i want zero mastery or all the mastery
#protection
sick sentinel
unreal arrow
When you talking about crit versus verse, is haste still better than both of them or no?
crystal mauve
When you talking about crit versus verse, is haste still better than both of the...
Haste>>>>vers=crit
But ilvl is even more important so the questions is really there for jewelry or same ilvl items
warm plinth
crystal mauve
jagged pier
tame coyote
cunning knot
jagged pier
no
lost dust
For me its the otherway around, crit is still better in both aoe and st then vers. But i got alot of crit
crude notch
that means you don't have high enough crit
lost dust
Im not complaining about it, it just feelt wierd
cinder monolith
Patiently waiting for raidbots to update so I can justify bringing my prot warr tomorrow
tame coyote
Patiently waiting for raidbots to update so I can justify bringing my prot warr ...
isn't it whatever you have now and add ± 9%?
tame coyote
yeah, that's why I said ±9%. It's 8% base + 10% auto (will probably be around 1% increase overall)
spice axle
guys in what dungeons do we need to take spell block?
urban bane
can be handy in high fortified nelth and uh...
spice axle
thanks
hazy bronze
Wrecking throw worthwhile anywhere, maybe neltharus?
jagged pier
nah
hazy bronze
Too few uses to justify a more general talent point spend?
jagged pier
ye
hazy bronze
Ty ❤️
sick sentinel
aslo, yeah i know the shield on my transmog sucks ass
crude notch
that wasn't the most egregious thing i saw in that video
sick sentinel
i have 2 other mobs i can go farm, one that i killed has "30% chance to drop the shield" guess what he didnt drop
i literal went and killed the dude before this at some point
sick sentinel
that wasn't the most egregious thing i saw in that video
mostly about the grub and worm boss you are talking about i guess? or another point?
im doing the 1/2 out of 20 skill (Diablo 2 berserker) "hup" tiny jumps onto mobs so it deals damage cuz i had also got shit in the past here for using it for the polar opposite to get an easy charge off
and then i can just find a caster mob in same group and charge then
crude notch
Is there a dps spec rn that p much has the same rotation in AoE as ST like Havoc in BfA?
strong forum
Arms
And mostly fury too iirc
Except that fury slams in 1 Whirlwind every 5 globals
sick sentinel
im uploading the bracken hide i did
pulled final boss without the DK, im not entirely sure why, i figured he was going to wait for ressrect
mental scarab
Vileshard Hulk Piercing Shards NO YES
can we block the debuff with spell block or what?
nvm i cant read
proper roost
powerful
final mist
Except that fury slams in 1 Whirlwind every 5 globals
Ya, Arms' version of that is "hit Sweeping Strikes"
And tab targeting
proper roost
except if SS is down what do you do, like, cry
final mist
No
proper roost
arms aoe feels so much clunkier than fury aoe
urban bane
Is there a dps spec rn that p much has the same rotation in AoE as ST like Havoc...
outlaw comes close
sick sentinel
how come blizzard do this to me and leave me need 1 more
proper roost
nice
You got this yogi you have less than 1 hour to do a key before reset for your vault
sick sentinel
probably a bad idea
final mist
I believe in you
crude notch
I've been presented with a collection of 3 options:
Fury, Frost DK, and Outlaw.
modern brook
Fire mage
proper roost
why not subrogue 😦
plush tendon
all those are good choices, but what about S Priest?
crude notch
please see the above question. #protection message
crude notch
all those are good choices, but what about S Priest?
I'm not a caster. me smol brain
plush tendon
I stand by my Shadow Priest suggestion
plush tendon
I'm not a caster. me smol brain
have you tried it!
proper roost
oh
plush tendon
you send out all the shadows and do big damage
and people want you in your groups cause you op
and you like, hmmm maybe..... convince me
proper roost
do you care about keyging or raid?
Irrational frost DK hater here tbh but fury really fun (carpal tunnel simulator) and from what I understand outlaw is praying you don't get fucked on rolls, though the variance isn't that bad
the outlaw variance now is whether your beacon crits or not 
acoustic oasis
Does anyone know if you can cross realm mythic raid for aberrus right now?
crude notch
no
proper roost
outlaw seems fun but i've never seen a non subrogue in keys
(biased) fury warrior in keys is very fun, I turn my brain 90% off and ignore literally every affix
Facetank spitefuls because they do physical damage and you have the highest EHP out of any dps lol
urban bane
outlaw roll variance is overstated; sub more popular due to "call it in" spec
proper roost
and their death procs VR for you again lol
crude notch
it unironically might come down to two things for me:
- If I don't enjoy it, I prefer Blood over PWar. (I know I know sue me)
- Needing one 2her v. needing two 2hers.
sick sentinel
I'm not a caster. me smol brain
proper roost
the weapon thing isn't a huge deal tho tbh especially if you're funneled an ashkandur
my problem with frost dk is, so
I'm assuming you're gonna play oblit 2h cleave spec from what you mean about the 2h
modern brook
outlaw seems fun but i've never seen a non subrogue in keys
Sub was near bis xoming into the patch
proper roost
your aoe is dependent on your D&D, you need to be inside the D&D for the oblit to cleave = shit tanks drag it out of D&D and you're sad lol
modern brook
Both specs are pretty close to one another with current gear tbh
But since sub saw more usage it will continue to see more usage for a whil3
sick sentinel
i remember when unholy was really good
proper roost
Uh
actually tha'ts pretty much the only downside I'd say
modern brook
Also outlaw hasn't been roll fucked since like late bfa
sick sentinel
shame unholy is bad for keys now
proper roost
D&D also has a 30s cd/10s duration so your aoe windows are really annoying
its about the size of ravager and doesn't move
crude notch
Ah you bring up a good point, DND is cringe
toxic pewter
Play arms warrior
sick sentinel
DND was amazing when it first came out
urban bane
yeah the "damage dependent entirely on roll RNG" is a rumor that needs to die. it turns people off from one of the most fun specs
crude notch
yeah the "damage dependent entirely on roll RNG" is a rumor that needs to die. i...
did i miss someone actually saying anything about roll variance outside of you?
