okie!
#protection
tidal nimbus
ah alright
and should i stay in gladiator or defencive? Or just swap to defence when there is a big pull or smth
warm plinth
We stay in Battle Stance 95% of the time. The other 5% being tankbusters or dangerous packs
tidal nimbus
k gud cheerszx
and also i just use sheild charge, ravager,roar and such on cd
avatar too
but obv i save my defencives for like
hard hitting things
or panic buttons
marble cipher
defensives can almost also be used on CD, since we lower the CD of them quite a lot while doing our "rotation"
but, obv hold them for stuff you know that's coming
warm plinth
Yes, press Demo Shout before CDs though, since it buffs their damage.
strong forum
check again
tidal nimbus
yea yea
warm plinth
And lines up with all our CDs
tidal nimbus
oh demoralizing is gonna be with the offensive ones
warm plinth
Yes, with booming voice it increases the damage the enemies take
tidal nimbus
ok so if i charge into a pack i assume i should ignore pain right? Like for openers i ignore
warm plinth
Plus it provides 30 rage per cast
warm plinth
No, your first cast going into a pack should always be shield block
marble cipher
charge + avatar + demo > block (or block before charge if you have rage > thunderclap shield charge GO HAM
marble cipher
(that's my way of going into a pack)
crude notch
check again
tidal nimbus
but ye rn i aint like
doing any high keys, focusing on my main
trying to get three chars to keystone master this season
item level and gear rn
crude notch
blaze
tidal nimbus
also isnt war pretty dependant on healer? I dont have a lot of self heals
speaking of, should i use victory rush as much as i can
strong forum
not rly dependant no
marble cipher
not "pretty" dependant tbf, depends on the damage type
for physical damage we can mitigate a lot of it, outside of that, IP handles a lot, and victory rush "helps"
But, more dependant as a paladin or dk obviously
tidal nimbus
ok
but ye should i use impending vicory when i can to help out the healers?
as a mistweaver alt i need
all the help i can when i heal
so i asusme it would be good
tidal nimbus
k
and again on IP
should i just use it when i can but not to the point where i depleate all my rage
marble cipher
sorta, yeah, but if you really don't need it, revenge will obv give more dps
tidal nimbus
yeye
oh and on single target do i still just use revenge
so yea just use ignroe pain as a defencive for heavy hits and just every now and again
also how long should i keepmy onyx ring?
tidal nimbus
ah okie
good thing i checked this discord out!
turns out i made a lot of errors as prot war
thank you guys so damn much for being kind w the questions <3
and ik it says on the faq but just to check
after getting quite a bit of item level
i should stack verst and haste
haste having top prio
tidal nimbus
ah ok
so
i build haste top prio
and try to get equal crit and haste building?
and ignore mastery :P
strong forum
tiny bit of mastery, like 1-1.5k
tidal nimbus
ah ok
strong forum
but ilvl > haste > crit >=vers > mastery
tidal nimbus
i main sub rogue so i am used to building mast and crit lmao
mighty valley
you don’t really need to overthink it, since you just grab ilvl upgrades pretty much every time
plus tier pieces
tidal nimbus
ill wait for cata for tier pieces
cause i really dislike tanking outside of guild group for raids
and this aint my main
mighty valley
and then gem/enchant for haste/crit if you’re cool
vocal nimbus
is it worth it to spec into double shield wall for rashok MM?
strong forum
wouldnt say so
if youre super scared you can just rotate SW and spellblock
if you play spellblock that is
mighty valley
people keep asking that and I’m not seeing it, it’s less shield walls total across the fight and less rage gen right
tidal nimbus
also should i use spell reflect as much as possible?
any casts i should take note of that i can reflect
crude notch
this race for 100 is crackhead material.
mighty valley
there’s a helpful sheet in pins of the big reflects
strong forum
even if you cant reflect, SR still grants 20% magic dmg reduction
strong forum
only on 2 or less targets
mighty valley
basically replace revenge with it on bosses
brave jungle
Can I see somewhere when I want to run Intervene or Spell Block in season 2?
ionic fern
vivid abyss
So now i know that we want spell block for neltharus even tho i timed 21 as warrior paining through the wardens and kiting as much as i could 
and then we want it for the HoI for the dragon pulls right? Those stunable casters hit like a truck as well paired with dragons breath
Do we want it somewhere else as well or nah?
Didnt feel like its must have elsewhere
mental scarab
You can move out from the breath
warm plinth
Yeah it's very easy to move out of the breath in HoI
mental scarab
That helps alot
vivid abyss
Yeah i know u can 🙂 i did do it recently although i dont know the exact range i usually just use heroic
mental scarab
i run to africa
vivid abyss
But still the caster in 20 hits for 400k without block
The one that has the interrupt heal and then stunable cast
Spell reflect is pog there 😄 but i messed up and died yesterday there.... we didnt have priest for MD on the dot tho
warm plinth
It's only 15 yard range; you can legit just start moving away when the cast starts and you'll make it easily
vivid abyss
Yeah i am doing war as alt to my dk so i didnt have much exp with it
warm plinth
But yeah it might be worth using spell block in there just for the ice lances
They fuck
clear trench
i use Mark of Dargrul and talisman
its a short cd defencive
and mark its good for aoe and single target damage
novel cloak
Doesnt the dragon breath chase you though? or you guys are leaping away?
vale escarp
It will still face you, you cant sidestep it
crude notch
the dragon breath has a 15 yd range meaning you can get out of it
vale escarp
Yes just go away
sick sentinel
im gunna hate fortified uldaman forever now
vale escarp
Why?
sick sentinel
pull 2 died, pulled it 3 keys died 3 times to it, and its just nasty dungeon to run in general
we had a group with 3 differernt dispellers on an 11
and this was still the best we could manage for time
even when i bumped the key down from 13 to 12 to 11 joining random pugs.... and finally on the 11..... pulling only 2 groups of mobs instead of 3 like before one 12 and 13........
still...... dead......
vale escarp
Pull 2 got the basilisks?
sick sentinel
yeah and some troggs
proper thunder
if you got the bleed on you - use shield wall, else kite around and dont get hit
sick sentinel
its tainted for me a bit now, not gunna be able to drop that bias easily
vale escarp
The bleed Hits hard
proper thunder
be dwarf or have evoker heal to remove bleed if you want to face tank it
crude notch
not in an 11.
vale escarp
not in an 11.
Belive me, it still hits hard. Normally tanking +18 and the bleed damage still suprised me on an +12
proper thunder
not in an 11.
why learn it "wrong" even in low keys - just kite these crocs around and be happy
sick sentinel
TBF, im only really after the KSM mount
so, if i decide i REALLY don't like uldaman, i'll just never coem back to it or baby steps
clear trench
Doesnt the dragon breath chase you though? or you guys are leaping away?
