, i just wanted to check what class can dispell so i know going forword

mighty valley
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i still wouldn't expect a ton of single target bursting dispels necessarily

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kind of situational

modern gazelle
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is there a way to see what keys you would need to reach 2000io?

modern gazelle
warm plinth
kind urchin
modern gazelle
modern gazelle
warm plinth
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could probably do like...14s of the ones you don't have done on fort and that'd get you there. Might not even need all of them but I'm too lazy to do the exact math right now

modern gazelle
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do you get a tier piece for 2k? or just any random raid piece

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if its tier piece i may actually push for it so i can get my 4p

crude notch
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yes you get an omni token

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if you get 2k, AOTC, or 1.6k PvP rating.

modern gazelle
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ah sweet i might just do that real quick lol

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thatll get me my 4p if i use catalyst

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when low io person denies you on a key you have run multiple times and have a higher io -_- how bad do you want to get carried lol

jagged gust
modern gazelle
jagged gust
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Your DPS will definitely improve but honestly the effect is super lackluster

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Little puff of dust is such a shame to watch lol

urban portal
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effect is lackluster but its still quite good

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its like a 9% dps up

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or 6.5K in bis gear

warm plinth
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You're quite good

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gottem

ionic fern
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HAHA

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LOL

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ROFL

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LMAO

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LMFAO

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What else is there?

crude notch
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OMEGALUL

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TEEHEE

warm plinth
silk kiln
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Uwu

modern gazelle
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how do you pull the last packs in freehold?

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the ones right after crossing the bridge

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someone always pulls the pat, but the caster doesnt move so you cant really pull them away either

warm plinth
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I pull all of it together

remote venture
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Kill them all

warm plinth
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2 at the end of the bridge, the pack on the right, and the patrol

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Gives you the most room and the only thing dangerous to you in that pack is the officer, and you can spell reflect the oiled blade like...half the time? idr the cd on it

modern gazelle
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hmm, fair enough

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do you let painful motivation go through to help?

warm plinth
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No

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You can but it depends on how comfortable you feel with the pull. It's going to make the mobs do 50% more damage so

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up to you if you think that's worth 8% of their max HP

modern gazelle
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might try that

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do you guys lust that pull and first?

ionic fern
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And reflect the Oiled blade or w/e.

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Since majority of healers forget to dispell it.

crude notch
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i too like kicking 150k dps

modern gazelle
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do you guys use the spell reflect essentials WA?

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i like it but have found it misses some spells that are reflectable

real minnow
ionic fern
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I just go by experience mostly.

modern gazelle
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idk who was doing it but i had sooo many butt pulls in my last run the entire time, somehow i lived though

ionic fern
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Always the boomies or the hunters.

proper roost
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people mostly freak out about sea spout

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as long as you can survive that pull (very big if on fort week), the important thing is pulling back ish enough that your group has an area to dodge the sea spouts

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a common tank mistake in freehold is to pull the oarsman pack back onto the top of the bridge to try to evade the pat, so now none of your melee have anywhere to go to dodge sea spout except into the pat's direction, which pulls it and then kills you because you weren't prepared for oiled blade

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that's 100% a very common tank mistake that just bricks freeholds and snowballs over and over

kind urchin
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I just pull all of them. Ends up being safer than trying to dance around and not pull.

modern gazelle
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anyone else play the minigame of trying to get as many interrupts as possible?

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i have a details just for interupts cause i like seeing how many i get by end, if only it counted stuns

proper roost
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it does

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its in misc

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CC applications or something like that

modern gazelle
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oh, cc breaks?

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nice

proper roost
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idr exactly in bed atm

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no cc breaks are if people break a hard cc

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it's somewhere in Misc, crowd control applied or something like that

modern gazelle
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ah found it, cool

restive crown
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is it safe to pull more when the qalashi hunters are running in slow mo behind you and casting shit as they catch up to you? (neltharus)

proper roost
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sometimes

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its not a terrible idea, but it is risky

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its mostly the leap that the hunters do

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it leaves behind a massive dot that healer needs to be prepared for

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the cast the hunters do is totally irrelevant

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Really depends on the context

Pulling more hunters? (e.g. right after chargath) bad idea

Pulling a bunch of nonhunters, like after the broken tiles after chargath - irrelevant, theyll do the same damage

restive crown
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the bold ambush? keeps killing ppl :/

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fervent bramble
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Maybe is stupid question but how are you guys dealing with the zealots stealthed mobs in HOI

restive crown
proper roost
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Yeah you can do that, like I said you just don't really want to pull them to the next set of hunters

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a slightly better idea for them is to chain them, but you only want one chain tops on that set because the next pull is much larger

restive crown
proper roost
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There isnt another set of adds u can pull that isnt another hunter set or way far away

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Best you can do is like two phoenixes and the miniboss

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Or if your group is coordinated you could all run very fast all the way to the chain outside of chargaths room and healer pop cds and chain all of them

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but that would be fairly risky and not doable at all in pugs

restive crown
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haha alright

proper roost
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Relies on your ranged being same place as you so the hunters jump forwards to you to catch up

restive crown
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looks like will js kill them first since i am pugging

proper roost
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Best thing you can do as a tank for pugs is world marker the chain location

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and track chain cds on everyone

echo egret
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What's the best way to deal with Chomp ?

ionic fern
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What chomp?

