and u can use avatar as an offensive ability
#protection
jaunty granite
idc about damage i just dont want to be sat ill run whatever scuffed build
crude notch
((Gets sat because he's doing 9k))
jagged pier
i mean that build is literal garbage
jaunty granite
if i can live bombs idc
jaunty granite
does no one here do bombs on zskarn as prot
lusty grotto
i mean id hate to say it but not getting sat because he wants to be in, is a pretty selfish answer to having someone that could take the physical dot a lot better
prisma crane
storm of steel
jaunty granite
the prob is the guy who takes 3rd tank slots is super inconsistent at showing up
and he no shows
prisma crane
good rage gen from distance
jaunty granite
yeah but they can make a hpal go prot and he usually tanks M+ keys and heroic and all that but he prefs healing
dusky canopy
Prot war is probably the worse bomb tank
jaunty granite
but they need immunities so they need to prune non immunity dps
modern gazelle
I have chest/hands tier pieces, is there any specific piece worth using my catalyst on? I have that i can use it on
jagged pier
i mean in general prot warrior is the worst tank for that fight
lusty grotto
Prot war is probably the worse bomb tank
worst zskarn tank* fixed that for you
jagged pier
on both fronts
jaunty granite
thats why im a good candidate to be sat unfortunately
prisma crane
fucking bleeds need to be affected by armor, would solve half this damn problem
prisma crane
why should a bomb w/ shrapnel do the same dmg to me in plate as a blindfolded BDSM cosplayer
lusty grotto
but i see what youre saying
dusky canopy
Carlo you’re guild is literally shooting your feet if they’re making you be the bomb tank
jaunty granite
lets say we have bdk and brm and they're both very solid tanks would it be better to have one of them run bombs and me on boss but i have essentially 0 mythic raid tanking experience outside of a few niche instances
chilly brook
why should a bomb w/ shrapnel do the same dmg to me in plate as a blindfolded BD...
Because bombs don’t care about your armor
dusky canopy
Yes the monk
jaunty granite
the other 2 tanks are long term mythic raid tanks and im like no experience tank andy
chilly brook
Shockwaves and physics are a helluva thing
prisma crane
Because bombs don’t care about your armor
well they should. It's time to make armor great again
lusty grotto
hes gonna get absolutely destroyed if he hasnt tanked zskarn before
modern gazelle
I have chest/hands tier pieces, is there any specific piece worth using my catal...
anyone got advice for what to use my catalyst on?
uneven mason
dusky canopy
And they’re extremely slow
uneven mason
dusky canopy
So it’ll be hold W simulator
chilly brook
Iirc bleeds were affected by armor like bfa or something
And then they removed that
jagged pier
second wind will do nothing
jaunty granite
why not take intervene for the extra mobility
lusty grotto
yup griff
urban portal
why should a bomb w/ shrapnel do the same dmg to me in plate as a blindfolded BD...
It’s mainly dps balance I think
jagged pier
u dont need intervene
urban portal
They don’t want paladins to be invulnerable to bleeds
prisma crane
It’s mainly dps balance I think
sure but they have the tech to make it role and pvp/pve specific
prisma crane
yea, but still, they can say, if tank, armor matters
chilly brook
yup griff
I think it was like very early during Uldir or right before it when they removed bleeds from being affected by armor?
prisma crane
im you want enduring alacrity in that build as well @uneven mason
lusty grotto
idk cant remember griff
dusky canopy
anyone got advice for what to use my catalyst on?
Dawn there is no straight answer we would need to see your character and then play around with sims to find the best option
prisma crane
But yeah bdk invalidates bleeds
yep, they invalidate all dot dmg, its nutty, anything that doesnt one shot they're gods against
jaunty granite
ok 1 sec
uneven mason
I think it was like very early during Uldir or right before it when they removed...
It was beta
modern gazelle
Dawn there is no straight answer we would need to see your character and then pl...
first time using catalyst so dont want to waste it, whats the best way to see which piece would be worth upgrading?
dusky canopy
Yeah the whole “what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger” is totally BDK vibes
uneven mason
Because I remember losing my mind in the BFA prot beta over how shit state they were putting warriors in
chilly brook
We would have been gods for bleeds
dusky canopy
first time using catalyst so dont want to waste it, whats the best way to see wh...
Show me your character and I’ll make an educated guess for you
Otherwise simming each option is the best way
modern gazelle
Show me your character and I’ll make an educated guess for you
im in general voice
uneven mason
"Lets give warriors Iron Fur, but with way less rage"
prisma crane
would have also made armor pots fun again
chilly brook
I just remember everyone coping hard
prisma crane
i remember for a bit armor pots were bis in legion
chilly brook
And I was like “we’ll be fine”
dusky canopy
im in general voice
I can’t voice right now I’m at work on mobile
chilly brook
uneven mason
And I was like “we’ll be fine”
Oh look a rock
modern gazelle
I can’t voice right now I’m at work on mobile
was just sharing screen to show character, do you just want screenshots of my stats, or each item?
chilly brook
Oh look a rock
I mean we were fine lol
uneven mason
warrior vs rock in bFA 8.0 was like 🍅 vs 🔨
dusky canopy
Screenshot your character panel and show me it or link me to your armory
chilly brook
Actually more than fine, other than not being able to block projectiles
dusky canopy
We pretend the dark ages didn’t happen ikar
lusty grotto
you mean 👢 🍵👏 ing zul adds in uldir is the dark ages?
smh my head
but yeah thank god for the projectile change
dusky canopy
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/malganis/verelix
What kind of content do you do comfortably +11s?
modern gazelle
What kind of content do you do comfortably +11s?
i can comfortably do up to like 14-15 id say
uneven mason
I think the most repeated line in 8.0 was "warriors are fine, it's the players that suck"
modern gazelle
havent done much 16+ but my ilvl has incrased a lot since i did the last 16 i did, so i feel like i could prob do a 16-17 with the right group
dusky canopy
Ok so you can either hold out for a champion track piece to use on catalyst or you could send it on the helm since it’s already 437*
Both good options
prisma crane
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/malganis/verelix
with your gear like that, i would consider waiting to use the catalyst until after you've tried the raid
modern gazelle
with your gear like that, i would consider waiting to use the catalyst until aft...
