no, i play only M+
#protection
dense shell
final mist
It's pretty good in M+ too
ashen coral
I use the same but on the location of the cursor
dense shell
my idea is Frostfire+shiled with shadowflame
crystal mauve
I have it [@cursor] because sometimes you want to shot it a bit away from your location but it should be fine 99% of the time
ashen coral
I'll look for new binds then
final mist
I use the same but on the location of the cursor
Mine is also a cursor macro
sleek current
I have it [@cursor] because sometimes you want to shot it a bit away from your l...
I'm yet to find a situation where there was really a need to throw it so I just dropped the mouseover macro immediately after discovering this one. Haha.
chilly brook
I'll look for new binds then
What helped me was “clustering” binds
For example mouse wheel being defensives
crystal mauve
no, i play only M+
I like two shadow flame because it helps a bit more on bosses, smaller ones overall cause no padding though
proper roost
I'm yet to find a situation where there was really a need to throw it so I just ...
there are some times, such as when you're kiting a pack and want to do a big opener elsewhere
A really good example this season is the first pull of Nelth when you doublepull
chilly brook
And adding some modifiers or just simply using the different functions of the mouse wheel (click, click left/right and the scroll)
proper roost
You want to hit the wardens a little for threat and as you're kiting you can throw the ravager into the next pack and then ava+shield charge ni
chilly brook
Or always using Q for stuns on all classes
proper roost
that's a very effective opener for that set that minimizes npc movement
dusky canopy
Titanic throw owns
sleek current
there are some times, such as when you're kiting a pack and want to do a big ope...
Do you go right or left? I go right and just charge all the way down to the chains to blow them up and the chains generate threat
dusky canopy
Definitely worth over pain and gain
ashen coral
What helped me was “clustering” binds
Yes I think I will do that for sgield wall and spell block
When should I do SB if I can't use it on cd ?
chilly brook
TLDR the more you “standardize” the binds across classes and specs the easier it is to get it
proper roost
you should go left. Mammoth boss is the harder opener and determining whether the key is bricked or not in the first 5 minutes is far more efficient in pugs
final mist
I'll look for new binds then
Best way to do that is, essentially, rest your hand in your "default" position on your keyboard and feel around for what keys feel easiest to press. Those ones are your main abilities (ex. Shield Slam, IP, TC, etc). Ones a bit father out are things you hit less often, but still often enough (Avatar and DS and Shield Wall and such). Ones outside that range are utility and situational usage (ex. For me, F is Heroic Throw because it's never something you should be hitting super often, it's still comfortable for me to hit and thus I can still spam it if I need to). Same with mouse keybinds if you have them.
chilly brook
Yes I think I will do that for sgield wall and spell block
When should I do SB ...
Anytime someone is swinging at you and you’re not going to overcap shield block duration and or you’re not going to waste the next cast
crystal mauve
I'm yet to find a situation where there was really a need to throw it so I just ...
Sometimes the best way to hit all the mobs with ravager is also to have it just a bit on the side while you dodge some shit on the ground, I’m use to @stoic erminesors for everything so it works for me but it doesn’t matter that much. Also Ravager on pull from 30yard while you get ready to charge in save you a GCD on pull
chilly brook
For example if there’s 3 seconds left on shield block but the boss is going into a channel in 1 second there isn’t much of a reason to press it
proper roost
just to be clear I definitely do @heavy mirage ravager the vast majority of the time, especially as prot, but there are pretty good use cases for flinging it far as prot
specifically for multi pack pulls where you want to lead where it goes
sleek current
you should go left. Mammoth boss is the harder opener and determining whether th...
I don't pug very often so I guess I don't have to worry about that.
final mist
If you don't have the slightest bit of mistrust in your friends, are you really friends?
ashen coral
Anytime someone is swinging at you and you’re not going to overcap shield block ...
Wait doesn't shield block stack ? What is the max duration ?
proper roost
i wouldn't waste lust pull on the side that has the chains that mostly delete the mobs anyway
sleek current
Sometimes the best way to hit all the mobs with ravager is also to have it just ...
Only really use mouseovers for healing so, I guess that's why I didn't get on with it. Just not enough motivation to keep at it. Haha. I also mouse strafe so, it can be uncomfortable to use mouseovers.
stark jewel
yo guys, im a fury main but wanna try out prot a bit, was wondering if last stand is refreshed if you pop it before a key is put in?
chilly brook
Wait doesn't shield block stack ? What is the max duration ?
It does
But casting it while something is channeling and not swinging at you is just wasting shield block uptime
crystal mauve
Only really use mouseovers for healing so, I guess that's why I didn't get on wi...
I mouse strafe too (and use mouse over for everything else as well), I guess I’ll just used to it 😛
chilly brook
If you’re pressing it and you can’t block you’re just wasting it
dusky canopy
yo guys, im a fury main but wanna try out prot a bit, was wondering if last stan...
