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#protection
lusty grotto
mighty valley
do we stop blocking when we're casting beacon from beyond? do i need to be a little bit careful with it?
daring marlin
I think so but the cast is super fast
mighty valley
yeah 1.5s isn't too terrifying
lusty grotto
yeah maybe next week im burned out on raids
this was the first week i did heroic on pally
daring marlin
I'm lookin' to giga blast raid on tuesday now that I have 4pc
turn these purples to orange at least
lmao
actually have a second ST embellishment too
cinder nova
Imagine not swinging for pink
lusty grotto
yeah working on it, doing wyrm keys right now
daring marlin
I'm pugging and don't reliably get PIs bruh
also 393k(ret) parses vs 60k(prot)
you're a big fish in a small pond boomer
cinder nova
I'm pugging and don't reliably get PIs bruh
You don't need it
I never get it in my raids
daring marlin
again
cinder nova
Still coppin' them pinkies
daring marlin
you're playing a role filled with brainlets that don't care about damage
get some parses as DPS boomer
:^)
cinder nova
DPS brain can't do more than one thing at a time.
daring marlin
This statement is funny to me
You strike me as the type that would die on 90% of M+ pulls because you can get away with eating certain mechanics as a tank
cinder nova
Nah absolutely not.
The bleeds this week are absolutely helatious.
I usually sidestep if it doesn't track, so I can stay in the meat, but I'm usually running in and out instead of just hanging out and waiting for them all to rattle off.
I hate the Uldaman refti.
Because they just keep spamming it.
Although the basilisks are 1000% worse.
It's so fast.
lusty grotto
refti are easy though
cinder nova
Yeah, but I still don't like them.
Because they reward you for just kiting since they spamcast.
You're just liable to get bit and if you're ticking while they're at like 6 stacks you're going to get splattered.
cinder nova
I mean yeah, groups are gonna CC, but it's gonna DR and their cast is pretty quick. I never understood why not every stun can proc their vulnerability.
lusty grotto
basilisks are worse imo
unkempt hatch
Update. I left guild post raid completion. No words exchanged
I have a potential new raid group, but as DPS ): so I have to learn havoc.
unkempt hatch
I didn’t sever transfer, and all that jazz yet.
The one dude/guild healer I play with wanted me to at least talk it out
But I just don’t see talking fixing it.
pallid quiver
There is nothing to be talked about
The guy is insane at best, a sociopath at worse; he expects everyone else to have different goals than what they signed up for, and its beyond what he's capable of
There's nothing to discuss
mighty knoll
Although the basilisks are 1000% worse.
dwarf time
hasty palm
Hello ! Someone have tips for deal with blazing slash ( qalishi warden ) on Neltharus as war prot ?
fresh igloo
Hello ! Someone have tips for deal with blazing slash ( qalishi warden ) on Nelt...
you definitely want a CD up
spell block
shield wall
etc
pallid quiver
cheat engine
orchid gulch
Hello ! Someone have tips for deal with blazing slash ( qalishi warden ) on Nelt...
Defstance, Spell reflect and spell block are your options. Can also Shield wall it
fresh igloo
completely unmitigated you'd better have impending victory ready
cuz it gonna wreck ya
vale escarp
Hey Guys, Thunderlord is still a bait even with the buffs isnt it?
fresh igloo
probably
thunderlord de-synchs cooldowns that are otherwise perfectly aligned
so just making it do that more is unlikely to change anything
hasty palm
Defstance, Spell reflect and spell block are your options. Can also Shield wall ...
No possibility to kite the blazing slash ? Last try i make it seem to be but i dont know if that can hit a friendly melee.
fresh igloo
it's a 20 yard range, so if you leap you can sneak the first couple maybe
I think I negated a couple that way earlier, but you'll eat more after that.
daring marlin
milkman gettin' after it
toxic pewter
Honestly kiting blazing slash just seems like more trouble than it’s worth
Just gotta rotate defensives
daring marlin
Honestly kiting blazing slash just seems like more trouble than it’s worth
EXCITED FOR BUFFS?
toxic pewter
Yah they seem pretty good
Thunderlord one basically reverting to what it was for a while
undone verge
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nD317fCWzH6BFPTV#fight=10&type=damage-done this mythic amalg wipe gonna haunt me forever
was at 72k before I died
buoyant drift
Can the Spell block talent block dot ticks? I am getting melted on Zkarn. Trying to use all my rage, shield wall and Spell Reflect to mitigate as much as a i can..
undone verge
I plan on getting my 100 this week
undone verge
Can the Spell block talent block dot ticks? I am getting melted on Zkarn. Trying...
dont believe so, but what talents are you running
buoyant drift
A standard ST raid build from wowhead.
I adjusted some stuff later in the night. Grabbed the extra Stam nodes and scarred veteran. The dot chews my IPs. We swap at 10. Not sure what else to do
undone verge
mythic or heroic?
lusty grotto
Can the Spell block talent block dot ticks? I am getting melted on Zkarn. Trying...
it blocks void slash dot ticks but not zskarn's fire shit
probably best to double wall that fight
maybe even tlords and demo a few of them
buoyant drift
Heroic
lusty grotto
heroic i just play normally, if the other tank is swapping when hes supposed to you shouldn't dip too low
youll hit 10 stacks at worst
or around that
anything beyond that is the other tank's fault
i do play double wall for it though
double wall and def stance basically
undone verge
I just run UF, makes the bleed trivial when you LS
lusty grotto
?
im confused
you mean it doesnt do damage when you spam IPs from the rage gain
this assuming you mean unnerving
and not unstoppable force
daring marlin
yeah coconut is weird for saying that
undone verge
UnF or whatever
undone verge
I dont get what, 50% more rage, 50% more IP
lusty grotto
ok so basically what i mentioned
dry spear
how can i even get TL? no show of force?
undone verge
why would you want TL?
dry spear
more demo shout
undone verge
less dmg tho
undone verge
SD?
lusty grotto
oh wait this is not the guy asking about zskarn
what content are you looking to get TL for?
dry spear
m+
lusty grotto
the jury still out on total throughput
daring marlin
dry spear
more demo shouts = more dmg and less dmg taken. this is solid for keys. and you get 30 rage with each cast. maybe you can drop bloodsurge then.
lusty grotto
still no bueno you dont really need more rage in keys
still desyncs mad from avatar windows
like i said, wait for maths to be done if anything
toxic pewter
Na literally asked that earlier today we went through the numbers even from logs. Bloodsurge better than demo shout rage gen by a good amount
Can search my post about it around 7 hours ago
lusty grotto
besides unnerving is indeed the better pick
i agree with coconut there
on a pure dps build for example
dry spear
but you all talking offensive here. what about the defensive part of demo shout?
