to figure out what i have to do
#protection
strong forum
oh you didnt even touch the boss yet?
broken juniper
nah
waxen frigate
Based as fuck
broken juniper
lolol
waxen frigate
And true
strong forum
cuz that way youll figure out the ACTUAL breaking points
broken juniper
not sure my guild leader would like that tbh
plush tendon
honestly, just can probably get away with a lot by just swapping to DStance during combo
waxen frigate
Why use defensive if you don’t need defensive
jagged pier
if your not comfortable calling and cordinating externals u only need spell block
plush tendon
use spell reflect for the fire slash
jagged pier
nothing else
broken juniper
honestly, just can probably get away with a lot by just swapping to DStance duri...
that was included in my initial thought, i just didnt write it
jagged pier
honestly, just can probably get away with a lot by just swapping to DStance duri...
nah u need like d stance SR external to survive slash
broken juniper
use spell reflect for the fire slash
eah for an additinal 20% protection
jagged pier
SR on its own isnt enough
plush tendon
i wouldnt know, doing this fight as a prot paladin
waxen frigate
Does earth strike do shit to warr
plush tendon
waxen frigate
It slapped me good as brew
strong forum
nah
waxen frigate
Nice
jagged pier
no it does like 10 mil nome
waxen frigate
And you can wall once every set at least right
dusky canopy
Shit I have to do the weekly for the half spark item don’t I
plush tendon
yea, its a one shot if you take two in a row
waxen frigate
no it does like 10 mil nome
Yeah it’s like 10-15mil
dusky canopy
…….
plush tendon
theres no living it
waxen frigate
I don’t think ur living that
modern brook
just block it again jake
strong forum
10mil after critblock?
jagged pier
not after crit block
waxen frigate
15mil after stagger on brew fwiw
waxen frigate
just block it again jake
Dual shields
jagged pier
but i took double earth once i had block up and im sure the damage was like 9 mil
strong forum
anybody got a log of it im curious
jagged pier
can have a look from last monday for me
we had 4 ppl quit so havent raided this week
plush tendon
and D4
strong forum
jakey went back to his more casual guild
plush tendon
is slowly killing guilds
waxen frigate
is slowly killing guilds
My whole guild is raid logging except for like 5 ppl who are playing alts
RuneScape and D4 have taken over
broken juniper
for Earthen Crush = Shield Block, Ignore Pain + one CD like Demo Shout or Shield Wall or Last Stand
for Flaminsh/blazing slash (well the other attack) = Ignore Pain + Spell Reflect, Spell Block + one CD like Demo Shout or Shield Wall or Last Stand (shield block will also probably up)
am i forgetting something?
dusky canopy
Pretty sure last I looked at “today in wow” less than 100 guilds have cleared mythic still
Good game
red otter
This season just isnt as fun as last tbh, kinda burnt out. And been playing more alts then ever.
jagged pier
no u can take earthen crush with just SB
dusky canopy
broken juniper
no u can take earthen crush with just SB
damn ok
strong forum
the only scary part is legit just the flame slash
waxen frigate
no u can take earthen crush with just SB
That makes me angy
broken juniper
Rn my stat build is Haste/Vers, with a bit of Crit
broken juniper
like flame slash will kill u
yeah in heroic it slapped really hard
jagged pier
if only it could be parried
waxen frigate
Fix stagger pls
broken juniper
Thank you all for the recommandations/tips!
waxen frigate
Also what the fuck how did I only take 2
broken juniper
Is there anything tricky for Prot Warrior in Mythic Rashok asides from the flame slash?
jagged pier
no
red otter
Hey btw quick stupid question, started playing prot warrior actively just the other week and Im coming into one issue consistently.
How do I deal with big large incoming hits (Primarly bosses)?
With how cd's are on prot warrior the large defensives are on massive timers.
waxen frigate
Don’t get double flame slashed 🙂
dusky canopy
So basically you just react quickly if you see flame slash going on you
Doesn’t sound to terrible
jagged pier
no
u just use the same stuff every combo
cause its rng if u get flame shlash or not
so i d stnace SR TD first
SW SR second
SR ironbark d stance stoneform 3rd
waxen frigate
Yeah you want to have whoever is actively tanking it eat the first whatever it is
broken juniper
So basically you just react quickly if you see flame slash going on you
my guess is: if I see earthern Crush, i can cast spell reflect right after, it last 5 seconds anyway, and spell block is freaking 30 seconds now so I dont have to mind it very much, and i just swap defensive stance during the tankbuster
dusky canopy
Yea jakey typical gameplay makes sense
jagged pier
Hey btw quick stupid question, started playing prot warrior actively just the ot...
u have to use yoru cds before big damage not after
modern brook
Hey btw quick stupid question, started playing prot warrior actively just the ot...
Sheildwall w/ proper play is a 60s cd
jagged pier
@strong forum u dont live a second
red otter
Gotcha gotcha
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> u dont live a second
ye ok
jagged pier
SW is on a min CD when playing correctly
broken juniper
i never tried it but, does Stoneform remove the debuff from Rashok's tankbuster?
kind urchin
Between BFA and this season I've done the first pull in Underrot hundreds of times. I used to pull the ticks but my guild mates requested that I don't pull those. So, this whole season so far I've pulled the worm and Matron up to the group on the center platform. Never had an issue with either type of pull until this week. Suddenly the worm is casting on the group instead of following me to be grouped up with the rest of the pull before it casts. I'm not 100% sure but pretty close to it that they are hitting it before I finish the pull and they're blaming me for it.
subtle peak
What’s the general consensus on drogbar rocks for prot?
wheat glacier
I was 430 and still using Drogbar Rock and Stone.
Mostly because no other trinket would drop though
jagged pier
u shouldnt be using stonre
stone*
like any trinket from last season is better than that
subtle peak
I gots a 437 beacon and a 441 anvil
jagged pier
so u dont use rocks
subtle peak
Ahhh cool cool
wheat glacier
u shouldnt be using stonre
Yeah, but I turned into a cool little Drogbar dude that's says Rock and Stone. Definitely worth it
shut summit
<@192743144276623360> u dont live a second
can live 2nd with just LS / GS
but on your own ye you die
just tried durin a wipe back in prog few weeks ago
modern brook
now thats a b value lmao
crystal mauve
For Rashiok Mythic I've tried to use IO for a few pulls and I've noticed that the avatar CD aligned somewhat well with the tank buster. It was kinda cool to use the SW from Avatar for something useful for one 🙂
waxen frigate
Yeah, but I turned into a cool little Drogbar dude that's says Rock and Stone. D...
