cuz you couldn't really fuck up that bad with mop-sl talent design imo
#protection
proper roost
chilly brook
You absolutely could
People did it all the time
People picking the IP talent
Not choosing AM
pallid quiver
It was a bit harder to, but it's due to talents competing with things they have no business competing with
chilly brook
Taking impending victory
proper roost
i mean like 2/3rds of those talents were dedicated to cc, mobility, or utility increases generally
pallid quiver
Especially during iterations when tiers weren't only one purpose
proper roost
just had to not fuck up on the output talents
mighty valley
It’s not a bad design to pick talents while leveling based on vibes and then to learn shit better later
mighty valley
Pretty much any system they make will have that kind of fake choices
proper roost
no i'm just saying the magnitude/character impact at which you could fuck up the mop talent system was a lot lower than now, just imo
chilly brook
The problem is unwillingness to look into the class and better yourself
craggy pilot
how the hell did my party members die to this on Embertusk Dominator in the end of Neltharion Lair?
I checked MDT and the mobs dont have that spell listed 🤔 and the 2nd time we engaged the pack, they werent casting it
is it a spell they only cast when pulled both?
chilly brook
no i'm just saying the magnitude/character impact at which you could fuck up the...
Idk Sco based his whole “warrior bad and dead” content in BFA on the basis of running shit talents and not pressing the right buttons
proper roost
The scorpion pulses raid aoe and also the drogbar do random tosses at nontanks of that spike
craggy pilot
ah ok
craggy pilot
ye thought he could handle cus it was Wyrm farm
proper roost
you keep insisting on pulling the hardest hitting aoe packs in the dungeons that no one does
No lol
craggy pilot
i do play healer
proper roost
i mean yes probably if they were good on a 11
craggy pilot
just only 1 key a week 🤣
proper roost
but on a 15 it'd be hard unless they were like 440
proper roost
And the Bound casters that come with it also do the pelter rock throw damage but about 20% less
proper roost
So if someone gets rock throw x2 + 2x crystal spikes they're dying literally no matter what key it is
unless it's like a +2
craggy pilot
UF?
chilly brook
Unrelenting Force
craggy pilot
???
chilly brook
The talent that lets you thunderclap every other global and giga charges it’s damage
craggy pilot
Unstoppable Force
craggy pilot
tried to do the "no one target the pelter so it doesnt jump" thing
but they still cast the Jagged Disc insta
and just spam at random targets
crude notch
Unstupify griFf
craggy pilot
holy shit that stuff huuuuurts
craggy pilot
does the Petrifying Totem pulse AOE on entire grp, or only inside the radius?
craggy pilot
ye ok, so if no one is hit its just zzz
crude notch
been doing some disc priest keys and i can see why tanks are complaining about aggro... because y'all mfers ain't moving
proper roost
Healer keys pog
craggy pilot
when i have no CDs for a pull aggro feels kinda yikes
more so an issue on Pala than Warr tho
cus on Warr i have CDs literally all the time
proper roost
But yeah 11-15 tanks are cringe af they have like literally 1 mob left in the pack
empty inlet
Tank aggro ruined since bfa every week is skittish week now
proper roost
that does nothing
and then they just stand there
not pulling the next pack!!
Like what the fuck are you doing
GO
crude notch
Tank aggro ruined since bfa every week is skittish week now
no
Tank aggro is more than fine
Y'all just need to go
proper roost
tank aggro is fine if you have issues its giga pebcak issue
craggy pilot
Like what the fuck are you doing
the tank curse when playing DPS/Healer, and the tank is doing different route or moving too slowly 😄
crude notch
👉 🕰️
chilly brook
Tank aggro ruined since bfa every week is skittish week now
Uhhhhh
craggy pilot
i just wanna be like "fuck this, ill tank instead"
chilly brook
I’ve not been tanking
Hopped into a key with my undergeared warrior with my raiders
And had no issue holding aggro
Press your buttons
craggy pilot
on Pala i struggle a little bit outside Divine Toll
empty inlet
Yes let me press buttons when lil bros are critting 1m+ on their beacon on pull
proper roost
mostly low level tanks just have no idea how to chainpull things like underrot either
Can't really complain, they are just learning, but it's really gear grindy when all the interruptable mobs are dead, maggot has already cast, and they dont pull
crude notch
you can have 150% count in your route, i'm just brain off healer
chilly brook
Healer aggro isn’t even that bad bro
Tf
If something is ripping aggro off you it better not be a healer
chilly brook
Like lmfao
craggy pilot
i just wanna do brain-afk 11-15 for Wyrm crests, but holy shit i need to do so many for the cap zzz
chilly brook
If you had said a dragon boi ripping a full charged breath at the start that’s a different story
And that’s on them
proper roost
Mfw prot warrior is the only tank with an extremely short cd aoe taunt
craggy pilot
maybe i hsould start doing +17 so i can get Hero gear 🤣
proper roost
and this guy unironically complaining about beacon..
empty inlet
2m is short lol..
