BROOOOOOOOOOOO
#protection
crude notch
lol
dusky canopy
are killing me
dusky canopy
dude its like shit hits the fan completely p3
warm plinth
heroic I assume?
warm plinth
sadge
dusky canopy
were baiting asteroids on sarks position p3 so its basically free some how we lose atleast 1 to that every time
lol
harsh light
Just seen something interesting, was wondering if there's some verification behind it,
the tank and healer combo 1st bosses in BH, is that spell reflectable?
lusty grotto
there's a few there, the important one is the disorient
they are on the spreadsheet that's pinned
since day 1 of this season actually
cinder storm
Sense is the goat
harsh light
Thanks boss, ill look at it kinda forgot there was a spreadsheeat
crude notch
It's okay you're not alone us boomers are just in here everyday so we see it and forget that not everyone lives in here
urban portal
Can you juke piercing shards in lair
cinder storm
Trash snaps
undone verge
is shadowflame wreath? better than sophic
crude notch
Spell block I mean
No because it only works on the initial hit
daring marlin
It's okay you're not alone us boomers are just in here everyday so we see it and...
finally accepted your boomer status
urban portal
So it’s just sr+sw and hope for the best
crude notch
finally accepted your boomer status
Boomer is a mentality. In the class discord sense it can easily be attributed to those that think everyone knows proper class discord etiquette and scolds anyone that doesn't follow the unwritten rules of class discords.
Alas, I am not perfect and have been an offender of said behavior as well.
As far as real life age of boomer, nah that's just you
daring marlin
hexed pumice
yo
noob question
whats mobs in uldaman do we use spell blockfor
in neltharus we use for the blazing slash from the qlashis wardens
and in NL for the drags
hardy snow
undone verge
I did that on a 19 and it was fine
sick sentinel
zenith vine
holy cringe
sick sentinel
lament zealot
Are peeps still running brutal vitality or is it not as good with old 4 pc gone?
undone verge
brutal vit is still the way to go
proud patrol
what...no.. we got buffs, i expect community perception to skyrocket to increase invite rate! 🥸
toxic pewter
Is that guy talkin down on prot warr
He from area 52.. I will find this individual and crush him in game.
proper roost
damn yogi really
working out there in the m+ mines
😔
i'll heal keys for you yogi
sick sentinel
12 minute keystone
proper roost
and solo afflic
sick sentinel
one for each level of the key
undone verge
does erranog ring get outsimmed in ST with the changes next week?
toxic pewter
I mean does a +3 need healing lol
sick sentinel
tonight is wtf am i doing with my life
undone verge
"peaked at 52k hps"
pallid quiver
I'm not sure why the competitive wow reddit was brought up, but I've seen some wild things on there anytime I've stumbled there
I'm positive there's gotta be some sensible people there, but then you see things like this. It's not even the worst
ornate lodge
if you listen to comp wow you would think only 1 tank could do keys
crude notch
Not any different than any other form of communication.
Reddit shit talks class discords.
Streamers shit talk class discords.
Class discords shit talk both and guide writers.
The circle of life continues.
hallow phoenix
finally got my forgestorm 
celest glade
anyone have a blazing slash cast bar WA?
crude notch
hey look @daring marlin is in my raid
lusty grotto
hollow marsh
I mean does a +3 need healing lol
+3s probably not, but I recently pug healed a 15 for wyrm crests and it was 5x harder than a 20. No kicks at all, and had to solo afflicted 🤡
toxic pewter
Sounds about right
edgy bone
quasi lintel
Are you guys rocking with different talents between fort/tyr?
steel crystal
i know i got a diffirent tree for underrot
tame jasper
am i wrong to pull 2 on a +11-15?
On 11-15 ofc. On higher I split the two pulls into four (with other mobs) to obly have two of the basilisks in mya single pull, due to bleed
tame jasper
whats mobs in uldaman do we use spell blockfor
Several, one of the main mobs you want to use it, is the golem before the spiders and its is fissuring slam cast
steel crystal
so is it gonna be worth taking shattering throw or not because it has to be casted
fresh igloo
it will be a good backup every other incorp or so. it won't be up for every wave, so you'll still want two other CCs available most of the time.
crude notch
or let your trust group handle it 🙂
tame jasper
I dont take it - dont even know which tslent to swap out for (maybe shorter leap, but I want to keep it, esp in eg VP for 2nd boss). And if the grp has 3 ppl who are able to desl with it (same as last werk) you sre fine in all situations
toxic pewter
I’m not taking shattering throw f that
Ain’t nobody got time to cast that shit
I’m already casting beacon
Any more casts I’ll be a damn mage
crude notch
If you take it people will expect you to get it. So don't take it then no one will expect anything of you.
tame jasper
When I played on Wednesday, the main prob was that 90% didnt even speced their abilities to desl with the affix or just didnt do them
crude notch
Well on wednesday the affixes were afflicted.
tame jasper
In 20/21
tame jasper
Well on wednesday the affixes were afflicted.
And its still the same week?
toxic pewter
Good dps will do it well and happily tbh
Just gotta find good players. Boot the ones not specced in the talents
Or leave group immediately
steel crystal
Any more casts I’ll be a damn mage
True
crude notch
And its still the same week?
Well shattering throw does nothing to afflicted, so
afflicted and incorporeal are two different affixes
steel crystal
Well shattering throw does nothing to afflicted, so
yeah people are saying that btw
idk why
toxic pewter
Afflicted we can’t do anything
crude notch
people are saying what?
crude notch
Well i'm not responsible for them unable to read
toxic pewter
I still think rallying cry would be cool to heal all afflicted
steel crystal
true
pallid quiver
i think shattering throw should shatter the affix
toxic pewter
Yah that would be cool too
steel crystal
but do we get the healing from it
toxic pewter
Oh shit or intervene it lmao
crude notch
does not matter in this context, the point of this conversation is allowing all specs to have a counter.
toxic pewter
30 sec cd
crude notch
Because every spec should be able to counter every affix.
crude notch
I believe we're in the best state we've ever been with affixes, but I still strongly believe that every spec should have the ability to counter every affix.
steel crystal
yes
very
ok total noob question
i can freely cast shield wall right since its cooldown gets reduced with shield bash
pallid quiver
You want it available for times of big damage, but you also don't want to sit on it
crude notch
shield bash, what year is this? i yoke i yoke
pallid quiver
It has like a 1-1.5 min CD when playing properly, so if you expect spooky damage within 2 mins, don't use it
steel crystal
ah o k
toxic pewter
Hell yeah cast shield wall a lot. Most players hold it for some reason but I use it a lot
pallid quiver
And work on trying to pace your runs to use it on CD pretty much
crude notch
A bad use is always better than no use.
toxic pewter
I use it a lot before I use beacon
pallid quiver
As long as you have it up for the "I am going to eat utter shit without Shield Wall" moments, you want to just slam it as much as possible
steel crystal
yeah
pallid quiver
and the best way to learn what those moments are is to get murdered without shield wall
because you had used it already
crude notch
100%.
pallid quiver
Or by simple logic of "tank get hurt by big boss swing"
steel crystal
yeah
pallid quiver
examples from last season being birb peck, searing blows, this season with Sark dot and the like
steel crystal
how would i get logs posted btw
kind of what to make sure im playing my class correct
tame jasper
Well shattering throw does nothing to afflicted, so
Ops yeah mixed them up 🙈🤦♂️ ofc
Only played Wednesday this werk, got fu**cked up by depletes and was happy to go on a short vacation on Friday until tomorrow 😂
crude notch
how would i get logs posted btw
How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that whenever somebody ask for advice we ask them for a log, and if you’re new you might have no idea what that means or how to get one so :
🔸First, download Loggerhead (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/loggerhead) or ERT (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/exorsus-raid-tools)
Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/pvp) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options).