proper roost
ya, that's the thing I much prefer about Fury
Whirlwinding every 5th gcd like clockwork is kinda stupid but also it's WAY more freedom to move around
urban bane
proper roost
and you're not dependent on bad tank WHATSOEVER
it's ok jordan ignores or mocks all my bad takes they probably just ignored that one
crude notch
I've become so good at it I just kept going
lol
But more realistically, Outlaw is like not happening for me anyways because I'll just get flamed for not playing sub
sick sentinel
maybe one of these times, like the next raid tier
as soong as LFR is released, i will go on an LFR adventure week one
urban bane
what is your deal xD
toxic pewter
Have you asked chatgpt
proper roost
i've been leveling a subrogue and it's kinda fun tho
Like yeah technically it has 2 aoe buttons but they're pretty straightforward (just aoe combo point generator/spender)
and the ambush is literally teleports behind u
crude notch
Have you asked chatgpt
TRUE
proper roost
Kinda owns
crude notch
what is your deal xD
Oh darling, where to begin
proper roost
would have played subrogue over dps warrior if someone told me how fun it was this expansion
sick sentinel
i might do that, do all the LFR's as soon as they become available, and then juts record whatever happens and upload it
toxic pewter
Granted chatgpt data is all like 3+ years old
sick sentinel
cuz i feel like its too late in the raid life now to do it, everyone knows the real mechanics
urban bane
Actually Museless you've DQ'd Outlaw for me. GGs
? idgi
crude notch
you will one day pumpkin, i promise when you're older
urban bane
did i do something to you?
proper roost
toxic 
toxic pewter
The answers you are seeking are in the place you least want to look. Play the spec least appealing to you.
sick sentinel
i just don't like outlaw all that much
crude notch
did i do something to you?
no, i'm like 100% meme'ing ask anyone else.
uneven mason
Jordan is a real great person, never memes
uneven mason
Very literal
uneven mason
It is now
crude notch
sounding like a fury angle
proper roost
blood dk is really fun tho
wish its damage wasn't like 50% tied to shattering bone
but they probably fear a S4 BDK damage situation again
it's just cringe going from consecration to D&D, they're both extremely dependent to stand in but Cons has like a 3 gcd cooldown so even if you misplace it it's hardly punishing
plush tendon
the DnD mechs they introduced this expansion are poop
I like shattering bones... but blood just doesnt do any damage
like 40% of their power is items
proper roost
I mean shattering bone is cool I think but it's just the D&D limitation is really dumb
plush tendon
100%
if I wanted to play a paladin.... id play a paladin
but also, with the way they introduced it, it makes crimson scourge completely obselete
just killed a passive weve had since forever
proper roost
maintain ground circle is just kind of an annoying requirement especially when the cd on ground circle is very tight
graceful cobalt
Homeland Raid Horn how good is that trinket for us Protection Warriors? better that heart of Storm?
plush tendon
I dont like it
it does decent dam
but its finicky
Id prefer Heart of Storm personally
but if I had the real option, it be Beacon and Dargul
graceful cobalt
Dragul i got but Beacon no luck yet
proper roost
Homeland sims well but the sim assumes you get full hits on every drop
If a tick hits you, it splits the damage
plush tendon
Id rather have Beacon>Anvil>Grapel over Raid Horn
proper roost
It is pretty simbaity
toxic pewter
Yah I would not use raidhorn I don’t enjoy gimmick trinkets
proper roost
combine with the fact that it always @heavy mirage targets your location and means you have to move around somewhat awkwardly to optimize it which is really bad when tanking
graceful cobalt
what is Grapel?
plush tendon
from Assualt
super simple, press, do damage, has main stat
nothing special (the charge part could be slightly helpful... but we have charge)
toxic pewter
Stat trinket from experiments pretty good too
crude notch
ugh
crude notch
is hof just top 200 now?
plush tendon
honestly, Dargul+a raid trinket is good
graceful cobalt
yeah those i didn´t get at the mom than i will farm vp more
plush tendon
is hof just top 200 now?
graceful cobalt
can´t see that dungon any longer 50 runs no heart of Storm
plush tendon
yeah those i didn´t get at the mom than i will farm vp more
listen, you dont start farming for a piece until after catalyst
right now, we just gathering as many items as we can from vaults n shit
it aint worth it
crude notch
jesus there's so many guilds on echo
plush tendon
So my paladin is looking dapper.... couldve been a siq warrior if I wasnt committed to the Dwarf
god what has happened to me.... becoming a Dwarf warrior has made me play Alliance..... for over a decade I was Horde only 
crude notch
So my paladin is looking dapper.... couldve been a siq warrior if I wasnt commit...
i'd fuk
138 guilds on echo.
100 guilds on sark.
plush tendon
all not reclearing till after they get CE
honestly, it makes sense though; Zskern is the big wall.... but if you get past it, Mag is free comparitvly
crude notch
ye
plush tendon
then you on Echo and now you can basically see the end of the raid
rustic tinsel
How many pulls is Zskarn now with the cheese fixed
crude notch
361 guilds on Zskarn rn
modern brook
How many pulls is Zskarn now with the cheese fixed
1, just kill 'em
plush tendon
probably 50
crude notch
jesus
70+ seems to be the range rn.
then you got these gigachads
looking at old kill times versus new kill times on that boss are just omegalul
11+ minute kills versus kill it before 6m or it gets super spicy.
nocturne spindle
the DEEPS increase is with reset today right
crude notch
correct
nocturne spindle
awww yis
uneven mason
Time for Nom to break 6figures in every key
modern brook
noms probably d4 pilled till .5 tbh
crude notch
especially if he keeps dying
quiet minnow
Pretty stoked for dps increase. Been able to hit around 75-80 in most keys lately which I’ve been very happy with. It’s so fun to beat dps in keys
atomic nest
Do you guys set last stand on cd with 4 peice in mythic plus for damage?
quiet minnow
With this buff it’ll be even more fun
quiet minnow
Do you guys set last stand on cd with 4 peice in mythic plus for damage?
Use it offensively on cd basically
You can kinda pull around it tbh , it’s short enough cd
atomic nest
Nice thanks
pale hill
Using it is really annoying.
