protection

[dusky canopy]

Whirlwinning boys

[uneven mason]

Whirlwinning

[dusky canopy]

Gottem

[uneven mason]

Probably the same type of guy who argued that never surrender was a strong talent

Zero health - Maximum effect!

[modern gazelle]

speaking of talents, how come people dont use Battle Scared Veteran, seems like a really good defensive passive

[strong forum]

bugged and bad

[uneven mason]

It doesn't do what you think it does

[dusky canopy]

Unfortunately it doesn’t work how we’d like it too

[modern gazelle]

ah rip

[fresh igloo]

yeah the tooltip on that is super misleading.

[dusky canopy]

It needs to be an actual cheat death not the garbage it currently is

[uneven mason]

Also, if you're in a situation where you're relying on something along those lines, someone done fucked up already

[strong forum]

think about how often you have close calls

and think about how often BSV wouldve done nothing in those close calls

[modern gazelle]

do you guys use bolster or tough as nails too?

[uneven mason]

If you have tier you use bolster

[fresh igloo]

i use a modified version of the builds in the pins

[uneven mason]

If you don't have tier, bolster isn't doing much for you

[dusky canopy]

Or hell they can make it like the paladin thing proc wall whenever you dip below 40 or something idk

[modern gazelle]

ah okay, cause i feel like right now my shield block uptime isnt as high as it could be

[uneven mason]

That's how it's designed but it's proccing off of raw damage

[modern gazelle]

is there an addon/WA that tracks effective uptime %

[dusky canopy]

It should literally be “prevents death activates wall for 4 seconds puts you at whatever HP sounds fair idk

[uneven mason]

Shouldn't have any problems with sb unless your haste is low and your trying to run itf

[modern gazelle]

and i have honed reflexes spec'd but not sure if the 1s cd bonus is worth given that most casts are from procs on shield slam

[uneven mason]

No, pls read builds in pins

[modern gazelle]

i do have ITF on

[dusky canopy]

I think technically it’s a dps gain but extremely irrelevant

[uneven mason]

You need a certain amount of base haste and have to monitor your stacks

[modern gazelle]

ive read the pins, did i miss one? i know the build linked has storm bolt, i was just using modified cause i saw quazii had hones reflexes

[uneven mason]

If you're falling below 5 stacks 80%of the time you're better off running hr

[dusky canopy]

Honed that is

Nome would know better

[left trout]

wait we arent using ITF? i thought we were

[dusky canopy]

Yes we are

[uneven mason]

We are

But

[strong forum]

technically speaking yes HR has benefits over ITF if you cant get a decent uptime on high stacks of ITF

even on some raid fights

but thats min-maxing to quite high degrees given that you dont rely on the uptime on SB from HR, its just a small rage gen difference

[uneven mason]

If you're not maintaining stacks, have low heat haste, and are not running tier with bolster

[strong forum]

so i just dont bother mentioning it

[dusky canopy]

Look at your log if you waisted 50 rage

That consideration doesn’t apply to you

[strong forum]

so, you opt to not play one of the best stuns in the game, to get 1 sec shorter CD on kick

[lusty tiger]

@dusky canopy who… was using whirlwind??

[uneven mason]

:nomgusted:

[dusky canopy]

Some guy at like 1pm cst

It’s worth the read if you’re bored

[lusty tiger]

[dusky canopy]

Quite funny

[modern gazelle]

ey i just hit 70 th eother day lol and had used quazii guides for most stuff, i trustted him over wowhead/icy veins for build

[dusky canopy]

#protection message

[lime urchin]

Uh oh

[chrome falcon]

hitting 100k details/92k logs in neltharus 20 with the buffs, feeling juiiiiiicy

[strong forum]

im not flaming you, just phrasing it in a way so you can come to an answer yourself

[dusky canopy]

[modern gazelle]

nah you good lol, wouldn't matter if you were flaming me, i only care about improvement and sometimes flaming is whats needed to improve xD

[strong forum]

lotta people take it as a personal attack

[lusty tiger]

I’ve seen it get more outta control around here

[strong forum]

if you criticise smth about their gameplay or talents

[dusky canopy]

I mean this is the era of feelings hurt tbf

[modern gazelle]

i mean maybe if i wasnt a shitter lol, but im fresh 70 so not like i know more cant really get mad at someone criticizing build if they clearly have more experience

[dusky canopy]

But yeah generally you will find very useful information in this channel to help you improve

[lime urchin]

And the icy veins writer is here too!

So fear the guides not!

[dusky canopy]

Oh yeah no doubt! Haha

[strong forum]

rarely gets as outta control as in other discords/channels

like nowhere near

[dusky canopy]

DK gamers go ham sometimes

Mandl don’t play

[lime urchin]

I got banned by a streamer for mentioning not to play in d-stance all day

[dusky canopy]

Sounds about right

[modern gazelle]

so far this disc is best out of the class ones ive been in

some of them suck

[strong forum]

you get banned in max' stream for mentioning ANY kind of class discord

instantly

[dusky canopy]

The average person is so soft these days

It’s sad imo

[strong forum]

people forget that nuances exist

everything is SUPER black and white these days

if youre not this youre that

no nuance, no inbetween

[lime urchin]

A sad truth

[dusky canopy]

Indeed

Bring back 95-05

Peak internet

[strong forum]

lotta not listening to reason, driven more by feelings and emotions rather than fact or logic

[left trout]

im just here for the memes and to learn a bit every so often

[uneven mason]

WW IS A CORE WARRIOR ABILITY HOW DARE YOU SAY ITS NOT WORTH PRESSING (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[dusky canopy]

Haters gunna hate

[uneven mason]

had to read that shit

[dusky canopy]

SMH

[uneven mason]

can't erase it

[lime urchin]

If ww makes someone happy, just press it

[uneven mason]

I guess man

Like, I'm still going to stop healing their ass if I run into them on my druid or shaman

[dusky canopy]

I don’t care what the guy does but he was arguing that it was better than pressing revenge

[uneven mason]

"Bruh if you got rage to press WW, hit IP you turd"

[lime urchin]

Oof

That’s juicy

[crystal mauve]

He probably use Slam in single target cause it’s better than WW

[uneven mason]

should've asked him if he uses a wweapon swap macro to 2h when he presses ww

[dusky canopy]

I see what you did there

[uneven mason]

[lime urchin]

This sounds like some juicy popcorn I have missed

Sad

Stupid holidays

[dusky canopy]

Scroll up a tad I linked to jereee

So short story, I’m sitting in traffic right now and one of the vehicles around me is steady hot boxing

[uneven mason]

Warning, once you read that level of Reeeee you can't unsee it

[dusky canopy]

Getting huge wiffs every like minute

Lmao

[lusty tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/trava-420-high-falling-fell-gif-12118938

[uneven mason]

https://tenor.com/view/cheech-and-chong-up-in-smoke-what-do-you-guys-want-gif-13142690

[lusty tiger]

the whole car is made of weed!!

[uneven mason]

FIBERWEED

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/помойка-driving-smoke-cheech-and-chong-gif-14564740

[lusty tiger]

i love the scene when the destract the feds in a helicopter with naked beach babes

[uneven mason]

I grew up with "Dave's not here man" (I'm Dave)

[dusky canopy]

“Is my driving okay?”