lusty grotto
can you think on any situation where casting demo every x amount of time will help you out that you cant already tank without it?
i mean zskarn is an outlier if anything
but that's not keys
undone verge
UnF just more fun
pallid quiver
jeebus, the gacha slave in me saw you as a lost soul with that acronym just out of the corner of my eye
toxic pewter
UnF is more fun but bloodsurge just more consistent
toxic pewter
Oh wow I dunno I still enjoy battering ram
somber sky
Damn the prot changes are dank
jagged pier
Thats a major over correction
TLs still ass
But the rest ill take
10 seconds extra on spell block i guess so it covers the whole of sarc mechanic
crude notch
Jakeypoo is awake to put us all in our place for thinking the buffs were good. Even Nome isn't safe.
jagged pier
They have to make TLs like the old legion lego for it to be good in my eyes
Currently shares a spot with battering ram i aint dropping that
crude notch
Jakeypoo there was more than one change
oblique kayak
which he mentioned - the rest is ok
crude notch
Biggest of all the tank buffs that's for sure.
crude notch
I do love that they increased the AA damage for warrior but not the other two.
jagged pier
Windfury stocks rising even more
crude notch
I'm not sure I fully trust the Brew numbers either because the unannounced "bugfix" for Bonedust Brew isn't fully sorted out.
somber sky
10 seconds extra on spell block i guess so it covers the whole of sarc mechanic
well this in itself is what I find dank
i love spell block
jagged pier
Well when a dungeon is 85% physical damage and most spells are inturpted or SR'd kinda pointless XD
tame jasper
Still not strong enough to run in freehold, saj
What you want run spellblock for in FH? The thunderstorm thing at the end you want to kick anyway?
jagged pier
Because someone came in and said r1 prot was running it in every dungeon
crude notch
jfc
jagged pier
So we must have to use it in every dungeon
Which is just wrong
And annoying ppl are still like that
crude notch
Even Jakey knew it was a joke this time
jagged pier
I was part of the conversation i memeber
tame jasper
Because someone came in and said r1 prot was running it in every dungeon
Ah. Did not noticed such a stupid call (so i didnet get jordans joke 🤷♂️)
pallid quiver
saw out of the corner of my eye, we use Spell Block in Freehold now? Good to know 🙂
crude notch
Spell block is for water bolt, 
jagged pier
I mean its great i have now pugged my way to all 20s have all portals 2.7k which puts me in the top 7% i think of all player in m+ but im not rank 1 so my opinion is invalid
pallid quiver
Yeah, that's how it works, Jakey
Just look at all the people asking the people who were born with money how to make money with hard work
thick obsidian
How do we get the gems from Onyx annulet fast now boys?
jagged pier
The same way as before
pallid quiver
Same as before, happen to have alts you don't want to play
jagged pier
Forbbien reach
thick obsidian
Grind?
pallid quiver
and just steal keys
jagged pier
Yer expect i am higher than 99% of the ppl asking
thick obsidian
Alright, I think I used my alts for my main in 10.0.5
jagged pier
And to the other 1% i know the class i know the damage break down of the dungeons i still know what im talking about
jagged pier
Alright, I think I used my alts for my main in 10.0.5
Well u gotta go grind on your alts now
warm plinth
Guys
Come on
You use spell block in Freehold so you can tank sharks on Trothak
Obviously
jagged pier
pallid quiver
one who tank shark is invisible, just like the mount
crude notch
this mount?
strong forum
I fixed my schedule instantly again 
warm plinth
this mount?
No I think he means this one
strong forum
i fucking cant
this is why my experience has been so stuttery
i installed it on a too fast drive
pallid quiver
moo lives poverty confirmed
strong forum
whenever i loaded into somewhere or opened UI elements too quickly before
it would have trouble loading assests
so id get stutter frames
despite 140 fps
now everything is as it should be
smooth and instant
crude notch
How much sleep sir
echo egret
Bloodsurge isn't in the build
strong forum
How much sleep sir
slept 9hrs
orchid frigate
read on twitter that next reset hotfixes made it into the game already. true or false?
orchid frigate
but then i would have to be in game 
warm plinth
still 20s
maiden ravine
they generally don't like messing with things mid resets
pallid quiver
9 hours? It's already been 9 hours since Nom slept?
i really have lost all track of time
amber siren
some of the changes are apparently in, but as far as I can tell none of the prot warrior ones and definitely not spell block
maiden ravine
which ones?
tame jasper
I mean its great i have now pugged my way to all 20s have all portals 2.7k which...
Are you me?
glacial skiff
Does the change to thunderlord make us want to use that instead of battering ram or another talent after reset?
for keys that is*
warm plinth
no
vocal nimbus
why they consider that brm is underperforming tho
crude notch
well they with the other two tanks that got buffed were in the bottom half for almost every raid fight when it comes to damage.
maiden ravine
BrM also got a massive nerf a week ago
somber sky
Still not strong enough to run in freehold, saj
On trothak, does shield block reduce the shark's bite damage?
crude notch
oh lord
strong forum
why they consider that brm is underperforming tho
they received a bugfix ~1.5 weeks ago which cost brm alot of dmg output
so now they got their compensation buff, same as we did
serene stirrup
Are the buffs any good right now ? That will make prot great over pala ? 🙂
strong forum
dmg wise yes
serene stirrup
And what about surv ? I wanna Switch to tanking but i can't décide the class
strong forum
this seasons is dominated by physical dmg intake out the ass
pwar is easily top 2 tanks for m+
you cant go wrong with paladin or warrior
serene stirrup
Oh i see thanks 🙂 pally is ahead just because of the utility ?
strong forum
ye
pallid quiver
From pins:
Q: I want a bis list!
BiS lists are a thing of the past because of the RNG of Vault and depending on how much of the raid you can clear on mythic.
The only notable things that are listable are as follows:
and then he lists the items of note
So not particularly any documents or anything, but you can check pins
unique cobalt
thanks
warm plinth
@pallid quiver you're on my bis list 
stark jewel
do yall think we'd drop something for thunderlords when the buff goes live in m+?
warm plinth
no
warm plinth
It's in the pins in the builds section
pallid quiver
<@111288222750924800> you're on my bis list <:peepoBlush:818323879315505233>
I think you need an editor
crude notch
ye imagine having so many good talents
raven flower
He, i think about change my race to Dwarf from Bloodelf, shoud i take drawf or Dark Drawf.
And in which Dungeon i can use the racial effektive?
warm plinth
Dwarf is marginally better than Dark Iron Dwarf. Uldaman and Halls are the two biggest ones
deft raptor
hey guys, i've just started tanking for the 1st time last few days, only done upto +15 keys so far, is there a point at which I would want to take tank trinkets over dps ones? i currently only have dragonscale from raid and mark of dargrul
spice axle
what's the bugfix that came with 10.1 in the last pinned message?
pallid quiver
hey guys, i've just started tanking for the 1st time last few days, only done up...