Step back a little and u will be fine.
stark jewel
yo guys, tried a key as prot the other day for the first time since last season (I main fury), would this be considered good? key is an 18 freehold and im ilvl 439 with 421 weapon
crimson furnace
it is beautiful!
stark jewel
not sure how much dmg prot is "supposed" to do now
stark jewel
it is beautiful!
oh thank you!
clear trench
not sure how much dmg prot is "supposed" to do now
It rly good, i normally do around 60k DPS and 30k heal
stark jewel
also, overall I felt less tanky than last season, the bosses in fh did nothing but some of the packs I got quite low, is that because my shield is only 415, are we actually less tanky, or am I just rusty?
crimson furnace
its fort week and u need to be more careful with packs
stark jewel
ye I think I might have overpulled in the area after eudora
weak spindle
With zskarn. Did you guys 3 tank. If so what comp did you use/jobs.
Our guild is questioning between 2/3 tanking. Bringing monk dk warrior or monk dk dk
strong forum
its funny how they could fix that boss for us with 1 little trick
just make spellblock work <.<
weak spindle
quiet minnow
even when i bumped the key down from 13 to 12 to 11 joining random pugs.... and ...
its kinda hard with raging but i usually charge>demo>sc>shockwave>wall and then before wall runs out you can start to kinda soft kite em with a slow
gives you a bit of uptime to do some damage and gain threat and maybe a little ip
sick sentinel
https://media.tenor.com/LlHFtsu4S00AAAAM/anime-tragic.gif every time i did that pull
quiet minnow
yeah sweating lmao its brutal. i think going in with a plan on certain pulls with help immensely, this one for sure is one that imo you should have an idea of what you're planning on doing before you pull them
quiet minnow
im just going dwarf tbh
that pull, the later lizasrd guys (although that one is easy) teh million poisons
tame coyote
Belive me, it still hits hard. Normally tanking +18 and the bleed damage still s...
yeah did a 17 this morning, 2 stacks, 1 tick took off all my IP (150%+), 2nd tick almost 1 shot me, proced BSV. It chunks.
quiet minnow
pulls like that are why i like tyra over fort lol
as dps i like fort more
tank i hate fort
tame coyote
tank i hate fort
depends on the dungeon tbf. 1 phasing certain bosses is kinda fun hehehe
craggy pilot
on pull 9, are they linked to the opposite side?
and wtf do i do vs 3 stack Chomp 🤔
the cast seems too short to run away from
quiet minnow
rip all your groups aoe stuns into them and use demo/wall and if theyre not dead yet slow and run away is the only way ive had any luck
have to start running a little earlier on raging
craggy pilot
rip all your groups aoe stuns into them and use demo/wall and if theyre not dead...
we had hunter+dh+pala+shaman, and i just insta died even through Wall
and they were all like pikachu face
quiet minnow
that pull is such a troll pull to put that early too lol. i dont even want to tank it just cause of that one sometimes
craggy pilot
but idk when i get chomp + stone spike theres not much more i can do
crude notch
and wtf do i do vs 3 stack Chomp 🤔
you don't take 3 stacks of chomp is what you do
craggy pilot
so i kite the entire pack
quiet minnow
well that really, yeah-- i try not to get more than 1
craggy pilot
until its dead?
quiet minnow
but yeah
after stuns and everythin are done its time to boogie
if you have group slows it helps. binding from hunters/tar/etc
craggy pilot
but he will recast it insta when i get back in melee right?
its not like outranging starts the CD i guess 🤔
i think i need to split the #2 pull tho
quiet minnow
but he will recast it insta when i get back in melee right?
i just dont go back into melee until they are dead
you can drag them back a bit then leap back over tehm
craggy pilot
i just dont go back into melee until they are dead
so just go in, ravager + roar
then out and wait
quiet minnow
i think i need to split the #2 pull tho
you can do this year
quiet minnow
so just go in, ravager + roar
i charge > demo>sc>shockwave>wall> then start considering the exits
hit roar/rav inthere
if i get 1 stack im out instantly
not trying for 2
craggy pilot
nah its so much easier on my Dwarf Paladin 🤣
quiet minnow
im not the best tank though, there may be others with better ideas
quiet minnow
i split that pack into two always because the timer is pretty free anyways
craggy pilot
do you know this pack before 2nd boss, is it linked or what?
i tried to pull only the left side 🤔
didnt seem to work well
quiet minnow
oh i dont pull those packs separate, i have never seven noticed them-- on bromach?
wait thats before
i thought that was in the boss room for a sec lmao
craggy pilot
oh well guess i need to go with Evoker healers 😄
quiet minnow
dwarfs you can cc chain pretty hard with shockwave/int shout/storm bolt/pummel/etc
ive noticed though that at least in the last like week or so i have had nonstop groups full of people who absolutely REFUSE to kick or stun anything, so ive started just inviting DH and rogues to keys and msging them to help. if you have groups with all range and they are not coordinated on kicks and just burn all 3 every time on the same cast you will not have fun unfortunately 😦
winter aspen
Whats a good m+ overall for prot ?
craggy pilot
ive noticed though that at least in the last like week or so i have had nonstop ...
we need hybrids for the affix
winter aspen
Lets say 100k+ for dps would be decent
winter aspen
Whats for prot then ?
sick sentinel
is 10 a custodian
crude notch
that's not at all what i meant
craggy pilot
damn the first pack after Frog boss in HOI slaps man
crude notch
Lets say 100k+ for dps would be decent
FH and VP are gonna have two very different DPS numbers
sick sentinel
fortified keys in general slap
craggy pilot
or Ice Shard is stun i bet
atomic nest
Odd non warrrior question but can’t figure it out.. alt got a 428 ring from dungeon but I have nothing higher or the same but I could still trade it anyone know why?
winter aspen
FH and VP are gonna have two very different DPS numbers
Thats true but in general
sick sentinel
got some trogg dude meleeing you fro 200k in an 11
craggy pilot
got some trogg dude meleeing you fro 200k in an 11
sounds like you didnt block
sick sentinel
didn't think they'd do 186k whites in an 11
crude notch
Thats true but in general
You say that's true but then ask in general
craggy pilot
didn't think they'd do 186k whites in an 11
so you just dont click Shield Block cus its 11? 😄
winter aspen
You say that's true but then ask in general
60,70,80k ?
sick sentinel
ya well, if i figured out alot earlier they meleee for 186k in an 11
and they 20% dmg increase
crude notch
60,70,80k ?
