I barely got 3 vault slots
#protection
daring marlin
pain
proper roost
Grats
Also literally only one key doer last week, based af
I got pulled into a bunch against my will this week
cinder storm
I got a ring on my war on the H quest, got ring on my vault too 
could've been a socket but ring already had a socket
daring marlin
Grats
Also literally only one key doer last week, based af
I just didn't wanna bother much last week idk
I played some tuesday and did a single key last night on my pally lol
did some runs of uldaman on warrior like thursday maybe trying for neck and said meh
proper roost
i mean i think i might just stop doing keys on my warrior
proper roost
it's kind of hard to find the motivation to play in summer too much other shit to do
dusky canopy
BRO I just checked and I robbed myself of super free damage on my kaz log
proper roost
and like everything good is from raid + at this point I pretty much only want sockets anyway
dusky canopy
1 cast of bacon 3.2min fight
proper roost
so not really a big deal
dusky canopy
Ffffff
proper roost
Also
the mythic loot 447 upgrade thing in 10.1.5
daring marlin
That's big
crude notch
you spoke it into existence on one of my toons.
proper roost
as long as it's retroactive, that retroactively gives me 447 wrists/belt etc so doing 20s for vault is ACTUALLY worthless
maybe just for a 447 mark of dargrul but egh
cinder storm
probably going to be retro
dusky canopy
Wait wait we can take loot to 447 now
proper roost
on PTR it's retroactive yeah, but never know
dusky canopy
I missed that info
daring marlin
Wait wait we can take loot to 447 now
in .5 yes
proper roost
in 10.1.5, but it has to be a 441 or higher vault drop or mythic raid drop
crude notch
in 10.1.5. Anything 441 444 447.
proper roost
you won't be able to upgrade your hero track pieces to 447 still, it's a separate track entirely
dusky canopy
Oh so basically we fill vault with what 17s now if we’re lazy?
daring marlin
finish my MOGS
crude notch
16s will do but yes
crude notch
yo what do i do with my warrior vault #protection message
daring marlin
yo what do i do with my warrior vault https://discord.com/channels/1488722107427...
that weapon can be pumped to 447 in .5
dusky canopy
Would you benefit from helm?
toxic pewter
how good is ominous chromatic essence
crude notch
already hav e
daring marlin
good
daring marlin
how good is ominous chromatic essence
It's huge
crude notch
wait
daring marlin
especially with multiple
dusky canopy
Do you have 4pc?
daring marlin
DO IT JORDAN
daring marlin
arms owns
dusky canopy
📈
crude notch
because i'm sitting on my aotc token
crude notch
I have 4 sparks on my warr. >_<
daring marlin
This week is another spark
crude notch
good day
daring marlin
correct?
dusky canopy
Yes
daring marlin
big
crude notch
ye
daring marlin
I'm making belt on pally then
crude notch
what piece do we dislike on tier?
daring marlin
legs
dusky canopy
All my gear is 441 so idk what to do
daring marlin
legs are stinky
dusky canopy
Apparently with buffs nome said 447 weapon is better than pog weapon at 4 targets
So basically in keys
dusky canopy
Yeah that’s a good point maybe I’ll craft a weapon lol
I’ll probably sit on it for a bit and think about it
toxic pewter
ya
prisma crane
Apparently with buffs nome said 447 weapon is better than pog weapon at 4 target...
also, fwiw, even if Forge sims better, it's got quite large RNG swings
sand kettle
would you guys take 447 gloves over 441 gloves w avoidance?
daring marlin
would you guys take 447 gloves over 441 gloves w avoidance?
yup
sand kettle
strength too good
mellow bridge
sand kettle
on the other hand, more stats is more gooder
modern brook
on the other hand, more stats is more gooder
thats honestly the same hand
left basalt
fury spec for Mark, 16 runs for nothing...
hexed pumice
This or a 441 Forgestorm?
crude notch
Yo that was my nickname in high school
hexed pumice
i think forgstorm is simming higher
proper roost
you spoke it into existence on one of my toons.
arms loot spec wtf, where's your 447 forgestorm hopium
i'm gonna open my warrior's vault as fury today to say fuck the haters
crude notch
Now the real question do I live out my fury warrior dreams and craft two weppys or do I become pwar and craft shield, legs, boots, bracers for like instant 430 ilvl
daring marlin
The latter
crude notch
arms loot spec wtf, where's your 447 forgestorm hopium
i actually looted as fury idjit
proper roost
Ok based
crude notch
sitting on all my stuffs was so rough, but definitely worth in the end.
urban portal
no idea what to pick from all this crap
essence?weapon tbh
toxic pewter
Yeah I picked weapon
urban portal
is this week creation catalyst
crude notch
yes
uneven mason
Time for disappointment
dusky canopy
Yo that was my nickname in high school
LMAO
waxen frigate
is this week creation catalyst
Finally can catalyze the speed gloves I’ve been sitting on since week 1 pog
crude notch
oh i can catalyze my leech pants on my druid pog
warm plinth
4 str 4 sta leather belt?
lusty grotto
not for keys
proper roost
I got a belt on both my characters from the weekly quest last week, was kinda madge
lusty grotto
but i guess it could have been 3 belts and 2 2handers
waxen frigate
lusty grotto
lets see what my dumbass paladin gets
ok good, nothing special this time after that dumb beacon
that should have gone to my warrior
urban bane
4 str 4 sta leather belt?
level 18?!