Any point in which you'd need to take tank trinkets to survive, the rest of your party has long since been dead
That being said, there are some actually usable tank trinkets for defensive purposes this go around, so if you want to use them, go ahead. You just don't need them
sick sentinel
That's pretty big no ?
crude notch
pins
warm plinth
what's the bugfix that came with 10.1 in the last pinned message?
Battering Ram was causing all of our attacks to do 20% more crit damage instead of just Shield Charge.
vocal nimbus
Would you play double shield wall for rashok mm?
vocal nimbus
Battering Ram was causing all of our attacks to do 20% more crit damage instead ...
So thats why i was doing 200k+ ss crits in voi?
I thought something was wrong cuz i havent seen one of those crits in a long time
neat blaze
hi guys, currently my warrior tank is a tauren but i'd like to change a bit, since he's been tauren for 4 years. I would like to make him a zandalari troll what do you think? I've read that some loa hugs are very interesting between bleeds, shadow damage, life and armor increase.
warm plinth
Idk I hate the way they run
fickle gull
hi guys, currently my warrior tank is a tauren but i'd like to change a bit, sin...
No theyre useless; stick to tauren for the extra stun or go dwarf
neat blaze
thx 🙂
fickle gull
thx 🙂
Maybe their self healing could be considered a defensive, but its a far stretch. The only solid buff is paku for the extra crit, but tauren and dwarf are better for m+, but if thats not ur content, it doesnt matter rly
Play whatever u enjoy
frosty mist
hi guys, question, I've receive a enchanted wyrm shadowflame thing, so I can make a craft, I already have shield and belt, what could be nice to get ? Upgrade my sword (421) or something else ?
graceful kite
hi guys, currently my warrior tank is a tauren but i'd like to change a bit, sin...
there are race sims on bloodmallet
but all races are fine except for dwarf - they're op
sudden palm
Anyone knows if the tank dots on experiments is bloackable with spellblock?
loud wave
Are we receiving 8% dmg buff on reset ?
sick sentinel
8% + 10% aa + 10s spellblock + TL change
wooden widget
Guys what’s blazing slash in the new pin?
vivid jay
blazing slash is the ability wardens use in neltharus
hazy bronze
It's a big owie no good touch
sick sentinel
ill be honest
wooden widget
Ty
daring marlin
Spellblock duration increase huge
sick sentinel
if you guys talk about some ability or some guy in a key i have no fucking idea who or what your talking about half the time till i look the guy or spell up on wow head
sick sentinel
and then like, i usually have to go to the mob the casts it and view his model and then i'll think its a guy that looks like that in one part of the dungeon but really hes in another part
cuz i have to seew the shit thats going on
cuz its like i'll be talking about a key , or show a death recap or 1 minute clip and immediately its like "well you didn't move out of the blazing fire"
and then im left to figure out wtf that even is and who casted it.
wooden widget
The key is running something high enough
And then you’ll know
Cuz you’ll hit the floor and immediately check recap
restive scroll
Yes, that's incremental difficulty there.
A middle ground is to log and look at the "mechanics" tab in warcraft log, which is pretty great
sick sentinel
i'll probably get frustrated and stop before or immediately after that point
crude notch
just become a crackhead with anxiety who needs to know every name of every npc in a dungeon and every ability or you'll feel like you're a worthless sack of shit.
restive scroll
just become a crackhead with anxiety who needs to know every name of every npc i...
I concur.
I'm therefore still a worthless sack of shit.
It's been a few weeks already, imagine that!
crude notch
having beta was such a godsend for me and tanking keys this expansion. i usually skip tanking the first season of an expansion because i need to still learn things, but on beta everyone was learning things at the same time and you were just cracked so it was fine.
restive scroll
Should still be the case now, but people are not always understanding
crude notch
now is too late, i don't care what others say, most of my pressure is self brought on.
daring marlin
having beta was such a godsend for me and tanking keys this expansion. i usually...
Just learn it when it launches first week like a normal person tsh psh
crude notch
no thank you
sick sentinel
no thank you
this tbh, only need 2k io for the mount no need to get sweaty
craggy pilot
yo, how do you guys handle the last island on Freehold?
like idk maybe i should not do pull 20 and 21?
and pull 18 is always super weird, like do i have to pull it back to the bridge to avoid the pat?
forest fern
no, dps cooldowns hopefully, pound it into the ground before the pat returns
fight on the bridge and someone is likely dying
forest fern
i guess alternate, i know no one like hearing the "C" word...but crowd control the swirly mob (forget the name) and then pull onto bridge
toxic pewter
I usually just fight 1st pack as I watch pat, as pat goes away I chain 1st pack into 2nd pack. By time pat comes back, the mobs are usually weak/almost dead then I kill pat
craggy pilot
also on 3rd boss, how do i not get the giant? i feel like he chains with the grp everytime i try to walk there
craggy pilot
I usually just fight 1st pack as I watch pat, as pat goes away I chain 1st pack ...
im gonna try to do the first 2 alone to make it super safe tbh
toxic pewter
Yeah there is no shame in killing first 2 alone tbh
craggy pilot
theres a shit ton of important kicks in those packs anyway
toxic pewter
its safer and often goes better tbh
toxic pewter
yah just killing them making that entire area much safer
limpid anchor
yo, how do you guys handle the last island on Freehold?
I skip all packs and pull the last one on the boss if possible. The packs there suck
craggy pilot
I skip all packs and pull the last one on the boss if possible. The packs there ...
stealth skip?
toxic pewter
pulling last pack with boss seems awful for pug imo
I only pug and I dont see myself doing that
limpid anchor
It’s fine when you have lust
craggy pilot
on boss 1, when i get to the pack that spwans him, this patrol is ALWAYS on top of it... is it a rough pack to double pull or can i do pat+pack just fine?
limpid anchor
But depends on the affixes
craggy pilot
the pack is hella fucked because of the bellow x2 though
limpid anchor
Only matters if we have bursting / bolster
At least in a 20-22 range
I’m higher keys idk
craggy pilot
whatever my % is 100.5 without the patrol so imma roll like i was doing prev 😄
and just wait for the pat to leave
toxic pewter
i dont pull that pat personally
craggy pilot
which one?
limpid anchor
The patrol ?
craggy pilot
oh ye
limpid anchor
You can pull that pack while doing pull 2
That way you don’t have to wait for the patrol
sick sentinel
TBH, i attempted to run 13 uldaman last night and it was really really grossly bad
it was like, the worst run ever concievable
stuck terrace
hey guys, how to deal with the wardens in nel? That blazing slash hurts.
limpid anchor
hey guys, how to deal with the wardens in nel? That blazing slash hurts.
