That’d be like 10% uptime or something if you pressed it every time it’s up
#protection
chilly brook
proper roost
a 10s/1min spell block would be extremely powerful lol
waxen frigate
Big buffs it looks like
chilly brook
a 10s/1min spell block would be extremely powerful lol
Like I said, like a 10% uptime
At most
flint marsh
what do you guys typically drop to pick up spell block in keys?
urban bane
tlord buff kinda ass tho
prisma crane
well sure, because then content would adjust, but that would involve fundamental changes to some other classes
chilly brook
Because you likely wouldn’t press it every minute on the dot
proper roost
its not rly about the uptime its just that reducing duration and cd in equal amounts makes defensive cds way stronger generally
strong forum
what do you guys typically drop to pick up spell block in keys?
bloodsurge
oak ivy
why we hatin on tlord 
urban bane
better talents
chilly brook
its not rly about the uptime its just that reducing duration and cd in equal amo...
I mean I’d be fine with it being 6-8 seconds at a 1m CD
urban bane
yea
chilly brook
I generally don’t care
oak ivy
cant afford it
wait what does your tree look like
chilly brook
It’s just good to have it available more often at less duration
astral crystal
put spell block on anger management 
strong forum
wait what does your tree look like
pins
mighty valley
depends on content, remember 1st boss rlp? spell block lasting a whole phase would've been real comfy
astral crystal
big profits 
chilly brook
I just don’t particularly think it matters much if it’s 10 seconds or 6 seconds
chrome falcon
spell block at 30 second duration is basically irrelevant in raid
outside of rashok specifically
where it's nuts
chilly brook
@waxen frigate you’ll be happy
waxen frigate
I just don’t particularly think it matters much if it’s 10 seconds or 6 seconds
10 and 6 are very far apart relatively speaking
chilly brook
strong forum
spell block at 30 second duration is basically irrelevant in raid
sarkareth
waxen frigate
I’m happy ish
strong forum
on sark its mega nuts
chilly brook
10 and 6 are very far apart relatively speaking
In practice, I don’t think it matters much
oak ivy
ah. I may be an ape.
waxen frigate
Gotta play ChP in raid now which is cringe imo but at least we got compensation for WoO
chrome falcon
you can spellblock entire dot windows now
does that help? 
why does that help
chilly brook
I don’t know of many spots in the game where you’d notice 10 seconds over 6 seconds
oak ivy
I drop battering ram and bloodsurge for tlord and spell block
chilly brook
Currently
prisma crane
i know, make it so that dots that are applied while spell block is up are themselves reduced by our block value, boom
strong forum
"why does blocking a 30sec dot help on a boss where every tank buster applys a 20-30sec dot?"
chilly brook
Usually it’s the specific big busters you’re trying to block which aren’t going to happen back to back in 10 seconds
Much less 6
chrome falcon
"why does blocking a 30sec dot help on a boss where every tank buster applys a 2...
literally yes why does that help
i thought blizz made it so you can't block dots
strong forum
cuz you can block the dot
chrome falcon
what am i missing
oak ivy
O_o
strong forum
otherwise pwar wouldnt be able to kill the boss on mythic
chrome falcon
i thought you couldn't block dots
strong forum
YES
chilly brook
i thought you couldn't block dots
Some you can
chrome falcon
or is it literally just sark where it works
strong forum
BUT SARK YOU CAN
chrome falcon
sir i will not be patronisingly all caps'd
prisma crane
and let bleeds be affected by armor
chrome falcon
but yeah that's huge
oak ivy
otherwise pwar wouldnt be able to kill the boss on mythic
idk if theres a reason this wouldnt work in mythic but we just send our tanks down into the dimension thingy to explode their dot cuz bdk vdh 
chrome falcon
i assume you just kill your raid every time you get the dot in p1 otherwise
chrome falcon
idk if theres a reason this wouldnt work in mythic but we just send our tanks do...
you have to do that on HC as well
strong forum
idk if theres a reason this wouldnt work in mythic but we just send our tanks do...
it still ticks for a good chunk of dmg you dont wanna take
oak ivy
it still ticks for a good chunk of dmg you dont wanna take
fair enough
strong forum
and on HC you only need to go down in p3
oak ivy
you have to do that on HC as well
there's where we're doin it .3.
normal im p sure the raid could just live
chrome falcon
ya in normal we didn't even notice the mechanic
then we killed our whole raid on HC
sick sentinel
auto attack damge 10% fuck ya
waxen frigate
Apparently they fixed our BDB bug which I’m way more hype about
proper roost
Someone in here has a high io brm alt right? Is the brm buff back to pre WoO fix dps, or worse?
strong forum
i did tell em
pallid quiver
can't fix what ain't broke
oak ivy
then we killed our whole raid on HC <:keks:936231610850897992>
not noticing how much more the p3 dot trucks was probably our biggest road block to aotc cuz we kept exploding and i said it was the fuckin tank swap and no one believed me cuz they thought void blast was a bomb -_- (i fury raid so i couldnt just fix it myself)
waxen frigate
Someone in here has a high io brm alt right? Is the brm buff back to pre WoO fix...
I’m a brew main. Not pushing this tier but 99 parse avg in raids.
