protection

[crystal mauve]

I agree on this, design of classes around tier sets it annoying when the aquisition is slow

[crude notch]

I mean that doesn't solve the problem of chance

[dusky canopy]

Dungeon slice sucks for us,
Do Patchwerk 5target 1.5minutes no lust no raid buffs except Attack power

[crude notch]

I have toons that have 4p without touching a single raid boss and other toons that still only have 1p and have done raid.

[prisma crane]

its tricky though, because i think transformative tier sets are good tier sets, but when you do that you need to make them "more" easily obtainable, we're already way better off than we were, but this just shows that getting gear faster is generally more fun

[crystal mauve]

They could make it that the more dungeons you do the more likely you are to get one...? I'm no game designer but you get the idea, there is options to make it easier for everyone to get tiers, not just raiders (saying this as a raider btw)

[crude notch]

If you want more tier acquisition you shouldn't want chance of, you should want deterministic

[prisma crane]

yea, catalyst day 1 solves this

[dusky canopy]

Ultimately there’s multiple ways to do it but all I’m saying is my vote would be for more targeted acquisition than random chance

Random chance blows

[crystal mauve]

I guess it kinda does yes

[unique kelp]

Some of your responses are very combative for a discussion. I wasn't saying Tier acquisiton hasn't changed, just that I personally would like Catalyst to be available earlier. Not saying it would fix tier acquisition nor that it would fix bad luck with vaults. I'm sure there are other ideas that would work better, I just think Catalyst timing would be an easier solution.

[crystal mauve]

yes and no, it also feels good to get lucky and the dopanime rush is real. It feels so good to get lucky BECAUSE it feels bad to get unlucky. If you don't have either it's just a matter how long it's going to take you to do a specific task

[prisma crane]

at the end of the day, the catalyst is only a single piece of gear per week, and it quickly becomes barely touched, so its most useful early on

[dusky canopy]

I mean sure

It also feels good to finish the grind and loot that item from a vendor finally

[crude notch]

I get more use from the catalyst via non tier than tier

[dusky canopy]

I think it’s a horse a piece personally

[prisma crane]

i can tell you right now, my friends that somewhat struggle in M+ get a much bigger rush from hitting 2k and 2500 or their first 20 key than they do getting a "rare" drop

[unique kelp]

I don't know, 2500 is a high point to get to without already having Tier. Might be too high to be useful.

[dusky canopy]

The only reason random chance will “feel good” is if it fucks you for a while first

That’s not really something to be excited about

[crystal mauve]

Linking the catalyst to the world first is a good idea (someone mentionned this before) it brings the community together and it doesn't screw anything about the race either

[vivid abyss]

also crafting 447 piece, for higher M+ i plan on going haste / versa obviously, which would u replace first?
btw simming 5target rn as you mentioned

[prisma crane]

perhaps, but that's why we could lower the first one, could also just make the 2500 one be at 447 ilvl, etc

[prisma crane]

firstly, go haste crit

[unique kelp]

Do you think that's mostly because you don't need Tier at week 6/8? Wouldn't moving the catlyst earlier at least make it more useful for other gear? Heck, I use it more for XMog than anything else.

[vivid abyss]

why tho, i see everyone going vers over crit

[prisma crane]

second, replace boots, they're a higher stat budget

[dusky canopy]

No you don’t

[crystal mauve]

Wrist cause no haste - boots are fine as crit/haste

[dusky canopy]

You see people who so happen to loot Vers gear

[crude notch]

I didn't say it was a problem

[dusky canopy]

You want haste Crit whenever possible

[unique kelp]

Fair

[vivid abyss]

i mean crafted items tho

[dusky canopy]

The other two are not bad

You just prefer haste Crit

[crude notch]

Who's everyone bro? There's literally 7 warriors with the title and 3 of them use spell block in FH. So like.

[prisma crane]

catalyst means almost NOTHING to RFWF and linking it to that feels shitty for everyone who doesnt care about it (the majority of players) even if i like it

[vivid abyss]

yeah i get it being high rio isnt everything

[dusky canopy]

You need 44% Vers to make a 20 hit like a 19

Crit gives you more damage than Vers

So you do Crit

[unique kelp]

No, they're not necessarily related, but I have seen comments (may even be in bad faith) that Catalyst negatively affects RWF so it shouldn't be available. The suggestion is just to address that argument.

[prisma crane]

isn't it 20%? or you mean 44% to make a 20 feel like an 18

[dusky canopy]

No read Jordan’s screenshot

[crystal mauve]

It could means somehting if you unlock it week 1 and NA has access to it before EU, so opening it after RTWF makes sure it doesn't screw EU. I know most don't care about the race but you might care about it more if it brings you something cool? Just wondering

[dusky canopy]

21 to feel like a 19 is 44%

My mistake

[prisma crane]

it "may" however, even with current loot options all top guilds got full 4p in the first 3 days on their entire roster. Plus blizz, rightfully so, has said they wont make decisions around WF anymore

[dusky canopy]

All the same

You don’t prio Vers

That’s bfa mentality

[unique kelp]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. More engagement, even if it's just people cheering for it to be over. It'd be a neat way to celebrate the raid being cleared and giving everyone a gift for it being over.

[crude notch]

And in a dungeon like FH where 85% of the damage you take is melees it's better to have crit to parry that shit.

[prisma crane]

if they actually make RFWF a fully supported event, hosted by blizz, made some way to "in-game" spectate, etc, like an auditorium w/ screens it could be really cool, but that has less chance of happening than them just giving us 4p day 1

as it stands, i'd be shocked if more than 5% of the playerbase cares about RFWF

[unique kelp]

This would be interesting, as long as they don't treat it like an E-Sport.

[tidal nimbus]

either underot trinkets any good?

[prisma crane]

why not? people like sports, they make teams, they rally behind things, it's not inherently a bad thing, if anything they need to modernize in this way

[unique kelp]

Thanks jordan, this makes sense. I've been chasing Vers over Crit, but this at least brings it all together.

[crude notch]

Be careful with your wording because it can also be said less than 5% of the playerbase is in class discords so why give a shit about their opinion.

[unique kelp]

Mostly because of Blizzard's history of handling their e-sports divisions.

[sick sentinel]

versa nerds : CHATTING

[crude notch]

I love you yogi

[prisma crane]

i agree but i think context matters, listening to say... tuning advice from class discords is useful because the bulk of the population doesnt play at a level where they would get that granular, but gameplay elements are relevant for everyone

[vivid abyss]

but i always wonder about this kind of thing saying the highest rio players are not always right,
cause BDK discord was always Umbilicus Eternus is trash, not worth it, it only overheals etc... but in the end everyone ended up using it in higher keys
and then again UDK discord talking about fragment being weaker than underrot trinket even tho every WF udk ran fragment, then boom updated simulation rotation and fragment ended up being much much stronger
not saying you are not right with the crit guys

[sick sentinel]

my dk is canned meat

[prisma crane]

the issue is that at the end of the day, top players are individuals, and sometimes theyre just really good players that can make everything work, doesnt mean changing talents or stats wouldnt be better for them, but they make it work because they're good and their team is good

[vivid abyss]

did the 5 target, 1m 30s, no buffs except AP, dropping annulet is 2k dps loss according to that

[crude notch]

Class discords are about as useful as any other source of information.

[sick sentinel]

yogi BDK talents

[crude notch]

Never consume one source to get better.