Alternatively if you don’t want to install an addon for it, whenever you are going to do an activity you want to log type /combatlog in chat to start logging said activity.
Remember to activate advanced logging in the options
All these options will store your logs in your wow file inside the retail folder and the log file.
🔸Second, go here (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download) download the client. Select the live section of the client, select the upload a log button and select the fight you’re interested in putting up as a log and boom(kin) you’re done.
🔸Third, once you’ve done all this, your log is uploaded you can put it up here and we can look at it together to see if you’re doing something wrong.
tame jasper
Dont know who Ill get my keys for this week, with D4 in two days 😂
steel crystal
woah
tame jasper
But I only need two more items I can put into catalyst for higher tier - and its still a long time until cata. And maybe a heroic beacon (but for this I would have to find a heroic raid every week 🤮)
limpid estuary
Anyone know how the treemouth consume mechanic works? I cant seem to spell reflect it but i have had it not apply a debuff before
Do you just need to go every other with a dps?
violet prairie
Should I farm for Mark of Dargrul worth to farm if Whetstone is hitting 5-6% dps at 415
frozen rose
Sarkareth p3 tank buster ability is blockable with spell block ya? This makes the damage to the rest of the raid 0? As in no need to go to the separate realm for debuff expiration
limpid estuary
I think you still need to go down side. It will mitigate the damage but not eliminate it
tired girder
Waiting for our damage buff next week..first time tanking as main and enjoying a lot the warrior even if is not the S tier.
I literally feel God on packs.
Rotating my defense cooldowns to not overlapping and the procs not be wasted and it's a blast.
exotic pewter
Its the Neltharus weapon viable for m+?
tired girder
Forgestorm? It's our bis like the pins said
tired girder
I am using it and do a lots of damage
Click the "person" symbol on the app and then "pins"
drifting pecan
do I need to set arms/fury for the mark of dargrul in neltharion’s lair?
still estuary
Any suggestions on how to take on those glacial proto dragons in 15+ keys? They slap hard even with cd:s up and that last pack before the frost boss is even worse? Got ~430 ilvl.
tired girder
Step away from it, range it I am doing that and it helps.
I did the same question and everybody told me that
fresh igloo
they plant when they cast and channel the breath
it's a wide cone but only 15 yard range
tired girder
When you notice they will cast, run away Forest Gump
forest fern
Just don’t outrun the party or they’ll end up like bubba 🙂
green trench
Question about Sark cloak.. is it worth it? Tried looking up on TLDR and other places but can't seem to find answers or I am just utterly blind..
jagged pier
I think in raids its a bis
But in m+ maybe not has like a small uptime
I mean u dont miss much running it
Only stam really and well thats not our issue so
🤷
jagged pier
I mean im just running it always because extra effect is better than not effect
In mythic tho if u want extra stam just run another cape doesnt make muh of a difference over a key anyway
sick sentinel
In mythic tho if u want extra stam just run another cape doesnt make muh of a di...
But who will carry the boats?
sick sentinel
You through your play carry the logs
Well put . Thank you.
tame coyote
A question to those M+ ppl that like to pull big… ❤️ My opener is as follows; LS > Avatar > Charge > TC > HT the far mobs and IP + SB whilst far mobs come in then Ravager & TR. But I keep running into 1 issue… Until I build up the IP I’m getting trucked, never died but I do get super low and proc BSV. Especially dungeons like UR & FH the opening triple packs. Any suggestions?
dusty basin
A question to those M+ ppl that like to pull big… ❤️ My opener is as follows; LS...
Shield wall
I mean such big pulls will hit big 😄 so you just gonna face that and call for externals or use cds
tame coyote
Ok, I thought I was missing something lol
Is it really this bad currently pre buff
restive scroll
The way they do the ranking is quite stupid imo
spring ermine
I mean our toolkit is still the same as in s1, and in s1 prot warr was the best tank
restive scroll
Non representative, at least
forest fern
I think often last tier just means a larger gap between those playing it good and those playing it bad
Top tier the gap is less
spring ermine
@restive scroll well they are choosing only the top keys, so its somewhat representative. If prot would be good, for sure the top players would be playing it.
restive scroll
Could also be because of the affixes, of the donjon rotation ecy
restive scroll
<@236517045699608577> well they are choosing only the top keys, so its somewhat ...
That part is why i said not representative rather than stupid
spring ermine
What kind of way to rank would you prefer?
restive scroll
Hps means very little in that case
spring ermine
They do not rank only according to dps and hps, otherwise dh or dk would be rank 1
Popularity is also a metric
restive scroll
What kind of way to rank would you prefer?
The population is quite interesting, of course.
But factoring in the utility is why some tank rise in some situations.
I'm think pwar in upper kara in legion, and mass grip for dk in legion for example.
For example in this season, they seem to be many decast and dispel, which is great for pal
spring ermine
That again leaves the question why in s1 prot warr was considered the best tank.
Our toolkit didn't change.
restive scroll
The donjon rotation did
sleek current
Paladin rose to the top after getting gear in Season 1 because of utility. It do be like that. Personally, I don't care where Warrior is it could be F Tier and I'll still be playing it going Zug Zug, me smash things with flat metal.
restive scroll
Paladin rose to the top after getting gear in Season 1 because of utility. It do...
Same
And as naidak said, paladin rose at the end of the season, maybe they just scaled better
still carbon
Is Shadowflame Tempered Armor Patch
Stackable ?
sleek current
It is, friend.
restive scroll
All inm saying is that it looks like a correlation rather than evidence of something
strong forum
Prot Warr is last tier <:Condemned:746292504474943507> Is it really this bad cu...
see a trend there?
strong forum
which just hilarious
cuz BDK does 4x as much hps as every other tank, vdh does more dmg, and pally is the most popular
so ofc they will rank high xdd
spring ermine
What do you think would be an appropriate rank for prot
restive scroll
Idk, just saying this one is not the right computation =]
strong forum
2nd slightly in favour of pwar over vdh
spring ermine
So if prot warr is 2nd best, are these guys just handicapping themself?
restive scroll
Ranking means very little
Whatever you're very comfortable with is often better than what's best
sleek current
They're handicapping their dopamine. Warrior is clearly the most enjoyable. 😂
restive scroll
Then you have people h'that are great at everything that can swap :')
strong forum
wow is not a competetive game where you HAVE to play meta
spring ermine
The world top players are usually complete meta slaves and will play whatever class is currently best
strong forum
The world top players are usually complete meta slaves and will play whatever cl...
you see 5 different healers, 3 different tanks, and like 10 different dps
soooo....
restive scroll
The world top players are usually complete meta slaves and will play whatever cl...