sick sentinel
tw
warm plinth
What do you mean 2 bossing
rancid ember
lol
warm plinth
You don't have to kill those at all though
You just kill Mari then go to Liu and then Sha
crude notch
are you ready for prime leveling week ghash?
crude notch
month*
warm plinth
The end of this current week will be the best part of it (at least in terms of where my vacation falls) because it overlaps with timewalking
proper roost
i mean heck needing a month
mellow lantern
hello fellow prot warriors. I can't determine what I take here for my vault, looking for adivce. Forgestorm is replacing 437 crafted, Circle of Ascended Frost is replacing a shitty 424 ring. Do i just take the forgestorm?
olive bay
Are either of those Hero track items? Or are they Champ track?
hardy snow
hello fellow prot warriors. I can't determine what I take here for my vault, loo...
according to my mathematics knowledge 1337 is bigger than 306
olive bay
You're simming a 434 Forgestorm so no matter what it can be upgraded to 437 at the least
uncut thunder
And 1337 is LEET so u should pick that one
mellow lantern
right!? i suppose i just feel bad wasting the mats on the crafted item. checking if cham or hero
@olive bay both hero.
uncut thunder
A socket is worth rough how many iLVL? not sure my CV selections are worth much however Loop of Vitriolic Intent is simming higher
olive bay
If they are both hero why not sim them both at 441?
Just so you can get a better picture of it's true potential
mellow lantern
fair point, will do.
toxic pewter
im switching to 447 weapon today since I mostly do m+ anyway
olive bay
Even if the sims were identical I'd probably snag the Forgestorm just because there's only one of them but there's many okay rings
olive bay
how do we get catalyst quest / charges
IDK if it changed but it used to be right next to the GV
mellow lantern
awesome! thank you @olive bay !
cinder nova
Do we know if the Myth track on gear will be retroactive?
lusty grotto
would be dumb if it werent
but again they want to increase activity in that bracket
waxen frigate
Do we know if the Myth track on gear will be retroactive?
Would be incredibly dumb if it weren’t
sick sentinel
indestructible gloves should keep that when i catalyst them right
cinder nova
I'm vacillating between 447 hat or 441 Kagnis
sick sentinel
ya, thats why i chose them, would have been mad if didnt apply or goes away
cinder nova
Beacuse if it can upgrade to 447, I might just take kagnis
dusky canopy
I’ve got socketed leech helm waiting for my catalyst
proper roost
Do we know if the Myth track on gear will be retroactive?
it is currently retroactive on ptr, but initially it wasnt, so who knows
modern gazelle
What combination of trinkets do you guys use for M+ and for ST? I know there is the BiS list, but wondering if you guys go full AOE fo rM+ or if you still use one of the ST trinks...
dusky canopy
I run omen and bacon in all content currently
Those are also my only season 2 trinkets
lusty grotto
anvil + beacon ST, mark + beacon AOE is my plan
when i get the dumb bacon on my war
daring marlin
Hope I get essence on pally to pair with my beacon
lusty grotto
if ever
lusty grotto
lol
daring marlin
modern gazelle
beacon dropped last night but i didnt win it 😦
how much dps increase is the tier set? seems insanely high damage now that im looking at it...
modern gazelle
got 441 hands from my vault, havent collected yet but hoping i get some othe rpieces from raid to make at least 2 piece
modern gazelle
if i have no tier set pieces aside from the vault piece i can collect. Its more worth using the catalyst on a tier set piece not to upgrade a piece to heroic right?
lusty grotto
yeah idk if that's worth in keys but that's gonna be a shitton of haste
and other stats teehee
waxen frigate
yeah I stopped wearing mine, dropped me down to like monk hp, lol
Damn we really just catching strays huh
toxic pewter
lmao
warm plinth
yeah idk if that's worth in keys but that's gonna be a shitton of haste
It only procs like twice per dungeon
lusty grotto
yeah thats what ive been hearing
summer flax
im not using it as fury either, its not worth in higher keys tbh
pastel sleet
still no forgestorm. how long do i put off making this 1h. is it realy worth it.
ive done over 30 neltharus runs
toxic pewter
I am making a 1h weapon today personally
nocturne spindle
invite a bunch of 1 h classes and tell them youll love them forever if they trade it t o you
modern gazelle
^ when i want a piece i shamelessly invite like 3 warriors...
pastel sleet
ive done that. a shammy got it and said he didnt care if he was loved
modern gazelle
and make sure they are high ilvl so they dont need the gear
summer flax
wish they would make neltharus burning chains actually burn
cant see shit in that dungeon
crude notch
item in your bag silly goose
sick sentinel
do i only ever drop season 1 set bonus 2 pc, for 4 pc bonus sesson 2 set
lusty grotto
check sims
crude notch
or pins
south patrol
Catalyst out today right ?
toxic pewter
why did they remove the ability to search in item restoration lmao
this is awful trying to locate an item I think I sold
lusty grotto
i understand it
io into a database is resource intensive
if 20k players do it at once
it creates issues
toxic pewter
yah, the system already feels laggy tbh
lusty grotto
even if youre just searching
toxic pewter
Like loading a new page I can sense it is resource intensive
lusty grotto
its plugging into a soft delete database most likely
modern brook
smh just dont sell things
warm plinth
Typical shit design by blizzard tbh
lusty grotto
lol in this case, i understand it
toxic pewter
still sucks though lol gotta go through 80 pages cuz i cant remember when i sold it
doing control f
chilly pulsar
How much Haste is ideal for M+/Heroic tanking?