To be ideal kinda have to use it between pulls so the dmg buff happens before everything dies
pale hill
Its dumb af imo
quiet minnow
It’s kinda strange, but idk I just rip the fucker on cd basically. You’re more or less always in combat
So if you hit it late on one it’s up for the next
dusky canopy
Yeah I agree it would of been a lot easier to min max the damage part of it if it was during last stand instead of after
quiet minnow
Rather use it more and get more cdr than hold it for better spot
crude notch
Uh oh did he lose a hardcore character!?
yeah he got greedy got one shot by mobs that were like 8 (i think he said 8) levels above him.
vagrant oracle
+1 for on CD.
pale hill
Even with the dmg reduction thing too, it's completely passive. You can't plan big dmg phases around it intuitively.
marble crown
will the prot buffs make prot on the higher dmg tanks in m+? or not so much?
quiet minnow
I don’t think min maxing it too much is worth it minus like I’ll have it here I can pull a little more to cheese dps
nocturne spindle
Do you guys set last stand on cd with 4 peice in mythic plus for damage?
it feels better to chain pull with it, since you get more of its CD reduction while its up
i macrod it before SS
dusky canopy
I think they made it the way they did to avoid button bloat though, like ideally when LS ends you want to SS as much as possible but during the opener you have other GCDs to spend on other buttons so you’d miss out on alot of SS procs that would go to the LS buff
Idk if that made sense but it did in my head lol
quiet minnow
It’ll put us in a pretty good spot I mean good prot tanks are pulling about 85-90 in keys right now this would put them around 100, which is up there with vdh, but it’s hard to give an exact number because each key is different
pale hill
I dunno, having a 4 set that basically sets an ability to "use on CD with no thought" is super lame
atomic nest
Thanks again for tips
dusky canopy
That’s all of warrior though
So if you don’t like that you’re kinda on the wrong spec
We press all buttons on cd
We almost press wall on cd as long as we’re taking enough damage too
Unless you need it for a tank buster ofc on bosses
But like for your average pack in a key
You’d send it if it’s up
vagrant oracle
I mean, the 4 piece just adds a little flavor to your downtime on your new use on CD button
Lining up shield charge with LS then SS spam is a decent increase in over SS damage.
dusky canopy
Right like having the buff active during LS sounds nice but if you think about it you spend a lot of other gcds during LS duration in the opener
pale hill
And add demo shout into the mix. I guess that is a bit of gameplay to it
vagrant oracle
The 20s after LS falls off is when you get your shockwaves.
dusky canopy
So in that case it’s better that it’s after
vagrant oracle
It stacks cumulatively with a lot of our buffs. SC, Avatar, DS
I think an overlooked benefit (at least for me) is that the shockwave doesn’t seem to have a target cap. Where most of our abilities have one or diminish after 2-5.
pale hill
Unfortunately you have to spend 2 or 3 talent points to make Shockwave really sing.
It hits like a truck but Roar is just better?
vagrant oracle
Unfortunately you have to spend 2 or 3 talent points to make Shockwave really si...
SW from SS on the 4 piece
uneven mason
Unfortunately you have to spend 2 or 3 talent points to make Shockwave really si...
The wave damage SS makes after ls falls off
pale hill
Oh
vagrant oracle
Shockwave damage is negligible to me. I keep it for the area stun.
pale hill
Wüps
vagrant oracle
You think I trust my DPS to kick? Come on now 😂
pale hill
Fair
dusky canopy
You can actually drop shockwave depending on comp
proper roost
pretty optional if you run with a good shaman
atomic nest
Only@pug never trust anyone lol
proper roost
esp enh
uneven mason
Like let's set the nomenclature, Shockwave is our ae stun, shieldwave is the 4p
proper roost
Sundering op as fuck
orchid mural
i macrod it before SS
i macro'ed it to Demo Shout - as with the CDR they come off CD at same time.
pale hill
I wonder how big Shockwave could get with the crits talent, demo shout and avatar
dusky canopy
Like if you have a DH a Monk a shaman, a warlock
They all aoe stun
So you’ll just be instant DRing packs
dusky canopy
Might as well drop shockwave in that instance and pickup something else
But pugs are a different story
I’d run all 3 of our stops in all pugs keys
pale hill
Pugs? Ew.
That's what a guild is for
vagrant oracle
If you drop shockwave, all into Roar for more bleeds.
More bleed = more damage = mob die faster
dusky canopy
Maybe but de syncing roar feels bad
toxic pewter
servers up na
dusky canopy
More roars is probably better than less syncd roars though idk
uneven mason
Pugs? Ew.
That's what a guild is for
I joined a guild expecting a tank spot, then they were like "can you go fury"
vagrant oracle
It lines back up every 3 min or so I think.
I use shockwave a lot because I like the extra CC. Even with my groups I know, love and trust.
dusky canopy
@uneven mason just join a guild as fury using your Prot logs and then they’ll offer you a tank spot when they see all the 99s
vagrant oracle
Sometimes if the healer needs a little hand because someone got hit by the bad, a little extra CC helps out.
dusky canopy
vagrant oracle
Doesn’t do much during Raging though
uneven mason
<@123448908838862849> just join a guild as fury using your Prot logs and then th...
I'm not nom, I get 75s at best, also I haven't raided at all this xpac because I hate pugging raids
dusky canopy
Wait really? I’m not nome or jakey either but I’m slamming 95+
You got it bro
You good too
Freakin RiP the assault log bro
I CANNOT convince a pug to do the parse strat
Lololol
proper roost
yeah pugging raids is actually multiple levels of hell
pale hill
I think Demo Shout should purge Enrage mechanics. It's demoralizing afterall
proper roost
its just deeply unfun
dusky canopy
It’s beans man
I’m so sick of sark pugging
It makes me want to quit SMH
Like it’s literally a dispel every so often
Two people have to do bombs
And tanks have to mitigate a tank buster
It’s not that difficult
proper roost
i am lucky to have an option of friend guild on my shaman that means funneled gear
dusky canopy
proper roost
its so much easier on the loot after a couple weeks too
Not having to roll against everyone in the raid for OCE because 1-2 people get it every week >>>
vivid pumice
so...
pale hill
I dunno man. Standing in white circles to go to the downstairs is super hard in phase 3.
