protection

[violet flume]

you had to attune yourself by doing gold medal dungeons

[ocean yoke]

Just the starter endgame stuff was pretty wild

[violet flume]

which is prob like doing a M+15 on every dungeon

[toxic pewter]

Sounds fun

They should bring it back let fans run servers or something

[violet flume]

im sure theres some private server

[toxic pewter]

Oh really

Interesting

[violet flume]

never tried healing but it semeed intersting... looked like it was all about targeting people with your aoe on your screen rather than click/mouseover unit frames

[frozen rose]

@tropic star ya I noticed Rio boss is the real problem for us. Sadly both of us are about even in regards to handling the dot magic damage. Just have to make sure to have the largest toolkit regarding defensives I can. And hopefully healers haven’t used their externals on dispel ppl earlier

As in save everything for around then . Problem is I often have emergencies with my hp bar before that lol

[kind glen]

No fully functional private server. All code was essentially lost, and things are being rebuilt from ground up.

[dusky canopy]

Damn thats tough

So i have zero idea how that stuff works but couldnt someone with the original game files get said code youre talking about?

with the right tools ofc

[modern gazelle]

How often do you guys swap to defensive stance? I feel like I always forget about stance swap

[dusky canopy]

pretty much only for tank busters or ulda trash since it claps cheeks

[crystal mauve]

I'm looking at the details of the sim I ran to check the dps difference of IO vs UF and I noticed Shield wall is not cast in the sim. Does anyone know if it's considered when using IO talent?

[modern gazelle]

Hmm okay

[sick sentinel]

hunter excited for his dice

[toxic pewter]

Grats

Sharkbait

[dusky canopy]

Oo ah ah

[proper roost]

huge sharkbait

brm

Not even close

tigers lust might be cringe and pretty much exactly worse than prot pally freedom but you can still use it to break freehold barrels, roots, the hoi dragon snares, etc

Detox for afflic

Paralyze for incorp

detox also p good for things like NL worm ofc

chaos brand is def better than mystic touch tho but non vdh push teams dont even seem to favor havoc right now, so shrug

[toxic pewter]

Wat better mystic touch or battle shout

[crystal mauve]

Just a little highlight if I may : Utility is only as good as what the situation you are in requires so the question is not A>B>C. Generally you need your tank to fill whatever gap your team doesn't fill already. Also having the option to do it doesn't mean people actually will

[crystal mauve]

Too similar, there is no real difference in any reasonable situation to worry about which is better. It depend who gets to use the buffs only

[lime urchin]

Use d-stance as an extra defensive cool-down

[proper roost]

what's cooler to play*

(it's brewmaster)

[toxic pewter]

[uneven mason]

Make a giant angry wa if stances are off cd and you're in defensive

[uneven mason]

27hotkeys are not cool

[fiery pulsar]

anyone have a weak aura for when to use SR for the bombs on sark?

[sleek current]

You know... It really does me in that Fireblood is a million times better than Bitter Immunity. Rages in Horde mentality.

[delicate forum]

Hi which talent node you drop for spell block?

[jagged pier]

[chilly brook]

When do I use WW?

[jagged pier]

[chilly brook]

[jagged gust]

Dang, MDT Guide has been an absolute blessing for learning mythics. It's not as good as a second monitor or having the ability to memorize anything but it'll still do in a pinch.

[strong forum]

i tend to just press W

has been working so far

[jagged pier]

^

[modern gazelle]

Well yes, I’m asking how often people use it though since most of the time you have better defensives and don’t need to swap but not sure if I’m using it too little

[sick sentinel]

I use it on fortified mostly

many use it not at all or just a little but no shame

in using it

[crystal mauve]

If you are learning the class you might not feel as comfortable with your rotation and defensive so DStance can help you learn the basics. Once that's settle in you shouldn't feel the need for DStance and swap to BStance for more damage

[sick sentinel]

i got a catalyst chest now

[modern gazelle]

I am comfortable with the rotation and use battle stance. My question is how often are people really using defense stance since we have other cooldowns that cover most situations.

[silent vessel]

not very often tbh

i just sometimes switch when the damage incoming is high

but then quickly swap back

[torn gulch]

defensive stance is used in some circumstances

[ruby musk]

I literally never use it. I'd rather just use IP. The rest is just defensive rotation and shield slamming every time it's up.

[hallow phoenix]

Back to back hulks in NL if I don't have a cd

Def stance does the trick

[modern gazelle]

Speaking of slam, do you swap targets to slam for the damage reduction or just focus on one?

[ruby musk]

Depends on mob/pull. If it's one high damage mob with a couple meh ones (golem pack ULD) then prior the one I need most DR for. If not just cycle.

[crystal mauve]

The answer is only when you need it so it will depend on the content and if you fucked up your CD or something. I use it only when I screwup something like fat finger or CD or when a pull is not going well (people dying and I have to find a way to stay alive somehow)

[toxic pewter]

Kinda still wish we got gotten that skull banner we had in df beta for a short time. Would be interesting to see how people would of valued it

[quiet minnow]

is nelth trinket worth a shit in m+?

looks pretty solid, i got one from the heroic chest

[crystal mauve]

If no danger - Highest life target / if danger - stack the DR on the dangerous mob

[crystal mauve]

Which trinket exactly?

[quiet minnow]

call to chaos

[crystal mauve]

It's a decent stat stick, I wouldn't be my primary choice but it can work if you don't have better

[quiet minnow]

i got 441 grapnel, 441 anvil, 444 call to chaos

i only tank m+ really, arms in raid

sometimes tank but pretty rare

[crystal mauve]

Call to chaos should be better in M+ because of the flat stats (they are usually better for AOE as damage trinket rarely scale in AOE). As for Grapnel or Anvil, I would run a few dungeons with both and see which one perform better. I believe Anvil will be better in single target and Grapnel AOE but I could be wrong

[solar rivet]

Hello peeps, new to this discord and prot warrior. Where might I find something like a rotation guide?

[dusky canopy]

Icey veins

[solar rivet]

nvm then

[crystal mauve]

There is a lot of answers in the pins as well. If you can't find the answer here we can help with some questions

[solar rivet]

Should I even bother having Rend on my bars if I have Blood and Thunder?

[crystal mauve]

no

[mighty valley]

nope! toss out rend, slam, whirlwind

[solar rivet]

Is revenge always better than whirlwind?

[crystal mauve]

yes

[solar rivet]

using the build on wowhead

Ok, good to know thanks

that frees up a couple buttons

Should I thunderclap on CD or just to reapply rend?

[crystal mauve]

On CD

Note that our rotation it priority base so if you have to chosse between Shield slam and Clap, you will Slam first as it's more damage/rage gen. You can find the detail of the priority on a few guides easily

[solar rivet]

Gotcha, thanks

[mighty valley]

The overall rule of thumb is generate as much rage as possible and keep spending it so you never overcap

[jagged gust]

unless you're fighting more than 2 mobs without set bonuses, or 3 mobs with set bonuses, then TC overtakes SS in damage

outside of your last stand window, I guess

[modern gazelle]

Any of you guys macro avatar/Demo Shout with shield charge?

[charred ivy]

halls if infusion is mostly Physical?