Depends on the dungeon
craggy pilot
guess i need Spell Block for HOI 🤔
daring marlin
nope
craggy pilot
what do you do for the Dragon then?
daring marlin
back step 15 yeards
crude notch
happy rat key monday guilford
craggy pilot
is it possible to make a range check WA 🤔
plush tendon
you can download one from Wago
I have one
but its really not that helpful tbh, you can eyeball it and its fine
quiet minnow
what do you do for the Dragon then?
spell block helps-- if you struggle with backstepping other stuff its nice as an emergency for the slow if you dont get dispelled quickly
get timers-- i like the ability timeline weakaura-- and when the dragon is about to cast start running
it will plant and youll outrange every time
strong forum
my goal for after next week, assuming full gear, would be 95k+ in every dungeon and 120-140k in FH/BH
quiet minnow
just warn your melee that you will have to backstep breath so cant point dragon in "ideal" area
uneven mason
Odd non warrrior question but can’t figure it out.. alt got a 428 ring from dung...
Loot isn't restricted anymore
quiet minnow
Whats for prot then ?
idk around 65-70k is probably around the "average decent" range
daring marlin
my goal for after next week, assuming full gear, would be 95k+ in every dungeon ...
Sounds like an ez goal for you bro.
quiet minnow
nomeratur does insane dam, so do some other pwars here tbh, so wouldn't feel bad if you can't hit his damage-- there's a reason he's orange
uneven mason
TFW you haven't done any keys this week because.... reasons
daring marlin
strong forum
yeah its not too far away
already did 90k in neltharus and 85k in VP, so shouldnt be too far away
daring marlin
They should prolly buff BDK dam more.
uneven mason
They should prolly buff BDK dam more.
Hey now, going to get the pinkbois up in arms, other tanks should be restricted to 50% of their potential
misty sail
whats the dps difference between 2set and 4 set in a dungeon?
frosty mist
@strong forum Whats your ilvl ? 'cause I was doing a 55k in neltharus 15 with my 428 wprot. Don't know if it is ok or bad.
clear trench
whats the dps difference between 2set and 4 set in a dungeon?
Aoe shield slam?
hardy snow
y but in % or dps
it did 7.44% in FH21 for me for example
but it varies, depends on pulls, etc.
misty sail
👍
crude notch
Hey now, going to get the pinkbois up in arms, other tanks should be restricted ...
he is one of the pink bois. 🤡
uneven mason
Impossible, he doesn't use an anime girl pfp
crude notch
you realize that's like half of all discord users right
you're being pretty weird rn Ikarogi
uneven mason
No more than usual
Maybe it built up, I haven't been around since like, Tuesday last week
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> Whats your ilvl ? 'cause I was doing a 55k in neltharus 1...
435ish?
at the time i was like 429? maybe
uneven mason
But was it a 421 pogstorm
strong forum
no
uneven mason
I figured I'd pad my chances and upgraded my crafted weapon to 437, almost assured to have a pogstorm drop now
strong forum
tbf
well yeah it is low
but its moreso just to show whats possible
wouldnt expect everybody to pull those numbers
uneven mason
<@192743144276623360> Whats your ilvl ? 'cause I was doing a 55k in neltharus 1...
If you're not doing sizeable pulls around your CDs
frosty mist
Yeah I know, but there is progress I can make
strong forum
in neltharus i literally pull around myself
no fucks given about the group
i do each corridor in 2 pulls tops in neltharus
if you wanted to push higher dps you could, but that requires better dps than pugs
uneven mason
Also requires pug DPS to not momentum into the pack and Eyeburmz the instant you have more than one target
frosty mist
Ok, I see. I make smaller pack probably. But I know I will have too manage every cut and control 'cause my Group suck.
So with bigger pack with more cuts and so
uneven mason
Feels suss
frosty mist
Yesterday in uldapan (16) with 2 wars, they made less than 10 cuts on the entire run.
strong forum
but thats downstairs basically
pretty standard i th ink
okay if i pull 4 more birds its 100%
strong forum
thunderclap
frosty mist
Pack of 3 between 1 and 2 ?
craggy pilot
thunderclap
wont they stun before i can get close enough?
strong forum
no
you can get them out before they stun you
they take a while
alternatively heroic leap
if you know where they are
marble cipher
you'll go into combat whenever they're close, and then you can insta clap them
strong forum
Pack of 3 between 1 and 2 ?
too much overcount
and 2 casters that can enrage the golems is bad juju
uneven mason
You don't use the door by 2nd boss?
marble cipher
I take the golums on top of 3
and pull the two triple packs together, two casters, but no golems means no worries
strong forum
You don't use the door by 2nd boss?
that door opens?
uneven mason
Yes
strong forum
how
uneven mason
It's pickable
strong forum
also why should i
craggy pilot
i only get this to 95% 😄
strong forum
craggy pilot
oh you take the Commander 🤔
craggy pilot
yea true the 2 Lavabearers are snooze
marble cipher
he's free, nice count, AND it helps that you can take something onto the lavabearers
craggy pilot
so Commander into that could be good actually
marble cipher
(snapping them down is an option, but it takes a bit and they'll evade a few hits when you do)
craggy pilot
why not 11+12 together?
strong forum
dont trust pugs
quiet minnow
I like this instead of doing after. Had not thought about that before I hate that 2 pack after forge
strong forum
having 4 mobs that need to be perma kicked + 2 mobs that spam frontals?
nah
no trust
marble cipher
honestly, I don't even combine those in my discord running group 😄
craggy pilot
wait you dont clear both sides on Forgemaster
misty sail
jumping down after 12 and playing 13 later can safe some time
strong forum
no need
marble cipher
kick some melts first, get them lowish, then chain
strong forum
you only need 1 side of forgemaster
craggy pilot
im on 99.24% now wtf did i miss downstairs 😄
strong forum
i added 4 more birds
marble cipher
bird?
strong forum
in pull 4
misty sail
we play them together ...free count ?!
quiet minnow
I’m surprised you don’t trust pugs to kick hit trust them to not hit adds on boss
strong forum
stacking those mobs up takes too long
quiet minnow
I don’t trust them to do either lol
strong forum
I’m surprised you don’t trust pugs to kick hit trust them to not hit adds on bos...
people are really scared of red healthbars on bosses
quiet minnow
Tru
strong forum
only a havoc dh ninjad in my runs once
marble cipher
the far bottom mob is the miniboss, normally she/he'll always be in the upper part of the room when you enter
uneven mason
also why should i
The extra by 4/5 groups up nicer than the trash in the back hallway I've found, but it's not that much of a timesaver in the end
marble cipher
so, it's technically a very grouped pull
craggy pilot
the far bottom mob is the miniboss, normally she/he'll always be in the upper pa...
ye i know that part
but still the mobs from outside
thorny stone
i would pull together pull 16+17 and skip pull 18
strong forum
thats just asking to be killed
3 blazing slashers + bird + caster?
straight up suicide
thorny stone
could also get more % on the area of pull 4 with chains and skip that last hallway straight to last boss
marble cipher
And then cry a little when you wipe last boss 😄
thorny stone
dont event need an invis pot to skip pull 18
marble cipher
you don't?