This probably doesn’t completely put us back where we were, but it’s significant especially in ST/low cleave
chrome falcon
we have a range bug too? we need a pin with all these bugs good lord
what's the range bug
proper roost
ye didnt seem like it was high enough for full compensation
urban bane
Apparently they fixed our BDB bug which I’m way more hype about
whats bdb bug
strong forum
TC and demoshout are 2yd shorter range than tooltip says
proper roost
VDH still gonna run rampant smh
waxen frigate
It’s prob 5% or so. I lost 11% when we got nerfed in sims
proper roost
At least you actually need to be able to play VDH well to survive as it
waxen frigate
whats bdb bug
Would just refresh duration not extend when bountiful brew procced and it was already up
Now it allegedly extends again like it did in in SL
urban bane
oh thats nice
waxen frigate
Yeah it’s massive for raid
strong forum
make sure to talent into larger TC :kappa:
pallid quiver
still not us
sleek current
TC and demoshout are 2yd shorter range than tooltip says
Oh bollocks. It's Demo Shout as well! Absolutely rude. 😂 I was already annoyed about TC
sick sentinel
i might just keep on spell block forever now
warm plinth
These changes seem a bit heavy handed lol
oak ivy
ssshhh.. not enough..
sullen gust
8% feels juicy
stuck terrace
Rip and tear bois
oak ivy
so here's the question
hypothetically
if I were to take tlord instead of battering ram in M+ because I'm a coward and demo shout uptime makes me feel better
would I be ripped apart for it
lusty grotto
hmm 30s
so sexy
idk about thunderlord
could it align with avatar on every other demo now or still nah
thin phoenix
aa dmg is pretty nice. on my h echo kill, melee was 4th highest dmg at 6.5%
strong forum
its your game
lusty grotto
gotta do mafs
uneven mason
AA damage
"why isn't anyone taking thundrlord? Oh maybe it's the weaker version of an already neutered version of a previously great thing"
strong forum
with these buffs we're top contender again for dmg output
lusty grotto
well its not only that but
demo just doesnt align with avatar anymore with it
so i guess the question is
will it now
i guess it depends on the pull size
warm plinth
Does the spell block duration change even really enable anything this season?
lusty grotto
which will still mean it wont
plush tendon
Would’ve been sick last season
strong forum
Does the spell block duration change even really enable anything this season?
for sark it does alot
and neltharus
plush tendon
^ true
warm plinth
Gotcha
warm plinth
That's pretty good
pallid quiver
I wonder if community perception will change with these buffs or not
people are hilarious fickle and all
uneven mason
I wonder if community perception will change with these buffs or not
Yeah we'll get flamed again
strong forum
"i dont want to play prot war"
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
cant wait for nome to tell us how to change our talents again
better than yogi mspaint really
tropic gorge
Lol
balmy canyon
When do you suggest spell block be used on sark? On CD or for the tank hit?
proper roost
I wonder if community perception will change with these buffs or not
probably not, considering a really big pro of prot pally in pugs is that it handles all the affixes really well and is very tanky which is like really the main thing people care about
lusty grotto
(but people will still want you to go into the void for it)
proper roost
also, pugs deeply undervalue having a lot of stops (addendum: fury literally brings the same amount of stops as prot does, and does really good dps)
strong forum
pally still brings sac wog bop spellward
hazy bronze
Would TL need legion levels to be more worthwhile?
strong forum
and is decently tanky and has only slightly less dmg
pallid quiver
yeah, what nome's saying there for the actual utility
but on the downside, you have to be a paladin
crude notch
Where's pin damnit
proper roost
It's just "safer" in pugs to take a prot pally
but i anticipate getting invites a bit easier as prot warrior now for certain
pallid quiver
i think it's riskier due to all the fotm rerollers
lusty grotto
it doesnt matter for pugs because half the prot pallies dont even fucking use the utility
proper roost
it really isn't tbh
every player of any spec has pretty much equal potential to be shit in a pug
final mist
Most people don't use any of their utility, but that doesn't matter for community perception
X streamers said Y is good
lusty grotto
indeed
proper roost
for all the gamer MW I've had in a key (ok like literally 2) i've had far more dogshit ones that just facetank a spiteful and get oneshot
the whole "offmeta players are good" thing is giga copium
maiden ravine
As a healer I can't trust protadins. So many don't stand in consecrate
pallid quiver
when did i say offmeta players are good tho
final mist
I healed a prot Paladin about a week ago who barely cast SotR, interrupted one thing in an entire Underrot, and never once cast a healing or utility ability, and that guy will still get into groups easier than I would on my warrior due to pink name being better than brown name
That's just how it is
maiden ravine
On preservation my favorite tank is BrM personally, but I like the warriors I do see.
undone verge
offmeta players at like mid-high io are better than meta players at the same ranking imo. Like 2700-2800. Obviously theres exceptions but
toxic pewter
Osnap buffs nice
maiden ravine
Just when I was ready to shelve warrior for the season cause I've been enjoying bear and monk more.
undone verge
ive really been enjoying bdk, although it is annoying with boneshield and D&D
maiden ravine
I'm gonna have a hard time justifying any tank without at least a hard CC or cleanse if not both this season. Afflicted is so easy when the tank can handle it.
toxic pewter
We still prob won’t take thunderlord right
lusty grotto
not sure yet
undone verge
yeah, the new affixes don't feel very warrior friendly
pallid quiver
My personal experience is that fotm rerollers and meta players are shittier people
They've been roughly better players, probably, but I ain't about dealing with some tart who has a stick shoved so far up their ass I see it behind their eyes
undone verge
100%
most of the FotM rerollers would be better if they just stuck to a single tank even when its the worst
sick sentinel
whens that go live
maiden ravine
What hurts is they don't think bear needs anything before 10.1.5 haha
undone verge
bear's not a real tank
red otter
hey frens, I like pressing buttons (like alot of buttons) but I am hampered by the rage mechanic, any ideas for talents, builds gear or anything I can do to press as many buttons as I do as on my prot pally.