i just did raid this morning
i only hit 70 last week and was unlucky last night and this morning didnt really get much gear :/
modern gazelle
normal
modern gazelle
oh yeah, but is lfr gear worth it?
prisma crane
and can get you 4p sooner
dusky canopy
To be completely honest
I would not use the catalyst charge
Until you get two charges of it
Or
You get a tier piece from loot drops first
That way
You can guarantee 2pc as soon as you get a tier item to drop
lusty grotto
agreed
dusky canopy
Yes as nim said
Your armory must not be up to date for some reason
It shows 0pc for me
lusty grotto
yeah did you get it today?
modern gazelle
yeah
lusty grotto
cause yesterday you said you had 0
modern gazelle
i have 441 gloves from vault and 421 chest from raid
chilly brook
yeah in raid we were kings
For sure we wouldn’t have been meta in dungies if we didn’t get projectile blocking though
prisma crane
yea basically, right now getting 4p is a big deal, and while it's ideal to use on your helm, if you get a helm from LFR, you might as well use on shoulders to get 4p instead
chilly brook
Man
modern gazelle
sounds good, ill pray for shoulders then i can up my helm
lusty grotto
at the end of the day youll have more charges than you know what to do with them anyway
prisma crane
laptops are bis
modern gazelle
also after i get the 4 piece do i just use catalyst to upgrade the ilvl of my tier pieces?
prisma crane
for that anyways
dusky canopy
Just tell them wow is priority
lusty grotto
also after i get the 4 piece do i just use catalyst to upgrade the ilvl of my ti...
sure
dusky canopy
Assert dominance
lusty grotto
and/or tertiaries
chilly brook
laptops are bis
Bro working trade shows I get no real off time
It’s like work from 6am-8pm
prisma crane
also after i get the 4 piece do i just use catalyst to upgrade the ilvl of my ti...
mostly yes, since our off pieces this tier arent great
prisma crane
eh, then just enjoy the time away, makes coming back better anyways
prisma crane
i have a gaming addiction for sure, so sometimes i secretly enjoy when im forced away for a while
chilly brook
Don’t get me wrong
I enjoy doing stuff other than gaming
Work trips aren’t one of those things
prisma crane
also, a plane is literally the only time i ever read lmao
modern gazelle
alright thanks guys, praying for a good piece from LFR then, getting 4 piece in my first week would be pretty sick
chilly brook
Camping with the bois or fishing though? Sheeeeeesh
prisma crane
alright thanks guys, praying for a good piece from LFR then, getting 4 piece in ...
hell yea, its solid dmg
lusty tiger
Bro working trade shows I get no real off time
What kind of trade shows
dusky canopy
If you don’t get it right away don’t worry next week you get it for sure with two catalyst charges
chilly brook
What kind of trade shows
I’m headed to infocomm
modern gazelle
If you don’t get it right away don’t worry next week you get it for sure with tw...
yeah, im going to greece on monday so would be cool to get it before then, not that it matters though
chilly brook
Did NAB like a month or two ago can’t remember time flies
lusty tiger
Sweet- have you met Linus?
chilly brook
No lol
lusty tiger
Dayum
chilly brook
I don’t think he’s too terribly interested in my company, also I don’t think he goes to NAB
Maybe infocomm?
But this is my first infocomm
mighty valley
shield and weapon are reliable first crafts
never gonna accidentally take up a tier slot either
crude notch
wait until harrow finds out we have 4 sparks
modern gazelle
i have shield, belt and neck for my first 3 crafts
assuming shoulders, chest, hands and helm are tier pieces, i figure legs or back would be best next crafts
lusty grotto
what neck
modern gazelle
torc
lusty grotto
whatever needs the ilvl boost honestly
modern gazelle
i got crit/haste bracers from raid and have a forgestorm
so i think im good there
mighty valley
wait until harrow finds out we have 4 sparks
i just got here, smh my head
modern gazelle
what enchant do you guys use on your forgestorm?
i have frozen devotion but wondering if the other one is better
modern gazelle
can you swap enchant? cause i feel like the stat incrase would be nice
olive bay
You can do anything if you try hard and believe in yourself
lusty grotto
sure, but frozen is fine
mighty valley
yeah it just erases the previous one
toxic pewter
If you want to waste gold I guess you can
toxic pewter
remote marsh
Should I be using crests to upgrade hero stuff, or crafting gear to upgrade from 324 gear? All my embellishments are done
modern gazelle
aight well thanks for the help as always, gonna eat then pray i get something good from LFR and trinkets from m+ today
modern gazelle
Should I be using crests to upgrade hero stuff, or crafting gear to upgrade from...
how do you have hero stuff but also have 324 gear?
remote marsh
Luck and skill
prisma crane
speaking of weapon enchants, is it just sim bait or it looks like Wafting Devotion may actually be best for M+ now?
dusky canopy
“Luck and skill”
jagged pier
not sim bait
dusky canopy
prisma crane
ST and AoE it sims over Sophic for me
good to know, will probably swap it around soon then, haste always feels better anyways
modern gazelle
Oh wait one more question. Do I use bolster now that I have 2 piece?
dusky canopy
Yes
jagged pier
yes
modern gazelle
Sounds good. Was using S1 before
jagged pier
prisma crane
Should I be using crests to upgrade hero stuff, or crafting gear to upgrade from...
you can get a full set of 379 just doing the campaign
dusky canopy
Can’t you literally buy 400+ crafted gear or no?
modern gazelle
From when I tried everything over 379 was stupid expensive. Some crafted gear is also BOP I believe
Personally I went into m+ at 380 and gear farmed that way. I’ve been 70 since last Wednesday and am 426 ilvl so wasn’t too bad
prisma crane
you can work order some pretty inexpensive stuff
but its not hard to replace that low of gear at all
prisma crane
Personally I went into m+ at 380 and gear farmed that way. I’ve been 70 since la...
thats the spirit we like to see around here!
proper roost
Can’t you literally buy 400+ crafted gear or no?