[crystal mauve]

Nah, you are not considering the rage here, SL is prio in almost all scenario

[uneven mason]

The frost damage fucks in there

If you're not ranging the breaths it'll easily be #1 source

[charred ivy]

meh i guess i just go spellblock incase

[crystal mauve]

Not really, first of all Shield charge and Demo won't work as they are both on the GCD and even if they did you might Shout when you charge and mobs would not be in range. I would not bind them together ideally

[solar rivet]

stupid question, do damage reduction abilities reduce fall damage as well?

[modern gazelle]

Ah true, what about avatar?

[uneven mason]

You can't macro Ds and SC

And nah don't macro em

[modern gazelle]

Yeah forgot they were both on gcd.

[uneven mason]

Avatar has a shorter cd than either

[crystal mauve]

It's not recommended as it's not ideal but you do you. It depends where you are at on your learning of the class. It's better to have it macro than not use it at all but it's better to learn and use them separately when appropriate

[modern gazelle]

Wouldn’t you always want to cast avatar if it’s available before charge?

[uneven mason]

My thoughts are if you're going to macro avatar to anything you might as well just macro it to everything

[jagged gust]

Sure it's 13 more rage, but you're just dumping that into IP anyway and the extra claps outshines the damage boost from outburst

[uneven mason]

Yes, but avatar is a 35-40s cd and lasts 20s?

[crystal mauve]

13 more rage is also CDR on Avatar and you can dump it into Revenge not only IP

[modern gazelle]

Yeah so have a separate button for avatar but also macro charge+avatar on your charge keybind that way you always cast it alongside

[jagged gust]

hmm hadnt thought of the cdr

[modern gazelle]

Then in the off timer you can cast avatar with your normal keybind

[solar rivet]

Whats the best prot-warrior race

[crystal mauve]

Clap is better if you are in avatar and there is more than 6 mobs or something like that (you will be rage cap by Bloodsurge) but with Shield slam CDR on Avatar and now on Last stand I believe there is no scenario where I don't want to send Slam. Unless maybe really high number of mobs

[uneven mason]

You do you

[uneven mason]

Any, but mostly dwarf

[crystal mauve]

Dwarf is considered better but realistically you do whatever you like best. You can do any content with any race (there might be exception for very high end stuff)

[modern gazelle]

How much does orc racial even do nowadays? Is it even good still? I use it but not sure how much it matters

[crystal mauve]

It doesn't really

[solar rivet]

I rolled a tauren cause the racials seemed nice with it

[toxic pewter]

all the dps racials are generally speaking even with eachother

[solar rivet]

with the intent of running M+

[toxic pewter]

some maybe slightly higher

[uneven mason]

Dwarf let's you do stuff like unfuck an attemp on the 3rd boss in UR by grabbing 9 mushrooms as he's about to pop and then stoneballs it off

[jagged gust]

ill concede the point

[crystal mauve]

All races are fine tbh

[uneven mason]

You macro it to avatar and forget itbexists

[modern gazelle]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking of doing

[toxic pewter]

Honestly dwarf racials need the bitter immunity treatment, lmao, yeah I said it

[uneven mason]

[toxic pewter]

dont @ me

cant wait for that day

[uneven mason]

They already nerfed did racial

[jagged gust]

Anything to stop the influx of dwarves, they're awful for the environment and smell bad to boot

[toxic pewter]

The ironic thing is I actually like Dwarves, I have one myself.

[uneven mason]

So everyone can reroll bloodelf again for that obtuse dispell

[toxic pewter]

But I can take a step back and call a spade a spade

[uneven mason]

It's not going to make or break any content

[modern gazelle]

So when you are pulling a decent size pack and constantly getting resets, especially with avatar, Shield slam/clap can basically be infinitely cast. What do you spend rage on since can’t really fit revenge? Just spam ignore pain, assuming you have block active?

[jagged gust]

zactly

[crystal mauve]

You dump the extra in Ignore Pain to feed into your Anger management (CDR on Avatar/Shield wall)

[toxic pewter]

ignore pains

[modern gazelle]

Ignore pain caps at 140k though right?

[toxic pewter]

cap doesnt matter

[urban portal]

doesnt matter

[crystal mauve]

You dump it either way, doesn't matter, you don't want to waste any ressource. Might as well refresh a shield than waste CDR on CD

[uneven mason]

You're getting it

So IP is an offensive spend, just remember IP is an offensive spend

[modern gazelle]

What about shield block, keep it at 0 stacks most times or try to refresh before hitting 2 so you usually have a stack in case needed

[uneven mason]

Outburst and Anger management

[urban portal]

always have a stack in case

[sick sentinel]

apparently beacon isn't good for whatever spec that hunter is, hes 409

[modern gazelle]

Yeah that’s what I’ve been doing but sometimes I feel like I don’t have it active enough

[sick sentinel]

hes got a 428 beacon and he only did 34k in a FH

[uneven mason]

If you're tanking melee use SB don't let it drop

[crystal mauve]

See the recharge of your shield block as a ressource, you don't want to waste it so you do use it if you are close on getting your 2nd charge back. Otherwise it's a matter of getting your uptime as high as possible

[uneven mason]

If you're spending a lot of time thinking about block run HR and don't think about it anymore

[crystal mauve]

If you are not tanking (raid) you should also have it up as it incrase your Shield slam damage*

[uneven mason]

This is correct

[sick sentinel]

guess i was wrong about unholy being bad dps in keys still

[modern gazelle]

Is there a good WA for checking effective uptime of SB

[jagged gust]

Bro looks like you accidentally replaced 2 of your DPS with cheerleaders

[crystal mauve]

He is a beast mastery hunter and use Rapidfiire, there is more than 1 problem here friend

[toxic pewter]

lol

[sick sentinel]

when i seen 420 hunter rapid fire, that face

[toxic pewter]

puttin him on blast

[uneven mason]

So to quote a wise man
#protection message

[sick sentinel]

i knew something was gunna happen with him

[toxic pewter]

wat going on with the ele shaman too

[crystal mauve]

No, you should log your keys/raid and see if you have blocked all hits. This is what's relevant. Shield block uptime is only an indicator but what is relevant is if you blocked everything. Mobs could hit you in the back while you have shield block. Or you could be kitting without taking any melee hit and not have shield block up (which wouldn't matter if you are not in melee)

[toxic pewter]

wat going on in that key jesus

[sick sentinel]

only a few deaths overal

[crystal mauve]

Have you checked their pulse IRL?

[modern gazelle]

Not sure what this is linking it’s taking me to a random comment about haste

[modern gazelle]

Fair enough

[toxic pewter]

what % blocked melee hits are considered good these days

[strong forum]

90%

[crystal mauve]

100%

[toxic pewter]

Ok

[sick sentinel]

oh, they died to the sharks, because, they claimed.....