(Does not need to be optimal gameplay)
icy atlas
Make a macro named placebo and assign it to 1
pallid quiver
What do you mean by being hampered by the rage mechanic? Are you not generating enough rage?
pallid quiver
if so, that means you're just not pressing your buttons if you've got a working talent build
lusty grotto
kinda weird that you wouldnt have something to press on our class
go through what you normally do
warm plinth
My good sir we have basically the same APM as prot paladin
We're like one lower or something
red otter
uh press shield slam when its up and revenge and keep the ignore pain and shield block up
Pretty basic stuff
lusty grotto
uhh thunderclap?
red otter
That too
warm plinth
"Keep ignore pain up" is always a red flag
lusty grotto
yea
red otter
Its not meant to be up all the time?
lusty grotto
welcome customer #2 of the day
warm plinth
No
It will be up a lot naturally but you shouldn't be going out of your way to make sure it's up
lusty grotto
IP is a rage dump
over 80 rage? use it
going to hit 100 rage? use it before
you are bleeding rage if you dont do it correctly, hurting your AM, hurting your shit coming off cd sooner
red otter
Oh I considered it closer to be more like cons where you always want it up as a passive mitigation
lusty grotto
do you have any logs
red otter
no
lusty grotto
are you 70 on your warrior?
pallid quiver
Yeah, you'll have IP up extremely often, but it's not something you should majorly track; it's more expensive rage wise than Revenge because it doesn't reset Shield Slam
When we say use it as a rage dump, it sounds like you're not pressing it often, but you slam that button a lot, actually
red otter
I only ever have alot of rage if Im pulling 6-7 mobs at a time in my experiance
pallid quiver
That means you're doing your rotation improperly, since you should have a lot of rage in ST and should be absolutely drowning in rage if you have bloodsurge in high target counts
There's never an empty global in P War land unless you've made a mistake, as a heads up
lusty grotto
I only ever have alot of rage if Im pulling 6-7 mobs at a time in my experiance
that just means you arent using shield slam enough
hard to say without logs
pallid quiver
You may also be sending violent outburst on TC over SS
Read: Almost guaranteed to be
red otter
Sorry, I'm not familar with the acronyms
pallid quiver
TC Thunder Clap, SS Shield Slam, IP Ignore Pain
graceful kite
Would be cool to give us 1 extra point
dusky canopy
I know I’m late to this party but I just saw it
graceful kite
So we dont have tosacrifice stuff for spell block
strong forum
pretty sure every other tank is jealous of having that problem
that our tree is so good that 1 point has such large impact
meanwhile bear and bdk literally avoid half their tree like the plague
warm plinth
Meanwhile vdh has 4 talent points for their low cd mitigation and it's still trash
toxic pewter
Yah our spec tree is so damn tight
Just no conceivable way to take thunderlord even if I wanted it
austere sleet
Meanwhile vdh has 4 talent points for their low cd mitigation and it's still tra...
lmao this is so true
toxic pewter
Have a feeling it may line up better now since it’s back to how it used to be
dusky canopy
Maybe it’ll line up every other now
toxic pewter
Yeah it will never be prefect but may work as it was intentionally designed
lusty grotto
nah it still wont work like BFA
crude notch
meanwhile bear and bdk literally avoid half their tree like the plague
TRUEE
lusty grotto
since even with LS on a cdr with tier, both of them aren't lowered by AM like they did then
and youre still not tclapping every gcd with haste
what it will boil down to is how much of a total throughput it will do in whatever content
indirect throughput with BV that is
i also dont remember BFA TL having a cap
but its been a while
3 second max cdr
is what i mean
per target of course
chrome falcon
BFA didn't have TL at all did it?
lusty grotto
of course it did
chrome falcon
man DC was fucking cracked
toxic pewter
How much rage through a dungeon do we get from booming voice you think
strong forum
Nothing a log can't tell you
chrome falcon
check any log it'll be in there
toxic pewter
Ok
chrome falcon
oF cOurSe It DiD
no it hasn't been long enough
the more time we can put between ourselves and BFA
the better
lusty grotto
i guess
warm plinth
Yeah we ran one point of deafening crash purely for the extension
toxic pewter
Can we drop bloodsurge for the new thunderlord
toxic pewter
Seems in a bh bloodsurge gave me 1896 rage. Booming voice gave me 896
strong forum
TL is at best a 30% increase of that
toxic pewter
Ok does the defensiveness matter
chrome falcon
no
toxic pewter
Or dam output
chrome falcon
rage is more defensiveness
strong forum
It's less damage output
chrome falcon
and desynic demo shout is not going to give you more damage output even with more casts
strong forum
Cuz you lose ~1500 rage and you desync it from CDs
dusky canopy
Thunder lord would only be good if we could cast it twice in SCs 45 second cd
Otherwise no dice
I mean tbf there might be some math that’ll prove that wrong but
Generally that’s what I’d guess
strong forum
BTW if anyone ever says "but nextback uses thunderlords"
Tell em that he also uses Spellblock in freehold.