yeah with 1 whelpling crest each u can crafted order 408 gear
P braindead tbh
modern gazelle
Take advantage of tanking, host your own key, and accept high ilvl people that are farming crests. Easy gear
Even better if you accept plate players
remote marsh
Oh I'm dumb, I have the ilvls off by 100
modern gazelle
Lol
remote marsh
I was very confused by your question lmao
jagged gust
Personally I went into m+ at 380 and gear farmed that way. I’ve been 70 since la...
dang, I waited until I was 415 to even start touching M+
I didnt want to be one of those players who just brings the group down, especially as a fresh tank
modern gazelle
dang, I waited until I was 415 to even start touching M+
It really isn’t bad. I was tanking +15s pretty comfortably at 418 ilvl
jagged gust
hah, I was so nervous to start my first +2
modern gazelle
People put too much fear in m+
prisma crane
I didnt want to be one of those players who just brings the group down, especial...
i understand the sentiment, but sometimes you gotta put yourself in the fire a bit to learn better
modern gazelle
meanwhile the healer having to spam your ass
Hey healer told me he didn’t even feel like he was healing me much
prisma crane
also, learning routes and what to pull is often all that matters in lower keys
proper roost
410 tanks like "haha i have tanked this 18 without any issues"
modern gazelle
Yeah the more you run of keys that feel like just a bit too much the better
Makes you learn how to manage cds and how much you can pull
prisma crane
also some people are just assholes, the sooner you stop worrying about those pieces of shit the better
modern gazelle
Use the WoW Made Easy discord for good groups of non toxic people
jagged gust
I guess another problem for me is I fucking hate almost all of the mythic dungeons this season, underrot/brackenhide and freehold are just the most boring shit i can imagine
dusky canopy
Yeah I feel that
dusky canopy
I sit looking at the lfg and all I can think is “don’t really feel like doing that one, or that one, or that one”
And then I log off lmao
prisma crane
ngl, thought bracken would be awful, but i love it, its the best dungeon for a real fat overall dmg
dusky canopy
D4 has NOT helped that
modern gazelle
Only one I really don’t like is HOI
prisma crane
afflicted and incorp really help with that too
esp afflicted, sitting here with my dick in my hand as a warr just watching as i lose all my haste
dusky canopy
For me it’s ulda because we just get turbo blasted by everything in there
Yeah kanga probably
prisma crane
eh, imo it's only 8/10 because it's NOT shit, but tbh that should be the median, not the positive
realistically its closer to a 6-7/10 for me
jagged gust
I'm definitely burned out on bfa, i come back from playing 2 xpacs later and what do you know? bfa dungeons are in style
dusky canopy
Haven’t missed a a full week since before 8.3
prisma crane
only held back because they're admittedly a bit boring
proper roost
i don't think thats a common consensus for this season tbh
prisma crane
well fwiw, both are easier than their BFA counterparts, esp underrot
whereas NL is, imo, worse than it's legion counterpart, and not by a small margin
jagged gust
huh well maybe ill give it a shot, I loathed underrot, the mobs and packs felt awful and disjointed and frankly the aesthetics were not doing it for me
real fossil
is there any value to upgrading the Prophetic Twilight Stone outside of a stamina increase?
Storm/Desirous/Prophetic still way ahead of my current rings
prisma crane
i actually liked the aesthetics the most in BFA
modern gazelle
I quit in BFA and I was glad to see BFA dungeons. Some of the best designs since early wow
prisma crane
i fucking HATED tol dagor though
dusky canopy
Dare I say it but I kinda preferred having the same dungeons I think re learning at season 2 killed it for me
Maybe not
prisma crane
mostly because i felt like i was playing against my camera more than anything else
modern gazelle
mostly because i felt like i was playing against my camera more than anything el...
Uldaman
prisma crane
i dont mind the mixup, but i do think there should be 10 dungeons, not 8
yea Ulda's not great for this either, and that place is much worse w/o a priest
modern gazelle
I just like that it’s not only the current expansion
Much more interesting playing old ones
Than stuck on the same few all expac
jagged gust
i fucking HATED tol dagor though
oh god one wrong move and im lost for 5 minutes
prisma crane
agreed, though VP is a prime example of why pulling old dungeons isnt always great either
modern gazelle
agreed, though VP is a prime example of why pulling old dungeons isnt always gre...
What’s wrong with VP?
prisma crane
what isnt wrong with it lol
dusky canopy
But it’s not engaging at all
prisma crane
no route, almost cannot merge packs together
quiet minnow
just brainless
modern gazelle
I guess that’s true
prisma crane
and dmg profiles are either nothing or insane
dusky canopy
Right I run VP for weekly vault because it requires the least amount of thought imo
quiet minnow
ur is annoying to me
prisma crane
though the 2nd boss will always be annoying
quiet minnow
always butt pulls from ppl and if ppl dont do mechs its irritating as hell
modern gazelle
Freehold I can do in my sleep. I’ve run that dungeon so many times and I never get sick of it
quiet minnow
in bad pugs ur can be one of the most frustrating imo
prisma crane
just dont do skips
you're trolling yourself if you do that shit in pugs
pull the ticks at the start on purpose
and the ticks after first boss on purpose
and that's 90% of the butt pulls in that place
and rally before they die
to help the group
proper roost
10 dungeons would be nightmare lol, people already dont know a few dungeons still atm
p much no one in pugs does hoi bosses or uldaman bosses right
strange lintel
got called an asshole for not doing the skip in hoi. even though we had a priest
felt great
daring marlin
HOI BOSSES
proper roost
hoi tyr without proper comms on first boss guarantees
people will die on 21+
because dps just run out into narnia
and tank randomly decides to tank boss in center
or some dumb bullshit like that
prisma crane
10 dungeons helps imo mix stuff up more, fuck i'd be for 20 dungeons, but without a way to target keys i can see it being a problem
prisma crane
HOI BOSSES <:critcake:984549832511344640>
yea but reflect on the last guys is a blast
jagged gust
If it could be something like pick 1 of 3 for the key I could see it working
I dont see blizz wanting to balance 20 dungeons worth of loot each season though lol
oblique garnet
Implying they balance 8 dungeon worth of loot
prisma crane
lol
jagged gust
fair
prisma crane
i guess when i say 20 dungeons i dont think of the loot always
i also think it could be fun if they just said fuck it and added some massive M+ and tied some achievements to them
jagged gust
mythic ubrs
oblique garnet
Masochists
prisma crane
a 3 hour M+ lmfao
jagged gust
Didnt they do something like that before?