Yep
chilly brook
Unless you just wanted the shield slam damage
final mist
24(?) seconds is the cap (although LS with Bolster can push it past this)
dusky canopy
All cds longer than 2 minutes work iirc
quiet minnow
you should go left. Mammoth boss is the harder opener and determining whether th...
yeah idc if it was technically even a worse way i want to know if we can kill the stupid elephant first
chilly brook
I’m just giving an example of when you should not press it
dusky canopy
It’s not required
stark jewel
Yes so you get the aoe on first pack
awesome, ty for the info
sleek current
I mouse strafe too (and use mouse over for everything else as well), I guess I’l...
I use a mouse over for heroic throw but and I tried Death and Decay once but, I just didn't like not knowing fully where the centre was. Wasn't clicking in my brain. I'll try it again one day. 😂
proper roost
i don't really keep up with high key stuff atm because lolstartoftheseason so idk if high key routers go right suddenly or not
chilly brook
Shield block honestly is as simple as “is the mob swinging at me or shooting at me” if yes you press it. If no then you don’t.
proper roost
but as far as i'm aware from my friends doing ~24s, they go left atm so
ashen coral
I mean, as far as I'm aware for high keys, you go mammoth first always
I prefer to start with the right because as a blacksmith I like to have rhe additional damage for mammoth
stark jewel
also, is there a WA to track the 4set buff?
dusky canopy
I’m a weirdo I enjoy seeing the green circle from heroic leap and ravager before it gets placed
quiet minnow
with bolster though i mean if you dont wanna think too much about sb and shit you can kinda just press it on cd tbh
you shouldnt have any difficulty maintaining sb
dusky canopy
I should really try to adjust to playing with @ cursors
ashen coral
If you’re pressing it and you can’t block you’re just wasting it
Ok i understand
quiet minnow
and it also affects your ss dam
proper roost
i think heroic leap @stoic erminesor is a bit too risky and i've never had it tbh
waxen frigate
I’m a weirdo I enjoy seeing the green circle from heroic leap and ravager before...
Psychotic
sleek current
i don't really keep up with high key stuff atm because lolstartoftheseason so id...
The chains basically explode the mobs and I like getting that shit out of the way because the Boneskinners upstairs are deadly on Fortified. Which means I can pick up count in the easy area next to Mammoth.
ashen coral
24(?) seconds is the cap (although LS with Bolster can push it past this)
That's good to know
waxen frigate
I bind all my abilities to my feet like a chad
crystal mauve
I use a mouse over for heroic throw but and I tried Death and Decay once but, I ...
I also taunt/throw with mouse over and I target most of the time with tab targeting lol I can do a full m+ witho it clicking anything lol
proper roost
The chains basically explode the mobs and I like getting that shit out of the wa...
i mean yes, this devalues the initial lust quite a bit tho
final mist
Uhm I actually use a DDR2 pad to hit my buttons
ashen coral
Shield block honestly is as simple as “is the mob swinging at me or shooting at ...
But then using shield block on cd is correct as a tank ? Since mob are atracking you anyway ?
final mist
Raid nights are how I get my cardio in
dusky canopy
If you are being meleed you press a button that gives you shield block duration
It’s not any more complicated than that
sleek current
i mean yes, this devalues the initial lust quite a bit tho
I'm still playing around with it. I'll keep the lust thing in mind.
dusky canopy
If you are being meleed you press a button that gives you shield block duration
Basically reiterating what griff already said,
I realized
proper roost
idk what to tell ya i'm 99% sure left is the better route
sleek current
I'm not saying it isn't. Haha. I'm saying I prefer right because it works for me.
proper roost
even if you have a BS I'd rather just use it on last boss since skipping a shield phase if possible would be the fastest way to cut down on boss time in the key
proper roost
Left is the defacto right now
But who's on first?
dusky canopy
Works better for lust until proven otherwise
ashen coral
with bolster though i mean if you dont wanna think too much about sb and shit yo...
You know these workds make me want to keep my macro...
quiet minnow
lmao no
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YaIHb-_R-E&ab_channel=Robotnikthecat2 When they invented money, they invented greed, no we're no were longer trading for all the things we need.
quiet minnow
dont
uneven mason
Lust on mammoth
quiet minnow
macro bad
waxen frigate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YaIHb-_R-E&ab_channel=Robotnikthecat2 When they...
Holy shit I gotta buy a token
sick sentinel
286k wow token on NA
dusky canopy
Yeah because everyone timed there unsub for d4
So token sky rocket
Saw that coming miles ahead
ashen coral
Left is the defacto right now
Isn't the shield from blacksmith and food valuable ?
sick sentinel
i might have to cash in on buyting somw wow tokens
uneven mason
Yeah because everyone timed there unsub for d4
It's more that people have traded in their wow gold for d4 platinum
sick sentinel
i buy 3 or 4 im a millionaire
if wow token gets to 300k im getting like at least 2 tokens for sure
dusky canopy
Isn't the shield from blacksmith and food valuable ?