thorny stone
you can just walk that way on that pull
marble cipher
no soothe required either?
frosty mist
For your pull 1, these mob hit me hard, you use Shield wall and last stand at pull or ?
quiet minnow
if you have 4pc youd be using LS offensively there anyways, so yeah send it
marble cipher
pre-use last stand (if you have 4pc), and yeah, you'll shield wall there, and spell block, and probably another last stand
quiet minnow
then wall will be back up before boss if you ened it
marble cipher
(besides, last stand isn't really a defensive anyway)
quiet minnow
you wouldnt need wall again after that pack anyways, so wouldnt hold it
well not until it would be up again naturally
i'd get used to just using wall a lot more tbh, if you're wondering if you should use it you probably should have. its a very short cd and its btter to use it a lot in worse spots then never use it at all to save it for the best spots
frosty mist
Ok
waxen vale
I do pull 13 and 14 together
It's not too bad
And i do the same thing on the other side so whole boss area is clear just in case
quiet minnow
I do pull 13 and 14 together
i taunt that 1 from the edge and rip wall/spell block and then use a rally if necessary and it has gone 'ok'. feels a bit risky sometimes
waxen vale
Yea
I never feel it is too bad, nothing like the packs with a blazing slash
Thats the only thing that seems dangerous in the whole dungeon
quiet minnow
well the big forgestorm guys too but they are always skipped
quiet minnow
with spell block i dont mind the blazing slashers
waxen vale
Man on my paladin i dont even feel that ability haha
quiet minnow
as long as your dps are actually focusing prio mobs instead of just randomly targeting closest
waxen vale
I dont look for it or plan for it
On warri have to be watching their casts like a hawk
quiet minnow
i also always end up with the pat by 2
and i hate waiting, but i hate pulling 2 thurmaturge, so this part is always more slow than i'd like
thorny stone
no soothe required either?
waxen vale
Bro what
marble cipher
nice
thorny stone
no priest nor invis pots, yes, you can skip that
waxen vale
That looks really risky but damn
tired girder
Is there a list of magical mobs and which ones we have to be more careful?
marble cipher
soothe makes it less risky, but good to know it's not "needed"
marble cipher
aaaah, might be
quiet minnow
the "pat" is the three that are pulled alongside pull 1
right-- didnt realize that it was so far back on the map
waxen vale
Yes
marble cipher
then again, I wouldn't do any of those huge "let's chain them" pulls in a lot of pugs either
but, ymmv, sometimes pugs are awesome
craggy pilot
lol did the "walk back on glacial dragons" in HOI, and now i did ++18 🤣
so easy now haha
had 3 giga pumper dps though holy shit
quiet minnow
lol did the "walk back on glacial dragons" in HOI, and now i did ++18 🤣
makes the packs a lot easier-- the spell block is nice for the other adds too there
craggy pilot
Spell Reflecting the Ice Shard is also insane
and Spell Reflect on last boss
so which are the Spell Reflect dungeons this season?
i think Neltharus was one of them ye?
quiet minnow
personally i just use the weakaura spell reflect essentials
and hit it when it says to
quiet minnow
oh-- neltharus yeah, hoi
craggy pilot
i like to just try using Spell Reflect
because if i cant Reflect, i will still reduce the dmg
oh shit opportunity cost of Spell Block is quite high tho
with Bolster 😦
@strong forum is he at least playing Barb? 😄
lusty meadow
Hey guys, I tanked H Rashok for the first time this week and I was finding myself unable to survive the tank buster when shield wall was on cooldown without an external. Was I mismanaging the taunt swaps or does it hit that hard even without the debuff?
craggy pilot
Hey guys, I tanked H Rashok for the first time this week and I was finding mysel...
it hits hard
jagged pier
hc u shouldnt have an issue unless u make them a mistake with thte tank swaps
craggy pilot
you can Demo Shout + Spell Reflect
crude notch
lmao
untold adder
ive had every single item from from NELT 2-3 times now, and still no forgestorm
uneven mason
The weapon swap style really grows
quiet minnow
https://i.imgur.com/1Fe4A4Z.png
how sure are we that this isnt just wow
dusky canopy
https://i.imgur.com/1Fe4A4Z.png
Damn boi that’s hott
Whirlwind barb nerfs
I’ve been plying around with flay and rend with shouts it’s pretty neat
strong forum
you can still play shout barb
dusky canopy
Yeah I hear it just requires more CDR on your gear
sick sentinel
is the ominous trinket good for prot?
strong forum
for aoe, very
sick sentinel
so if i only tank for M+ OCE+dargul would be great right
marble cipher
so if i only tank for M+ OCE+dargul would be great right
Or OCE and Heart of Thunder
strong forum
also andy brought to my attention, which i completely forgot
craggy pilot
this any good? 🤔
strong forum
that you can drop show of force and get thunderlord instead for ultra turtle build
dusky canopy
Well right that’s only if you can’t live though
jagged pier
ppl seems to think sof is a must have
strong forum
i completely removed that option to remove SoF from my brain
jagged pier
well yer
strong forum
cuz both other talents have been such a meme
jagged pier
well yer
but ppl kept asking what would u drop for disrupting shout
and im like sof
and for some reason ppl think dropping battering ram, mostly some other big talents for it
and im like nah sof
is not that big
jagged pier
if u must take shout drop sof
uneven mason
Dropping battering ram ever
jagged pier
dusky canopy
What is DS uptime with TL?
jagged pier
not that much higher
strong forum
its like 30% cdr
dusky canopy
Varys on target count ofc
craggy pilot
how does the "self damage" work on Homeland Raid Horn?
jagged pier
youll find most ppl that say they must have TLs acually cast it less than me
who doesnt run it
craggy pilot
some people like to use it because its high uptime defensive
jagged pier
yes
craggy pilot
Prob not worth
people get more scared in higher keys
so any form of "defensive" they can get helps them sleep at night i guess 🤣
dusky canopy
Maybe I’m just a weirdo but I like to focus on damage as long as I can get away with it
crude notch
Is that why I don't sleep at night because I go full dam?