Based tbh
uneven mason
just tried durin a wipe back in prog few weeks ago
That critical block, throwback to Argus
toxic pewter
is there an amount of mastery we generally want to get to at least as a bare minimum
jagged pier
- rally and LS
kind urchin
That block though.
crystal mauve
is there an amount of mastery we generally want to get to at least as a bare min...
We are not actively looking for any mastery. If it's there on higher lvl items we will have it (cause of ilvl) otherwise we don't look for it
toxic pewter
Yah but I heard there is like a breakpoint we may want to hit
urban portal
no
crystal mauve
Yah but I heard there is like a breakpoint we may want to hit
Nope, unless the breakpoint is 0
urban portal
unless you go the crit mastery unbind shield block build
crystal mauve
(let's be clear for anyone listening, this is a meme bluid)
uneven mason
Can we get rid of bsv and replace it with neltharions fury
jagged pier
Can we get rid of bsv and replace it with neltharions fury
no thanks
it did no damage compared to the other tank artifacts
uneven mason
Oh I just mean an ability that assures a crit block, not exactly the actual channel
toxic pewter
wait is nelth fury the legion ability
uneven mason
replace ravager with nelth fury, buff nelth fury to do fat dam
There's an idea
Yeah crit block channel
toxic pewter
that would own
uneven mason
I mean it's mostly to log cheese for blocking more HP than the raid has combined
Although combined with splock
jagged pier
in a world where u drop BV and outburst because the cap stones for the third capstone is actually good
drifting socket
Did i read that someone was able to survive 2 rashok crush's?
by critically blocking
uneven mason
🦄
strong forum
i wouldnt mind a world where you drop BV to get a good talent
jagged pier
well not just crit blocking
strong forum
emphasis on good talent
jagged pier
u need LS and rally
jagged pier
emphasis on good talent
true
drifting socket
shield wall as well?
jagged pier
no
uneven mason
Did i read that someone was able to survive 2 rashok crush's?
Yes but that someone is sense, so normal physics does not apply
sick sentinel
i want a world where bloodborne is more towards the middle of the tree atttached to a bleed talent in the prot tree and it only costs one
shut summit
just increased healing iirc
sick sentinel
thats what i want
jagged pier
helps to get topped inbetween i suppose
crude notch
Wait which tanks don't have their artifact in their tree?
cinder storm
I looted my chest prior the m+ no affix bug, I quit out and did a key yesterday, I thought the bug fix was also retroactive but was fun to do a non affix key
toxic pewter
ngl, I have been doing legion content lately cuz im bored and it makes me sad dragonflight does not come close to order hall and the questlines and things to actually do.. its almost like a lot people today dont know what it was like
doing balance of power questline
crude notch
I mean that can be said about every old expansion's system
toxic pewter
Yeah I cant lie I actually miss a lot of the stuff people apparently dont want
I guess I am the odd one out though
sick sentinel
so, i just want to hear the strategy for the first boss lair involving the adds
cuz theres at least 2 things, but mostly 2 ways i can think of handling adds that fight
cinder storm
I miss twilight devastation, the visual was really neat
toxic pewter
cuz theres at least 2 things, but mostly 2 ways i can think of handling adds tha...
I personally taunt/heroic throw the adds to where I am tanking (usually along the wall) but some let the dps get the adds apparently
sick sentinel
I miss twilight devastation, the visual was really neat
subtle peak
Yeah i try my best to not aggro the adds and it works out well for the melee
Though it’s pretty inconsistent because you can’t guarantee that they won’t be aggroed all the time
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OpBo8fvU1o bfg overrated a bit, unmaker extra cute
unmakyr = prenerf infnite stars, bfg = twilgiht dev
cinder storm
I'm actually practicing for my ultra nightmare runs, I have to send my ps5 for repairs
sick sentinel
why not on pc
modern brook
n the last 8 years discord never updates properly
cinder storm
eh, I have it on pc, just wanted to try it on console as well, which is slightly harder = less dps
sick sentinel
doom on controller and limited to 60 fps when you can have it m+ KB unlimited FPS
cinder storm
doom on controller and limited to 60 fps when you can have it m+ KB unlimited FP...
yeah, the more I advance the more I regret it, but have to down the icon on console
sick sentinel
i get it though i cant play GTA style games on KB mouse, my brain is programmed to triangle robs the car
uneven mason
Good thing you can get a ps5 type controller for pc
cinder storm
I havent been to zaralek cavern much, is there anything to do there?
uneven mason
I havent been to zaralek cavern much, is there anything to do there?
If you're above 424ilvl, not really besides the main story
Like customization for the dragonriding mounts
sick sentinel
rares and such, 1/2 spark weekly
uneven mason
I havent been to zaralek cavern much, is there anything to do there?
However if you're into adorable side quests and cosmetics it's not bad
Snail racing
cinder storm
However if you're into adorable side quests and cosmetics it's not bad
This has been an interesting season
Non mandatory new zone, easy gear upgrade
uneven mason
It's certainly catering toward getting the 90% of people who never touch raid or m+ into that content
Like I've had a lot of "teaching opportunities" pugging alt keys
sick sentinel
i think alot of people do mythic +
just not at a +20 lvl
tons of keys below 10 listed constantly when i look up groups
cinder storm
This next few weeks with catalyst 20+s will open to many people, I personally only have one tier on my pala and 3 on my war
dense verge
Forgestorm still good?
cinder storm
always been good
sick sentinel
yeah but don't bend over backwards and snap your spine trying to get it
uneven mason
Lot more people without previous season raiderio
dense verge
I've not had a weapon drop I've been using a 415 Strike Twice lol
uneven mason
In the 10-15 range
uneven mason
I've not had a weapon drop I've been using a 415 Strike Twice lol
Crafted weapon is a solid option
dense verge
Aye only wondered as a mate says for his ppala a 447crafted is better than FS and just got me wondering if it was still good for PWar, I've only 2-3 hours play time a week
sudden sable
yes, forgestorm is better on pwar than ppal.
cinder storm
If you don't have that much time to play or farm or raid, you can craft a weap, not a bad slot to craft
toxic pewter
why is forgestorm better for prot warr than prot pal
sullen gust
My money says the stats
Think the ol forgestorm is Haste Crit
We love Haste and we are fans of extra crit
I wanna say pallys like mastery?