proper roost
Siri what is the cooldown on Beacon of the Beyond
chilly brook
Used to be a lot longer
craggy pilot
2min30 > 2min
daring marlin
on Pala i struggle a little bit outside Divine Toll
As long as you start a pull with AS or toll shouldn't have a problem tbh
wary spire
Will thunderlord be worth taking now
daring marlin
avenger's shield
craggy pilot
ah
empty inlet
That’s fake
daring marlin
it's not just that
You AS>SotR
Should have the cleave built up from the one AS on it all
ez snap threat
proper roost
Pug prot pallies that never press AS to open a pack
because the guide says to judge as prio for hopo
💀
daring marlin
literally the worst dude
proper roost
getting the 1 holy power 1s earlier is more important than holding threat literally the main tank job!!
chilly brook
Like I said
daring marlin
chilly brook
I held aggro against people who had 30ilvl on me
craggy pilot
Should have the cleave built up from the one AS on it all
im just always forgetting to Blessed Hammer build up before packs 😄
chilly brook
People just need to press buttons
craggy pilot
so i start every pack with 0 holy power like an idiot haha
daring marlin
im just always forgetting to Blessed Hammer build up before packs 😄
It takes some getting used to but once you have the muscle memory down it's ezpz
proper roost
prot pally kind of has interesting threat tradeoffs early in a pull
crude notch
Pug prot pallies that never press AS to open a pack
if I see another VDH suicide bomb themselves into a pack istg
proper roost
for holy power
daring marlin
literally the best part of blessed hammer right there
daring marlin
Free hp between packs and resetting AS
proper roost
but it doesn't actually end up mattering until you do high keys
empty inlet
You would never skip it in low key or high key
crude notch
You would never skip it in low key or high key
you would back in the day
empty inlet
In high key you would pull it later into the fight though
crude notch
110%
proper roost
i actually had back to back instances on my shaman, where a prot warrior suicide charge leaped into the 2nd pull of bracken and died
It was really impressive
oblique garnet
You can skip it with nelf/vanish reset
empty inlet
That’s because people were also bad in bfa tbh they are free counts when boss is in p2
chilly brook
You can skip it with nelf/vanish reset
When are they gonna nerf night elf
proper roost
pretty sure this is the hardest pack of brackenhide
oblique garnet
And then pull it in when you get to 60%
oblique garnet
When are they gonna nerf night elf
Never
craggy pilot
When are they gonna nerf night elf
when they nerf Dwarf
empty inlet
Which pack is that
crude notch
Dwarf is far more egregious than meld this ain't bfa.
where you melded like everything
chilly brook
Point still stands
proper roost
the only fun meld tech i've seen so far is you can cancel forgemaster's blazing aegis with it
chilly brook
Alliance bias fr fr
proper roost
empty inlet
That’s because dungeon in bfa was better
proper roost
it looks really funny when you do it though
proper roost
i actually kind of like having the dispel as warrior
but the silence is objectively better yes
empty inlet
These dragonflight dungeon are designed in a way that you walk in a straight line and can’t skip anything
chilly brook
These dragonflight dungeon are designed in a way that you walk in a straight lin...
??
chilly brook
Meanwhile skipping is still a thing people do
empty inlet
Alliance bfa had sick routes
chilly brook
Silence isnt as great now as it used to be
I would still take a second interrupt and silence
proper roost
it's not necessarily about the silence, but arcane torrent was off the GCD and aoe kicked
chilly brook
Over a purge
proper roost
dispel is on the GCD
oblique garnet
I would still take a second interrupt and silence
Doesnt challenging shout silence now
With a talent
crude notch
ye
chilly brook
chilly brook
That’s cursed
crude notch
lolol
chilly brook
And also irrelevant because it’s not a racial
oblique garnet
Who cares
crude notch
that's racist
oblique garnet
Its the only utility warrior brings
chilly brook
I care unfortunately
chilly brook
I just personally find/found blood elf silence to be far more useful than the purge
lusty grotto
neth is so free now with chains lmao
proper roost
I mean yeah kicking things is way more useful than purging
but
aoe purge is a pretty unique utility
proper roost
it does like effectively millions of damage over a million per cast on the two big pulls of VP for ex
if you don't have a rsham
chilly brook
Not saying it’s useless
proper roost
i think i'd just wish it was off gcd, but whatever
lusty grotto
you can MD it if youre talking about the Squalls
proper roost
but yeah spriest is really good on vp
oblique garnet
VP, UR has some uses in BH uldaman
lusty grotto
spriest are really good in HoI as well
oblique garnet
HoI too
chilly brook
Spriests are busted
lusty grotto
uldaman as well on tyr
oblique garnet
Purge good = everywhere but freehold
chilly brook
Good in general
sick sentinel
spriest is extremely hit or miss
chilly brook
Nah
oblique garnet
No
chilly brook
Extremely good
Players are hit or miss
But the class itself is really good
Aren’t frost DKs insane rn?