We tell people to never stand in swirlies and then we tell them they have to in QUICK SUCCESION? It just blows their minds
vivid pumice
how do you guys deal with the 3 Vicious Basilisks on the first pull of uldaman?
vagrant oracle
CC, Kite, and PI on the Warlock
Or PI on whoever else I have big D slangin that run
daring marlin
https://tenor.com/view/kite-fail-life-not-quite-go-fly-a-kite-gif-25901538
LMAO
@crude notch
where you at
it's almost time
acoustic oasis
I pray for ur 447 hammers/vp trinkets
toxic pewter
dont see why they wouldnt
proper roost
class trinket option mby idk
proper roost
Great for fury v good for arms
Would not be good for prot unless you're really down bad
daring marlin
I've gotten multiple vials on my pally lmaoooooo
daring marlin
does prot pally like heart of thunder
apparently people say HoW don't like it
I think they're weird
proper roost
a 415 whetstone is really weak in the context of this season
craggy pilot
idk i have Homeland Raid Horn, Festering Splinter and Signoll Flare
all seem worse than Whetstone
daring marlin
If you look at damage yes
sick sentinel
open as fury?
craggy pilot
431 Vial sims less than Whetstone too
daring marlin
No prime stat tho
vagrant oracle
I’m real torn on opening my vault as prot or arms today.
It’s just for the chance at 440+ Forgestorm though 😐
dusky canopy
https://tenor.com/view/kite-fail-life-not-quite-go-fly-a-kite-gif-25901538
Fucking KITE
LOL love it bro
toxic pewter
crap vault gave me sark cloak lol
i dont want to use it that much but I guess I have to
daring marlin
crap vault gave me sark cloak lol
dusky canopy
Gives damage
proper roost
444 sark cloak??
vagrant oracle
Need a damage trinket or forge storm. Guess I could open as fury.
proper roost
why no cloak angle
toxic pewter
I take it 447 normal cloak is not better than 444 sark cloak right
daring marlin
sark cloak is prolly the only choice there
toxic pewter
yeah
toxic pewter
I know the whole stamina argument, but feels bad losing stamina lmao
prisma crane
I’m real torn on opening my vault as prot or arms today.
It’s just for the cha...
If you don't need the shield open in fury
proper roost
meh uptime shmuptime it still giga stats
sick sentinel
im 2/2 seeason 1 and 2/2 season 2 set bonuses now...... fml.... lol
toxic pewter
@vestal plover 447 cloak isnt better is it I got 447 putrid and 444 sark cloak just like you
craggy pilot
do i push more or nah
quiet minnow
I’m so sick of sark pugging
Sark big time positioning / rl check
craggy pilot
i need 2 more +20 for the 2nd item being +20
quiet minnow
There’s really only one brutal transition and if you can slam some cds into it and have a plan it’s not too bad
dusky canopy
SHIT
craggy pilot
is OCE even good for M+?
toxic pewter
awkward
dusky canopy
is OCE even good for M+?
Yep
toxic pewter
sigh
toxic pewter
part of me just wants to take 447 cloak instead of 444 sark cloak is that just the wrong choice
lilac bloom
i got option on this vault
sick sentinel
heroic 4 mythic quests with rewards
dusky canopy
part of me just wants to take 447 cloak instead of 444 sark cloak is that just t...
You’d need to sim that
craggy pilot
hm, shoudl i try to do another Underrot 🤔
proper roost
catalyst is allegedly open right now
dusky canopy
Sark cloak probably wins
craggy pilot
had grp that got hard farmed to tentacles 🤦♂️
lilac bloom
either 431 ominous chromatic essence or 444 Netharion's call to chaos
proper roost
so look at ur 447 nontier options
toxic pewter
You’d need to sim that
well sark cloak will do more dam, but lose like 20k health or somethin
i guess stam doesnt matter, I know I know, etc etc
vagrant oracle
All prayers for the Beacon
simple bridge
i havent played prot in a while but how do the buffs feel ? does it atleast make us better viable again?
daring marlin
catalyst is allegedly open right now
YOU WHAT NOW
dusky canopy
All prayers for the Beacon
^
toxic pewter
YOU WHAT NOW
wait really
toxic pewter
O_O
vital arch
Lol
vagrant oracle
Me, with my full 5 pieces of Tier not caring about catalyst at this time 😂
toxic pewter
intern getting promoted this day, no affixes still lmao
proper roost
but can click on catalyst
vital arch
Bliz where catalyst????
rustic tinsel
Catalyst opening just in time for it to not matter $$$
young wasp
Is forgestorm any good if I already have 447 wep crafted? Only other option is the gloves really
rustic tinsel
Forgestorm bangs but sim
toxic pewter
sark cloak makes me lose 39k hp holy crap
sick sentinel
does set 2 have haste on gloves
young wasp
Haste/Vers
craggy pilot
what are the affixes boys?
craggy pilot
get to work
toxic pewter
I wonder if they are doable with no affixes lol
jagged pier
i mean bracken kinda free after first boss tbh
rustic tinsel
No affix keys would bang
crude notch
I may actually do something really stupid for my druid's vault
proper roost
no affix week part of rotation
proper roost
blizzard is finally answering reddit prayers
sick sentinel
i cant put my gloves in here
toxic pewter
just breadcrumb quest for next week for catalyst
crude notch
You don't get your first charge until next week
proper roost
ya they just jebaited with the quest
sick sentinel
right, but it wont even let me put the gloves in at all
proper roost
Very funny blizzard haha good april fool's joke
crude notch
right, but it wont even let me put the gloves in at all
yes because it's not a high enough ilevel
jagged pier
crude notch
push week doesn't give a shit about portals idiot
crude notch
before i do something really stupid i need to reconfirm.
tropic gorge
Doesn't the catalyst open today?
proper roost
no next week
crude notch
tertiaries stay on catalyst'd pieces right?
sick sentinel
i have 424 gloves and they wont go in the machine
crude notch
yogi
lusty grotto
tertiaries stay on catalyst'd pieces right?
yea
sick sentinel
and i also have 424 helm, i think its due to wq item
sick sentinel
com again?
tropic gorge
Are there really no affixes?