“I think we’re parked man”

[uneven mason]

"It's mostly mawiwowi, but has a little doberman"

See, this WW shit turns us to drugs so we can forget

[dusky canopy]

Lmao

Not me bro I’m trying to remember

So I can literally laugh my ass off

[prisma crane]

i love that movie

[dusky canopy]

That makes two of us!

[warm plinth]

I'm watching now you see me again

[lusty tiger]

the one w the magicians?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[lusty tiger]

🤔

kinda weird movie

morgan freeman the goat tho

magic zombieland?

[warm plinth]

🤔

[tame coyote]

finally 😄 It should be called SS hero for us lol

[mellow bridge]

Uh

No

No it shouldn't

[tame coyote]

hehe

[strong forum]

yeah that uh

doesnt look well for a german

[toxic pewter]

[torn gulch]

[pallid quiver]

I am in turbo mode in my mind, just shooting down all the terrible shitposts that should not see the light of day now

uhhhh someone make a joke about the ssh protocol instead of the bad boys

[craggy pilot]

jesus that Hackclaw Warband

is there anything i can do as a tank to make that boss easier for the healers?

failed it 3 times in a row now on 18-19 where people just die left and right

[dusky canopy]

BRUH

[warm plinth]

No, it's almost purely a healer fight

[strong forum]

muyuu started it, dont @ me

[fresh igloo]

spell reflect the disorient and help kill the totem that CCs the healer. otherwise it's probably the bleed that is wrecking people, so it's on the individuals to use a personal/potion etc.

[craggy pilot]

oh the totem is reflectable?

[dusky canopy]

[craggy pilot]

i had healers who died in first 10seconds

[fresh igloo]

no

two different mechanics

[warm plinth]

The totem comes from the shaman, the blind comes from the bleed guy

Totem goes on healer, blind goes on tank

[fresh igloo]

well that just sounds like getting charged or whirlwinded or something.

[dusky canopy]

Whirlwinning

[craggy pilot]

i saw healers dying to white cast

😄

[outer mantle]

New to Prot, does Avatar/Demo shout increase the dmg my trinkets/Onyx Annulet do or is it just my own abilities like Thunderclap etc?

[strong forum]

no

iirc theres only 1 thing leftover in the game that can buff stuff item dmg

and thats havoc

[outer mantle]

Roger roger, ty

[warm plinth]

I believe Death Chakram still can as well but don't quote me on that

[craggy pilot]

lol, had the line charge go under the hill 😄

[craggy pilot]

havoc? the spec? or the warlock ability?

[crude notch]

Spec.

[daring marlin]

[crude notch]

Know Your Enemy.

[craggy pilot]

can we Spell Reflect the Consume debuff on 2nd boss Brackenhide?

seems like i did at least 🤔

kinda by accident 🤣

[daring marlin]

[craggy pilot]

i got eaten, came out, no debuff 🤔

i popped SR while inside the boss

[urban bane]

ive had that happen once or twice, but i always use SR when inside and it doesnt always happen

[craggy pilot]

tried to do it again 2nd time, but aparently the castbar is longer than the actual eat duration

[rustic shadow]

Starting mythic Roshok prog tonight, any tips?

[urban bane]

Were you being eaten for a long time?

[craggy pilot]

no clue honestly

what determines the consume length anyway?

[urban bane]

my working speculation is that sometimes dps can blast him and cause the eat phase to end quickly resulting in no debuff

but legit idk i havent been doin keys hardcore or anything

[crude notch]

He gets a shield burn the shield you get out.

[toxic pewter]

my guild cannot seem to get steady 20 for any raid its awful

[urban bane]

but it has happened to me a few times.

[drifting lance]

what % of blocked hits is expected in a key?

[sick sentinel]

did they fix the bug about sanguine appearing in 12 keys

or is that intended

[warm plinth]

The higher the better. I aim for 90+

[sick sentinel]

@dusky canopy

[tired girder]

What is recommended spec for trinkets on the vault?

[warm plinth]

It is not intended, and I don't know if it's been fixed. I don't do a lot of that range of keys.

[warm plinth]

Fury if you still need a 1h, arms if not

[drifting lance]

https://i.imgur.com/DplHs2H.png

was a hoi 22

[warm plinth]

That's acceptable

[tired girder]

Arms will be. Thank you

[daring marlin]

nerfed sanguini pretty cool

[crude notch]

You're pretty cool

[warm plinth]

gottem

[crude notch]

I had so much sanguine healing in FH earlier than I realized that 70% of it was Captain Jolly which made me chuckle

Nice coding

[daring marlin]

I got 4pc on my Warrior. Gotta try it out now.

[tired girder]

I see some streamers double shield slam.. How they do it? It's talent?

[crude notch]

Where's the Nome picture

I need it in fel hammer

[warm plinth]

What does that mean, double shield slam

[mighty valley]

are you just seeing an immediate devastator shield slam reset after a shield slam?

[warm plinth]

That's what my thinking is

[tired girder]

Shield charge... Typo from me.

Shield charge too in a row. How?

[pallid quiver]

hacks

You're probably mistaking a normal charge for shield charge

There's not a single thing in the game that affects shield charge's CD; that's locked at 45 seconds

[tired girder]

The details streaming shows the same symbol in a row

[warm plinth]

My guess is that it's showing one symbol for the initial hit and one for the AoE

[pallid quiver]

My best guess is it's processing the charge portion of shield charge separately from the damage instance

[warm plinth]

Or one for the damage and one for the stun

[pallid quiver]

or that

[tired girder]

Makes sense. Thanks

[modern gazelle]

what is the best sim to run?

[crude notch]

Or yo eyes broken

[toxic pewter]

is it true at the ultra high key levels do people stay in defensive stance the whole time or what

Like, I assume they are in it more than at lower keys I guess?

but prob not the whole time?

[warm plinth]

It's possible I suppose. But more likely they don't have to do it and are just to be safe.

[crude notch]

This season there's like almost no reason to go dstance.

[toxic pewter]

yeah I guess safety becomes more attractive though?

[crude notch]

That guy just don't know what he on about in fel hammer.

[toxic pewter]

Fair enough

[warm plinth]

Yeah I think it's more likely they don't want to lose the ~13-14% damage to be in defensive stance all the time.

[toxic pewter]

yah I think I am overthinking it, try to keep it simple 'am i about to take a shit load of damage? change stance' thats really all need to know regardless of key level I guess

[lusty grotto]

from the chest

[strong forum]

🥓

[lusty grotto]

ON MY FUCKING PALADIN

[toxic pewter]

grats

oh lmao well still grats

[lusty grotto]

FUCK MY LIFE

[warm plinth]

twinsies

[lusty grotto]

😢

[warm plinth]

Why are you mad about beacon

[lusty grotto]

but my main 😢

why must chip have such bad luck

[crude notch]

Is looking pink

[lusty grotto]

[daring marlin]

Might depend on pulls in keys

[near pewter]

Anyone have a weakaura for Prot 4pc?