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The bleed from the crocs in Uldaman? Was that called Chomp?

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Outrange / stun / defensives / dwarf racial.

echo egret
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Yes those, Basilisks in Uldaman and NL

restive crown
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how many stacks can chomp build up to?

ionic fern
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As many as you get hit by.

echo egret
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One per mob ?

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2 stacks is brutal

ionic fern
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Depending on key level, yes.

echo egret
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Add a bursting dot and byebye

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Can you outrange it as they cast it ? Just like the serpent guards in Uld ?

timid thicket
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Those crocs just smash me in seconds

ionic fern
warm plinth
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NL ones are easier because they only cast Chomp once

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The ones in Uld will recast it

echo egret
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... often

real minnow
orchid gulch
fervent bramble
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On the big pack before the 2 mini bosses I pre ravage while charging but ofc I donā€™t have ravaged everytime and it didnā€™t end so well the last time I charged in šŸ˜‚

orchid gulch
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Then you send in the sacrificial DPS to be wrecked

ionic fern
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Charge into one of the visible ones and Thunder Clap

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So far hasn't failed.

fervent bramble
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I tried that

echo egret
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Heroic leap on the middle mob

void heath
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ravager/heroic leap/yolo

graceful cobalt
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should i craft twice the shadowflame effect or only one is good?

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for the extra damage

ionic fern
limber temple
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Shoutout to the Frostfire Belt crew!

graceful cobalt
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thx a lot

river fiber
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Sorry if this has been asked before, but if you have 2 or 4 set, is the "unnerving focus" talent ever more appealing than say Battering ram? Or is the cool down reduction on last stand, and the extra rage generated during that period, not enough to compensate for the loss of the damage granted by the 20% attack speed & 20% damage increase from battering?

jagged pier
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u take unvering focus in raid the build is in the pins

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and u dont drop battering ram for it

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that isnt worth

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u dont drop battering ram

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period

river fiber
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Thanks!

crude notch
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drop battering ram

lucid pasture
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@ionic fern yo can you ban someone real quick

jagged pier
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<@&257983573498265600> ^

lucid pasture
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Ahh didn't have to ping them all keks

jagged pier
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u do

blazing dune
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!ban 1116724232743813222

coral novaBOT
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Banned VrbAlxss#1528

blazing condor
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peepoHappy finally someone recognizes my epic gamer skills

ionic fern
lucid pasture
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Mwahi usually giga fast at responding thought it was enuff šŸ«”

ionic fern
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Just got back from a meeting.

oblique garnet
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Smh irl prison

ionic fern
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Je, the worst prison.

lucid pasture
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Holy moly mwahi wage cage

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That's sucks balls!

oblique garnet
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Think positively mwahi

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Only like

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40 more years šŸ™‚

crude notch
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@warm plinth happy big leveling day

warm plinth
ionic fern
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The summer weather helps ease the pain.

oblique garnet
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Do you have ac at home?

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Also its only gonna make it worse knowing you are gonna be stuck at work while its good weather and as soon as you get home its just gonna be worse

ionic fern
ionic fern
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Set the status as "In a meeting".

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And chill.

oblique garnet
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Either way youre still stuck indoors keks

ionic fern
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Cmon man, i come to Discord to escape the gloom reality of my life.

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Stop bringing it here

amber gate
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Why tf is it whenever i do sheild wall i still get melted sometimes

ionic fern
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Probably because you take a lot of damage?

amber gate
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I donā€™t get it

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Sometimes i take 0 dmmg

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Sometimes i just melt

ionic fern
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I mean..

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Various damage types.

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Are you keeping SB up as well?

oblique garnet
amber gate
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Yes always

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I tanked a 21 took 0 dmmg from adds

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But whenever i tried a 20 even with sheild wall mobs were abt to kill me

ionic fern
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There's no magic here

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You press SW, you take less damage.
If it's mainly magic damage, it will still hurt as it's not mitigated via SB.

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Maybe you also got smacked in the back.