sick sentinel
always has been
proper roost
i mean
problem with fdk is fury warrior exists
if you want a melee that just pumps
sick sentinel
frost dk has always been sleeper spec
proper roost
and has little special utility
oblique garnet
All melee kinda pump
proper roost
and the problem with fury warrior is rogue and enh shaman exists 💀
oblique garnet
Except enha
proper roost
Uhh
chilly brook
Nah I thought frost is actually head and shoulders above rn
proper roost
I mean, the problem is in the context of keys
frost brings even less utility than fury does
sick sentinel
enhance, buff evoker, priest for PI, and um... i dunno... for fill... monk probably for melee dmg + us as tank this is cuz pwar
vivid valley
Good evening. I allow myself to write to you because I am in despair with my tank warrior. I explain to you I encounter 1 problems in 1 in MM+ beyond + 14 I can't maintain my hard to evil or generate enough rage to compensate for this loss. I get to open in 2. I'll give you my armory link if a charitable weapon can guide me.🙏🏻 thank you in advance.
proper roost
grip has really low utility this season
lusty grotto
what is hard to evil, if you dont mind me asking
sick sentinel
grip has really low utility this season
grabby hands cd is probably good on trogg boss ulda
chilly brook
Good evening. I allow myself to write to you because I am in despair with my tan...
Sorry but I’m not sure what you’re asking for
lusty grotto
i know its a translation
vivid valley
Sorry its Google traduction
chilly brook
Threat maybe?
lusty grotto
can you link the ability in Wowhead?
crude notch
what is your first language?
proper roost
i'm not sure frost dk takes grabby hands? But yeah grip is pretty decent on Bromach; you don't really need it though to control the caster
lusty grotto
or the name in your language is fine
proper roost
he's french
vivid valley
what is your first language?
Fr
vivid valley
lusty grotto
name should be fine, we can look it up
oh ignore pain
you dont need to maintain that
that's a rage dump
proper roost
wow google translate really fucks up if it thinks that is "hard to evil"
lusty grotto
well its dur au mal, mal being evil so its close
sick sentinel
ignore pain = you hit it when you think you are going to take magic damage and at like 80+ rage to dump rage fast so you don't overcap
crude notch
true
lusty grotto
but mal can translate to uhhh ill
vivid valley
But what do you use in mm+ then to reduce your damage?
lusty grotto
Good evening. I allow myself to write to you because I am in despair with my tan...
ok so once again you dont need to maintain that. You need to maintain this --> https://www.wowhead.com/fr/spell=2565/maîtrise-du-blocage
Maîtrise du blocage
crude notch
Maitrise du blocage
crude notch
Oui Oui
lusty grotto
you dont need to track this abilitie's uptime
vivid valley
ok so once again you dont need to maintain that. You need to maintain this --> <...
I try to have it always active but I don't have the impression that it changes much
lusty grotto
it changes a lot
crude notch
oh god
lusty grotto
the majority of damage you take in M+ is physical
and also... it wont change a lot if youre not facing the mobs, so make sure you are
crude notch
Pourtant je maximise son utilisation mais je me fait ouvrir
Can't really tell you much more without a warcraft log. 😦
crude notch
Boom found a log
proper roost
finally finished doing enough keys on my shaman to get my third crafted
wew
vivid valley
Can't really tell you much more without a warcraft log. 😦
I have my logs that in raid with my spe raid would it be useful to you?
lusty grotto
where are you having problems with?
crude notch
i'm so good at being a creeper
lusty grotto
you took 34 million melee damage
if you had blocked close to 100% of the time, that damage would have been considerably lower
take a look at damage taken here
see how melee is the top damage ?
your problem is youre not focusing on keeping shield block up
shield block = Maîtrise du blocage, sorry
vivid valley
Okay I was completely overwhelmed I tried as best I could to find a solution alone but I rely much more on ignore pain
lusty grotto
with just 41% block uptime, you mitigated 9 million damage, and took a raw 26 million damage without blocks and excluding Dur Au Mal mitigation
do not rely on ignore pain ( dur au mal)
its a rage dump, once again
keep block up
it makes you the tankiest physical tank in the game
AND
it increases your damage with the right talents
sick sentinel
i'm sure one to talk, but, you gotta hit shield block
craggy pilot
Freehold 2nd boss, i got Barrel and got fucked by the Grapeshot overlapping on top 🤔 could i prevent that somehow?
sick sentinel
thats the first thing you want to spend rage on, for lots of reason, but biggest being: it makes your SS hit harder and you get more threat that way.
lusty grotto
Freehold 2nd boss, i got Barrel and got fucked by the Grapeshot overlapping on t...
yes dont run over barrels that have been freedom'ed out
sick sentinel
SS is the number one button any protection warrior hits
lusty grotto
tanks do not get targetted by barrels on their own
daring marlin
finally finished doing enough keys on my shaman to get my third crafted
wew
misery
lusty grotto
you just ran over one that was freedom'd out
daring marlin
At least shamans of all stripes are busted for afflicted
craggy pilot
yes dont run over barrels that have been freedom'ed out
oh so i charged through a barrel i guess
daring marlin
LMAO
craggy pilot
no freedom in our group tho 🤔
lusty grotto
possible, it has happened to me
daring marlin
you foolish fool!
lusty grotto
tiger's lust?
woven perch
DANGER? CHARGE!
craggy pilot
tiger's lust?