lusty grotto
all of it
chilly pulsar
Without Into the Fray
lusty grotto
all of it, but why wouldnt you go ITF
nocturne spindle
never too much haste
chilly pulsar
Cuz I already have 5.1k haste and I don't feel that I'm getting the best out of it
lusty grotto
you are
lusty grotto
i mean you should be anyway
crude notch
you'll have to excuse nim he lacks the critical skill called reading
sick sentinel
okay, i still don't got the catalyst quest yet
limpid estuary
Hey on Mythic Rashok is there a tried and true method to get the swirly’s to go where you want them or do you just pull the boss to the area you want them in and pray for good RNG on one of them?
south zealot
Welp. Fuck Arms then when off speccing
what
toxic pewter
yah prot and arms is the way to live
warm plinth
Cuz I already have 5.1k haste and I don't feel that I'm getting the best out of ...
sir, ItF is BETTER with more haste, not worse. You are literally getting the best out of it.
modern brook
It's additive haste.
its mult
warm plinth
It's actually multiplicative, which is even better because you get more haste the more haste you have.
warm plinth
It's 10% haste
If I have 100 haste, that's 10 haste. If I have 1000 haste, that's 100 haste.
cinder nova
Yeah, there's no way it's multiplicative.
warm plinth
It is lol
lusty grotto
...
modern brook
always has been yah
lusty grotto
it always has been
crude notch
S stands for Stupid
cinder nova
But it's not exponential, how the fuck can it be multiplicative.
modern brook
those are uhh different operations lol
cinder nova
You're gonna see them both together in a bunch of shit that's multiplicative if Diablo is any example.
warm plinth
If I have 30% haste, then ItF is giving you 1.3*1.1=1.43 or 13% haste from ItF.
assuming full stacks ofc
cinder nova
Oh, you're saying it's multiplicative because DR isn't affecting it.
Since you need more haste the more haste you have.
To go up the same %
cinder nova
That's why I said isn't.
If it was being DR'd then it wouldn't be multiplicative, no?
warm plinth
I'm not saying it's multiplicative because DR isn't affecting it though.
It's multiplicative because it's multiplicative
warm plinth
I mean you could still have something be multiplicative and be DRed. It would just obviously be reduced by DR
chilly pulsar
sir, ItF is BETTER with more haste, not worse. You are literally getting the be...
Can't argue with SUBT
urban portal
It would be 30+10=40
cinder nova
I'm still not seeing it, then.
urban portal
If it was haste it’s 1.3*1.1=1.43
lusty grotto
It would be 30+10=40
what does hekili tell you though
toxic pewter
some of my best friends are multiplicative
urban portal
Haste is special
warm plinth
An additive gain would be 30% haste + 10% haste = 40% haste
cinder nova
Yeah that's how it works though.
warm plinth
But it's 1.3x1.1 = 43% haste
proud patrol
can i bring spell block to underrot to avoid healing absorb on first boss or does this only work with reflect?
cinder nova
I'm still not getting it. It gives 10% haste, where are you getting 13%.
warm plinth
Because it's multiplicative.
modern brook
can i bring spell block to underrot to avoid healing absorb on first boss or doe...
just reflect and kick it
urban portal
It gives 10*whatever haste you have
warm plinth
It gives a different amount of haste based on how much you already have.
proud patrol
ye ofc, but im playing with 3 ranges later, thought i could make life easier
urban portal
That’s true for all haste buffs in this game
warm plinth
If I had 40, it would give 1.4x1.1 = 1.54 or 54% haste. In which case it's giving you 14% haste.
Which is why it's so good. The more haste you have, the more it gives you
And the haste it gives you is not DRed
modern brook
ye ofc, but im playing with 3 ranges later, thought i could make life easier
reflect->kick->coverage->reflect->kick should be solvable on the main boss, burn the add before it becomes an issue if you dont have the kicks to do both
modern brook
cinder nova
Blizzard what the fuck
Okay, so why aren't they just adding 10% haste, why is it multiplicative?
modern brook
Okay, so why aren't they just adding 10% haste, *why* is it multiplicative?
all haste buffs are multiplicative
toxic pewter
cuz its multiplicative
warm plinth
All haste is multiplicative. EVen lust.
cinder nova
Why.
warm plinth
Because it is. Ask Blizzard. 🤷
toxic pewter
cuz its more fun this way
cinder nova
But we'd get less haste, wouldn't we?
waxen vale
where am i getting so much mastery from passively
warm plinth
We would get less haste if it was additive, not more.
cinder nova
Yeah I don't see how it'd be broken if we're down haste
jagged pier
where am i getting so much mastery from passively
because u need the least amount of stat for 1% of mastery
warm plinth
Mastery for us is only like
120 mastery per %
For reference, haste is 170, crit is 180, and vers is 205/410
cinder nova
I wish our Mastery was cooler than an RNG passive we don't really care about
sick sentinel
already finished with the 3k quest, the 1500 niffen quest and TW
urban portal
Okay, so why aren't they just adding 10% haste, *why* is it multiplicative?