Holy shit that makes so much sense now.
dusky canopy
Like maybe if I was doing 25s or something TL would be more appealing
uneven mason
so any form of "defensive" they can get helps them sleep at night i guess 🤣
The same type of player who gimps themselves on sw uptime by taking double wall
uneven mason
Because not understanding that the CDs are sequential
Tbh unless you're pulling like a lunchboxing DH idk if TL will have that much of an impact?
dusky canopy
I mean with the buffs to it though it’s definitely more appealing
uneven mason
Maintaining 3 Targets at all times
plush tendon
tbh, Ive felt pretty tanky this tier.... the only thing im scared of is the dot those giant earth monsters put on me in Nathans Liar
like, gtfo with that shit
uneven mason
Uld is chonky damage
toxic pewter
How much dam loss is dropping show of force
dusky canopy
Minimal
toxic pewter
Hmm
dusky canopy
It’s just been the best pathing option we are not dying to have it
crude notch
You're the best option
craggy pilot
finally 447 shield ❤️
toxic pewter
Wat took so long
craggy pilot
and was basically out the first 2 weeks
crude notch
Contrary to popular belief apb, the fast gearing doesn't really apply to as many people as some would think.
craggy pilot
and then been focusing on Raid since then to get tier, which i got 4set this saturday
toxic pewter
Contrary to popular belief apb, the fast gearing doesn't really apply to as many...
Yeah… dang.. true
crude notch
weirdo
craggy pilot
trying to spread out the gearing process a bit
crude notch
I'm meme'ing because I have 4 toons with full vaults this week
craggy pilot
1 toon is my raid toon, i basically only raid on that one
1 toon is my healer, i do like 1-4 keys pr week
then paladin and warrior i basically fill vault 🤣
crude notch
Ironically I play the game more when I'm at work than when I'm off.
craggy pilot
i just really want a toon where i can heal/tank on
crude notch
That's okay, I'm taking my pwar into raid next week for a 5th toon.
craggy pilot
but man i hate Paladin Healing 🤣
plush tendon
I only play the best specs and classes
craggy pilot
and dont think ill get myself into Druid/Monk
crude notch
🙂
gloomy vortex
19 underot, the ticks at beginning… how do we deal with the damage on a 19/20 I just keep dying
plush tendon
I play a Paladin, DK, and a War; cause to be the best... you gotta wear plate
plush tendon
19 underot, the ticks at beginning… how do we deal with the damage on a 19/20 I ...
go to the right and dont do em
sick sentinel
like i say
toxic pewter
I just skip those ticks.. never was a fan
plush tendon
if you accidentally pull them.... do your best to kill em, and let yourself die
the res point is right there
sick sentinel
i don't play multiple same armor class toons
toxic pewter
Yah the group always butt pulls them of course
sick sentinel
i end up getting frustrated i don't get the gear i want
plush tendon
the frustrating part about playing the same armor type... is needing the same shit
Im 1/3 on my mark of dargul
need to get 2 more
sick sentinel
farm for 3 months do every quest to get some anvil trinket or whatever thats bis
never get it
get on dk one day, hes got, fuckin blues, get it
fuck that
toxic pewter
Yah I have that same feeling I don’t like that
uneven mason
get on dk one day, hes got, fuckin blues, get it
That's the luck I had on my paladin in S1, never got a single good trinket on the warrior, paladin has basically every trinket possible
cinder storm
19 underot, the ticks at beginning… how do we deal with the damage on a 19/20 I ...
They explode when you kill them, dont do them or have a frost mage or something with slows that can help you kite
uneven mason
Imagine not going hard right at the zone in
cinder storm
I'm debating on getting annulet on my pala, 428/441 ring but I dont want to do more chores
weary saddle
i just saw this (abit later to see) it looks huge buff
jagged pier
plush tendon
I'm debating on getting annulet on my pala, 428/441 ring but I dont want to do m...
my understanding for Paladin is that for damage, Onyx is the way to go
for defense, you want stat rings
but you can get away with not doing the onyx if you dont want
the difference aint gonna tank your damage
and youll benefit quite a bit with more stats defensivly
cinder storm
Thanks, good to know, I didnt play the end of S1 on any character and got it on my war a week ago and that took about 4-5hours
waxen vale
I wouldn't waste time on annulet. A socketed 447 ring should be better for almost any content
Assuming it has good secondaries
jagged pier
not in raid
cinder storm
I was considering getting it since I am just now reliable farming 17s on it and would be a last slot to swap (I don't raid)
I got a wrong call from the SEC hiring dept, puts on the money printer
waxen vale
Lol
I mean, even in raid annulet has less defensive value if that matters at all
I did 18k dps on my AOTC kill because i was 420 ilvl and full defensive speccd. I guess it you're good enough you just do dam though
But we had plenty of dam just like I'm sure any prog team will at this point and I'd rather survive
plush tendon
im gonna be playing my paladin for Rashok on Tuesday.... our other paladin is in Anime Land and wont be back for a bit.... and also, Prot Paladin makes that fight much easier with divine shield taunt
craggy pilot
anyone know if there is a WA discord?
plush tendon
but this all part of my master plan to make it so I can bring any of my characters to Mythic Raid so they can get loot under the guise of 'its for the guild'
cinder storm
anyone know if there is a WA discord?
There is
cinder storm
If you go to wago at the bottom of the page, they have their links
craggy pilot
If you go to wago at the bottom of the page, they have their links
ah thx
waxen vale
I want a Weakaura that tells me when shield block is running out
cinder storm
im gonna be playing my paladin for Rashok on Tuesday.... our other paladin is in...
As in Japan or degen watching anime?
waxen vale
Or a page recommending weakauras for us
plush tendon
not to be confused with the House of the Rising Sun.... which is in NOLA for some reason
which, you know, for any good Ret Paladin, 1 pilgrimage to Japan is necessary to gain all the skills necessary
to be the best retty around
cinder storm
I want a Weakaura that tells me when shield block is running out
https://wago.io/WarriorBlockTracker Like this? you can edit the effects or add sounds too when its about to run out if you want
cinder storm
which, you know, for any good Ret Paladin, 1 pilgrimage to Japan is necessary to...
When you were partying I studied the blade
plush tendon
A true master is able to party, and study the blade
sick sentinel
there, got 3 crafted's to 437, is not 447 but it will do.
prisma crane
there, got 3 crafted's to 437, is not 447 but it will do.
start doing those 16s, you know you can
restive scroll
Particularly this week!
prisma crane
yea, though i fucking hate this affix, having zero ability to prevent myself from getting 100% haste debuff is "fun and engaging content"
restive scroll
,same, but it's easier to think about, as you just don't=]
One or two dispel helper and things are going well
prisma crane
that makes me think about it more
violet flume
afflicted prob worst affix they made imo
so many groups ive had this week failed it repeatedly too lmao
and i cant do anything to help 😦
prisma crane
yea
though incorp feels even worse
3% left on boss?
whats that? cant clutch because 2 spawn and 100% dmg reduction?
violet flume
both affixes should spawn only one NPC tbh
junior brook
How exactly does Spell Block helps you on Zskarn, the stacks just tick less?
modern brook
dusky canopy
afflicted prob worst affix they made imo
I agree but it’s only bad because they’re not obvious
Who the hell decided to make them totems
Like it just fucks with peoples nameplates lol
violet flume
yeah, if i was a healer id definitely have some weakaura or some shit to pop health bars for them
or on my screen rather
sick sentinel
16s is when 1/5 hero drps?
dusky canopy
Community: We really don’t like how cluttered nameplates get when there’s so many explosives spawned
Blizzard: they can’t complain if there’s no nameplate!🧠
dusky canopy
16s is when 1/5 hero drps?