ah ye we had monk
lusty grotto
can mage invis/vanish/feign it also
craggy pilot
so the monk fucked me 😄
lusty grotto
and/or meld
woven perch
blame the hunter
craggy pilot
caused a wipe tho sadge
woven perch
and if there isn't one, just blame a random one out in the world
craggy pilot
was gonna be a ++17 otherwise
proper roost
misery
i'm owning tbh
but I'm probably gonna hold off on the craft for now because i have 431 bracers already
sick sentinel
the numbers mason, tell us what they mean
vivid valley
Thank you very much for your answers to my questions I will try that.
craggy pilot
i'm owning tbh
but I'm probably gonna hold off on the craft for now because i h...
where is your crafted?
oh they are 437?
craggy pilot
you said 3rd?
proper roost
and 3rd one is supposed to be vers bracers
but i'm waiting because as i said, 431 bracers in that slot atm
craggy pilot
ah
proper roost
embellish kinda not SUPER high value on a healer imo
craggy pilot
what embelish do you have on weapon in resto sham?
proper roost
none atm, but I can recraft it for darts if i get tier from raid tonight and can craft legs or something
warm plinth
what a gamer
proper roost
darts is just kinda shitty in keys, but
daring marlin
I need to farm a bunch more aspects
warm plinth
Pretty good since he only does like 14s?
daring marlin
on my warrior
craggy pilot
Pretty good since he only does like 14s?
12s i think?
lusty grotto
our rsham uses darts and thinks its garbage
sick sentinel
i got chest and legs holding me back
craggy pilot
the upgrade system is OP as fk tbh
proper roost
yeah, darts is pretty much a raid only embellish
warm plinth
It's really good
sick sentinel
ill be 430+ whenever legs
warm plinth
My paladin is almost 437
craggy pilot
425 is good yogi
daring marlin
like why is my gear so shit
Not doing enough keys
craggy pilot
Not doing enough keys
yup, agreed
warm plinth
My rogue is almost you guys' ilevel but that's because I was already 421 at the end of last season lol
warm plinth
my main complaint about the system right now is that I have to go to Loamm to do crest exchange
sick sentinel
annulet bug on wowhead
vital arch
Okay I was completely overwhelmed I tried as best I could to find a solution alo...
Im pushing 440 now and feeling extra spicy
sick sentinel
it thinks annulet is 443
craggy pilot
my pally is 440.5 cuz of annulet
Annulet still shows as 443 on raider.io?
vital arch
my main complaint about the system right now is that I have to go to Loamm to do...
Loooool I was just bitching about this
craggy pilot
my main complaint about the system right now is that I have to go to Loamm to do...
i feel like the weekly cap is too high, and the crests pr key is too low
daring marlin
talking in game
craggy pilot
insane that i have to do 12 dungeons pr week to cap
lusty grotto
my main complaint about the system right now is that I have to go to Loamm to do...
btw
craggy pilot
and 10 crests pr week is quite high
sick sentinel
i want them to fix the bug about the execute glow more than anything
lusty grotto
do converted aspects amount to wyrm caps?
warm plinth
no
sick sentinel
i've been complaining bout it since bfa and may some day they fix it
vital arch
I refuse to do low keys for crests
vivid valley
Im pushing 440 now and feeling extra spicy
I'm still far from it
warm plinth
iirc they also don't count any fragments obtained via quest
daring marlin
My Warrior is 432 cuz I just gotta farm crests to upgrade shit
warm plinth
but those are all low crest fragments anyway so who cares
cunning knot
Just to clarify, we can now deal with Incoporeal affix with shattering throw?
warm plinth
Just to clarify, we can now deal with Incoporeal affix with shattering throw?
Yes, but imo not even worth running that shit. 3 min CD
cunning knot
Yes, but imo not even worth running that shit. 3 min CD
yeah its bs
lusty grotto
agreed
craggy pilot
or 15 should give more than 11
warm plinth
They could have at least made wrecking throw work on them too; at least then we could handle one every spawn
vital arch
I'm still far from it
Try and use sheild charge on cooldown, if you’re specced in to bulwark, and not using in to the fray and getting the talent that makes it so you get SB for 1s extra each shield slam
warm plinth
Since they can only spawn every 45 sec
craggy pilot
if you wanna cap wyrm+aspect every week, you need to do 12 + 12 dungeons 😄
daring marlin
no need to cap tho
lusty grotto
my pally is low only because of it
warm plinth
They probably should've capped it at like 5 crests per week and made it give 1 full crest per timed dungeon
and like half a crest for untimed
vital arch
I'm still far from it
shield charge giving shield block really helps maintain uptime, if you’re getting overwhelmed with actions per min
cunning knot
they should make it so you get wyrms when your aspects are capped
craggy pilot
They probably should've capped it at like 5 crests per week and made it give 1 f...
this would make sense ye
lusty grotto
this
warm plinth
But yeah I agree with Guilford, you really don't need to cap every week
craggy pilot
feels so horrible that i can get gear upgrades from +17 because of hero gear, but i can also get gear upgrade from +11 because of wyrm crest 😄 but then the drops are useless because Champion...
proper roost
the system rewards delayed gratification a lot, which is kind of interesting
in terms of saving crests (aka time)
vivid valley
shield charge giving shield block really helps maintain uptime, if you’re gettin...
