hmm, do i pop the festering splinter 🤔
#protection
craggy pilot
uneven mason
You got it
kind urchin
So, I did a Nelths Lair the other day and one of the dps was complaining about where I tanked the adds for Rokmora. He said the boss positioning was fine but the add positioning was bad. Is there some kind of special trick to get the adds in a certain spot that I don't know about or was he just complaining to complain?
uneven mason
The DPS should try their best to aggro the adds off of you
but also I think you can avoid his frontal smash
so
proper roost
kinda impossible to tell without seeing how you do the fight, but 99% of tanks do rokmora terribly
so probably you are doing something wrong but their solution is also wrong
uneven mason
Like if I'm fury in there, I taunt the adds out
uneven mason
because if they're in his cone, you die
well, the DPS dies
and then the tank is left to solo the boss
proper roost
if you have a mdps with a brain, they should be dancing in and out of melee range of you
uneven mason
slowly
proper roost
I mean no
if anyone gets hit by shards its their fault period
Taking ground tick on tyr is always better than taking shards
and the optimal melee dps position on that boss is in front
like 90% of the time
but tanks also rarely use the fact that you can move deep into his hitbox and have the boss not move
toxic pewter
I’ve always tried to taunt/heroic throw the adds myself works just fine if dps position themselves well and I don’t face boss at group
proper roost
threating adds is good, dropping add pools closer to the wall (which is where the tank is in the first place) is far better than dropping them in the mid (which is probably where most melee are)
- if you threat the adds as a tank you can greed pools by dropping them onto where another pool already was
rokmora tanking exposes that 99% of tanks don't realize what their real job is with regards to positioning
to make boss positioning better for DPS
so you can kill the boss faster
You shouldn't be watching your own feet on rokmora you should be watching where the melee dps have room to dps, it's extremely easy to dodge your ground shit
(also true on the vast majority of bossfights like zskarn for instance, rokmora is just extra this)
sick sentinel
how to get more barter boulder pre rep 20
proper roost
I think before 20 you can only get them out of the zaqali area from the ground lootable items, weekly lockout
and the 2 weekly quests in valdrakken and maybe digs
proper roost
don't think so no, but if you just do the researchers weekly you'll be renown capped in like 2-3 weeks
from now
think my warrior is at like 17 or 18 and i've barely done anything in zaralek except for week 1 before m+/raids were out
sick sentinel
i got this for reps
kind urchin
I tank him up against the wall and move towards the exit as the adds die and drop puddles.
karmic stream
guys a quick question, why on most guides prot warrior talent : Bloodborne" is not taken? It seems like it adds great value to overall damage?
warm girder
So this is what I do:
- First skill he throws at you is sunder. So I pre-cast SR about 1-2s after he jumps to mid. Have to feel it out.
- Then he starts doing his other abilities. If you pre-cast correctly, you will have SR up just before another sunder
- There's one sunder in P1 you can't SR due to CD. Just have high IP or use SW.
- After intermission he will sunder right away - pre-cast accordingly.
- Will eat one in between again but SR next once it's off CD. Depending on DPS he'll be deadge soon anyway.
Tl;dr you can't SR every sunder but you can SR on CD if timed correctly.
karmic stream
it adds 1.5% damage
oh alr thanks man
edgy cradle
craggy pilot
So this is what I do:
1. First skill he throws at you is sunder. So I pre-cast S...
it feels like every 2nd Sunder is gone because of Spell Queue
he casts the Hand cage thing instead
but idk if its like that every time
warm girder
it feels like every 2nd Sunder is gone because of Spell Queue
It's not gone - it's just somewhere else 😉
Basically, it was something like if he has two things coming off CD he doesn't sunder, otherwise he does. Wasn't exact sciences but kinda like that.
Haven't done the fight for a few days but I know that my rotation above works for me to reflect on CD.
craggy pilot
It's not gone - it's just somewhere else 😉
Basically, it was something like if...
yea i feel the 2nd Sunder is RLY close to being Reflectable, so ill try the pre-SR you said, thx bro
warm girder
Just do the fight a couple of times and you'll get the feeling for it. Just pre-cast every phase as I mentioned above, the rest should come naturally as you go.
ashen sigil
Newbie question - why for M+ the Heroic Throw talents (Improved or Titanic) are considered bad? Isn't it useful to keep aggro on some mob in the distance, if you can't get it into the main puck?
dusky canopy
I swapped pain and gain for titanic throw
using the pinned M+ build
pretty much open with titanic throw every pull before i charge in
sick sentinel
i fee like heroic throw is reserved for range only secenario, non emergency taunt prodecures
not as good as taunt, and has travel time, and isn't garunteed to get/hold aggro, but it can do the job in a pinch
ashen sigil
Got it, thanks. I was tanking before on a DK, and the lack of Death Grip makes me wish we still had that old glyph for silencing mobs via heroic throw =-)
sick sentinel
grip = / = charge
ashen sigil
yeah, it's just with charge you move the pack, forcing the melees to relocate
if there are two caster mobs, you need to charge one, interrupt it and jump to another, and if there are three of them, you can't group them all together
sick sentinel
you'll get it down in no time at all if you can play a dk
fresh igloo
It's not that they are bad, it's just not max dps. If you need to move some points around for quality of life, do that.
ashen sigil
It's not that they are bad, it's just not max dps. If you need to move some poin...
In the WoWhead guide they are marked as "actively bad" rather than QOL
fresh igloo
Iirc pain and gain and sidearm are two talents that are relatively painless to drop for something that you like
ashen sigil
got it, thanks =-)
fresh igloo
Wowhead guide writer isnt in here iirc
Personally I love titanic throw and bounding stride this season
sick sentinel
i even tried out the pummel talent on the same node, but i wasn't good enough to keep it running enough and then using the debuff to eqaulize
fresh igloo
That talent is actively bad iirc lol
ashen sigil
Wowhead guide writer isnt in here iirc
Which guide would you recommend instead?
fresh igloo
Which guide would you recommend instead?