17s
sick sentinel
every single piece of gear i have wants wyrm
dusky canopy
Well yes even hero gear needs some wyrm
sick sentinel
hero 5/5 is the max tho
i think right and then it goes 6 7 8 hero from vault + 20 rewards?
waxen orbit
So are we allegedly good now
Or is it still a fury angle
For people that don’t hate themselves
sick sentinel
im gunna keep on playin this one
jagged pier
We havent changed
jagged pier
We are in the same place we were last patch in the middle
uncut thunder
yeah, if i was a healer id definitely have some weakaura or some shit to pop hea...
Except you can’t really. You can make them a bit better with plater but it’s still not great.
tame jasper
argh wanted to reply to yogi not at Brew
uncut thunder
So are we allegedly good now
I think tanks overall are in a pretty good state. Most all are very viable. Prot Pally is the fotm atm
waxen orbit
Right but like in an MMO if you’re in the middle and not at the top that basically means you’re faulty
(Allegedly)
dusky canopy
Nah you don’t want to be top
loud cave
Are prot warriors more likely to get accepted in high m+ than something like Brewmaster?
dusky canopy
Otherwise you expect nerfs
dusky canopy
Are prot warriors more likely to get accepted in high m+ than something like Bre...
Completely subjective
waxen orbit
I think tanks overall are in a pretty good state. Most all are very viable. Prot...
Even with how densely packed the dungeons are with frequent, and in some cases unavoidable bleed and magic damage with which we have limited resources to deal with?
dusky canopy
Prot pally is liked because of its group utility
1 minute sac, bop, constant WoGs, etc
It brings brez
waxen orbit
Idk because of the bleeds and magic dam, it feels like an unavoidable hamper on the spec’s performance which will naturally restrain it from its full potential because it is already stretched thin trying to work outside of its comfort area
dusky canopy
Loads of interupts
jagged pier
Idk because of the bleeds and magic dam, it feels like an unavoidable hamper on ...
6/8 dungeons are free
vital arch
Idk because of the bleeds and magic dam, it feels like an unavoidable hamper on ...
I’ve been waiting until I hit this wall with my PWar but it’s still not there, timed my first 20 this season last night I just rotated cooldowns well and had Spell Block since it was NL
untold adder
spellblock in NL ?
vital arch
Just for the crystal trash frontal mostly
vital arch
Yeah but I faced taked in on a 20 just using cooldowns correctly
idle quartz
Hey guys! Today I decided to begin trying to cater my talent points to specific dungeons, instead of going with a ‘one size fits all’ build. What are some talents that you like the pick up only for specific dungeons? For example, Spell Block is good in HoI but not really in freehold, or Intervene is great in Vortex Pinnacle.
untold adder
pins ^^
idle quartz
What no way
jagged pier
It’s dodge-able allegedly
Its not never has been the dodgeable one is on the first boss
jagged pier
Hey guys! Today I decided to begin trying to cater my talent points to specific ...
Why would u run spell block in hoi
Doesnt do anything there
untold adder
scared of dragons
waxen orbit
Nah I know I’m jagging at my friend’s comment
idle quartz
Why would u run spell block in hoi
Shit, I didn’t mean HoI 😂 I don’t even know what I’m on about. i’m thinking about halls of valor last season
dusky canopy
scared of dragons
You can strafe out of dragon breath
untold adder
dusky canopy
Lamp that build is optimal for every dungeon
The only change you make is blood surge for spell block in Uld and Nelt
proper roost
D4 has killed like 60% of the keying population based on my lfgs 😡
prisma crane
16s is when 1/5 hero drps?
those drop from 17s, but 16s gives you aspect crests, you can start to craft your gear at 447, you only need (5) 16 keys timed to get a crafted item to 447, which is nice because its half what we needed in s1
dusky canopy
Yeah join the crowd man
D4 has been a nice breath of fresh air
Wiping on sark and bricking random 20s with pugs has been getting mighty old lol
vital arch
all I see on twitch is barbs spinning in circles
dusky canopy
Whirlwind barb has been it since forever
Followed by rogue imo
But rogue is a total glass cannon
idle quartz
I must be missing channels, I’ve searched everywhere and I don’t have that in my pins. I’ll need to figure that out later. Thank you for that
idle quartz
The only change you make is blood surge for spell block in Uld and Nelt
There’s also Bitter Immunity in Underrot and Brackenhide, you can run Intervene in Vortex Pinnacle during the third stretch to shield block the chain lightnings. Berserker Rage can make you immune the the mechanics against Tricktotem. Wrecking Throw can help out in any dungeon where enemies have absorb shields. You can swap Impenetrable Wall for the other talent for the final boss in Neltharion’s lair. These are just a few things I found online, I was hoping some of us would have better insight, is all. I have two points per tree I can afford to move around for specific dungeons.
dusky canopy
You’re not necessarily wrong, it’s just mostly unnecessary “tech”
lusty tiger
Been playing poison imbue pen shot rogue and it is disgusting
prisma crane
There’s also Bitter Immunity in Underrot and Brackenhide, you can run Intervene ...
There's no reason to drop IW for last boss in NL. You can reflect most of his casts and SW is up for any gaps
jagged pier
There’s also Bitter Immunity in Underrot and Brackenhide, you can run Intervene ...
i mean just be a dwarf, intervene maybe but meh sure but u waste alot better points to take it can take it if u want, beserker rage for that mechanics its not the totem is gashtooths cast and its reflectable, wrecking looks good but theres like 5 absorb shields so meh sure but u waste alot better points to take it. u never take IW in m+ its a waste of talent rage loss SW loss especial as krotos has said that last boss is handled very easily with SR and SW
dusky canopy
Been playing poison imbue pen shot rogue and it is disgusting
Sounds sic dude I’m thinking about doing a rogue next
jagged pier
pretty sure the caludrons in brackhollow also give u a free posion dispell
cant remeber what prof u need to enable it tho
final mist
Alch
dusky canopy
The fact that he took the time to point those out means he thinks it’s necessary so regardless of how we sell it he’s going to want to do it
So good for him I guess lol
jagged pier
i mean like the only talent u can drop in main tree really is bounding and u need that to take bitter
dusky canopy
We’re just saying it’s not necessary
jagged pier
so kinda pointless
tame jasper
cant remeber what prof u need to enable it tho
Alch 25
So like every m+ player can activate it
dusky canopy
Ye
jagged pier
i mean he can take them, we cant stop him but explaining why and there are better way around all the scenarios pretty much thats hes chosen the points for is what we do
dusky canopy
For sure for sure
jagged pier
intevene sure i cant vouch i havent had an issue with ppl there and u loose stuff to take intervene so I wouldnt do it
but he wants sure
i guess
🤷
but the thing like NL is thats just lack of boss knowledge
like no point in double shield wall
pointless
dusky canopy
Reflect goes brrrr
jagged pier
just making the rest of the key harder
final mist
SR is more than enough tbh that's the only dangerous thing on that boss
And I wouldn't even say it's that dangerous
jagged pier
its not
final mist
Anything in NL that'll wipe the group won't be tank damage unless you drastically fuck up
It's the group handling other mechanics
Or you not cheesing the tank stuff like you should be
Ex. Moving second boss to position totems on top of each other
idle quartz
The fact that he took the time to point those out means he thinks it’s necessary...