mighty valley
maybe they just lose more without main stat
torn gulch
Strenght is more important on pala than on war
It is important on war but not as important as pala
Plus forgestorm is statted well for us
But you can t do wrong with 447 crafted
modern brook
maybe they just lose more without main stat
we attack faster
mighty valley
would've thought procs like this were normalized these days
modern brook
to my knowledge forgestorm is not rppm
strong forum
for mega keys forgestorm is not bis, it only wins until 4 targets
and tbh for me aswell its barely a gain
it needs to do well over 3% overall to be a dps gain
i specifically name the % cuz thats exactly what it needs to beat
river creek
Is Forgemaster 437 a better tank wep then 441 Scholar's Thinking Cudgel
toxic pewter
tomorrow can craft an item, is 447 weapon the pick?!?!
strong forum
also after recent dmg changes, theres a chance that its no longer as good, given that we benefit 8% more off of str now
strong forum
Is Forgemaster 437 a better tank wep then 441 Scholar's Thinking Cudgel
for raiding yes
for m+, unless youre regularily pulling 100k overalls, also yes
river creek
lol not at 100k
strong forum
then its good for you
mighty valley
it still sims as better damage for me at 7-8 targets but the rest of my gear is kinda lacking
strong forum
for me its only until 4
and that was pre-buff
so it may very well be 3 now for me
loud cave
Should I be trying to pull all adds on Rokmora boss?
vestal canopy
To ask a dumb question, threat on a pull tends to be an issue outside of Charge, Avatar, SB, TC opener, do I just rotate Avatar and Dragon Roar between pulls for initial snap threat? (admittedly I do play with 440 Ret paladins who love to use CDs as I charge, knowing I'm sub 420 ilvl)
plush tendon
threat shouldnt be an issue and you shouldn't have to plan a CD for each pull.... thats the rets problem
slam everything you got on CD
dusky canopy
I typically Titanic throw > Charge/Ravager > thunderclap
If I’m worried about threat
vestal canopy
Thanks for the response 👍
dusky canopy
Threats not really an issue unless you’re in the situation you described
Behind on ilvl significantly
fresh igloo
To ask a dumb question, threat on a pull tends to be an issue outside of Charge,...
just something to keep in mind, when you're starting a pull, make sure your TC and Revenge is actually hitting everything, and if not you'll need to intentionally put something in to the further out ones (like a shield slam). I found for a while that things were JUST BARELY out of range at the start of some pulls until I started paying more attention to that.
and of course if you haven't actually hit 'em then the dps will instantly pull threat.
dusky canopy
Also note too, If a dps blows there load on 3-5 mobs while you’re still gathering the 2nd pack that’s a them problem
Weather they want to accept it or not
fresh igloo
yeah heh
vestal canopy
They're really chill about it knowing I'm just getting back to tanking since Cata, just wanted to make sure it wasn't me being a dumbo
To pick up titanic throw btw from the default m+ build in the pins, guessing I just drop Sidearm?
fresh igloo
pain and gain or sidearm are two good flex points if you need QoL
toxic pewter
just simmed 3 targets and forgestorm is even with 447 weapon
dusky canopy
I drop pain and gain
It’s very lack luster
Most of the time you’re sitting at max hp with a fatty absorb shield
fresh igloo
yeah. both of them contribute fairly minimal benefits. I like bounding stride and titanic throw more than the small contributions of healing or minimal extra damage.
vestal canopy
Was also considering dropping Rallying Cry for intervene based on what you guys were saying in here the other day 👀
crystal mauve
Was also considering dropping Rallying Cry for intervene based on what you guys ...
I missed this, waht was said the other day about Rally vs intervene?
vestal canopy
iirc, that in M+ depending on the dungeon, some found they got more value out of intervene than Rally
crystal mauve
Only the focus in brackenhide comes to mind for intervene but even then it should be stopped rather than intervene, people won't notice and they will run away. IF they even notice there is a raging mob on them lol
dusky canopy
Maybe it’s just me but intervene has zero interest for me. No super stand out benefit too it in this round of dungeons
However
Rally
Can be used on almost every boss between a healer cd
vestal canopy
Glad I asked!
dusky canopy
Or even trash packs that do back to back party damage
vestal canopy
Well, mentioned it
crystal mauve
I use it when things starts to get triky to make sure my group has a little bit of a buffer and not get clapped by a cast or two
bosses or trash regardless. If I see some people below 30% and it seems dangerous I just send it
dusky canopy
Yeah I practically send really on cd too if it appears like it’ll be useful
sick sentinel
dusky canopy
I also save it for some specific overlaps
sick sentinel
im not gettin that stupid talsman in a reasonable time i know it
crystal mauve
Yogi what are you farming like this?
dusky canopy
He wants criagshapers tali
sick sentinel
talisman, then dps one
i got the shard for now, it could be worse. doesn't do magic i think
crystal mauve
The real question is, do you really need the talisman? What key level are you aiming at
sick sentinel
Shard is uhhh
better than some of my other curse-ed trinkets
the bubbel it gives is massive.
1/2 a million
uneven mason
I mean hey if it’s your best option of course you’ll run it
Like me last season sitting on rws until the week before 10.1 when I finally got alltotem
plush tendon
honestly.... id rather have spore pod
uneven mason
honestly.... id rather have spore pod
strong forum
Dreadplates or rocks is the 2nd best option there
Dreadplates is budget aegis
Rocks is just alright dmg
potent gulch
i feel prot loot spec
hazy bronze
Hows d4 nome?
tender carbon
With 2pc / 2pc should I run bolster + heavy repercussions until I get 4pc? Or is into the fray just generally better to crank, solely for m+, TIA!
strong forum
Bolster or HR, not both
Either or
But both combined is 250% block uptime. Just way overkill
sick sentinel
honestly, i want chromaitc or ward
from raid as prot
hold up, wtf is an aegis
i searched raid and dungeon tabs
tender carbon
Bolster or HR, not both
Thank you, appreciate it
sick sentinel
my assumption is you meant anvil or some item i duno about
hazy bronze
hold up, wtf is an aegis
Aegis of annhylde from 9.1 I'm guessing
sick sentinel
oh, i probably vendored that long time ago
solar rivet
Can I ask macro questions in here?
jagged pier
sure
sleek current
Mythic gamers at Forgotten. How many stacks are you clearing on? It absolutely claps my cheeks so don't want to be picking up any extra stacks if I can avoid it.
solar rivet
I'm trying to figure out if theres a way to macro Avatar with battle stance, but not have it remove battle stance if I already had it active
jagged pier
as the buff falls off
jagged pier
I'm trying to figure out if theres a way to macro Avatar with battle stance, but...
no i dont think so
but u should be in battle stance most of the time anyway
theres a macro for switch stance with 1 bind in the pins
near steppe
Hey guys. U still using battering ram on m+ or raid?
jagged pier
i would suggest using that
jagged pier
Hey guys. U still using battering ram on m+ or raid?
u use it in both
crystal mauve
Hey guys. U still using battering ram on m+ or raid?