That one and icy veins are both OK to get started, but once you are past the basics the pins here tend to be the most refined and up to date advice.
Then if you have more specific questions just ask
ashen sigil
I need the basics, that's why I ask for a guide =-)
fresh igloo
Yeah, so both of them should be fine, just take everything you read with a grain of salt.
ashen sigil
Then if you have more specific questions just ask
Yeah, how do I move the pack when gathering ranged mobs? Is my assumption (charge to caster, pummel, jump to another, if there is a third one, throw your weapon and pray) correct?
fresh igloo
quality of life talents do often get ignored in guides. Just something to be aware of.
fresh igloo
Yeah, how do I move the pack when gathering ranged mobs? Is my assumption (charg...
If you want to move a ranged caster interrupts are the answer, yes. Your party can help with that assuming you've put threat on things.
Heroic throw/titanic throw generates a lot of threat so if you're not near a mob weaving that in helps.
ashen sigil
Got it, thank you =-)
graceful kite
Yeah, how do I move the pack when gathering ranged mobs? Is my assumption (charg...
interrupt one move to the other or los
fresh igloo
With bosses like bromach in uldaman this season, titanic throw can be very useful
Yeah, if there's a good corner, hump it until everything comes to you heh
ashen sigil
Thank you) Another question - should I track Ignore Pain to prevent myself from overcapping, or is it not useful?
graceful kite
you can track it but you wont overcap it realistically
sick sentinel
graceful kite
use enemy spell cds weakaura
sick sentinel
i have a think going on here
do you believe if the LFG looked like this by default that you can see peoples class in the group, that it would lead to more problems, or less
sick sentinel
because if i see DH DH rogue priest, i'd know to skip cuz theres no BR and no lust
thats the negative angle to what im saying
graceful kite
should i use spellblock in halls?
you can, but why?
graceful kite
you can reflect her shock
toxic pewter
punish is really good, definitely would not drop it
fresh igloo
Thank you) Another question - should I track Ignore Pain to prevent myself from ...
More important to use IP to not overcap rage than it is to know specifically how much IP you have going. Maintain shield block first, IP is not something you should try to keep up all the time.
warm plinth
Overcapping Ignore Pain doesn't matter in the slightest.
sullen gust
Quick question for anyone with 4set, does our violent outburst proc with the AOE shield Slam or does it count as a seperate ability?
stuck wraith
small, most likely dumb question, is there ever a reason to use Whrilwind as prot?
i'm pretty sure reven is better unless you need to hit behind your self for some reason.
jagged gust
i think that's exactly the downside of it, if you're ever in a situation where you need to hit behind you, you're not blocking that mob
fresh igloo
You can pretty much take WW and slam off your bars. Use shield slam, thunder clap, and revenge rotationally.
thin silo
Quick question for anyone with 4set, does our violent outburst proc with the AOE...
4pc doesn't give an AoE Shield Slam, it's a separate damage event
sick sentinel
okay, i did manage to get the cloak
so.... i gotta figure out rest of dungeosns i want to run for gear, done with VP now
waxen vale
u prob need to get ur own 20
craggy pilot
yea was my plan
toxic pewter
gotta time all those untimed ones, people dont want to inv people that dont time keys
waxen vale
and it will make u look bad
craggy pilot
then i did my +19 NEltharus with guild (on 18) and now its 17 :<
craggy pilot
gotta time all those untimed ones, people dont want to inv people that dont time...
i have them timed on 18
untimed 19
waxen vale
unfortunately nooby DPS hosting groups dont see it this way, but u literally can't fk up VP as a tank
toxic pewter
ya but you said you wanna get into 20s
no one inv people to 20 if they didnt time 19 generally
waxen vale
its always DPS dying on bosses
craggy pilot
ya but you said you wanna get into 20s
i could go the slow route and get everything on 19+
craggy pilot
i guess i could just try to +++ my 17 BH
toxic pewter
yah get everything timed on 19, then you will get inv to 20s
waxen vale
or just find one key u really like, learn it inside and out and make sure u are able to do it really well
craggy pilot
i dont think i ever lost a run due to my mistakes
toxic pewter
its just human nature, people see gray and they dont inv
craggy pilot
it always dps chain dying or healer not keeping up
waxen vale
well sadly pugs are full of nubs also, which is why prot pal is S
whatever utility u can use as a prot warr is crucial
like perfect rally uses
craggy pilot
yea we have only Intervene
waxen vale
mabe run intervene (I never have but i can see uses)
i've even thought of using the ward from Neltharion
to save ppl
i been struggling with the same thing just timed my first 20 on prot warr today
but it helps i have a 2700 main prot paldin peopl see
still got denied a ton
waxen vale
thres def a "hes a warrior so no" aspect
craggy pilot
even if i have higher score on my main (warr) it shows my S1 score on Paladin 🤔
toxic pewter
I will say I have felt this way myself, but try not to be discouraged, in the end we are still getting invites
craggy pilot
I will say I have felt this way myself, but try not to be discouraged, in the en...
you get invites?
toxic pewter
ya I do
craggy pilot
my guildmate Paladin got invite to +20 Underrot with everything timed on 18 😄
like wtf
toxic pewter
A lot of it is the timing of keys, if you clean up all your keys and show them all timed you will see invites come a lot easier
waxen vale
damn
waxen vale
tbh the easiest dungeons for most are the hardest for me
UR and FH especially
my lowest timed is UR
craggy pilot
fk it ill just push my own then
waxen vale
and I even played BFA
craggy pilot
just hate this waiting for healer
usually takes 20 minutes to get a healer for a key
craggy pilot
idk i dont even get invited to 19s 😄
waxen vale
mother fucker. I just missed timing a halls 20 by 7 second
and realized why
i had defensive stance on all dungeon
craggy pilot
i had defensive stance on all dungeon
get a WA for that lol
i have shaking Def icon showing when im in DStance
waxen vale
gotta change those keybind
TBF we wouldnt have killed multiple bosses tho
if i hadnt had that on
and even last pack b4 3rd
thats a bch for us innit
craggy pilot
what? you dont survive bosses in Halls?