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Idk.

amber gate
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Sometimes i just pop spell sheild

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I assume adds have magic xD

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Sometimes itā€™s good sometimes itā€™s a waste

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Is it worth using sheild wall and spell sheild at the same time ?

ionic fern
#

No.

amber gate
#

What should i use first

lucid pasture
amber gate
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SW or SS

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Letā€™s say in both scenarios adds have magic

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Whatā€™s the better approach

orchid gulch
#

Depends on the cast

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SW reduces by a flat 40%, no matter the amount, Spellblock applies your block value to spells

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The higher the damage, the better SW becomes, for more frequent stuff, Spellblock is more useful

amber gate
#

I think i have a high amount of that

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Cuz whenever SW is up no matter the tyrannical diff bosses do no dmmg for example underrot second boss frontal

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Cuz iā€™m stacked on mastery from my fury spec

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I have almost no vers but alot of haste mastery

oblique garnet
orchid gulch
#

Mastery isn't bad, but you might want to reduce that for more haste >crit/vers

amber gate
#

Meeh does it make a diff while tanking

orchid gulch
#

Yes

amber gate
#

How much

orchid gulch
#

Crit gives you parry. Which negates the entire attack

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Vers gives you a flat damage reduction, which is nice for magic or bleed damage

amber gate
#

Ah yea even in fury i sometimes parry the shockwave from the serpent 0 dmmg taken

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I have like 19% crit

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I thought crit only gives critical block ?

oblique garnet
#

thats mastery

orchid gulch
#

Mastery gives you block and crit block chance with some AP. Block chance is eh, due to shield block giving us a 100% block chance anyways, crit block is nice to have but a gamble worse than crit

amber gate
#

I see

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Should start using those haste crit ring i got

orchid gulch
#

Would be a start

amber gate
#

Whatā€™s the amount of haste

orchid gulch
#

Yes

amber gate
#

Like that would be good

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That i wouldnā€™t wanna go below

orchid gulch
#

As prot you always stack haste

ember tangle
#

A change in secondaries is not gonna make a major difference, the biggest thing is to learn what hurts and use defnesives appropriately

orchid gulch
#

The hypothetical breakpoint would be somewhere around 40% unbuffed

amber gate
#

Bruh

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I canā€™t get there even with fury

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Unbuffed u mean even without the 5% haste talent ?

ember tangle
#

So if you main fury, just stack the stats for that and you can do alright as prot

orchid gulch
#

You can do fine with any combination of stats, a decent composition does help quite a bit though

ember tangle
#

Haste makes a difference

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The others too but way less so

amber gate
#

What about revenge

orchid gulch
#

Rage dump

amber gate
#

I never know when i should use it

ember tangle
#

But no stats will make a difference between no damage and melting

amber gate
#

But i could rage dump even with Ip

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Whenever i use revenge i regret it sometimes

orchid gulch
#

IP has a cap, though. And Revenge procs SS so you get more rage to feed the AM engine

orchid gulch
lucid pasture
orchid gulch
#

Easiest way is to know which packs do the damage and adjust, that's why we get SW and our CD reductions on it

lime urchin
oblique garnet
ember tangle
#

ofc the damage we take will wary, but the blazing slashes in neltharus will hurt us always

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unless we use SW or spell block

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the bleeds in neltharions lair and uldaman also truck us

#

regardless of stats

#

we can parry them yes (some of them i don't know if we can parry them all)

#

but it's not a sure thing regardless of any amount of crit we get

#

on the other hand, anything blockable will usually be totally fine

#

regardless of stats

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as long as we have shield block up, which becomes easier with more haste, but with running bolster and ITF it really isn't hard

crude notch
lucid pasture
sick sentinel
#

atm im no longer running spell block

orchid gulch
# ember tangle unless we use SW or spell block

Stats do help, though, as versa would reduce this damage as well instead of stacking haste mastery.

But as we both said, it is best to know what hurts you in the dungeon and adapt accordingly

oblique garnet
#

No clue which bleeds in NL you are talking about

orchid gulch
#

Or the Vikeshard Hulks... Or Rokmora

sullen gust
#

So on vortex pinnacle, I find asaad chain lightning cast fucks someone up and ruins most of my runs. Is it possible to intervene and use spell reflect in conjunction to reflect the mechanic without it hitting my ally?

oblique garnet
#

Hulks im not sure but you can reflect ? i think

orchid gulch
#

Nah

oblique garnet
#

Also you play immovable object so you just have wall for every frontal anyways

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Or rather the bleed

orchid gulch
vocal nimbus
#

Cant reflect shard

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Crocs are dangerous only if you stack some

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Aggro them crocs and run

frosty mist
#

On which trashs are we using spellblock in ulda/nethalrion ?

vocal nimbus
#

If you are pulling hulks in neltharion you can use spell block

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I dont run it at all in that dungeon

#

In neltharus you wanna spell block the blazing slash from the wardens (first two mobs and the others that are on the way to last boss)

frosty mist
#

Hulks ? Big earth elemental that throw shards ?

vocal nimbus
frosty mist
vocal nimbus
#

In uldaman you can spell block a lot of casters

frosty mist
#

Yes but they target randomly no ?

vocal nimbus
#

No

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If you have enough kicks and cc you may control them but sometimes the casts go off

ember tangle
frosty mist
#

But I don't see which one will keep casting things on me. Geomancers target everybody, dwarfs too I think

vocal nimbus
sick sentinel
#

crocodiles in lair?