Or whatever they think is best
Can always change on any given run
spring ermine
I see three tanks: druid, pala, dh
strong forum
yeah i thought i saw brown
didnt open the screenshot
but anywho
SURELY
if what you said was true
youd only see 1 comp
sick sentinel
toxic pewter
Just ignorant as hell
spring ermine
uff
sick sentinel
Reminders as of last night this I'd what community thinks of rot warrior
spring ermine
Interestingly enough I think the best thing prot warr has going at the moment is survivability, especially against physical
strong forum
yes pwar is exceedingly good this season
cuz 6/8 dungeons are like 90% physical dmg
restive scroll
Reminders as of last night this I'd what community thinks of rot warrior
I was asked to kill myself because i was playing pwar in legion, for middle level keys.
Means nothing
strong forum
but perception thinks pwar has been nerfed into the floor (without any nerfs btw)
restive scroll
Some people just suck
sleek current
Uldaman crocodiles are scary though. Only over timed by 5 minutes just some cleaning up to do and boom I've got another 20 under the belt. Lol
spring ermine
thats exactly my point. in s2, prot warr is still great, lots of physical damage, so i dont understand why no top player is playing prot.
toxic pewter
It’s kind of crazy how a single individual defines the meta lmao
strong forum
pwar is suddenly strong again
sleek current
<@228223093334605824> just stun and/or dwarf racial
I will never be a dwarf and it annoys me that they can clear bleeds. Instead of Bastion's Spear we should've gotten Steward. Haha
spring ermine
@sleek current you can still stun and kite
sleek current
<@228223093334605824> you can still stun and kite
Yes, it doesn't make the crocodiles any less scary. Haha.
sick sentinel
Uldaman has been a large pain point this week tried pull number 2, 3 packs of mobs on 13 and then 12 and both times instantly got blown up
spring ermine
@sleek current also use spell block against them, its very effective
strong forum
cant spellblock a bleed
sick sentinel
Second time where I didn't delete the footage thought I have everything in front of me had aggor, but had 2 creatures hitting me in back
spring ermine
@sick sentinel if you want check out how im playing uldaman 21, im pulling pretty big https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fAJdWHj74GNZc6Ch#fight=25&view=replay
toxic pewter
I do a loose kite and slam ignore pains/shield wall for them
spring ermine
cant spellblock a bleed
yeah nvm...i just use dwarf racial so
regal pier
Super dumb question but for Prot warrior it’s really just about keeping up IP/shield block right? And then just cycling defensives as needed?
sick sentinel
Like if I see a pack on mdt and it has 3 groups in one pull
Im not meant to pull 2 packs killed part of or one pack
spring ermine
@sick sentinel well look at the first pull, its 3 groups
sick sentinel
Then go back for rst
spring ermine
and other than that usually also 2 groups most times
sick sentinel
The routes I have been downloading are dratnos ones
spring ermine
@sick sentinel yes i mean in the log i link you can press play and you can see each pull, what abilities i used, how my hp drops, etc.
sick sentinel
And both times from early start of season 2 both the early route and pretty sure this week's route both said to pull 3 packs on pull 2 uldaman
crude notch
if you're expecting any other answer from the pwar discord than "yeah pwar is 2nd best" then you on that good ish
sick sentinel
And then, on low keys 13 and 12, both times I pulled that and died
spring ermine
@sick sentinel for 2nd pull i would only pull 2 packs...i mean on a 13 you can go for more but not on 20+
crude notch
every tank gonna think they're second best right now except maybe bdks, guardians probably think they're still worst but they're also on that good ish
toxic pewter
What does prot pal discord think
crude notch
like i'm seeing bears complain they weren't included in the buffs on reset.
after being the only spec that's been buffed every month of the expansion
sick sentinel
And then o got the druid of that key yelling at me about pull size and it has nothing to do with route, previous run I got rogue yelling at me to Los so etching I do t know what it is or where to Los it
toxic pewter
Do bears just hate their trees still
strong forum
Super dumb question but for Prot warrior it’s really just about keeping up IP/sh...
super dumbed down its: Press offensive buttons on CD, get as much rage as possible, spend as much rage as possible without starving yourself, use IP to prevent overcapping and always have SB up
crude notch
Do bears just hate their trees still
i don't even know anymore, if they're not happy after 10.1.5 just ignore them.
toxic pewter
Yeah hmm
sick sentinel
It's becoming extremely unfun to pay between "buy wow token cuz reasons", snd "you died cuz reasons"
That's my hot take about wow
crude notch
I say that as someone who truly has been in Bear's corner for the last 4+ years.
Yogi, it's not the games fault you are too lazy to make gold other ways.
regal pier
super dumbed down its: Press offensive buttons on CD, get as much rage as possib...
For sure. Thank you! Tanked a bit in s1 and had a lot of fun with it and wanted to know if anything changed. Glad to know we still just get in there and mash offensive cds
sick sentinel
I've never played the merchant role in games to make billions of gold o don't actually need
strong forum
For sure. Thank you! Tanked a bit in s1 and had a lot of fun with it and wanted ...
that part always holds true
pwar hasnt changed since legion in how its played
crude notch
you don't have to play the merchant role in games to make gold
regal pier
Will look into tanking higher and higher. What defensives do you guys roll through during HOI if you aren’t taking spell block on dragons breath?
tame coyote
personally I picked up pwar this season, after being away from the game since early SL. After playing BDK, VDH in the past I dont understand the lack of popularity of pwar. Yes there are certain pulls that get sketchy and pala would have a better toolkit but relatively niche, and with the dps buff coming in I think we'll be on par with pala on overall dps if not better. Yes there will also be a meta but for example Naowh loves VDH and he's playing it at a level most people would not be able to anyway.
untold adder
Will look into tanking higher and higher. What defensives do you guys roll throu...
spell reflect, demo shout, shield wall
spring ermine
boys, what do you think on buffed thunderlord in m+? i think its really viable
proper roost
you can outrange the breaths in a pinch (they're 15yd range) as well, but like
You rotate all your cds on them so you never do a dry one
strong forum
Will look into tanking higher and higher. What defensives do you guys roll throu...
you can outrange the breath
the breath is really short
proper roost
if you do have 0 cd on a breath you outrange it
unless it's a very low key or youre getting an external
regal pier
Doesn’t the breath follow you? So would you just keep pulling into the next group? Or leap back towards frog boss room
strong forum
its not long
proper roost
it's the same with any tankbuster like blazing slash, if you don't have a cd for the next set, you need to kite, plan better cd usage, mobs need to die faster, or u need external
strong forum
it follows, but its not long
regal pier
That’s hilarious and I love it. I wasn’t taking spell block and the whole key went great at like 418 ilvl in a 17 and then I got to the dragons and just fell over
That part was not great
sick sentinel
I'm just extra frustrated with wow atm
untold adder
the first 2 packs are ok, and we always just the 3 pack in fort weeks
proper roost
usually for new tanks it's just not using defensive cds enough or at all because you haven't had to in low keys
but they're there to be used
sick sentinel
I don't feel like log on to wow at all til Tuesday now
untold adder
its the same in Nelth, you also have to time CDs for the trash that does the blazing slash
regal pier
Yogi don’t get in your feels just keep asking questions to improve in here
Been in here for 3 mins and I already feel like I can manage way better
proper roost
The goal is that you should never really have to use a cd reactively
if you have, you've likely made an error in gauging how much damage you'll be taking from a given section of the key
especially shield wall
that's the #1 mistake new tanks of any class make
they only use defensives reactively when they're like 30% after a big tankbuster already happened
regal pier
That’s funny that you say that because some of the best pwarrs I’ve ran with I never saw their health dip below 70%
proper roost
in a high key that means you just died before you react
regal pier
20 UR I remember the tank “Shetank” absolutely crushed it
sick sentinel
Mostly uldaman giving me trouble this week but it gave me so much trouble I was gonna quit again
tame coyote
That’s funny that you say that because some of the best pwarrs I’ve ran with I n...