didnt feel very dangerous on my +19 an hour ago
craggy pilot
only 3rd boss ye, but thats before i knew i can reflect it 😄
craggy pilot
ye i did same in mine
waxen vale
i just used it on CD
craggy pilot
when do u reflect
the frost Shock
craggy pilot
i dont think its cast
waxen vale
ig i did reflect it though
craggy pilot
waxen vale
looking at log
734k
ok so its after frost cyclone
prob should be more than 734
if i did it right
craggy pilot
im just trying to keep an eye out for it for next time im in Halls
i had Festering Splinter on for 19 Halls
waxen vale
i would just plan to use after cyclone
craggy pilot
no its instant
nocturne spindle
oh snap
craggy pilot
i didnt even know she had a tank target spell
just until today i thought it wasnt a tank target 😄
i thought it was on random haha
wait it might be random
i rly dont know lol
the Adventure Guide is not very helpful
waxen vale
u guys see any chance we will get another buff
since we are still bottom of the barrrel
even our DPS isnt stellar
i figured that buff would put us in 1st for that but na
modern brook
i heard everyone except you was getting a buff
waxen vale
haha
toxic pewter
I don't think I am bottom of the barrel
waxen vale
fair
toxic pewter
I am badass
waxen vale
well maybe DK
craggy pilot
if youre bottom youre doing something wrong
waxen vale
i feel pretty badass but i also feel majore limitations
waxen vale
well ive looked at all the top logs
toxic pewter
Nah, these 'limitations' are all in your head
modern brook
idg the concept of going from top 2 damage dealing tank- >damage nerf to bottom ->compestory buff to the same number putting us... at the bottom again.
waxen vale
even prot pal i think
modern brook
the numbers dont add up
waxen vale
i just looked at some top tank logs for 20s and saw like bear at 100k, VDH at 95, prot pal at 89 and us at 85
brew also at like 93
i think
which seems a little BS but ig maybe u have to factor in shout 5%
modern brook
smh
couldnt possibly be dungeon, routing, comp, player skill, toon gear, etc etc etc
people have had 5 whole days to gear their prot wars they havent played
waxen vale
well looking at the top logs from each spec but thats fair
buffs prob hasnt played out yet
i def feel like we are sleeper better than ppl think
still looking at the top prot warrior IOs who have been maining
waxen vale
they haven't done anything extraordinary since buffs
nocturne spindle
just had a reflectible tank buster to one mob in every pack ez
graceful kite
since we are still bottom of the barrrel
wdym
we're fine
if there's no bdk around ur not at the bottom
toxic pewter
honestly those numbers at the very top are what they are, don't really affect the majority of players
its sort of a fallacy, I would recommend not to fall into the trap
instead focus on the positives and what we bring. We are valuable to any group. We are very powerful and great
lucid pasture
revenge isnt 360
hasty quest
Guys which is the best defensive trinket for prot?
graceful kite
Guys which is the best defensive trinket for prot?
pins
hasty quest
i see, thanks @graceful kite , but on subcreation no one is running talisman in example, so i try to better understand
toxic pewter
he said the s word
graceful kite
cuz why use defensive trinkets until cutting edge pushing
jagged pier
its bad
graceful kite
or at all...
jagged pier
tells u nothing
graceful kite
it tells you whats popular
waxen vale
tbf i only have anvil for offenzsive
champion
bbut i think talisman is great pushing
graceful kite
you dont need def trinkets for 20s
waxen vale
also helps ur healer a lot which tbh is the most important thing rn
hasty quest
noone offens
graceful kite
I had literally zero problems doing 20s since week 1 in 418? gear
well except for chompy boys in uldaman those suck
graceful kite
we take minimal damage with shield block and cycling cds
last stand gives you dps now so you press it all the time, demo shout gives you dps so you press it all the time
shield wall is like 1 min cd
waxen vale
the way im looking at this week is if i'm not at full health its a problem because my healer will heal me
and the DPS will die
so i basically am just at full health all the time
i make sure of it
if ur pugging 20s with 2500 people
ull understand that lol
ur def right we shuldnt need a defensive trink tho
but i'm just trying to give the healer the least chance to fail as possible
that seems to be the real check
graceful kite
warrior has good sustain now tho
with indomitable and vrush
not dk soloing the dungeon sustain but its more that enough
waxen vale
yea we are def in a better sustsain place than the lst time i played prot warr
but i think we take more dam
graceful kite
Warrior was in a better state only in bfa I think where you just didnt take ANY damage
graceful kite
We're not bottom, we're fine and we're insane in dungeons with good reflects
strong forum
Warrior was in a better state only in bfa I think where you just didnt take ANY ...
we're arguably stronger currently
graceful kite
I agree
strong forum
the only thing thats different is that other tanks are just also good
dusky canopy
33% here
strong forum
we're not the only tank that can do 100k dps
strong forum
in bfa every other tank didnt even get close to our dps
thats the biggest difference
waxen vale
im at 37, but i dropped to 29 haste to get there
dusky canopy
thats fine
waxen vale
yea cuz
graceful kite
waxen vale
buffed im at like 43 haste still
strong forum
in my m+ gear im at like 41 crit
graceful kite
my gear sucks tho
waxen vale
is iridiscent fragment good i wonder
strong forum
terrible
jagged pier
no
dusky canopy
negative
strong forum
we lose the trinket in literally 6 seconds
waxen vale
lol makes sense
strong forum
and lose 50% of its effectiveness in like 3
toxic pewter
does doing Legion order hall questline give us anything cool
dusky canopy
mog
waxen vale
yo are u guys still using Razageth trink? Sims highest on bloodmallet
lmao
i just saw
waxen vale
devout crypt
So right now I have my stances on two separate keybinds using two separate action slots on my hotbar. Is there a way to combine these into one button that just toggles between battle stance and defensive stance?