[daring marlin]

And if you have CDs like wall or not

[crude notch]

Bstance all day erryday

[toxic pewter]

yeah I guess was just curious what people doing at the top key lvls

but doesnt really matter i guess

[strong forum]

duplicate a buff weakaura -> change trigger to earthen tenacity

voila

you now have made a new bufftracker

[warm plinth]

I'll duplicate your buff weakaura

gottem

[strong forum]

wish i was buff

but im just weak aura

[lusty grotto]

[young sapphire]

ayo, i made a cheap lil weakaura for tracking the new 4 set buff, if anyone wants it https://wago.io/l6Ri1qsx0

i couldnt find a good one on wago

[craggy pilot]

aw man i love when a chain holder dies on 2nd boss Neltharus 🙂

[sick sentinel]

lul, im signing up to keys groups as dps cuz i thought i was gunna try lfr today

not on the balll

[loud cave]

How bad are the absorb stones for the Annulet (with the DPS one included)?

[violet flume]

youre better oiff going with a regular ring afaik

everyone goes annulet for big damage

[quiet minnow]

Lfr is fun to tank if you are learning

Have you tanked the raid at all yet?

Honestly raid tanking can be reduced to basically “the wa/addon says taunt I taunt”. There’s a little more with positioning but it’s by no means hard

Also don’t need shit for gear tbh

[mighty valley]

genuinely surprised there's no fallback for this, it's one of the few actual one death = probable wipe mechanics

[craggy pilot]

yea the phase is healable, but then after the phase ends, he puts a dot on everyone that is just death

its so weird

[craggy pilot]

we had the guy who had Dragon Charge on him and got chain after die

so basically a wipe then 🙂

2 players start running to the Elephant boss after that 🤣

[mighty valley]

chain should stay in their corpse tbh

[craggy pilot]

which we already killed

what is the general play in that boss btw? is it 1-1-1 chain, or 2-1 or all 3 together?

and man that boss doesnt like to move

[mighty valley]

i kinda treat it like garrosh chains from sanctum

ideally they're all kinda close together so i can pop one, make sure the healer's keeping up, then keep going

[latent jungle]

decided to mess about with crit haste gone flat out in everything, practically 0 vers and feel great runnnig 20s am i just memeing myself and gimping myself not running vers instead of crit, sat at about 32% haste and 37% crit, buffed with phial and motw have about 10% vers.... would vers start pulling ahead of this hella fun crit build the higher i go in keys?

[craggy pilot]

does it do an explosion when it pops? or is it just the dot 🤔

[mighty valley]

nah you're fine, vers isn't magical

[craggy pilot]

because i think prolonging the dot is kinda bad

[mighty valley]

but if your vers is legit near zero it might be your best source of damage, check sims

[latent jungle]

i only have vers off the 4 set and phial most of the time lol will play about with it, see alot of peeps running vers and i feel fine in 20-22s im running with the bare minimum

[mighty valley]

there's an initial pop + dot

but the dot stacks

you're not refreshing it

[craggy pilot]

i mean you are refreshing it if you wait until 1 sec, then pop the 2nd no?

potentially you could make this dot last 12 seconds with 3 stacks 🤣

[mighty valley]

oh right, yeah

but 4s isn't that long

[craggy pilot]

but idk, i was thinking of doing 2-1, but the healer in my grp was like "no do 1-1-1"

and then he couldnt even spotheal the guy with Dragon Charge on him... :<

[craggy pilot]

true

isnt the guy doing peroidical AOE dmg until he is stunned also?

so not popping them fast might also make him do more dmg

[mighty valley]

he's doing aoe around him + throwing out lava splats

[craggy pilot]

So all dodgeable ye

[mighty valley]

it's safest if melee get out and just stretch their chains if the healer isn't confident

[craggy pilot]

Yup makes it so much easier

[mighty valley]

you need legit defensives to hang out near him

[warm plinth]

How I was shown to do it and it works very well, is you mark 3 markers on one side of the room, and tell dps to drop them there and run directly across

so you just have a wall of 3 chains

And you just drag through, stop, drag through, stop, drag through

Or pop multiple if healer can do it

[mighty valley]

yeah that's good

the pug way is three random points around the room

and then keep moving, constantly, forever

[warm plinth]

lol, yep

What's worst is when I'm not tanking, and the tank thinks it's the dps's job to break the chains instead of him or her

they just plant themselves in the middle of the room and wait

[sick sentinel]

group blew up to first boss VP some how

DH says he'll get drums, doesn't use them

[warm plinth]

100% chance they were just eating orbs to the face

[sick sentinel]

druid healer death

[daring marlin]

absolute champion

[sick sentinel]

dh died right before this, got brez died again looks like

[warm plinth]

Shocking

Actually worse than getting hit by the orb

He got hit by the cyclones that barely move

[craggy pilot]

when i tried to actually move the boss, he just stood there in the middle 😄

hes really awkward in the chain fase i feel

[warm plinth]

It's because if you move like 1 inch away from him he fucking jumps at you and goes right over the chain

It's super fuckin annoying

[craggy pilot]

just weird boss all together

Forgemaster oneshot me because my Charge couldnt go off for some reason

so i didnt get out of the circle

[warm plinth]

For what it's worth, if you didn't know, you can just start running forward as soon as you land and you can get out of the circle without any mobility

[craggy pilot]

yea but then i dont get the free rage from Charging 😄

[warm plinth]

True, just sayin lol

[craggy pilot]

but yea if theres a risk of charge not going off like this i will change it ofc

also last boss still feels so weird with the items

kinda sad i didnt get to try it today because people left when its over time

[warm plinth]

Did you end up finding out why it didn't go off?

[craggy pilot]

idk if it was just me being too slow pressing it

or range issue

[warm plinth]

:pepehands

[soft plume]

does the zaqali chaos grapnel only do dmg if i leap away first to get pulled in or like does it jsut suck

[lusty grotto]

?

it does damage at any range

and it does not suck

[soft plume]

okay so it just sucks got it

[warm plinth]

it does not suck

[craggy pilot]

what 🤣

[warm plinth]

If you do use it from range, make sure you don't charge

[soft plume]

oh shit nvm i just saw it does two different instances of dmg on details

[warm plinth]

Because it'll cancel the damage

[dusky canopy]

WHIRLWINNING

[crude notch]

any whirlwinders in chat

[craggy pilot]

i always whirlwind when i have more rage than i can spend on Revenge

gotta get that rage out fast boi

and i play Barbaric Training too

bis talent

[toxic pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-redford-jeremiah-johnson-nodding-yes-nod-of-approval-gif-21066931

[craggy pilot]

had a guildie say to me Intimidating Shout was garbage, and thats why he didnt pick it for our M+ grp (he was Arms) 🤔

what are they being taught in these Arms guides

[cerulean tusk]

Legends say they hit up the guides in the icyveins comments. They speak words of wisdom like, don't take intishout... For it is a o.1% DPS loss.

[craggy pilot]

its Intimidating Shout vs +15 max rage 🤣

[warm plinth]

It took us forever to convince yogi to to use Intim shout

[cerulean tusk]

Max rage will let you gain more DPS on ragecaps, trust in minmax sims. Follow the words of PuGbrain law.... Thy shall only care about thou DPS

I still remember pulling CoS imps with pack - calling for the AoE stop, only to have two warriors go "I don't take intishout". Good memories.