Just as a heads up
dusky canopy
toxic pewter
Wat is there even to block in there
south zealot
i remember codex
strong forum
Nothing
dusky canopy
Melee
final mist
BTW if anyone ever says "but nextback uses thunderlords"
Tell em that he also us...
well clearly theres a reason he uses it, you just dont understand
toxic pewter
Wild
strong forum
Also plays double wall
lusty grotto
i guess he misses the oiled blade reflects a lot lol
crude notch
Still better than 99% of us
dusky canopy
✌️
lusty grotto
dusky canopy
Catch ya on the flip side
brave jungle
The reset buff seems quite solid, doesn't it?
toxic pewter
I won’t lie better than I expected personally
crude notch
Anyway, gn8 been a long day
Damn you've been up what 30+ hours? Gn
strong forum
Nah I slept like 5hrs
1x 3h and 1x 2hrs
I'll make a pin rq
Pwar got huge buffs?!
Yes we got a substantial dmg buff as compensation for the Bugfix that came with 10.1.
Now we do the same dmg as we did in S1 pre-bugfix
The Spellblock buff is unexpected but understandable because you now have a better answer for Sarkareths dots (yes they're blockable)
And you can now block 3x Blazing Slash back to back instead of only 2
crude notch
You know who didn't get a buff for compensation.
strong forum
♿
knotty sparrow
They're also getting 8% though
knotty sparrow
Ok never mind 😂
strong forum
Meanwhile our buff was worth 6k+
crude notch
Yeah PWar and Monk the only ones that got anything worth speaking of
proper roost
BTW if anyone ever says "but nextback uses thunderlords"
Tell em that he also us...
stand in sea spout
spellblocked
🧠
crude notch
Better than you smelly Nome, he's one of 4 warriors in title range. : )
(for legal purposes, this was a joke)
strong forum
We will see alot more warriors in title range once Andy unzips pwar
dire sparrow
wish Zskarn dot was blockable, dreading M prog next week
strong forum
He's gonna make us meta again 😢
strong forum
wish Zskarn dot was blockable, dreading M prog next week
Yeah that boss is a bitch for us, literal nightmare
maiden ravine
You think we'll see protadin in the great push still or are there mechanics in the highest keys that one shot them first
slow spire
Yeah that boss is a bitch for us, literal nightmare
We're starting Rashok prog next week and I'm already dreading Zskarn prog. Likely bringing an alt to tank the fight unfortunately 😭
chilly brook
You think we'll see protadin in the great push still or are there mechanics in t...
I think you might see different tanks
but I could be wrong
toxic pewter
would be happy and excited to see different tanks
craggy pilot
is the Anvil still worth if i cannot keep it fully stacked for the entire dungeon?
like if it drops off 1-2 times
prisma crane
depends on what you have to replace it
craggy pilot
like in Neltharus fx it didnt seem possible to keep it up a bunch of places
toxic pewter
depends on what you have to replace it
I dont have one but still seems like a strong trinket even if that happens probably ok
prisma crane
yea
toxic pewter
just get it rolling again
dire sparrow
you could likely keep it at 5 stacks from 2nd boss hallway to 3rd boss
just need to kite the hunter up the staris
lusty grotto
its a great trinket, just not the best for keys/aoe
crude notch
We will see alot more warriors in title range once Andy unzips pwar
unzips. 😳
copper lava
He's hiding it
chilly brook
its a great trinket, just not the best for keys/aoe
I'd still run it just like I did with OWS
fuck my group
maiden ravine
Anvil is such a weird trinket. On the specs it's tied to a spell that cleaves, does it also proc in AOE?
copper lava
Also my annulet accounts for 15% of my damage in a dungeon
crude notch
heck mark it misses
maiden ravine
Can any tank replace annulet for damage?
dire sparrow
i think brew can, would need to read peak again
chilly brook
that's like the one thing I don't wanna do
go back and farm annulet
one of the big things keeping me from tanking lol
pallid quiver
i'll farm it for you for 5k
dire sparrow
if you have alts you dont play, it's very quick to get
with the diablo xp buff and timewalking on the 15th lvling characters is going to be insanely quick
pallid quiver
I understand his feeling, though. It's like the whole concept of the idea
prisma crane
yea annulet is super fast tbh
warm plinth
with the diablo xp buff and timewalking on the 15th lvling characters is going t...
will be making good progress on that; I took a week off 
crude notch
timewalk deez
pallid quiver
I'm not even sure if I've got anything I want to level
warm plinth
Help me level some of mine then
pallid quiver
I've got my lock, evoker, monk, dk all at 7-
i gotta rogue and shimmy sham
Yeah, I could be down for that, then
i just gotta reinstall wow since it got shot recently while troubleshooting
crude notch
I'd help you ghash but you're a quest enjoyer
I'm a sit in Brackenhide Hollow afk enjoyer 🙂
warm plinth
D:
chilly brook
yea annulet is super fast tbh
I mean I haven't had to interact with the system at all since devoker doesn't want it
so idk how to farm the gems/upgrade them
dire sparrow
you get 6 free keys on each 70 character iirc
you just mail them to the character you want the ring on
dire sparrow
you only needed enough for ~1 run to get the ring fully upgraded
copper lava
It takes 30 keys to open every door in the vault
chilly brook
you only needed enough for ~1 run to get the ring fully upgraded
I don't even know how many that is lol
hot moat
crude notch
TW BC is on the 20th as well.
maiden ravine
I'm trying to decide if I rather grind exalted Kirin Tor rep on a char or level a goblin to 70 to get the rainbow toy for 200k
small zinc
blazing slash is the neltharus trash destroyer right?