jagged pier
number 2 thats not raz trinket
fresh igloo
So right now I have my stances on two separate keybinds using two separate actio...
yes. macro in pins.
devout crypt
Ty
toxic pewter
boon just too annoying to use plus dont like using old stuff anyway
waxen vale
ah i never had it. beacon is pretty annoying too
mighty valley
1.5s cast vs being locked in place for 8 seconds... hmmmmmm
warm plinth
@jagged pier just want you to know you cute af
ionic fern
Hi, ily.
warm plinth
Are you having a good day
warm plinth
Same. And I have a long day ahead. Covering for my co-worker's PTO
lusty grotto
ionic fern
Same. And I have a long day ahead. Covering for my co-worker's PTO
Hope it goes well. 🙂
warm plinth
I'm going to pretend I'm sleeping the whole time
pallid quiver
don't worry, ghash, i'll cover for you
warm plinth
thanks man
waxen vale
skycapn crags pistol shots just flattening dps on a 20? Is this a healer problem?
cant say ive ever wipedo n that boss before in all my years
lusty grotto
they have to play defensively
stage 1 is just a shitshow, its why you hold lust for that phase instead of the big triple at the start on tyrannical
crude notch
cant say ive ever wipedo n that boss before in all my years
Then you certainly hadn't played that boss on a high enough key level.
waxen vale
stage 1 is just a shitshow, its why you hold lust for that phase instead of the ...
u mean lust pull of skycaptain?
i think we di
lusty grotto
you lust kragg
waxen vale
did*
lusty grotto
not the trash
lusty grotto
yeah thats the call on tyrannical
waxen vale
dps dropping to pistol shot
lusty grotto
oh idk, they should be spread out around him, shot isn't that frequent
waxen vale
the evoker heal was really low IO
lusty grotto
real danger is phase 1 shots
waxen vale
yea thats what was rekking us
crude notch
You're not exactly giving us the full picture here so all we can do is speculate
waxen vale
i guess we were double warrior tho so we could have rallied
lusty grotto
you can intervene if youre fast enough
waxen vale
full picture is just dps randomly dying in p1
so i looked into it and it's pistol shot
lusty grotto
target of target intervene macro
waxen vale
yup thanks
lusty grotto
they shouldn't get 1 shot
dusky canopy
pistol shot!? go to rogue disc
lusty grotto
if they are getting 1 shot, its on them and their gear
dusky canopy
fresh igloo
positioning is important so that only one person gets hit at a time
waxen vale
*word of glory
lusty grotto
oh what
waxen vale
jokin
crude notch
He's been this way ever since he's been in here
fresh igloo
healer does need to heal the one that gets hit pretty fast, and dispel iirc
lusty grotto
like usually melees are on the bosses flank
and 2 ranged right behind him or vice versa
but again
there's 2 different shots
p2 shots aren't that bad
azerite powder shots are the p2 shots
pistol shots are the p1 shots
waxen vale
what i'm getting is that intervene is basically our choice, but seems like there are some dungeons where its necessary especially without a lot of coordination or skill?
i have never used it since it was baseline
jagged pier
theres no dungeon where its necessary
waxen vale
i just stun the fixates
jagged pier
theres only dungoens where it helps
lusty grotto
it just helps
eudora powder shots can also be intervened
but yes the fixates in FH can be controllled with cc
waxen vale
yea i think intervene is overkill for fixates genreally
lusty grotto
it just helps when there's DR and/or raging
warm plinth
people finding out the real hard part of Kragg I see
lusty grotto
UR fixates from bloodswarmers...
warm plinth
Bloodswarmers and scrappers both hit like a mack truck
lusty grotto
brackenhide fixates, and marked from first boss
strong forum
lusty grotto
since im not running with a full group i always pick intervene for those 3
sick sentinel
i need so many crests
warm plinth
I did a 19 freehold and got myself comboed
was at like 70% HP from previous pull and didn't get holy power beforehand so I literally took an unmitigated melee and pistol shot
and insta died
sick sentinel
need i think 12 of the ones im working with
lusty grotto
lol
waxen vale
was at like 70% HP from previous pull and didn't get holy power beforehand so I ...
as ret?
lusty grotto
those are just fucking funny
warm plinth
I'm usually quite good about not doing that but idk, brain fart lol
waxen vale
i might bully u for that one haha
warm plinth
I pull freehold like an absolute degen
warm plinth
Even Nome would be proud
lusty grotto
titanic throw pulled FH like a degen last night
waxen vale
anyway i prob play warr the same way u ply pal
lusty grotto
it wasnt me, it was titanic throw
warm plinth
lusty grotto
the only thing i dont like to combo is fucking harpooners and crushers
but titanic throw does its thing
warm plinth
After bridge I do the pack on the right, both rat packs, and the trash in 2nd boss room all at once
lusty grotto
yeah thats a good one, except i get worried when im running ill lose agro
waxen vale
u use that talent?