You can run away or use spell block
bleak fern
do we use shield slam on aoe with 4 set active?
stuck terrace
can you out of range it?
limpid anchor
Now after the spell block buff on reset you can tank 3 slashes
limpid anchor
can you out of range it?
Yea
limpid anchor
do we use shield slam on aoe with 4 set active?
We use it on aoe even without 4 set active :>
sick sentinel
i out healed the healer in overall
oblique kayak
i out healed the healer in overall
that’s not rare for me and i run mostly 19-21
sick sentinel
well, something didn't feel right at all
the entire key everyones going low, im going low peole are dying, and i checked the existing route i had before and after pulling it, then just now looking only weekly routes says to do the same pull we first wiped on
second boss or first, its literal like, 1% and 1 guy alive
then after it was alreadywent to crap and brain is completely shut off couldn't work out the mechanic on pull 13
sick sentinel
something there happens and i get stunned or snared or something and then the dude puts a giant circle on me and i go boom cuz i cant run out of it
rogue yelling at me to LOS, los what? i don't see on mdt mob abilities something about a stun or snare
steel crystal
does heroic throw break affilicted?
steel crystal
thats what i thought
warm plinth
Like half the classes have nothing for this affix
daring marlin
It's a good thing one person can solo it and it's not a big deal whatsoever.
warm plinth
War, hunt, rogue, dh, lock, dk
steel crystal
yeah...
sick sentinel
i think the only one of those we had in the group i was talking about was a rogue
steel crystal
yeah because people are telling me that heroic throw can break afflicted and im like i dont think so
daring marlin
I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not
? Why would it be sarcasm.
It's not difficult.
warm plinth
But no, that's Incorporeal. Not afflicted
steel crystal
yeah
daring marlin
Gotta depend on your team in a team environment.
steel crystal
unless they give warrior aoe healing idk
warm plinth
The cast is 10 seconds. To dispel both you have to basically be able to cleanse one instantly and then be ready to dispel the other in 8 seconds with 2 seconds of leeway either way.
marble cipher
Just take a hybrid with you on top of a healer and you're gucci
If you 'need' an extra
Or resto shaman with poison totem
astral crystal
i mean it's generally better for two people to be on alert
than just one
that's just common sense
marble cipher
Aye
warm plinth
Yeah let me just waste globals healing the affix instead of the party
Makes perfect sense
ionic flare
Curiosity on my part, helping a friend do talents for m+- why does the listed wowhead build not take Thunderlord?
marble cipher
The affix sucks, all of the new ones so far, imo.
But it is what it is
daring marlin
I suppose something like explosive was preferable.
warm plinth
Because it's bad to desync demo shout from cooldowns
steel crystal
yeah but give them time i would sau
daring marlin
I suppose something like explosive was preferable.
This is sarcasm, btw.
warm plinth
Idk I don't think afflicted is bad but expecting the healer to handle it by themselves is just stupid.
ionic flare
Because it's bad to desync demo shout from cooldowns
Gotcha, thanks!
steel crystal
idk why they made shattering throw get rid of incourple
sick sentinel
i think warrior should be able to attempt to remove enrage from nearby monsters when they hit beserker rage or challenging shout say
daring marlin
Who said just the healer? lmao
sick sentinel
50/50 chance it happens
marble cipher
Idk I don't think afflicted is bad but expecting the healer to handle it by them...
Too many pug monks and druids have felt the need to not do anything about it and claim it's a healer affix. Smh
daring marlin
Weird assumption to make.
warm plinth
You just said one person can do both "it's not difficult" and then said they should dispel one and heal the other...
They have like 200k hp am I gonna flash heal them to full 40k at a time or?
marble cipher
They 'can'
Doesn't mean it can't be made absolutely trivial with others helping out
I run with priest, evoker, ret
All help out, or the healer says over voice that he'll take both/one.
Obv fixed party, in pugs....
Well, that's always a surprise 
daring marlin
They have like 200k hp am I gonna flash heal them to full 40k at a time or?
You're actually complaining about healing it from a prot paladin perspective?
just fucking wog it
warm plinth
I was not aware paladins had flash heal. I was speaking from a dps perspective.
And you need holy power for your defensive too so uh
In the case of ppal
marble cipher
Cleanse 🤷♂️
daring marlin
Oh no, I misread what you said. I was going off knowledge that you're playing prot paladin.
warm plinth
Wog doesn't full heal it either
Yes...I'm aware of cleanse. He's talking about one person doing both... otherwise I wouldn't even be involved in this conversation.
marble cipher
Fair.
Again, theoretically it's totally fine to say 'one guy can do both'.
In practice though, there's no reason for any hybrid class not to help out. And I hate pugs that keep saying it's not their job, and then complain about the healer when one goes off....
warm plinth
Ngl I'd probably leave on the spot if someone with a dispel said the affix wasn't their job
sick sentinel
Too many pug monks and druids have felt the need to not do anything about it and...
we also had a monk in our group but i cant remember the other guy
marble cipher
Yeah, I actually did. Mid Underrot 20. Both monk and s-priest said it's not their job, but the healers'
sick sentinel
i want to say the other guy was a warlock
marble cipher
Just left the group right then and there
warm plinth
Yeah fuck that lol. Good on you for leaving
marble cipher
Lock can't help afflicted though
sick sentinel
i deleted everying about that run
warm plinth
Yeah only got priest and monk there
marble cipher
Lock is pro for incorp, but can't help afflicted
warm plinth
Uh
marble cipher
Uldaman?
sick sentinel
yes
warm plinth
Tank shouldn't need to los it?
sick sentinel
stone fuckers stone fucked me
warm plinth
Were you standing in the stone pool?
marble cipher
First stone dude hits hard, can't los.