Because a lot of things aren’t affected by haste
dusky canopy
Warrior gets lust when?
craggy pilot
having bress on Prot Pala seems like way too much utility for them, amirite or nah?
like it should stay on Ret / Holy
craggy pilot
but BRess for tank in M+ is just too strong
lusty grotto
thats why today im upgrading my trusty BR bracers
modern brook
yeah thats why bdk and bear are dominating the meta
toxic pewter
3 of the 6 have brez
modern brook
smh
craggy pilot
i just saw my prot pala guildie in 1 key, he got Portal, he was in Valdrakken 5min, then in the next dungeon 😄
split pendant
As a hpriest main delete hpala
dusky canopy
I think paladin class getting a brez is necessary as a whole. In previous expansions all the utilitypaladin brought wasn’t enough
I think them getting brez helps with that
crude notch
thankfully the other two classes that also have brezz don't have a bunch of utility as well
that'd be miserable
craggy pilot
Sac + BOP + BOS + Bres
proper roost
when will prot warriors get lust
dusky canopy
crude notch
When they go outside and socialize?
proper roost
no that's like the opposite of what would happen
toxic pewter
warrior never getting bloodlust
dusky canopy
We get lust and an aoe absorb passive tied to our IP
toxic pewter
they dont want to give any tank bloodlust. if anything arms/fury may get it one day
dusky canopy
proper roost
when will warriors get demoralizing banner
toxic pewter
they took away our skull banner
we are fine utility wise in blizzards eyes
the community is just blind
dusky canopy
Make warrior the only tank when?
uneven mason
Tier gloves from vault, swapped chest and 4p 
toxic pewter
and like we talked about yesterday utility doesnt matter if the numbers are there. utility flies out of the window, no one cares one bit
crude notch
My warrior: Has 4pc
Also my warrior:
toxic pewter
y the fuk pandaria timewalking vendor still on timeless isle lmao aint nobody got time to go there
warm plinth
All the timewalking vendors are in their respective "main" areas
dusky canopy
What you mean bro the isle is timeless
toxic pewter
lol
proper roost
just use your timeless isle trinket to teleport there
toxic pewter
i finally understand
proper roost
???
toxic pewter
oshit good point
i used my pandara worm hole and it literally put me on the farthest west of pandaria possible
proper roost
imagine actually turning in the TW quest item
for the 500 currency or w/e
couldnt be me
amber siren
Wait how many sparks do you guys have? It’s 3 and a half this week right?
amber siren
I have been scammed somehow out of a spark
crude notch
Yes by not doing a weekly
amber siren
Done the weekly since reset, that’s why I was confused
prime sphinx
u cant fall behind just do a dungeon + weekly quest
warm plinth
If you're missing half a spark then just do the weekly and then do a couple keys
amber siren
I’ll send a ticket in later
proper roost
you missed one
warm plinth
You don't need to send in a ticket
proper roost
just do like two keys
toxic pewter
lol
warm plinth
Just farm the other fragment lol
proper roost
tfw this is why ticket queue times are 3 days long
prime sphinx
ayy lma
amber siren
I’ve done like 90 keys this season and I’m up to date with the quest
crude notch
they're gonna laugh at you if you open a ticket my guy
prime sphinx
yes and how many this week
amber siren
Idk why you insist I’m lying
warm plinth
My good sir, you can't farm if you're up to date
toxic pewter
send a ticket and wait 4 days for a response to tell you to f off
proper roost
inb4 this person is EU and spark quest not even up til tomorrow
real fossil
it doesnt share a cooldown with other trinkets, you hit it on cooldown and keep stacks by staying in combat. its good single target
amber siren
Ok thanks for the condescending information, very cool
real fossil
you have 12 seconds of dropping combat before stacks drop, and you can use the active to keep stacks going
warm plinth
Waste your time opening the ticket then. Idgaf. It's your life.
daring marlin
apb lmao
toxic pewter
I mean it is what will happen
unkempt rover
cool thanks
toxic pewter
Whats more likely, the game bugged out and gave everyone 4 sparks except him or he simply missed a weekly
amber siren
I have done the quest literally every week, multiple keys a reset
daring marlin
It just made me laugh
amber siren
Idk why it's hard to believe that maybe either I've done something weird, or the game has other than 'you are stupid and lying'
prime sphinx
because the answer is the lat part
lusty grotto
i mean i have 3.5 as well but its because im FUCKING 700/1500 REP AND I HATE IT
proper roost
human error has never happened before
warm plinth
I have done the quest literally every week, multiple keys a reset
Run this script /run print(C_QuestLog.IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(75641))
daring marlin
I have done the quest literally every week, multiple keys a reset
Are you NA or EU? I thought I goofed up one week because I completed the weekly before the catchup but it dropped from a boss after.
unkempt rover
@amber siren check your bank in case you haven't yet, I thought I missed a week too but the other piece was in my bank one time
crude notch
who tf uses their bank
modern brook
doing the weekly is cringe af
warm plinth
^
daring marlin
i mean i have 3.5 as well but its because im FUCKING 700/1500 REP AND I HATE IT
Hah imagine not stockpiling your rep tokens
YOU FOOLISH FOOL
proper roost
god bless u guys, paragons of patience all of you
lusty grotto
daring marlin
Peasant!
unkempt rover
the piece you use to craft to spark is considered reagent, easy to put it in there especially with the quick stack button
no reason to be condescending
its really easy to give advice 🙂
lusty grotto
warm plinth
That's my strategy Brew
lusty grotto
no, i want my bracers goddamn it
dusky canopy
amber siren
@warm plinth
dusky canopy
Literally refuse to waist my time doing that RP shit
crude notch
did he ever answer the NA question?