it's very rare to dip below 70% if u're pre-planning pulls & CDs. I mean it happens for sure but it might also be they are also reacting much faster. I had a guy comment that with breath today, why my hp was "not moving", it was just a case of SR + IP into VR into Health Pot, to the naked eye my hp remained at 100% but realisticlly that was about 700K in 2-3 globals
tired girder
I use my CD constantly. For the experience with pugs there are pulls that are harder so on these even if I don't need right away I use a CD. Less stress for the healer and can pop up other party members.
Use the CD constantly, dont use them always as a "oh shit button"
The more you use them the more you know they are there
sick sentinel
Is there a site that updates weekly routes for newer players and doesn't do stupid triple and quad pulls
toxic pewter
Mostly uldaman giving me trouble this week but it gave me so much trouble I was ...
Fortified Uldaman is no joke imo. Even tyrannical is difficult too
sick sentinel
Skip 7 packs of mobs shit
proper roost
well
uldaman is kind of like that
a lot of the mobs do nothing but tank damage so you want to pull as much as you can realistically handle as a tank
sick sentinel
It's so fuckib maddening to search routes and the only option that appears is the skip 17 packs and double giga pulls
tired girder
Is there a site that updates weekly routes for newer players and doesn't do stup...
Raider Io weekly routes. And pull after you check how your rest of the team are playing
sick sentinel
And then you do that route and pl get mad
tame coyote
It's so fuckib maddening to search routes and the only option that appears is t...
what key levels u playing?
sick sentinel
It's crazy
That's where I got the ulda man routes
And as discussed I did the#2 pull of 3 packs and both times we get annihilated on that pack
Low keys even last night was a 12 and I still went boo. To it
And so now I'm mad
tame coyote
At anything below a 20 realistically u dont need to make any "giga pulls". Just take your time and try to chain pull as best u can, you should have more then enough dps to time the key. Take safe and slow. Unless you're super comfortable making large pulls it will just cost you more time
sick sentinel
It's listed as a 15 w route
regal pier
unless you have a gigachad in the group i would just pull normal
sick sentinel
And first time itwas 13 second time 12
proper roost
i'm not sure i would really go off looking up MDT routes necessarily if you're doing sub 16s
sick sentinel
That's what I'm getting at
proper roost
doing 11-15s is a really good time to take a key at your own pace and learn the route; no one is expecting tanks to know a good route at this time
proper roost
learn the route/learn what the mobs do
sick sentinel
How am I supposed to know what's pulling normal when I got a route telling me do this other thing instead
proper roost
Just do the key and don't pay attention to what some random route says
sick sentinel
Like... dude...
proper roost
if it's listed as a 15 route i'd be doubtful of how good it is anyway tbqh
regal pier
If it is a 3 pack pull you only do one-two packs based off of your judgement
tame coyote
honestly @sick sentinel at that key level u shouldn't even bother with routes and snaps and thinking were to lust, etc... just take ur time and enjoy the game. Eventually you'll build muscle memory and pulls will become second nature
regal pier
Maybe take a break or refresh on what you can do to help out the group as well
proper roost
You learn it like how everyone else learned it week 1-2, yogi; there weren't publicly available "meta" routes or w/e for any key
and even still today people do wildly varying routes in several keys for 20+s
they just pulled to their comfort and learned what they liked as a tank
tired girder
You need to test the route. If you know that you can't handle both packs, do separately. Easy.
On vortex there are a pull where you pull both sides before first boss and I split them because most pugs die to them without interrupt etc. You can and must adapt to the route and take your time
proper roost
freehold is like a great example where i've literally never had the same pull cadence twice
i've never seen anyone do the same exact pull cadence twice
there's a decent amount of rng with patrols and your group's dps and what tanks like so they all pull differently
sick sentinel
Free hold is solved content for me
proper roost
how did you solve it originally, though? Think about it
sick sentinel
I can run that and mostly never worry
eager marlin
Free hold is solved content for me
Lol
proper roost
You just ran the key and you learned what routes you liked
You didn't have a site or other people tell you
That's the point
sick sentinel
I only had all of bfa to perfect that dungeon.........
regal pier
Just seems like you are super bitter and just blaming your groups
regal pier
Usually I dont blame the route made by people who are running 10 key levels higher
This game definitely is not E for everyone
proper roost
I'm blaming the route
ye so don't use the route
Like you said, you learned the freehold route yourself
what's stopping you from doing that for ulda
you didn't use a site for your fh routing learning, likely
tired girder
Me as a noob tank... Every pull first thing I do is stun mobs if party need support I use rally cry and have like 99% my shields up.
sick sentinel
No but iqas able to run it 3bery day for 2 years
On multiple difficulties and as leveling dungeon
eager marlin
I am pretty sure you have not solved Freehold
tame coyote
@sick sentinel try this tip; Go in the dungeon in M0 as solo, and try to see which pulls you can solo. Anything that feels "ezy" maybe it's time to try and group with something else, anything that is just insta killing you, it's time to split up 😉
sick sentinel
There is zero things I don't know how they work in freehold
Like I know you can block 3rd boss ogres whirl wind
And I know you have to move when bird hovers in first boss
crude notch
what abilities remove the barrel yogi
tired girder
There is zero things I don't know how they work in freehold
We never know everything. There is always space to improve.
And with that mentality you will never learn new dungeons. Thats why you are maybe struggling.
You are looking the others when you need to look first what you can do to survive and time the key 🙂
sick sentinel
what abilities remove the barrel yogi
well, i think that dude i the inactive one, but theres not alot you can do about it if i recall off top of my head
i think maybe someone dispells it
quiet minnow
what resources you guys use for keys? i watch quazii vids which i like but maybe some pwar specific tips from anywhere if they are compiled in any spot
sick sentinel
i didn't play a healer in bfa, so i wouldnt really remember that part properly, just that a barrel was on me
eager marlin
Freedom(pala), some bm hunter shit, some monk shit
sick sentinel
i know its the council of 3 captians jolly or the other one, i can never remember spefifics about the males between ones a kul'tiran and pretty sure thats the barrel dude
sick sentinel
no, im pissed at wow though now, dont wanna play
im just annnoyed with the entire thing
regal pier
dont give up brother just keep striving to get better
torn gulch
if you really want to understand the dungeons you do your own routes
i go trough each trash mechanic and stuff at the beginning of the season
and make my own routes
makes me udnerstand the dungeons much better
and i reiterate over the course of the season
regal pier
jakey coming in with that tech
jagged pier
literally what i do
torn gulch
like for example i consider what cc's i have and make my pulls based on that
a good example is the basilisks in uldaman I don't pull a lot of them at the same time because they wreck the tank and i wait for multiple chomp casts to shockwave and mass fear
etc etc
regal pier
jagged pier
i mean i have all portals and pugged them all pretty much 🤷 ppl over think dungeon way to far espically in this expansion and bliz literally said they wanted routes to be easier to theres basically no variance in most of them
regal pier
100%
tame coyote
@jagged pier 's comment. Can someone pin it pls? 😄
quiet minnow
i mean i have all portals and pugged them all pretty much 🤷 ppl over think dung...