[uneven mason]

Focus on damage and the mitigation happens

[toxic pewter]

seems im sometimes in the 80s

gotta work on that

[crystal mauve]

It won't if it stuck on them lol

[uneven mason]

Are you pressing WW to pick up the mobs hitting you in the back

[toxic pewter]

yeah sharks chase Vulperas continuously they dont stop

[dusky canopy]

[sick sentinel]

i think he has to do it twice, for the shark to stop chasing

[modern gazelle]

Do you guys tank raids? I feel like it’s hard finding a guild that needs a tank

[toxic pewter]

[uneven mason]

Imagine being a Hunter and just not kiting

[crystal mauve]

Yes, there is only a few tank spots available, and guilds are usually trying to keep them if they are good. Especially if they can play multiple classes

[toxic pewter]

hes beast mastery too lol

[modern gazelle]

Need to try and find a guild so I can raid. I want to just tank this expac but might have to dps I feel like

[uneven mason]

Tank spot are notoriously hard to obtain

Unless you're well established

[silent vessel]

have you checked raider.io recruitment etc?

[uneven mason]

Last 2 tank spots I've gained has legit been from taking over the guild

[sick sentinel]

turns out hes reponsible for the other deaths too,

[silent vessel]

i personally went dps last xpac but tanked m+ and was asked if i wanted to tank this xpac in raid

[modern gazelle]

I want to get into mythic eventually but need to get my logs up doing normal and heroic first cause I just got back after quitting in BFA

[solar rivet]

I have recently discovered the beauty of mouseover macros. Feels so nice having kick, taunt, and heroic throw get launched wherever my mouse is 🙏

[modern gazelle]

Not yet cause I haven’t started raiding normal even. Need to get logs up likely before recruiter

[dusky canopy]

Expect to start in a guild that clears half the raid on mythic

maybe a CE by end of season guild

[modern gazelle]

im assuming most guilds for normla/heroic experience as well, any tips on finding a first guild even?

[silent vessel]

recruitment on raider.io or groupfinder ingame

or wowprogress i think has recruitment ads as well

[dusky canopy]

Thats my boat, only ever done the puggable mythic bosses

not much for credentials

so i just dont bother

[modern gazelle]

yeah, only thing that sucks as a tank is finding guild everything else is much easier i feel

yeah thats the dilema lol, if they need a tank something likely happend xD

[dusky canopy]

Most* of the time, it seems like The tank spot in a CE guild is typically filled by a long time member who is a great dps/heal but took on the responsibility as tank so the guild didnt have to find a random

you typically wont just land an open tank spot

youll most likely have to dps to get your first CE

or Tank with a newer guild and work your way up over seasons as moo said earlier

[proper roost]

yes. also even in good ce guilds youll get a bunch of shit tanks

theyre just like

not shit at what matters

but like individual button presses and dps theyre dog

[dusky canopy]

Yeah finding a team is the only thing holding me back

[proper roost]

raid tanking just disproportionately rewards consistency (both in attendance and performance) and positioning over all else

U shouldnt really want to be a ce guild tank tbh

Its kind of a dick role where having a brain is not super useful you kinda mostly just need to be a robot

[dusky canopy]

i would assume getting CE as tank feels exactly like getting AOTC

you get it and then you are immediately bored

all of "farm"

[proper roost]

no early on u still need to preplan good

Like if ur one of the first tanks to pull a boss no one has ur cd orders for u

[crystal mauve]

Tthe most important for raids tanks is the execution by far. Your numbers are usually not that relevant (up to a certain point ofc)

[modern gazelle]

why would CE/AOTC be more boring than other roles for farming gear?

[dusky canopy]

because dps start log farming during "farm"

tanks dont really do that

other than for flexing among other tanks

[proper roost]

Sure you can

But yeah another big issue is you kinda have to get along p well with your cotank

[final mist]

I still have kill videos from several expansions ago where I had that with my cotanks

[proper roost]

Tanked quite a few tiers with mediocre cotanks and life is very boring

[final mist]

Miss those idiots

[crystal mauve]

How much would you say your parses are impacted by other as a tank? I feel that sometimes because dps want to parse so much they are standing in shit so much that healer ignore you (more than usual) and I can't spend my ressources in pure damage

[modern gazelle]

yeah i may just play fury for raids

[proper roost]

Literally the only downside of being dps raid key tank is that my shield is 441

vs 447

Not exactly super relevant

[crystal mauve]

Similar for our kills, my uptime is trash on one of the kill replay you can see me just running around lol

[crystal mauve]

Craft a 447, gg moves

[proper roost]

Think you did not read or comprehend my statement

but i didn't really clarify it so idk

[crystal mauve]

As long as you don't let you co-tank die for parses it's fine. It happened to me before... The rage I was in lol

[drifting socket]

do you guys pre last stand before the key starts to get the proc quicker?

[crystal mauve]

yes, it also reset you LS so it's pure value

[drifting socket]

cool thought as much

i see FBV has seen more play, is it 50/50 now between BV?

is it still bugged

where if you cap your IP

it stops working

yeah cos old tier setis gone

[uneven mason]

I wouldn't put anymore thought into fbv vs BV you could delete them and literally not notice unless you compare logs

[drifting socket]

thunderlord worth taking now with the recent buffs?, I actually quite enjoyed the legendary back in SL, had like 60-70% uptime on it

[uneven mason]

From a damage perspective not really

[jagged pier]

well if u want to turtle turtle build u can u replace sof and only sof for it

and u have to use it on cd

which 99% of ppl dont when they run TLS

[uneven mason]

☝️

[jagged pier]

so they have less casts of demo shout than me and i dont run it

[drifting socket]

even with the 20% increase in dmg to affected targets? it's still a dps loss compared to SoF?

[uneven mason]

I find it just makes the GCD budget more obnoxious

[jagged pier]

a slight one yer

[drifting socket]

must be a closer gap though

[uneven mason]

Desyncs your 3big CD

[drifting socket]

fair

take it that it's not worth dropping battering ram so you can pick up both SoF and thunderlord

[jagged pier]

no

[drifting socket]

sadge

[jagged pier]

as I said u only drop sof for TLs

u dont drop a higher talent point for a lower one

ppl do

[jagged gust]

Avatar naturally desyncs, Last Stand Naturally desyncs, may as well make all of your damage boosts whacky for the consistency

[jagged pier]

but thats really bad

[uneven mason]

[crystal mauve]

I simed it earlier today (5 taget 90sec) and there is a 1% diff between SoF>TL

[uneven mason]

Sim it for 1 target

[drifting socket]

gonna play TL I think then for a bit, I like it quite a bit

[uneven mason]

Because tyrannical

[crystal mauve]

How long do you want?