Yes but not enough to re route afaik
waxen frigate
It's more that people have traded in their wow gold for d4 platinum
And “legal” retail > classic gold I’d guess, to a lesser extent
sick sentinel
and then i'll just store that million gold on an alt for later
dusky canopy
Yeah I mean I know some people are super weird about buying wow tokens but like
It’s literally not worth my time to farm 300k for 20 hours when I could buy a token for less than 1 hr of irl labor lol
daring marlin
_ I know some people are super weird about buying wow tokens_
sick sentinel
look man, i understand asmongold and other peoples take that the wow token ruins wow and makes the game meaningless,
daring marlin
Don't need to expand
dusky canopy
Tbf I also sell keys but just talking from a general perspective
sick sentinel
but no, i don't think that also
i think there is absolutely positives that isn't just for the game devs or share holders about wow token
waxen frigate
look man, i understand asmongold and other peoples take that the wow token ruins...
Ah yes asmongold who has never been carried or boosted to anything
God he’s so annoying
sick sentinel
yeah, he can be quite an annoying twat some days, mostly i like and agree with stuff he says
dusky canopy
I like asmongold he’s very entertaining
waxen frigate
He’s just contrarian for a living
waxen frigate
He can be funny but people worship him like a gif
God
I honestly dislike his chat more than I dislike him
dusky canopy
I think chats the best part personally
crude notch
like a gif
proper roost
Yogi aren't you literally like
crude notch
i was like wtf
dusky canopy
Yogi is playing 90s games guys
crude notch
I mean this in a loving way yogi
lusty grotto
asmongold has some pretty grounded takes, but hes a character so most of the time so yeah - kind of similar to dr disrespect etc
proper roost
Listening to classic only token discourse is hilarious because it's even more bad faith arguments than when token actually released on retail
sick sentinel
i quit in panada which is based
waxen frigate
Listening to classic only token discourse is hilarious because it's even more ba...
The classic token discourse is hilarious
sick sentinel
and then come back in bfa which was also based yogi move, i skipped out on legion for some reason
waxen frigate
Classic has been full of RMT for years. The token changes nothing in terms of the economy
proper roost
I read a post this morning that claimed because classic wow tokens can't be traded for bnet currency, the gold value of them is dropping
Which is like what
Literally the exact opposite of what that would mean
dusky canopy
Classic token just legitimizes buying gold
proper roost
And by the age range of classic playerbase that is like a 30+ year old guy making such a statement on economics
waxen frigate
Classic token just legitimizes buying gold
Everyone was already doing it though
waxen frigate
Ye
proper roost
basic microeconomics really needs to be taught in NA 🤦
crude notch
that was pretty lit
dusky canopy
Correct, anybody who says otherwise is oblivious
sick sentinel
bro
crude notch
i've never bought or sold gold a day in my life. : )
lusty grotto
the only reason its a discussion is that they can scapegoat someone pretty easily
sick sentinel
i bought gold for, i know at least 1 game, and i want to say runescape maybe even i bought some kind of gold or services
but i mean like, i think everyone has done that type of thing, official or not
dusky canopy
It’s like oh you play 6-10 hours a week leveling and you bought 100% ride speed right at 60?
Hmmmmmm
proper roost
it was very tempting to sell CM carries for irl money back in mop but that was because i was like 17 and didn't have a job
so $10/4 hours sounded actually cool (it wasn't? what the fuck was that all about)
lusty grotto
ive never bought gold anywhere either and i have the dumb AH mount and i cleared naxx in classic (and did naxx up to Sapph in vanilla)
but
sick sentinel
in a sense, but not really, thats why taxi over powered,
lusty grotto
i understand why people would do it
sick sentinel
back when it cost 5000 gold to flying fast speed
lusty grotto
just get glad mount lel
daring marlin
ive never bought gold anywhere either and i have the dumb AH mount and i cleared...
I have a buddy that got the brutosaur selling M+ carries
dusky canopy
The only realistic way to make gold in the game now days is to sell carry’s of some sort
waxen frigate
Correct, anybody who says otherwise is oblivious
I don’t even think they’re oblivious I think they’re aware but delusional
proper roost
i mean, as far as classic goes, it's because a large part of the community that plays for "nostalgia" is actually doing the equivalent of vicariously living through their kids in little league games, and being toxic parents
proper roost
like all that matters to them is that they "win" for their past child selves and get full WOTLK bis or whatever
Which is like a wildly fucked up mentality imo but whatever ig
waxen frigate
The only realistic way to make gold in the game now days is to sell carry’s of s...
Being an AH goblin is also viable
dusky canopy
There’s a very very small amount of people who play the AH effectively
sick sentinel
what we really need is like, the super duper party boat giga mount
sick sentinel
Like a flying battleship!
chilly brook
But then using shield block on cd is correct as a tank ? Since mob are atracking...