[daring marlin]

bruh

lmao

goofy weekly

[warm plinth]

ez avoidance

[toxic pewter]

Gentlemen. You are chatting with the one and only apb on discord

[warm plinth]

congrats

[toxic pewter]

Ty

[warm plinth]

yes it works

[toxic pewter]

Lol whoa

Awkward

LOLZ

[warm plinth]

I will now hack your bank account using voice recognition

brb

[toxic pewter]

Omg LOL

[daring marlin]

arms owns

[crude notch]

You own

[dusky canopy]

War owns

[daring marlin]

huehuehue

[crude notch]

why you weird

[daring marlin]

why not

it does

[daring marlin]

the sky

[daring marlin]

[warm plinth]

are you a radio DJ?

how are you guys even doing those lol

[daring marlin]

phone lol

[warm plinth]

ohhh

[dusky canopy]

Cant even log in for a weekly key without being harrassed

https://tenor.com/view/ugh-jason-orlean-jonah-hill-dont-look-up-im-so-tired-gif-24584749

[toxic pewter]

Oh by the ads?

[warm plinth]

report

[dusky canopy]

LOL ye

[toxic pewter]

Yah that’s just normal

[dusky canopy]

oh dont worry i do

im petty about those fuckers advertising in my space

do it in chat like youre supposed to

not in lfg

[daring marlin]

I rapid fire report those

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/high-five-secret-handshake-gif-24763988

[sand pebble]

Wait a minute! Does typing 19 20 21 also show 18 and 22 keys?

[dusky canopy]

no

You put the key level you want to see in the middle

[sand pebble]

So just type 20

Will show 19 and 21

[dusky canopy]

correct

[sand pebble]

Forgive me for being triggered but why type 19 20 21 lol

[warm plinth]

idk

[dusky canopy]

i only want to do 20s

[warm plinth]

He can just type 19 and 21 and it would do the same thing

[dusky canopy]

for weekly farm

doesnt matter witch one

oh wait ghash really?

[warm plinth]

yeah

[dusky canopy]

i didnt realise that

thought you had to have the middle number

huh thanks learned something new today 😄

[toxic pewter]

If I want to see 21 I just type 21-21

[crude notch]

Just put "FH 17-20"

or "NL 19-21"

[daring marlin]

man fuck them healers

[dusky canopy]

I did know about the name thing though

🙂

[daring marlin]

I wanna figure out how to do this on my pc

lmao

[uneven mason]

:nomgusted:

still isn't in

[crude notch]

:pepehands:

smh

[daring marlin]

HI JORDAN

[toxic pewter]

[prisma crane]

anyone know why i lose like 9k HP and get it back when i relog?

[hollow hill]

do you have any items from the diablo thing in your inventory?

could be a delay in the extra stamina getting added

[frozen rose]

does anyone have any advice regarding mythic experiments? im typically doing fine, and then about minute 3, shit gets terrible, when Rio and Thal are up. I've been at 4 stacks, and literally drop from like 80% hp to 0. Where that sort of stacks on the beginning of fight, really not much of a problem. I'm now rolling full defense trinks, spell block. I always end up burning thru all my emergency CDz too around that time trying to stay alive

also, with rio and thal, its often one tank get up to like 6 stacks, maybe even 7, before the raid wide dot is off and we can clear. Kinda sux

[crude notch]

So IP wasn't reducing it?

[frozen rose]

i imagine it was

evidently not enough

i mean i dont think theres an answer. just wanted to know if theres some specific mechanic i'm screwing up

[crude notch]

bro

my comment wasn't in response to you

m'bad

[hollow hill]

really enjoying pulling using beacon to the beyond and starting fights at the top of the meter lol

[warm plinth]

I assume it was affecting the actual ability but not the explosion after the debuff runs out?

Or it was working but it was not considering the mitigation in the groupwide damage calculation

[crude notch]

it worked against the claw but didn't count towards the blast calculation, correct.

[daring marlin]

haha warrior on sark go brrrrrrrrrr

[crude notch]

So basically it'll be easier for healers to heal it going forward

[tired sphinx]

is the crafted shield with shadowflame armor patch the best shield we can get? trying to decide to use aspect crest with that or the belt

[violet flume]

pretty much, you can put bis stats on it too

[tired sphinx]

gotcha. so cant go wrong then

[toxic pewter]

That’s what I use

[violet flume]

actually seems like theres a 450 shield from mythic echo of nelth but thats just a 3ilevel difference

up to you

[tired sphinx]

yeah but im not going to be doing mythic nel. so thats out lol

[daring marlin]

this game is bad

I won the roll for boots from mag

and because I upgraded them to 441 before they were bound to me they didn't give me the heroic appearance

???

[tired sphinx]

im trying to get a health set of haste/crit and haste/verse. worth just going with crit? im doing both raiding and m+

[daring marlin]

just do haste/crit

vers isn't necessary

[worn vine]

not having vers makes my skin hurt

[tired sphinx]

good to know. ty

[daring marlin]

[toxic pewter]

Doesn’t upgrading item make it bound to you right then or am I wrong

[daring marlin]

I certainly thought so

It might be because I instantly made it 441

[toxic pewter]

That is fucked up

[daring marlin]

like from the dropdown

[toxic pewter]

Even if you do straight to 441 it still cycles through each level I thought

Sort of like 5 in a row

[daring marlin]

got me bro

[warm plinth]

weird

[toxic pewter]

Something weird

[daring marlin]

I have the mythic appearance but not the heroic

goofy game

[toxic pewter]

Maybe open a ticket perhaps they can make it right

[daring marlin]

I have my doubts!

[crude notch]

https://tenor.com/view/taylor-swift-loser-eye-roll-gif-12330351

[daring marlin]

omegalul

[toxic pewter]

Fuk

Just ridiculous lol

Thank you for spreading this message at least so doesn’t happen to others

[daring marlin]

I have owned myself

trying to pug keys as dps is whack

[crude notch]

HEHHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEH

oops

wrong reply

oh well

[daring marlin]

jordan what key do you have

[crude notch]

19 BH dad

[daring marlin]

let's BRICK IT

[warm plinth]

You should brick it

And strim for content

[crude notch]

19 BH, 16 BH, 11 VP, 9 BH, 9 HOI

[daring marlin]

many keys

[quiet minnow]

Was ripping 103k overall going into bh last boss with 10 mins left and proceed to deplete and disband

Saddest day of my life

[crude notch]

nice

[quiet minnow]

Not huge dam compared to some but I was stoked to break 6 digits

Another time

[pure goblet]

Do you have any tips on tanking experiments?

[frozen rose]

@pure goblet Mythic ? Cause I myself am having problems surviving the last two boss overlap . 6 stacks real problems, run outa defense cd

[pure goblet]

yea Mythic, It is very hard tank

all dmg is magic

[frozen rose]

My co tank is a Druid too lol. I’ve focused it down to the problem boss, Rio, he sends out stacks much more rapidly . Ideally a tank good at magic dot damage holds him. In my case, feels like we kinda screwed

Whoever is on rio is going to be getting stacks up to 6 or 7. You’re gona burn thru all ur defensive as quickly at that rate

Then u die

Maybe u survive if healer happens to have not used their external already lol

To make u feel better, a lot of kill videos I’m seeing tanks go down and get brezd

[pure goblet]

we have monk healer and I get bubbles all the time

[frozen rose]

Part of our issue is healed have to burn a lot of externals on the dispell foek to keep ‘em alive

@pure goblet I have no answer for you as I myself am stuck on that. Our raid is typically dying to other reasons, but maybe 30% of our wipes are due to our Druid tank dying a bit more than me, but also me.