Both, it's too good to ignore it
solar rivet
A stance toggle is probably the next best option then I suppose
modern brook
for mega keys forgestorm is not bis, it only wins until 4 targets
am i right that its not RPPM?
strong forum
It is
modern brook
game sucks 😠
strong forum
Yeah that's why forgestorm is less liked by me now
The swings of it are just ass
Between 1 and 9% of St dmg
chrome falcon
punish or 1/2 bloodborne for more damage in an easy key 
jagged pier
punish
chrome falcon
figured
chrome falcon
yikes
toxic pewter
upset I realized I upgraded my ashkandur to 441 before equipping the heroic version to get the mog.. feelsbadman
lusty grotto
you should have gotten it while upgrading
toxic pewter
apparently doesnt work that way if the item is still 'tradeable' within that 4 hour limit
so like i put it in to upgrade and didnt get heroic appearance
and blizzard knows about it theres an article about it and everything
lusty grotto
thats certainly odd, because i heard allthethings doing the sound effect when you loot, and then after upgrading it
even if its tradeable
it does the negative sound effect if you trade it
as in, the appearance is gone
plush tendon
I submitted a ticket 😦 for mine
its stupid
please fix Ion
or better yet... also add in if you get the full mog of a certain difficulty; you also get everything below that difficulty
dont make me steal some kids LFR tier for my TMOG
toxic pewter
For an appearance to be permanently added to your transmogrification collection any trade or refund timer must run out, or be removed (by equipping the item for example). Upgrading an item that still has a timer on it to an item level with a different appearance will remove the initial appearance from the wardrobe.
To make sure that this does not happen, remove the timer by equipping the item before upgrading it.
If you accidentally upgrade an non-soulbound item and lose the original transmog you will need to reobtain that item in order to gain the transmog via equipping the item. We cannot provide any replacement items, or wardrobe appearances due to this game function.
So be sure to equip stuff before upgrading it
toxic pewter
I submitted a ticket 😦 for mine
did they give you the appearance
plush tendon
average wait is 3 days
plush tendon
https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/338504
its fine.... Ill just have to get another one
for tmog
too bad the sword doenst work for dwarf
it clips when its on our backs
lucid pasture
revenge isnt 360
toxic pewter
yeah weapon clipping for shorter races is just awful, amazed they still doing it in 2023.. I mean thunderfury is one thing but jeeze
sick sentinel
Screaming black dragon scale or nelth trink any good for prot??
quiet minnow
Screaming black dragon scale or nelth trink any good for prot??
i ran nelth in a few keys with 30% uptime
thats for whole key time
so more like 35 or so "active" uptime, on my 444 that works out to like 650 str
with a big crit buff
seems decent
urban portal
its not that we dont have the ability to proc it
its that stat trinkets are a bit worse than damage trinkets for tanks
strong forum
dragon scale is worse than nelth call
and just because we have buttons in our rotation that are aoe, doesnt mean the trinket procs any more often than it should
procs ~twice per minute
lucid pasture
dragon scale is worse than nelth call
revenge isnt 360
strong forum
It do be like that
tired girder
I am having difficulties to optimize route from first boss to the tree mouth on BH.
Any tips? I am doing right side and pull and party told me were too much
lucid pasture
It do be like that
oh come on
proper roost
You can legit pull up to like 92-94% before treemouth and it be a normal route
you need soothe, but it's not only doable but a pretty good route
tired girder
To pull that quantity we need a lot of skip correct?
sick sentinel
So between zaquil, OCE and dargul what combo would you guys run??
proper roost
🤨
silk sandal
Is using the NL defensive trinket on zskarn a good idea for the brutal magic dot? Having a really hard time staying alive lol (meanwhile our other boss tank who is an unholy main survives going to 20 stacks 🫠)
Not quite sure what else to try to beat survive it lol. Also using a 447 vers/crit mh over forgestorm for just that tiny extra bit of stats and vers lol
Feels like my 425 ilvl paladin would be able to tank it easier 
I was also considering playing around with swapping out annulet with a 441 haste vers ring or potentially defensive annulet (but I’ll be honest and say I haven’t gotten very far on that front and have no idea what the defensive ring gems do so idk if they’ll help at all lol )
sick sentinel
ran that again, healer really struggled on basic things
i think it was an offspec healer or alt
or new, they didn't lust the first time we attempted first boss
fervent bramble
forgestorm or crafted wep for m+?
mighty valley
Is using the NL defensive trinket on zskarn a good idea for the brutal magic dot...
it's a decent bonus cooldown, how many stacks are you swapping at?
mighty valley
forgestorm or crafted wep for m+?
at high gear levels with good play crafted weapon will be better in aoe
silk sandal
it's a decent bonus cooldown, how many stacks are you swapping at?
We are just swapping once the dot falls off rather than a set number. Usually this is around 5-6 but it sometimes goes up to 9-10 when one of us is holding the boss between the dragon head ability.
The 5-6 is only because of dragging the boss across the room so he isn’t meleeing
mighty valley
yeah 9-10 feels untenable to me generally, not sure why movement would mean you can't swap?
silk sandal
No, no, during movement (with leap too) the boss stops moving to cast and stuff so I get away from him. Which means he isn’t meleeing me to give me stacks. So the other tank’s dot falls off and he taunts leaving me at 5-6
When we are positioning to bait specific traps, there isn’t any movement so the boss is constantly meleeing. So when the other tank’s stacks fall off, I will be around 9-10
uneven mason
Feels something isn't lining up
mighty valley
oh hm, with normal debuff timings i never feel i get that high
silk sandal
Hmm, really? how high does your go?
silk sandal
I do, but they were pretty messy. We weren't expecting to get rashok down as quickly as we did last raid so like all the pulls are 2.5 mins long lol.