crude notch
no it's sanguine volcanic
tropic gorge
Ez
crude notch
they're just not showing up on keys rn
tropic gorge
Ah that'll be fixed before I get home and even play
proper roost
don't think world quest items have ever been catalyzeable
it's only raid and m+ items
sick sentinel
those are veteran 8/8 and i have veteran 1/8 like, boots, in bag that will go in machine
daring marlin
don't think world quest items have ever been catalyzeable
They could as long as they were high enough ilvl
daring marlin
even the uh
sick sentinel
cuz im not sure what you mean by "an upgrade track"
proper roost
guess the rules for this catalyst might be weirdge then?
daring marlin
wtf was that gear
sick sentinel
beyond "veteran" "hero"
daring marlin
the 359->purple into reach
storm gear could too
as long as it was upgraded to 385
just not as 359
tropic gorge
I think any gear should work in the catalyst regardless of Ivl
Green tier would be top tier trolling and awesome
tropic gorge
Looool
tropic gorge
Easy now guys. Blizzard is a small, independent studio
toxic pewter
could be interesting if no affixes is on purpose
sick sentinel
crude notch
the best part is it's not even affixes that are new
sick sentinel
this chat was at the catalyst
half temptes to stay there till moment servers get announced shut down and watch the mald out
proper roost
It is
INSANELY toxic if they actually intended a 0 affix week
But also it'd be extremely fucking funny
crude notch
that'd be hilarious
tropic gorge
They could at least do a 0 affix during trash boosted week if the mains are on
proper roost
"hey guys you have literally these 2 weeks in the season to see how insane gigapush you can do, better hope you can play in these 2 weeks or else"
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNv2RHR62Rs meanwhile at blizzard hq
rustic tinsel
Which intern at blizzard is getting fired for this fiesta
lusty grotto
QA was busy playing D4
rustic tinsel
What’s funny is it’s not like there’s a negative reception to no affixes
rustic tinsel
server reset to add bursting necrotic even though necrotic is gone
daring marlin
necrotic definitely was ez
lusty grotto
unless you mean old school necrotic, and then we'll be fucked
sick sentinel
sick sentinel
people are coming to the catalyst area and MALDING out hard
lusty grotto
AD bolstering is what i feared the most
lusty tiger
Atal Dazar bursting necrotic nightmare
the pterrodactal packs
sick sentinel
ML teeming
rustic tinsel
I’m going out on a limb and assuming everything got fucked today and the catalyst never was supposed to come out today
sick sentinel
AD bursting was really bad too due to the dinosaur bird on the bridge pack
lusty grotto
catalyst is week 6
rustic tinsel
Remember when the droplets in shrine had on death affixes
strong gust
catalyst quest is out today
lusty grotto
bro
cinder storm
Got cape and inex resonator on my war 
lusty grotto
its a breadcrumb quest, scroll up like 2 lines
strong gust
reading? ew
rustic tinsel
Breadcrumbge
lusty grotto
june 13 is the catalyst
fuck
idk whats worse, getting a shit fucking vault or getting a good vault with 3 decent choices
sick sentinel
i wonder how long until they change the no affix thing or if its intended
looks like bug to me
oblique kayak
i wonder how long until they change the no affix thing or if its intended
would be awesome, good reason to quit for me;)
rustic tinsel
I feel like they would’ve made an announced beforehand or pretty quickly thereafter if it was intended
I hope they leave it though
Would be a fun week
sick sentinel
they might not have caught it yet
my guess is they will shut down in another hours time
world first +50 key if its on purpose
sick sentinel
oh, blizzard will DEFINITELY be fixiing it then
cuz some dude will be angry make a ticket call in or whatever says hes gunna quit
modern brook
why cant it just be cause it wasnt intentional 😦
rustic tinsel
uhh false flag
My friend is in a 20 UR rn, I’ll ask them if they got score when they finish soon
sick sentinel
wait...... is there some bullshit going on.....
check the %'s dmg hp increase they get compared to whats listed to a normal key
maybe a 20 just is no affixes but x2 dmg hp
chilly pulsar
bruh
rustic tinsel
check the %'s dmg hp increase they get compared to whats listed to a normal key
Do you mean the key modifiers or whatever
sick sentinel
yeah like i a 20 is like +1100% or some shit
fresh igloo
so the usual scaling, just no affixes?
marble cipher
Looks like it
young wasp
Does anyone know if Forgestorm procs off of just auto attacks or abilities as well?
quasi lintel
are you guys literally swapping D/B Stance situationally like you would on fury? I usually keep it on D stance unless I know the fight is a joke
lusty grotto
you only swap to d stance for very select scenarios
proper roost
you absolutely should not dstance as DPS lol unless like you're literally
100% gonna die from a hit unless you're not in it
and don't have ER
lusty grotto
like idk festering strikes or molten slashes
proper roost
or healthstone or anything else
quasi lintel
nah so like if I was in TJS or something and was gonna get hit with an obvious AoE I'd swap to Dstance as fury and maybe pop a spell reflect and swap right back
lusty grotto
aoes? no
quasi lintel
unavoidable damage that I'll take anyway not necessarily AoE
lusty grotto
jade kick, yes
quasi lintel
you're reading too hrad into my questoin
sick sentinel
the best example of hitting d-stance i can think of is the beam when changing phases on hyrja in halls of valor
marble cipher
Answer is: stay battle stance, use dstance for the very few occasions where you'll take big damage and don't have anything else to mitigate it.
sick sentinel
its for something that hits extremely hard all at once
quasi lintel
Answer is: stay battle stance, use dstance for the very few occasions where you'...
to be fair this came up because of my clip,.. in a 20 nelth... at 438
everytghing in nelth on fortified is terrifying
marble cipher
It's fine tbf, just some planning needed for fort nelth
lusty grotto
then swap right back
should be easier now with 30s spell block
probably wont need dstance
marble cipher
First pull is a dstance pull for me usually. Well, somewhere during the pull. After wall and spell block are gone, and pack is still too alive
Ah yeah, might not be anymore now
quasi lintel
yall turning my world upside down right now
marble cipher
Dstance is also my go to if I see my healer going down. Just a reflex thing
rustic tinsel
uhh false flag
Friend said he got no score for it but it did count towards the vault
quasi lintel
this whole time since I've joiend this discord yall spitting facts that I haven't even thought of.. I got to 2900 last season and thought I was alright but now I just think i'm garbage lol
proper roost
Friend said he got no score for it but it did count towards the vault <:okayge:9...