[sick sentinel]

they are most likely wrong

[crude notch]

That's a nice zdps build

[toxic pewter]

I get all my wow news and information from fox news

[crude notch]

Same TBH

[toxic pewter]

All others are fake news

We should make wow great again

[sick sentinel]

ya my dk is literal dumpster tier

[crude notch]

Nice chest

[prisma crane]

unironically, Jordan's advice on how to get info is why most news sources/stations arent worth listening to, because it's not crowd sourced

get enough people together and you can figure anything out

assuming it's organized*

[crude notch]

I love the chest that's 89 ilvls higher than the neck

[toxic pewter]

I believe in old school investigative journalism

[prisma crane]

plus then you can get into capture and funding etc

[prisma crane]

if only this wasnt almost frowned upon these days lmao

[sick sentinel]

i only ever use the ghoul as a sucicide bomber heal

[prisma crane]

only the best for our man yogi

[toxic pewter]

bdk still so hard to kill

Actually wild

[violet flume]

lmao yesterday i learned you can outrange the dragon breaths in HoI

i facetanked them with spell reflect and a cd

[toxic pewter]

Still to this day don’t understand why it’s appropriate they can heal their entire health bar with one death strike

[violet flume]

nobody ever complained about me taking too much damage either so heh

[toxic pewter]

Yah can backpedal the breaths effectively

[violet flume]

its equivalent to damage taken no? If they heal full health with one deathstrike it means a prot warrior wouldve blocked a fuckload of damage

probably not full healthbar of blocks tho

[toxic pewter]

Yah it’s proportionate to the amount they take

Still think they heal too much though

[violet flume]

they'd need to divert deathstrike heal to more boneshield damage reduction i guess

if they want dks to have the same survivability

[toxic pewter]

They have too much survivability

[modern brook]

That's such a cope

[toxic pewter]

I get they can get 1 shot and stuff though

[daring marlin]

[toxic pewter]

Nah it’s legit

[modern brook]

It's legit a cope

[violet flume]

is DK the #1 tank everyone picks if they have too much survivability&?

[toxic pewter]

They have had too much self survivability for far too long

[crude notch]

Until you have something that's a big ass physical hit that every other tank lives EXCEPT BDK

[toxic pewter]

It’s a bit awkward many won’t even admit it

Yah but that’s what purgatory is for

[violet flume]

i figure DKs prob OP in content they overgear idk about harder content

[daring marlin]

I don't admit it because I don't agree.

They get their teeth kicked in.

[crude notch]

Wait is this a weird "delete haste" argument from apb

[toxic pewter]

Yeah I still think haste is not needed if the game was just tuned correctly

But that’s beside the point

[violet flume]

what

[daring marlin]

They're masochists and enjoy taking all that damage so their HPS is high. Let 'em have it.

[violet flume]

no stat is needed if youre gonna say that

[crude notch]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-gta-sa-cj-gta-again-gif-20425950

[toxic pewter]

Wat u mean

[violet flume]

how is haste not needed?

its just a stat

[crude notch]

I'd delete vers long before I'd delete haste

[toxic pewter]

Just make abilities and rotations feel good

[violet flume]

crit mastery vers arent needed either

[daring marlin]

apb is weird and thinks when abilties are hasted it changes the way a class feels too much.

[modern brook]

Let's not dredge up dead discussions

[crude notch]

Apb do you want a 2s fixed GCD like FF14?

[toxic pewter]

Haste is just a crutch to make rotations feel good

Just do away with it

And make it feel good by default

[violet flume]

give everyone 100% haste i agree

[modern brook]

I feel like

[toxic pewter]

Then focus on other cooler stats

[crude notch]

Blood you ain't a mod and everyone's being civil so chill

[vivid abyss]

Ok guys, I understand that some ppl are playing with second best stats etc.. and they are so good and have such a good group that they push the highest rio... but rn i checked top 10 highest rio prot wars and 7/10 went Haste + vers crafted items, 2 went with the Shadowed Impact Buckler and 1 guy went with Haste + Mastery... none actually went with haste /crit , so are they all wrong here? are they all just following one creator etc??

[crude notch]

Cool did you read what I posted?

[modern brook]

You've put more effort I to this post than you should've for deciding the missive you use tbh

[toxic pewter]

But yeah I have what some may consider to be strange arguments, but I dunno it’s just tiresome to chase the haste dragon continuously just to get to a place where your character feels good. Just make it feel good by default then give us actual interesting stats that are fun

[daring marlin]

No

[modern brook]

Define good

[crude notch]

Now back to BDK and how theyre broken

[modern brook]

What's the default game state that everyone enjoys that's unobtainable without an arbitrary amount of a secondary stat

[vivid abyss]

i did read it

[craggy pilot]

aw i love the overall dmg in NL 🤣

that spell reflect wtf

[crude notch]

How are we supposed to answer dumb questions about vers if we don't have vers apb?

[vivid abyss]

what i dont know is versa additive or multiplicative def when u pair it with block?

[craggy pilot]

last boss even stopped casting Molten shit in the end, and just phased constantly without doing it 😦 cost me like 1mil reflect dmg

[toxic pewter]

I will agree about vers too I suppose but I think haste is the real culprit

[crude notch]

Defensive are Multiplicative

[toxic pewter]

Yeah like bring back multi strike, add another interesting stat so it’s like crit, multi strike, mastery, and 1 more cool one

[crude notch]

Vers is a dead stat bring back multistrike

Whoa

Now I feel weird

[toxic pewter]

Heh

Welcome

[modern brook]

Multistrike was removed because it was literally crit 2

[toxic pewter]

To the future

Na multi strike is fun

[crude notch]

Make leech a secondary, kekw

[toxic pewter]

And interesting

[modern brook]

That's like

Objectively incorrect

[crude notch]

Bring back spirit

[modern brook]

Someone chatting emoji please

[toxic pewter]

I agree it’s similar to crit

[crude notch]

And give me hp5 gear

[vivid abyss]

i mean i understand that vers vs M+ scaling is nothing... but its still something ... and if so many ppl play it that screenshot that u sent does not explain why crit is better overall

[toxic pewter]

But it has different interactions

[crude notch]

Because a dead mob does no damage

[modern brook]

But it doesnt

[daring marlin]

should delete vers and give something like brutal strike

[violet flume]

play troll for that troll regenration 😄

[daring marlin]

chance to crit on a crit

giga crits

[violet flume]

i actually mathed out troll regeneration and its not that far from like 1% vers racials in damage reduction/healing done lmao

[vivid abyss]

lucky hit from d4

[limber prawn]

is it worth crafting boots? already have the shield

[toxic pewter]

Sure

[modern brook]

All multi strike did was narrow the design space for proc effects because u had to worry about it double dipping between it and the other stats

[toxic pewter]

I crafted boots I like them

[violet flume]

multistrike for bears was pretty cool

more hp every multistrike

[toxic pewter]

Yah but you’re missing the point. Multi strike is fun

People enjoy it

For some reason

[violet flume]

stuff like multistrike means they have to invent something for tanks tho

[modern brook]

There is no point to miss

[violet flume]

cause it brings 0 value to tanks

[modern brook]

You're just saying words

With like no basis on design or gistory

[toxic pewter]

Yah there is

[crude notch]

Leech

Let's go

[toxic pewter]

Multi strike is fun. That’s the point

[crude notch]

Make leech a secondary baby

[violet flume]

leech where it deals damage and heals yourself could be fun

[craggy pilot]

if im farming for trinket in VP/NL, should i do it in 17 for ilvl, or 11 for speed? 🤔

[modern brook]

I'm done engaging

[toxic pewter]

People enjoy fun things

[crude notch]

HP on hit

Scale up your AS

Lol

[sick sentinel]

did warrior now come any close to the other tank classes after the buffs ?