Actually, looking at some of the better pulls, looks like we could reliably swap at 8
silk sandal
so thats 350k every 2s for the entire fight lol
lusty grotto
and unnerving
silk sandal
sick
lusty grotto
LS and spam IPs
silk sandal
i guess this is why only 30 public logs of prot warriors killing it 🙃
silk sandal
yeah ive been demo-ing defensively for awhile haha
modern gazelle
VP full run
sooo many deaths on a +7 while im trying to farm drake crests
and fury gear
lusty grotto
yeah LS and unnerving is really good there
for IP spam
it goes against everything we do but, staying alive and minimizing damage intake is important
silk sandal
I discovered that on a bunch of vault fights, i could delay the first demo a tiny bit and then that let me use it defensively and not even lose a cast (or 1 max)
yeah i mean, damage is good and all, but id rather kill the boss 😛
mighty valley
have you got a curse of weakness effect
lusty grotto
yeah so double wall and unnerving and hope for the best
if anything call for externals and/or use defensive trinkets
silk sandal
alrighty, yeah ill give it a shot
lusty grotto
like faceless ire and cragshaper
silk sandal
have you got a curse of weakness effect
yes, at least we better 🙃
do they still stack?
mighty valley
yeah check it's actually being applied, one of the few times when attack speed is a major part of damage
lusty grotto
i wouldnt stack them lol
silk sandal
I remember on raszageth they all stacked
silk sandal
yeah
lusty grotto
oh idk about it
mighty valley
they stacked on raszageth?!
silk sandal
yeah they did
multiplicatively, but still
someone noticed and posted an analysis about it a couple weeks before the end of the tier
and her melees hurt just a little bit lol so it could have been huge
lusty grotto
interesting
silk sandal
and curse of weakness is warlock, then theres a poison from rogue, and some dk ability right?
silk sandal
insidious chill is the dk one, we had that one up
mighty valley
ok, can't really miss casting that
silk sandal
yeah, thats what weakness is too
silk sandal
so then its curse of weakness from lock, numbing poison from rogue, and insidious chill from dk
lusty grotto
thunderclap used to do that too 😢
sick sentinel
do you gotta do 2 rings to 437 for the upgrade without crests to work
or whatever your targeted ilvl is
both is champion
silk sandal
Anyways, thanks a lot for the good talk! I appreciate it
Gotta be the 31st prot warrior to kill this stupid boss 👀
I was actually going to reroll to prot paladin and was going to swap in starting from zskarn but then tears of the kingdom and then diablo so that just didnt happen lol
sick sentinel
i need to get the sennath normal cloak for my fire transmog
might throw a group together for that 10.2./3
silk sandal
yeah so double wall and unnerving and hope for the best
btw, does double wall net more shield walls per fight than impenetrable wall?
lusty grotto
not really iirc
silk sandal
Its not like there is downtime to just regen charges on double wall. Impenetrable wall gives shield wall ~1min cd
lusty grotto
yeah
silk sandal
So it seems like alternating LS and SW might be enough to cover each time
I think you're right on unnerving focus for sure though. That should help LS actually be able to keep me up there
lusty grotto
right if you can manage swapping and rage consistently and theres little to no "oh shit" scenarios IW is better
mighty valley
imp wall isn't at its best if you're occasionally running around for bombs
but i'd hazard a guess that it's still more total SWs
silk sandal
Im not doing bombs
mighty valley
alrighty then
silk sandal
Yeah, thats what the 3rd tank and dps immunities are for haha
silk sandal
but yeah, even on heroic, bombs werent super easy
a bunch of stacks + physical dot + no rage generation = bad
mighty valley
they giganerfed heroic bombs, kind of a joke now
silk sandal
ah
lusty grotto
in fact id argue that unnerving can make IW better in that fight
silk sandal
the only time i did bombs in heroic was the first week when we were just yoloing it. And i just straight up died on the first set lol
lusty grotto
can do IO i guess, just in case
silk sandal
Then we threw our army of hunters and paladins at it 😛
silk sandal
idk abbout that haha
what i am wondering about though is fueled by violence vs brutal vitality
mighty valley
they nerfed bomb initial + tick damage both by 50%
silk sandal
i usually prefer bv, im just worried about the dot eating IP. So if I don't have IP up, it doesnt do anything
each IP gets a tiny bit stronger right when i hit it, but then is completely taken off
lusty grotto
VO also gives you an IP
silk sandal
sure, but im casting it way more often than vo is giving it
lusty grotto
yeah so fbv is kinda eh cause it takes away from leech and other sources of self healing
mighty valley
that node is always gonna be kinda feelycraft
silk sandal
If you're at near max hp most of the time, healing is weaker vs ip
lusty grotto
well that's what nome said a while ago
mighty valley
BruV was nerfed but I'm guessing that's increasingly offset by our rage income getting higher
lusty grotto
@strong forum thoughts?
silk sandal
for instance, my hp on a random pull
its rarely actually capped
and you can see how messy the pull was with all the deaths lol
mighty valley
imagine this with 1-2 less stacks of the dot though haha
lusty grotto
yeah idk i wouldnt touch it tbh
silk sandal
imagine this with 1-2 less stacks of the dot though haha
the stacks on this one were pretty clean for the first 2:30ish.
Was swap at 8 every time
and neither tank got a stack while the other tank didnt have the debuff
strong forum
Getting 2k extra hps surely changes anything there 
And not the potential 7k hps from extra IP
silk sandal
Gotcha, so thats the numbers then
Does that 7k account for IP being removed immediately?
silk sandal
or does that assume you have some uptime
strong forum
If your IP is being removed instantly
Literally with 0 uptime
Fbv isn't gonna do shit either
Cuz you're removed from the screen 2sec later
silk sandal
totally fair
strong forum
Anytime you're not full HP, BrV gets the same or more traction than fbv
That being said
silk sandal
yeah, like i said i didnt know what the numbers were so seeing that data BrV def is the play
strong forum
Zskarn is just a bitch
Can't get more anti warrior
That cunt is 90% unblockable magic dmg dot
mighty valley
yeah the real solution to all of this is clean up the pulls so healers can actually look at you occasionally
strong forum
It needs to
silk sandal
yeah the real solution to all of this is clean up the pulls so healers can actua...
Yeah. I also know this 100%. If its cleaner, healers can heal me more etc. Just wanted to go into the week as best prepared as i could
strong forum
On zskarn it really should be blockable
Makes no sense that that boss exists in the way it does
silk sandal
while we're at it, experiments too please lol
strong forum
Experiments you can power through way more easily than zskarn
toxic pewter
they should of made spell block work how prot pala magic/dot block works, make it even work on bleeds/ dot effects in general
crystal mauve
zskarn is one of the reason why I'm sitting and letting an alt prot pal take care of this boss on mythic lol I was comparing logs and we require on average 30-50k HPS more thank other tanks
craggy pilot
what are you supposed to do vs Rescind on the Sarkareth adds in P3? 🤔 (Heroic)
lusty grotto
take em to pools
strong forum
Yeah like, pwar is absolutely cucked vs zskarn idk why it's being allowed from blizz
mighty valley
the insult on zskarn is that the first kills got to do the broken strat lmao
crystal mauve
take em to pools
Have them stand in the pool, the heal absorb will cancel their heiling
strong forum
the insult on zskarn is that the first kills got to do the broken strat lmao
Their ID got reset after they fixed the boss
So they have to reprogress
mighty valley
oh damn
silk sandal
zskarn is one of the reason why I'm sitting and letting an alt prot pal take car...