Routes are easy I’m having some struggles with knowing what mobs are most dangerous to me and how to handle them
Trying to figure out where I can maybe be a little more aggressive and where I can’t
The most frustrating part of tanking for me is when I get fuckin deleted and don’t know exactly why or what I did wrong
crude notch
When you log you can look up how you die and then that shit won't happen again
quiet minnow
yeah ill have to just get more used to checking logs in m+
i look at them a lot for dps in raids
proper roost
i think most people learn the mobs by just limit testing tbh but it's both easier and faster to just check logs
tropic gorge
I had a dude in hoi lose his fucking absolute shit over me going left instead of right at the start
Everything that happened this guy would type "it's because the tank went the wrong way". God that was annoying
tender carbon
Hey guys I solely m+ and play prot with some friends, what’s your guys’ recommendations for embellishments? I currently use lariat and the Vers armguards from last tier, how’s sporecloak? TIA
tropic gorge
Hey guys I solely m+ and play prot with some friends, what’s your guys’ recommen...
The pins got you covered
proper roost
i'd honestly leave if that wasn't your key
if the criticism is valid then it's kinda whatever but both left and right are valid routes for hoi
tender carbon
The pins got you covered
Ok cool, I wasn’t sure that was solely for raid 👍
proper roost
Life too short to be gatekept by some ksm hero
heavy hawk
How is everyone dealing with vicious basilisks in Uldaman on higher keys? I feel like i will die as soon as i step into melee range with them.
timid thicket
Can I macro SS into IP/revenge/TC/ SB to help snipe resets? And in that case should i put SS first in the macro?
Can I macro SS into IP/revenge/TC/ SB to help snipe resets? And in that case should i put SS first in the macro?
strong forum
Technically yes
But it'll cause issues in m+
Also I think it actually breaks if you have 2 gcds on the same macro
proper roost
you can for IP and SB but not revenge or tc
strong forum
So it doesn't even work i think ye
Otherwise you could actually do a 1 button rotation
That just checks if SS ready, if not then TC, if that isn't then revenge
And just Hammer 1 button
timid thicket
True, might do IP and SB and try it out
unique cobalt
list on what spells are blockable ?
lyric cape
unique cobalt
list on what spells are blockable ?
graceful cobalt
hi should i upgrade my elementar neck and frostfire belt or used my 437 from VP and Neltharus Belt 437
Ionized Choker this neck and Trapmaster's Utility Belt this belt
timber nest
Any tips for the first pulll onVP? The triple shield guys take so long to kill.
eager marlin
just drag them with you into the next two mob packs, they will die eventually
north orchid
is Annulet still as good as the sims say? My sim is saying dropping a 424 annulet for a 437 Tormentors is a 2588 dps loss?
i get that the draw of tormentrs is the massive verse but still...
sleek current
Aye, it's pretty strong
north orchid
yeah i guess, just kinda feels bad keeping a 424
sleek current
Agreed
graceful cobalt
is it worth to hold on 421 elemntar and 421 frostfire belt than Trapmaster's Utility Bel 437 and Ionized Choker 437 sims tell me 3k dps +
dry spear
would you take spell block for rashok mythic to block the flaming slash?
vague swift
Depends on the number of externals you have in your raid and how many you cotank needs. Usually my paladin cotank solos every 2nd combo in a phase with bubble. That leaves me with shield wall for the first and an external for the third. In that case I don't need Spell Block. So just have try and plan them out and you will see if you need it.
slow pawn
they finally buffinf us again after nerfing us every patch in season 1 yay
knotty egret
So, with the addition of the 8% damage and 10% AA buff, would we start to drop the annulet in favor of a haste/crit haste/vers ring?
strong forum
they finally buffinf us again after nerfing us every patch in season 1 yay
we only been touched once in s1
and it was quite minor
proper roost
EVERY
SINGLE
PATCH
crimson furnace
toxic pewter
Why everyone say prot warr easiest tank these days.. just watching random ones on twitch and YouTube they all kinda suck
And I’m not even preaching as if I’m really good or anything
When I play arms I see nothing but bad prot warrs too when I encounter them
toxic pewter
But like I feel like the ceiling is high or something?
I guess I have some sort of bias I’m missing yeah
Is our ceiling considered lowest too I guess?
toxic pewter
I really feel like prot warr has highest discrepancy between good prot warr and bad prot warr for some reason though
toxic pewter
Like it’s weird people dont know how to play it
strong forum
if you missplay, you missplayed, can not easily recover from it
toxic pewter
Yeah that could be it
Hmm yeah I guess that’s best way to put it
I think knowledge is biggest factor for us out of all the tanks
Maybe vdh too for some reason
tropic gorge
I wanted to macro ss and execute together
Is that possible? To make full use of sexecute procs
strong forum
vdh has innate mitigation downtime, thats why its easy to fuck up
strong forum
Is that possible? To make full use of sexecute procs
no
you cant put 2 gcds on the same macro
tropic gorge
Bah I didn't think so
toxic pewter
Yah I remember when I played Vdh a lot I got punished hard if I messed up my mitigations
Like I would f myself bad
Is execute even worth using these days lol
I’m half joking
untold adder
what should i spend my 3. spark + Aspect crest on? Gloves?
I can also upgrade all 437 to 441, but prioritizing the aspect crests on crafting
untold adder
i have a backup neck in bags for replacing lariat with when i get my next embellishment
untold adder
i would do gloves with shadowpatch and use this till i get better
strong forum
sounds like a plan
toxic pewter
Did you not put shadowflame on shield?
untold adder
nope, shield has flavourpocket
toxic pewter
Ah, yeah I threw shadowflame on shield, crafted neck with flavor pocket
tropic gorge
i had potion inhib on mine in s1
toxic pewter
But that’s expensive sort of
tropic gorge
swapped to shadowflame during a recraft for s2. its worth it
toxic pewter
Gloves works ya but that’s also a tier slot but I think you have 4 piece already right
untold adder
yea i do
tropic gorge
im considering crafting some shoulders or boots. but i dunno
toxic pewter
Yah true almost a shame to craft there
tropic gorge
sparks are fucking impossible for me to get it seems
untold adder
cuz 400+ haste
😦
strong forum
they dont drop unless you are a week behind
so yeah
beyond the normally scheduled ones, you dont get any more
proud patrol
is anyone playing with lingering sporepods? is it healing a lot? currently running ward which gives me more control over my defensives so im wondering whether switching might be worth
strong forum
dogshit trinket
proud patrol
alright, guess its back to ward until i have the lair trinket
flint adder
sparks are fucking impossible for me to get it seems
You get them at the same rate as everyone esle. Half a spark per week.
chilly brook
sparks are fucking impossible for me to get it seems
As mentioned earlier, if you’re caught up now you won’t get any more
crude notch
even in HoI
+23 Halls 3rd boss
chilly brook
I’m going to run contrary to what most peoples reactions are to this
It’s fine
It’s not a super common or viable strategy for most players
daring marlin
+23 Halls 3rd boss
omegalul
It takes a lot of points to do that but it's still pretty silly.
chilly brook
It takes a lot of points to do that but it's still pretty silly.