[crude notch]

Yes

[daring marlin]

Are people in the discord with us right now?

[modern brook]

It's where it was pre bug fix

[toxic pewter]

Lol

[crude notch]

Imma keep it real no secondary stat is fun, except haste and SOME specs masteries

[sick sentinel]

I can feel I do more damage but idk ? did it make it this much better

[crude notch]

What did you expect bro

You do more damage you take less damage

EZ

[sick sentinel]

idk maybe an option for ulduman besides evoker

[crude notch]

Are you meta, no? Should you care, also no.

[toxic pewter]

Do you feel strong Leon

[crude notch]

You're aware most tanks don't have an option for bleeds right and if you play correctly you won't take those bleeds.

[crystal mauve]

The best answer will be to sim yourself and see which one is better. To be honest, most of your gear is far less relevant than your gameplay. As long as you don't focus on mastery, you are taking the right decision 🙂

[crude notch]

I'm a mastery gamer because of fury

[sick sentinel]

Everyday

[toxic pewter]

Nice

[sick sentinel]

Well idk what I expected tbh I guess a bit more

[toxic pewter]

They say you should only compare yourself to who you were yesterday and not to others

[sick sentinel]

Didn't Hitler say that

Ah nvm

He didn't that was smth else

[toxic pewter]

O_O

[crude notch]

Wtf

[sick sentinel]

Never compare yourself to others if you do you only insult yourself

[plush tendon]

im a soon to be mastery gamer myself

[sick sentinel]

Thats how it went

Got it wrong mb

[plush tendon]

how do you deal with gems though?

you go mastery heavy haste gems?

or haste heavy mastery?

[crude notch]

I do haste heavy.

[sick sentinel]

also, I got both BiS rings from raid yet I feel like I got weaker for some reason

[crystal mauve]

I leave the sockets emtpy just to make sure I don't make any mistake

[toxic pewter]

Should prob just run anulet

[sick sentinel]

and pawn says my m+ rings are 30% better

even tho they are lower ilvl

[crystal mauve]

Both BIS ring from raid? Do we need any of the raid rings at all?

[toxic pewter]

Not really as far as I know

[sick sentinel]

well these

[crystal mauve]

Oh I see what you did there : There are the best two rings if you only consider the raid as a source of items. If you consider them all, there are fairly bad

[crude notch]

Yo

Wait

Homie said

Pawn

Y'all didn't say shit

[sick sentinel]

well idk

30%

usually idc about it

[crystal mauve]

You should be using Annulet and any Big haste>crit/vers ring. (Haste/vers from Halls of Infusion is good)

[crude notch]

Stop using pawn

And stop using bis lists

[chilly brook]

Pawn is bad

Uninstall it

[daring marlin]

why yes I am also a pawn disrespectorrrrrrrrrrr

[sick sentinel]

well i usually just ignore it 30% just seemed like quite a bit

[chilly brook]

It’s bad

False information

[toxic pewter]

What stat weights are you even using

The default pawn ones?

[chilly brook]

It’s based on a stat weight but the problem is in order for it to be accurate you’d need to sim your stat weights and import them EVERYTIME you change gear

[crude notch]

Well

[chilly brook]

And even then because you changed gear it’s not accurate

[crude notch]

That

And annulet

Doesn't have secondaries so it's always gonna lose out

According to pawn

[chilly brook]

TLDR pawn is just bad and has no reason to be installed

[crude notch]

Me warrior me smorc

[daring marlin]

TLDR wow is just bad and has no reason to be installed

ftfy

[crude notch]

Fox news just said it's good to breathe in wild fire smoke because it's natural

[chilly brook]

[daring marlin]

https://twitter.com/Nick_Newman/status/1666510464631595010?s=20

Nick Newman (@Nick_Newman)

https://t.co/m9x5f9KOT4

Likes

94748

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Twitter · Jun 7, 2023, 6:20 PM

My dad lives in NY and he says it looks like Mars there.

pretty crazy

[crude notch]

How does he know what Mars looks like

Are you an alien Guilford

I knew it

[chilly brook]

From movies duh

I mean didn’t you watch The Martian?

[daring marlin]

ain't no planet X comin' cuz ain't no space cuz ain't not globe earth

[jagged pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/832390254895300648.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[daring marlin]

[crude notch]

Nice D tier damage

[jagged pier]

rank 1 for key lvl actually

[daring marlin]

They should give DK dark simulacrum in pve

[jagged pier]

no

[daring marlin]

it'd just be a better SR

[jagged pier]

doesnt need more op stuff

[daring marlin]

😉

[modern gazelle]

For those of you that are 430-440 ilvl or higher how many crafted pieces do you wear?

[gloomy vortex]

Two, shield and belt

[spring ermine]

I know nobody cares about M+ logs but still :')

[modern gazelle]

I do that’s cool

[spring ermine]

Sense is pumping for real though

[oblique kayak]

3 Shield, neck, belt

[dusky canopy]

Lmfao

[modern gazelle]

What belt/necks?

[dusky canopy]

Yeah so there’s Sense and then there’s the rest of us

[spring ermine]

Guys, at lair the second boss, as you know the sunder can be reflected, but it comes in very infrequent intervals. For example even when according to bigwigs its no longer on cd, sometimes he first does some other shit. How do you manage it to time reflect right?

[dusky canopy]

You get used to it

[chilly brook]

They should give warrior shield slam purge back

[graceful kite]

it was too broken

[dusky canopy]

You pretty much SR as many as you can

[spring ermine]

Yeah of course but it's so random

[graceful kite]

I remember literally oneshotting bloodmaul last boss on challenges with it

(two shotting I guess we had 1 more dk)

[modern gazelle]

What belt do you use? @gloomy vortex

[graceful kite]

use spell cd weakaura its VERY accurate

especially for sunder

[spring ermine]

awesome thanks man

thats what i needed

[graceful kite]

and use SR early so you can get it faster for the next one

[spring ermine]

can you link it? i only find https://wago.io/B-saNwgCJ and its on nameplates

aah

[graceful kite]

yep

[spring ermine]

well i guess thats fine

thanks!

[modern gazelle]

Do you guys use big wigs or dbm?

[spring ermine]

big wigs

[rustic tinsel]

Bigwigs is goated

[chilly brook]

Dbm

[modern gazelle]

Think I’m gonna uninstall dbm then, is there anything it’s missing that I should replace with a diff add on?

[chilly brook]

Cuz honestly big wigs doesn’t do anything better in my experience

They both do the same thing

One just a slight bit more customizable

[modern gazelle]

Dbm this expac YELLS at me too much the one thing I like is the boss mob spells showing in middle of screen

[spring ermine]

what addon/weak aura to see spell of mobs?

i mean to see when for example a trash mob is casting an aoe

[chilly brook]

But at the end of the day I use raid ability timeline WA so I don’t even need to worry about it lol

[spring ermine]

bigwigs does it only for bosses

[chilly brook]

You can customize that stuff

[dusky canopy]

Just curious is all

[chilly brook]

Lilwigs

[dusky canopy]

Can someone explain to me why less damage is above higher damage?

[daring marlin]

Not a fan of DBM. HONKA AWOO and I'm not gonna dick around with it to make it not annoying.

[spring ermine]

awesome ty

[cinder storm]

Kill time?