[dusky canopy]

Thats assuming you send demo on cooldown

[uneven mason]

3m

[chrome falcon]

gang save me the effort of simming, anvil or dargrul as 2nd trinket with beacon for a key? same ilvl

[crystal mauve]

it's running now

[dusky canopy]

darg prob

anvil owns if you can keep the stacks rolling

[uneven mason]

[dusky canopy]

but you already have a on use

so id do dargrul

[uneven mason]

Anvil

[chrome falcon]

anvil doesn't count as on-use

it's only 1 min cd

so it doesn't have any kind of penalty

[jagged pier]

i wouldnt run beacon in m+ compared to those 2 tbh

🤷

[uneven mason]

And usable while moving

[dusky canopy]

Beacon pumps though

[chrome falcon]

you think no beacon jakey? idk man that shit is kinda broken

it's only 20 so i can afford to cast it

[jagged pier]

🤷

[dusky canopy]

it did 10m in the last dungeon i ran it

its quite good

[jagged pier]

i mean it gives mastery

[uneven mason]

So approximately the same

[jagged pier]

so outside of the 2 mins

kinda bad

and the other 2 trinkets do a lot anyway

[chrome falcon]

yeah it's kinda close in the neltharus i did

6.4% beacon 4.7% anvil

[jagged pier]

and give better stats

[chrome falcon]

but obviously anvil str

[crystal mauve]

Pretty much, assuming you don't send Demo on CD you might be loosing a bit more but the difference is fairly small

[chrome falcon]

so probably anvil >

[uneven mason]

Beacon is good if you can line it up with problematic trash

[crystal mauve]

If you are doing high end content maybe the defensive value is relevant but that's the only thing to consider I guess. The value is really close either way

[uneven mason]

Yeah so like Jakey said - if you wanna turtle

[jagged pier]

there the 3 m+ builds spell block last TLs and not TLs

up to u

if u want to run it run it

but u have to use demo on cd

[uneven mason]

Might as well pickup io while we're at it to complete the

[crystal mauve]

About IO, do you know if it's simmed properly? I couldn't find Avatar uptime difference with or without IO in the details of the sim...

[uneven mason]

Io gives you 4s of avatar on sw and 4s sw on avatar

[waxen vale]

not to rehash but did u just claim we are tied for 2nd

[sick sentinel]

tuskarr tacklebox over powerd

[strong forum]

yes we are

[sick sentinel]

in 5 minutes just flying around map collecting them, made 1000 gold in 5 minutes

[dusky canopy]

I made 280k in less than 20 seconds with this one simple trick

[sick sentinel]

well, with my method, a grandma could do it

[dusky canopy]

same actually

[uneven mason]

Brews secret is that he used grandma's card

[dusky canopy]

[crystal mauve]

Exactly, sims don't use SW at all so you don't get the 4extra sec of Avatar per use of SW. For a 5min fight you could talk about 20s extra

[tired girder]

as prot which spec we should open vault for the trinkets? they drop on prot spec too?

[uneven mason]

Trinkets go for arms I believe

[tired girder]

even de defensive ones? like treemouth?

[astral crystal]

delet

[sick sentinel]

i put more points into dreadplates speaking of trinkets

[uneven mason]

Uh I mean if you want defensive then yes prot

[sick sentinel]

my teemouth is veteran capped so, thats why i don't use that one

[toxic pewter]

Lol getting friend requests from other apb’s. They mad I got the username

[torn gulch]

treemouth or talisman

for defensive

[dusky canopy]

are we still able to freely change our account name like before?

it just might not be available now since numbers are gone correct?

[toxic pewter]

Can change your display name I think but not the account name

Yah account name is one per person now so I’m literally the only apb on discord

[uneven mason]

A punkass bitch idk if I'd be excited about this

[toxic pewter]

O_O

Are you ok over there

[uneven mason]

That's what apb stands for

[crude notch]

Has he ever been okay?

[toxic pewter]

.. this must be awkward for you…

[rustic tinsel]

[toxic pewter]

🤔

[uneven mason]

[toxic pewter]

1v1 me

[dusky canopy]

[toxic pewter]

Challlenge you to a tank off

[dusky canopy]

1v1 me goldshire

[warm plinth]

Yes you can still change it

[toxic pewter]

Yeh meet me at goldhire inn. Will 1v1 u hard

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/trailer-park-boys-you-want-one-fight-me-gif-13876709

how i imagine this altercation

[limber prawn]

quick dumb question. The boots to craft, are the primal molten ones right?

[dusky canopy]

id craft the cloth ones

personally

they're lighter so you can run faster

[limber prawn]

I was actualy thinkinking leather for the transmog 🙂

just wanted to make sure there isnt some wierd recipe I am missing

[dusky canopy]

nope all good

primal molten all the way

[sick sentinel]

some leather armor is really un-inspired

but, i mean, same for all transmog

[chrome falcon]

102k freehold

[toxic pewter]

U want go

[waxen cradle]

Meet at the 7 Eleven and do this thing

[daring marlin]

yuge

[crude notch]

We all know what you mean is you want to fight over who gets to suck who off first

[proper roost]

[quiet minnow]

Messed around with io a bit more today really like it actually. Super minimal dps loss and feels very tanky

Oh no I changed to green default

Whyyyy

[tropic gorge]

so i'm curious

does protpal need to maintain a shield block like uptime?

like we do? or is it semi automaticly done for them

[strong forum]

a well played prot pally has their mitigation up 100% of the time

same as we do

[waxen orbit]

What's the time duration here

[spice axle]

guys do we have a new reflectable list of m+ abilites for s2 that someone made before?

[strong forum]

still the same list

its always the same link

[strong forum]

doesnt matter which scenario, TL always loses vs sof

[waxen orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-gif-15293404

This is a wholesome message

[waxen orbit]

I'm not disputing that

I'm just asking

What the duration of the scenarios are

[crude notch]

what's io in the pwar sense me dumb

[strong forum]

immovable object

[proper roost]

i thought io was way worse than avatar tc talent

[crude notch]

ain't no way you're convincing me that's worth

the reduced effectiveness is what 10% DR?

[strong forum]

duration

not less DR

[crude notch]

heckin wowhead tooltip

[strong forum]

tooltip isnt wrong

its just not clear in what it means

you get 4seconds of SW from avatar

and iirc 8sec of avatar from SW

the dmg loss is minimal of UF

rotation just shifts slighlty more towards revenge

but if the bossfight allows for it, IO is broken

[crude notch]

nah i meant this part https://i.imgur.com/lSrMLVn.png

[strong forum]

thats a spell ID error

for whatever reason its linked to IO

when it doesnt exist ingame

this is immobable object

idk why youre checking avatar tooltip

[crude notch]

because it doesn't say what the reduced effectiveness is, dork.

For guardian stuff it says what a talent changes to in the blue part. not my fault your spell ids are borked

[strong forum]

this shit has been there since SL tierset and has been in every datamine ever since

no clue whats up with that

[crude notch]

Like for example for bear

[strong forum]

ya like

its coupled with IO, but not enabled in game

so who knows

[crude notch]

I didn't want to seem dumb for asking what it did, but spell ids failed me even worse

:notlikethis:

[hazy bronze]

Which bosses do you like IO on? Experiments and?

[strong forum]

can be real nice on rashok mythic

its not necessary but can be nice

[hazy bronze]

Introobs. Ty

[spice axle]

where can i find the link?

[mighty valley]

in the pins

it's a little way down but it's the first post in there from sense with the yellow name

[warm plinth]

It's also in the faq

[modern gazelle]

can you change gear to drop for off spec in m+?

want to get gear for fury so i can raid

[crude notch]

Yes you set your loot spec to fury by right clicking your frame

[mighty valley]

yeah, you can set loot spec anywhere

including for great vault

[modern gazelle]

cool, how bad would my prot set be for fury?

like if i were to just swap to it now for a raid

[crude notch]

IDK ask fury

[mighty valley]

fine, you just need weapons and trinkets

the ideal stats aren't perfectly matched

but it's not a huge difference

[modern gazelle]

cool, thanks, ill prob try to get some weapons/trinks to have so i can start doing normal/heroic raids as dps

[sick sentinel]

is it boss or add on last boss lair that does the tank mechanic

[crude notch]

Boss

[modern gazelle]

also is there a good WA for violent outburst? it pops up on screen but sometimes with all the stuff going on its hard to tell the proc is active or not

[sick sentinel]

something happened and someonne got hit with the tank thing on the pull

and we were 4 manning

[sudden sable]

Friends... I'm not at home to check, but it just occurred to me that with the new 4pc it might be super beneficial to pop Last Stand before the keystone is activated... Has anyone tried?