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before the grubs?

#

i normally get my extra % at the end of the dungeon for that one, there is 2 packs, 1 of 2 humaniods that do cave in (take them on red lav so its higher contrast for dps to seem cave ins) and scorpion boy too

shut summit
vocal nimbus
#

What targets everybody is the unkickable blizzard stone or something

#

Dunno its nake in english

#

Name*

modern gazelle
oblique garnet
#

Hail of stones iirc

modern gazelle
#

stayed up all night lmao

#

but i wanted it

#

now i have my 4 piece

vocal nimbus
#

Also chain lighting can jump to your party if you are close to somebody

modern gazelle
#

took me 8 days for 4 piece, 430ilvl and 2k io after hitting 70

frosty mist
modern gazelle
vocal nimbus
#

Boss adds dont get fortified i think

shut summit
#

we just skip crocs on trash where we can and ignore adds on boss, kill them with damage amp when totem dies

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just make sure to kick caster, esp chain lightning

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can drag berserkers into boss so he gets dmg amp when they get low

modern gazelle
shut summit
#

are some vods on twitch, wasn't streaming the ulda

modern gazelle
shut summit
#

/snse

crude notch
#

typical warrior

#

can't even spell your name right smdh

modern gazelle
#

dude this feels so good

image.png
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gonna be sweet in dungeons

crude notch
#

grats

modern gazelle
#

ty

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i didnt realize i could get my 3rd piece from the 2k io achievement, once someone told me i just grinded those all day xD

crude notch
#

Oh you got 2k too? Nice!

modern gazelle
#

next goal is aotc and pushing past +20's at the minimum

sick sentinel
modern gazelle
modern gazelle
#

i was thinking of crafting pants though rather than keep these

sick sentinel
#

if you are just doing dungeons, only 1 haste cloak, from VP

modern gazelle
#

i stll have 1 spark of shadowflame

#

apparently underrot has these legs

cinder storm
#

This gaming year is shaping to be good, SF6, D4, FF16, AC, its like the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse

#

I got my 4pc on my war and still havent tested it out keks

modern gazelle
#

decided to craft boots actually, gonna farm those pants from underrot and back from VP instead

sudden tangle
#

does the recent changes to prot have any impact on the best m+ build currently?

hardy snow
sick sentinel
#

3700 gold in 15 minutes from looting those stupid tuskarr chests that are all over the map

cinder storm
crude notch
sudden tangle
#

Someone got touched by a simple question lol

#

Yeah I am just trying to figure out if TL is worth running

crude notch
#

But no the changes to TL and Spell Block didn't change the best m+ build.

sudden tangle
#

Currently dropped the extra 2 sec on SB and its working okay

#

just sometimes I feel like its not up and its like oh shit but then again LS is up every minute

#

please damage reduction from demo shout

#

plus*

grizzled citrus
#

How much vers should I be looking at on prot? My vers is mega low around 11-15% and in struggling to tank certain bosses on heroic

sudden tangle
#

Like to keep it around there

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Whats your ilvl

crude notch
grizzled citrus
#

Alright cool ty

crude notch
#

No

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NOOO

grizzled citrus
#

229 in prot

crude notch
#

There's no number you're looking for

modern gazelle
grizzled citrus
#

I main fury spec so my gears kinda all over

crude notch
#

You just grab stats.

#

Most stats

#

all stats.