prisma crane
no
mighty valley
the closest is megadungeons pre-m+ split
jagged gust
Like an event? Or am i just thinking of the BRD revamp they did
oblique garnet
There were mega dungeons but they were always split on m+
prisma crane
it would have to be something that's almost exclusively like a one and done challenge, but i think it could be cool to like say... +20 a BRD w/ all like 20+ bosses and have it give some fucking awesome CM style mog and mount and shit
mighty valley
UBRS got a rework but that was before m+ existed
jagged gust
Honestly ive done BRD like twice since TBC so it's not exactly fresh in my mind lol
prisma crane
maybe find a way to give checkpoints for your timer, like a group lockout to make it feasible for more players
mighty valley
Doing the megadungeons blind on day 1 gives me a bit of that feeling
oblique garnet
I have a bold suggestion
prisma crane
i think it would be AWFUL if it was expected to be something people would regularly do
but fun extra shit like that could be cool
oblique garnet
What if we made mythic dungeons, with no affixes gave the players some sort of leaderboard and meaningful rewards for being as fast as possible
I know its bold i dont think people would like it
prisma crane
i mean with where affixes are today i literally have no clue why they havent done this already
somehow DF has managed to make affixes feel antiquated
proper roost
🤨
urban portal
Last tuesdays no affix run was pretty boring
prisma crane
i dont see how stuff like sanguine and volcanic is somehow less boring
mighty valley
everyone complains about affixes of course but i still think m+ playrates would fall off if every week was exactly the same
oblique garnet
Such a blast dealing with some bs new affix that oh if you dont do it you get fucked !!! So good game design
Oh you better have dispel or its gonna be bad :)))
prisma crane
^ afflicted and incorp man....
prisma crane
nothing like dying at 2% on a boss i can easily solo because 2 incorp spawn and i do 0% dmg and healing
proper roost
i think the vast majority of people who think affixless week would be fun literally do not do keys or know anything about dungeons
and dont know half the mechanics of the mobs in keys tbh
warm plinth
I would get bored if dungeons had no affixes
daring marlin
i think the vast majority of people who think affixless week would be fun litera...
That shit would be boring after the first session
IMO
prisma crane
if all ppl do is cap at a 20 and be done, i can see that
but why add just annoying shit
oblique garnet
Thats because you are just thinking of doing the key
Not doing the key while trying to be fastest
prisma crane
CM+
oblique garnet
Pmuch
warm plinth
I don't care about being the fastest. I care about timing it. If you want a time attack version then make a separate thing for that.
proper roost
idk how to tell you this but in high keys youre literally forced to do risky big pulls to match the timer, you are likely just playing at a level where you dont have to think enough about it to bother
oblique garnet
- oh rly
proper roost
just timing the key in decently high key levels requires proper pulling
hello i am mostly addressing the other guy
prisma crane
yea but adding something one person has to dispel every 40 sec isnt exactly "thrilling" mix up either
proper roost
who doesnt really seem to know that tbh
oblique garnet
yea but adding something one person has to dispel every 40 sec isnt exactly "th...
Or yeah you bring shaman who does all of them so its on one person to do it while rest go ook ook
prisma crane
im not naive to how high keys work
hell, S2 is a direct response to the fact that just inherent dungeon mechanics ALONE are more than keys + affixes were back in Legion when they started
oblique garnet
Just gonna gear w/e classes now and then before season end spend couple of weeks getting title
Isnt exactly thrilling gameplay either
prisma crane
variation, imo, can come from depth of content instead of artificial layers, its "just" harder to do it that way
oblique garnet
Well yes but also no
By that time you will be fully mythic geared
Everyone is practically full bis
All that is left is to do the keys
prisma crane
im referring to stuff like more dungeons
or dungeon rotations even, instead of just annoying affixes
mighty valley
i would enjoy weekly dungeon rotation, would be hell for pugs though
oblique garnet
So if you add more to the rotation it would be even worse
prisma crane
you would have to get loot sorted though to avoid the inevitable fomo from dungeon rotations
prisma crane
i would enjoy weekly dungeon rotation, would be hell for pugs though
for sure, but also a bit less hell if it's paired with no affixes
mighty valley
the complexity increase and learning demands of switching up dungeons is orders of magnitude higher than affixes
prisma crane
yes
but my issue has never been with complexity, it's been with removing annoyances
annoying =/= difficulty, which is how i view a lot of affixes
mighty valley
how is "this dungeon has things you need to know to CC" that much less annoying than "this week's affix has a thing you need to CC"
prisma crane
your point doesnt go on deaf ears though, im sure a large rotation could be a nightmare for lower end players, especially newer tanks
oblique garnet
Honestly new raging is infinitely worse than old raging
prisma crane
but evoker solves it
oblique garnet
*Should solve it
prisma crane
how is "this dungeon has things you need to know to CC" that much less annoying ...
but its set up around pulls instead of awful overlaps
you dont get the situation like we had in S1 w/ quaking and a stack
if you have to spread you spread and stack you stack
no RNG
and dungeons like HoV last season did this well at least, but complexity can be added by doing larger pulls
the pulls could be done slowly by lower groups, with little to manage
and multipulls with more to manage on better groups
and issue that's almost mandatory anyways when pushing higher keys
provided one shots dont scale you out before the timer does
mighty valley
it's all a little academic because i doubt they're equipped to do the maintenance on a massive dungeon pool with weekly rotations
prisma crane
i agree, that's why above i put "just" in quotes
because it is harder to do it that way instead of affixes over a more manageable dungeon pool
hazy bronze
New raging doesn't suck until it does and then it sucks hard
mighty valley
the somewhat-achievable-dream to me is a reasonable list of affixes on par with the best seasonal affixes
and those rotate week to week
prisma crane
transformational ones would be great, ones that feel like you're buffed as well, im on board at least
dry spear
What are you guys crafting this week? Was thinking about a ring.