Next stone dudes you can los the aoe
But you don't need to, as a tank
sick sentinel
i had no choice, they stunned me in it couldnt move i think
warm plinth
The one guy does fissure slam and each one drops a puddle on the ground
marble cipher
Just don't stand in the debris, indeed
sick sentinel
well, way i recall it is something in that pack stuns me then there is a giant circle, im tunred to stone and i cant run out and i get 1 shot and die
marble cipher
Curse on you
That turns you into stone
I think
Since it's called Curse of Stone
sick sentinel
so, like, i have to reflect if if i don't have a de-curse?
sick sentinel
i mean, IF thats even whgat i can do, oh thank god it isn't cast protected
ethank jesus heavenly lord
warm plinth
Yeah that's a kick
marble cipher
Nah, regular cast
warm plinth
Honestly didn't even know it could target the tank
marble cipher
Don't think it can, but, it seemed to target yogi 😆
marble cipher
Oh, and Tigers Lust and Freedom work on it too. As does Avatar
As it's a 'slowing' curse that stuns you after X
But, please never hold Avatar for something like that 'just in case'
sick sentinel
i know mage, but druid also i think and monk maybe?
if i just want someone to remove the curse
warm plinth
Shaman druid or mage
sick sentinel
i thoought monks could also
marble cipher
Apart from last boss Neltharus, there are no unavoidable curses anyway. So it's fine
And that curse has been nerfed anyway
sick sentinel
oh, i guess your right then,
so, its: if we don't kick the curse, we have to dispell it (if we have someone who can) and if we cant or don't: suffer the consequences
marble cipher
As is every missed kick 
If you ever get a full on stun in a dungeon, something went wrong 🤷♂️
sick sentinel
bringing a mage next time
dull zodiac
wasnt our dps alrdy pretty good in keys?
sick sentinel
well
strong forum
In keys, kinda
But in raid we were quite behind
dull zodiac
ye i agree in raids i felt weak
strong forum
And as the pin explained, it's compensation for the bugfix
sick sentinel
so, our dps was fine, but then paladins got a huge buff, we got nerfed with the SC 20% buff
and now its back to a more normal
sick sentinel
shield charge, one of the nodes made it do 20% more dmg, but taht was applying to everything
sick sentinel
we are just getting back what we lost, + the spell block and thunder lords tuning
dull zodiac
thunder lord tuning seems nice right?
sick sentinel
still waiting to see what nome says to do take TL or spell block or what
dull zodiac
ill keep an eye on this disc 🙂
strong forum
TL still a meme
It might have some value on ultra keys on fort if you're struggling
But it's still a dps loss
And 99% of people don't even press Demo shout often enough, so they just waste an entire talent point
golden tartan
should i even bother recovering this?
disenchanted and then realized its my bis
xd
though only normal diff
primal crypt
is prot warrior viable
glacial flint
even then its baseline items
you get rings and necks and cloaks enough traded in m+
glacial flint
crit vers arent high value for most classes currently
haste / mastery are stats people wanting ^^
glacial flint
i am fury main ^^ i would only equipt it due to socket on 441 ^^
eeven then other classes would have higher interest in these like monks
amber siren
crit/vers ring sims higher than haste/mastery for me on fury rn at 441 ilvl
glacial flint
i dont plan on tanking anything over 18
so you play for 2 weeks your char KEKW
golden tartan
tanking is my last resort
xd
i just dps shit
when u look at my gear im pretty pimped out
xd
mental scarab
strong forum
That shield
strong forum
Mitigates like 3% dmg
strong forum
You might aswell not have SB up, cuz it doesn't do anything
proper roost
posting details of +16 keys here soon prob ig
daring marlin
Wog doesn't full heal it either
Heals it for 60%. Wish HotP wasn't so fucking tough to get.
garbage
I had to test that shit.
Worst part about afflicted is the dumb shit you need to do to see their nameplates. I turned that shit off. I'll just mouseover their model since it's huge.
Good thing they have a few seconds to show where they're spawning.
proper roost
just perma run with a resto shaman
having only done vault 20s on my warrior and various keys w prot pal on my resto shaman this week, this affix owns
free af
daring marlin
It certainly seems that way.
In the UR20 I just did for weekly vault I think I dispelled two.
the ret and MW or sham and MW got them all
literally
proper roost
cloudburst regularly heals for 700k+ and overheals often on my shit geared rsham, so like
there have frequently been times i just pop my cloudburst and it just insta tops both of them since it scales with rsham mastery too
daring marlin
I just kept up with kicks/disrupts mostly
braindead affix
makes sense considering they start at 0 lmao
giga healing
@crude notch
sudden palm
Nom I dunno if you've already been asked this but are you aware whether the tank dot on experiments is spell blockable?
jagged pier
Its not
sudden palm
But the tick on sarka's tank debuff is?
jagged pier
Yes
sudden palm
Thank you
jagged gust
So I haven't played since SL and haven't MT'd since BFA, is it normal to have 25 abilities hotkey'd? Shit feels very overwhelming rn
I think I could cut out maybe 5 lol
fresh igloo
off the top of my head, as a pve prot warrior you don't need slam, whirlwind, hamstring bound, you don't rend if you have the right talents
jagged pier
Umm no not really u press a lot pretty regularly
fresh igloo
it's a fairly high CPM play style
jagged pier
Well those i wasnt counting in my head yer u domt need slam ww hamstrint or rend
But some ppl do have hamstring and use it
Thats a preference
fresh igloo
this is what my bars look like atm
jagged pier
Everything else u use regularly in normal play
That bar looks about right
Keybunding spare for wrecking throw
fresh igloo
i have ava macro'd in to some things like a bad.
jagged pier
That is bad
jagged gust
I mean more like there's about 13 or so that get worked into rotation then the rest are reactionary to the situation
jagged pier
U have a spare binding
fresh igloo
just keepin' it on CD.
jagged pier
But what of u use it at the end of a pack 🤔
Or when u need to move away
Because u have it macro'd
fresh igloo
I'm usually going in to another pack already unless my healer yelled at me to give him a sec to drink haha
i DID call myself out on it at the start tho 😛
fresh igloo
it's my brain, not binding space. I was losing avas a lot when I had it separate
I'm an old man that just pushes to 20s with my friends 😉
jagged pier
Right so get a better tracker not just macro something we had this discussion with someone yesterday
And im old
fresh igloo
alright alright
jagged pier
I dont let ppl use my bindings because they are horrendous
fresh igloo
you've abused me enough i'll try and bind it separately again
fresh igloo
I dont let ppl use my bindings because they are horrendous
hahaha
jagged gust
How the hell do you have shift-0 bound?
fresh igloo
How the hell do you have shift-0 bound?
you mean, like, how do my fingers reach?
jagged pier
U can use ctrl bindings as well ash btw ctrl 1 pretty ez to hit
jagged pier
jagged gust
ahhh, yeah I was considering getting one for that reason
fresh igloo
U can use ctrl bindings as well ash btw ctrl 1 pretty ez to hit
yeah it's not that I need more binding room.
like I said it's my brain lol
jagged gust
aight well just making sure im not overthinking it, gonna spend the next week practicing on dummies I guess
cursive sparrow
Has the topic of GSE been brought up to minmax button space?
craggy pilot
how many stacks do we usually do on Experiments HC? 🤔
jagged pier
U should just clear when the debuff falls off the raid
latent pier
So, I fully intend to play prot again this season, but I'm a little bit out of the loop. Why did we fall out of favor?
craggy pilot
U should just clear when the debuff falls off the raid
pug paladin was waiting for 12 stacks to taunt
fresh igloo
aight well just making sure im not overthinking it, gonna spend the next week pr...
the really important core is making sure you maintain shield block, don't over cap on rage by using IP as needed, and then prio shield slam>TC>revenge. the rest is more just cooldowns you need to work in.
jagged pier
Then hes bad
jagged pier
But u should be able to do 2 it will hurt
craggy pilot
Then hes bad
ye thought so
fresh igloo
aight well just making sure im not overthinking it, gonna spend the next week pr...
so focus on those pieces first if you're feeling overwhelmed
craggy pilot
hes 9/9 HC tho and im 4/9 so idk
craggy pilot
But u should be able to do 2 it will hurt
2?
fresh igloo
anyone can get carried to AOTC.
craggy pilot
anyone can get carried to AOTC.
i feel this raid is kinda tank heavy
fresh igloo
ANYONE.
jagged pier
So, I fully intend to play prot again this season, but I'm a little bit out of t...