modern gazelle
#

i was told skill issue if you rely on verse so i went as close to 0 as i could

#

šŸ˜›

sudden tangle
#

LOL

grizzled citrus
#

Lmao

sudden tangle
#

Theres no number you looking for

#

Stat prios dont exist apparently lol

#

15-20 is a good number in my experience though

#

mastery is so meh

#

haste and vers are super important

chilly brook
sudden tangle
#

crit is nice for dmg

chilly brook
#

You just want ilvl

sudden tangle
#

but always ilvl tell you gear

crude notch
#

Crit is nice for def

chilly brook
#

Ilvl is bigger than any prio

sudden tangle
#

then you can start min maxing

crude notch
#

but apparently you don't know what defensive value it has

sudden tangle
#

Hey Griff

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My name is Matt too

#

Therefore we are correct

chilly brook
#

Oh hi Matt

crude notch
#

You can't both be correct

grizzled citrus
#

My main hand and shield are kinda ass too tbh

crude notch
#

When he quite literally disagrees with your statement

sudden tangle
#

Matt why is Jordan trying to bait us

chilly brook
#

Jordan is Jordan

sudden tangle
#

Hes always been that way

crude notch
#

I'm not baiting

sudden tangle
#

Since we were kids

chilly brook
#

Idk whatā€™s going on I just got here

crude notch
#

He literally disagreed with your statement

chilly brook
#

Iā€™m tired

modern gazelle
#

hey man i have 18% parry with my crit

#

i be blocking shit completely

sudden tangle
#

Im tired of his crap too

modern gazelle
#

who needs health when i just dont take the damage

crude notch
#

mckriel?

sudden tangle
#

Dawn now you talking brother

crude notch
#

What is your deal?

sudden tangle
#

BASED

modern gazelle
#

also with the crit i kill faster

#

dont take damage if enemy dead

sudden tangle
#

Bro if they die fast

#

They cant dps you

modern gazelle
#

šŸ¤”

sudden tangle
#

You win

crude notch
#

I regret defending you

#

@hardy snow i take it all back be a dick to this guy

sudden tangle
#

JORDAN I WILL DEFEND YOU TILL THE BITTER END

hardy snow
modern gazelle
#

no but really i prob should get at least like 10% vers lmao

#

shit gonna start hurting

sudden tangle
#

Vers is a very reliable stat, a bit boring but reliable

hardy snow
#

vers is slightly better in raid due to lots of magic dots and other magic dmg, and crit is slightly better in M+ due to parry and dmg

sudden tangle
#

Just get ilvl though

hardy snow
#

but its small diff and more stats the better

sudden tangle
#

If its good stats its just a bonus

crude notch
icy atlas
#

Except with that stupid silent star cape that drops your health due to no stamina

sudden tangle
#

Jordan wants us to go to university over here

#

Read his paper, become a professor

crude notch
#

Nah I just want you to stop providing false information

sudden tangle
#

Jordan Im telling mom you're being mean to me

chilly brook
#

Vers is kinda bad

sudden tangle
#

Matt, dude hes doing it again

crude notch
#

Except I didn't prompt him at all

#

Cringelord Mckriel

cinder storm
crude notch
#

vers is overhyped, bfa is over.

cinder storm
#

thats not news

sudden tangle
#

Bro Jordan wants you to get a PHD in Versatility to prove his point

chilly brook
#

Like well into diminishing returns

cinder storm
#

everyone knows that

sudden tangle
#

Exactly

chilly brook
#

Unfortunately they donā€™t

sudden tangle
#

Crayon language is so much better

cinder storm
#

zug zug

sudden tangle
#

work work

dusky canopy
#

ā€œVers is reliableā€

icy atlas
#

So does Crit not suffer from diminishing returns like vers?

dusky canopy
#

All stats DR

#

Crit gives more damage than Vers

#

It also provides parry so somewhat defensive

icy atlas
#

Does parry chance scale at all with key level? Or is if flat across all difficulties

dusky canopy
#

Your parry chance will be whatever it is consistently through all key levels

#

The problem with Vers is you need at least around28% to lower the key by one level

#

And 28% Vers is ALOT

sick sentinel
#

you know, hell, thats not a half bad idea, craft a cloak

#

at least i can get a haste versa cloak that way!

dusky canopy
#

So itā€™s actually not ā€œreliableā€ to try stacking Vers as a tank

#

At least not this tank

vale escarp
#

Parry chances scale with enemy level as far as I know, you got higher Parry chance vs a lvl 70 Mob than a lvl 72

sick sentinel
#

i have 20% versa atm

vale escarp
#

But enemy lvl wont change in m+

dusky canopy
#

Yes but dungeon mobs are the same level, their hp and dam scales

sick sentinel
#

isn't there some shit about you DR or the mob attacking you, DR's on parries on you?

dusky canopy
#

You will never stack Vers again unless they introduce a way to get it to extreme levels again like corruptions from bfa

sick sentinel
#

similiar to 3 stun DR rule

#

THE ONLY dungeon haste cloak, thank god crit is the other secondary

#

but even then, haste is the lower of the 2 stats

dusky canopy
#

Perfect

sick sentinel
#

well, i might just craft a damn cloak now

dusky canopy
#

Iā€™m doing boots whenever I get the spark again xan

modern gazelle
#

Boots, neck, shield and belt are my crafted pieces

#

With fire flash on them

sick sentinel
#

i could do ring haste versa if i want to be the true haste versa nerd

sleek current
#

So, Icy Veins says that Insidious Chill doesn't stack with Curse of Weakness but, I believe numbing poison does stack with it. Is that correct?