@pure goblet are you finding spell block works? Pin spreadsheet says it does. I’m using it, but I def would not say it completely blocks the damage. If at all lol. Doesn’t feel that way…

[pure goblet]

idk, I havent used it

I thought it was useless

[warm plinth]

Spell Block does not work that way. It's literally block, for spells.

It does not completely block the damage.

Just like regular block does not prevent all the damage

Also, logs would be much more helpful than speculation.

[ionic fern]

What on earth

@strong forum

[frozen rose]

@warm plinth confirmed spell blocks works tho on this fight?....it would then..prevent the stacks of infused strikes?

seems doubtful

according to spreadsheet it does. No way tho that's happening from what I'm seeing. That would be 30 seconds u could ignore the stacking

[warm plinth]

That is not how blocking works.

[tame jasper]

oh oh @ionic fern angry in the morning 😮 All to cover!

[warm plinth]

Do you know how regular block works?

Like physical blocking

[frozen rose]

right. So the question of...does spell block work for infused strikes....no, it does not. correct?

[warm plinth]

It does. But you are misunderstanding how blocking works.

[toxic pewter]

60 percent of the time, it blocks every time

[frozen rose]

"you are able to block spells"

[ionic fern]

Oh, no, not yet. Been a horrible morning tho.

[warm plinth]

er excuse me

[tame jasper]

😦 Hope it will get better soon!

[warm plinth]

You can't SPELL block infused strike

But you can block the physical portion

[frozen rose]

Okay. thanks. yeah, useless then prety much lol

for that fight

[warm plinth]

But blocking does not prevent anything. Whether spell block or regular.

It mitigates

[urban portal]

any effects will still occur

you are thinking of parrying

where the effects do not occur

[frozen rose]

def getting rid of it for expimrents. infused strikes says only arcane damage

might roll defender's aegis moving forward for more shield wall uptime in that horrible window with both boss

[ionic fern]

No.

You have 100% up-time on the boss (for the majority of the fight) You will get more out of Impenetrable.

Rogues/warlocks/DK's can apply their auto-attack slows on the boss which will help.

Clear asap.

[quiet minnow]

Maybe try immovable object?

Gives you another wall in ava

[frozen rose]

Okay, its just honestly the only dangerous window is when rio and Thadrion are up. Because Rio casts infused strikes very rapidly

[ionic fern]

Don't tank the dragon (3rd boss). Tank the 2nd boss when they are both down.

[crude notch]

Or just try understanding on tank defensives work in the game and you'll be better at mitigating damage.

[frozen rose]

problem is my co tank is a druid lol. so both of us suck at this type of damage

[crude notch]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[urban portal]

druid is fine

[crude notch]

HUH

What

OH HELL NAH

[frozen rose]

i run out of my emergency CDz quite fast at minute 3

[ionic fern]

Druid should chill there.

[frozen rose]

at 6 stacks im in a danger spot, which is where i end up becasue of the raid wide dot. again, only danger window is when thadrion and rionthus are up. at mintue 3...er 3:10

[ionic fern]

I honestly don't know their names.

Is that the 2nd/3rd boss?

I guess?

[frozen rose]

its the last 2

rio is the last one

[frozen rose]

lol. my bad. i mean i dont play druid

i just base this off what i hear

[ionic fern]

Okay so:
-Warlocks/Rogues/DK's can apply attack-speed slows on the boss which stack. If you got them, let them apply them, it reduces the stacks of Infused Strikse.
-Use Defensive stance at higher stacks.
-Use a defensive trinket if you have/feel like you need it.
-Clear stacks with your co-tank asap.
-Call for an external when you have 4+ stacks and nothing to attack.
-Don't tank Rionthus.

[frozen rose]

this druid dies faster than me on this one

@ionic fern thanks for those details. You think a druid tank is better for rion than me tho??

[crude notch]

If he knows how to play it's equal

But then again that's also true for pwar

[quiet minnow]

Side a nice way to find what other pwar are doing is to go to wcl as well and just snag a log from a war and look at cast timeline

I do it for dps a lot too

If you want more info too outside of what ppl say here

It’s kinda fun to look at imo

[ionic fern]

I want to say yes, but i'm not actively playing druid, just going by what i've read/heard from druid players.
You do have to let your healers know that you're going to get wrecked during that fight.

I was also using a defensive trinket / defensive stance / all externals on that fight when we first killed it.

Spicy.

Remember to use SR on CD.

And feed rage into IP.

[rustic tinsel]

FE on prot warrior was a doozy

[ionic fern]

Indeed it was.

[frozen rose]

@ionic fern yeah i went full defense trinks. prob can squeeze out more IP as im so used to spamming revenge

[rustic tinsel]

Isn’t Zskarn pretty similar if not worse

[ionic fern]

Je, you can spam Revenge later on re-kills.

[frozen rose]

prob worse but there are windows of tanking at least. ur not ALWYS tanking

[ionic fern]

Worse.

[rustic tinsel]

Since you can’t spell block that dot either

[ionic fern]

Well, worse, if you are 2 tanking it.

If you are 3 tanking it's kinda w/e.

[rustic tinsel]

Yeah I’m getting a different tank ready bc prot feels not gr8 on some of these bosses

I’m also just shit

[ionic fern]

Same.

We're all bad.

[rustic tinsel]

FE was an eye opener though, shit was so easy on a ratty dh compared to pwar

Granted that was farm vs prog

[ionic fern]

I like Rashok tho. Has a nice balance.

Experiments was horrid.

[crude notch]

👀

[shut summit]

just looking at random log, you sometimes toggle off stance and arent in battle/defensive at all, should watch that

https://i.imgur.com/cU4kLkA.png
https://i.imgur.com/a933dNG.png

[ionic fern]

Everyone holding their breaht right now thinking who Sense means.

(including me).

[rustic tinsel]

[ionic fern]

Fhew..not me.

[shut summit]

almost 1k rage diff generated in same timeframe between you and me, prolly hit buttons more

[daring marlin]

[frozen rose]

@shut summit thx for looking up. May have fat fingered and not realized lol

[rustic tinsel]

Use the macro

Should prevent that happening

[shut summit]

fight 100% sucks for us and definitely need handholding more than other bosses but buncha small things like that add up

i have a bigass text WA that says NO STANCE cuz no way in hell i'd notice that either mid combat

[crude notch]

samesies

and i don't even play warr lol

[final mist]

youre nicer to yourself than I am

I have a couple for that stuff

"NICE STANCE, U FUCKIN IDIOT"

[warm plinth]

Just to clarify this since I have seen a few people confused lately:

How Block Works:

▫️ Blocking, despite how its name may sound, is a mitigation tool. It does not completely prevent damage like dodge and parry do. It also will not prevent any negative status effects, such as DoTs or debuffs.
▫️ Your base chance to block is dictated by a base percentage + your mastery. Using Shield Block increases that chance to 100%, which is why maximum uptime is important when tanking, and why we don't stack mastery to get higher block chance. In addition, the vast majority of your damage taken (especially in Mythic+) is from melees, which are always blockable.
▫️ The amount you block is based on a combination of the item level (block value) of your shield and certain talents that increase this value by a percentage. Because of this, it is incredibly important to always use the highest ilevel shield you can get.
▫️ Spell Block grants you the ability to block spells, but it does not guarantee blocking by itself. This means you still need to maintain Shield Block during the duration of Spell Block to guarantee that it blocks spells. See the spreadsheet here: https://tinyurl.com/TWWreflects to learn the mechanics that are blockable, spell blockable, and spell reflectable.
▫️ Protection's mastery enables critical blocking, which gives a chance to double the amount of damage that block mitigates (up to a cap of 85% reduction). For whatever reason, Spell Block bypasses this cap. Thus, when Spell Block crit blocks, it can and will sometimes mitigate all of the damage, rather than part of it.