prisma crane
ring or weapon or cloak for me
but, i have 421 eranog w/ socket and annulet so rings are minor at best
toxic pewter
I made weapon but next one I’m doing battle rez bracers
prisma crane
yea i have shield > belt > BR bracers so far
lusty grotto
i did shield, belt, boots, and br bracers
prisma crane
fat chunk of haste feels good
prisma crane
also would be great if they'd let the BR bracers either be instant cast or have range, ideally both, but pick one minimum
fucking unusable half the time
there's just a lot of areas of denial and/or knockbacks
its annoying AF
all other BRs are ranged
the bracers are no longer jumper cables, so the theme of keeping close makes less sense
for sure, just annoying, id even spend 60 rage on it if it let me do it from range or instant
dry spear
I got the shield, neck and belt atm. Ring would be more for m+ because i got the eranog 221 and the onxy. We are proggin rashok atm so i keep those rings. Cloak can save me but i have to dump belt or shield embellishment. Maybe bracers then.
prisma crane
yea even in M+ the ring is barely better
a bit more surv though i suppose
and i'll admit, it feels better to have bigger ilvl number too
im not immune to that
sick sentinel
so, what do i need to put points into in the engineer knowledge (i assume?) to get this to always rank 3
prisma crane
chances are without a finishing reagent you cant
also, r3 mats will bring that 350 number down
sick sentinel
i have these in mechanical mind which is the tree its in
prisma crane
there's a lot of crafts that cant guarantee R3
not without the finishing reagent for sure
i have like 4k mettle so at least the finishing reagent isnt bad to use, was rare to use early on though
sick sentinel
sick sentinel
if i use rank 3 it puts me tehre, so still rank 2's
jagged gust
i have like 4k mettle so at least the finishing reagent isnt bad to use, was rar...
jesus tell me your secrets lol
its probably gonna be another 2 weeks before i can craft a better pickaxe at the rate im going
summer flax
which WA pack do you guys use? Wanna find something not too cluttery
modern gazelle
which WA pack do you guys use? Wanna find something not too cluttery
quazii everything, i really like his ui and WA
sick sentinel
i spent all mine on self craftings of blue profession equipment
modern gazelle
though i took off his WA for abilities and only use it for the bars/buffs, i put my action bars where the WA for abilities go that way i can still see keybinds
sick sentinel
only takes 300 per item and i get a knowledge
modern gazelle
proper roost
it hasn't been fort bolster in like two weeks
modern gazelle
proper roost
it's storming bursting this week lol
modern gazelle
it's storming bursting this week lol
Oh misread
how tough is that? i havent done any M+ aside from last week since bfa forget which are bad combos
modern gazelle
how is bursting?
vocal nimbus
bursts
proper roost
it burst
modern gazelle
yes...how bad is it?
cyan sorrel
Raidbots says to take Mark of Dargrul over the Beacon that true ?
lusty grotto
nooooo
cyan sorrel
< thanks boys !
cyan sorrel
Herioc
lusty grotto
ok yeah
cyan sorrel
Fury
cyan sorrel
I was told if you have a 447 shield go Fury, elimates shields adds some 2h, but adds Trinkets for dps, Single minded fury allows for Forgestorm to drop as well
modern gazelle
interesting
wonder if i should swap my spec now that i have shield and forgestorm already
cyan sorrel
I hate that the trinkets get split for Tanks ><
modern gazelle
i mainly need trinket, ring, back and legs
i have annulet
with bis primordials
i need a 2nd ring though mainly for m+ i dont raid as much as i do m+
the bis rings are raid rings though arent they?
and pin says its good till you have 440+ rings
which i def dont have yet
dusky canopy
On a scale of 1-fucked,
What’s my vault looking like?
modern gazelle
zaqali chaos grapnel compared to the other offensive trinkets? anyone know how good/bad it is
modern gazelle
can you sim without having the gear in your inv?
dusky canopy
yes
dusky canopy
mighty valley
i would just presume that a trinket like grapnel is in the vault if someone's asking questions about it
it's not like you're deciding to farm it or something
proper roost
On a scale of 1-fucked,
What’s my vault looking like?
There's a guaranteed socket, so really good
lusty grotto
yeah i would assume so as well harrow
proper roost
About a 7/10 if I had to guess
dusky canopy
modern gazelle
i would just presume that a trinket like grapnel is in the vault if someone's as...
nah i have grapnel
i just didnt realize it was even listed as one of our bis in the pins
sick sentinel
im not sure if i should solo pull that pack with green boi before boss 2
modern gazelle
hulk i think
sick sentinel
the giant green cleaving rock
modern gazelle
hulk is big tank buster, you can just dodge the breakers or whatever they are called
proper roost
the hulk is more dangerous for you, the breaker is more dangerous for the group
if you're afraid just dont double that pack this week, fort NL is an extremely lenient timer
modern gazelle
you can side step breaker avalanche and if group isnt bad they can side step the falling rocks
sick sentinel
the green rock is fairly lienient, he follows you whereever you are whole cast of the cleave thing
tired girder
what is the best range of keys to farm gear? like a trinket
sick sentinel
depends if you want champion, hero, or myth gear
restive scroll
Is diurna's still bis even against 440+ rings?
tired girder
i just did a raid on a 16 with the name: no leavers, helping a friend. and never more... just to get money at the end
for hero and for champion. which range of keys?
sick sentinel
im just trying to get C / H peices to 437
modern gazelle
So is it worth swapping spec to fury or arms?