sick sentinel
#

2 haste versa rings, lets go

dusky canopy
#

Dawn itā€™ll be the same for me once I make the boots

dusky canopy
modern gazelle
#

Gonna get the underdog legs and the VP back

#

Thatā€™ll finish my gear I think till I get aspect/hero stuff

#

And some trinkets

#

Still not sure what rings are worth it. I have crit/haste ring and onyx right now

sick sentinel
#

see, yah, i legit can do legs too,

image.png
#

haste versa legs, ofc

dusky canopy
#

Now thatā€™s a tree

#

Itā€™s too bad they donā€™t let us respec our profession trees

#

I kinda get why but would be nice

vale escarp
#

If you did your Quests every week you should easiely be finished with Blacksmith in link 5 weeks from now

#

7-8 month without extra Farming okayge

tame coyote
#

I was looking at some logs and noticed, many prefer to take up Bounding Stride over Honed Reflexes, is this mainly preference or am I missing something here?

#

^ for M+

dusky canopy
#

Honed reflex is really a waisted point because you will almost always reset SS before the 1 sec cd from the talent would even make a difference

#

Is it technically a dps gain? Yes, is it reliable? Nope. Very few time will you gain from it

crude notch
#

"If you did your quests every week"

Bro I'm trying to play the game, not work another job.

dusky canopy
#

Yeah I will not waste my time doing the RP shit in wow if I donā€™t have too

#

But hey if somebody enjoys it good for them Iā€™m not hating

crude notch
#

no

#

all the hate

dusky canopy
crude notch
tame coyote
dusky canopy
#

Oh and to answer your question dropping honed for bounding is a preference yes you could also take something else besides bounding if you wanted

#

1 sec cdr on interrupt is pretty irrelevant

sick sentinel
#

i really do think i might want to craft that cloak

#

gives me choice of haste/X and equally balanced haste/X

#

legs, i can do legs in another 2 weeks past that

hardy snow
#

i have some weird issue with echo of neltharion in p2, had this happened few times already, after i got debuff, i go to other side to break the wall aaaand... its not breaking and im stuck behind it, on next time i do same thing and it breaks, am I doing something wrong or what?

dusky canopy
#

Nope Iā€™ve been kicked from pugs for the same thing happening

#

most people who are not a tank donā€™t even realize that is a thing

sick sentinel
#

think i should bother going for binders of maldering

toxic pewter
dusky canopy
#

You have 500 haste on your currently equipped

#

I would say negative

#

And itā€™s hero track

sick sentinel
#

ah, i guess

crude notch
#

LOOK AT ALL THAT DR YOU GAIN OMG. .6%

dusky canopy
#

Lmao

#

The Vers gang people are funny

#

Imagine not having 40% Crit

sleek current
#

Where would one see if Curse of Weakness was cast in a log?

sick sentinel
#

nothiing else i can really farm out of dungeons

#

just lair dps trniket

#

only forge storm and lair trinket

dusky canopy
#

Could probably look at the locks casts too

#

Probably event casts

proper roost
#

enemy

#

debuff

solar rivet
#

Is it normal for prot warriors to have the most HPS in M+

#

genuine question

dusky canopy
#

Yes

#

That means your group played well

#

Healer didnā€™t have to heal

solar rivet
#

Nice, thanks

dusky canopy
pallid quiver
#

As long as the run clears and nobody dies, you shouldn't worry about HPS, yeah

dusky canopy
proper roost
#

could also mean you pulled like a bitch and your healer had literally nothing to heal

#

cuz u pulled small constantly

dusky canopy
#

LOL

#

Tru

crude notch
#

or you're not a warrior

pallid quiver
#

or you had DPS who actually pressed defensives or stopped casts

crude notch
#

and you're a bear or dk

proper roost
#

never had a pwar outheal me but most likely just only played with bad pwar

#

always have non pwar outheal

crude notch
#

first pull of freehold 21

GUrKhxE.png
dusky canopy
#

Oh thatā€™s it?

proper roost
#

theres no group heal needed on that pull except for 1-2 shattering bellows

#

and maybe a poison pool

#

i just pure dps that pull unless the tank is bad

crude notch
#

Bursting disagrees

#

In fact most of my HPS is AtW bursting healing

proper roost
#

i have never done a freehold this week without a spriest

#

actually i
dont think ive done any key this week without a spriest

crude notch
#

yeah but

#

who asked?

proper roost
#

had a neltharus yesterday where the guy kept mass dispelling at 1 stack with 5 other mobs at 20% tho

crude notch
proper roost
#

having a yogi moment rn fr

crude notch
#

you are?