Paladin was always better ppl just slept on them then they started to realise it was better then it got buffs
fresh igloo
I've seen it. lol
craggy pilot
Experiments, Zskarn, Rashok, Neltharion, Sarkareth are very tank heavy
jagged pier
i feel this raid is kinda tank heavy
No there are 2 tank fights experiments and zskarn aftdr that theres lioe no tank damage
jagged gust
oh yeah for sure, I had a hard time keeping IP/SB up so I grabbed a couple weakauras and slapped them dead centre so i cant miss them. But I was playing a super basic rotation up until now, trying to get up to snuff so I dont wind up letting a group down
fresh igloo
oh yeah for sure, I had a hard time keeping IP/SB up so I grabbed a couple weaka...
yeah gotta practice it so it sinks in.
fresh igloo
oh yeah for sure, I had a hard time keeping IP/SB up so I grabbed a couple weaka...
re-posting in case it helps:
Common mistakes of prot warriors:
- Under use of shield slam
- Over use of thunderclap (AKA when SS was available)
- Getting hit in the back
- Not maintaining Shield Block
- Not using outburst primarily on shield slam
- Not using something based on the pinned talent builds
- Not using impending victory often enough
- Not sending Shield Wall despite it being a very short CD
- Not using spell reflect often enough as raw magic mitigation
- Over use of Ignore Pain
- Sitting in defensive stance all the time for no reason
craggy pilot
No there are 2 tank fights experiments and zskarn aftdr that theres lioe no tank...
nah but heavy heavy tank movement is what i meant
and if tank fucks up positioning its a wipe
on Sarkareth frontal fx
jagged pier
Thats fine
U turn the boss around
Thats not heavy movement thats something u should do
As bosses parry
Rashok literally does nothing unless u dont kmow how the tank mechanic works
craggy pilot
yea i know its something i should do, i just mean its not "easy" to get carried to AOTC as tank 😄
craggy pilot
Rashok literally does nothing unless u dont kmow how the tank mechanic works
ye Rashok just fucking slaps you
holy shit that dmg man
fresh igloo
yea i know its something i should do, i just mean its not "easy" to get carried ...
i didn't say it was easy. a bunch of us have suffered through it.
i'm just saying it DOES happen all the time.
craggy pilot
ye sure 🤣
im surprised with how people dont know the tank mechanics
this paladin wanted us to boss swap on Amalgamation Chamber
in HC
fresh igloo
just like someone can get carried to a higher M+ score and then pug in to a key and be clueless about mechanics.
craggy pilot
while he is 9/9
fresh igloo
this paladin wanted us to boss swap on Amalgamation Chamber
i heard that's a thing some people do.
I don't understand the benefit though.
fresh igloo
it seems risky and error prone for... I dunno. making it so the rest of the raid doesn't have to swap sides?
craggy pilot
it seems risky and error prone for... I dunno. making it so the rest of the raid...
i guess its because people dont think tanks can survive 20 stacks
fresh igloo
seems like your DPS would have to be really low and your healers pretty strong for that to make sense, but I haven't looked in to it carefully.
craggy pilot
ye dont the bosses explode in massive AOE in HC when they get close to each other?
i guess youre swapping on high stacks
and when near they do 200% extra dmg
so all the high stacks do 3x the dmg
jagged gust
re-posting in case it helps:
Common mistakes of prot warriors:
* Under use of ...
Appreciate it, think I have most that down, basically spam SS because the math doesn't lie on how good it is, cast IP when rage capped, get SB rolling then let it stack up again while covering the downtime with Shield wall. It's just the extra pinned talents you mentioned where I need practice
fresh igloo
Appreciate it, think I have most that down, basically spam SS because the math d...
the pinned talent builds here are excellent and absolutely where you should start.
empty inlet
There shouldn’t be downtime in shield block
fresh igloo
some quick notes that might help with cooldown management:
thunderous roar is a great opener CD for snap AoE threate
demo shout is a damage booster that pairs well with shield charge
fresh igloo
There shouldn’t be downtime in shield block
@jagged gust also this is true. SB should be up any time you take a melee hit.
if you're using the talents you get more SB from shield charge, and more from last stand.
you can stack SB up to 24 seconds (?) at a time, but you don't need to burn all those charges at once.
jagged gust
oh see thats where some of my early mistakes were, ive been practicing on a leveling build so I dont have the framework for how buffs are maintained in a raiding capacity
Rebuilt my talents by now but its a curve
empty inlet
But if you are having trouble with shield block you need heavy repercussion or bolster talents but with the new their set you 100% play bolster
sterile mirage
If your having trouble keeping shield block up you can try tying it to Shield Slam with a macro, since it’s off the GCD. There are maybe. A few situations where you’d want the rage for something else, but high Shield Block uptime trumps a lot of that.
fresh igloo
If your having trouble keeping shield block up you can try tying it to Shield Sl...
other way around, tho. have shield slam, but also have a shield block macro that shield slams.
if you just ALWAYS SB when you SS there's a good chance of losing duration.
spring ermine
Is it normal that literally every healer that I meet in M+ just logs grey? Does prot just absorb/heal that much dmg? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1aYKJTZAhnLp89Ct#fight=21&view=rankings&playermetric=hps
Grey compared to key level that is
jagged pier
Parses in keys literally mean nothing
spring ermine
Damage sure does
jagged pier
And literally only the healer died once i did see an issue
He was also overhealing by like twice the amount he actually healed
And everyone took like no damage
So of course his healing pass would be low
If theres nothing the heal
It wont be a high number
spring ermine
Check all of these keys
Healer logging grey in all cases
No matter which healer or which dungeon. I guess it is related to prot warr self heal and absorb.