Yeahhhh. I would have offered that but that isn't really an option that we have in our guild =/. We are sitting on 1 dk as well lol which means ads are currently.... a problem. Last I heard, they were considering finding some random mildly geared dk who doesn't mythic raid and just saying "how do you want to kill mythic zskarn?" lol
crystal mauve
oh that hurt lol
lusty grotto
what are you supposed to do vs Rescind on the Sarkareth adds in P3? 🤔 (Heroic)
here you go @craggy pilot https://www.mythictrap.com/en/aberrus/scalecommander-sarkareth
silk sandal
Their ID got reset after they fixed the boss
Huh? I am pretty sure this isn't true.
craggy pilot
so you júst have to burn through them or what?
silk sandal
Unless there was a previous broken strat
The people who cheesed it in the corner 100% did NOT get their lockout reset
mellow bridge
yea
strong forum
Didn't the bluepost literally state that
lusty grotto
yeah you just burn adds in p3
toxic pewter
yeah phase 3 just kill them/ cc
silk sandal
I have friends that cheesed it and are progging neltharion now. They have just kept extending
silk sandal
I wish 😛
strong forum
Rude awakening should they ever not extend
silk sandal
We got punished for taking a tiny bit too long 
strong forum
That boss is just pure pain
silk sandal
I don't think anyone is not extending anyways. Since the gearing system this patch is bonkers. There isn't really a reason to reclear the earlier bosses
crystal mauve
Is there a world in which they would patch zskarn and make the dot blockable with Spell block? Does anyone know if Pally can spell block it naturally&
silk sandal
Is there a world in which they would patch zskarn and make the dot blockable wit...
I would highly doubt it at this piont.
More likely they would just nerf the dot itself
toxic pewter
blizzard just needs to make spell block work like prot paladins, can block all periodic damage effects too, then we would be feeling good
strong forum
Is there a world in which they would patch zskarn and make the dot blockable wit...
They really really really should
toxic pewter
the arbitraryness of how it is now is awful
crystal mauve
I understand it's good to have different tank shine on different fights but when you only have two in the raid it feels bad to be stuck on a boss cause your tanks are not the right class
strong forum
It's the first time in a while where 1 tank is this much worse than any other in raid for a specific boss
silk sandal
Sometimes you're just a paladin and you have sac, and bop, and freedom, and spell warding, and a IMMUNITY THAT JUST WORKS ON RASHOK TANK MECHANIC, and kick+shield of the righteous, and the ability to block periodic damage with 100% block uptime
crystal mauve
It's the first time in a while where 1 tank is this much worse than any other in...
True, before you had mobility requirement (Sire Mythic comes to mind) but otherwise the rest was ok
crystal mauve
Sometimes you're just a paladin and you have sac, and bop, and freedom, and spel...
Honestly spell block is busted on Rashok anyway - If you use it on the first cast it will stay up until the 2nd, and you only need shield wall for the 3rd cast. It's not that bad
lusty grotto
gonna get giga ignored but it is what it is
hazy bronze
So they have to reprogress
my schaedenfraude boner 😩
lusty grotto
i have a trusted badge for nothing lol
crystal mauve
<https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/zskarns-burning-claws-and-forgotten-exp...
" I'm posting here as a bug" I wish it was lol
silk sandal
Honestly spell block is busted on Rashok anyway - If you use it on the first cas...
It was me on prot warrior and a prot paladin. I had the prot paladin bubble the 2nd/5th/8th set. We had 2 holy priests who each have a symbol of hope assigned during the p1s. So I just shield blocked every single one haha
lusty grotto
" I'm posting here as a bug" I wish it was lol
maybe it is, dont underestimate blizzard's idiocy
crystal mauve
It was me on prot warrior and a prot paladin. I had the prot paladin bubble the ...
Dang lucky you haha
silk sandal
I was also demo shouting each one. Then on the first combo per phase, I would spell block if I was getting hit by the magic one
And if I used spell block, call for sac on the third combo
crystal mauve
maybe it is, dont underestimate blizzard's idiocy
You clearly see logs don't make any sense, after all this time you still only have a handfull of warrior (druid seems bad too for this) clearing specific bosses while other are comletely fine
silk sandal
Well, also keep in mind many proably swapped away from prot warrior this patch
So in addition to it being weak here, its also probabbly underrepresented
lusty grotto
yeah numbers dont mean much
silk sandal
Pages and pages of paladins, but everyone is playing paladin
hazy bronze
paladin is 2 fotm to even be worth alting
strong forum
Well, also keep in mind many proably swapped away from prot warrior this patch
meanwhile 4 of my 0.1% title player friends rerolled to pwar this patch
crystal mauve
i mean in terms of how many warriors vs other tanks
Well yes and no, if you see a tank (or any class/spec for that matter) clearly less represented it's either a tuning or design problem. Either way, there is a problem. In a well balanced game you would have a similar number of each
silk sandal
Really? I thought paladin was still overwhelmingly ahead for m+ too
strong forum
nop
silk sandal
Kicks are much less important this season sure, but prot warrior struggles in a few spots in m+ too I thought
neltharus for example
crystal mauve
Kicks are much less important this season sure, but prot warrior struggles in a ...
Do we?
hazy bronze
Do I ge tto pet the ponies? 
silk sandal
Do we?
I am probably wrong haha. I fell behind paying attention anymore once tears of the kingdom and diablo4 came out =X
mighty valley
stay punished for sl s3-4
hazy bronze
stay punished for sl s3-4
this is the way
silk sandal
only 2 prot warriors in top 100 tanks though =X
strong forum
so
silk sandal
I guess I would imagine that the top ranks would be dominated by the strongest classes
hazy bronze
none of the famous streamers are playing brown class :pepega:
mighty valley
sometimes representation doesn't change just due to inertia
toxic pewter
For now
mighty valley
if you bought into hype and geared a paladin, and then it turned out you weren't a million years better but still fine, are you gonna reroll? probably not
strong forum
just because not alot of people full main pwar
doesnt mean pwar isnt strong or competetive
there are 4 different tanks on the top 20 alone
surely if 1 specific tank would be best by a large margin
it would stand out ALOT more
echo egret
437 Forgestorm or 441 Proctor's ?
strong forum
okay 3 diff tanks
lusty grotto
we've had a lot of seasons where streamers dont play warriors
silk sandal
But what does prot warrior bring to m+?
strong forum
i guess brew fell out
silk sandal
battle shout and a bunch of hard stops
lusty grotto
intervene and reflects
urban portal
437 Forgestorm or 441 Proctor's ?
make the forgestorm into 441 and use it
strong forum
But what does prot warrior bring to m+?
rally, bshout, stops, reflect, intervene, damage, pretty much immortal
echo egret
make the forgestorm into 441 and use it
Champion 8/8
strong forum
if you dont do 100k overall regularily, forgestorm will be better at 437 than the 441
toxic pewter
Whoever said we struggle in nelthaurus, like wat? lol I own neltharus
silk sandal
idk 😛
echo egret
if you dont do 100k overall regularily, forgestorm will be better at 437 than th...