[chilly brook]

Idk I did a stint running bigwigs

[modern brook]

Higher key

[chilly brook]

Just never felt like it was any better or any worse

The best part about it was the victory music lol

[dusky canopy]

Oh that makes sense fango thanks

I was going to say I’ve logged over 70 in a 20 and I’m not up there

So just seemed weird to me

But keystone level makes sense

[modern gazelle]

How much do you guys mess with big wigs when you first installed? Main thing is I like the plug and play of dbm. Don’t want to mess with it too much

[dusky canopy]

They’re doing 23s/24s

[cinder storm]

It's pretty much plug and play, I only change where announcements and bars happen on my screen

[crystal mauve]

I just moved the bars where I needed and added count-down to tank mechanics I wanted to too. If you want you can also change the color of the bars for specific spells in raids but that might be too much

[craggy pilot]

damn this thing from the weekly Q 😦

[daring marlin]

Big/little wigs+BW voice=ohhhh yeahhhhh

[crystal mauve]

You are ready to be a Fury warrior now

[chilly brook]

I mean imho

Why mess with the bars of DBM or BigWigs

Just install raid ability timeline wa

[craggy pilot]

people rly use the timeline :>

[chilly brook]

Yes

[craggy pilot]

i like to color code my BW default bars, so i can see what i need to worry about when healing/tanking/dpsing

[chilly brook]

It’s so much more convenient than having 10 different countdowns

[modern gazelle]

@cinder storm thanks

[toxic pewter]

Wat is timeline is that an addon or weak aura

[chilly brook]

Puts all the information in one easy to track place

[craggy pilot]

preference i guess

[chilly brook]

Weakaura

[modern gazelle]

Anyone use Quazii bigwigs profile? If so how is it

[crystal mauve]

Well, if you need to plan it's shit cause you can't see anything in advance, but it's personal pref at that point, it's hard to argue that one color is better than the other

[toxic pewter]

I see seems interesting

[chilly brook]

https://wago.io/RaidAbilityTimeline

[toxic pewter]

Doesn’t it show things in advance to plan though

[craggy pilot]

i did like this, but shit i can Reflect i made grey, shit i can Poison Dispel is yellow, shit i have to worry about or call out in Raid is Green

so a few colours pop out

[chilly brook]

That’s not correct

You can further add things on it and I’ve seen things be tracked way out

[craggy pilot]

most bosses have 1 specific counter thats 100 times more important than all the other ones

[toxic pewter]

Thanks I am gonna try it out

[chilly brook]

Also idk what you have to “plan”

[dusky canopy]

I’ve never played with this but have always heard of it, maybe I’ll give it a try because I always lose track of BW when things get hectic

[chilly brook]

Typically 20 seconds or so is more than enough to know something is coming

[cinder storm]

That's what she said

[dusky canopy]

Only healer CDs care about lengthy timers

And usually they pre plan

[chilly brook]

^^^

The basically work opposite

They have those down to like exact combat length timers

[craggy pilot]

ah looks like you can color code the "names" also

[chilly brook]

Yes

Is good weakaura

Idk maybe I’m too biased

[crystal mauve]

It is good, I guess some of like like bars better no point in arguing so much about it

[hazy bronze]

How do I get a forgestorm to drop? :madge:

[unique kelp]

Can't check - I'm at work - does it do M+ too or just Raid?

[chilly brook]

But having 7 different timers is just too much

It doesn’t need to be that complex

[chilly brook]

It does both

It’s just a reskin of your boss mods essentially

[craggy pilot]

yea as i said its personal preference 😄

[unique kelp]

Run 11s so that if it drops, it won't be an upgrade. Then it drops.

[dusky canopy]

Champion pogweapon is still next bis behind hero pogweapon

[unique kelp]

Even over a 447 crafted weapon with flavor pocket? (I will accept no judgement for my mistakes)

[dusky canopy]

You’d be surprised if you played with sims it’s pretty good

[unique kelp]

Maybe I'll take a look at it, then. Got one last night and thought "Well, this is worthless"

Boy I'd love to have an incenerator that gave me back a spark.

[thin silo]

Yeah, they should be recycleable
Something they did right in BfA and then just stopped

[uneven mason]

This so much, because I dropped my first one on the ffb

Do the vers wrists count as an embellishment?

[unique kelp]

MH, FFB, Boots with patch. I feel you.

[uneven mason]

I'm using shield with patch and a MH with nothing

[unique kelp]

I was contemplating Bracers for BRez next, but maybe I'll do shield instead.

[toxic pewter]

? What shield do you have currently

[unique kelp]

Normal Calamity's Herald

Also got a Normal Experiment 1 on a very disappointing vault last week.

Or maybe it was the dungeon box, don't remember.

[toxic pewter]

Yah def craft 447 shield

Most important item for any prot warr

[unique kelp]

Honestly never even considered that shield was that important. Granted, I just recently switched back to Warrior this Tier.

Lesson learned. Read more before you make permanent decisions

[toxic pewter]

Yah it’s just really good for us

[quiet minnow]

I legit don’t think I could ever go without it again. Was an absolute game changer for me in terms of clarity for timers

I always used timers for everything but in terms of quick access to info idk how you would beat it

[uneven mason]

So was getting irritated why I couldn't push past 90% even when I'm being sweaty and pulling like I mean it, I was using my "lockdown" build

[prisma crane]

the 447 crafted will beat Forgestorm in heavy aoe, also... there's some that arent enjoying Forge because of how heavily RNG it is in practice

so its not like you're screwed w/ a 447 crafted weapon by any means

[uneven mason]

I transmogged to forgestorm so I can pretend to have a poggers weapon

[prisma crane]

big brain

[uneven mason]

Will live with a haste crit crafted

[prisma crane]

in a perfect world, i'd probably use crafted on Fort weeks and Forge on Tyr weeks

[uneven mason]

In a perfect world I'd be able to find pug DPS that don't die and do more DPS than me

[quiet minnow]

Kinda crazy how many dps get beat by me as tank tbh

I’m not even very good

[jagged pier]

[unreal arrow]

not really looked into this but should i be using whirlwind at all? lol

[fresh igloo]

no.

[jagged pier]

no

[fresh igloo]

take WW and slam and rend off your bars.

[daring marlin]

swish swish

[unreal arrow]

does more damage than revenge no?

[jagged pier]

no

because revenge is less rage and procs SS

[acoustic oasis]

The ONLY time id recommend it, is if you have to pick up ALOT of mobs, no aoe shout, and TC wasnt enough.

[fresh igloo]

still no...

revenge is better

[jagged pier]

literally still no

[acoustic oasis]

Its aoe, not a cleave.

If they are running past you

Revenge isnt 360, correct?

[unreal arrow]

what about revenge procs SS?

[fresh igloo]

you really don't want mobs behind you

ever

[acoustic oasis]

Well no shit

[jagged pier]

no but u shouldnt have mobs behind u

[unreal arrow]

thats why u WW them so they die, then no mobs behind u

[urban portal]

We bind a key for 1 cast every dungeon

[fresh igloo]

strategist talent

[fresh igloo]

ah yes, our aoe one-shot everything skill, what WAS i thinking 😂

[unreal arrow]

okay cool

[unreal arrow]

;p

[fresh igloo]

if you're having issues with AoE threat at the start, opening w/ titanic throw might help.

WW is not the answer.