[crude notch]

:block:

[ionic fern]

What's the base chance to block?

[warm plinth]

I believe it's 30% but don't quote me on that

[ionic fern]

[crude notch]

"Base chance to block is 30%" - Ghash

Too late you've been quoted

[ionic fern]

It's not 30%.

But i won't quote you.

[warm plinth]

There's a base chance god damnit. I didn't specify it because I wasn't sure and it's irrelevant anyway

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

Meanies

[brittle owl]

ghash

never forget

[ionic fern]

How is the block value calculated from the shield?

[warm plinth]

It's on the shield

[ionic fern]

It has a formula to it.

[warm plinth]

Your block reduction has a formula, but not block value

[ionic fern]

What's the mastery coef for our block?

[warm plinth]

Unless you mean the increases from talents

[crude notch]

Base block chance is 5%, right?

[warm plinth]

I was trying to keep it simple, not write a thesis

[ionic fern]

😂

[brittle owl]

thesis my diq

[ionic fern]

I'm just being mean.

❤️

[warm plinth]

❤️

[warm plinth]

Yeah I looked it up; it does appear to be 5%

I'm probably thinking of old block that was a set 30% reduction

[crude notch]

that'd be a short thesis

[brittle owl]

did you just assume i have a thesis

[ionic fern]

Funnily enough, iirc block value = 2x armor on the shield.

[warm plinth]

Oh interesting. I never even thought to compare the two

[crude notch]

imma nitro boost this server so that i look like someone of importance

[warm plinth]

I do know that for some fucking reason, you have to own a shield to see the block on it. Even wowhead doesn't show it

[ionic fern]

1.5 for critblock, 0.5 for block.

Sharing knowledge, take it and never use it.

[warm plinth]

[crude notch]

Any master stackers in chat?

We just love crit blocking

[warm plinth]

Obviously you need to stack mastery so you can guarantee crit blocking

[crude notch]

:masterystackers:

For legal purposes, we're joking, don't stack mastery

[ionic fern]

Joke all you want. Avatar being a defensive CD with 3x BoM was huge.

[quiet minnow]

…..unless?

[warm plinth]

RIP BoM

[quiet minnow]

This was to Jordan

[warm plinth]

My favorite part of BoM was explaining to people that no, we don't want to stack mastery, but also telling them to take BoMx3

[ionic fern]

My favourite part was coming here arguing with people about 3xBoM and 3xDC.

[warm plinth]

lol

[frozen rose]

@ionic fern is getting a second dot to the raid that big of a thing? Or…let’s say I’m at 6 stack but got like 5 seconds left of the raid dot. Preferable to just give the raid a second stack? Or hell na

[ionic fern]

Depends when and depends on your healers.

Ideally you wouldn't.

[ionic fern]

but we did it a few times.,

[daring marlin]

[crude notch]

Bear almost had a BoM level strong azerite power with Vision of Perfection. But then they changed it to proc incarn instead of survival Instincts

Saj

[waxen vale]

Looking at top logs of 20s we aren't excelling in dam vs other tanks. I was a little surprised. It's not bad, but a paladin did more

I figured especially after buff did be better

Am i looking in wrong place

[crude notch]

PWar is better... than they were.

[dull zodiac]

going from Mythic experiments to Rashok felt great, I cant agree more with u

Experiments imo is one of the very worst fights ive ever experienced, not in terms of difficulty, its just annoying and not enjoyable at all

[crude notch]

IDK this PWar did more damage https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3pNXmwKhBYvPfQDk#fight=7&type=damage-done than every one of the PPals I've looked at on an equal footing key

Maybe stop looking at bad PWars?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

TIL Jakey is in the same guild as Kele

[warm plinth]

Who is Kele

[crude notch]

@silent comet

A dreamgrove frequenter

Everything makes sense now both saucy

both kinda cute

[restive scroll]

That 'd be a nice pin ;)

[silent comet]

Hello dat me

[crude notch]

Hello qt

how you been?

[silent comet]

Just sleeping tbh

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[ionic fern]

Ban him.

[jagged pier]

i agree

C:

[restive scroll]

did they remove the magmatusk vial / trick?

[warm plinth]

a while ago, yes

[restive scroll]

oh, ok :/

[cinder monolith]

Prot warr feelin real nice on nelth prog yknow

Damage you can do now is lovely also

[crude notch]

@warm plinth STATS

There's a noticeable jump for raids where the end boss was killed before first reset

[tepid nest]

They nerfed the boss at the same time

[restive scroll]

Oh, I missed that patch note, thanks !

My groups keep dying (18, 17, 14...), whichever level I'm in, so I was wondergin

[loud wave]

Is heart of Thunder simming properly ?

[jagged pier]

dont think so

[oblique kayak]

it’s either not simming right or didn’t work right ingame

[crude notch]

It doesn't sim right but also your details will deceive you because what you gain in the damage sheet you also lose some from it not being a mainstat trinket. Obviously the mainstat loss of a trinket is dependent on the proc itself (see Whetstone) for if it's worth, but just keep it in mind

[crude notch]

Mwahi said he likes it.

[cinder monolith]

Hate to be that guy

But Rashok isn’t easier

Fun fight, boss doesn’t fuck about tho

[nimble sluice]

So after winning a 444 [Voice of the Silent Star] I realised it has no stam, is it best to use it still or using a normal 441+ cloak that has stam if you are pushing higher keys?

[limpid anchor]

What are higher keys

[nimble sluice]

20+

[limpid anchor]

Then voice

[nimble sluice]

I assume that at that point the extra dps is more required than the 50k hp?

[limpid anchor]

The extra hp is only needed if you can’t survive without it

And in 99% it’s not the reason you die

[nimble sluice]

Fair enough, ty

[ionic fern]

Rashok is super easy vs Experiments.

It has burst magic/physical damage at set intervals which we excell at.

[cinder monolith]

Ah was taking it as an overall prog standpoint not just a prot warrior standpoint

[twin bramble]

Returning player here. I’ve been playing m+ for a few months and feel like I have it down for the most part doing 16s and higher. I tried to join guild for raid last night and did fine, but noticed I was having rage generation problems to a point where I had some downtime where I couldn’t cast anything, or have shield block/ignore pain up. When playing ST raid build, am I supposed to be playing anything differently from m+ build?

[ionic fern]

No, the priority is the same. SS->TC and CD's on CD.

Usually when it comes to rage issues it's a combination of two things:
-Not pressing your Rage generators on CD (SS/TC)
-Spamming too much Ignore Pain.