I only do 100k when i pull more trash than the usual pug can handle with their kicks and stuns
silk sandal
Ill trust you guys on that then. Ill be waiting to see the resurgance of prot warrior
toxic pewter
Lol I’ve been surged
strong forum
idk if we'll see a "resurgence" or why it should matter
all im saying is
every tank is really good this season
like really good
bear will apparently pop the fuck off in 10.1.5
so we gonna see alot of those
strong forum
unpopular*
toxic pewter
These days people conflate unpopular and trash though
Or maybe it’s always been like that
strong forum
sheep mentality
lusty grotto
it is what it is
strong forum
same as radio music is popular and listened to by millions
but whenever i ask somebody, most people still hate radio music
just because something isnt popular doesnt mean its not good
toxic pewter
Heh sounds about right
Do you think if we actually kept skull banner this perception of prot warrior bringing least amount of group utility would be different
strong forum
unique group buffs are toxic and should not exist
toxic pewter
Does that include raid buffs too or you mean group ones
strong forum
all of them
theyre all toxic
we're still the only tank that brings a real raid wide/group wide defensive CD
somehow that isnt utility though
toxic pewter
Yah to be honest rally is deeply undervalued by most people
strong forum
cuz utility is only an argument made for the current perceived best class
urban portal
ofc
strong forum
remember when rsham was being called having good utility last season
and now is suddenly not the utility god anymore?
toxic pewter
Oshit you’re right lmao
strong gust
I ate it 🙂
strong forum
where did all the amazing VDH utility go that made VDH so strong in 9.0?
toxic pewter
Prot pally has had all these tools for years but they didn’t mean shit
strong forum
people are now sometimes even calling out that bear has good utility
and im just like
toxic pewter
Damn you’re right. The utility argument is a major fallacy it’s just a way to discredit tanks that aren’t deemed meta
strong forum
what
its always just some scapegoat
instead of blatantly being strong numbers wise
strong forum
numbers are a GIGANTIC factor
hpriest in late SL?
big hps and dps
rsham in late S1 df?
toxic pewter
Oh ya they were everywhere
toxic pewter
Bdk s3/4 sl
toxic pewter
Yah hpal looks insane with all this glimmer and holy shock stuff lol
strong forum
first and foremost, any class that is meta, their MAIN argument is almost exclusively, good numbers
the rest comes after that
rarely do you have a class that does obscene numbers not being brought to ultra content because of their "lack of utility"
hell fucking DEVOKER
is currently meta
purely because it does phat fucking damage
toxic pewter
Yes
urban portal
but zephyr
toxic pewter
Survival hunters back in shadowlands
toxic pewter
Grats
sick sentinel
im only getting 0.2's instead of 0.3's for increasing a gear +3ilvl
sick sentinel
pantws and chest set from s1 holdin me back, i got the pants i want
strong forum
its brought because big numbers and chaos brand
nothing else
defensively VDH gets shit on hard by other tanks
but is good now cuz number big
toxic pewter
Numbers wise is this closest tanks have ever been
sick sentinel
sick sentinel
my future pants
toxic pewter
Yah and bdk isn’t their healing somewhat based on their dps or no
strong forum
no
strong forum
their healing isnt any more based on rotation than any other tank
toxic pewter
I always feel like bdk is like a fine line or something they’re either weak or meta
strong forum
BDK was always just weak cuz they sucked offensively
theyve not been good offensively outside of SL s3/s4
in 3 full expacs
their kit in general isnt made for ultra keys
theyre the tank thats the most prone to dying to lack of mitigation in m+
besides VDH but thats another issue
the design of BDK is take big dmg, heal big dmg
which doesnt really align with ultra keys
strong forum
not anymore, but thats eventually whats gonna happen
strong forum
same as vdh
toxic pewter
Cuz no rp
strong forum
they just die if you dont open with a CD before pull
sick sentinel
If i want to change stats on crafted gear, does it have to proc again with the aspect shadow thing? Or will it just change stats
strong forum
has to proc again
sick sentinel
And i have to use a new aspect thing?
strong forum
no
the quality wont stay the same, but you wont have to use expensive mats to recraft
if you crafted with aspect crest, you wont have to reuse a crest to recraft
but its not guaranteed to stay a 5star item
toxic pewter
What tank is actually best suited for the highest keys. Like which ones can scale the higher you go
If all things equal
strong forum
just block itself
strong forum
but you cant reach those levels
where no other tank but warrior can survive mobs
game isnt built that way
toxic pewter
I see
strong forum
youll die to lack of DPS or lack of group survival first
before the actual limit of a tanks survivability is reached
this has ALWAYS been the limiting factor for world first keys
group survival, not tank survival
craggy pilot
hmm, full grp of people 2800 r.io and we cant kill the adds on 1st boss NL 🤔 what the hell
is there anything i can do as tank to make it easier?
strong forum
2.8k is just all 20s done
toxic pewter
So does that mean tank class is perhaps the least impactful of the roles
craggy pilot
feel like it just gets harder for the DPS when they agro to me in the corner 🤔
strong forum
So does that mean tank class is perhaps the least impactful of the roles
in a perfect world, very likely outside of paladin existing
rarely ever do you run into a scenario of a tank going "yeah i just cant live this" unless youre talking non-pwars in fortified freehold
toxic pewter
Wait fortified freehold is difficult for some other tanks
toxic pewter
Didn’t realize
toxic pewter
I knew we are best in there though and I feel that way too
I feel strong as hell in fh
strong forum
because we are
toxic pewter
Interesting
When it comes to tankiness rankings are we toward the top
I feel Ike our damage to tankiness ratio is really solid
strong forum
every tank has their strength and weaknessess
craggy pilot
how do the adds work exactly on 1st boss NL? does it spawn an add every 5% or something?