[urban portal]

Titanic throw is genuinely good

[acoustic oasis]

My brother in christ

[urban portal]

It’s a fk ton of aggro gen

[unreal arrow]

right what so i've learnt is that when a big pack is nearly dead and you have one gcd to use and a choice between revenge and WW u choose WW 🙂

[acoustic oasis]

Thats not what I said.

[urban portal]

Ok just keep whirlwind bound

No one’s stopping you

Except a +15 key

[unreal arrow]

i've literally just bound it

[fresh igloo]

what you said involved having WW on your bars which you shouldn't, so if you really wanna, go for it, but ... don't give that advice to people.

[chilly brook]

?????

[acoustic oasis]

If you have a dirty pull occur, and you dont have aoe shout, it can be useful to grab mobs that run past you

[chilly brook]

Revenge is just objectively better

[acoustic oasis]

It is better 99% of the time..

I agree with that.

It has a use.

[unreal arrow]

apart from that one situation i just said

[urban portal]

You are literally just making up situations

[unreal arrow]

which makes it not objectively better

lol

[acoustic oasis]

?

[modern gazelle]

If i havent done the raid yet, how hard would it be for me to tank LFR as a 408 prot warrior?

[acoustic oasis]

You sound like someone who either doesnt pug, never played, or is top 1% in the world.

[chilly brook]

That situation doesn’t exist

[unreal arrow]

the situation of you killing a pack of mobs and you have 1 gcd left? im scared to say it, but i think it may happen every pack of mobs

but all good homie

[urban portal]

What’s the tooltip damage on revenge vs ww

[merry pond]

I didn't copy the buckler from anyone, I just crafted it. I've been telling everyone that it is ass ever since ^^

[urban portal]

Genuinely curious

[chilly brook]

You realize….it’s better to revenge in that situation???

[unreal arrow]

9.1 verus 7.8

[urban portal]

I’m 99% sure that revenge just hits harder

So revenge hits harder per cast

Got it

And cost less rage

[chilly brook]

Yes

[quiet minnow]

Not hard at all

[unreal arrow]

9.1WW 7.8 revenge

[chilly brook]

It’s literally better

[acoustic oasis]

So...if a train comes sprinting at you, and it isnt just a solid pack..... its better to let ur healer die then pick up aggro?

[unreal arrow]

😒

[modern gazelle]

cool thanks

[acoustic oasis]

Ya'll are wild.

[chilly brook]

Less rage more damage per cast

[urban portal]

Healer aggro isn’t real in modern wow

They generate so little aggro from healing

[quiet minnow]

For an example I tanked heroic till sark at 416 ilvl on Druid so you can def do lfr

[acoustic oasis]

??? Except when some dirty pull shit happens

[chilly brook]

How much damage are you doing in your keys

[urban portal]

Ngl if that happens I probably can’t even find the key to ww

To react fast enough

@merry pond you have whirlwind bound bro?

You have the most authority out of anyone here

[merry pond]

@chilly brook if I get this right, you are arguing about using a defensive vs an offensive trinket?

[fresh igloo]

again... if you have to burn rage on a GCD, revenge is better than WW in every situation. if mobs are running away behind you... go after them. and hit revenge.

[chilly brook]

No

[unreal arrow]

thats without WW

[chilly brook]

Ok

So you’re not even doing insane damage

Fix your play

[unreal arrow]

hahahahaha

[daring marlin]

what the fuck is going on here

lmao

[chilly brook]

WW isn’t going to fix that damage

[quiet minnow]

If you don’t want to spec into titanic throw in this instance I’ll tab target heroic throw sometimes and it works good for this

[merry pond]

I might have it as a macro somewhere.... but I haven't used whirlwind in weeks

[unreal arrow]

everybody is absolutly FUMING over the idea of using WW as prot warrior

ahahahaha

[chilly brook]

Because it’s bad

You’re not the first to try

[unreal arrow]

how much damage you do in keys?

[chilly brook]

Or think you’re giga brain

I don’t tank keys lol

[unreal arrow]

ahahahaha

so none

[chilly brook]

I mean I’m doing over 50k at 405 in the 2 that I have done

But I’m not currently maining warrior

[merry pond]

@chilly brook I was referring to earlier, whne you said I do goofy shit. I assume you mean it's goofy that I have a defensive trinket?

[chilly brook]

Uhhh idk rn the topic is using WW instead of revenge at the end of a pack

[merry pond]

This means nothing without specifying a key too.

[sick sentinel]

how much loam niffen reknowns are you guys

[merry pond]

Sorry, is there any reason at all to use Whirlwind? Have I missed something.

[unreal arrow]

it means nothing in general, his point was to insult me and thats it

[chilly brook]

Peeps are doing basically 100k rn without using WW

[unreal arrow]

ur doing 50k mate

[chilly brook]

That wasn’t the point

[fresh igloo]

there is not, but people are saying there is. lol

[sick sentinel]

im at 12/20

[quiet minnow]

To count revenge vs we at end of pack you’re also gunna have to add up cdr on ls for each time you do that

[chilly brook]

The point is that you’re not topping out what people are doing with normal rotations

[quiet minnow]

If yo get like 1m cdr or 2m cdr over dungeon then you 100% lost

[urban portal]

He’s saying that, since ww does more than revenge per cast, you should ww as the last global of every pack

[chilly brook]

Even if we assumed you could gain damage from WW as opposed to revenge you’re still dropping like 20k damage from most of the pumpers in here

[unreal arrow]

im actually trying to see if there is anywhere if you should be casting WW and people got really upset

and said some stuff

[chilly brook]

There isn’t

[acoustic oasis]

If its 1-5 mobs it isnt an issue, its just those times you do a short cut and a pet trains mobs or the lock tab targets a mob near a cliff edge or something like that, when you get multi clumped/stream of enemies and dps or the healer have the initial snap threat, then you can only do so much to stem the tide if your aoe taunt is on CD, i use revenge on CD if i have threat but if i TC and the name plates still indicate lost name threat, you damn right im gonna WW one time to get snap threat.

[unreal arrow]

which let me to that conclusion

[chilly brook]

You just didn’t accept the answer

[quiet minnow]

It’s not necessarily the worst since between packs you’re gunna run have ss up again, but if you miss an ss from reset I think you’re going to lose

[cinder storm]

There is not, is not even an argument

[chilly brook]

Like literally several people told you there isn’t a spot that you would use it

And you didn’t accept the answer

Came up with some bs that doesn’t exist

[sick sentinel]

petition to make revenge over write WW and if nessecary call it improved WW in the tooltip somewhere

cuz for all intents that what it is

[merry pond]

IDK... that sounds like a pointless argument. How often are you actually having an ideal amount of targets left "to do your last gcd on"?... Youd probably do it on 4 targets and at that point you should just try to get shield slams to prio the high health target anyways.

[gloomy vortex]

Frost fire

[chilly brook]

Thank you

[unreal arrow]

your last gcd is a choice between revenege or WW was the situation

[quiet minnow]

The biggest thing is losing any ss at all per pack is less rage and less cdr on ls. Like tatt said how often is every mob at the same health and 1 gcd exactly from death

If instead you revenge and get 1 more ss off, that’s cdr and more rage for next pack

It’s not just ww vs rev dam

[chilly brook]

People overcomplicate the game too much

Press buttons

Win

[unreal arrow]

the point of the conversaion isnt to see if you would cast WW but rather if there are any situations that you should cast WW, saying it's not likely to happen kinda suggests there are situations but they are unlikely

[quiet minnow]

So if the scenarios that exist for it to maybe be better exist potentially idk … once? Per dungeon on very low hp packs it doesn’t seem worth to even think about

[merry pond]

Indeed.