Can be easily clarifier if you have a log.

[twin bramble]

thanks! I suspected spamming too much ignore pain.

Do you pop it at a certain amount of extra rage, or where bar runs out? Or do you stop using sb/ip when other tank has aggro? @ionic fern

[proper lantern]

Hello friends. Is there a recommended build for starting out in m+ with bad gear (ilvl 408)?

[long chasm]

Usually hit IP @ 70+ energy only.

[pallid quiver]

IP as default is used as your off-GCD rage dump, so you use it to avoid overcapping rage

Roughly in the range of 60-100 rage, since, depending on talents, that's the range where you'll cap rage

It ends up covering all day-to-day utility you could ever want from IP while allowing you to spend the rest of the rage on revenge, which effectively is cheaper than IP due to resetting SS

[loud wave]

Do You think it would be better to use heart of thuner or becon to the beyond in m+? Both 441 ilvl, hard to tell since heart is not simming

[pallid quiver]

If you don't have tier pieces, you'll use the build in pins, but without bolster and ITF on HR instead. Otherwise, build in pins

[hardy snow]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[loud wave]

I am using Mark of Dargul as 2nd trinket

[pallid quiver]

Prot Warrior's talents are very syngergistic and are very strong when put together properly. Unfortunately, this means the build is very inflexible. So there's no beginner build or anything like that.

[twin bramble]

Even if you don’t have it up currently? Thanks! That’s my prob. Probably because I’m used to infinite rage in m+

[proper lantern]

Thank you

[pallid quiver]

It just slows the amount of damage you take, effectively, and most meaningful damage in raid is telegraphed and can be covered with defensives/externals/comp decisions/etc. IP is good to use, but you shouldn't really have major rage issues, and you don't take much damage in the first place, so it lasts longer than you would expect

On top of that, even in ST, as long as you're using all of your CDs on CD, you'll have it up quite often.

Also, as a note, you'll keep using IP even when not actively taking damage, as it's a part of your damage rotation to spend your rage

[uneven mason]

IT WORKS!

[jagged pier]

[uneven mason]

@dusky canopy

[lime urchin]

energy? ENERGY??

[craggy pilot]

what do i get for 2500?

just got the item, but i have no idea what it did

[lime urchin]

A fun experience!

[unique kelp]

If it's the same as the last season, it unlocks the "glow" for your tier sets (all levels).

[craggy pilot]

cant find it in the transmog view 🤔

i guess i need to get the transmog first

have done barely any Raid

[unique kelp]

The tooltip specifically says:

Use: Infuse your armor with a faint echo of the Earth Warders power, unlocking additional visual effects for certain Aberrus, the Shadowed Crucible class set appearances.

This effect is account-wide.

[proper roost]

yeah you still need to actually acquire each tierset transmog

It's just the mythic effects on each transmog, since normally LFR/normal/heroic tierset doesn't have the glowy shit that mythic tier does

Mfw I forgot to actually equip tier chest before I upgraded it to 441 so i still don't have the heroic transmog

[unique kelp]

If only getting Mythic apperances unlocked the lower difficulties...

[urban bane]

think there's any chance immovable object is worth it on mythic experiments?

am progging it on my bdk alt, but i think the raid would benefit from another rally more than an amz

but fight is just painge for pwar the few times i pulled it before swapping to bdk

[waxen vale]

There are no public logs of mythic sark lol

For prot warrior?

[dusky canopy]

@ionic fern THE GOAT

https://tenor.com/view/a-fistful-of-dollars-clint-eastwood-man-with-no-name-hat-tip-gif-4268634

[strong forum]

its one of the least popular tanks

[proper roost]

i'm like 90% sure the majority of people still playing pwar in S1 had a prot pally alt ready to go for the start of s2

[strong forum]

you got 2 vdhs and 1 bear who public logged it

[proper roost]

which is why we just had a giga massive dropoff right then

and were just playing pwar to finish out the tier

[strong forum]

pwar is only played if its perceived as literally #1

if its not #1 you wont see people play it

thats just how it works

[dusky canopy]

I prefer when its not #1

[strong forum]

nobody likes being #1

[dusky canopy]

feels cooler

[strong forum]

cuz it comes with alot of unpleasant people

rn is perfect for us

tied for #2 spot

[dusky canopy]

[uneven mason]

Theworst

[quiet minnow]

Dps loss but you’d think another wall would help

[uneven mason]

But without the fotm guys we have far less entertaining discussions here, like, "I've got more CE than god" and "but the top warrior does this, you're only #5 world" and "but revenge isn't 360 so how do you rage mobs hitting you in the back"

[quiet minnow]

Cause you couldn’t send wall offensively but still. I like wall I ran it in a key for fun and was so fuckin beefy and didn’t feel like much less dps

[strong forum]

UF isnt much of a dps gain

[quiet minnow]

Can’t hit most of the tcs I wants in Ava before anyways

[strong forum]

ESPECIALLY in raid

so like IO is super playable

[uneven mason]

So to speak in this a little, especially for raid, true you won't save wall as an offensive CD but as long as you're sending wall near cd the DPS loss is minimal between io and uf

And grabbing io is way better than double wall

[frozen rose]

@shut summit or, to anyone who has an answer. Since the only window i find lethal is the overlap of the last two bosses, I'm using Ward of faceless ire and chromatic essence. I also have an enduring Dreadplate. Would that not be a better choice? Another emergency survival CD for that window of horror? I asked a similar question earlier about using defender's aegis for that reason, that was shot down a bit as a bad idea

mythic experiments we're talkin bout

[quiet minnow]

Yeah that sounds pretty nice. I was surprised by how few wars play io since you end up with a wall every like 20-30s which is kinda nuts

[quiet minnow]

That’s good to know. I don’t do a ton of raid tanking but I’ll keep it in mind for the couple bosses a shorter cd would be nice on

Wall with like bark skin cd 🤌

[craggy pilot]

i have a Prot Pala alt, but im back to the warrior and straight up just feel more tanky

on Paladin my HP going like a yoyo

[quiet minnow]

With io and spell block you could have a solid like 54 seconds of reduced or blocked magic dmg

Enough to maybe double up last pack neltharus if feeling a little risky

[proper roost]

i hate doubling that pack because the dps never focus correct targets

and you rely on a ranged kick for the lavamancer

i mean it sucks to do them separate but never trust caster kicks

[uneven mason]

Reread dread plate, the per hit absorb is pretty small

[dusky canopy]

man i must suck ass at diablo man

this venard fight as barb is insane

i even tried to over level it LMAO

[uneven mason]

Everything scales?

[dusky canopy]

Ye but like more skill pts

better potion

[uneven mason]

Melee get absolutely shit on early game

Legit leveled as wolf/bear hybrid druid and if I got clipped outside of bear I'd explode

Are you trying it on veteran?