There are even some 0 % logs in there kek
jagged pier
Yer its all about group play if ppl inturpt and stuff theres no damage to heal parses dont take into acount overhealing so your not actually seeing what they are healing
Like the preist was doing 63k
Hps
The monk in underrot 73k
If u inculde overhealing which is just healing going no where
Well i guess if they have rashok trinket u do overheal for the buff
drifting pecan
What’s a good number of last stand usage in a m+ and shield slam%? An average one I mean
sterile mirage
other way around, tho. have shield slam, but also have a shield block macro that...
Agreed, I've macro'd Shield Slam to both Ignore Pain and Shield Block as well, while SB is on my SS to help ensure uptime, while the other two are to get the extension on SB and make sure I don't miss procs.
jagged pier
What’s a good number of last stand usage in a m+ and shield slam%? An average on...
not really things we look at
good use of LSs probably around 1 every 1:10-1:30 mins
good use of SSs like 14CPM on an entire log
active time nearer 20 CPM
vestal moat
shield block
jagged pier
well if he ment shield block uptime% we dont care about that
only blocked hits
and thats 90% at least
split pendant
I know I’m late to this conversation but as a scrub (normal-heroic) healer main I only ever check my dps numbers on logs and consider hps numbers literally meaningless
brave jungle
Can I see anywhere a list of when I want to use Intervene or Spell Block in m+ season 2? 😄
sick sentinel
i need to get these shoulders now, for obvious reasons, more of a dk thing but it fits
unreal arrow
anybody know how to get fiery and frosty souls for the shadowflame belt?
limpid anchor
sick sentinel
anybody know how to get fiery and frosty souls for the shadowflame belt?
yes, you have to find special elite monsters and kill them, however, you must do it with dots, because they have to die while you channel the beam
it can be a bit tricky, especially on the rock dudes or anyones that do CC, but the pattern is to get them below 30% and have all your bleeds going and stuff dmg increase
limpid anchor
yes, you have to find special elite monsters and kill them, however, you must do...
That’s wrong
uncut thunder
Yeah took me quite a few attempts
sick sentinel
you have to have an "empty soul cage" item in your bags to obtain one, when you do get the item, whatever you do don't click it until it says "docile"
i farmed a bunch of them out the other day so.... what......
cuz it took way more than 1 mob per on some tries
limpid anchor
Last time I did it the mob got a debuff during which it had to die
Before that change it had to die during the beam
sick sentinel
it could have been i ran out of soul cages, but there was some water dudes in azure span that were being a pain to get captured and the earth guys werent super easy as well
well, i'm saying like, on those water guys, i had to try like at least 5 times, and it felt like it had to die as it was channeling or immeadiately after
i did this probably about less than 2 weeks ago anyway
hazy bronze
They changed it in 10.0
7 to be significantly less annoying. You have to complete the channel and it gives the mob a debuff
sick sentinel
footage not found
craggy pilot
is the Shadowflame Wreathe enchant good for M+?
fuckin hell the game really wants me to play pink
now i have Anvil + Forgestorm on paladin :<
hushed cobalt
Hammering the anvil is 🤌
sick sentinel
im less and less tempted to play when gaming keeps tempting me buy wow tokens cuz reason bleh
ebon wren
that's a paladin
daring marlin
7% from anvil, 3% from forgestorm, 8% from ring
That's it? Is that a whole dungeon?
cursive sparrow
What are considered commendable uptimes on IP and SB?
torn gulch
100% SB
crude notch
tthis overall dmg jesus christ
Jesus Christ? Are you shocked by borrowed power?
Almost every tank right now is hard carried by borrowed power in damage. That's why an 8% buff to BDK abilities only equates to an actual 4% damage increase.
craggy pilot
That's it? Is that a whole dungeon?
that was an 11 freehold yes 🤣
craggy pilot
Jesus Christ? Are you shocked by borrowed power?
Almost every tank right now is...
yea its pretty sad tbh 🤣
restive scroll
idk, my dps keep dying in it
crude notch
It's pretty much been that way for tanks since like ever though. Vengeance era probably being the only time tank DPS wasn't reliant on bp. But y'know vengeance.
restive scroll
Thankfully the timer is a bit easy
sick sentinel
what ndo people die to in freehold
daring marlin
that was an 11 freehold yes 🤣
Gotta get a beacon. SEE THE WORLD.
sick sentinel
how about no
craggy pilot
Gotta get a beacon. SEE THE WORLD.
im not at HC Sark yet
and havent seen it on normal yet
restive scroll
Pugs on sark hc are making me wait for it to appear in my vault.
I only did the curve, and that's enough
crude notch
Was gonna say even a normal one is strongest trinket in the game rn
craggy pilot
oh i didnt clear Normal Sark this week i think
i could try it out 🤣
maybe my Pala will be even more blessed
Anvil + BAcon
sick sentinel
there needs to be a bigger reason to do 20s that isn't portal to do the dungeon
craggy pilot
there needs to be a bigger reason to do 20s that isn't portal to do the dungeon
score and portal isnt enough for you?
restive scroll
447 gear?
sick sentinel
well, it could be another, 4 years, until your teleport to karazhan become relevant again
restive scroll
Fun too, actually.
At least, that's my kind of fun
daring marlin
Overcoming challenges is fun.
sick sentinel
i say i'll beat the game on hard mode, leave on on hard mode till i get my ass beat and switch it to normal and then once i beat normal i beat it and im done with said game
then, never ever play the game again, or not for like at least 10 years probably
restive scroll
Depends on people.
I also like dark souls without items nor armor and slow weapons
Just a matter of doing what you enjoy
vital arch
there needs to be a bigger reason to do 20s that isn't portal to do the dungeon
wait you get a portal??
crude notch
Yes
latent steppe
actually having so much fun with Sonic Boom and Rumbling Earth. This is from +21 Uldaman btw.
latent steppe
actually having so much fun with Sonic Boom and Rumbling Earth. This is from +21...
finished the dg with 68k overall kekw
crude notch
That's it?
latent steppe
That revenge damage looking pretty sussy leored
you mean good or bad
daring marlin
wait you get a portal??
completing a dungeon on 20 gives you a port to the dungeon, yes
paper garden
completing a dungeon on 20 gives you a port to the dungeon, yes
have to time it though.
daring marlin
I facepalmed and just ignored it
rustic shadow
Anyone know off-hand is spell block works for stacking dot on experiments? I assume no...
daring marlin
It does not
rustic shadow
Ty
daring marlin
I love that call of the ancients actually slaps in D4
tired girder
On the frog boss when adds spawn who's responsability to bring them to the boss circle?
daring marlin
whoever is targeted
proud patrol
hey guys, when im wearing 2xshadowflame, i have to craft normal neck because i cant wear lariat right?
proud patrol
thanks!
lusty grotto
well nimchipadin is upgraded, now i have to fucking no-life farm Wyrms - which means i aint gonna
vestal moat
What are the best embellishments or craft pieces if I want to play fury or arms as well and want a middle ground ? Thinking wrists and frost fire belt ?