[chilly brook]

For the millionth time, there aren’t any

[fresh igloo]

spending more rage for something that doesn't synergize with your kit

never makes sense

[edgy belfry]

i use whirlwind like once or twice a dung when mobs are coming from 3 different sides and i am struggling to aggro them all, but even that is a questionable usage

[quiet minnow]

Well you can invent a scenario it works in, but if you have to make it up there isn’t really a point in considering it

[unreal arrow]

unless the sense is to do more damage, are we in argeement that revenage does less damage then WW?

[quiet minnow]

Unless the point is to think about it

[sick sentinel]

i really do think WW should be a hidden spell for prot

[acoustic oasis]

Careful now, if you use logic they will jump on you

[fresh igloo]

only in isolation with zero consideration of our talents.

[fresh igloo]

now you're just being butthurt.

[unique kelp]

I mean all you guys are responding to someone that started the conversation like this. He's just arguing in bad faith at this point.

[merry pond]

Atleast that can be a personal reason to use it.... cause it can be a bitch to pick up adds.

[daring marlin]

what the fuck is going on in here

[proper roost]

pwar literally has a fairly short cd spell if all your aoes are on cd/you have no rage that costs nothing and is off the gcd

it's called challenging shout lol

what a weird argument

[acoustic oasis]

And... if its on CD?

[quiet minnow]

And again it’s super easy to just tab target heroic throw or spec into titanic

[proper roost]

and if this is happening to you more than every 2 minutes

[quiet minnow]

If this is a common issue

[proper roost]

you are pulling really fucking bad

lmao

[strong forum]

OK good xd

[acoustic oasis]

some use the aoe silence for their shout

Due to comp

What then?

[chilly brook]

I don’t know how to explain this any more clearly. WW is less damage per cast than revenge. EVEN if you somehow gained more damage in one pack on that ONE cast. You’ve lost damage on the next one now because you made a suboptimal use of DPR.

[merry pond]

Didn't bother simming or anything, just assumed it would be nice.... Realized even the versa proc shield would be more damage... But we're getting plenty of sparks anyways, so whatever.

[proper roost]

Like I cannot even fathom how you can be tanking a key and within the same 2 minute span you have so many mobs trickling in out of your control that you need aoe taunt

[cinder storm]

Man, Nome just chilling and laughing at this convo

[chilly brook]

And that’s a fairly large if

Just press buttons man

It’s really this simple

[quiet minnow]

What if a mako shark is playing, and in his attempt to charge he hits challenging shout on accident first because his fin is too big for the keys and so it’s not up when he needs to get threat? What then?

[proper roost]

the goalpost is flying into outer space

it's spinning uncontrollably

[acoustic oasis]

?

[strong forum]

I just did it for the tmog and science, don't need to min-max my weekly keys

[unreal arrow]

its last pack of the dungeon, key is finished after it, so you cant loose damage on next pack, im glad you finally argee with me that there is a case for WW

[chilly brook]

Lol

[daring marlin]

D4 better anyway

despite no paladin

😠

[chilly brook]

Last pack of the dungeon one ww cast is not changing anything lmfaooooo

[unreal arrow]

might do 51k overall instead of 50k would look better to your mates

[chilly brook]

Crazy

Already there

[quiet minnow]

That ww hitting for 3 million?

[chilly brook]

Also crazy that you think doing 50k overall at 400ilvl is terrible

[unreal arrow]

rounding issue, he did 50.999k overall the WW brings him to 51.000k

[unique kelp]

I think people forgot this sage advice lately.

[spring ermine]

what the fuck is going on here, continue guys

[cinder storm]

Yeah, he's trolling at this point

[strong forum]

What's even happening I just checked my pings

[fresh igloo]

people claiming there's a reason to use WW

[cinder storm]

[chilly brook]

Man if only I hit WW once I would have been 52k!!!!

[quiet minnow]

Hmmm. What if while I’m eating a bowl of cereal a piece falls on the flooor and I hit my head really hard trying to get it and forget I have titanic throw, should I use ww then?

[unique kelp]

A question turned into an argument turned into a pissing match.

[strong forum]

Not this WW bullshit again

Costs more rage, does less dmg, doesn't reset shield slam

[unreal arrow]

true, and nobody has a more powerful pisser than me :ez:

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c54SvkgQ04A pwar channel RN

[spring ermine]

ww confirmed new meta

[strong forum]

if thats your made up scenario to prove a point, go for it, dont let anybody stop you

[spring ermine]

slam is actually also quite viable

[strong forum]

the end of pack thing

[unreal arrow]

well it leads to further questioning, if there is a case, i've so many people said there isn't there is probably more cases which it could be used aswell

[strong forum]

the case is: its beyond irrelevant to even argue about

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrmk9o8EUGI one day when i was a kid, i rented this from the store for a weekend

[quiet minnow]

Sometimes the reasons for discussion are more obvious than you think

[strong forum]

if you want to do it, great

but it wont lead to anything productive

[chilly brook]

Bro this confirmation bias

One helluva drug

[sick sentinel]

this game was rigged bullshit, that if discord and all that existed then, and i showed gameplay of, ppl would say skill issue

[unreal arrow]

why is that true

[strong forum]

doing 1 WW

at the end of a key

[spring ermine]

Post logs of your epic ww damage

[strong forum]

instead of using a diff button

is beyond pointless to think about

[daring marlin]

?

kinda weird bro

[strong forum]

yea lets not get personal

[quiet minnow]

(Adderall)

[unreal arrow]

think your missing the point but okay dude

[daring marlin]

It's a song buddy

your joke is a huge miss

[chilly brook]

Go do 100 keys of the same level with the same people doing half with WW and the other half normally and compile the data

I’ll wait

[quiet minnow]

You good?

[daring marlin]

I am. You're just as cringe as he is.

[quiet minnow]

Lmao

You can also just ignore things you don’t like

[strong forum]

WW memes have been done way before DF in all of SL

and its just bad in every way

[daring marlin]

The irony.

[quiet minnow]

I’m not making fun of slipknot so you can keep the graphic tee on

[chilly brook]

BUT SEISMIC WW WITH BONEGRINDER IS GOOD

[quiet minnow]

I have one too

[strong forum]

no but you tried to make it personal

[daring marlin]

You're actually room temp IQ, brother.

[ruby musk]

walking in to see like 100+ messages

[unique kelp]

I mean, I'm with Guilford. Lots of people like lots of things; no reason to try and shame anyone for it.

[quiet minnow]

I’m not shaming him for a song

[unique kelp]

Whether it's the band, song, or pfp.

[fresh igloo]

nah you're making fun of people's disabilities instead

super cool

[unique kelp]

Whatever you were trying to say was just unnecessary

[quiet minnow]

He’s chatting about made up scenarios in prot with a song called adderall

[quiet minnow]

I have adhd and a vyvanse and methylphenidate script

Try again

[fresh igloo]

i mean if you wanna make fun of yourself that's different from aiming at someone else

[spring ermine]

my god the warrior discord is epic, please don't stop guys

[unique kelp]

Ok, but where's the joke here? I'm confused.

[quiet minnow]

Guys got butthurt cause they thought I made fun of slipknot

Unreal

[daring marlin]

WHAT? THAT'S NOT WHY AT ALL LOL

[strong forum]

anyways

[unreal arrow]

im listening to the lastest slipknot album and being attacked for it, while simulanlously the person attacking me is defending all the things hes attacking me with

X)

its okay boys

[strong forum]

cba

[chilly brook]

Anyways

[fresh igloo]

did the whole channel go troll mode this morning or something

[daring marlin]

TBH Skyhold is doing a good impersonation of HoW right now.