dire sparrow
yeah the wardens cast it
late wasp
Is there a secret to surviving the 2nd transition of mythic experiments or do you just shield wall, bore a hole into your ignore pain and pray that you get big healing when you hit 9+ infused strikes?
dire sparrow
anything over 7 is rough, what bosses are you tanking? and what spec is your co-tank?
gloomy hazel
Prot buffs POG
mint pike
is there a spreadsheet or something for notable spell-blockable abilities in keys?
dire sparrow
is there a spreadsheet or something for notable spell-blockable abilities in key...
in the pins
mint pike
I didnt scroll down enough, thank you!
proper roost
Is there a secret to surviving the 2nd transition of mythic experiments or do yo...
yes. both overlaps are the big healing/tank damage check (except obviously the first one isn't as bad because of the lust/guy keeps casting shit)
make sure cd is up, call for external so you have something kind of rolling the entire time
dire sparrow
you dont want to go into a breath with over 6 stacks
proper roost
and you get a mild reprieve when the 3rd guy starts breathing just have to use brain and meter externals a bit
late wasp
anything over 7 is rough, what bosses are you tanking? and what spec is your co-...
Prot pally co-tank, I'm picking up Rionthus
dire sparrow
you shouldnt
mint pike
holy shit this list is so detailed, SSense is a god
dire sparrow
he should
you pick up the 2nd boss when the 3rd spawns, he has much better tools to deal with a magic dot
late wasp
Chad have a slower swing time?
pallid quiver
sense is actually built different
dire sparrow
he stops swinging when he's casting
late wasp
fair point
dire sparrow
then in the last phase you can just let your pali tank Rio and you just taunt when you need to clear
late wasp
basically what I'm living on by the time 2nd boss is dead
managing my CD's, they're all gone by this point hah
dire sparrow
yeah experiments and Zskarn are our 2 workst fights this tier
need to manage the externals effectively
late wasp
And I just happen to make things harder on myself as we don't have a holy paladin for that sweet bacon healing
knotty venture
This is fixed on latest in raidbots now. Ping me next time damnit lol.
crude notch
@knotty venture Nome broke it
knotty venture
There may be other places it's still broken lol. I only fixed shadowflame patch.
knotty venture
he has a way more degen schedule than I do, and that is impressive
crude notch
He D4'd it like a crack fiend yesterday
He broke his sleep schedule so badly he fixed it.
crude notch
my duo called
daring marlin
I miss playing aatrox
undone verge
yo wait will this buff mean we can finally drop erranog ring and onyx?
probably wont outsim onyx sadly but maybe erranog ring
chilly brook
chill lmao
I just sent this from other characters lol
chilly brook
my devoker had like 42 cuz I farmed gear from the forbidden reach on him when I came back for 10.1
pallid quiver
it's like gambling except there's more disappointment and less flashy lights
chilly brook
Well more accurately when I finally had the time to devote to playing WoW more seriously than popping on for a key or something once every 4 weeks
chilly brook
lmfao wtf
pallid quiver
I'd just leave tbh
unkempt hatch
i probably will
chilly brook
ain't no way that's worth it
pallid quiver
especially since he should be out dps'ing you at the immediate moment
violet flume
how about subbing him for anothjer tank
chilly brook
Y I K E S
violet flume
that said you shouldnt be ripping aggro inadverandly from him even if he sucks 😛
unkempt hatch
other tank is RL GL
lusty grotto
lmao
undone verge
the temptation to ninja whisper him even tho he has no idea who I am
lusty grotto
that pally must suck something fierce
pallid quiver
Inform him that his penis is inversely related to the size of his massively overinflated ego
that'll gettim
lusty grotto
LOoooooooooooooool
chilly brook
man literally AFK's at the keyboard
pallid quiver
yeah you have to be parsin' real low to rip aggro off someone
undone verge
all of his parses dont even add up to 100
pallid quiver
And that's fine to me until you're an ego-tart about it
lusty grotto
how is that even possible
chilly brook
yeah you have to be parsin' _real_ low to rip aggro off someone
bro I do more damage than he does while being 20+ ilvl lower
pallid quiver
I'm pretty sure I might out-dps him with my level 65 pally
chilly brook
ain't no way that is worth
lusty grotto
hurt him in the tank ego
pallid quiver
I'd leave literally right now and leave them looking for a tank; that glead is only in it for the superiority complex over commanding people
so it's like
lusty grotto
i bet hes one of those "you pull, you tank" guys
pallid quiver
there's literally thousands of other people
undone verge
my 405 fifth alt monk did twice the dmg he does
pallid quiver
i bet hes one of those "you pull, you tank" guys
I'm one of those people depending on who's pullin'
chilly brook
lusty grotto
i mean if dps pulls the right shit, i dont mind
daring marlin
now I gotta look
lusty grotto
has your group like
daring marlin
why is he wearing the sark cloak
pallid quiver
He'd definitely take it from a DPS just from the one sentence I've seen and logs he has, but based on the logs, it's also probably from vault
chilly brook
he doesn't even press buttons
bro wtf build is he even running
not even pressing divine toll
unkempt hatch
im probably not coming to another raid night. will find another casual guild
pallid quiver
wait do they advertise themselves as a casual guild?