Kinda my point
It’s not really realistic outside of very high end
crude notch
Well no shit pulling 127k HPS on a boss requires it to do damage
chilly brook
And to some extent like it is kinda fitting of their class fantasy
crude notch
Thanks for your astute observation Griff
chilly brook
Well no shit pulling 127k HPS on a boss requires it to do damage
That’s not what I was referring to
Thanks for jumping to the wrong conclusion
No healer runs you dingus
Your average group is not doing them
crude notch
Your average group also eats crayons, that doesn't mean they should just leave this.
And when Bear can do it in 10.1.5 it'll be a problem too.
Hell I can already pull 90K HPS on that boss in a 20. Wait until I can slam regrowths on people.
daring marlin
I'd be cool with them deleting the four talent points that enable that degenerate shit.
deft raptor
how important is it to get rid of mastery as prot? I main fury and naturally i have a lot of mastery, no other gear atm, is it bad that mastery is close to my highest stat?
final mist
how important is it to get rid of mastery as prot? I main fury and naturally i h...
Not very
Obviously the stat ranking is idealized
But overall stats are relatively close and you're fine tanking with Fury gear
crude notch
Definitely not gonna stop you from doing whatever you had in mind
deft raptor
yeah thats cool, i was just curious if it was important or not so much, ive just been tanking upto 15s so far and not came into any real issue on my end.
crude notch
You won't come into any issue.
final mist
^
crude notch
At any point really
deft raptor
my goal is to do 20s, i guess it doesnt change much then either?
final mist
Your ability to press buttons correctly are way more relevant to how well you do than any sort of stat combination will ever be
deft raptor
cool, no issue then, also saves trying to get another gear set or whatever xD
crude notch
Yep the only thing that'll hold you back from living and dying in a 20 is your hands
deft raptor
thanks for the help guys
crude notch
No problem
daring marlin
@crude notch I hope they nuke these points from orbit. Or at least HotP. If not the no healer shit ain't going anywhere.
crude notch
Orbit it. Based Guilford.
You're back in the based category.
Was worried the other day, but you're back.
daring marlin
crude notch
I think people fail to realize "your average group isn't doing them" isn't a valid argument to why this should stay. No other tank can do this shit right now. If they're gonna nerf DPS offhealing in 10.1.5 they need to nerf PPal offhealing too.
chilly brook
I think people fail to realize "your average group isn't doing them" isn't a val...
The thing you have to ask though is
- is it common?
- is it easy to pull off?
If the answer to both of those is yes then sure it probably needs a look at
That being said I do think the answer to number 2 is going to be no
Since most tanks aren’t healer brains
crude notch
Who determines what's common or not? How many runs do you need for it to be a problem?
chilly brook
That’s a very easy question to answer
How many paladins in general are doing it
What is the %
crude notch
And by who's definition are we doing to follow "is it easy to pull off?"
chilly brook
If it’s only isolated to a very very small subset of the population then I don’t think it’s really an issue
crude notch
I mean it wasn't common when they nerfed lotp last time.
They've tuned around the 1% before why should they not here?
chilly brook
Remember this has been possible since before DF
crude notch
Griff I'm aware
chilly brook
It didn’t dictate meta then
crude notch
I know zmok has been doing this forever
chilly brook
I have a feeling it won’t now
crude notch
But if you think people doing equal to highest key level without a healer in a game designed around the Trinity of RPGs is okay, you're cooked.
sick sentinel
how do you mean trinity game
chilly brook
Tank healer dps
sick sentinel
oh right
The trinity i was thinking of was runescape PVP trinity (melee kills mage, ranged kills melee, mage kills ranged)
daring marlin
I'd argue prot pally offhealing hasn't been this strong before.
sick sentinel
like ranged being "hunter shit, MM basically"
crude notch
I'd argue prot pally offhealing hasn't been this strong before.
I think Zmok doing it in a key multiple levels below highest is fine. But multiple doing it in a key equal to highest is not.
daring marlin
At least not since MoP and vengeance.
But that was mostly in raid and judgment of light
weird shit
crude notch
And the logic of not enough people are doing it to warrant nerfing is also cooked because rextroys entire identity is being a one man army
sick sentinel
back in my day we only had one judgement
crude notch
And getting things nerfed
sick sentinel
then we had 3 judgements for reasons
used to have judgement of minor raid healing minor raid mp5 and another one that was basically hamstring that never got used
only the healing one ever got used realistically
crude notch
24 Neltharus without a healer btw
24 Mammoth without a healer? Post them fixing the tech.
Gtfo
daring marlin
I figure blacksmith scarier
crude notch
That too
daring marlin
post nerf especially
chilly brook
then we had 3 judgements for reasons
Having 3 judgements was better than only one
Didn’t make you have to swap to a random seal just to judge wisdom
crude notch
Yo @daring marlin the real sauce is gonna be 5 pally keys in 10.1.5 with hpal rework
waxen vale
I've been playing prot warrior heavily last two weeks. Got him up to 430 and done 18s .having issues staying alive above 18 though. I kind of expected prot war to be better at mitigation than paladin which i main, but I'm not excellent at prot warr yet. Am i just bad or does warr really need the help its about to get
Got my shield block uptime to 75% last key
crude notch
Can't pinpoint what you're doing wrong though without a log
That's an assumption that gets mainly killed
waxen vale
Would it be really wrong to use defensive stance
crude notch
In an 18, yes.
waxen vale
Aggro has been an issue
crude notch
Sorry there's no way to slice it.
waxen vale
Way more than paladin
crude notch
Everything you're describing so far is an execution problem, not a pwar problem
waxen vale
Yea in not sure i play it right and I'm sure not very well
On hard packs i have healed 60k
Idk if thats normal
crude notch
Can't really help you though without a log.
waxen vale
Maybe too much ignore pain
jagged pier
brother u just arent pressing your buttons if those are your issues
tired girder
if this was already answer apologise but there is any weakaura to track the set bonus?
craggy pilot
last boss HOI you shouldnt kick the adds right?
dusky canopy
ive seen them kicked and cleaved
and also just pick a side no interupts
if it works it works i dont think it matters to much
crude notch
Kicking becomes mandatory at some point because of how the mechanic works
They're buffing the boss
I just can't tell you what "some point" is myself because I haven't seen it reached or reached it myself. lol
I'm now a nome follower,
#1 fan
sudden palm
last boss HOI you shouldnt kick the adds right?