lusty grotto
its probably better to do down there anyway because people cant sea spout on that fucking corner
warm plinth
Yeah that's one of the reasons I started doing it
Bigger pull + more room to dodge traps/sea spout
lusty grotto
its good for snap agro sure
lusty grotto
but i really shouldn't run it in FH
waxen vale
how big is the radius
warm plinth
Only thing you probably should actively avoid is honed reflexes. Other than that, go nuts
It's quite large because it acts more like a chain ability
waxen vale
also flex point is sidearm i assume
lusty grotto
its fucking stupid and will pull some random shit that you didnt want if you dont use it correctly
waxen vale
so it's kind of like avenger shield in mechanic
warm plinth
Like if you did Temple last patch, you could titanic throw the far right mob in the last trash packa and it would hit all of them
pack*
waxen vale
yea sounds to me like u should wait until mobs are in range
andj ust use to cement aggro
not pull with it
warm plinth
at least it doesn't hit CCed mobs anymore
waxen vale
lmao
warm plinth
that's nice
lusty grotto
titanic throw does what titanic throw wants
waxen vale
sounds risky i like it
anyone do the trash pull onto harlan to kill with bombs
i assume u kill the connected pack before boss then pulli nthe side pack when bombs come
lusty grotto
yeah
waxen vale
but i havent seen it done
lusty grotto
safer if you kill the caster first though
and if youre on the ball with reflects for oiled blade
waxen vale
is it like i said tho, kill connected pack first, then pull in side pack for the bombs?
lusty grotto
connected pack
hmm
ive done the pack right in front of harlan
idk what youre talking about
i never pull the far right pack
waxen vale
i sometimes do the far right pack with harlan pack
lusty grotto
crude notch
Yes.
lusty grotto
i dont trust people with an oarsman on harlan lmao
crude notch
Definitely make sure you bomb this week, nothing could go wrong. 🙂
lusty grotto
lol
waxen vale
i mean the bombs leave fire so sanguine would just be on fire anyway i assume
i think a move could be kill connected pack, then imprison the oarsman on far right pack and pull in for bombs with boss
connected pack before boss
lusty grotto
what is the "connected" pack
waxen vale
the pack in front of harlan. in BFA we didnt have to do it, now its connected to him
lusty grotto
you can solo pull any of these packs
thats because you did harlan on the scaffolding
waxen vale
yea
we used to do. that haha
good times
but i found out the hard way hes tied to them now
first time i ran it this season
warm plinth
You don't have to do that pack but yeah, you generally do it this season
It will pull with the boss but you can cheese it like you did with the minibosses in front of the last boss of NO
waxen vale
well i pulled harlan to sacaffold and the pack ran to boss
so im pretty sure it's tied to him
warm plinth
By having someone with a combat drop pull it, then you pull boss, then they vanish/feign/whatever
warm plinth
But yeah the idea is that you have to do that pack now, which is kinda unfortunate
It is an easier pack now than it was in BFA though tbf
waxen vale
i still dont understand how that works XD
warm plinth
Well it's not worth it now
You just kick it
It was worth it in BFA because it would basically kill the mobs for you
But it only does 8% of their max HP over 8 seconds now
fresh igloo
yeah it does signicantly less damage to the mobs now, and damage buff hurts us more too i think
warm plinth
Yeah like letting it go off in the last pack w/ the enforcer there is sketch af
50% buffed shattering bellow monka
waxen vale
oh ok
yea i remember u werent supposed to kick now peopole do so i was still figuring it out thanks
crude notch
Well you still do it you just soothe it off the enforcer.
lusty grotto
we still dont kick it, unless its going off with below
crude notch
If you're kicking 200k dps idk what to tell ya.
warm plinth
I don't go out of my way to kick it in the first pull on the island because none of that does shit anyway but I kick it on the last pull because enforcer
crude notch
This is how to pull that pack off to the side though. 
https://clips.twitch.tv/SarcasticObeseGorillaFutureMan-QPxj6KyKVY7SXzQ_
compact forum
lmao
warm plinth
I felt like a professional tank this week; I pulled like 2 packs of trash on to raoul and he didn't take a single tick of sanguine
waxen vale
This is how to pull that pack off to the side though. <a:keksquad:76669059863504...
why have i only heard this audio but not seen clip XD
thanks
warm plinth
parse?
sick sentinel
This is how to pull that pack off to the side though. <a:keksquad:76669059863504...
this is why i don't play sanguine
crude notch
hmm... do I do normal and heroic full clear on my paladin tonight. 🤔
sick sentinel
current goal is just hit ilvl 430
waxen vale
has anyone noticed how much we own in duels atm
i am undefeated in like 10 duels
hardest was demo lock, one surv hunter took a while, but cnat say any were super rough
i dont even really pvp
crude notch
pretty sure neither do the random ass people your'e dueling
waxen vale
theyre challenging me lol
warm plinth
I don't even think a lot of the like...pvp effects are active in duels
Like I can legit 1-shot a DPS with beacon in a duel
waxen vale
i tried that it seemd giga nerfd
warm plinth
Maybe it has to be the first hit or something
warm plinth
true
warm plinth
Mine was in Brackenhide
waxen vale
it seems like they may have hotfixed it so ur cast gets cancelled if ur getting meleed a lot
cuz i am getting interrupted casting it in keys sudenly
sick sentinel
its like s.a.v.i.o.u.r.
that thing has a long ass cast too, so, its pretty bad for me to use as a tank :S
twin bramble
Should I put haste/crit or haste/vers on my shadow flame armor patch crafted belt/shield?
graceful kite
haste crit all the way
twin bramble
Thanks. Should I be prioritizing crit over vers across the board then?
graceful kite
yes
twin bramble
Thanks!
graceful kite
vers sucks haste and crit rule
icy atlas
What Aberrus bosses do yall play Spell Block for?
graceful kite
you can play it on sark
warm plinth
Vers doesn't suck
graceful kite
if you can choose crit or haste you choose em over vers
icy atlas
you can play it on sark
So it works on the tank buster dots?
graceful kite
yep
icy atlas
cool
sick sentinel
graceful kite
I didnt play it but im only doing hc
novel cloak
possible to drop bloodsurge for 1 point in bloodborne in m+?
graceful kite
bloodborne sucks
warm plinth
Vers and crit are approximately equal for survival. Vers and crit are both better than haste for DPS.
orchid pewter
Hey guys short question. Is the Cloak from Endboss worth to prot warri?
icy atlas
Which sucks cuz I got it yesterday
graceful kite
its not bad
its just not great like it is for dps
sim it
for me its a 600 dps increase so not great but fine
icy atlas
Also someone here said that in M+ it only procs like 2-5 times because it relies on your team taking damage
graceful kite
oh thats true its not good for m+ iirc
sick sentinel
decided to make a few of those bots just in case, got 21 in total now, used 2, both times didn't work as planned
warm plinth
Also someone here said that in M+ it only procs like 2-5 times because it relies...