daring marlin
I have been assaulted
daring marlin
im probably not coming to another raid night. will find another casual guild
I'm calling the cops on you
pallid quiver
if they do, you should tell that guy to go fuck himself then
daring marlin
for bringing this to our attention
pallid quiver
In no uncertain terms
final mist
unkempt hatch
yeah its uber casual
the GL can do no wrong its always someone else who is in the wrong
its an ego thing
pallid quiver
His attitude is not for a casual guild
lusty grotto
his skill isnt either tbf
daring marlin
but he's raid leading
lusty grotto
ego way over casual guild, skill way lower than casual guild
pallid quiver
He should eat his own shit out of an animal trough; I hate people like that. Casual groups are supposed to be fun and all and welcoming, not benching people because "muh aggro" or some shit
daring marlin
that excuses doing AA damage
unkempt hatch
like i dont parse particularly high
just did 44k st on first boss.... im not anywhere near my peak
lusty grotto
hell i bet you dont if you have to stop attacking for his clown ass
lusty grotto
daring marlin
but I must
lusty grotto
its like staring into the void
pallid quiver
this guy has given me the biggest urge in recent times to log in just to block him
daring marlin
lusty grotto
cant. stop. looking.
unkempt hatch
it took the fun out of raid night. i want to try and get purple parses and do good
pallid quiver
I'd really just leave now, Cody, and find any other guild
daring marlin
or pug
unkempt hatch
but now im in a bad mood. but i didnt want to give him the satisfaction of leaving
i will steal the tier token then not come back
pallid quiver
Nah, just leave mid pull or something
turbid shuttle
is he the guild leader?
daring marlin
yes
pallid quiver
From the sounds of it, yes
turbid shuttle
instant gquit. there's no salvaging that.
chilly brook
im probably not coming to another raid night. will find another casual guild
I'm convinced casual guilds are cesspools
There's a happy medium somewhere and casual ain't it
daring marlin
When people use the term "casual guild" I feel like it'll inevitably have some jerkoff like that in it.
lusty grotto
his problem will be getting into a guild as a tank though
pallid quiver
The problem is that "casual" attracts a lot of people, and the biggest issue is that the people who form a lot of those groups are people with delusions of grandeur with no skill to back it up
daring marlin
^this
chilly brook
probably something along the lines of AOTC guilds that actually achieve AOTC in a timely fashion
would be best if you actually wanna be cas
daring marlin
AOTC first week then just chill and clear heroic in one night
chilly brook
The problem is that "casual" attracts a lot of people, and the biggest issue is ...
basically my experience as well
daring marlin
that's all I've be willing to do raiding wise
crude notch
AOTC first week then just chill and clear heroic in one night
clear dn
pallid quiver
I think casual guilds and just community guilds are fine, but the toxic cesspool people just flock to them because they get told to fuck off in no uncertain terms from anything that requires comptence, and they'll just pray on guilds/communities like this
pallid quiver
what doesn't help is that in the larger wow community, this is the behavior people are taught to do, since it's all they see is the drama and the asshats in their guilds
urban portal
what a fun start to raid
tell him to install hekili
pallid quiver
they don't see people acting like decent human beings like in most communities
urban portal
i dont think he knows what his dps rotation is
daring marlin
tell him to install hekili
goated addon
crude notch
what a fun start to raid
"listen here motherfucker, stop doing so much damage and being effective, you're making me look bad."
violet flume
im surprised that guy has multiple +15 clears
crude notch
15s require nothing
daring marlin
violet flume
did he even tank them lol he has a 16min underrot run
it does require more than 17k average dps
if hes doing 17k dps
crude notch
not a 15 as a tank
violet flume
hes doing a lot more wrong
crude notch
you really underestimate how much tanks get away with bad play
chilly brook
tanks get carried hard in keys
crude notch
Even WF key tanks get hard carried. ((No names will be given at this time))
unkempt hatch
at least im not crazy for being in my emotions
daring marlin
crude notch
he pays for it
well yes
unkempt hatch
ohhhh shiny
daring marlin
Blizz wants me to play more WoW despite D4 being there
got 4pc on my pally and essence on my warrior
despite rolling a 16 on anvil
violet flume
hes just a blocker enjoyer
chilly brook
that's just my prot set name
clear surge
probably jsut ilvl > secondary stats
chilly brook
🙂
violet flume
my prot to fury gear is just swapping weapons so its ez no need to use the manager gg
lmao i didnt see that nice name indeed
violet flume
true but then you gotta update it
violet flume
am i lazy and make a equip setup or am i retarded and i forget to update it
hard choice
chilly brook
you're telling me you're opposed to two clicks everytime you get an upgrade
but you're fine with TWO CLICKS everytime you swap specs
violet flume
i dont wanna distill my game experience i have to click
chilly brook
copper lava
can you put shadowflame patch on allied wrists?
copper lava
kk thought so
violet flume
how much of a damage increase is shadowflame patch, 1%? or more
lusty grotto
over what
violet flume
over no embel
lusty grotto
like 5-6%
daring marlin
sim it
lusty grotto
more than other embelishments to be sure
violet flume
wow thats a lot more than previous embellishments
they were all 1% back in s1 right
copper lava
and shield of the hearth is an embelishment as well yes? just wondering if I should craft the shield over the shield I have now which is shadowflame patch one
proper roost
those tank whispers are hilarious
lusty grotto
yes and thats the wrong shield you should have
daring marlin
LOOK AT HIS LOGS
violet flume
i have shield of hearth and its worse than allied bracer sin terms of vers
daring marlin
GAZE AND BE AMAZED
copper lava
which shield should I have?