[dusky canopy]

Nice i beat it just now

took me like 7 or 8 trys

anytime you touch anything red you become vulnerable

and then the mobs were smackin me

[uneven mason]

Yup

[dusky canopy]

haha

but i got it

[uneven mason]

Lots of dodging

[dusky canopy]

im assuming melee will get better with gear, in beta i did sorc becuase i didnt want to spoil barb play through

and sorc just nuked everything ez mode

lol

[uneven mason]

It does with points and gear, you can still get wrecked though if you stand in bad and some bosses are hard to get into melee with

[dusky canopy]

I'll just have to get gud kid

xD

[hardy snow]

ask for externals (especially last seconds before clearing), maybe rethink moments of clearing dot, for example clear earlier during 2nd boss only so you can start clearing earlier in the hard phase etc
also think with your co-tank who should take which boss, after spawning 3rd boss usually gives more stacks than 2nd so its better that class with more tools for mitigating this dot takes 3rd guy
from def trinkets for raid cragshaper is pretty good as its 1min cd only and helps smooths dmg intake especially from such dots (and there are 6/9 bosses with magic dot), dreadplate is bad, especially for this moment as there is lot of

[sick sentinel]

lightning - 1 yogi - 0

[hardy snow]

i see lots of health still there, so you good to go

[sick sentinel]

deaths is comically tall because i was checking all the deaths from a key last night

i didn't even hit my SW or LS for that, what was i thinking

[quiet minnow]

leap yogi leap!

[cinder storm]

Yogi, Do you know how to avoid the slow?

[sick sentinel]

well, there is a 360 animation around him with an undefined ending radius, and, there is something about a jump, or a dispell

without opening the game or a website to look it up

thats what my answer is

[cinder storm]

Right, as soon as he's about to finish his cast you jump

[sick sentinel]

avatar, but is there some potion for it?

incase i don't jump and i don't get dispelled also

[torn gulch]

You have to jump

I wait until the bar is at 0.5s normally

And jump

Works every time

[sick sentinel]

wind mechanics are bullshit in every game

[torn gulch]

Is that second boss?

[quiet minnow]

yogi if you have weakauras this weakaura here :https://wago.io/dfdungeons

[torn gulch]

I had problems on it week one until I learned that I can just stay in the middle and rotate the boss to always be on buff side

[quiet minnow]

is extremely helpful. it also includes an aura that will show a green bar when you can jump

[tame jasper]

this yes

[woven dove]

I am having a Hard time finding a talent from the cookie cutter build to Exchange for spell block any ideas?

[uneven mason]

The bolster tier build?

[woven dove]

Yeah exactly

[uneven mason]

#protection message

It's touched on here

[proper roost]

haven't gotten that far into the game yet (only at act 3, going sequentially) but seems like since none of the (at least solo) boss fights really have any enrage or even soft enrage mechanics, you can just get away with playing GIGA safe and being boring as

it's pretty cringe to play like that tho

[woven dove]

Ah okay yeah it looks Kinda cursed tbh

[daring bolt]

how is the new shield (impact buckler) vs frostfire belt/shadowflame for M+?

[uneven mason]

It's bad

[daring bolt]

ah thats sad, thanks

[oak ivy]

does this make us even more cash money for that fight

IP and what not

[tropic star]

I think somone mentioned, buyt the 3rd boss has no real spellqueue or long casts so when they are down they just gigga stack. So if your cotank handles dots better ideally they take this guy and you hold bos2 until he ded. Highest damage intake for me was when 2nd boss was doing violent eruption. i typically am at like 5 stacks, cant clear yet so i save wall for when he casts it. Just my experience with it. Then my bubble trinket is jut an oh shit buttton in case we get high and have a few secs until we can clear.

[uneven mason]

So I had put my loot spec on prot for some reason, I think a m+ trinket and forgot, so I opened the heroic box hoping for a bigger anvil or something and instead get the badass looking shield, great for transmog, bad compared to the upgraded crafted shield I'm already using

[proper roost]

it's alright, transmog is the true endgame

s2 gear is ephemeral by its nature

transmog is forever

[restive scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-get-this-party-started-yeah-extremely-excited-kid-gif-15246266

[toxic pewter]

Which tank has most group utility: vengeance dh, prot warr, or brewmaster

[sick sentinel]

most of the DH sigils are self serving or generic boring, so not DH imo

[toxic pewter]

The silence sigil seems pretty good I guess

[cinder storm]

I would say DH for the above reason

[sick sentinel]

darkness is cool, , but i feel like everthing else about DH, both specs, is memememmeme all about me

[cinder storm]

And you can make some skips safer with imprison

[toxic pewter]

Oh ya I forgot about darkness even

Yeah imprison is strong as hell

[sick sentinel]

imprison is the best CC in the game

[dusky canopy]

BrM has a good amount of utility

detox

leg sweep

paral

[sick sentinel]

banish and sheep close seconds

[dusky canopy]

ring

roll

transcendance

[toxic pewter]

Chaos brand vs mystic touch vs battle shout hmmm

[sick sentinel]

ring is cool yeah, wtf is a transcendence

in wow

[dusky canopy]

it allows them to place an image of themselves

and they can teleport to it

same way locks thing works

[toxic pewter]

Hmmm

What group buff you think strongest of the three

Can depend I guess

[dusky canopy]

vdh easily

everything is magical or holy damage these days

not much physical

[toxic pewter]

Yah people do seem to like chaos brand

[dusky canopy]

ofc its subjective but i find monk way more fun than vdh

[violet flume]

i never really read a gujide on vdh but it feels so bad in M+

delayed blast on spirit bomb

[toxic pewter]

I find both fun, but I cannot seem to enjoy spirit bomb I know people love it but I don’t really like playing it

Ya

[violet flume]

lack of on demand instant aoe

[toxic pewter]

It’s weird though most people seem to apparently like spirit bomb lol

[violet flume]

spirit bomb should explode instantly

[dusky canopy]

for me its just that the class is designed around kiting

i do not like kiting

[violet flume]

i feel VDH would be fine in a raid context but M+ nope

same with BDK

[dusky canopy]

i also havent given it a shot in DF but in SL thats how it was totally

[toxic pewter]

Ya when I played vdh I found if I messed up my defensives I would be in a bad spot

[violet flume]

i dont think vdh is meant to kite more than others but it has the tools for it

[dusky canopy]

Nowadays i believe they do alot of self healing

between souls/spiritbomb

and soulcleave

not bdk levels but theyd be second i think

[toxic pewter]

Sounds cool

[dusky canopy]

theyre i nice tank to alt with since its mainly 4 keybinds + some cd binds

[toxic pewter]

The whole soul cleave vs spirit bomb dynamic still confuses me

Feels like they’re the same ability

[dusky canopy]

you treat it like st vs aoe

[toxic pewter]

Like I don’t get it

[ocean yoke]

Being able to double jump and glide are also as addictive as crack

[dusky canopy]

you spend resource in SpB whenever theres 2 or more targets

that may have changed slightly

check the guide

[toxic pewter]

Will do

[dusky canopy]

or to maintain the healing buff it applies

[violet flume]

blizz should give wow the wildstar treatment

every class double jumps and has 2charge dash

imagine double jump warrior and 2 dashes on top of 2x charge and heroic leap

[toxic pewter]

Lol

[dusky canopy]

I thought you were going go down the shut off the servers route

xD

[toxic pewter]

[violet flume]

rip wildstar

i didnt play it much but i thought it was fun

i think they screwd themselves too much catering to hardcore players

also 0 updates

[dusky canopy]

Yeah i didnt get a chance to try that one

but i heard end game was extremely difficult

from Maximum

[violet flume]

i believe to get into endgame