[chilly brook]

You’d ideally want to arms over fury if you’re just talking stat parity

[sick sentinel]

i think the taenk mechanic some how went off on our mage wearing blues

wtf

[mighty valley]

that's the fixate from the add

[warm plinth]

Landslide is a frontal

Landslide and molten crash are the tank mechanics

[sick sentinel]

well, mage in blue gear, he went from full hp to 39k

[warm plinth]

If he took a melee from the add, that could happen

[mighty valley]

don't point bosses with frontals at the team

but yeah i think it's most likely that he got fixated and didn't move

[modern gazelle]

i prefer fury and arms is better pvp than it is pve no?

[sick sentinel]

yeah, so, he got hit by the add and then i frontaled the team trying to to to add

[toxic pewter]

Shit happens did you kill boss

[chilly brook]

Arms is basically on par with fury in pve rn

Outside of m+

[sick sentinel]

it did take 3 tries, no worries

[modern gazelle]

interesting, ill take a look, i liked fury more when i played it in classic though its prob much diff now

[chilly brook]

Uhhhh yeah

Fury in classic and fury in retail are night and day lmfao

[mighty valley]

try both out and play your favorite, the difference won't really matter unless you're deep in mythic raid

[chilly brook]

Like very very different

Also looks like arms overtook fury in 95th percentile and above for raid now

[mighty valley]

you don't need to tank the add, it just needs to get walked into the crystal wall

[chilly brook]

Brother there’s a big red beam going from the add to the player that’s the game telling you it’s fixated and you can’t do anything about it

[sick sentinel]

so much to learn with these legion dungeons

[chilly brook]

People need to learn the in game queues man

Circle around someone=spread and don’t get in

circle with an animation going up and down=help soak

Red line from person to add=fixate

Etc.

Quite literally if you learn that stuff half the time you don’t even need a boss mod to tell you what to do but it’s helpful for planning things in advance

[frozen rose]

So the various debuffs that can be put on bosses, like withering curse, to slow their attacks down (for mythic experiments)…can they stack of the same type? For ex 2 warlocks with withering curse.

[crude notch]

No. You can have one of each but not multiple of one.

[frozen rose]

Thx

[sick sentinel]

probably need to try some more difficult keys but vault is filled

[quiet minnow]

as nome said its not as bad as it appears based on wowhead pic-- but whats nice about it is especially for magic damage stuff like slashers or rot magic dmg etc, you can go ava+sr for for 4s at 60% > spell block > ava + sr > wall

you can end up with a rather long period of pretty serious dr

and also 2 walls for instances on bosses/etc that you might need 2 shorter cds

[crude notch]

Yeah I thought it was 10% because I trusted TTs shame on me.

You can easily convince me now.

[quiet minnow]

without it i occasionally found myself wishing i had just 1 more shorter DR outside of wall

now with ava it feels like im perma wall in keys

[modern gazelle]

anyone use quazii wa?

wondering how to make it so that if i hover over an icon itll show the tooltip, mainly for buffs

[crude notch]

Like during combat?

Oh you mean the WA icons

[modern gazelle]

nah if i hover over it

yeah

[crude notch]

I'm not at my desk otherwise I'd post a screenshot but I know there is an option to turn them on from within the WA itself

[modern gazelle]

is there also an option to have the WA dipslay the keybind? so i can just hide my action bars?

i know my keybinds but i just like seeing them not sure why

[crude notch]

There is not, I've been in the same boat for many years and as such I design my action bars to look like WAs instead of designing my WAs to look like action bars.

[modern gazelle]

dang :/ maybe i should just do that

i found the tooltip option, but now im reconsidering just placing my action bars where the WA go and hiding the WA almost

[craggy pilot]

will i ever see Mark of Dargrul or Heart of Thunder drop guys? 🤔

[torn gulch]

maybe?

it's only the 5th week

[crude notch]

No.

Also, my opinion on Heart of Thunder has soured.

[craggy pilot]

why?

[crude notch]

People see "decent number" in details and just go "that's a good trinket" ignoring the loss of main stat. Unless it's cranking like Whetstone (which heart of thunder is not on that level) that sacrifice of main stat usually isn't worth.

[lusty grotto]

@warm plinth carried by beacon on a BH

what a disgusting trinket

i can 1 shot totems on last boss lmao (and the stone golems on Emberon)

[proper roost]

Ret pally smfh

[sick sentinel]

i got the best trinkets of all

[torn gulch]

ar those your trinkets?

you need new ones

[sick sentinel]

you're right, what i should really be going for is spore pods

[craggy pilot]

i have Signoll Flare

but dont think its actually better than my 415 Whetstone 🤔

and havent been in a place where i felt like i needed Festering splinter yet

[crude notch]

yogi has the secret sporepods tech that ppals don't want you to know about

[hazy bronze]

0/15 on forgestorm ;_;

[craggy pilot]

sporepods? 🤔

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[craggy pilot]

for whatever reason i got Forgestorm 1st try on both my Pala and my Warrior 🤣

[lusty grotto]

can we get sporepods back on the literal trashh thing

[craggy pilot]

just get Inexorable Resonator

[sick sentinel]

you really do see alot of dumb names on wow dsont you

Bigfireboi, wow, super creative

[craggy pilot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bKzJ8WyTqQYtF1od2gXDtC

hmm, maybe Vial + Signoll is decent for AOE

its -1.5% in ST tho

[torn gulch]

dropped like 4 times for me

[craggy pilot]

rip bro

[torn gulch]

i have talisman and mark

it's fine

[craggy pilot]

maan gimme that mark plz

:<

cba reclearing the raid just for trinkets

[sick sentinel]

somebody says, they tried it on a 15 halls at 437 and it did 4.2% healing and 2.1% dps

[lusty grotto]

lol

[loud cave]

Is it worth popping last stand for the shield block alone if the buff would otherwise drop off?

[lusty grotto]

you should be using it on CD

with tier anyway

[torn gulch]

when talisman does like 10-15% of your healing and mark doeas 5-6% dps

using sporepods is inting

[sick sentinel]

i suppose i haven't run the dungeon that drops it much yet, but fair point

[torn gulch]

or anvil

that does good dps

[violet flume]

what is the full name of the talisman trinket?

nm u said healing i thought you meant damage

what are the bis trinkets thise season if you dont raid anyway, im sure dargrul is one of them

the other?

[sick sentinel]

its under lairs loot

[violet flume]

yeah doubt ill be needing that

wish they could make some chad tanking trinkets that give you survival and bis dps

[sick sentinel]

i want heart and talisman, but i also want resonator as another troll trinket later on

[sullen gust]

I guess that would end up with dps just being tankier

[violet flume]

yeah, would have to be "when you get meleed you reflect damage" sort of trinkets

[lusty grotto]

have you checked pins?