If everybody in the world just did what everybody told them, we’d still be in the stone age. I like to ask questions and figure things out for myself. I’m sorry if that is upsetting for you.
dusky canopy
Don’t be so bothered lol
I’m not.
idle quartz
And no one explained any reason. I was told ‘just trust me bro’
dusky canopy
You lose damage and in some cases defensiveness to do the things you want to do
That’s why we recommend against it
idle quartz
You lose damage and in some cases defensiveness to do the things you want to do
THAT is an explanation.
idle quartz
So good for him I guess lol
This is just you being mean.
I have free talent points and a group comp that makes certain skills unnecessary. This is the reason I’m asking.
dusky canopy
You do you, as stated previously.
unique cobalt
are there a "soft-acp" on sec state? is it anything above 40%?
cinder nova
There's no reason to drop IW for last boss in NL. You can reflect most of his c...
Pretty sure if you time it right you only miss like 1 every rotation for Molten Wave.
And it's usually like the 3rd or 4th.
dusky canopy
are there a "soft-acp" on sec state? is it anything above 40%?
40% haste before buffs
jagged pier
its on spell queue
cinder nova
So you not only know when you're gonna get slapped, you're also keenly aware it's a huge hit. There's no other damage going out that fight.
jagged pier
u can SR like 3 times in a row if u lucky
jagged pier
are there a "soft-acp" on sec state? is it anything above 40%?
7100 rating before buffs
unique cobalt
40% haste before buffs
so is it safe to get raw haste to 40
dusky canopy
Yea but goodluck
jagged pier
just llook for that number u might have an enrate like ITF stack or somthing
cinder nova
Jake, the AA slows I assume suffer the same DR as other %-based effects, like say - defensive CDs
unique cobalt
ya hahaha
dusky canopy
Just be like nome and go 40% Crit
unique cobalt
for state do you try to equalize crit and vers ?
cinder nova
for state do you try to equalize crit and vers ?
It's = because it's meaning their weight is the same.
jagged pier
Jake, the AA slows I assume suffer the same DR as other %-based effects, like sa...
yer but they do all stack so numbing weakness and inshidous chill will stack
they all do something
but get less at some point
dusky canopy
3%
jagged pier
well u only run numbing
dusky canopy
But I think 7% with a shiv right?
jagged pier
if u have 2 rogues really
unique cobalt
Crit/haste is the most damage
I see .. whats a good point to stop at vers? around 20%? I'll sim I swear just asking
jagged pier
unless u really need it
dusky canopy
Idr exactly how rogue works
cinder nova
I see, so if we only have 1 you do atroph, chill, and weakening
dusky canopy
I see .. whats a good point to stop at vers? around 20%? I'll sim I swear just a...
I have 4%
cinder nova
But if you have 2 rogues you can do numb and atroph
dusky canopy
Farming 21s
dusky canopy
No it will not
cinder nova
so I doesnt effect you on higher keys at all ?
No. We have no stat requirements to be able to perform.
It's all on your skill, frankly.
That's why we like to zug
dusky canopy
Andy was doing 26s last season with 10% I think nome said
Regardless the point is Vers won’t save you
But playing well will!
cinder nova
Vers is nice, but yeah - not gonna be like BFA levels and never gonna save you from yourself if you aren't playing well.
daring marlin
biggest pitfall people have is not aggressively using CDs enough
especially shield wall
cinder nova
Send them fuckers.
unique cobalt
thanks all
cinder nova
Get a triple, plant up, and wall when you see huge damage mechanics on the group about to go out so you can be ignored by the healer while they keep the chum alive.
daring marlin
JUST TRYING TO HELP LIKE DAYUM
dusky canopy
LoL mines the same way
Rubs up against you but you better not touch or else satan spawns
cinder nova
Serious question - how cursed in the DK discord.
daring marlin
fuckin' no shit
daring marlin
Serious question - how cursed in the DK discord.
Not as bad as HoW.
jagged pier
Serious question - how cursed in the DK discord.
like all of them very
daring marlin
Skyhold #1
dusky canopy
Serious question - how cursed in the DK discord.
Whatever you do don’t say a certain stat is bad
Mandl will lose his shit
cinder nova
Kek
dusky canopy
Ask me how I know
cinder nova
Okay then before I poke my nose in - what do DKs typically spec out of to take insidiuous
dusky canopy
daring marlin
TheSteve is the only good thing about HoW.
cinder nova
It's kinda out on the edge of the class tree
daring marlin
Love that guy.
jagged pier
Okay then before I poke my nose in - what do DKs typically spec out of to take i...
i dunno they loose damage to do it so they gunna complain
cinder nova
That's why I'm trying to figure out ahead of time since my RL has basically saddled me with homework since me and the pally are getting crushed.
I put forward slows, but I wanted to figure out the least-painful DPS loss.
M Exp sucks tbh
Shitty fight.
Probably gonna have to do AA slows for Zskarn too
daring marlin
BDK so good for raid lmao
daring marlin
I wonder how many weirdos are gonna be mad about the Halsey D4 song despite it being a slapper.
proper roost
i mean the overall d4 marketing pushes have been
kinda weird
still don't understand if a KFC executive has been sleeping with kotick or what's going on there??
toxic pewter
I heard kfc’s colonel is the final boss of d4
cinder nova
I wanna make sure I'm doing this right... this isn't meant to be precise, just kind of a general napkin math abstraction to see how much damage the AA slows can prevent as a result of the diminished AA count...
- On our best pull we took a total of 69 Infused Strikes between both tanks, assuming we have all 3 that's ~45% attack speed slow.
- That'd hash out drop it to somewhere between 37 and 39 hits, whic is a lot less.
- We're generally clearing every 10th stack (5 and 5) when both bosses are down, but around 6 stacks when we have only one. We're assuming 10 stacks for this.
- That's about 3 less Infused Explosions, and with 8 being our total for the best pull, meaning it prevents the impact and dot of those Explosions as well
- Infused Explosions did 43M damage, with 3 less that's about 30% DR, meaning it also prevents about 12-13M raid damage.