I tend to use it as a kind of CD to have a strong damage reduction a bit like the protective wall
vital arch
feels so horrible that i can get gear upgrades from +17 because of hero gear, bu...
A crest is a crest
warm plinth
I don't really consider champion drops useless personally
lusty grotto
I tend to use it as a kind of CD to have a strong damage reduction a bit like th...
no dont do that
cunning knot
Do we run Thunderlord for anything now after the buff is coming?
warm plinth
Like, you're nitpicking over 4 ilevels
daring marlin
the system rewards delayed gratification a lot, which is kind of interesting
I sorta did that
vital arch
Just mentioned a couple talents he could take to improve uptime.
craggy pilot
i just said fk it, and started pushing 😄
lusty grotto
ah
daring marlin
Didn't upgrade much til I got 19/20 loot to drop
lusty grotto
ok i see
proper roost
yeah, exactly
lusty grotto
still his problem is that hes holding it
daring marlin
saved on loads of wyrm crests
proper roost
my shaman can do 19s right now, waiting until I get 431 drops saves me a ton of wyrm farming
lusty grotto
but yeah sorry continue
vital arch
Like, you're nitpicking over 4 ilevels
Say that to my 437 forgestorm im about to replace next week with 447
proper roost
Just have to do it at slightly lower ilvl, but that's all fine
daring marlin
gear certainly wasn't holding anyone back
proper roost
it does kinda trade time one way (target farming items vs farming guaranteed crests) but if you need aspects anyway
not really wasting time
daring marlin
just spaghetti on the mechanics lmao
warm plinth
boom, 437 
proper roost
but yeah the "delayed gratification" bit felt really good on my warrior because week 1 I was like hovering at ~425ish
and then week 2 immediately spiked up like 5+ ilvls with the omnitoken turnin, cashing in on aspects, etc
lusty grotto
nimchipadin is also 437
daring marlin
I wish I had held my omnitoken lol
vital arch
I held my token for 4pc and it was hot beans, got lucky pugging heroic raid to be fair tho
lusty grotto
boom, 437 <a:hmmNod:940376932560822372>
proper roost
yeah I think i'm holding it on my shaman for ages, because this character ain't seeing H Sark anytime soon 💀
or tier more than likely
lusty grotto
fucking wyrms lmao
warm plinth
Hey twinsies
lusty grotto
yeah lol
that fucking cloak never drops on my warrior
its always the dumb versa mastery shit cloak
proper roost
giga funneled tier in guild raids on my warrior: 
gonna have to scrap it out for shitty 437 tier in ~12 man friend groups on my shaman: 
warm plinth
lol
vital arch
giga funneled tier in guild raids on my warrior: <:xan:1094127979703062558>
go...
You have friends? Lucky bastard
lusty grotto
billowing garbo cape
lusty grotto
imagine being funneled gear
daring marlin
warm plinth
are you fast pally? 🤔
proper roost
It's actually hilarious how easy it is to obtain 4pc in a 30m guild raid where you have like 10 alts
warm plinth
i'm big fast
vital arch
I pugged 5/9 heroic, got 4pc and never qued again
pallid quiver
You're gonna have to spill the appearances for those chest, shoulder, and headpieces to my ignorant self or you're fired
warm plinth
I have grapnel and beacon 🙂
lusty grotto
well pally has anvil at least
warm plinth
anvil gud
vital arch
Wish my healer was more than 410 io getting him in to a normal zug zug group is going to be annoying lol
warm plinth
I'm glad it didn't drop last night because I definitely was still in prot loot spec by accident
lusty grotto
vial 😢
warm plinth
You have my heart @daring marlin ❤️
My paladin was using vial as well before I got the grapnel so I know them feels
I'm pretty proud of my parses on pally so far
only normal ones but still
lusty grotto
what a champ
warm plinth
ok guess I go work now
daring marlin
good luck friend
warm plinth
14 days until my vacation
daring marlin
DON'T DIE OF BOREDOM
lusty grotto
not with that attitude
😎
just ignore pain the boredom away with cute discord messages
proper roost
i have to farm heart and forgestorm on my warrior for prot next week
but that sounds awful to do 
proper roost
i have a 441 weapon already and decent trinkets so the desire to farm either of these
is EXTREMELY low
lusty grotto
yeah running NL and Nelth over and over and over again gets depressingly boring
i wish i could just do prot loot spec on vault for anvil/mark instead of dps
way too fucking many 2 handers in this season
exotic pewter
Its Lariat still viable? Mainly for m+?
lusty grotto
not the best anymore
exotic pewter
Oh
lusty grotto
but viable? sure
exotic pewter
So I should get a crafted neck? Haste-versa?
lusty grotto
or just get the VP one
exotic pewter
Vortex?
lusty grotto
haste versa crafted yikes
haste crit crafted 👍
if youre gonna make a haste versa crafted, dont waste the spark and go for the VP neck
ionized choker or whatever
exotic pewter
Ooooh right
Thx men
Im still farming Neltharus for the weapon tho
Next gonna be VP then
Neck its my lowest item
lusty grotto
VP also has a haste/crit cloak and heart of thunder
can be difficult to farm with pugs though
exotic pewter
Yea
Already got the trinket, really decent imo
I got grapel, anvil and heart of thunder... which combo should I use for m+?