Yes, that's correct
orchid pewter
Okay so in Raid Boss fights its procs one time probably? or often in dmg incoming phase?
sorry for the stupid question
i try to gather some information
warm plinth
It's only ~5ppm and you need 10 stacks to proc it, so at minimum it's ~2 minutes apart
So if you have a 3 1/2-4 min boss kill, you're probably only getting 1 or 2 procs I'd imagine
atomic inlet
so i got a question
in raid st
for biger dps
more shield slam or more reveng to get vilot out burst?
orchid pewter
So if you have a 3 1/2-4 min boss kill, you're probably only getting 1 or 2 proc...
So its the same thing for DDs but there gain from stats a higher
warm plinth
SS>TC>Revenge
atomic inlet
what was tc?
warm plinth
Well they have a higher chance to proc it when the ICD isn't active because there's always a tank taking damage
Thunder Clap
warm plinth
TC is more damage than Revenge. And it gives rage.
orchid pewter
Well they have a higher chance to proc it when the ICD isn't active because ther...
allright than it was not that gain.
to give it a prot warri
warm plinth
Nope
tame coyote
in BH last boss, do u guys know what can trigger 1 of those packs to get aggro doing boss fight? When it happened the first time I was like, ok maybe someone tagged them by mistake but it's happening quite frequently that i'm being forced to change my route and basically clear the whole room
toxic pewter
basically people getting to close to them
or a stray ability hitting them
people just need to be cognicent that they are there
tame coyote
jeez now i'm pissed, cause that ripped a 20 key 😦
toxic pewter
yeah I mean you can also just clear them before boss if it keeps happening
even where you tank the boss can have repurcussions to if people pull them also
like if you bring a bit too close to that edge
tame coyote
i cleared 2 packs and was like this should be safe right... then 1 came running from over the "mountain" lol
toxic pewter
next thing you know dps pull em
warm plinth
The one on the right is guaranteed the one I'd make sure to pull. It's the most likely to get pulled
warm plinth
versatility or critical, wich is better ?
Approximately equal for survival, sim it for DPS
warm plinth
👍
tame coyote
The one on the right is guaranteed the one I'd make sure to pull. It's the most...
yeah that is in my route, and recently being doing mid as well
oh well, so from here on now I guess clear the whole room for saefty will be standard
warm plinth
ngl I'm not sure how you even pull any of the other trash unless you left a patrol alive that happens to go near there. I always kill the middle one and the warscourge patrol and then the pack on the right
sick sentinel
the spikes from the ground final boss of lair, those destroy the walls?
crude notch
Generally speaking when pugging keys if something "keeps happening" being stubborn isn't the solution, making a change to make sure it doesn't "keep happening" is usually the best solution.
tame coyote
1, I pull always. The weird part is that 2 sometimes happens to join in during boss. But yeah as @crude notch said, since it happened a couple of time I'll just start clearing em for saefty
warm plinth
Yeah I have no idea how anyone is pulling 2 during the boss
I never pull that and I've never had it pulled. Very strange.
tame coyote
the spikes from the ground final boss of lair, those destroy the walls?
yes, and the add always spawns on the right side of the boss. So ur grp can bait the spike to the right hand side of the boss and ad insta spawns on them
warm plinth
the spikes from the ground final boss of lair, those destroy the walls?
Yes, landslide destroys the walls
warm plinth
The add does not have an aggro table
sick sentinel
and i know it also breaks a wall
warm plinth
He fixates people
warm plinth
People should drop spikes close to the boss so that at most the charskin only has to walk a few steps
to get stunned
sick sentinel
well, when he spawns in, his aggro bar for his HP is red, and if i do a taunt or heroic throw, it turns green for i have aggro (plater)
warm plinth
Yeah it doesn't matter though
sick sentinel
and i understand the fixate
warm plinth
He's going to fixate someone
You literally do not have to touch him other than to help kill him if you're close enough
sick sentinel
i just don't understand why he has ANY aggro thingy if hes a non agro dude
cant be taunt
warm plinth
idk but it's not worth concerning yourself about
sick sentinel
1, I pull always. The weird part is that 2 sometimes happens to join in during b...
Is there a place where all these@pull guides are
tame coyote
u can ignore plater on the add, the important thing is that you always point landslide away from spikes and charge back insta to avoid the boss or add from moving as much as possible as the aoe slaps. If u can cleave the add that's great but don't stress about it
tame coyote
Is there a place where all these@pull guides are
generally i watch streams of naowh & andy then adapt it to make it more "pug friendly", personally don't use any of the posted routes but there are weekly routes on wowhead
warm plinth
@sick sentinel watch this: https://clips.twitch.tv/PuzzledFlirtyLaptopTinyFace-MphLcaNcoGg-UDMd
No one bully my UI
sick sentinel
i have proof of what im saying about the aggro thing, but i don't really want to push it any further
warm plinth
I believe you that he has threat colors.