warm plinth
Literally refuse to waist my time doing that RP shit
I wait til the following week and just farm the fragment
fuck that 1500 rep shit
dusky canopy
This is the way
amber siren
Yep it's in my reagent bank 
dusky canopy
@amber siren when you get a ticket response 6/30/23 let me know what they say
proper roost
tbf europeans don't get mad over ego this way so probably not eu
amber siren
Thank u for the help
dusky canopy
I’m curious
unkempt rover
there you go 🙂
daring marlin
Yep it's in my reagent bank <:yep:703420923625078804>
unkempt rover
but no call him a dumbass 🙂
amber siren
I mean it was better help than the 10 'you don't know how the quest works'
daring marlin
Happened to me too
proper roost
thank god dude, do not file a blizz ticket - they are literally training chatgpt on your customer service emails
dusky canopy
Chatgpt
crude notch
nice
lusty grotto
Rybie you should have went "fuck you its bugged" and then never said anything again
toxic pewter
human error still wins the day
amber siren
???
modern brook
***Why***.
As far as i can tell Haste and crit are multiplicative becuase they have natural caps and they feel good to have a lot of
crude notch
I SAID WHAT I SAID
proper roost
based and australian
lusty grotto
would have been fun seeing everyone trying to find an explanation
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
and then we'd be like "oh i wwonder what happened to Rybie"
and they'd do it all over again
what missed opportunity
dusky canopy
I kid I kid I don’t normally talk that way I’m not EU
warm plinth
He should've said he didn't find it just to rub it in our faces
crude notch
Should've let him send a ticket
amber siren
Rybie you should have went "fuck you its bugged" and then never said anything ag...
lmao I mean, tempting but it was good advice to check and might help someone else who's confused
lusty grotto
yeah thats what i meant lol
dusky canopy
Did you try submitting a ticket?
toxic pewter
I did not mean to be aggressive, but that is what would of happened if you submitted a ticket.. blizzard would of just given you a copy paste response with a no
dusky canopy
What was eta?
dusky canopy
No the response would of encouraged you to look at 3rd party websites for your answer
amber siren
Nah I didn't, I got out of bed to check the stupid script 
dusky canopy
LOL
knotty stump
Looking for suggestions for a 447 to craft.
daring marlin
mf has my neck
proper roost
you gotta start spamming 17s
dang the ilvl gap between champion and hero gear should be increased
dusky canopy
It’s a whole 4 ilvl
knotty stump
I've thought the same thing
dusky canopy
I honestly have to disagree.
daring marlin
People going on about no drops in neltharus and NL
dusky canopy
I do not like the massive gear gap between normal and mythic
proper roost
it should be increased to like 10 ilvl gap lol
proper roost
its kinda weirdge that someone can be within 4 ilvls of a person spamming 20s, while they only have all champion gear
uneven mason
fuck that 1500 rep shit
Idk where I get them from but every week I have a 2500 rep item for the moles in my bags
warm plinth
The campaign gives them
sick sentinel
fortified uldaman is cursed
warm plinth
But once you finish it, that's all you get
dusky canopy
Who gives a shit what ilvl a person is
Skill is what matters
Literally could make everyone 450 ilvl and skill would still make all the difference
uneven mason
But once you finish it, that's all you get
Huh I mean I've only been using one a week
vocal verge
Combine skill and ilvl and it’s huge
dusky canopy
I’m all in on the less ilvl gap side of the fence
uneven mason
Literally could make everyone 450 ilvl and skill would still make all the differ...
This - 450 ilvl isn't going to save the dude who tries to block crawgmaws charge with his face
proper roost
i mean, basically because higher skill content should prob reward commensurately better gear
dusky canopy
I think it’s annoying as hell
proper roost
but its only 4 ilvl better gear
lusty grotto
i gotta load up my "hitting a nado while running away from mechanics and/or breath" weak aura counter
dusky canopy
There should be world content item level, normal item level, and heroic item level.
In my opinion
Mythic should be cosmetic
And for the flex
crude notch
who tf cares about ilvl gear
uneven mason
Mythic raids should award cosmetics, don't @ me
dusky canopy
Hard agree
crude notch
rewarding with "better gear" is silly stuff because you're replacing that shit anyways, so why not reward with something that actually shows you did something worthwhile
dusky canopy
It’s so stupid that the best gear in a RPG is gated by mythic
A few thousand people out of millions can do it
Just dumb imo
Cosmetic’s absolutely
Even a better leaderboard would be cool
But ilvl!?
Stupid
uneven mason
Mudflation
crude notch
I'm still wondering why tf people be putting their sparks in their banks
Pretty hooked up on that ngl
dusky canopy
I’m by no means a FF fan but I really like how they do ultimates
It has zero impact on your player power
But it’s a feat of strength you can flex
warm plinth
I'm still wondering why tf people be putting their sparks in their banks
It's because they're classed as a reagent. A lot of folks have auto reagent deposit on.
dusky canopy
Why does wow mythic not be like that
crude notch
Ok FF fan.
lusty grotto
ultimates have 5 ilvl higher than savage weapons though
uneven mason
Oh snap right I got 4p so I can replace my helm with crafted
crude notch
I’m by no means a FF fan but I really like how they do ultimates
FFFan69420. I found you.
lusty grotto
i havent done ultimates cause i just dont think i have the time
uneven mason
I hit somewhere in the low 60s before I couldn't take anymore msq
warm plinth
FFFan69420. I found you.