Been using Thunder + Anvil...
warm plinth
That's when you just let them live their fantasy
urban portal
which disc was this
warm plinth
Codex was legit not strong on any tank, especially after the nerf/fix/whatever you want to call it
crude notch
Just got done being an argument about 4 DPS keys for the last hour in that same discord so I'm tired.
toxic pewter
anyone else still wear their codex
crude notch
I didn't realize 4 DPS key enjoyers felt so strongly
toxic pewter
wat u argue about
urban portal
codex is the best shadowlands trinket
crude notch
I was asked why I thought they were bad and I gave the trinity and balance as reasons and was told "Blizzard doesn't care about balance so why would I" (That's literal quote not paraphrasing) and well there was no counter to the trinity point except my points being boiled down to "you just don't like it"
crude notch
And "having a niche" is fine in regards to me saying that if ppal can do that much healing where do you draw the line on tanks offhealing balance
crude notch
Anyone actually killed mythic sark as warr yet
not logged
crude notch
Well there's only 51 guilds that have killed it so I'm sure it can be easy to find
toxic pewter
I mean say what you want about how balanced things are, its just disengenous to say they dont care about balance... this patch alone shows they are making efforts
crude notch
yes there has been
crude notch
Anyone know of any though
<Unwealthy Homeless Man> killed it with PPal Pwar
toxic pewter
lol
cinder monolith
<Unwealthy Homeless Man> killed it with PPal Pwar
Banger, Ty
toxic pewter
thats truly an amazing guild name
crude notch
ikr
novel cloak
any merit in taking tought as nails over bloodsurge for dmg?
toxic pewter
nelth pretty good now with the chains
daring marlin
the hell they are
crude notch
23 of 50 were Pally/Monk
1 Pal/Pall
1 Bear/BDK
4 BDK/Pal
2 BDK/Monk
1 Bear/Monk
1 VDH/Monk
1 Pwar/PPal
And the rest were not listed.
toxic pewter
interesting
warm plinth
@crude notch you ready for this big leveling push on the 18th?
toxic pewter
wat u mean
crude notch
My anus is ready
crude notch
the hell they are
heck*
warm plinth
lul
toxic pewter
is heroic throw coded as if its a melee attack cuz we throw our weapon literally
also if you guys didn't get the heroic throw glyph, its pretty cool, throwing my thunderfury is badass
lusty grotto
the only glyph i use is bootyclap
cinder monolith
23 of 50 were Pally/Monk
1 Pal/Pall
1 Bear/BDK
4 BDK/Pal
2 BDK/Monk
1 Bear/Monk
...
Tyvm
I shall use this as ammo
sick sentinel
im still not a fan of fort ulda
lusty grotto
😢
proper thunder
if only shield slam would silence for 2sec :<
warm plinth
gimme gag order back
lusty grotto
when shield slam purged
warm plinth
heroic throw silence
lusty grotto
oh yeah
and reflective plating 😢
i would take gag order over disrupting in a heartbeat
especially with titanic throw synergy
sonic tangle
Remember Gag Order back in the day 🥲
warm plinth
Yeah especially now that they've devalued disrupting a ton with all the mobs can't cast same spell at same time shit
lusty grotto
it'd be like a man-mode avenger's shield
fuck that throw shield shit, ill throw my weapon
or weapons with titanic throw
warm plinth
Captain America shield is bis wdym
warm plinth
You're still pink
sick sentinel
isn't storm bolt throw weapon?
heroic throw is a got a quiver full of swords and i know how to throw them
sick sentinel
fine, we get condemn or banner then, its a choice
warm plinth
heroic throw is a got a quiver full of swords and i know how to throw them
There's a glyph you can get that makes it throw like...your weapon or a weapon from your bag or something
dull zodiac
do u guys like using homeland raidign horn in m plus?
lusty grotto
yeah i like to use it, to throw in the garbage
dull zodiac
idk it showed as bis on our cheat sheet for m plus on wowhead thats why i asked
warm plinth
Technically it's not a bad trinket as far as damage goes, but it's way too easy to get hit by the swirls which nukes 20+% of its damage right there.
dull zodiac
right
warm plinth
And even easier to get hit by the swirls as a tank
sick sentinel
dread plates is a bit cursed
warm plinth
Because you can't always be moving around
proper thunder
(meaning you never hit yourself)
impossible in a true m+ run
dull zodiac
my only alternative is phial
warm plinth
Yeah, it's just not realistic
warm plinth
I'd rather use vial, yeah
dull zodiac
ty
warm plinth
I would macro it to like, ravager or TR though
Not Ava
Since it will line up with those every time
warm plinth
yessir
dull zodiac
its diff for fury
waxen vale
is prot warr more dam than a paladin?
im pretty impressed with 430 ilvl 60k overall as a noob
in an 18
warm plinth
I believe pwar is more damage than prot paladin in M+, but probably not in raid with ST build I don't think? Strictly feelycraft though; I don't know for sure.