lusty grotto
primal molten
violet flume
and if shadowflame patch is 5% more damage no way you take anything but that lol
lusty grotto
hearth is dogshit
copper lava
okay cool thats what I have, I thought so, seemed like the vers wouldn't be worth the investment at the time haha
violet flume
i crafted hearth cause i was clueless about crafting early on in s1 😦
copper lava
I have shadowflame patch on shield and wrists atm
violet flume
its not even a new apperance too
chilly brook
I think this was actually my reprisal set
proper roost
the problem with embellishments is that they're kind of ivory tower design
new players look at them like "oh that effect looks cool" but the reality is some of them just kinda really mid
the fact that they're all individually good makes it a trap if you straight up don't know about the existence of e.g. shadowflame patch
pallid quiver
none of the effects are particularly cool, all I'm aware of are passive damage
proper roost
well yeah but that contributes it to it too
Who's gonna look at shadowflame patch and be like "holy crap that effect is insane"
it just passive dam
crude notch
number go up
proper roost
just so happens that the damage and proc rate is good but you wouldn't really know that as regular joe just playing the game
you just look at the tank shield embellish and you're like, oh, this is made for tanks, surely it's good
violet flume
yeah its hard to put a number on an embellishment without looking at sims
crude notch
honestly play wtf you want
proper roost
kind of a major design L imo but shadowlands legendaries weren't exactly a design W as well so..
crude notch
There's nothing trappy about the embellishment design
violet flume
you just look at the tank shield embellish and you're like, oh, this is made for...
thats exactly what i thought about the hearth shield and made it
i even specced shields first as a blacksmith in DF
now that i make a fortune with obsidian alloy i shouldve went alloy route 😦
lusty grotto
we were saying how hearth was bad from day 1 of s1
violet flume
i was approaching the expansion casually i barely read on anything
lusty grotto
yeah but these guys are
violet flume
yeah i joined this place when i was tackling +18s
lusty grotto
well not me specifically
crude notch
You think anyone
lusty grotto
everyone else said it im pretty sure
crude notch
reads a damn thing
proper roost
ye i mean, that's just the shitty part - imagine you crafted something because you thought it was cool and it was clearly designed for your role
crude notch
anyone says
proper roost
and then you decide to care more about min/maxing and realize you wasted a spark
lusty grotto
well i mean sparks kinda kept dropping in s1 so it was fixable
proper roost
anyway that is all for my unwanted rant
crude notch
Let's be real, 99% of wow players aren't in class discords, and then 99% of those that are in class discords, don't actually read it.
lusty grotto
yes, that's correct
violet flume
that 8th percentile prot paladin parser definitely isnt in the prot paladin discord lmao
lusty grotto
not saying otherwise
crude notch
Usually if you're deciding to care more about min/maxing you're accepting that you're doing something wrong, so wasting a spark is just another part of the lesson.
violet flume
i wasted so many sparks in s1
not even funny
molten shield > heart was my first 2 crafts lmao
dull zodiac
Yes we got a substantial dmg buff as compensation for the Bugfix that came with 10.1.
What was bugged?
proper roost
battering ram was giving 20% crit damage increase to all physical damage, not just shield charge damage
eager marlin
you think we going to run the Thunderlord talent in m+ ?
chilly brook
So should I just like
Do all the zskera vault quests
or just open all the doors first
chilly brook
I meant specifically the like "cool you picked up the ring now go get stuff"
or does it ultimately not matter the order
lusty grotto
open the door,s the quests also give you the fragments
order doesnt really matter i guess
violet flume
hmm i need to do one last zskera vault run to get the 150 doors achieve
that place was so annoying, farming keys was the most mindless thing man
vivid pumice
guys
I'm a fury warrior
just tried to tank a 20 NT
got nuked since I didn't know blazing slash was FIRE dmg
and I didn't take spell block
so.... those hurt
violet flume
are blazing slashes the new dark claw?
lusty grotto
are blazing slashes the new dark claw?
no, you cant reflect blazing slash
for sweet sweet damage
cinder nova
We have amazing boss reflects this season though
lusty grotto
indeed
daring marlin
How often does uldaman last boss do the cone?
cinder nova
A shitload
lusty grotto
2 or 3 times between phases
cinder nova
Yes it's nightmarish
daring marlin
I'm wondering cuz spellblock being 30s means you could potentially catch two?
That's yuge
Or can you already do that currently?
toxic pewter
oops was thinking of different spell
violet flume
i like how blizz said prot war struggled on survival jsut to buff talents we dont use/use situationally 😦
violet flume
daring marlin
Yeah so
crude notch
Well the spell block is an appropriate change tbf
lusty grotto
"what kills warriors?"
daring marlin
Spellblock buff yuge for uldaman last boss
lusty grotto
"magic damage and/or bleeds"
so spell block buff is a pretty fucking great reponse to that
crude notch
Better than when they said bear struggles with a certain type of damage and then buffed ironfur, that's for sure
violet flume
i guess, i had in mind that usually they buff baseline class and not optional talents but it does make sense
i didnt know what they meant by struggling more than others
felt liek prot war was pretty strong still
violet flume
Better than when they said bear struggles with a certain type of damage and then...
im still mad at them taking out mark of ursol in the name of giving bears a weakness
serene steppe
it got nerfed by 100%
violet flume
i solo tanked mythic botanist thanks to mark of ursoi haha
crude notch
Because that was the precursor to them taking the stance that magic damage on tanks is a healing mechanic not a tank mechanic. (Whether or not that ended up being the case, is a different story, it was still their aim)
violet flume
oh im fine with magic damage being a healer mechanic, i think its a good idea
its obviously not equal amongst every tank though like you said
crude notch
You have close to 50% uptime on bark rn as bear.