[loud cave]

Are trinkets where the big DPS comes from? Feels like my DPS is pretty low without any proper DPS trinkets.

[mighty valley]

currently trinkets come out to like ~15% of my total damage

[sick sentinel]

vial of animatied blood is pretty amazing too, a ton of str for a few seconds

[violet flume]

guess i hadnt but seems most trinkets are from aberrus, so i guess the only 2 choices are dargrul and heart of thunder?

[prisma crane]

i love the bacon

and mark does great dmg too

[violet flume]

no other offensive trinket from M+ is listed in the pin

[prisma crane]

bit annoying when it procs off heroic throw though lol

[sullen gust]

I'm rocking the magmammoth scale for now

[lusty grotto]

not pinned cause youre supposed to sim

[sullen gust]

Makes weird fire tentacles and I'm here for it

[violet flume]

damn mmochmap having a hard time loading item data today

[sick sentinel]

what is the part about where you can upgrade gear for 0 crests

like, i have boots 437 and if i stick more boots in the thing, it just lets me upgrade to 437 for 0 wyrm, have to pay the stones cost, i didn't know it was like this, thats cool.

[mighty valley]

you only need crests if you're upgrading something past the highest ilvl you've had in that slot

[sick sentinel]

thats a nice change

[prisma crane]

yea its huge

also costs less flightstones

[sick sentinel]

2h weapons still cost a ton of those, but what cant you do i guess

[modern gazelle]

saw someone mention macro ignore pain+shield slam the other day, do any of you do that?

[sick sentinel]

showed 14xx for some 2h weapon i put in for fun

[modern gazelle]

and is there any other good macros besides mouseover ones for stuff taunt/kick

[lusty grotto]

yes and so does Nome

[modern gazelle]

do you just do a simple /cast IP and /cast Slam?

[lusty grotto]

/use Ignore Pain
/use Shield Slam```

this macro requires good play

i.e. youre using it when youre about to cap

[warm plinth]

@lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

pretty good for 1st heroic kills huh?

[crude notch]

My Echo parse sucks because of threat D:

[lusty grotto]

ye

[warm plinth]

threat?

[warm plinth]

well tbf, I've killed the first and I think 2nd boss before but I don't think it was recorded for some reason

[lusty grotto]

ahaha

[warm plinth]

Tell him to git gud

[crude notch]

yeah well

[lusty grotto]

pug co-tanks always badge

[proper roost]

just too powerful

[warm plinth]

I had a pretty good co-tank. She was below me but very close on every fight

VDH

[proper roost]

At least they were nice about it

Unlike that guys dms a few days ago where he was telling the guy to go dps lol

[crude notch]

Yeah there was some smug havoc player who told me to stop taunting.

[warm plinth]

She was above me on Amalgamation

But I had no threat issues, though there was no shot of her holding aggro on opener XD

[warm plinth]

It's always the DPS man

Fucking people

[sick sentinel]

goes in first
dies
complains about it
has been a meme since forever

[crude notch]

huh

[sick sentinel]

some dude attacks too early generates too much threat, dies

[warm plinth]

We were referring to tanks yogi, not dps peeling off tanks

Like co-tanks not being able to hold threat when it's their turn to tank

[crude notch]

AHHHHHHHHH

what is this

[violet flume]

my old guild

i parsed 98th percentile

[violet flume]

my co tank.. 10th

i was glad i was a druid and could go catweave

[warm plinth]

gross...

[crude notch]

That's why my logs don't show up on my page

No man.

[lusty grotto]

pussies

i was looking for a word for that, but i just cant find any

pussies is the word

[sick sentinel]

do we way out threat other tanks or is it possible dh issue

[crude notch]

My Zskarn parse was so good too

Heck

[warm plinth]

The DH had no issues keeping aggro

[sick sentinel]

was gunna say button pressing issue then i fiugred that would be rude and inflammatory

[warm plinth]

My opener is just a lot burstier than VDH opener

But every tank swap she did fine

[crude notch]

Yeah echo was the only fight we had aggro issues and it was one pull where I had stupid number of TnC procs in my incarn window

If we were in comms I just would've been like "I'll take the boss now"

And we would've been fine.

[warm plinth]

I think the biggest gap we had between our dps was on kazzara and rashok, which was about ~10k

But usually was only 2-5k

[sick sentinel]

i don't think i'll ever play a DH don't worry

[crude notch]

Because sometimes you just be getting that lucky dice and you're top 5 on your opener as bear.

My Anvil certainly doesn't help

[sick sentinel]

bears another one i've always never had interest in, mostly warrior dk paladin, brew is okay i guess, im bad at brew and paladin especially

[crude notch]

lol

I'm getting a beacon in vault this week

gauranteed right?

[violet flume]

bear is pretty fun especially since dragonflight added a lot of stuff

i feel like theyre missing something yet but its a good tank

[warm plinth]

ngl I actually beaconed once right after a tank swap (her taunting off me). I wasn't thinking. She still held that shit like a rock.

[daring marlin]

[lusty grotto]

man i wish i was that confident in my rng

ngl

i always get fucked

"oh, youre on pally? HERES A BEACON"

[sick sentinel]

the hunter i showed earlier today had a 428 beacon and only did 34k dps in a lower key

[lusty grotto]

ive actually abused this with taunt happy idiots

since forever

[sick sentinel]

he was like, between 400 and 409

[daring marlin]

funny considering just using beacon on CD on 5+ targets is 9k dps alone

[crude notch]

@daring marlin dms me about doing keys and then complains when I talk about bear fook u m8

:bearstonks:

[sick sentinel]

but, this guy was your classic "bad hunter"

oh well,

[lusty grotto]

it fucking grinds my gears when a dumbass taunts off just cause he thinks hes the only one that knows that rashok needs to go to mid before full energy

[daring marlin]

so like all hunters

[lusty grotto]

so an example like that is prime

i havent actually done it on rashok though

[daring marlin]

nimchip

[lusty grotto]

i definitely should

[daring marlin]

if you want a beacon on your warrior

you must pick up a two-hander

[lusty grotto]

i already had to pick up a two hander on week 2

cause i had 4 of them in my fucking vault

[sick sentinel]

his masterpeice 200 iq play of the dungeon

[daring marlin]

LUL

[lusty grotto]

out of 6 possible items

[sick sentinel]

which like, it wasn't even the worst thing he could have done, that saves him the falling damage, or it can, timed right, disengage is very powerful if you play it right

[crude notch]

"Bad hunter for eating the same thing I ate"

[daring marlin]

yogi I love that you're just constantly slapping four keys simultaneously

[crude notch]

lmao

[sick sentinel]

only takes 30 minutes, alot less if we have a horrible wipe and mage baby rages

i did minium 5 "baby keys", today

[oblique garnet]

Why are you button smashing 4 keys

[crude notch]

lol

Shield block is bound to two keys?

[daring marlin]

yogi is an enigma

[crude notch]

pls explain

is one a macro?

also the hunter does the right thing here, you're tanking 4 mobs, him pulling more for you was gigabrain

unintentional, but gigabrain

[lusty grotto]

i didnt watch but did he misdirect

oh

unintentional lmao

[crude notch]

nah he disengaged into a pack lol

to dodge seaspout

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[proper roost]

THAT DISENGAGE AHAHA

it wasnt even for sea spout

It was for the rat traps!!!