In short no
dusky canopy
Most people’s AH experience is either using there wow token money to buy the stuff they need or they get a 1 off rare item like a mount or boe or even a xmog item and they list it for whatever other people have it listed for
sick sentinel
holds an entire raid and has ah and whatever, call it titanic
chilly brook
If you’re tanking and you have 16 seconds left on shield block and the pack is going to die
There’s no point in pressing shield block
lusty grotto
either way its such a non-discussion because the idea that people can stop an arms race at the press of a button is so out of touch
dusky canopy
Word
crude notch
all i can say is when you're boosting for 5m gold a week it makes it really hard not to sell gold
daring marlin
I know how to stop people from buying WoW gold
sick sentinel
everything's a cliche until its happening to you...... all it takes is one really shitty day.......
daring marlin
turn off the wow servers 
lusty grotto
lol
dusky canopy
Wow good is insanely inflated
I’d be in favor of a hard reset
But that would fuck people hard
Who have millions
waxen frigate
Platinum when
sick sentinel
does that mean asmon rebrands to asmonplatinum? asmonplat maybe?
crude notch
Who have millions
pls no
chilly brook
Unpopular opinion I’m reasonably happy with the token
dusky canopy
I ran across a guy one time talking about how he has something like 180M loaned to a race guild and he gets it all back plus interest apparently he does it every race
The average person will never compete with that
If it’s true anyway
chilly brook
I ran across a guy one time talking about how he has something like 180M loaned ...
Not uncommon
dusky canopy
Just some guy I ran across in a pug one time talking about it
chilly brook
Max has talked about it before
crude notch
Gallywix gave out like 400m to Liquid during Nyalotha I remember that and they paid them back in boosts.
dusky canopy
Yeah like why do you think Mythic boosts are 5M +
Way to much gold floating around in the game
ashen coral
If you’re tanking and you have 16 seconds left on shield block and the pack is g...
Yes for this situation i understand
dusky canopy
Tbf the average player doesn’t really need alot of gold either from my perspective
proper roost
keyge actually hemorrhages gold
dusky canopy
Unless they’re trying to buy a mount or rare transmog or something like what else would they spend gold on?
Boosts?
proper roost
😔
sick sentinel
if blizzard really wanted to do some kind of gold reset, remember there is lore to support that dragons lay on a pile of gold because the gold retains heat and it does something that helps the dragon survive
sick sentinel
so, evil dragon creates a world gold magnet sucks all the gold on azeroth to him
chilly brook
Unless they’re trying to buy a mount or rare transmog or something like what els...
I can’t wait to spend half a mil to craft the legendary weapon that will totally drop for me on the next Sark kill
sick sentinel
and then, we have to use platinum
chilly brook
lusty grotto
dusky canopy
proper roost
it's not actually that much lol i think i was only down like 25k in consumes week 1 of doing like
a fuckton of keys
lusty grotto
yogi plat is 1k gold
in most mmos
what youre saying has no logic
but again youre yogi
sick sentinel
well, what do you do really?
proper roost
maybe it'd cost more if i was playing a spec that used elemental chaos phials
chilly brook
what youre saying has no logic
This applies to like 95% of what yogi says lol
proper roost
or actually used pots in keys
sick sentinel
well, where do you go once the problem spreads to plats? gems and diamonds?
dusky canopy
Changing the currency from gold to a smaller stack of platinum pretty much changes nothing
The value is still the value
The value only changes when theirs less currency available as a whole
lusty grotto
This applies to like 95% of what yogi says lol
hmm in that case then its right... its a forced conversion
proper roost
i mean it's not really just gold that's the issue, there's kind of too much of everything in wow because it's just such an old ass game
lusty grotto
my proposal is do nothing
theres nothing to be done
lol
there's no problem at all
dusky canopy
Right pretty much do nothing
You either hard reset witch fucks everyone or you do nothing
proper roost
the screeching when wow finally shuts down will be legendary, all the account progress lost
i can only pray it happens in my lifetime
dusky canopy
Add some gold syncs sure but the people with 100s of mill won’t be effected by a gold sync
daring marlin
feels naur mate
lusty grotto
all of this cause classic andies still think blizzard can 1 shot millions of bots a day
who gives a shit what they think
honestly
chilly brook
all of this cause classic andies still think blizzard can 1 shot millions of bot...
Classic Andy’s have no legs to stand on
Like literally
cinder storm
tbf, bots are also a revenue for blizz
lusty grotto
Ban people who rmt
do you want blizzard to ban the 11 players of the 12 player classic wotlk server?
chilly brook
They voted with their wallets and continue to do so
They’ve been buying gold since like day 15 of classic
And continue to do so
Clearly the WoW token is popular too
Since yknow
It’s down to like 6k
lusty grotto
lol
chilly brook
Meaning very high rates of purchase since it’s directly related to supply and demand
lusty grotto
i mean shit, thats pretty great for a 12 player total server
chilly brook
i mean shit, thats pretty great for a 12 player total server
It was over double when they released it
lusty grotto
i dont doubt it
proper roost
as far as i know, large scale botting operations are mostly not a source of revenue for blizz
because the people who do it don't actually get accounts or subs through exactly legal methods
chilly brook
because the people who do it don't actually get accounts or subs through exactly...