Wonder how long it's gonna be until they get to your new account for the username thing
daring marlin
I'm still wondering why tf people be putting their sparks in their banks
I go to the bank, hit deposit reagents to clear bags and that's it.
crude notch
i play FF for an hour every 3 years and then log out and realize i hate the game because if I actually wanted to play it with any sense of seriousness I'd drop wow
daring marlin
It has zero impact on your player power
If you do an ultimate when it's current the weapon is BIS. 😉
dusky canopy
If you do an ultimate when it's current the weapon is BIS. 😉
I mean hey you got me there I guess
But like
1 item with FIVE ilvl
wow
lusty grotto
I'll clear your savage tier
yeah its not a lot
plus loot is pretty deterministic and there are totems for bad luck
daring marlin
1 item with FIVE ilvl
It's mostly the third socket
huehue
Plus that ain't why people clear it
dusky canopy
Right all in all people do it for the flex
Wow’s mythic should be the same
At least I’d be in favor of that anyway
lusty grotto
wow mythic can stay the same imo
its just way too hard to get into
accessibility is a problem
daring marlin
Wouldn't care if it was 10man
lusty grotto
20 mans locked to a singular server is a problem
dusky canopy
Oh yeah mythic should definitely stay and be challenging I just think they should remove the ilvl from it
crude notch
bring back 10m
daring marlin
enjoy wranglin' 19 people
daring marlin
true
lusty grotto
ngl i would fucking raid mythic asap if they changed it to 10 man to cross server
daring marlin
yep
crude notch
So much easier to avoid drama the less people there are.
lusty grotto
but again 
has a point that the game just simply has way too many classes/specs
so class balance would be an even bigger issue
lusty grotto
i mean it is
warm plinth
2+2 gamer on rogue now 
lusty grotto
kind of a crock
crude notch
If 37 specs is too many 33 was too.
lusty grotto
but it wouldnt be healthy to keep going with the whole bring the class not the player mentality to cover some buffs/utility etc
crude notch
That's the funny thing
lusty grotto
and then people would cry about class identity
daring marlin
crude notch
like which is unhealthier.
lusty grotto
yeah i dont disagree with you guys, im all for it
just saying it would turn off a lot of people
dusky canopy
Honestly 10 man mythic would not be an issue because of class buffs the top guilds would run whatever is mathematically the best and everyone else would just bring what they got and make it work
It would not be as big of a problem as max makes it sound like
warm plinth
or just stacking 12 warlocks
another pro in the 10 man side. You'd only be able to bring 6 warlocks 😏
lusty grotto
dusky canopy
Same jakey
lusty grotto
same
dusky canopy
It would make accessibility so much better as a whole
warm plinth
what's the smart person way to sim between different consumables?
lusty grotto
a lot more groups in group finder, etc
jagged pier
top gear choose different consumes and the different ones
warm plinth
I think that just uses whatever they put in the module though no?
dusky canopy
Yeah gnash I was memeing
warm plinth
oh lol
warm plinth
devo aura, atrophic poison
though I guess not all of those are absolutely need type shit
but in cutting edge prog you do what you gotta do
topaz raptor
ok im not exactly sure what to pick from the vault. The defensive trinket looks good since i could use some defensive help on heroic fights were still progging through. But I don't think it'd be worth ever to switch it out with zaqali grapnel
the shield is 3/5 hero nvm Dps doesnt change that much changing from shield to shield. https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/proudmoore/gsc
warm plinth
ok I go nap now before work 💤
lusty grotto
you dont need defensive trinkets for heroic fights
topaz raptor
so the shield then
proper roost
isnt wft for prot really good still
topaz raptor
looks like it could get upgraded to 440+
dusky canopy
Yes
proper roost
as a major raidbuff to check off
twin bramble
Do we do anything different for fortified and bursting? Or just take more damage at end of mob health and again on death?
dusky canopy
Last I checked it was like 6.x% gain for Prot to have windfury
We’re the biggest gain
It could have changed recently though
Worth double checking
lusty grotto
so the shield then
if you dont have access to aspects for crafted, sure
proper roost
bring a spriest to your key
topaz raptor
if you dont have access to aspects for crafted, sure
okay, ill take the shield. Thanks. Yeah its been hard for me to get the aspects. I am strong enough for the dungeons but have a hard time getting accepted into group or having decent levels apply
proper roost
Dont chainpull weirdly (this is always true tho)
Pray that blizzard correctly whitelisted the mobs for bursting
and not random yellow/minion mobs
twin bramble
Hahaha. Thanks
cinder nova
Last I checked it was like 6.x% gain for Prot to have windfury
Did the windfury guy put out another spreadsheet finally? Or was it someone else?
twin bramble
Don’t chainpull to allow stacks to drop off?
proper roost
I mean you can chainpull just dont trickle
but as i said thats kind of normally how you should do it anyway
because you want to do groups of pulls for dps cds
modern brook
Did the windfury guy put out another spreadsheet finally? Or was it someone else...
i believe blood mallet has these estimates
proper roost
its just extra punished if you do it shittily this week, but also not really
crude notch
got OCE on my warrior from weekly TW. Already have grapnel and Dargrul
topaz raptor
cinder nova
Last I heard Bloodmallet isn't the most ideal resource, but that was like... late Legion
modern brook
Last I heard Bloodmallet isn't the most ideal resource, but that was like... lat...
yeah that hasnt changed much
but tbh some guys excel sheet thats getting passed around isnt eactly more reliable
crude notch
it's just like any other source good for a baseline of understanding wtf is complete trash and what isn't
modern brook
He was one of *the* enh shaman theorycrafters.