ye was fake news smg
quasi lintel
first season playing M+ competitively
proper roost
Guessing because no tyr/fort the game actually has nowhere to put the io
quasi lintel
like the whole idea behind doing more damage means mitigation because the pack cant hurt you if they'er dead is insane to me I've always thought that my main role is to be as survivable as possible even if I'm not dealing damage
hardy snow
some devs was just busy playing Diablo so they didn't implement stuff for new week properly
proper roost
no
that hasn't been true since like wotlk
tank damage is high and important in keys
quasi lintel
incidentally when I stopped playing before DF
proper roost
if you're doing a key right you should be doing 100k+ dps, even with blaster dps you are about 15% of a key's DPS
final mist
Friend said he got no score for it but it did count towards the vault <:okayge:9...
Also gives portals too apparently
marble cipher
D4 players suddenly getting sanguine in their dungeons I guess
quasi lintel
here I was all excited cause I'm breaking 80-90k
lost dust
Can you use last stand before the a m+ start and keep the 4set buff?
hardy snow
like the whole idea behind doing more damage means mitigation because the pack c...
you survavibility must meet point so you dont die, anything above that doesnt matter, as you wont die anyway
marble cipher
Can you use last stand before the a m+ start and keep the 4set buff?
Yes
marble cipher
It's very worth it in several if not all dungeons
proper roost
conspiracy theory
blizzard intentionally fucked up affixes because most of the keyers are playing d4
Gotta give us an easy week that doesn't count for shit while everyone gets their d4 fix
cinder storm
Wait, so you go in a dungeon and there's no affixes?
daring marlin
correct
acoustic oasis
No fort, no tryannical
cinder storm
Best.Day.Ever
tawny briar
I also read that u don't get score though
acoustic oasis
At work for another 6 hours rip
daring marlin
that's what people are telling tettles too
tough rampart
You can get the portals for doing a 20 tho
daring marlin
it is yes
proper roost
so rat alts can scrounge 431 gear
lusty grotto
that probably will get rolled back
sick sentinel
that probably will get rolled back
this im in this camp
cinder storm
I want to say unlikely
quiet minnow
I hope it does, but it won’t
When has blizz ever rolled back anything that rewards degen behavior
cinder storm
What if, it's intended? A whole week with no affixes but no io
quiet minnow
Fuck that
jagged pier
they would have said
quiet minnow
Would be so shit unannounced
cinder storm
They forgot, d4 too good, brb
proper roost
it's definitely not intended lol and if it is people will riot
lusty grotto
depends, its still easier to filter out for people completing runs within a timeframe than, say, whoever exploited barter bricks
final mist
Just seems like a lot of bugs
proper roost
imagine this set in 8 weeks or whatever, nearer to the season end
"You want to push io this week? No lol, get fucked"
final mist
Catalyst breadcrumb quests out when it's not supposed to be until next week, no key affixes, I've seen screenshots of people getting old keys, etc
Definitely not intended
cinder storm
Realistically, this means many braindead people will have 20s/21s once the bug is fixed looking for carries
toxic pewter
if i do a key right now would I get credit for it
final mist
^
cinder storm
proper roost
i've definitely not had plenty of 2700+ io dps who don't kick basic mechanics 
quiet minnow
Yeah already happens constantly and carries are cheap as shit cause gear is busted
final mist
You'll get portals, vault. Etc
lusty grotto
if its not recorded on io, you won't see it anyway
final mist
No io
final mist
You'll get portals, vault. Etc
.
proper roost
yeah vault and ports are happening
lusty grotto
no idea, i have all ports so no way to test
toxic pewter
awkward week
cinder storm
This is history in the making, this week will be interesting
lusty grotto
i can check on an alt
toxic pewter
I hope they remove everyones portals
proper roost
Imagine a flex if someone had a giga rat character that had only done +2s or something that had all 8 portals
That would own actually
toxic pewter
honestly might suspend everyone for abusing game bug
quiet minnow
They won’t
final mist
Carrying people is already really easy
proper roost
No shot
quiet minnow
100% willl not
proper roost
The bug has been around for almost 2 hours now
quiet minnow
There’s no way to know if you are casual player. Why would you get banned for that?
toxic pewter
ignorance is not an excuse
cinder storm
Looting a boss multiple times yeah, but running a new dungeon with a new loot table and working your way towards it, no shot they will lose their gear
final mist
At most we might see a portal or IO rollback
dusky canopy
TBF guys I’m chillin, Blizzard score gets me to mouse over a person and then their R.io history gets me to invite them
final mist
(Assuming it gives you in-game leader board completion status)
dusky canopy
I could care less if people get 20s in this week that they shouldn’t be able to otherwise
It’ll be easy to filter them out as normal
quiet minnow
I don’t want ppl to
proper roost
if i had to guess theyre debating if disabling keys or not while trying to fix it hurts more
atm
cinder storm
Anyone tried any key already?
quiet minnow
It ruins the prestige of portals for an entire season
final mist
I am not home but I've seen people do them
final mist
It ruins the prestige of portals for an entire season
Portals already didn't have any prestige
quiet minnow
Like what happened with inflated pvp rating
toxic pewter
its unfair to award people with portals if they do it this way
final mist
It's piss easy to get them
quiet minnow
Portals already didn't have any prestige
They do to a lot of players
It’s not easy for 99.5% of the population. Lmao
dusky canopy
Portals don’t carry prestige in my mind because people sell Carry’s for them
The only prestigious achievement in this game is hall of fame
final mist
I've met several people in random pugs with upwards of 3.3k io score from last season and already at like 2.8k season who are absolute dogwater, score and portals means absolutely nothing
dusky canopy
And that’s only because you really don’t get carried into it
toxic pewter
They matter to me, people that pay for anything in this game are not counted in any equations anyway
toxic pewter
well they are canceled out in my mind
dusky canopy
It’s unnecessary
quiet minnow
I've met several people in random pugs with upwards of 3.3k io score from last s...