#

it's okay i still love you kanga

chilly brook
crude notch
#

are you gonna steal his picnic basket?

proper roost
#

but yeah idk i just press healing rain maybe press an AG at the end, no thoughts head empty

#

chain lightning

crystal mauve
crude notch
#

take care of dn

sick sentinel
#

i dislike neltharus so i cant comment

crude notch
#

man where tf is my xp buff

chilly brook
crude notch
solar rivet
toxic pewter
#

Whatā€™s the best pandaria rep to grind for cool stuff

crude notch
#

used to be anglers

#

but

#

don't need that anymore

proper roost
#

the raft toy still owns on extremely random occasions

crystal mauve
toxic pewter
#

I have boat from azure span

proper roost
#

and weirdly requires rep

sick sentinel
solar rivet
#

But at the end of the day, timing the key is timing the key

crystal mauve
solar rivet
#

I do feel pretty indestructible if all my buttons are up, its nice

crude notch
#

well that comes with running the dungeon enough to learn

solar rivet
#

Yeah, still new to tanking

crystal mauve
solar rivet
#

just a +2, still only 380 ilvl on fresh warrior

proper roost
#

oh

solar rivet
#

I feel I could handle a lot more

crude notch
#

in a +2 you can pull the whole dungeon

#

kicks don't matter

#

and wait

crystal mauve
#

You can probably do a +2 naked lol

crude notch
#

you were worried about hps in a +2?

solar rivet
#

Dawg I have no knowledge

#

I come here to learn

#

Very new to all of this

proper roost
#

tanks can fully solo and time a key prob up to like +6 at their appropriate gear levels

crystal mauve
sick sentinel
#

just slam SW reflect IP

proper roost
#

why are you doing this yogi

solar rivet
#

thought "I could probably solo a lot of this"

sick sentinel
#

in the key level im doing it doesn't make a difference

crystal mauve
pallid quiver
#

It's difficult to really stress things out in a +2, since the scaling tends to be more severe among higher tier keys; a +2 is barely any worse than a standard Mythic dungeon, so you can get by with some real low gear

solar rivet
#

Finding it hard to get accepted into other keys if I'm not overgeared

pallid quiver
#

But even in the higher key levels, it's still possible for Prot War to top HPS if mechanics are done well by the group as a whole

crude notch
#

Well yeah

sick sentinel
#

lairs final boss, the hide mechanic, is total fuckin horse shit

crude notch
#

You're not gonna get accepted into much with 380 and no io

sick sentinel
#

saiys go hide and then i go hide every damn time hit for 1 tick

pallid quiver
#

That'd be because you're competing with people who have a past track record on characters and people who are bungo geared hitting low levels keys for whichever reason (crests for off spec stuff, specific trinkets, etc)

crude notch
#

How many whelpling crests do you have @solar rivet

proper roost
#

you get 410+ just doing world quests

crude notch
#

Like the base ilvl rn is 408

proper roost
#

so prob just do that its literally ur fastest gearing track

sick sentinel
#

do world quests and junk until you are ilvl 395+

crystal mauve
solar rivet
sick sentinel
#

doesn't matter what gear you get, pepega or not, all gear will help u immensly right now

#

anything weith a higher ilvl

crystal mauve
#

I'm gald I have some friends who needs a tank for their weekly 20 cause otherwise I don't get invited in any groups :/

sick sentinel
#

do the 5 LFD heroics quest is my opinion

crude notch
#

Yogi

sick sentinel
#

you get a garunteed 415

crude notch
#

that's a different person

proper roost
#

let him cook

crude notch
#

Unless you're still talking to the original person, then have at it Hammy

sick sentinel
#

im speaking to the person who says they are currently 380

#

but to any lurkers also

proper roost
#

if you are a lurker, use the winds of sanctuary buff to level a bear before 10.1.5

#

trust me they'll own

toxic pewter
#

How are you having trouble getting into groups when youā€™re only doing +2ā€™s?? Lol wat?

proper roost
#

it's not too late to play a better tank

sick sentinel
#

it's not too late to play a better game

solar rivet
proper roost
#

ok yogi is right

solar rivet
#

my wow friends gave me a list of realms to avoid

#

for pugging

toxic pewter
proper roost
#

Uh oh we are about to enter very spicy territory

#

time to go make lunch

pallid quiver
#

you can generally ignore that; it's usually based on sheer meme status, and not the good kind

Unless they gave you the OCE realms while you're NA; then it'd be because ping issues

toxic pewter
#

Go to a training dummy if anything

sick sentinel
#

groups will constantly look to you for what needs to be done

solar rivet
#

so I should get elitism helper addon

cinder storm
#

No

solar rivet
toxic pewter
#

???