If you want to farm trinkets/rings mostly
lime urchin
Yes if you have a good shield
modern gazelle
Fury or arms better? I have primal molten defender already
lime urchin
Because defensive trinkets are for noobz!
mighty valley
just check which trinkets you want from the loot table and spec accordingly
lusty grotto
not if you already have anvil and mark
those are the only ones that you need dps spec for
all other trinkets are all loot specs
mighty valley
you can switch between fury and arms depending on if you want any 1h weapons or if you just want to cut them from the table
modern gazelle
I have the grapnel and defensive trinket. Mine aren’t good
lusty grotto
grapnel isnt bad
its a great trinket
but you just said that you DIDNT have it
bro
can you just stick with your story
thats twice already you say something completely different
modern gazelle
? When did I say I don’t have it?
lusty grotto
first with 2p
mighty valley
it was a confusing moment when you asked if you can sim when you don't have an item in your bags
lusty grotto
modern gazelle
I also said I have 2p I got it today?
mighty valley
made us think you didn't have it
modern gazelle
I don’t have beacon and the others
Which is why I asked if you can sum without the gear
proper roost
sim it
modern gazelle
Yes, compared to the others
mighty valley
i get what happened but you can see how we were confused lol
modern gazelle
Wasn’t sure how to sim without the others in my inv
modern gazelle
Yeah I simmed and beacon was 1.3% increase at same ilvl
modern gazelle
I know lol I’m just seeing what gear is worth getting. I only asked for comparison cause I didn’t know you could sim without the gear in your inv.
As for “not great” not like it’s bad just not as good as some.
Is arms or fury better for trinket farming? I want to replace my ire with an offensive trinket so prob gonna farm Dargrul
proper roost
yes you have literally just defined "not great"
modern gazelle
I like the ire but I’ve been using it less and less
proper roost
not bad and not good! aka not great
modern gazelle
yes you have literally just defined "not great"
He made it seem like I said it was shit lol was just clarifying
sick sentinel
i figure nobody will be running tank loot, so its my only real shot at getting talisman
then after that, who caresonly other prot only dungeon trinket left is ulda stamina trinket
which is already super bad
lusty grotto
lmao i just wiped on magmorax
i didnt think it was possible
but hmm
heroic
now it makes sense
theres 1 more hunter under that guy
its fine i can skip this shit boss anyway
4/9 actually
just bad at picking people
4/9 mythic
9/9 heroic
i wanted to parse 😦
proper roost
what the fuck
lusty grotto
will probably be more of a hassle to look for a magmorax group now, so i can just go straight for sark and echo
yeah we did that
the group just collapsed cause im sure the leader was like hold up what the fuck were wiping on this loot pinata
mighty valley
zaqali assault padding truly relies on everyone being worse
get those target numbers up
proper roost
couldnt pay me enough to pug n/h tbh
modern gazelle
is there a better way to do this as prot they kind of hurt when i did it even on normal earlier
restive scroll
Bossmod say taunt after one stack for some crazy reason.
And some people follow that.
Which is stupid
mighty valley
it's not smart on that boss - if you do anything other than "eat hits until same one happens" its taunt announcement is wrong
restive scroll
it's not smart on that boss - if you do anything other than "eat hits until same...
Yes it is
cinder nova
This shit confuses me so much.
sick sentinel
uneven mason
Its an alt they're holding the 8/9 lockout on
prisma crane
jesus tell me your secrets lol
i just do the profession quests every week and collect all the items. Plus you get 50 mettle per shard of knowledge and you get up to 150 mettle weekly once exalted with the consortium, which i got REAL early
lusty grotto
lmao
also mining being capped is so weird
yeah i dont have that on
its just weird that they are letting us hoard points for, i assume, no reason
im sure as soon as they put new talents theyll be like OH YOU CANT USE OLD TALENT POINTS
craggy pilot
how does Extending raid work?
if i extend the last lockout at Sarkareth HC, will i then be able to pug the other bosses and get loot or no?
lusty grotto
why would you want to extend HC though, there's skips
hell you need a skip? i can skip it for you
craggy pilot
why would you want to extend HC though, there's skips
i dont think we have the Heroic Skip yet
lusty grotto
yeye
unkempt rover
hollow flower
Hey i have a question for heroic neltharion
How do you handle the Tank debuff in P3 the few Videos i saw did it Just by BR or BoP. Is there no other way?
deep spruce
nova rover
Question, I realize "sim sim sim sim" is the answer but trinket wise I have a chose between the sporepod and chromatic essence
Thats my vault, shield is an up but Im working on the crafted one
torn gulch
Lol a choice
hollow flower
Yeah
If you do it normally you still have 10s debuff over and 1M autoattack is a Bit much to handle
warm plinth
Question, I realize "sim sim sim sim" is the answer but trinket wise I have a ch...
Sporepods was the second edition of 
(read the name of the emoji)
nova rover
hah so trash
warm plinth
Yep
jaunty granite
take the sporepod and get a tattoo of the chromatic essence
nova rover
So much jokes haha on me, if only I could sit and do all the games all the time
nova rover
and gets better with more peeps with it
Thank you, appreciate the actual answer, apologize I cant be insta on everything cuz of life
kind urchin
I've noticed a lot of high key runners are using fueled by violence instead of brutal vitality. I tried it in a couple keys and it seems to do fine. Does it surpass brutal vitality in really high keys because it seems about even in the high teens and 20 range?
warm plinth
I've noticed a lot of high key runners are using fueled by violence instead of b...
No, BrV is still the recommended talent.
sick sentinel
someday i will have talisman
hollow flower
How can i See it was
I usually Pay really high Attention to that
hollow flower
But even then wouldnt IT Just Block around 40-50%
Which would have left me barely alive
warm plinth
No, you can't block from behind.
Block amount doesn't change. It's a percentage. You either block or you don't.
urban bane
What if you have really thick cakes though
warm plinth
You can crit block but that just means you'd have blocked twice as much
There would still be a B: ###
hollow flower
No but If i would have blocked
warm plinth
Notice shieldb lock up for both hits; only one has a B number
hollow flower
Its around 40% less damage
nova rover
take the sporepod and get a tattoo of the chromatic essence
Someone who uses spore, which is why I asked, maybe yer higher level than they
warm plinth
~45% yes.
hollow flower
Still a 600k auto
warm plinth
No?
Oh I see what you mean. I am pretty sure you guys did something wrong
I've never taken an auto that big from that boss
hollow flower
I even saw kill Videos where they either get killed after the Second taunt Swap or bubble the debuff away
warm plinth
Besides, the debuff in that phase doesn't increase damage from melees
It just increases damage from the tankbuster
hollow flower
No P3 increases physical damage by 200%
hollow flower
Yes you have calamitous in p3 again
warm plinth
Oh I misunderstood. I thought you were saying sunder increases physical damage
hollow flower
OK it kinda felt unsurvivalble Sometimes but often its also the adds i See right now.