[chilly brook]

Back to playing ranged for a tier

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-leave-leaving-pepe-peepo-frog-gif-21562981

[strong forum]

back to killing goats

[daring marlin]

fuck them goats

goat murder

[fresh igloo]

i think that's illegal

[sick sentinel]

don't fuck with juggalos

[fresh igloo]

oh that's probably ok then

[daring marlin]

mac lmao

[sick sentinel]

they have extremely high family values

and so, like, if you fuck with one of them you fuck with all of them, is one of their things

[unique kelp]

So I'm curious, does SB (and all the sources that provide it) stack? Is there any reason to not LS, SC, then double SB (other than perhaps a better use for rage at that time).

[fresh igloo]

shield block duration stacks up to a point

so you can, like, shield charge and SB

just don't use everything all at once so you waste SB uptime

it's like x3 duration iirc

[sick sentinel]

they are just normal slightly weird people

[unique kelp]

Ok, that's what I was curious about. I saw a guide discussing not using LS if you have one charge of SB available because you waste SB time, but it didn't make sense to me based on what I was saying.

[daring marlin]

the yogi classic

piecing together things that don't go together whatsoever

[fresh igloo]

LS is special tho, it can add SB duration beyond the normal cap.

[strong forum]

thats from BFA

cuz back in BFA, Bolster didnt grant SB

it only allowed you to block attacks

[unique kelp]

Whew thank you. I was still stacking it up to like 20s or so but I was afraid I was losing time.

[strong forum]

SB cap is 3x duration

LS adds +15sec ontop of that while active

to prevent that exact issue of overcapping

[crystal mauve]

Also you should basically LS on CD for 4P nowdays

[unique kelp]

SC behaves like a normal SB though?

[unique kelp]

Yeah, that's where my confusion was. I was thinking that trying to dump all my SBs while still LSing on CD was ridiculous.

[sick sentinel]

i wonder if you stack a whole bunch of haste and mastery if you can drop the adds 2seconds to shield block talent

[unique kelp]

I watched a Mazorrok video for 10.1 that said if you play perfectly, then you can maintain 100% uptime without it. Dunno who he is or if that's true, so take it with a grain of salt.

[sick sentinel]

90% at least, less than 90% uptime we will yell at you

[cinder storm]

250% is the goal

[unique kelp]

Haha when I started this tier, I was dumping rage into IP and then when I had full IP I'd drop SB (because it makes sense, IP is for all damage but SB is only for physical).

It's like my "Blunder Years" phase.

I just remember Legion prot where I'd have 3x my HP bar in IP absorbs.

[sick sentinel]

but like there was some trash dude in +11 or +12 uldaman, smacking me, for 186k white melees

and i got 725k base hp

[quiet minnow]

There are some strong trash mobs this season for sure

[sick sentinel]

so, thats why shield block is so vital

[quiet minnow]

Ulda has the bites right away to just go ahead and ruin your fun quick

[unique kelp]

Yeah, how do you deal with those effectively?

Drop defensives, CCs, and pray?

Because that's only worked sometimes...

[ripe seal]

You kite the basilisks, that's about it.

[quiet minnow]

Well I race changed to dwarf cause this rotation is annoying

[sick sentinel]

kick spells, dispell enrage, don't get hit in back

[unique kelp]

I just went Vulpera. Got the name Vulparry. I'm not changing now.

[quiet minnow]

Short of race changing to dwarf you charge stun wall and hope other ppl have some stuns before you leap out and pray

Eventually you have to kite though if they don’t die in a stun window

[cinder storm]

Zandalari is the Chad race for Chads only

[unique kelp]

Spent too long as Pally and Druid, so I'm Zandalari-d out.

[unique kelp]

Thanks. I really hate Fortified weeks.

[quiet minnow]

I hate forti on tank and love it on dps

Forti raging when tanking is too stressful

[unique kelp]

There's just... so much to watch for and be aware of on Forti pulls. And my nameplates like to play hopscotch, so getting kicks off is always fun.

[daring marlin]

spooky

[tropic gorge]

Saw this on the wow fb page

[modern gazelle]

why is frostfire belt better than primal molten? isnt mastery bad or do stats really not matter at all for us basically?

[hazy bronze]

the embellishment

However, as the pins state, it's comparable to a shadowflame patch

[modern gazelle]

hmm

what do you guys prefer?

slow would be nice for kiting i guess

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxo_K7JLZxQ MRW

cuz , as priorly discussed, the mobs im fighting in 12 ulda fort hitting for 190k +, god only knows what it hits ret or hunter or somethin that hits taunt

[obsidian dust]

hey mates i have a question. Is there a haste cap ?

or we can go as much as we want?

[sick sentinel]

short answer, yes, but you will never hit it

[modern gazelle]

what dungeons are worth running to farm gear as prot?

[obsidian dust]

is over 40%?

[sick sentinel]

only a gm would hit the hard cap

[obsidian dust]

is it*

[modern gazelle]

think it was like 7100

[sick sentinel]

no, way higher, but as you hit 30% 40% and a few other goal posts, you lose, 1, then 2, then 3, stas per 10 that you are putting in

thats why you will never hit the hard cap

[obsidian dust]

ty mate

you saved me

❤️

[sick sentinel]

TSV true stat value on CF (curse forge)

[dusky canopy]

Hahahahaha

Arguing for WW viability

[pallid quiver]

Also, mastery isn't "bad", it's just not as strong as the other secondaries due to it benefitting us the least overall in comparison. You'd still grab a higher ilvl piece for the str/more secondaries overall before every worrying about "eww mastery". You probably know this, but it's worth it to keep reminding yourself

[dusky canopy]

Wtf man I missed it

[sick sentinel]

limited time event

apologies you couldn't get in to the party

or, i hope limited time at least, i don't want to live in a pwar uses WW world

[uneven mason]

I came back to this line, what did I miss

[dusky canopy]

And posts a 80k overall claiming his “powerful pisser”

Bruh please post more so I can keep laughing

[dusky canopy]

Like 2 hours ago some guy started an argument on WW being useful

He apparently uses it to grab mobs that get by him

That’s his hypothetical reason WW should have a keybind

[uneven mason]

[dusky canopy]

[uneven mason]

Or literally press any other ae ability we have

[dusky canopy]

“Revenge isn’t 360 right”

Lolololol

[uneven mason]

Oh gawd I feel so bad I missed it

That's solid gold opening

[dusky canopy]

My literal reaction is the nome screenshot

Lmfao

[crystal mauve]

Thanks for the laugh lol

[sick sentinel]

i need discord nitro so i can change my name to "stop using whirl wind"

[dusky canopy]

Yogi I’m stealing it for the day

You rock

Man I can’t @ ghash

Isn’t it dooter something

I forgot what he said he changed it too

[crystal mauve]

What about using slam instead of revenge when you don't want to break a CC and two mobs are too close together? 💡

[sick sentinel]

noooo

no slam either, shield slam only option

[daring marlin]

dooteranopia @dusky canopy

[uneven mason]

:nomgusted:

[dusky canopy]

We need a :nomgusted:

Literally perfect response to things like “Revenge isn’t 360”

[uneven mason]

I made it a while back I just can't convince the mods to add it

[tropic gorge]

I agree with adding :nomgusted:

[strong forum]

@ionic fern

[tropic gorge]

It can be. If your fast enough 😉

[uneven mason]

I mean, having mobs hit you in the ass

No kink shame, but it's not efficient

[unique kelp]

Can you get flashbacks from something that only happened 2 hours ago?