This is such an unbelievably classic wow player take. The second you get past any hurdle anyone below it is shit
sick sentinel
i knew it
final mist
This is such an unbelievably classic wow player take. The second you get past an...
You misunderstand
rustic tinsel
cinder storm
https://www.wowhead.com/news/mythic-dungeons-disabled-until-further-notice-33336...
Sadge
daring marlin
LMAO
rustic tinsel
Actual case of fun detected
jagged pier
Portals already didn't have any prestige
all portals last season was top 7% of character that do m+, there is prestige for ppl, its top 4% in S2 right now
soft plume
so i just completed a +20 NL and got no IO from it
final mist
Someone with 3.3k score doing 30k st in a 20 is not exactly the definition of what I would consider good
toxic pewter
seems like the people paying for stuff are the ones losing sleep tbh, they cannot handle what needs to be done
final mist
At any io score range
quiet minnow
Someone with 3.3k score doing 30k st in a 20 is not exactly the definition of wh...
If someone is 3.3k io they are ranked higher than all but like what 500 players?
How is that not prestigious
final mist
I don't mind people being bad, but score and such is not always a good indication of someone's ability
quiet minnow
Insane take
sick sentinel
RIIP zero affix week
final mist
??
cinder storm
I would never accept a 3.3k on a 20, from my experience, they often go to test stuff out and chill
sick sentinel
you went on to the after life too soon
dusky canopy
Maybe I’m alone in this but I’d be happy having no affixes at all but keep the infinite scaling health and damage as the key level goes up
All affixes are annoying to me personally
Some easier than others sure but still annoying none the less
dusky canopy
I don't mind people being bad, but score and such is not always a good indicatio...
I agree with this guy
cinder storm
Maybe I’m alone in this but I’d be happy having no affixes at all but keep the i...
You are not, I would have been fine with a no affixes no io week
Either take a break week or push your alts week imo, and I think that would've been fine
toxic pewter
I dunno, I still think affixes add some randomness/flavor to the run week to week I agree theyre not all balanced and some are more annoying than others though
sick sentinel
would have been a great practice runs week
for alts and newer palyers say
so they just leanr the content
quiet minnow
Score isn’t indicative of someone’s ability entirely, but all 20s is still a good achievement that a massive % of the player base will never get. It still carries some weight
dusky canopy
Bruniss, Yes however the simple fact that they can be bought makes them less attractive from that perspective
quiet minnow
You can buy CE too
dusky canopy
Right
quiet minnow
You can buy anything really
dusky canopy
Same perspective
final mist
That's why you don't look solely at "oh they have this they must be good"
lusty grotto
that doesnt take away from what hes saying
final mist
That's what I'm saying
dusky canopy
You only can judge a person accurately through their logs
Everything else is cosmetic
final mist
Just because someone has every portal a week into a season doesn't necessarily mean they are a good player
lusty grotto
indeed
quiet minnow
I just hate wow player takes like that which devalue everything anyone worse than them does
Esp when those takes are coming from someone who apparently regularly plays with 3.3k io ppl like your wow experience is not the same lol
cinder storm
I know of someone who attempted to buy title, he did so from a top 10 CE guild, he ended up -3 from obtaining his title, they were selling so many that they helped increase the threshold
final mist
I don't regularly play with 3.3k io score people
dusky canopy
Bruniss I don’t deny that getting all portals is an accomplishment. I’m just saying it’s not something that you use to judge a persons skill
Because it can be bought
quiet minnow
You could buy anything though
lusty grotto
i dont think thats what he was saying
quiet minnow
You can probably buy hof
dusky canopy
Maybe I miss read
lusty grotto
its a milestone that people look at, it doesnt mean the player will actually be good
dusky canopy
Yes all portals is something 90% of the player base looks up to
Or would it be 93% technically
Last season
dusky canopy
True
dusky canopy
Yeah that’s true jakey I didn’t consider that when I sent my comment
quiet minnow
Its just very alienating and discouraging to the majority of players here who probably have never even timed a single 20 key for ppl to be like “shits ez lmao”
jagged pier
do we know is raidbots is updated today
it should be from what i know
toxic pewter
bleh sanguine I knew it would be this one lol
fluid beacon
It says "latest" version but idk if its considering our buffs from this week
soft plume
i mean timing 20s is easy i dont know how else to put it, at this point of the tier everyone should be outgearing 20s
quiet minnow
It wasn’t ez for you at one point
dusky canopy
Yeah it wasn’t always easy
final mist
I've always been of the opinion that the game is easy, it just takes time to learn the game. How fast people learn the game differs, but everything is already known so all you have to do is practice.
lusty grotto
perspective in this discord is skewed, we see it as easy, its not easy for 99% of the wow pop
dusky canopy
People in the top 1% forget that
final mist
Most people don't practice or care.
jagged pier
for a lot of ppl in a discord its ez because discord is mainly the higher lvl players as they want to get better well the ppl that talk anyway u find
final mist
That's why it's not easy for a lot of people.
jagged pier
but just because some is ez for u does not mean it is for the majority of ppl
lusty grotto
yeah this
jagged pier
like did u see the screenshots of the vaults earlier most of them didnt even have a single 447 option or 444 or 441
cinder storm
just because I havent been mugged doesnt mean thieves dont exist
jagged pier
they were all 424-437 mostly
dusky canopy
My coworker is a prime example of this game not being easy. He’s extremely overwhelmed in a M0
Has no idea where he’s going
Doesn’t know what to kick
Barely knows his class
soft plume
guess u right, im standing in valdrakken and most of these people dont have a timed 20
dusky canopy
You guys all forget that is where most people start
lusty grotto
i think when people say "its easy" it kind of devalues their achievements and they don't know it, it's weird
quiet minnow
I just think it’s ok to have some perspective and say yeah now that I have done this for years and have a lot of ppl who know how to do so on friends list, it is easy for me now
final mist
Yeah, and it would just take time and a bit of effort for that guy to get better
Most people just don't give a shit
Which is fine
jagged pier
its because they play in a highend part of the game which is completel;y differnt to the majoprity of players
lusty grotto
like its flexing, but you're also saying any monkey can do it so not really flexing at all
final mist
The barrier to entry for wow is not very high at all with the amount of information that exists
jagged pier
its valid to say they are ez for you, sure they can be for you
quiet minnow
It’s very hard to get good at m+, it’s very overwhelming for a lot of ppl, and for even all of you here who are great at the game at one point it was very overwhelming to you too
jagged pier
but that isnt inline with other ppl
dusky canopy
I would place my bet on the majority of the player base does lfr, heroic dungeon lfg, and world content.