[crude notch]

oh wait he ate the seaspout

LMAO

[iron tide]

Is the 4 set even worth it??

[crude notch]

uh yes

[lusty grotto]

hell, the 2 set is worth it

[torn gulch]

the 4 set can be like 5-6% of your total damage

depending on content

and 2 set is increased damage to your main attacking ability and last stand at about 1 minute

both are very worth it

i still play without tier set i'll have 4 set in like 3 weeks

[lusty grotto]

even with the catalyst next week?

[torn gulch]

yes with that i'll have 4 set in 3 weeks if vault does not give me set

[lusty grotto]

oof thats rough

[torn gulch]

i did not see any set in my vaults until now

i have the 2k piece

[lusty grotto]

i just nolifed raids

on both of my characters

[torn gulch]

i do not raid
it is a personal choice i am ok with waiting for catalyst

i am doing 20 keys without tier set it's ok

[lusty grotto]

understandable

[torn gulch]

i have time

[lusty grotto]

i fucking hate raiding with pugs

[torn gulch]

my guild told me they will run me in our offchairs normal and heroic runs

i just do not want to raid

[lusty grotto]

nice

[torn gulch]

if i wanted i would've had 4 piece already

[lusty grotto]

i dont really have a raiding guild tbf

my guild is just a few friends

so we kinda have to pug

[torn gulch]

my guild is 5/9M group 1 and almost 4/9 M group 2

they raid quite a bit

[lusty grotto]

nice

[torn gulch]

and we play an ungoldy amount of m+

we legit play several thousands of keys every season

[lusty grotto]

i dont doubt it

[torn gulch]

you should see monday and tuesday

everyone brings their dusted alts

and we boost them one by one in 20's

of course that generates some hilarious moments

i would enjoy this game much less if i did not play in my current guild

[lusty grotto]

likewise

[crude notch]

That reminds me I got heroic clear in an hour on my scuffed 390 warrior

EZ 4p, right?

[torn gulch]

from 0?

are you fed the tier gear?

[proper roost]

good luck

[lusty grotto]

better pray the drop gods

to the*

[crude notch]

I can at least stand warrior without tier. VDH I only have desire to play with 4p.

[sick sentinel]

i got head and shoulders

i need to get better gloves, since i can get only haste from set gear by not doing pants apparently

[twin bramble]

can any of our abilities stop avalanche in NL?

also, one other question, can we side step either frontal from vileshard hulk (fracture and piercing shards) in NL?

[turbid shuttle]

piercing shards follows

I think avalanche can be stunned (not 100% sure), but you can step out of it.

need to move asap though.

[proper roost]

the vdh 4pc is the fiery brand spread shit right

how does the spec even function without that shit

[turbid shuttle]

no. talents give brand spread. 4pc gives a brand on every 20 souls.

[proper roost]

ah

[sick sentinel]

oh i can confirm that on the totems boss in lair you can just watch it move

[proper roost]

yep that's how it works lol

[turbid shuttle]

lmao what else would you do?

[sick sentinel]

i thought itwas way faster

[turbid shuttle]

never played balls and cups before?

[sick sentinel]

so as to be harder

[twin bramble]

thanks. yeah, was trying to find a way to protect pug dps from rocks haha

[turbid shuttle]

cast is very fast

if you have nameplate cooldowns maybe you could pre-empt it, but if you don't know it's coming you'll likely be on gcd

i honestly can't recall if the mob is stunnable because i've given up trying to stun the avalanche

just never pull 2 breakers, and maybe save rally for the pull with 1 breaker + 2 pelters. after that it's beyond your control.

[twin bramble]

thanks!

[cinder storm]

How do you make in NL last boss add spawn under rock so he gets stunned right away?

[twin bramble]

he always spawns to tanks back right

so dps with rock has to know to go there and place

i put my back on the rock near lava to stop from getting knockback and put marker on my back right side near lava telling DPS to drop it there

works well until magma happens and that area is no longer playable (not worth moving him out then back in IMO due to damage dealt when moving)

dps has to be careful not to take a landslide tho

[cinder storm]

Thanks!

[daring marlin]

The add always spawns on the boss's left

[lusty grotto]

cant be stunned

cant step out cause it tracks

[turbid shuttle]

thanks I couldn't recall

avalanche you can 1000% step out of

[lusty grotto]

boss one can be stepped out

or maybe i have it backwards idk

[turbid shuttle]

the rock dude frontal you can't step out of

piercing

[lusty grotto]

yeah you can step out of avalanche

just not the piercing one, i thought we were talking about that one

[turbid shuttle]

which is ironic because piercing shard on exact same mob type last season in vault you could stun them out of

so avalanche maybe can stun then? if you were talking about rock dudes

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk i think that maybe you can stun avalanche

but honestly not worth, its easy to step out

just gotta not have snail ass reflexes

[turbid shuttle]

yea it's just fast. like you can't really time it well unless you know it's coming

stunning the avalanche stops the rocks from dropping on your party

so it's not just for you

admittedly, they could just step out too... but like... ya right

[lusty grotto]

i guess i assumed piercing cause that's the one thing that rocks our boat there

[left basalt]

DBM announces run, if you hold W when you hear the callout you will not get hit.

[crude notch]

What's better

Sunchips or Nimchips?

i did get this though

we got magnavox tier

[modern gazelle]

pro tip, dont tank VP without knowing 2nd boss mechanic xD

[crude notch]

slight variance in some of my pieces

[lusty grotto]

anyone think shadowflame essences drop way too infrequently

i havent had one drop since week 1

[crude notch]

what are they for? I sell them all the time

[lusty grotto]

the belt enchant

well for the most part

5 essences = 5 alloys and BS can craf the stam enchant

[crude notch]

i've averaged like 2 for full clear of raid

[lusty grotto]

hmm

im really unlucky then

[crude notch]

Should I stop selling them. 🤔

[lusty grotto]

nah

should cash in while its hot

[pale iris]

What do you recommend that I craft, belt or bracers (warr tank) ?
I already crafted a shield ❤️

[fresh igloo]

either is fine

[modern gazelle]

can you enchant shield?

[pale iris]

yes

[modern gazelle]

i dont see what enchant to use on the icy veins for shield, what is the best one?

[cinder storm]

When you go to the craft guy, there's one that's called shadowflame something, not on my PC rn

[gloomy vortex]

Frostbite belt for sure

[modern gazelle]

what is our 3rd craft? I have shield+belt with embelish, not sure what to craft next

[modern gazelle]

isnt that the embelish not the enchant?