[dusky canopy]

Spin around in a circle really fast

Or whirlwind rather

We got the hookup on the :nomgusted:

Just need the approval

Curtesy @uneven mason

[uneven mason]

Although we should find out what noms feelings are, is he :nomgusted: about this or

[median tulip]

anyone else had Roshok's energy bug and stick at 6?

[modern gazelle]

What dungeons are the best to farm for prot?

[uneven mason]

Neltharious until pogstorm, otherwise, depends on what slots you're still fishing for high haste

[strong forum]

theres no 1 specific dungeon

FH has good stuff, neltharions lair has decent trinket selection

Neltharus has dpstorm

[viral elk]

I heard someone saying they can taunt the magma elephant lava spray in neltharus, and it snaps to target the tank. Anyone been able to do that??

Have not been able to replicate, if it's true

[sick sentinel]

VP has a good pre-raid trinket

[uneven mason]

But that involves doing vp

[sick sentinel]

so? is pretty easy

[modern gazelle]

whoever designed brecken hallow is a demon

[dusky canopy]

He tagged Mwahi that must mean green light right

[modern gazelle]

legit trying to learn this dungeon for tanking and its layout is terrible along with so many dangerous mobs

[dusky canopy]

For me I think the right path after boss 1 is the weirdest layout

Other than that it’s not to bad

[uneven mason]

Idk he could've been asking for Mwahi to kick us

[dusky canopy]

True

[uneven mason]

[tropic gorge]

hold up

are people using ww in prot spec

unironicly?

i could see trolling and pushing the button a few times so itll appear on logs. but, wot

[jagged pier]

some ppl do

because they are new

[strong forum]

huh

brackenhide is full yolo dungeon

nothing is scary

[tropic gorge]

a totally new player would be okay. as long as they stopped when informed

[strong forum]

you go pack by pack before first boss

then you go tree area

and do double/triple pulls

then after tree you skip everything you can until gnoll boss

then after that you do pack by pack again, kick any cast that exists

and voila youre at last boss

[uneven mason]

Biggest mistake is people go left after first boss

[tropic gorge]

in BH do you go for that first cage on the left?

or head right and get em there

[strong forum]

i go left

pull everything on the way there

then double pull to next cage

[tropic gorge]

thats how ive been doing it. go left, then straight across and over the water

[strong forum]

then again double pull to 3rd cage

then single pull to 4th, single at 5th

then pack before boss

[uneven mason]

Don't do water skips, entry trash is free

[tropic gorge]

the only danger in big pulls in bh, is when nobody gets the fear caster

[strong forum]

on low keys yes

on higher keys you need a bit more coordination

but not for weekly 20s

[uneven mason]

You 100% know when he'll fear

[strong forum]

usually hes dead before he can cast fear tbf

[uneven mason]

He starts it at 20% afaik

[digital anvil]

So I’ve been reading throuh the FAQ and the Prot channel for this answer and I haven’t seen it so forgive me if this hase been asked. For embellishments do we want 2x shadowflame patch or 1x patch and 1x frost fire belt? This would be for mainly M+. Would I be correct in assuming that frostfire belt is better that a second patch for the more ape focused M+ environment?

[uneven mason]

So yeah you just hard focus him

[strong forum]

the answer is, it doesnt matter, pick which one you prefer the look of

[uneven mason]

Either but 2 patch is leading a tiny bit

[strong forum]

if it did matter id only list the better option

[digital anvil]

Leading slightly in AOE situations?

[strong forum]

theres no diff between aoe or st performance between the 2

both embellish options dont change with aoe or ST

theyre all ST procs

[modern gazelle]

is the slow nice for kiting at all or not really noticeable?

[strong forum]

kiting isnt really a thing

[digital anvil]

I’ve never noticed it

[strong forum]

besides specifically the crocs in uldaman

but its just a 50% slow

chances are any other class has a stronger slow passively applied

[uneven mason]

Or the lizard dudes in uld

[proper pecan]

Any tips on placing orbs on M Rashok? I feel like I cant aim them reliably

[tropic gorge]

i hate the lizard dudes in uld

[strong forum]

placing orbs?

[uneven mason]

Cause somehow there's never enough stuns

[tropic gorge]

if you dont out range the bleed, it hurts

[proper pecan]

The thing DD must clear with his jump

[fast knot]

Just kite backwards slowly with all 3 pulled

like Halls of Valor

[uneven mason]

Yup

[dusky canopy]

Hol up

You can back pedal basi bois!?

[uneven mason]

@strong forum so what's your vote on :nomgusted:

[fast knot]

The Custodians

[dusky canopy]

Oh those

Yeah

[strong forum]

i pinged mwahi, its in his hands

[dusky canopy]

[fast knot]

Haven't really figured out the basilisks, kind of a shockwave and tell my dps to go turboblaster

[uneven mason]

[fast knot]

Guess I'll just faction change to dwarf so we don't have to constantly run back from the entrance every time

[strong forum]

spawns kinda on his sides, so just park him parallel to the walls no?

[dusky canopy]

Dude I haven’t stepped into uld in like 3 weeks now

Last experience was triple pulling with the 3 basi pack

And it absolutely nuked me

Haven’t gone back since

[uneven mason]

It's a good week to go

[dusky canopy]

I should go get my last portal

Been lazy about it

(Uld)

[digital anvil]

Ok last question on this topic. From a purely offensive standpoint does either embellishment proc more often and does that make one better than the other in terms of proccing the fire ring from M Eranog?

[uneven mason]

Affixes are basically not affixes and the trash is scarier than the bosses

[dusky canopy]

Negative pick your flavor

[uneven mason]

No

[dusky canopy]

I went 2x shadowflame because it’s new and cool looking

[strong forum]

belt procs ring more often, shadowflame procs it less but does TINY bit more dmg

[warm plinth]

Frostfire belt procs the ring more consistently

Mobile, sorry. Didn't see Nome typing

[digital anvil]

So with that in mind belt is theoretically better cause you can proc ring more yes?

[uneven mason]

Pick your flavor, spicy grape or blue raspberry

[dusky canopy]

I tried pinging you earlier ghash but didn’t know your new name I’m borrowing your meme for the day some guy was arguing for WW viability earlier it was quite entertaining

@warm plinth

[digital anvil]

I’m currently mixing both together for “special drink”

[warm plinth]

Oh dear

[strong forum]

no, its fairly equal cuz the ring isnt all that hot, especially in m+

[dusky canopy]

He said “revenge doesn’t 360”

[strong forum]

for ST its also just fairly equal

like legit

[warm plinth]

Ooooh dear

[dusky canopy]

That’s why he uses WW to gather mobs

[strong forum]

do whatever combo you like

[dusky canopy]

This guy was dead serious too

[strong forum]

im not trolling in saying that

both combos are the same if you have eranog ring

[uneven mason]

Betting he uses barbaric training too

[dusky canopy]

I have eggnog mythic and still went 2x shadowflame for reference

[digital anvil]

Thank you fellow thicc bois my decision is made

[dusky canopy]

Cheers

[dusky canopy]

Oh no doubt why wouldnt he take the talent that makes the ability he doesn’t like pressing over WW do more damage?

🧠