I'm not arguing that
The clip is to show you how to tank the boss
sick sentinel
how to tank the boss is point him away from the group and the walls and take him out of the ring, then hide
im still bad at it
copper lava
any way to pick up SB without dropping Bloodsurge or Battering ram?
only way I can see is dropping ravager
warm plinth
You move too much for that boss too tbf. That's a good boss to practice not moving more than you absolutely have to.
Every step the boss or add takes does groupwide damage
sick sentinel
i think that was on an attempt we wiped on
warm plinth
any way to pick up SB without dropping Bloodsurge or Battering ram?
Just drop bloodsurge; you'll be alright. I wouldn't drop Battering Ram or Ravager.
sick sentinel
we wiped twice on that boss, got it on third try when i pull head from ass terms of spikes
copper lava
do I need it for neltharus tho..hmm
warm plinth
btw for NA this is a great time to buy tokens. They're up to 273k
Neltharus it's a safety pick for the wardens
You don't need it but you might want it
copper lava
I was thinking for blacksmith boss mostly
warm plinth
Blacksmith boss does damage?
copper lava
for his aoe and the 20% dr
warm plinth
what 20% DR
copper lava
with SB do you still get the 20% magic DR? or no
warm plinth
That's spell reflection, not spell block
warm plinth
copper lava
oh thanks
warm plinth
I'm already tired and I'm only 3 1/2 hours into a probably 15 hour+ shift
copper lava
I feel that in my soul
I just left the medical field a year and a half ago. Was working 14-16 hours a shift all together between start and finish+ commute travel time
lucid pasture
revenge isnt 360
sick sentinel
have to run 2 keys to get 1 W crest
tired girder
I am literally losting time on 16 keys because people don't know Mechanic's.
How this is possible on that range of keys?
You guys struggling the same on that range?
Any tips?
urban portal
be more picky with selecting people
tired girder
Maybe that is the problem... I have to.
For example on underrot, people Running from the maggot's from second boss instead of kill them walking through.
On a 16? Incredible
warm plinth
I am literally losting time on 16 keys because people don't know Mechanic's.
How...
16s aren't particularly high this season due to the lack of dungeon scaling. Even in 20s I run into people who just don't know how to do a mechanic.
Cragmaw and Rokmora are the two biggest offenders
urban portal
theres a reason why people want 3k io for 20s
not because low io cant do the dungeon
its just that its less likely to mess up mechs
warm plinth
yeah, sad as that is
tired girder
I understand but how you climb in Rio if you can't finish a dungeon?
warm plinth
They get carried
Or they do good enough damage and have enough mechanically competent teammates that the key still gets finished.
tired girder
True... So frustrating
warm plinth
Like the number of people who don't bait or squish ticks on Cragmaw is baffling to me
But it's still happening almost every run
That being said, tanks are just as bad. Did a UR on one of my alts this week and the tank was aiming the shockwave from the inside toward the outside on 3rd boss. Was getting like 3 mushrooms per shockwave 🙃
tired girder
That boss is funny
tame coyote
I pug all my keys, and definetly dont know all the ins and outs of all but what I found very effective is to go 1 key level at a time and only take ppl that are the same as you. So before doing a 17 first do a 16 and invite only ppl that have done a 15
Its a slow grind but you also start noticing those mechanics that you may ignored on lower key levels. Once you go beyond 18s many trivial things start 1 shoting, like have 5-6 tick debuffs
sick sentinel
paladin is just simply superior for under rot
warm plinth
Why do you say that?
sick sentinel
for cragmaw ansd shrooms
warm plinth
I'm not sure how you have an advantage on Cragmaw as a paladin?
sick sentinel
consecration for the first one, bubble neigh for the second
warm plinth
Consecration for what?
sick sentinel
consecation is like a cheat code for those ticks
warm plinth
How?
sick sentinel
dps kites them in, it ticks, then u get agro
solemn current
You guys are getting ticks?
warm plinth
How is that any different than thunder clap or revenge?
urban portal
those are yogi level takes
warm plinth
In pugs, yes, you get ticks sometimes.
warm plinth
Funny enough, consecration does hit things that are out of its range either.
doesn't*
sick sentinel
what i mean is, consecration hits like i dunno 6 or so times?
urban portal
you think 1 of those hits is gonna make enough aggro?
warm plinth
The goal should be to not get ticks anyway
urban portal
if you were to say something like auto targetting judgement/avengers shield i would believe you
sick sentinel
if people didn't attack the tick too badly, should yellow aggro tick
warm plinth
If you get ticks, that means you fucked up
tired girder
That boss is easy of people stack for the boss running to the walls and it's easier to destroys the little blood stuff.
The only hard time is when boss gets crazy and start running and even there people just need to focus and destroy them
sick sentinel
thats true too, just i mean, like also theres ravager
sick sentinel
longer CD but same idea
urban portal
theres no way ill throw ravager in the middle of nowhere
urban portal
yeah and one of your 100 revenges wouldnt catch it
or shield slam shockwave
or TC
warm plinth
@urban portal bro what is that username 🤦♂️
urban portal
you have not noticed it?
its half a joke
you know me and some other dude went over some logs
and apparently a lot of top logs enjoy hekili
at least for arms
warm plinth
No I mean your actual username, not your nickname
fresh igloo
and apparently a lot of top logs enjoy hekili
how can you tell from logs?
different priority?
urban portal
using slam on arms essentially
torn gulch
lair trinkets do not exist
I have both
final mist
lair trinkets do not exist
correct
ive been running NL back to back for the past 3 days
currently having UR flashbacks
sick sentinel
my trinkets are cursed
stoic isle
would anyone be able to assist me real quick? I'm using unstable frostfire belt, shadowed impact buckler, and a primal molten longsword with no embelleshments (best i can get because forgestorm hates me). I'm reading that I should ditch the buckler for the defender with a shadowflame patch, and either use that with the belt, or use the defender and crafted boots both with shadowflame patches and ditch the belt.