[cinder storm]

Right, you can only embellish a shield

[modern gazelle]

ah, thats what i was asking, just wanted to be sure

[pale iris]

yea my shield only embellish

ty guys

[lusty grotto]

hmm

did they nerf assaad's reflect?

im trying to figure it out cause there was a fury warrior

and the chain lightning was bouncing when i stepped in to reflect

my theory is that the fury warrior also went in but couldn't shadowplay to check

nvm he didnt go in

it fucking bounced to rogue and shaman lmao wtf

i guess i might have been too close, but i definitely got the reflect off which is weird

so fucking weird

[urban bane]

yeah you can conduit if you aren't careful. i always just leap directly on top of whoever gets it

[lusty grotto]

i guess i had it easy the previous weeks

[crude notch]

The Nim I know wouldn't have scuffed that, age do be getting to ya

[lusty grotto]

i nuked the shit out of 4 people

my rsham friend was like NP i can heal it

then the hunter proceeded to die 3 times to static cling

lmao

[crude notch]

lmao

[vocal nimbus]

Thought asaad's thing was reflectable only if you were the main target

Do you just get in and reflect then?

[warm plinth]

Yes

Might wanna let people know you're doing it ahead of time so they don't panic and try to run away

[crude notch]

YOOO

from the weekly

[lusty grotto]

grats

[vital arch]

I miss the sound of this thing going off GZ

[craggy pilot]

anyone know how the vault works?

if i didnt kill Sarkareth on HC yet, and i have fulll vault, 2 slots HC and 1 slot Normal, then i will only be able to get Beacon in the 3rd slot right?

does that actually decrease my chances of trinket then? compared to if i had 3 Normal slots

[limpid anchor]

Yea

And yes, your chance is lower

[sand pebble]

Intervene ftw

[craggy pilot]

sadge

if you include the "chance" of Anvil/Grapnel actually dropping from my HC clear, it probably evens out a bit tho

[zealous radish]

Revenge having a 'chance' to discount on parry; anyone know if this is PPM or a hidden percentage? Does more crit = more Revenges?

[craggy pilot]

finally a proper trinket drops, and my 97 roll gets overrolled

fml

and its a fucking Evoker winning it 😭

[craggy pilot]

game just doesnt want me to have trinkets on warrior

[tired girder]

I have mine at 398...I am assuming that this patch trinkets are out of loot table

[lyric compass]

got a 424 forgestorm on champion track, is this worth using over a crafted weapon of the same ilvl?

[craggy pilot]

short answer is sim, long answer is yes it is better

[lyric compass]

okay thanks

never really thought about simming dps as tank tbh

[jagged pier]

forgestorm is better than normal weps higher than itself

so yer

[craggy pilot]

welcome to discord

[jagged pier]

if its the same ilvl its better

[craggy pilot]

guess i need to kill Sark HC this week for a chance at trinket 🤔

[jagged pier]

your focusing to much on 1 trinket

[craggy pilot]

not just 1 trinket

any fking trinket

just alrdy killed all the other trinket bosses on normal/hc

and fucking VP/Lair wont drop me anything

dont rly wanna have to do the COS 80 run spam for a trinket again

would rather anvil than bacon tbh

maybe i should try Amalgamation LFR 🤔

[crude notch]

bro what are your trinkets goddamn

[orchid mural]

run nelth's lair. both the shield trinket and the dps trink are awesome, and imo having a cast trinket as tank is /sad

[ruby steppe]

Hey guys, any thoughts about Inner brutality vs fueled by violence for m+? What does one of it make it perform better than the other?

[craggy pilot]

alrdy did Lair 11 times, saw trinket one time and another guy took it

[craggy pilot]

idk man bad luck i guess 🤣

[sick sentinel]

almost as cursed as yogi trinkets

[sick sentinel]

one question, you guys always open your vault as Fury or Arm?

for the trinket?

[dusky canopy]

I’ve been opening fury

Chance at pogstorm and dps trinkets

[loud cave]

Is there any way to track Brutal Vitality? Just curious if there are any numbers that show if that or the healing talent are better overall.

[strong forum]

brv is better overall

but no you cant track it

[proper thunder]

in logs go to your damage done and use "aura filters" and click ignore pain
this will filter all damage done when IP is up
take 10% of the damage done and add that to IP

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/y4dGCTPpBYD2HM9J#fight=6&type=damage-done&source=2&sourcebuffs=190456
here i had done 115.3M dmg while IP was up
so that added 11,53M to my active IP (but not 100% accurate because IP could have been full ) and is a simple calculation

[dusky canopy]

[proper thunder]

^also not sure if you need to exclude borrowed power damage from that

[buoyant depot]

are there any statlines i should build for while playing prot?

or is it just full str

[rough solar]

Fueled by Violence still not worth it over Brutal Vitality?

nvm I searched like I should have done before asking and found the answer

[soft plume]

anvil or zaqali chaos grapnel better?

[hardy snow]

[loud cave]

I just worry that BrV is gonna end up feeling wasted if I'm just spamming Ignore Pain all the time anyway.

[strong forum]

but fbv isnt?

the same time you lose HP, is the same time brv gains traction

except that fbv can steal healing from leech, indom and whatever your healer is doing

causing overheal

[uneven mason]

It's literally not going to feel like anything

You legitimately will not notcie that talent point

It could be changed to "Filler talent to get to important shit - does nothing in gameplay" and you'd only notice it if you compared logs and picked them apart

[uneven mason]

I mean 411 drogbar is slapper

Finally got to tank the raid lastnight, TFW you're in defensive stance and still manage to rip aggro ><

[crude notch]

Maybe don't press taunt jerk

[uneven mason]

I K R

To put it midly I didn't have to taunt all night when I wanted aggro, I'd just press Avatar

[craggy pilot]

what do you tank where you need Dstance while not having the boss? 🤔

[uneven mason]

Sark DoTs "Need" is a strong word more a "I had been in defensive stance from the last wipe and my WA wasn't letting me know loud enough"

[craggy pilot]

ah it hurts that much on Mythic?

[uneven mason]

this is normal bruh

[craggy pilot]

oh lul

i just sit Bstance perma for Normal

ezps

[uneven mason]

But something sometehing healers overstrained

[crude notch]

smdh

[uneven mason]

I did until Sark

but yeah first time raiding all Xpac as prot

[craggy pilot]

did you raid last season?

[uneven mason]

nope

[craggy pilot]

i mean xpac sry

[uneven mason]

I did mythic castle Nath

and then my guild burned out waiting for 9.1

[craggy pilot]

if you tanked Mythic Nathria, then you should know your rotation well enough to not need DStance on Normal Sark ngl

[uneven mason]

I thought so too until I was dying in P3 because the healers were hard focusing on healing DPS standing in bad!

[crystal mauve]

I still remember the routing for mythic Sire, that thing was brutal lol

[uneven mason]

So I just went full turtle and needed zero healing

[uneven mason]

I try not too

[craggy pilot]

in P3 arent you going in shadow when you have tank debuff 🤔

[uneven mason]

over 100 pulls

[uneven mason]

Yup

[crude notch]

nilesen booly

while have poopy trinkets

[craggy pilot]

im confused

[craggy pilot]

😭

i rolled 97 on bacon normal today

and a fucking Devastation Evoker rolled 100

[crude notch]

go get some trinkets booly

[uneven mason]

NGL th 411 rocks was outsimming the CtC

[craggy pilot]

Devastation Evoker dont even use Bacon :<<<<

ye rocks are insane, i just rly wanna replace my Whetstone 😄

and i hate that my ilvl is stuck 433

[crystal mauve]

Cant you get full 441 just by farming 20 now?

[uneven mason]

yeah

[craggy pilot]

like look at this shit

im hard stuck cus of Trinket/Rings