I am still Not that great with evaluating logs
Thanks a Lot @astral atlas @warm plinth
warm plinth
But yeah I had my co-tank get 1-shot because they got backhit by a melee
so it does happen
hollow flower
Yeah we are allowed to make mistakes too
lusty grotto
yeah idk i never have problems with echo
ocean yoke
Nah just blame a hunter
lusty grotto
so i joined a skip group
lusty grotto
and this guy "kicked me by mistake" while moving frames
warm plinth
Sounds legit
lusty grotto
and now i cant join back lmao
cause you cant see the group if youve been kicked
and im alliance so no horde invites
what a waste of time
warm plinth
How exactly do you kick someone by mistake while moving frames. You don't even use the same fuckin mouse button
lusty grotto
fucking did the 1st boss again, and trash and wiped due to a fucky transition wall
idk man like thats what he said
and im like well can you invite
and then i remembered im alliance
lusty grotto
i have no idea
hes not replying back so i saidl ok well gl
fucking hate leaving bosses up on tuesday
and i have to go in about 45 mins
warm plinth
sadge
lusty grotto
gonna be one of those weeks where i dont reclear because im getting post tuesday groups
warm plinth
I might try to pug heroic this week if we don't do it. Never pugged a raid before
And I've never done heroic Sark but seems pretty straight forward
go down with tank debuff, drag adds through puddles
lusty grotto
yeah its cake
except when it isnt cause everyone else is an idiot
i went giga petty mode
the guy invited a guildy tank
which i just checked on a log just now
craggy pilot
jesus christ 2nd boss Neltharus is hard if people cant stand the fuck still with chains
hazy bronze
Fax
craggy pilot
and i love you have to break the chain, and the boss just fucking stands still xD
and then he leaps over the chains hahahah
warm plinth
Yeah you gotta be super nitpicky on the first chain because of that annoying fucking leap
so tilting when he leaps over it
craggy pilot
i feel like first chain break should be a DPS?
and then 2 others should just stand the fuck still and let me drag
warm plinth
I usually just pull him to the side a bit first to trigger the leap
Then start going through
warm plinth
Yeah, the chain break is the nasty dot
Besides you only have to side step like...2 or 3 steps to make him leap
So it's like an extra half second or something
warm plinth
craggy pilot
and stand there, expecting me to go between them without oneshotting them xD
warm plinth
I have a good strat for it but getting pugs to do it is just...sigh
craggy pilot
i heard people say "all go to stairs, and then run opposite"
i guess that could be an easily dummy way of doing it?
warm plinth
I just do them on the side of the room
And have them go straight across
Gives you a nice straight wide path to get him through them all
Also that is a very beautiful picture right?
I worked hard on it for 7 seconds
lusty grotto
amazing
uneven mason
the periodic dmg is not hard for the heal?
The triggering part is when people don't fucking dodge the volcano turds he's flinging around and then are like "BUT THE DAMAGE IS TOO HIGH DERRR, HOW CAN I STAND IN STUPID WHEN YOU'RE DOING MECHANICS!"
lusty grotto
truly a work of art
warm plinth
amazing
You know what else is amazing? This cute picture of a sloth I found online yesterday
lusty grotto
i knew it
warm plinth
lusty grotto
sloths are so cute
uneven mason
lusty grotto
fuck man
im so angry
i cant shake it off, i wanted to be done today
not even cute sloth x2 is helping
craggy pilot
how am i 10 minutes signing for different keys and not getting any invites xD
and its like 2hrs before reset
modern gazelle
any of you know of an addon or default ui option that lets you move where healing text pops up? rather move it out of the dead center of my screen
craggy pilot
people just need to get these keys out
warm plinth
any of you know of an addon or default ui option that lets you move where healin...
Any combat text addon will let you do that. Just search combat text on curse and it should have a bunch of options
You can put the text wherever you want and create all kinds of filters on what shows and what doesn't
modern gazelle
Any combat text addon will let you do that. Just search combat text on curse an...
alright in that case elvui should have the option so ill mess around, wasn't sure what it would be considered under or if it was even editable
warm plinth
I don't think ElvUI does combat text does it? I just use Blizzard's damage text so idk. I don't find healing text to be helpful so I have it turned off.
modern gazelle
I don't think ElvUI does combat text does it? I just use Blizzard's damage text...
i assume it would cause it does like everything but possibly not, is there a default option to turn it off cause i dont feel like i really need it either
warm plinth
It's in the blizzard combat settings iirc. I'm not 100% on where exactly because they've changed the settings menu fairly recently
If you don't find it before I get off work in like 8 hours, I'll find it for you
modern gazelle
If you don't find it before I get off work in like 8 hours, I'll find it for you...
yeah the new settings menu throws me off every time i try to find something now
modern gazelle
found the option for ALL scrolling combat text, which i dont mind turning off, but wondering if there is any reason to keep on damage taken and stuff or not?
lusty grotto
the only thing most players have on is damage
modern gazelle
damage dealt or taken? i still have on damage dealt
lusty grotto
the damage you do
warm plinth
There was a separate checkbox when I messed with it that was for healing
lusty grotto
everything else is off in most elvuis
violet prairie
better to double shadowflame or shadowflame + frostfire?
modern gazelle
everything else is off in most elvuis
perfect thanks, just want to be sure im not being a garbo tank if i disable damage/healing received
modern gazelle
it just gets super in the way of my abilities and stuff so its distracting trying to see CDs sometimes
lusty grotto
seeing damage received means nothing as a warrior
we don't really have a lot of reactive abilities
sick sentinel
i did self craft on the normal belt with flame enchant
lusty grotto
i did frostfire
warm plinth
I don't even pay attention to the damage text tbh
I had it off for literal years before I even realized
mighty valley
another buff? sure
lusty grotto
oh ok
sick sentinel
what, why
mighty valley
oh wait all the tanks are getting a lil damage buff
we're just getting slightly more than veng/pala
lusty grotto
ring nerfed from what i see on ptr
mighty valley
and less than bdk
sick sentinel
oohh universal buff,
mighty valley
yeah this is probably partially a response to annulet being nuked from orbit
sick sentinel
annulet had its time to shine
lusty grotto
thats to compasate for the ring nerf
sick sentinel
proper roost
yeah it's a compensation buff for the ring
sick sentinel
im gunna have close to 6k haste after this
sick sentinel
oh no ..... anyway.....
thing that was meant to get used and replaced got used and replaced, surprise
nocturne spindle
now nerf eggnog ring
mighty valley
bdk's getting 8%, monk 7%, bear/warr 6%, veng/pala 4%
sick sentinel
blood drinker is really cool
waxen vale
Looking at bloodmallets secondary distributions andd...