Not entirely true if Reddit forum post is to be believed
proper roost
not really surprising that the ama botter guy dodged questions on how exactly he got cheap sub costs, and it's not hard to find out how to get gray market cheap subs even now
there's still a longrunning, pretty well known hacks/bot forum that has many sellers openly advertising very cheap sub cost methods (that they sell)
sick sentinel
i just can't see why you'd put your self in a potential line of fire like that
sick sentinel
buying grey market items where official exists and you've already paid bigly into the account you are grey marketing for....??...what??
proper roost
What
sick sentinel
not legal no, but if your a gamer your account can be under fire based on whatever the game devs wanna do
proper roost
Y... es, they bot on accounts that are expendable lol
lusty grotto
you just dont share their perspective
proper roost
they don't bot on "longterm main accounts"
lusty grotto
thats what youre not understanding
proper roost
because those don't exist lol
proper roost
it is a literal business
lusty grotto
they are workers
cinder storm
I have a friend from Venezuela, his wife and his son work as gold farmers and that's how they survive
They live a pretty decent life there
proper roost
it can be very good money in countries with a weak currency
and wow is generally the most profitable game out of most other mmorpgs to bot like that
sick sentinel
well, okay i get that, just its not the life style for me
im not about the sellin fire capes carries or some shit
lusty grotto
but we're not talking about you
sick sentinel
or selling boost lvl 99 fishing and this really hard quest on runescape
chilly brook
not legal no, but if your a gamer your account can be under fire based on whatev...
Grey market literally usually isn’t outside of ToS
sick sentinel
i know for fact ppl did that type of stuff, i seen it happen with my own eyes
chilly brook
It’s just usually a way for people to get something they can no longer get or get something cheaper
I should know
It’s how I divested all the money I dropped on Star Citizen when I was naïve
uneven mason
MMOs are great for money laundering
sick sentinel
my friends always playeds the "shady merchant" role way more than i did on runescape
cinder storm
The biggest money laundering I've seen come from chinese stocks, those are the real pump and dump schemes
uneven mason
The Krono farmer market in EQ for their TLP servers were very profitable
chilly brook
The biggest money laundering I've seen come from chinese stocks, those are the r...
That’s because their entire economy is fake
sick sentinel
1 of the like 4 of us, prety much ONLY logged on to trade shit on runescape
chilly brook
sick sentinel
and the other 2 were good at it too, and i didn't care to trade to make gold
cinder storm
That’s because their entire economy is fake
daring marlin
jesus fuck my ping is 276
chilly brook
They literally build fake cities to help pump the economy
daring marlin
I hope these OCE people are worth it!
chilly brook
It’s the weirdest thing
cinder storm
It is indeed
uneven mason
That’s because their entire economy is fake
I mean, all economies are credit based now
chilly brook
I mean, all economies are credit based now
That’s not what I mean
uneven mason
but 5G though
I can feel the tumor growing
crystal mauve
thats real
It's real fast yeah
lusty grotto
hell ye
chilly brook
What I’m meaning by that is they essentially setup fake projects to help make the economy look better to drive investment
It’s so weird
uneven mason
So my it department keeps trying to take control of my work laptop
chilly brook
Like they “deliver” a “product” but uhhh, it’s certainly not a viable product lmfao
uneven mason
Part of their "monitoring policy"
lusty grotto
lol
uneven mason
And I have it blocked on my routers vpn
cinder storm
I read that many ultra wealthy people (billionaires) pay to not even appear on those "most rich people" lists
uneven mason
Just waiting for them to ask nicely what I'm doing
proper roost
Grey market literally usually isn’t outside of ToS
i mean in the context of gray market subs that are traded for illicit purposes (botting etc), it's only gray market because it's actually impossible to know where they're from
cinder storm
I wonder how many of those whales have children driving wow economy on their own
proper roost
it is very likely quite a few of them are actually illegal with stolen ccs etc
i can say for 100% sure that on those forums, there are multiple tiers of cheap sub sold
and the ones that are subs through other countries' currencies (which are more "clean" basically) are slightly more expensive than the ones that are "don't ask any questions"
uneven mason
?
craggy pilot
feel like a few packs are missing here
the pull 26 is not in the dungeon, only the 2 of them
uneven mason
Idk I was playing a bur in d4
craggy pilot
and then there is a grp below it
cinder storm
I think they are just spread out a bit no? to make it easier to click
uneven mason
That does look scuffed, also not pulling the patroller in the cave is asking for a wipe
craggy pilot
idk they didnt feel that bad
proper roost
why would you do that
craggy pilot
but maybe im wrong 😄
cinder storm
You can even skip pull 26 if you hug left and jump over the rocks
craggy pilot
but i dont remember if there is cauldron close to it
craggy pilot
they're all linked
no they arent
craggy pilot
the rothexers are 100% not linked
i did pull 1 and i had to manually pull the rest
just did it 1 min ago
proper roost
ok
that sounds slow as shit tho considering you can get like 10% count from the first area in 30s instead of pulling that pack to begin with
fresh igloo
that area does weird shit with randomly some times socialing stuff and some times not.