solar rivet
#

sarcasm

cinder storm
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I've healed tanks who wont press their mitigation buttons on keys under 6, just get some gear and do your basic rotation in dungeons, you will be fine

solar rivet
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okokok I go pug more keys, I ran out of world quests

crude notch
sick sentinel
crude notch
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i'd decline a 0 io 380 tank as well tbf

sick sentinel
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this ice cave is really cool

toxic pewter
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I was on my bear whos like 376 I had no issues to get into 2s yesterday

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But I see your point yeah

crude notch
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you also have main score, no?

toxic pewter
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Does it appear for a new alt

proper roost
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ok tbf people doing 2s dont look at io

crude notch
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ye

proper roost
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and it doesnt, u need like 200 io or something for it to start showing up

crude notch
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true

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my point still stands

proper roost
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At that point u should really just do ur own key though so declines are completely irrelevant

toxic pewter
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Either way i still think heā€™s focusing on wrong stuff anyway

sick sentinel
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the first 1000 io is free

proper roost
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For a new alt push your own key to 11-15

modern light
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is forgestorm our bis wep?

proper roost
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Spam 15s

crude notch
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if you're too lazy to get 408 you're too lazy to be in my key

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get out

proper roost
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til not rat gear

toxic pewter
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Lol

proper roost
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or just bring a very beleaguered alt healer and torture them in 17s

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healed a few 17s with rat alt 405 vdh last week, was an experience

sick sentinel
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there is no waygate to zeralek right

toxic pewter
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Wyrmhole generator can get there but no dragonscale expedition waygate

sick sentinel
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ya, i got the wyrm hole adaptor the other day

sullen gust
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So ya boi is making some engineer bracers, anyone know what safety component would be best for me to whack in there?

toxic pewter
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Are you an engineer or no

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Prob just the 15% less chance for it to fail if youā€™re not an engineer with the multiple specialization nodes to prevent tinkers from failing

sullen gust
dusky canopy
unique kelp
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I did it, btw. It's a bit uncomfortable, but no looking back (or down, I guess).

inland garnet
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Someone playing with Alacrious or Watcher trinkets in M+? I am looking forward to chewing health pots like gums with the former one. Worth it?

dire sparrow
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Finally killed M rashok tonight no Monk or WF sad times šŸ˜¦

jagged pier
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yer but u have beacon

dire sparrow
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haha yeah, maybe heroic beacon would have tipped me over the edge šŸ˜‚

charred ivy
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hmm my raid team want me to tank raid tofday while i never did raid tanking. i dont need spell block?

plush tendon
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for what?

charred ivy
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just copied some build of wowhead

plush tendon
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as in, what are you doing tonight?

charred ivy
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just HC

plush tendon
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naw

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Spell Block not needed in Heroic

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just use Nom's raid build in the pins

charred ivy
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kk xD anything in general i need know? i have thti co tank aura or w/e

plush tendon
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nothing really past then the normal tech mechs tbh

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really nothing warrior specific to worry about in Heroic

charred ivy
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never did normal also. never tanked a raid before atall

plush tendon
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this should give you a brief overview of each fight/ taunt swaps, mechs, etc.

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otherwise, not much to it

charred ivy
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kk ty

potent gulch
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On 1 try before buff I ended on 83k. At 6.20.

dire sparrow
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ahh rip

potent gulch
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3 beacon crits

dire sparrow
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yeah i had 1 crit

cinder marsh
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sup yall, yall know that artifact appearence for prot warr that comes out of that one cave in highmountain. Is that still available to get?

dire sparrow
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yeah you can get it

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just gotta check back each day

cinder marsh
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ok

dusky canopy
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RIP Reddit apparently?

plush tendon
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I guess

proper roost
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good lol

dusky canopy
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Iā€™m not really a huge ā€œredditorā€ but like it was a pretty nice source of information sometimes

proper roost
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site should be deleted

plush tendon
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but what else can I read when Im on the toilet?

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I cant like, open up disc and read that

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that would be insanity!

dusky canopy
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Inb4 discord starts doing weird things to consumers

crude notch
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yeah imagine them doing weird things

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like forcing their consumers into a new username format 8 years into their existence

dusky canopy
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Easier on the targeted adds algorithm

unique kelp
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That would be just an insane decision.

tranquil sphinx
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how much haste is too much haste?

unique kelp
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I don't understand the question?

tranquil sphinx
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good

sick sentinel
tranquil sphinx
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just checkin

sick sentinel
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sooon

tranquil sphinx
unique kelp
tranquil sphinx
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4 money

sick sentinel
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i got BOTH 437 rokmora and talisman now

unique kelp
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I mean sure, there's a point where it probably won't make a noticeable difference, but... Haste go brr

tranquil sphinx
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got 32% atm, just wanted to make sure i didnt go too crazy lol

unique kelp
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To get a serious answer, there's been several discussions around it. Let's see if I can find a Nome quote for you.