not tryna hit his credentials
crude notch
then you sim yourself beyond that
topaz raptor
kitewing is a 60 dps loss :/
crude notch
Bloodmallet doing WFT is probably not gonna be a bad source as like you said it's coming from an enhance shaman tc.
lusty grotto
kitewing is a 60 dps loss :/
what is your current shield
cause shield is our biggest defensive upgrade
crude notch
Like if the APL writer decides they just don't like a talent (I'm looking at you Bountiful Brew) welp there it goes.
modern brook
Like if the APL writer decides they just don't like a talent (I'm looking at you...
thats how warlocks got buffed
hazy bronze
I mean the apls are all open source
modern brook
TCs just stopped trying when they werent the best spec in the game
crude notch
I mean the apls are all open source
ok?
topaz raptor
what is your current shield
calamity heralod - 61,397 dps,
expirment kitewing 61,318 dps
Monstrous gluttony 61,386
topaz raptor
ive been using monstrous glutotny but i got htese other 2 today
lusty grotto
ok first of all
cinder nova
Pretty sure monstrous is BIS for DPS assuming everything is the same.
lusty grotto
you dont sim dps for shields, you go ilvl > all
and the reason for that
is Block Value
topaz raptor
o ok there all 3 the same ilvl 437
crude notch
If you don't like it, fix it?
what?
lusty grotto
which is the shield that would have the most ilvl?
topaz raptor
all the same hero 4/5
lusty grotto
yeah
topaz raptor
kk
lusty grotto
if you can upgrade them to max and they are hero
topaz raptor
oh wait sorry the only one thats not hero 4/5 is the monstrous glutotny that is 8/8 champion
cinder nova
There's a website, homie
crude notch
who are you homie'ing?
lusty grotto
nice prediction on the affixes btw
i actually hate storming 😦
cinder nova
crude notch
S
waxen vale
had to hot swap to a dagger rn on sark lmao
lusty grotto
oh wait sorry the only one thats not hero 4/5 is the monstrous glutotny that is ...
go herald, its crit haste
if its hero
topaz raptor
go herald, its crit haste
ok ty
crude notch
https://mythicpl.us/
HUR DUR WE DIDN"T KNOW THIS WEEK'S AFFIXES UNTIL TODAY HUR DUR
sick sentinel
jaunty granite
quick question, i main fury and im being at risk of being sat on zskarn prog b/c we need more immunities, i was told i can tank to keep a spot, we have BRM/BDK/Me as prot warr. in this scenario, brew does bombs and me and bdk do boss or do i do bombs b/c im a less experienced tank player and brm/bdk do boss?
lusty grotto
do bombs if you dont know what youre doing
jaunty granite
we havent pulled the boss 1 time yet so idk if the other tanks know what they're doing yet
what should i want to as a shitty tank but a decent melee dps player
last bosses i tanked on mythic were painsmith and sludgefist, dont think ive ever tanked a 20 key
jaunty granite
shit
lusty grotto
just dont
cinder nova
You need AA slows on the boss
sick sentinel
storming tyranical VP has to be annoying as hell
jaunty granite
AA slows?
lusty grotto
auto attack
jaunty granite
ok
cinder nova
Experiments and Zskarn are auto-attack bosses and they clobber from the magic dot they stack
sick sentinel
im pretty sure fort storming VP will still be the same bad
jaunty granite
so i should volunteer to do bombs?
cinder nova
Probably.
lusty grotto
if youre fury
jaunty granite
yeah i main fury
lusty grotto
youre automatically onl bomb duty
jaunty granite
ok
cinder nova
Not that moving zskarn is particularly hard, but if you don't know what you're doing and you haven't tanked him, trying to do it on M blind is gonna be a nightmare.
lusty grotto
3rd tank always goes bombs
jaunty granite
yeah b/c i dont know where to put boss etc...
its not something i ever think about i just follow the boss wherever it goes usually
cinder nova
Leave the tanking to the MTs. The 3rd tank strat is exclusively to have a bomb sponge.
lusty grotto
all you gotta do is walk over bombs
jaunty granite
ok so how do i like the shit b/c like impending victory, ignore pain, all require rage
do i need to sneak in melee hits on the boss to get rage
lusty grotto
hit the boss?
jaunty granite
ok
lusty grotto
bombs arent up all the time
jaunty granite
if i do demo shout on boss does that affect bomb damage
lusty grotto
it should
nocturne spindle
so is the play craft 447 pants and then 4 set
lusty grotto
and bomb damage is not blockable so
jaunty granite
is there a prot warrior zskarn bomb damage soaking build or do i just play the T30 build
cinder nova
It also helps if you practice good form in terms of ability priority, since ideal play also improves our survivability a fuckload
lusty grotto
only keep SB up if you want to have decent dps on boss etc
just play ST build in the pins
jaunty granite
i dont think we need damage rn everyone usually pumps pretty har
lusty grotto
keep demo up, spam IPs
jaunty granite
kk
lusty grotto
(note spam IPs FOR THIS SPECIFIC SCENARIO, lurkers do not spam IPs outside of this)
jaunty granite
has anyone here done zskarn as bomb tank i think its most prot paladins who do it
lusty grotto
dont be scared to use wall if you have 2-3 stacks
jaunty granite
alright
jaunty granite
ok so spend rage as much as possible to get SW back
so hit boss when theres no bombs and spend rage as fast as possible
cinder nova
bet you if I @ jordie they'll mald
lusty grotto
youre a fury main, you know how AM works
cinder nova
idk I @ Nom and Jakey all the time. Just make sure you're asking something not covered by anything pinned or in a guide, and that nobody else in the channel has a definitive answer to.