You guys over estimate the player bases ability
quiet minnow
The barrier to entry for wow is not very high at all with the amount of informat...
It is though— if you don’t have a lot of friends who are genuinely good players the game is insanely hard to get good at
dusky canopy
Also a fair bet jakey yes
lusty grotto
and pet battles 🙂
cinder storm
I have a friend who does bfa and legion raid every sunday, and its full of people, always
jagged pier
its something like 50% of the playerbase doesnt do a single m+
sure there are bots in that stat etc etc
but a lot of ppl just treat the game as a single player rpg
dusky canopy
I’ll just go ahead and repeat jakey, the simple fact that you are in this discord reading this chat puts you miles ahead of the player base
lusty grotto
alright keys are disabled
fluid beacon
"Latest" im Raidbots is correct and current btw
dusky canopy
Let alone talking in here asking questions
lusty grotto
soft plume
i've always wondered if that counts the people who download the game at the start of the xpac and then uninstall when they hit max level or even before they get max level
does it count peoples alts whom they played for 5 hours and then quit
cinder storm
I have to agree with Bruniss, tho, my brain understands, yet has a hard time comprehending why other people's brains are unable to grasp simple concepts needed to time a 20
tropic gorge
i've always wondered if that counts the people who download the game at the star...
People that do that, are probably the favs of the bean counters.
A game sale. A sub sale. Perfect
lusty grotto
"Latest" im Raidbots is correct and current btw
what are you simming for, the buffs are flat damage increase, if you're simming for upgrades then any changes to reflect that in simc won't matter
if youre looking for numbers, it might
but not for upgrades
dusky canopy
I don’t think Bruniss is wrong in saying that all 20s timed is a respected accomplishment. However I don’t agree that you use that as a metric to determine skill.
lusty grotto
nobody was saying that
urban portal
heres the thing
lusty grotto
we're all in agreement that it doesnt
urban portal
timing all 20s doesnt mean you are good
not having all 20s time means you are definitely not good
tropic gorge
Wow isn't exactly a skill based game imo
dusky canopy
Right right we’re on the same page then
dusky canopy
Wow isn't exactly a skill based game imo
It absolutely is
cinder storm
a 20 is kind of an imposed metric by blizz since it gives portals
dusky canopy
If you want the best stuff anyway
soft plume
all 99 parses duh
dusky canopy
That’s subjective based on the person jakey
jagged pier
then the only good m+ ppl are title owners
lusty grotto
top anything wont, you see good players in action, that's pretty much it... even logs can get padded to fucking hell
jagged pier
my point is this also doesnt mean anything
lusty grotto
but things like KSH/good logs can give you "an idea", logs being a more educated one
tropic gorge
If you're running and timing any key at any level you're a better player than almost half the total game population
dusky canopy
Logs are the only way to accurately judge someone’s skill
You don’t just look at the dps number
soft plume
i always check logs when i form groups cause u can fix mechanics u cant fix numbers in my experience
tropic gorge
Jakey I've been told they do private logs
lusty grotto
right right
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
LOL
urban portal
during the world last race
dusky canopy
urban portal
last tier
i garuantee you half of those guilds would clear
if they just made everyone install hekili
jagged pier
Jakey I've been told they do private logs
they dont cause u can see the reports then just cant access them, also if they were top they wouldnt mind ppl looking at logs for getting better
like my logs are always public same as nomes
are mistakes are there
our wins are there
tropic gorge
I've always thought it was odd that we can't find top tier guild and player logs
dusky canopy
Guilds pretty much hide logs until HoF is full
cinder storm
Jakey is gohan, Nome is Vegeta and sense is Goku
jagged pier
I've always thought it was odd that we can't find top tier guild and player logs
well its not really guild logs thats fine understandable tbh, its m+ logs im talking about
dusky canopy
After that it doesn’t matter
tropic gorge
I don't understand how people can judge their performance without logs
quiet minnow
thats what hekili is for
Seriously though. I can reliably hit my sim dps on outlaw following herorotation
jagged pier
no need to not log keys or hide them
tropic gorge
Shit I log everything
jagged pier
espiecally when they come in here and try and argue then have no info to back it up
tropic gorge
My logs are like yours. You can see every mistake and blown up key I've been in lmao
dusky canopy
I’m the same way antinus I live log everything I do everyday I play
peak flint
whats a good percent for haste and for vers
dusky canopy
The good and the bad
lusty grotto
all of it for haste
peak flint
like how much
lusty grotto
and how dare you ask about versa
tropic gorge
I’m the same way antinus I live log everything I do everyday I play
Part of playing the game for me is uploading logs after I exit the game
cinder storm
Can't they log computer side? @jagged pier
lusty grotto
like how much
to infinity
dusky canopy
whats a good percent for haste and for vers
4000% haste any % Vers
peak flint
lol
tropic gorge
Tbh I basically ignore vers. If I have any, cool
tropic gorge
If I don't. Oh well. I'll push shield block
quiet minnow
what difines good in terms of wow
What defines good in wow is basically this for most wow players: anyone worse than me is a garbage noob, and anyone better than me is a fuckin tryhard nolifer
tropic gorge
Ya I'm a crit haste monkey
rough spruce
Most people pushing high keys have some good vers tho
tropic gorge
Oh speaking of. I got that badass crit trinket from normal raid last night
lusty grotto
Most people pushing high keys have some good vers tho
because they are pushing very high keys, you're probably not
tropic gorge
I forgot the name. Has a shit load of crit
lusty grotto
low 20s arent "very high keys"
dusky canopy
Well also there’s a lot of gear with Vers on it right now
tropic gorge
Low 20s to me is a high key
dusky canopy
They might of just landed vault items with Vers
tropic gorge
20s are high to me