Mind control is the best if you have priest
craggy pilot
They're buffing the boss
oh didnt know it buffed the boss
like increasingly or what?
but when they get kicked, they cast an unkickable spell
craggy pilot
Each second is like 1% more damage or something
ahh never noticed
so kick all, and then rotate AOE stuns
sick sentinel
Having 3 judgements was better than only one
just meant everyone spammed the healing one cuz healing numbers was something everyone could see and understand
for mana judgement, it was like, the priests? i guess would have to like, attack with a wand while it was up, or deal dmg, and then they would get mp5/mana
thats another completel and utter mystery to me too "healer mana bar"..... so hard to detect if they need to or are going to grab mana before fight
sometimes, waste, 10 seconds, cuz i think they are gunna go from 40% mana to at least 80% when we all alive standing at boss
wraith hemlock
U can always say "mana?"
waxen vale
Neltharus is a dungeon i have zero issues with on paladin, but the guys who do blazing slash hurt a lotttt. Spell reclect saves you from one, but what do you do for the next one or in a pack with 2? I think there are a couple
Just plan shield walls aroundthat?
astral whale
spell block
tame jasper
Did this discord turn from warrior to paladin?
daring marlin
Did this discord turn from warrior to paladin?
People play more than one tank and discuss differences. Weird. 
sick sentinel
Did this discord turn from warrior to paladin?
no i am still dark mode
waxen vale
It's more like I'm having issues with stuff paladin has no issues with so
In here to ask how yall deal with it
sick sentinel
the paladins as you know........ use the light.....
waxen vale
I am also curious wrther paladins are super broken or if i just really suck at warrior
toxic pewter
In here to ask how yall deal with it
spell reflect, shield wall, defensive stance, spell block
daring marlin
yogi you're fuckin' weird bro
waxen vale
Ah i didnt think of switching def stance
crude notch
Did this discord turn from warrior to paladin?
Homie must work for Blizzard thinking the tanks live separately from each other
toxic pewter
waxen vale
Mb its a magic shield
sick sentinel
i mean, also, callin people weird
like, we are on phones and computers talking about our characters in game pretending to be mr omplyia with shield
sick sentinel
we all are weird in here im pretty sure
daring marlin
I meant no offense buddy
crude notch
hey yogi, have you considered like not being weird tho
toxic pewter
sick sentinel
we are in a public area
crude notch
you're in a public area
sick sentinel
then, you are to i would imagine
toxic pewter
lusty grotto
pretty sure you cant block while doing neltharus chains but... has anyone checked if you can spell block them to do trash?
lusty grotto
oh?
mellow bridge
got hotfixed a few days ago
sick sentinel
well, for me what it is, atm, i wouldn't mind to do uldaman for IO but i tried it twice now and both times the key got completely bricked
so, my confidence for running that dugeon is 100% shot now
mellow bridge
yep
lusty grotto
i see they nerfed its eruption dmg
mellow bridge
gone as well
lusty grotto
roger
mellow bridge
they removed the cheese, nerfed him a bit
sick sentinel
little blue potion on a desk, yah
sick sentinel
removes or prevents stacks or whatever yeah
proper roost
the mob nerf doesn't actually affect the dungeon
they were pulls you never did and never iwll do
only the thaumaturge
which like, the thaumaturges don't actually come with any other kickable npcs (unless you pull multiple of them) so i thought that was a little weird but w/e
final mist
yeah but the magmatusk and chain nerfs were good and welcome ones tbh
made the dungeon as a whole much easier
latent pier
I hate pugging neltharus just because of the chain boss.
One idiot dies with chains, gg
final mist
wym I really enjoy when all three dps immediately break chains and blow everyone up
its great
lusty grotto
i didnt mean on nelth, i meant in general
craggy pilot
how do you guys rank this #11 pull? every time i try to do it with pug they ninjapull extra shit 🤣
toxic pewter
why not just pull it all
craggy pilot
https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/protection/weapon_enchantments/castingpatchwerk
is shadowflame wreathe good for M+?
craggy pilot
why not just pull it all
idk my route is perfect 100% right now 😄
idk what to skip instead 🤔
toxic pewter
what mobs are you killing instead of those ones
those mobs pretty easy
especially with chains
craggy pilot
i feel like im skipping a lot
could maybe skip more in the Forgemaster area
but it feels safe to clear the room
toxic pewter
16 and 18 suk ass they did get nerfed tho
craggy pilot
16 and 18 suk ass they did get nerfed tho
ye those were the ones im thinking of skipping
vital arch
16/18 you can skip@
craggy pilot
but idk feels safer to just clear
toxic pewter
just dont keep ur back to that area ever duringboss
vital arch
I’ve never had a pug pull those
toxic pewter
and dps should know that too
craggy pilot
and dps should know that too
yea that doesnt sound pug friendly
toxic pewter
I’ve never had a pug pull those
yeah same
toxic pewter
yeah now that chains do no damage to us
you and group should be using each one you come across
they too strong not to use
toxic pewter
that pack you skipping has a chain in there
craggy pilot
the chain is in the pack im not skipping
toxic pewter
near 11 i mean
craggy pilot
from keystone guru at least
toxic pewter
pretty sure that pack also has a chain
that green dot doesnt seem right to me
thats the cooking goulash
craggy pilot
wanted to go and check but i need to kill boss to get to that area 😄
green dot is the ghoulash yes
and its correct
toxic pewter
yah thats no a chain i mean
theres a chain for that pack you are skipping
its there you will see it
toxic pewter
yah theres a chain at the red dots
craggy pilot
oh you mean theres 2 at that room?
toxic pewter
theres a chain near that pack as well
craggy pilot
5 chains before 2nd boss
and then 2 in the room after hmm
upstairs has 0 chains right?
can you take the same chain twice?
like different people?
sick sentinel
back half of fortified ulda man im less sure of so dont roast me, the furthest we made it to was the big group with the stone guy (15) and the curse of stone guy, also 2/3 was killing us so im splitting that up
craggy pilot
i did change my route for this
the timereavers at the end really suck
and the skip is quite easy
sick sentinel
oh, i don't know of any skip there, haven't even made it that far into the dungeon on mythic+ on fort
sullen gust
If you do wanna pull them, advice would be do it in 2. Pulling all 3 feels like suicide especially in fortified
But yes, just hop round the right side and you can go round the pillars to skip the 2 at the end
sick sentinel
is that chomp from the basilisks, is that something thats gunna nuke me if i'm not mitigating it
or is it something else on 2 and 3
craggy pilot
If you do wanna pull them, advice would be do it in 2. Pulling all 3 feels like ...
all 3 is suicide yes 😄
but even 2 is dangerous
sullen gust
Chomp is basilisk yeah
craggy pilot
is that chomp from the basilisks, is that something thats gunna nuke me if i'm n...
yes
it hits real hard
sick sentinel
i pulled, 2 with 3, and we got, nuked, obliterated, twice
craggy pilot
either stun it or kite
sullen gust
Sadly it's a bleed so I don't think you can't really do much once they've hit you (except be a chad dwarf)
sick sentinel
more worse than the dudes casting chain lightning (that we have to kick ya, of course lol)
whenever i did that both times, it was like, atomic bobmb
proper roost
Pulling 16 and 18 is insane
What key levels have you been pulling that on
Your healers hate you
chilly brook
just meant everyone spammed the healing one cuz healing numbers was something ev...