daring marlin
its obviously not equal amongst every tank though like you said
Fuck yeah it's not
violet flume
i played bear for a while and tried prot war again and didnt want to look back
undone verge
Skill issue
crude notch
Whether or not it should be equal among tanks is also another argument.
undone verge
heroic
crude notch
heroic what?
undone verge
sarkareth
odd tree
Assault?
undone verge
assault
crude notch
Sussy baka.
undone verge
we love when the raid pushes just too late for 2 waves of 8 wallclimbers to spawn and the only other person on your side is a MW monk
daring marlin
@crude notch tank my 19 HoI thanks
warm plinth
wow I mean I'm right here smh
daring marlin
SO YOU ARE
lusty grotto
tank my ret paladin's heroic echo
8 wipes, all because tanks cant fucking manage p2 wall breaks
sick sentinel
did anyone math out the increase of dps or whaever we will get from the buffs today, in before 8% cuz there is change to TL and such
daring marlin
what is going on in there
lusty grotto
tanks are moving early
im padding on MCs LMAO
i cant stop these AoE hammers of wrath
sick sentinel
we also get a 10% auto attack bonus, i don't think that will make a huge deal more dps, but a bit
vivid pumice
"
To get Spellblock there is no easy choice to make. It's between:
Bloodsurge (very large rage gen in aoe)
Punish (good ST dmg and 9-12%DR on prio targets/bosses)
"
can't we just NOT run battering ram? is it that good?
vivid pumice
but 5 rage on aoe in m+ looks juicy
daring marlin
BR is better
crude notch
<@714890000189358110> tank my 19 HoI thanks
put me in coach
vivid pumice
for the 20% Attack speed?
vivid pumice
for the crit and chance and dmg BR gives?
crude notch
nah you drop nothing and keep dying
daring marlin
crude notch
🙂
vivid pumice
is it just so the 20% attack speed resets our devastator procs?
daring marlin
you're overthinking it my man
vivid pumice
that's the only reason I'm seeing for dropping bloodsurge for BR
how so?
i feel like 5 rage is huge
since i'm pulling like a mad man
vivid pumice
let's say i pull 5 mobs, it's 25 rage comming in very rapidly
but i'm crazy pulling
crude notch
It's up to you brother
daring marlin
How is it very rapid? It's 10% chance
daring marlin
per tick
daring marlin
Sense took it in a 23 he did a couple days ago
so I mean
whatever
He didn't drop BR tho
He just didn't use spellblock
vivid pumice
i need spell block for NT
i didn't take it for a NT 20 and I cried on the last pack of NT
copper lava
So much barrowed power, but also tough as nails did a surprising amount. if I don't feel rage starved(I don't) should I just run that for more damage vs bloodsurge?
Although bloodsurge would give me more IP idk
cinder nova
"
To get Spellblock there is no easy choice to make. It's between:
Bloodsurge (v...
Drop Bloodrage.
Bloodsurge, rather.
It's good, but not that good.
vivid pumice
yeah
cinder nova
I had the same question and Nom pointed out pretty quick that it's a little over 20% of our Shield Slam rage, and it fluxes based on pull size anyway.
vivid pumice
got to that conclusion when guilford said 10% chance
restive crown
buffs comes into effect only next week right?
copper lava
6th for NA 7th for EU
daring marlin
23 Neltharus that Sense tanked on the 28th.
daring marlin
so yeah, 20% of SS tracks.
cinder nova
But you can lose it and be fine if you need Splock
copper lava
so my q is then Tough as nails if I don't feel like it will be a threatening dungeon and bloodsurge if I need more magic mit?
cinder nova
Mmmnot really.
You're taking Bloodsurge in keys on pretty much everything but 2.
You're also gonna do more damage with Bloodborne 1/2 than TaN
undone verge
take spellblock and bloodsurge
cinder nova
Literally how
eager marlin
Earthen Smash should be higher, if this is from an entire dungeon
copper lava
it is
undone verge
meh
daring marlin
You are UNWORTHY
cinder nova
You're losing rage and CDR not taking BR
daring marlin
cinder nova
Just to take Splock
eager marlin
I haven't used SpellBlock this season and I have timed almost everything on +21, is there a dungeon where it is really a must have ?
undone verge
nah but its nice to have and the buff is nice too
daring marlin
It's helpful in Neltharus and Uldaman but not must have
eager marlin
Which mobs in Neltharus and Uldaman ?
undone verge
dragons and icelance in halls too
daring marlin
dragons no ice lance just stun it
daring marlin
🤝
undone verge
I mean you could stun like half the mobs SB is useful for
but pugs are stupid asf
personally I just run UF cause I find it fun for m+ but yeah its whatev
daring marlin
sword?
lusty grotto
nah sword actually sims for less than a 447 crafted
at least in ST for me
not by a much though
i mean ill take it if it drops on vault
lusty grotto
nothing lmao
i got absolutely fucking nothing on both normal and heroic this week on paladin
and on warrior i got tier gloves upgrade from normal
on heroic
but absolutely nothing else
thats just my luck
also nimchipadin still has a 405 lariat lmaooooo
408*
i finally can upgrade that neck since its way behind on wyrms
kinda shitty we thought the upgrade thing was accountwide