toxic pewter
depends on the player
warm plinth
Easy to check the latter though obviously
We're also getting a compensatory buff on Tuesday
Which will bump us up a bit compared to now
waxen vale
im a pretty solid prot paladin, mained for years, 441 ilvl, and a lot of BIS stats/ etc. I don't even do 60k overall in 20s
so then as a novice wrrior i just do 60 overall in an 18 and im wondering
warm plinth
it depends on the key as far as all that goes
warm plinth
You're going to do more overall in a Freehold than you are in a VP
lusty grotto
ew
toxic pewter
i do b ig dam
lusty grotto
thats what she said
toxic pewter
and they usually bubble hearth or forfeit
waxen vale
i will say the vibes in this discord are ... diferent
toxic pewter
even with their heals
crude notch
Do healers realize how much easier keys are with even the slightest bit of healer dps?
waxen vale
yea i got challenged by a simlar ilvl by a surv hunter
warm plinth
I don't think they do Jordan
daring marlin
they not as tanky as us in a duel
I'll duel you
waxen vale
but my healing is actualy comprable to prot pally
daring marlin
sissy
crude notch
like my priest is a weanie 395 and I'm doing 25k overall in most dungeons and it's just smooth and half my dps is my stupid 408 ragefeather and annulet
crude notch
i'm 100% not executing my rotation right at all and it's just like why do other healers struggle to do 10k
warm plinth
Are you disc?
crude notch
ye
waxen vale
do you know how fast. you would all be banned in the hammer of wrath
for bein off topic
XD
warm plinth
Yeah, disc is such easy dps; I gotta wonder what the 5k overall ones are even doing
waxen vale
the mods tehre take their jobs VERRY seriousl
warm plinth
Hold on I have a copypasta from ChatGPT for this
crude notch
dude i had a disc priest early part of the season who's atonement healing was 2%.
novel cloak
any point having over 6000 haste?
daring marlin
im a pretty solid prot paladin, mained for years, 441 ilvl, and a lot of BIS sta...
why do you lie tho
crude notch
i was like bro
warm plinth
Actually I should probably not post it in here
crude notch
one piece of gear has 600
warm plinth
It's quite long
crude notch
send in dm
crude notch
lol
novel cloak
6000 haste*
warm plinth
ChatGPT nailed that shit
crude notch
the mods tehre take their jobs VERRY seriousl
you can talk in general all you want but obviously don't talk in questions like a pepega
warm plinth
any point having over 6000 haste?
You can have as much haste as you want because you probably won't get to the point where you would want to stop taking it
toxic pewter
ngl they gave me all my items too fast this season i got nothin to do
novel cloak
ah ok, so just cos its hit 6k, i can keep going
daring marlin
ngl they gave me all my items too fast this season i got nothin to do
AW SHIT HERE WE GO AGAIN
toxic pewter
guess ill go play diablo 4
warm plinth
ah ok, so just cos its hit 6k, i can keep going
Yeah 6k isn't really anything anyway. The first DR is at 5100ish and the 2nd isn't until 7k
novel cloak
didnt inow if i should switch out of into the fray back to heavy repercussions now i have over 6k
warm plinth
Into the Fray GAINS power with more haste
toxic pewter
AW SHIT HERE WE GO AGAIN
warm plinth
It doesn't lose it
novel cloak
ah ok, how come no one took it in S1 then?
warm plinth
It's a multiplicative increase, so the more haste you have, the better it becomes
novel cloak
it wasnt recommended in s1 i thnk
crude notch
ngl they gave me all my items too fast this season i got nothin to do
play an alt or hear me out, you don't have to play one game.
toxic pewter
guess ill go level my bear
novel cloak
Because we needed HR for the Shield Block uptime
ah i see. and tough as nails, is that worth dropping bloodsurge for?
warm plinth
No
crude notch
At the start of DF it was very clear they didn't want to make DF a "must log in every day" expansion.
warm plinth
You would only drop bloodsurge for Spell Block. Otherwise you just don't take the node
crude notch
Which is great.
toxic pewter
At the start of DF it was very clear they didn't want to make DF a "must log in ...
True, cant argue with that
novel cloak
You would only drop bloodsurge for Spell Block. Otherwise you just don't take t...
thanks so much man
warm plinth
warm plinth
apb: Game gave me gear too fast
also apb: I wish the game would give me gear faster on alts
toxic pewter
LOL
crude notch
LMAO
crude notch
i'm steadily climbing it's nice
warm plinth
That shit cracked me up ngl
toxic pewter
lmao
waxen vale
do u guys run immunity in bracken? i found area after boss 1 horrendous
crude notch
you're going the wrong way then
toxic pewter
wat u mean immunity
crude notch
What are you dying to on the right side
you're the second person i've seen say that in the last 24 hours and i just don't get what people are dying to in the tree area.
crude notch
yeah kick breath stun anything else that goes off and you're free
I love tree area
One day I'm just going to go from boss all the way to those last two trees and pull it all in between.
crude notch
Are you dying to that or are you dying to misplaying something else.