I haven't bothered calculating how much less damage the DOT would be on the tank, but I want to make sure I'm not talking out my ass when I tell my RL why we should do this.
I should say, this is post DR intake.
sick sentinel
wonder how much trouble i'd have in a lair, best one of those i did on fort is only a +8
cinder nova
@jagged pier This look right to you, mate?
astral crystal
too much theory, literally just debuff boss attack speed and collect loot
jagged pier
i dunno we were clearing at like 3-4 stacks and like 1-4 on the other with aa slows
sullen gust
wonder how much trouble i'd have in a lair, best one of those i did on fort is o...
Lair ain't too bad, I find if the first boss gets killed, the rest of the dungeon is pretty safe
Just make sure never to pull more than 2 pelters
And don't feel like you need to rush the trash before last boss, that shit can hurt and its a salty run back
craggy pilot
how does the Zskarn tank strat work? like do you run 3 tanks and 1 is just on only doing Grenades or what is the idea?
mighty valley
that's basically it
the two tanks who are swapping the dot can grab a nearby bomb if it's convenient and they have CDs etc but otherwise the third tank takes them all
craggy pilot
is it doable on HC with 2 tanks?
like our grp today has 0 hunters/paladins
only paladin tank
and its our first time on Zskarn
quiet minnow
Also yogi the timer in NL is unbelievably free just pull slow and safe and use cds
Like eldrirrch said you kill the first boss and you’re like 4 pulls away from the last boss so if you kill him you can win
mighty valley
is it doable on HC with 2 tanks?
it's doable, and having a paladin for bop definitely helps, but it's unusually high tank damage for a hc fight
gotta actually think about CD usage, dot stacks, and be careful not to get clipped by other mechanics
and healers will have their hands full if your group is bad at positioning
jagged pier
is it doable on HC with 2 tanks?
ye
uneven mason
Like eldrirrch said you kill the first boss and you’re like 4 pulls away from th...
Soloing the first boss because no one kills adds so they all end up on me and get stomped
craggy pilot
it's doable, and having a paladin for bop definitely helps, but it's unusually h...
oh BOP clears it?
uneven mason
Also avalanche clapping clothies
mighty valley
it's phys damage, bop makes you immune to it
craggy pilot
anyone have a WA that shows list of Grenades and timers?
mighty valley
everything's in normal dbm and raid cooldown tracker mods
just don't greed into tactical destruction for a bomb that just went out, that will kill you
and the bombs last a long time
craggy pilot
yea i just wanted a list of how many remains
and their duration
so i can call it out as raid assist
is the grenade duration longer than the time between dragonheads?
because we get Grenades, and then instant dragonheads
median tulip
Any tips for Zskarn? This twat is fucking me up
craggy pilot
were on him today as well and man these overlaps are weird
Grenades underneath fire or in traps 24/7
is there a way for me to make a BW bar always Emphasisesd? 🤔
craggy pilot
the chomp kill me
stun + kite
drifting mountain
is there a way for me to make a BW bar always Emphasisesd? 🤔
you should be able to emphasise based on ability in BW, and emphasise (on me) as well
craggy pilot
you should be able to emphasise based on ability in BW, and emphasise (on me) as...
yea but i feel it only does it for the "messages"
and not for the bars 🤔
deep sluice
stun + kite
ok that was i think
craggy pilot
ok that was i think
when you get 1 debuff you basically wanna kite
you dont wanna get it to 2 stacks
drifting mountain
yea but i feel it only does it for the "messages"
ill take a look at mine later, not looked at it in a while - i have my bars turned off for a timeline these days
craggy pilot
yea i dont rly like the timeline
deep sluice
you dont wanna get it to 2 stacks
make sens this hurts as fuck
ashen sigil
Does Battle Stance give additional parry chance, or is it just for a little bit of damage?
waxen vale
What to drop for spell block
craggy pilot
What to drop for spell block
craggy pilot
Does Battle Stance give additional parry chance, or is it just for a little bit ...
dmg
craggy pilot
ashen sigil
Got it, thanks
craggy pilot
ew, no battering ram
deep sluice
i remove it for spell block
deep sluice
i know but it's ahrd tor emove any point hahahahhaa
craggy pilot
^^^^^
deep sluice
bloodsurge give so much rage...
craggy pilot
so does Battering Ram
sick sentinel
how much is the new cd for demo with taking TL
strong forum
you get ~4 extra TCs during avatar
on average the CD of demo shout should be ~25seconds
urban portal
Gcd feels bloated in avatar now
prisma crane
take DS off GCD 
acoustic oasis
Take DN off the GCD
rancid ember
pull bigger
crystal mauve
is it doable on HC with 2 tanks?
We did it, I was on my warrior taking care of the bombs and my co-tank (BDK) was taking care of the boss. I was clearing the bombs, coming to ge tthe boss so he could reset his debuff and back on my way to bombs. It worked out just fine but it is an absolume massive amount of tank damage (the BDK is great and stacked to 10+ stacks without too much trouble)
night heron
Hello, I just did a 22 Uldaman and I feel like the Stone weavers packs hit very hard when they just machine-gun stone bolts at me. Shield wall, interrupts and AoE cc's can only do so much, so I just wanted to know if it's be worth taking SpellBlock in this dungeon? I know the pinned comment says it's mostly for Neltharus and NL but I feel like I kinda need it
crystal mauve
Hello, I just did a 22 Uldaman and I feel like the Stone weavers packs hit very ...
If you feel like you need it you should take it (I personally do because I can't trust my dps to kick/cc properly) Better sacrifice one talent than the key
night heron
Yeah I feel like if we had a coordinated group layering cc it'd be fine but I don't wanna take the risk
marsh stone
Woohoo buffs incoming folks!
Protection
Developers’ notes: Protection Warriors are not currently performing as competitively as we would like compared to most other tanks in terms of damage and survivability.
All damaging abilities increased by 8%.
Auto-attack damage increased by 10%.
Spell Block’s duration increased to 30 seconds (was 20 seconds).
Thunderlord now causes each enemy hit by Thunder Clap to reduce the remaining cooldown of Demoralizing Shout by 1.5 seconds, up to 4.5 seconds (was 1.0 seconds, up to 3.0 seconds).
urban portal
Tomorrow at 10am
marsh stone
Depends where you live mate 😉
marsh stone
You're missing the point, be excited about buffs 😄
vocal nimbus
gotta wait till wednesday :c
sick sentinel
reroll NA
idle quartz
reroll NA
Rookie mistake
There any time those 10s of spell block are going to be useful? General consensus I’m seeing is no
toxic pewter
ya
quiet minnow
Gcd feels bloated in avatar now
Gcd already feels bloated tbh
It’s the only issue I have with pwar as far as play style goes