You definitely judge wisdom in wrath
It’s huge
sick sentinel
like i said, ain't even made it that far in the dungeon
chilly brook
The only one that sees rare use is justice
sick sentinel
im pretty sure thats just what i saw on the old route i had tbh!
the one that got me killed, well, partly that
sullen gust
This might not be what you're after, but I usually would go to bromach first, then back to dwarves. It's not as important on fort but on tyrannical you'll feel much better having BL for those totems. The dwarves are kinda an easy boss so you can scoot back and finish em before using the drill to get back to after 2nd boss. Lines up your lust a little nicer for the talondras (stun boss) and maybe a little for the last boss.
sick sentinel
12 isn't stupid ? combining 2 packs? it's listed like that on purpose because it's directly after a boss, so i could see combat buffs coming back for 12
sullen gust
12 isn't stupid ? combining 2 packs? it's listed like that on purpose because it...
I think you have 4 weavers in there, if they all cast the stone hail thing you're having a bad time
Depends on key level and if you trust your party to also kick, which I usually wouldn't do unless they prove to be helpful ya feel?
proper roost
pulling multiple weavers with raging is a good recipe for a bad time
tame jasper
This might not be what you're after, but I usually would go to bromach first, th...
Totems got nerfed. I lusted dwarfes before stomach to get 2nd lust on 3rd boss and 3rd lust on final
sick sentinel
i very often have a difficult time determining when im supposed to combine pulls, and solo pull packs, can't do it on the fly
its like, have you ever played a magic the gathering booster draft, anyone here
well, for those that have done it, i have tried that many times, and every time i attempt that, i don't do well.
tame jasper
back half of fortified ulda man im less sure of so dont roast me, the furthest w...
I would not pull 14 due the golem. The pack on the other side does nothing
And curse of stone is interuptsble
So it does nothing
sick sentinel
lots of people did die on totems it seemed, so i'll maybe try that boss first
steel fossil
hey all,what is the best "defensive" embelishment
craggy pilot
what is the best Wep Enchant for M+?
craggy pilot
cus there is new enchant
idk if its better 😄
also wowhead guide only states best for raid
loud cave
Between the 2, would Vulpera or Worgen be a better Prot Warrior?
vivid pumice
how do you guys do the first pull of NL? do you stay on one pack to gain resources, do you just clap move clap getting the aggro of all the shit?
marble cipher
idk if its better 😄
Sophic vs Shadow weave (or whatever the name of the new one is) is just a question of 'sim yo self' really.
Wether one is better than the other is entirely up to the rest of your gear.
craggy pilot
Sophic vs Shadow weave (or whatever the name of the new one is) is just a questi...
yea idk how i would sim it for M+ though 🤔 since it sims way higher in ST, and ST is always a good thing because prio dmg and bosses
wraith hemlock
but sophic gives main stat which provides both offense and defense right?
warm girder
Amalgation Chamber Mythic: any "special" prot warrior tips I should apply? Just prepping for the first pull tomorrow, so no live experience yet.
craggy pilot
but sophic gives main stat which provides both offense and defense right?
offense = defense, if mobs die faster they cant dmg you
cinder storm
Check sense's spreadsheet that's in the pins
wraith hemlock
offense = defense, if mobs die faster they cant dmg you
sure, but if you die before they die because your natural defense is lower then it is no use
unless your offense is high enough to one shot them
which is not the case
warm girder
Check sense's spreadsheet that's in the pins
I did. Seems like both P1 mobs tank busters are reflectable, so no difference there. All the spell block mechanics are avoidable anyway - aren't they?
jagged pier
Amalgation Chamber Mythic: any "special" prot warrior tips I should apply? Just ...
auto attacks slow
craggy pilot
sure, but if you die before they die because your natural defense is lower then ...
my natural defense is just fine 😄
warm girder
auto attacks slow
How does it help there? They dont have any AA applied dots/mechanics, have they?
warm girder
You thinking experiments, arent you? 😄
jagged pier
well thats what ppl ask for
wraith hemlock
my natural defense is just fine 😄
👍
warm girder
well thats what ppl ask for
Hehe, yeah, figure it's the one that hurts most. We are a bit slow on prog this tier sadly.
chilly brook
sure, but if you die before they die because your natural defense is lower then ...
Sophic won’t be the difference between living and dying
wraith hemlock
doubt shadowflame enchant will either
wraith hemlock
on st
crude notch
ST is the damage that matters js. don't at me no cap dab on them haters.
slow shore
hi guys is annulet still bis for tanking m+ and raid?
chilly brook
Sim yourself
slow shore
can i sim defensives?
proper roost
not really
waxen vale
Is honed reflexes good?
waxen vale
I see.
waxen vale
Are the talemts on guide pretty reliable?
pallid quiver
Not sure which guide, but check pins here
Those are generally what you should swing with
Honed Reflexes is effectively just a CD reduction on Pummel most times, due to SS resets existing
waxen vale
When i untalented rend because i never use it i figured there was something i was lissing
pallid quiver
In pure ST, no Bloodsurge and all, it can sometimes shave a slight amount of CD, but it's nothing mager
pallid quiver
well, blood and thunder au- yeah that
waxen vale
Yea took me a min and my dam sucks so maybe thats why
ruby musk
I mean ... without rend (blood), you just get thunder...
pallid quiver
yeah rend's a non-zero amount of damage, especially with pickups like thunderous words
proper roost
the DF talent system is actually really dependent
on the player actually reading the talents and knowing what the key ones do
proper roost
can't really just slam a copy paste spec and fully understand it
waxen vale
Ill share
proper roost
uh
yeah i wouldn't really do that
the other major downside of the system is that it's incredibly ivory tower design and you don't know from face value that a talent like thunderlord isn't very good
pallid quiver
Our talent builds overall are super strong and well synergistic, particularly in comparison to some other classes that are less fortunate. On the downside, this means that if you deviate, your damage and survival can go bungo down
waxen vale
this is what i made
proper roost
which is probably not their intent but also that's just how it is
pallid quiver
if it makes you feel better i've seen worse
a lot worse
proper roost
It's somewhat stealthily bad
It has skipped some of the strongest talents but like very individually
pallid quiver
we've seen people not pick up VO, Shield Charge, or Ravager
at all
as well as no enduring
proper roost
ok fair 💀
pallid quiver
but yeah, blood and thunder's effectively a dead talent without rend, so there's (though you've fixed it) a lack of understanding going on
proper roost
not really sure blizz intended this system to make it so new players feel like they can make up their own build but actually be noob trapped into being terrible
but it is possible i think
pallid quiver
some classes can make their own build mostly and be sorta fine.
if only because a lot of their trees are so ass you'll pick some poor talents anyway
chilly brook
not really sure blizz intended this system to make it so new players feel like t...
They did it with the old talent system too
I’d much rather have this one though
empty inlet
Pretty sure on warrior as long as you have shield block up 100% the class feels great
proper roost
you mean pre mop, or post mop
chilly brook
Both
empty inlet
So you would believe that your build is good