craggy pilot
also i did something in the Tree area that pulled the enitre area
not sure which mob did that 🤔
like this entire area got aggrod together
lusty grotto
sometimes you can agro a mob and it'll go around the long route
craggy pilot
sometimes you can agro a mob and it'll go around the long route
nah it insta snapped all of them
it wasnt walking
cinder storm
That sounds efficient
craggy pilot
but idk if it was someone else
but man this dungeon feels like it has way too much %
proper roost
i mean you're just pulling really inefficiently if you're doing all the trash in that last area
those mobs are all really shitty efficiency
whereas the mobs in first and 2nd area (up to treemouth) are all very high efficiency
crude notch
For those that didn't see this reddit post from the other day and made stereotype comments regarding gold farmers. https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/13rgbzi/i_am_a_botter_gold_seller_at_the_start_of_every/
uneven mason
also i did something in the Tree area that pulled the enitre area
Do you take the center ramp or go hard right?
craggy pilot
Do you take the center ramp or go hard right?
hard right
craggy pilot
Do you take the center ramp or go hard right?
crude notch
love bh
proper roost
you want to pull more in 2nd area
you can add rot slimes to each pull relatively safely
and also just multi pull several of those all together because those packs are very deceptive
almost none of the mobs in each pack actually do anything
craggy pilot
yea i do that
uneven mason
The summoned lashers can pop under ground and cause the pack they're connected to to warp,
craggy pilot
i have anvil so i have to 😄
proper roost
Not talking about chain pulling
craggy pilot
would you pull anything in between 1-2 here?
proper roost
I mean you legit want to mount run ahead and have people pull behind like 3 packs altogether so you do like a 5 pack pull
cinder storm
Pull the pack between 1 and 2 for starters, thats what I do
crude notch
lol
craggy pilot
i pull next pack when casters die usually
uneven mason
would you pull anything in between 1-2 here?
I pull the patroller and pack between 1 and 2 into 2
craggy pilot
Pull the pack between 1 and 2 for starters, thats what I do
the pat or what?
cinder storm
pat and casters that are next to them in mdt
uneven mason
The entire hilltop
crude notch
Kanga you're a funny guy y'know
craggy pilot
so start is like this ye
uneven mason
Ya
proper roost
it has a warscourge iirc
craggy pilot
4 has no casters iirc
nah it only has a Warscourge
uneven mason
The early trash is ez as long as you have a tranqshot and kicks
cinder storm
also, do 8 before 6, so that you dont waste cds before boss, take pat from 6, and pull it with 8 instead if you can
craggy pilot
we had no Soothe so they would flee and be CC immune 😄
uneven mason
That's tbh why I do such wide pulls in the first area
Because fleeing means shit when the next dude is 200ft away
craggy pilot
do you do the bear patrol before the 3rd boss?
crude notch
you pull bear with boss if anything
craggy pilot
down to the left
uneven mason
TFW you get compliments for tank damage and you did absolutely shit, so you're left wondering how horrifying bad their previous tanks were
craggy pilot
you pull bear with boss if anything
not that one
crude notch
There's only one bear you pull
proper roost
wym not that one
crude notch
in the whole dungeon
crude notch
or should be pulling rather
uneven mason
Bridge bear
crude notch
21 bear is the only bear you should be pulling
proper roost
we are talking about the bridge bear
uneven mason
And patroller bear
uneven mason
pulled it, and the pack had a hunter in it that didnt move 😄
That is why you skip it
crude notch
You want to basically skip as many hunters in the dungeon as you can, that's the name of the game.
Then the dungeon is free af
crude notch
I don't do 25 or 26.
craggy pilot
the 25 seems very efficient %
but probably dangerous on higher key
pull 25 is 8% alone
craggy pilot
I don't do 25 or 26.
so like this?
or not the Warscourges either?
crude notch
tuesday
daring marlin
cuz this is wild lmao
crude notch
tuesday after reset is usually the play
daring marlin
bunch of goofy mfers atm
proper roost
probably reset day, no?
or like day after reset for alt runs
Pugging sark sounds unfun
scenic mural
In brack im at like 94% by the time i finish second boss
daring marlin
the issue is on tuesday when I did up to him the group I was in "nah we're done after echo"
and I was just like "you fuckin' wot"
crude notch
lusty grotto
yeah tuesday and if youre lucky wednesday
i got a decent group this week so got the kill on wednesday
after that the chances get slimmer
proper roost
tried to squeeze in a demon monday pug on my shaman and that was a terrible idea
lusty grotto
like i legit have to run my paladin through it and im not looking forward to it
daring marlin
I had a paladin telling flaming dps on zskarn as he was tanking the boss in traps
lusty grotto
ill probably do echo and stop there
daring marlin
that was pretty cool
lusty grotto
LOL
lusty grotto
idk if thats worse than just taunting off while still having stacks
cause ive seen a few tanks that keep doing that
daring marlin
downright bizarre
lusty grotto
was he in the traps as well
cause technically dps should be able to melee him from out of the fire
lusty grotto
lol
daring marlin
It was just all sorts of goofy
frozen rose
is Sudden Death procs for execute have higher priority over SS and TC?