daring marlin
Aren't those diseases mostly slows anyway
warm plinth
I've never felt in danger there and even though I'm a prot paladin I basically never dispel myself there
daring marlin
Likewise
warm plinth
My paladin has 115% movement speed
crude notch
Even my monk has no problem
warm plinth
yuge speedy boi
craggy pilot
jesus christ the Wardens hurt in Neltharus
crude notch
I haven't done it with any other tank except for brew and bear, so
craggy pilot
i guess thats the Spell Block thing
crude notch
ye
warm plinth
Do you guys wanna see the pull I tried in 20 Nelth
crude notch
ofc
warm plinth
It almost worked but we had kinda low DPS
daring marlin
Roll the tape
warm plinth
warm plinth
I survived for 1 minute and 13 seconds. Pack was still alive
We had a molten core go off
crude notch
yeah that's the deciding factor nothing else will kill you
warm plinth
But even so, I died first
daring marlin
feelsbad
daring marlin
Can only roll the defensives just enough
crude notch
D:
sick sentinel
is the AA buff meaningful or not
warm plinth
Thanks for the validation guys. I was told that the pull was maybe a bit sus
sick sentinel
like as in, i don't think it adds to our attack power, adding to our dmg
daring marlin
hell no
warm plinth
But I figured with lust and blasters it should've been fine
daring marlin
Bitches should do more damage!
crude notch
I know ghash has gotten this surely bc we were in gally together, but have any of you gotten dps going "good pulls" after doing a freehold.
daring marlin
especially with lust!
crude notch
I pull every freehold like I'm boosting a 15 back in the day
warm plinth
I do too lmao
crude notch
Wait y'all had lust and they only pulled 230k
sick sentinel
mages are usually good blasters but they are hard to find
warm plinth
Yeah that was with lust
crude notch
damn
crude notch
that's rough
warm plinth
Boomie left after we wiped 😦
crude notch
My bear pulls that with that pull.
sick sentinel
mages players are crazy
crude notch
I also HAVE to pull that much dps with that pull or I die
warm plinth
crude notch
The rise and fall of running UF lmao
warm plinth
yeah
I love pulling Freehold though. It's so chill for me
Just sit back and watch people die to trying to face tank enraged scrappers or standing in rat traps
daring marlin
I prefer it on warrior but I agree
craggy pilot
We had a molten core go off
i had 2 molten core go off, with 2 kicks ready in grp 🙂
on +20
warm plinth
But I don't die, so idgaf
waxen vale
dude same
craggy pilot
4 molten core actually
waxen vale
literally 30 second ago
warm plinth
Yeah I think I was the only kicks in that pull tbh
waxen vale
they all accused me of bricking for double pullig
crude notch
I blow people's minds when i run over the traps as bear
craggy pilot
7min30sec overtime
warm plinth
LOL
crude notch
swore at me in orcish
waxen vale
bear in mind all 2k IO andys
crude notch
lol
craggy pilot
i couldnt click Chains after 2nd boss btw 🤔 is there a cap to how many each person can use?
i did 2 chains, then i couldnt click anymore
waxen vale
i feel very squishy going into pulls sometimes other than keeping rage at the end of a pull what cna i do
like first puull of a dungeon which is usually big
i have issues
craggy pilot
you open with CDs usually
crude notch
if you don't have the rage to start a pull, start with a coolie.
craggy pilot
so Demo Shout + Block + Wall/LS
dull zodiac
on howmany targets is execute better than revenge
crude notch
That's the other great thing about that pull as bear, I get a minute of incarn.
waxen vale
so u pull with leap/charge, demo shout and wall?
craggy pilot
charge always
crude notch
don't leap into packs
waxen vale
k im a nub
sick sentinel
bh is the worst one right
waxen vale
i thought it was good aggro
toxic pewter
sometimes I leap into an immediate charge
craggy pilot
i thought it was good aggro
charge+TC
crude notch
thunderclap
sick sentinel
thats the key im most worried about this week is bracken
waxen vale
ah ok
crude notch
charge into theorycraft
craggy pilot
charge into theorycraft
🤣
toxic pewter
they both can reset ss technically
toxic pewter
make execute great again
urban portal
probably never because of how the class tree works now
execute talents are all under arms
so they would have to put some execute talents in the prot tree
but the prot execute talents are too contested
massacre is against block duration
and juggernaut is against punish
urban portal
block duration can be dropped
but you cant really drop punish
its probably just a dps loss
lusty grotto
have people not learned anything from fenrir
i swear to god just did an underrot and told this warlock 4 times to stop fucking moving when i intervened
he kept doing it and then said "he had to move from swirlies"
daring marlin
they are not very smart
lusty grotto
there were no swirlies
daring marlin
same as the pally that died to ascension on heroic sark
mf tried to say an evoker dragged him into it
lusty grotto
lollllllllll
daring marlin
lusty grotto
good excuse ngl
vital arch
It was the Lizzard people!!!
craggy pilot
anyone know if theres a cap to Chains in Neltharus?
craggy pilot
there was times when i didnt have debuff, and couldnt click the chain 🤔
lusty grotto
i mean we just did it earlier today and we did the hallway to that boss in 2 pulls
craggy pilot
like the "use" cogwheel didnt even pop up when i hover over it
lusty grotto
oh idk about clicks, we used 1 chain twice and then the next one twice
craggy pilot
it was brand new chain
but i had done 2 chains before
so maybe theres a max pr player?
lusty grotto
there are skulls that arent chains, are you sure youre not thinking they are?