Are they buffed or unbuffed
Like mainly pre into the fray or post 10% haste buff
For ex it says 40 crit 40 haste 10 mast 10 vers
Is our highest simming 2ndary
So to fulfill that would we go for 30% haste before into the fray?
I'm at 41 crit 28 haste unbuffed 19 mastery 9 vers
Looki g to do biG DAam
So i get to 38 with into the fray
mighty valley
it looks like it has the ratings attached
mighty valley
but yeah this is highly theoretical
warm plinth
If you want to do more damage, that's literally the best and only recommended way to figure out what gear to wear.
mighty valley
Congration
waxen vale
what do you think about THAT
I only know not to use it because of this guys name...but hey he could be wrong thats just like...one guys opinion...man
mighty valley
i mean there's a point at which our rage income will be high enough that it's worth for pure parsing
it's been a while since i tried it, it definitely did cause rage droughts back then
waxen vale
Parsing what heals lol
sick sentinel
11 more wyrm crests total
waxen vale
Ip doesn't count though
sick sentinel
well, then 2 hand weapons, but i may never get that far
mighty valley
i mean, barb training gives you more damage per gcd if you always always always have enough rage to fuel it
warm plinth
I only know not to use it because of this guys name...but hey he could be wrong ...
The Big Lebowski 👀
waxen vale
Haha yup
warm plinth
I'm an ordained minister of the church of Dudeism
waxen vale
I feel there is def some opportunity for playing with our talents still
More than most specs
sick sentinel
new starwars game revealed
toxic pewter
that rug really tied the room together
warm plinth
I used to get "Shut the fuck up Donny!" a lot as a kid
because my name is Don
Or maybe my parents really wanted me to shut up
toxic pewter
im shomer shabas myself
craggy pilot
jesus christ, is last boss BH just not doable with some classes?
like if you dont have 3 classes with instant dmg, you cant kill the totems in time
warm plinth
Why would you get more though
You're into the 2nd DR, that's when you start not getting more
craggy pilot
also how do i avoid Crippling Bite on 3rd boss BH? Do i just not tank the adds or what?
toxic pewter
prot warr getting 6% dam buff in 10.1.5
bdk getting 8%, prot pal 4%, brm 7%, guardian 6%, vdh 4%
also nerfing all damage on annulet by 40%
silk kiln
Why does guardian need a dmg buff lol
toxic pewter
dunno but they gonna be owning hard with their changes and stuff too
loud wave
Another 6% DMG buff in 10.1.5
warm plinth
Compensation for the ring
clear surge
Ok
mighty valley
also how do i avoid Crippling Bite on 3rd boss BH? Do i just not tank the adds o...
either dps should be leading them to traps or you should taunt them so they run over traps
craggy pilot
either dps should be leading them to traps or you should taunt them so they run ...
Do they dash on DPS insta?
Or do they try to bite before?
Just failed a 21 bh because our MM couldn't do DMG to the totem 🤔🤔
"my aimed shot has cast time"
mighty valley
yeah it doesn't have like... a 10 second cast time, jesus
i don't really know the hyena behavior tbh, i just see them appearing and they usually get trapped and die real fast lol
chilly brook
Compensation for the ring
I mean Yesnt
Cuz isn’t ring outclassed at higher ilvl anyways?
warm plinth
Do they dash on DPS insta?
They fixate but they also have a leap but it has a swirlie to show where they're going to land
chilly brook
Not on single target, no
F
loud cave
I tried going back to Brew after playing Warrior for weeks and it's sure made me appreciate how sturdy warrior is. Just keep IP and shield block up and life is good. For Brew, seemed like a struggle to stay alive against raid dummy unless I carefully managed the buttons I pressed.
dusky canopy
Gave Heroic experiments some smoke
kind urchin
Just failed a 21 bh because our MM couldn't do DMG to the totem 🤔🤔
Ran with a mm hunter that's rank 1 on his server and they can definitely do totem damage. The one you ran with just isn't good.
warm plinth
Aimed Shot has a cast time is a hilarious excuse
daring marlin
another 8% damage buff for bdk
that's funny considering they'll still do zero damage
sick sentinel
is 2 handed weapons the same as rings for crests turns out prot weapon does it
daring marlin
warm plinth
@crude notch do I buy?https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/gaming/49-odyssey-oled-g95sc-dqhd-neo-quantum-processor-pro-0-03ms-240hz-curved-smart-gaming-monitor-ls49cg954snxza/
dusky canopy
warm plinth
👀
crude notch
No 49" monitors are dumb.
warm plinth
Just don't look at that part obviously. rookie mistake
that was in response to yogi not you jordan
sick sentinel
No 49" monitors are dumb.
!not for racing and flying and strategy or other detail based nerd games
dusky canopy
Yo this hammer of the ancients build for barb
is siiicckkk
big ole mallet
go brrrr
cinder storm
Spiderverse was surprisingly better, by Miles (get it?) than the previous one
dusky canopy
cinder storm
crude notch
The previous one was banger already. So
lusty grotto
@warm plinth
what the
this is what i see the second i get out of the weeb raid
are people really that confused lol
hollow hill
If i'm understanding the pins correctly, we can replace annulet for raid only if we have 2 rings at 440+? But never for Mythic+?
warm plinth
Yeah you have that backwards