frozen rose
gotcha. i feel like i often cannot even use the proc, esp in avatar windows. is what it is i gues
lusty grotto
this is only for ST, as Sudden Death is only taken here
modern brook
gotcha. i feel like i often cannot even use the proc, esp in avatar windows. is ...
Ud use it when ur tc doesn't reset your ss in avatar
lusty grotto
in fact on execute range, you should probably replace revenge use for execute
only in single target
uneven mason
Isn't it 3 targets where exe vs rev is a thing
uneven mason
But I mean, minmax who can think that fast..............
lusty grotto
but i was under the impression we were talking ST only
just making the clarification in case someone sees it
uneven mason
O that makes more sense
I actually have to be productive at work today so I'm only catch half of chat
Down 50% of my developers and work is piling up, had a new one start and I'm pretty sure "noped" out after they were assigned 44 tasks in their first 3 days.
uneven mason
Had to talk to the queue manager about not scaring the new guys off before they can write any scripts
waxen frigate
Down 50% of my developers and work is piling up, had a new one start and I'm pre...
Lmao rip
uneven mason
are they quitting cause of return to the office?
No, our parent company converted the office space into a rental conference hall for international clients
No return to office for us
waxen frigate
I started a new job recently and it’s been boring as hell so far
Wish it was work from home 😦
lusty grotto
No return to office for us
thank god for that
uneven mason
I started a new job recently and it’s been boring as hell so far
How are you at Node.js?
Want excitement
waxen frigate
Lmao
It’s $18hr with full benefits and easy work, if boring. I’ll take what I can get even if having to spend 11 hours between work and commute daily sucks
proper roost
how long's the commute?
waxen frigate
30-45min each way depending on traffic
My ass slept though my alarm this morning and arrived 20min late oops
proper roost
Yikes
crude notch
just be like me and be a 6-min walk from work
proper roost
i am lucky enough to have had a sub 15 for years now
moved even closer recently actually so it's <5
untold adder
yo; what talent should i drop for spell block?
crude notch
pins will help you with that answer
waxen frigate
moved even closer recently actually so it's <5
I live at home rn but if I stay at this job I’ll move closer to base
proper roost
when I had a 30 I just kept dozing off while driving home, sucked ass
legit moved because it was feeling insanely dangerous
crude notch
when i worked at starbucks my commute was 45 minutes one way and it was at 3am. That was spooky if I didn't get enough sleep the night before.
waxen frigate
A 45min commute to work at Starbucks holy shit
left basalt
crude notch
Yeah my jobs in my life have either been 35-45 minute drives or literal 5 minute walks.
jagged pier
proper roost
i just dont think I have the self control for purely wfh
I officezu twice a week and its great for my touch grass mental
crude notch
I work 3 days a week now, so I'm fine walking 700 feet to go to work to do what I'd just be doing at home anyways, playing wow.
Otherwise I'd be in my room 24/7 lol.
lusty grotto
idk about self control honestly, as long as i do my stuff within estimations and/or deadlines nobody should worry about what im doing in idle time
chilly brook
i just dont think I have the self control for purely wfh
I’ve basically made it a point to do a specific amount of work every week
lusty grotto
if you fail to do those then yeah self control is becoming a problem
chilly brook
TLDR I try to do as much work as I did while in office
But I simply get it done faster at home lol
lusty grotto
yeah its kind of the mmo mentality, get your chores done fast
shit done? then time to fuck around
crude notch
Yeah that's how I've always handled work
lusty grotto
there's also the point of, if youre mentally blocked on something at work, anything that's not work related is great to getting out of that block
at the office i just stepped out and had a walk
and ideas came pouring in
at home i just fucking alt tab and do something else lmao
with the same results
or better
proper roost
it's not really work related, it's moreso "actually go outside and touch grass" related
i had tuesday off for memorial day so i almost stayed inside for like 6 days straight this week
but decided to go for tacos on tuesday with a friend for actual sunlight 🙈
waxen frigate
i just dont think I have the self control for purely wfh
Oh I for sure don’t
I did wfh most of last year
And online school for last 1.5 years of college
My gpa plummeted
crude notch
it's not really work related, it's moreso "actually go outside and touch grass" ...