lusty grotto
boots also instead of wrists
in case you want BR wrists or something
but yeah both choices are good
vestal moat
Regular boots with shadow flame you mean ?
lusty grotto
primal molten yea
primal molten is the ones you want for shadowflame
what wrists were you thinking of?
lusty grotto
yeah my loot luck on nimchipadin is ridiculous as well
craggy pilot
Forgestorm + Anvil + Mark of Dargrul now also
sick sentinel
this is why i don't play same armor alts
cuz i eventually get fed up with not get the gear i want on other guy
proud patrol
Are you guys goin crit haste or crit vers on your necks? looking at "higher" keys, aiming 22/23
proud patrol
yea
lusty grotto
doesnt really matter you can just replace em
proud patrol
guess you're right
lusty grotto
haste crit until the damage is too much basically
proud patrol
makes sense, ty
foggy drift
How is prot Gonna look after buffs ?
sick sentinel
right behind paladin i figure "cuz paladin has utility"
crude notch
How is prot Gonna look after buffs ?
first pin gotcha covered
undone verge
you cant block while channeling beacon right?
toxic pewter
Correct you cannot
proud patrol
For Spell Block - im using in in Lair, Neltharus and Uldaman (tyrannical), any dungeon im missing where its big?
proper roost
can you block/avoid while casting anvil? the cast time is so short, it's kinda hard to tell
especially since it has weird rules for itself, being off gcd/mid gcd usable
🤔
sick sentinel
i doubt it? cuz like, you cant if you do say, bola bombs shadowland engineering and also cow stomp racials are the 2 most prominent examples that come to mind.
i don't know how long the cast for anvil is, but if its 0.5 or less seconds your probably good, 1 second and longer is cringe
sick sentinel
yeah, thats not very bad then, same as cow stomp time to cast
proper roost
it's a 0.5 unaffected by haste casttime
sick sentinel
what i mean with 1 second and up cast timers as protwarrior, is just as you stated before, you don't block.
so then you really have to pick your times to use said thing
proper roost
and it's somewhat "good" (really minor) to use the onuse in an aoe pack, which is going to make the question of whether you can avoid during it much more important
toxic pewter
Even war stomp I’m pretty sure can’t block
crude notch
He literally just said you can't
toxic pewter
Oh right
sick sentinel
yah, but at 0.5, the window is alot more narrow and you can fit it in most scenarios without worrying about if it will kill you.
crude notch
Man beacon cast ain't killing you
toxic pewter
For Spell Block - im using in in Lair, Neltharus and Uldaman (tyrannical), any d...
What are you spell blocking in lair that you wouldn’t reflect instead?
toxic pewter
Oh I just wall that
proud patrol
the big bois and second molten crash
proud patrol
the frontal from adds, dunno what its called
toxic pewter
Oh.. yeah I don’t run block in lair
proper roost
that is a really bad take of what to use spell block for
toxic pewter
If I had to pick 3rd dungeon I guess it would be HoI
deft raptor
anyone had issues with rotbound mobs after tree boss brackenhide pulling for no reason? my group just went right side path skipped them, no pets no body pulling and twice those mobs pulled all the way upto the bridge before 3rd boss.
proper roost
i'm not even sure if any elaboration is needed!
proud patrol
the add frontal on fortified defo hurts
crude notch
obviously there is kanga, so stop being a dick
proper roost
The one where 80% of it is a bleed
sick sentinel
so these curse of stone dudes in uldaman, is it they cast it so many times and you get 5 stacks and your stone form, or is it, it gets applied and then over some amount of time in 10 seconds if its not dispelled you get stone formed
this is both times assuming we didn't kick
proper roost
Where you can use wall or other overlap cds because the hulks are spaced really far apart
?
that one?
and they only piercing shards every ~30seconds at most
proper roost
So don't pull the patting one right away?
proud patrol
i mean yea, but thats not a pugging strat 😄
proper roost
How is it not, you can drag half the mobs
sick sentinel
i gotta figure out how those curse of stone guys work if i want to attempt ulda again before weekly reset
proper roost
The pelters move to you for the first ~4 seconds of their activation
proud patrol
i dont think you could get the pelters, maybe the one to the right and the pack with the toteam dude
proper roost
in fact you can even just worldmarker in the lower section and force the breaker double pelter pack to come down if you're that afraid of pulling the pat right away
Assuming the pat is even in the position to be instapulled
You can
Ok well two things
proud patrol
wouldnt they walk past the pat in most cases?
proud patrol
y makes sense, ty
crude notch
stop being weird it's not a bleed
proper roost
it's an undispellable dot idc what damage it is
crude notch
🙂
proper roost
not undwarfable Sighdge
proud patrol
its 10 sec nature damage according to mdt
daring marlin
crude notch
Well no the distinction is whether or not it can be removed by cauterizing flame because cauterizing flame cannot remove it because it's NOT a bleed.
sick sentinel
..... can it be removed at all? (besides immunity probably paladin)
then, if no, what are the options to deal with it or possible tricks to avoid getting hit by it - los maybe
crude notch
yes it can be dwarfed
sick sentinel
ah, so its a magic effect?
proud patrol
its nature damage, so yes i guess? but im not playing long enough to understand damage differences 😄
crude notch
so i assume only the initial damage is spell blockable then? that or the sheet is wrong
proud patrol
yea
toxic pewter
I think our baseline kit is good enough for that mob even if back to back
But I agree it can be a difficult mob
craggy pilot
Well no the distinction is whether or not it can be removed by cauterizing flame...
sometimes i can remove stuff not classified as bleed with my Dwarf Stoneform
i reckon its the same with Cauterize
crude notch
Well Dwarf Stoneform does more than dispel bleeds
dusky canopy
alright i think its time i submit to the @ cursor for ravager
anyone have one handy?
craggy pilot
Well Dwarf Stoneform does more than dispel bleeds
yea but i mean dots that are listed as nothing
crude notch
/cast [@cursor] Ravager```
You're welcome donate to my patreonnot bleed, curse, disease etc
dusky canopy
bro yall got that fancy disc chat tech
i dont know how to do any of that shit
except italic
LOL
hazy bronze
Two * do italics as well
lusty grotto
the quote mark left of #1
crude notch
wait until he finds out how to type in
+green
~ is tilde
The otherone is backquote
nerd
Ligma
This is the superior version because it doesn't draw a bar all the way across the screen.
warm plinth
I have no idea what you're talking about.
crude notch
- You can also write in red
Isn't markdown fun
sick sentinel
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- You can also write in red
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My god, what are you doing?
dusky canopy
dude im to boomer for this shit
id have to have note pad
in order to remember all this
XD
warm plinth