strong forum
timer based
strong forum
pretty sure its just timer based
craggy pilot
so if adds dont die, its DPS problem, not so much me?
craggy pilot
yea feels like sometimes you get an add like 2 seconds before the shatter
and for melee heavy grps its rly hard to kill it then
sick sentinel
one thing that would be nice in dungeron finder is you can see if the group has lust and battle rez or not
but that could be very toxic
i won't start a 15 or above keyt without a brez and lust, normalyl
toxic pewter
Anyone have the mage tower legion artifact appearance from back in day
It looks badass wish I had it
strong forum
i do
craggy pilot
jesus
built grps for 21 and 20 NL
both very high r.io grps
both failed 🙂
on 1st boss
strong forum
thats not even the hard part of the dungeon
toxic pewter
i do
Damn part of me wishes I could get it somehow lol but I don’t want to take away prestige from people that have it either
craggy pilot
thats not even the hard part of the dungeon
nah idk man
i did this on 19 with total shitters the other day
now i cant even time 20 with people on 2700 r.io
what the hell
i had healer on 420 ilvl
in 19
prisma crane
the first boss is also 100% not just timers OR %, it's something fucky and would be really nice if blizz could make it more mangeable
strong forum
Damn part of me wishes I could get it somehow lol but I don’t want to take away ...
i also wish i has unholy ashbringer, but if it was readily available it would just turn into any other weapon
look at tfury or warglaives
toxic pewter
Yes true
craggy pilot
the first boss is also 100% not just timers OR %, it's something fucky and would...
ye i heard so many different takes on it
toxic pewter
I hope they all just leave them alone
craggy pilot
this time i even tried to walk the Skitters out from under the boss, whenever he wasnt about to do Frontal
so my monk could do some DMG
prisma crane
they need to cut the hp and dmg boost from the adds by like 50% if they dont want to have set timers wrt his aoe
craggy pilot
yet he was doing less Skitter dmg than me 😦
toxic pewter
Did they make the warglaives from illidan actual warglaives or are they 1h sword still
prisma crane
i dont see why they cant just give X amount of time per add to kill it before the shatter
or at least have a blackout zone where no more adds can spawn within like 8 seconds of shatter or something
its just such an annoying fight
and it wasnt nearly as bad in legion
though would still wipe groups from time to time
the only other issue i have in that place is no clear way to know which puddles are old on the worm
and on the last boss, imo, its not intuitive at all to always have the add insta spawn on the wall and vice versa if ppl take too long to kill it
because now it's a fucking party wide NUKE if you dont do that
not that it's hard to do that, but its far from clear in the mechanics of the fight
graceful kite
i also wish i has unholy ashbringer, but if it was readily available it would ju...
well it was availiable till wod? or legion
on bmah
ive just remembered it was like 10 years ago
strong forum
was it?
graceful kite
yep
strong forum
graceful kite
I remember sniping it on ravencrest bmah
strong forum
i never knew
graceful kite
lost
toxic pewter
Is there a list of black market items or is it always changing
graceful kite
bmah is cancer
strong forum
hasnt changed since bfa
toxic pewter
Lol
graceful kite
especially server transfer meta
toxic pewter
Isn’t ah mount on there sometimes and basically costs gold cap
graceful kite
yep
toxic pewter
Is that still the case
strong forum
ye thats the newest addition to bmah
toxic pewter
What else goes for gold cap even
graceful kite
it costs gold cap for someone who snipes it for it
lots of stuff actually
sha mount
graceful kite
7
toxic pewter
Isn’t swift zulian tiger on there to
toxic pewter
i wanna know
14
graceful kite
8 actually i did a weekly thing today
hardy snow
what lvl are you guys on niffen rep
im only 18 cause i dont farm it much, just for weekly
toxic pewter
Yah I need more boulders too. I want that hat
lusty grotto
i dont farm shit and im 15
craggy pilot
they need to cut the hp and dmg boost from the adds by like 50% if they dont wan...
just failed for the 3rd time on 19 😄 2 dps not even swapping to adds
on 19 it doesnt oneshot if adds are up tho
maybe thats how i timed it on 19 the other day
but man, sometimes we get add RIGHT when he starts the Shatter cast
so it has to die in 3 seconds or less
or we wipe on 20-21
like wtf is that shit
cinder nova
DPS in the 20s are so fucking entitled.
craggy pilot
i did NL 21 20 19
cinder nova
Dropped a 22 ULD because the fire mage did less than 200K to the totem because it'd look bad on a meter.
craggy pilot
all 3 failed on 1st boss because DPS cant swap to add 🙂
lusty grotto
jesus
cinder nova
Not to mention I was top totem damage anyway, at least the other two DPS were like within 30K but holy shit
Are you kidding me?
craggy pilot
how are "swap to add" bosses to hard for people 😄
lusty grotto
just bacon them
warm plinth
idk, Rokmora isn't even a swap to adds boss. It's a kill adds and cleave the boss.
lusty grotto
😄
cinder nova
Because smoothbrain morons give a fuck more about how they look on a meter than getting io
warm plinth
It's like Cragmaw. Damage to the boss doesn't matter; your damage is going to suck. That's okay. Squish the goddamn ticks.
cinder nova
Not wasting another 25 minutes with a gaggle of clowns that can't figure out something as easy as Bromach.
craggy pilot
idk, Rokmora isn't even a swap to adds boss. It's a kill adds and cleave the bo...
but that also requires swapping tho 😄
lusty grotto
the amount of people that cannot press a kick on the dumb add so he gets fucked by the totem
cinder nova
It evaporates.
craggy pilot
like just had a grp with 1 guy doing the same dmg to adds as the 2 other combined 🙂
lusty grotto
also irritates me
warm plinth
A lot of melee complain about "I can't reach the adds because they're on the tank"
Like bro he does the frontal like 4 times a fight
cinder nova
I'm just so utterly confused why DPS think it isn't their job to handle a mechanic that will almost certainly kill the group
warm plinth
Just fucking come over here and killi t
craggy pilot
mighty valley
to be fair even if the fire mage hard swapped to the totem it wouldn't even look that different unless they had CDs available
craggy pilot
hunter doing same dmg as the tank on adds in 1st boss NL 🙂
mighty valley
not a very good spec at hard swapping
cinder nova
Better than 200K
They can do a lot more than 200K
Don't even try to bullshit me.
And there were two deaths because we didn't land it before the AOE.
craggy pilot
A lot of melee complain about "I can't reach the adds because they're on the tan...
i was moving adds to the melee
and tthen i go away before frontal
lusty grotto
to be fairrrr
craggy pilot
Uldaman Bromach on 22?