sick sentinel
2 of the new embellishment or 1 and FFB, but its probably in the pins
stoic isle
but for sure ditch the buckler you think?
sick sentinel
im doing crafted belt with the embellishment on it and planning to not use the pants for the season 2 set
that way, i can have haste in all gear slots except trinket
so you crafted the new shield you mean?
stoic isle
yeah
sick sentinel
i think people here reccomend against crafting that one, but its not the end of the world
warm plinth
@final mistwhen blue again
warm plinth
warm plinth
Mwahi is bis
lucid pasture
im washed now
good, you were starting to smell
crude notch
maybe if you'd get your nose out his ass
final mist
good, you were starting to smell
lucid pasture
maybe if you'd get your nose out his ass
too far up your moms atm
crude notch
that's not the comeback you think it is chief
lucid pasture
cry about it
daring marlin
THANK
sick sentinel
after talisman which drops for prot as well
warm plinth
yogi wants all the things that he doesn't need
warm plinth
I bet he's still farming lingering sporepods too
crude notch
Yogi: "My trinkets are so cursed"
Also Yogi: Loot specialization set to Protection
sick sentinel
well yeah, shield transmogs
bronze kite
seems fair
warm plinth
He seeks out trinkets that he knows are bad
e.g. lingering sporepods
And then he puts together shit like "haste sets"
loud cave
I've gone through all of LFR and normal Aberrus and didn't get any loot, so still not even 2p yet. On the flip side, I got Forgestorm on my 2nd run, so I dunno if that evens things out.
toxic pewter
catalyst opens up this week, so can at least get 1 tier piece
sick sentinel
every set is my haste set really lol
those "sets" aren't complete by far
Is catalyst o ly gonna be good for getting tier
I only started playing near end of vault
Can you use it for like raid trinkets or anything
warm plinth
It's just for tier
sick sentinel
Shit
I have 5 set
Do you think you could turn 441 gear into 447 tier with it
When the “myth” track drops
thin silo
it doesn't change ilvls, it simply makes non-tier into tier
hazy bronze
Can also reroll some off pieces for different secondaries
long chasm
Can i send it to alts
Pretty sure if you do it on one char your alts get it that week too
sick sentinel
Hmm
long chasm
That’s how it worked in s1
Not sure if it was shared though, or if they just got their own currency
long chasm
Oh even better
sick sentinel
oh well, back to lair, in prot spec
loud cave
I was surprised it even seemed to be charges for low level toons too. I was leveling up lots of characters together and they immediately had multiple charges when I went to upgrade for tier stuff.
lusty grotto
what are next week affixes
warm plinth
We don't know
warm plinth
Yeah i think that was the only one
warm plinth
Your first mistake was expecting consistency from Blizzard
lusty grotto
a rookie mistake
crude notch
It wasn't announced
lusty grotto
😄
lusty grotto
hmm
crude notch
That or we're gonna get 2 bursting weeks in a 4 week window lol.
We've had all the +7 affixes though
Like our chances of either Storming/Bursting or Incorporeal/Bursting.
inb4 incorporeals burst.
warm plinth
This is my updated guesses
lusty grotto
😮
crude notch
I just want 10.1.5 already
sick sentinel
what comes with that
crude notch
LMAO
sick sentinel
can someone show me a tooltip of a 437 or 441 talisman
450 is too high for comparison for me
crude notch
https://twitter.com/bansheeirl/status/1668038208569896963?s=46&t=pKJqAaes9gysilv...
Wait do you follow me on Twitter you creeper
daring marlin
Nope. I juse saw you under lepan's tweet and laughed.
crude notch
Lol
daring marlin
💯
mighty valley
If all keys aren’t perfectly equally difficult at +28 blizzard has failed at balance
sick sentinel
so, i did some pointless testing, and it turns out you can use dreadplates and shard of rokmora at the same time and those effects stack
was seeing melee's hit for as low as 3,000's after blocks on the raid dummy
urban portal
why wouldnt they work
lusty grotto
dorki and elle just found out about magmaclaw's xD
sick sentinel
why wouldnt they work
there is no 20second delay when activating them
and so the full durations of both take place and stack
so you get 30 seconds of 1 buff and 18 seconds of the other
vocal verge
so if I want bloodborne. Do I give up enduring dfenses or impenetrable wall
sick sentinel
both of those sound like mandatory to me, but, im not sure, it used to be, bleeds didnt do enough dmg so it was a trap talent
maybe things changed
warm plinth
Neither because why would you take Bloodborne
sick sentinel
the only fake imaginary scenario i could come up with, is that, hes doing it because we have more gear, so the bleeds hit for more so he increased dmg from the talent is worth it.
warm plinth
It's not
The problem with Bloodborne still exists. It's 2 points which is very expensive, and you give up too much to take it.
sick sentinel
i know thatswhy i specifically prefaced it with fake imaginary scenario
2 talentsfor thatand hard to get to is huge sad
mighty valley
it’s still fucked up they named a talent Bloodborne and had the audacity to make it bad
vocal verge
Didn't notice it was 2 points. Took one point in it and bleeds totaled 23% of my dmg. That was only 85k total in a 20FH so don't know how much my intel is worth.
Can say the 1-2 seconds every now and then of missing block uptime felt bad.
I think point for point it might be worth giving up Champion's Bulwark for it for dps but 68 casts of it is a lot of block time. Feels bad because bloodborne is some dps that we just can't take.
proper roost
well
dps is simmable
and has objective answers
and just objectively bloodborne isn't winning out
every talent has an opportunity cost, thunder lord is a good example of sounding great on paper but being a dps loss to take
dragonflight talent tree design is not really feelscraftable correctly
modern gazelle
Where can i get a good head/shoulders outside of the raid? my shoulders and head are both terrible while all my other gear is 20+ilvl higher