In this case, yeah - probably not worth it.
jaunty granite
yeah ill browse youtube see if i can find a prot warrior doing bombs
cinder nova
You might have more luck just filtering logs on WCL and watching replays
lusty grotto
its not hard
cinder nova
But who knows, I don't look on YT for POV stuff
lusty grotto
you probably wont find anything for that niche scenario
bombs put a physical dot on you, they stack
try to keep stack low
by taking your time but remember bombs explode so manage time between them well
its not really hard at all
jaunty granite
alright i feel better about it now, ty
im gonna try filtering thru logs to see what i can find
that was a good idea
knotty stump
Does Lariat sim properly, ie taking other sockets into consideration?
jaunty granite
did they make filtering logs on WCL premium, like how do i search for 3-tank raid comps
knotty stump
I have a bromachs, but I simmed it to see what a 447 would look like and it showed 800+ dps increase in favor of the lariat
jagged pier
were u simming with a second emblishment to take up for loosing lariat?
knotty stump
nope, that's probably it
crude notch
That's not how you view embellishments though. You want to view them as comparison with each other and how much they're a gain, not lariat versus another neck.
knotty stump
thanks
crude notch
Any damage embellishment is gonna sim higher than a non-embellishment.
restive crown
so scary to use beacon during fortified 😔
knotty stump
also, am I missing something or is annulet just that good? I simmed a 447 titan signet against the 424 annulet and lost 2000 dps
jagged pier
its that good
knotty stump
crazy
crude notch
bet you if I @ jordie they'll mald
about what?
are you spreading misinformation again?
jaunty granite
im a fury warrior main that was asked to either sit or tank zskarn
aka do bombs
so im perusing WCL to find a mythic zskarn kill with a prot warr running bombs
and i cant find
jagged pier
u wont find one
jaunty granite
we run brm/bdk and prot warr apparently
jagged pier
cause they just heal the damage
jaunty granite
like my tanking experience is literally like mythic painsmith 1 time on a reclear, mythic sludgefist and never tanked a 20
crude notch
i'm so confused
jaunty granite
me too but i dont wanna be sat so im trying to figure this out
crude notch
what does mean getting @ 'd have to do with you being a fury main that is bomberman?
Or is S just being a child?
jaunty granite
i said i didnt want to @ anyone i didnt know asking for info/favors
crude notch
you said that AFTER they said something about @ 'ing me
crude notch
and turns out there was none
jaunty granite
yeah i dont think it was anything of relevance
jagged pier
uneven mason
PWAR doing bombs, that's a rough one since it removes you from melee so no AM cycling or IP building
urban portal
Well you aren’t expected to play the game anyways
Just run around do bombs and talent titanic throw
uneven mason
Sourceless damage too so destro shout does fuckall
jagged pier
i mean yer thats my point good luck like espically as u have like no expereince
even top warriors would struggle with bombs
jaunty granite
do i just demand to be on the boss
jaunty granite
do i just accept it and be sat, i actually like prog and want the 9/9
jaunty granite
mythic
lusty grotto
oh lmao
regal estuary
Is there a point for us or number of sockets where lariat becomes worth it again or are we just trashing it entirely for the tier?
jagged pier
well u can try it for a bit but u literally will probably ither die tanking the boss
or not play the game and do bombs
and need babysitting ither way
🤷
uneven mason
Betting his RL is a unholy DK who doesn't want to go blood
jagged pier
Is there a point for us or number of sockets where lariat becomes worth it again...
its trash
jagged pier
then just do bombs
jagged pier
but its not like we have cds to cover them at all
uneven mason
You're only option
jaunty granite
WF prot warrior bomb soaker incoming
jagged pier
u just need to be babysat by healers
uneven mason
They're gonna need to pump your health
jaunty granite
are bandages still in the game
uneven mason
Since you'll have zero options after the first 2
uneven mason
Sounds like he needs a full turtle build
jagged pier
it wont make a difference
balmy canyon
are bandages still in the game
Yes, I've had my guild healers mail me and my cotank stacks for kicks
crude notch
bro wants to be in on prog so bad he was gonna use bandages
jagged pier
u cant hit the boss as much
jaunty granite
thats what i asked earlier if i just run t30 build if theres one for it
uneven mason
thats what i asked earlier if i just run t30 build if theres one for it
We really don't have a full turtle setup
jaunty granite
fugg
im sure i can come up with something i just need to see the fight first adn see how i can edit my build to deal w/ it
uneven mason
Gimme a second since there's probably a scuffed build that'll make Nom make 
face but might give you some resources
lusty grotto
its a physical dot, so
IP/Demo/wall as much as possible, with good rage intake without relying on being on boss
uneven mason
Can't demo bombs AFAIK
lusty grotto
so unnerving is probably a must
uneven mason
Mmhmm
lusty grotto
it should lower the dmg with demo on boss, unless that encounter is even fuckier than i imagine
jagged pier
like i dont even know where to put the last point
but if u arent tanking the boss u can forgo block
and just go for rage gen
to help i guess
lusty grotto
tlords maybe?
jagged pier
🤷
crude notch
smdh
jaunty granite
maybe take intervene for extra mobility?
lusty grotto
just try to clap adds
jagged pier
no cause your not gunna be on the boss
jaunty granite
b/c all our movement is leap/gap closers
i feel like intervene would be super good here
crude notch
imma at nome so he can see this monstrosity