I get that 100%. With working only 3 days a week and it being so close I force myself to go out on Tuesdays with either my parents or a friend.
waxen frigate
I got turbo depressed
I commuted to school for one semester and it was the best I’ve ever done
proper roost
ya it's really bad in winter just have to force self to go outside for random shit just to get out of the house
waxen frigate
A 15-20min commute is perfect for me to shift my mindset
Whereas when I did WFH I’d just play wow half the day or more
final mist
WFH can't happen for me due to the nature of my job but I wish I could do it, I hate commuting and I spend a fair amount of time just sitting around
waxen frigate
This time last year I was a covid case investigator and cases were at an all time low. I literally would make 3-5 phone calls, then play wow for 3 hours. Repeat calls as needed, play wow for 3 hours. One last round of calls, play wow until clock out
It was GOATed tbh
crude notch
I play WoW more at work than at home some weeks.
lusty grotto
see school is a bit different, the way i see it
the social experience even if you aren't very social is important
just seeing people etc
work just isn't the same thing
crude notch
I can't even fathom school during COVID. I'd hang out with classmates at the local Panera for hours during university and that would just not be a thing.
lusty grotto
agreed it would suck
dont get me wrong im sure there are people that can do it and prefer it but
idk being in the dungeon during school just seems depressing in itself
crude notch
I'm fairly anti social but during school I needed to be around people without even talking it was big.
Freaking trick my brain into "well everyone else is doing school work I better"
waxen frigate
Being a federal contractor is fun. I’ve had to resubmit the same pdf 4 times now because I’ve apparently been told how to fill it out incorrectly 4 times
lusty grotto
lol
crude notch
Lol
lusty grotto
bureaucratic red tape can be fucking stupid, but also amounts to idle time
so ive learned to not mind it
"well the ball is in your court" kind of thing
waxen frigate
And this computer is so fucking slow
waxen frigate
"well the ball is in your court" kind of thing
Yes I have been working on this form for about 45min
lusty grotto
now the slow computer is something i absolutely detest
waxen frigate
Yeah I’m kinda losing my mind when it can’t even keep up with me typing
untold adder
nelt nelt nelt nelt nelt nelt nelt
lusty grotto
final mist
Starting to look like my UR weeks
fluid beacon
killed Mythic Rashok last night on my prot. honestly easiest fight of my life. i died in the last 20 seconds though like a fucking newb
but feels good
people talking shit about prot warrior being bad and not good on that fight
ez game
crude notch
Who's people so I can kill them
fluid beacon
anyone of you playing with Beacon and Forgestorm? i dont have either yet and been grinding goddamn neltharus for it
lusty grotto
i dont have forgestorm yet, i got one early on the season but champion level
crude notch
Okay I won't kill your guild, that sounds messy
waxen frigate
people talking shit about prot warrior being bad and not good on that fight
Tank choice isn’t relevant on that fight other than PPal trivializing part of it
fluid beacon
Tank choice isn’t relevant on that fight other than PPal trivializing part of it
exactly
i told them that fight is all full send
waxen frigate
Bubble taunt kinda GOATed tho
fluid beacon
they were talking about going super defensive and shit
i said kids.... sit down an dlemme tell you something
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
i think that sums it up
fluid beacon
and enjoy the show
final mist
I have a Beacon but no Pogstorm
fluid beacon
beacon is so insane dude
final mist
Beacon 
lusty grotto
the vault gods will never grant it
fluid beacon
my healer has it. he did 20k+ dps as a holy priest with that shit rofl
waxen frigate
yall never find us prot warriors go full defense mode
I’m a brew main, I know the feeling. I have the top post-nerf brew Dps on m rashok 😤
crude notch
Shit dice bro
cinder storm
Well, theres 2 99 roll there, thats 50/50, so would suck to be on the losing side, I think losing a 99/100 roll is worse
lusty grotto
im the 22 roll
crude notch
An L is an L
lusty grotto
btw the mage fucking won
cinder storm
I know, I'm saying one of those 2 99 rollers were probably on the edge of their seats
lusty grotto
feels bad for that warrior
cinder storm
crude notch
I never check what I rolled. I just walk away like a gigachad
lusty grotto
lol
daring marlin
😉
CAN A BROTHER GET 4PC AND AN ASHKANDUR PLS
I'M SICK OF BEATING OTHER RETS WITH BOTH
chilly brook
CAN A BROTHER GET 4PC AND AN ASHKANDUR PLS
No
fluid beacon
I’m a brew main, I know the feeling. I have the top post-nerf brew Dps on m rash...
my bro co tank is crying like a bitch about the dps nerf
lmao
daring marlin
hah what a loser
chilly brook
Imagine
final mist
CAN A BROTHER GET 4PC AND AN ASHKANDUR PLS
Ashkandur would be nice...
waxen frigate
my bro co tank is crying like a bitch about the dps nerf
Yeah very cool that we weren’t even on top and now we’re near the bottom 😄
chilly brook
Yeah very cool that we weren’t even on top and now we’re near the bottom 😄
I mean depends on the context
daring marlin
not terrible when adds spawn on sark at least
chilly brook
Brew was stupid in keys
waxen frigate
Brew was stupid in keys
Still not that far above VDH pre-nerf
waxen frigate
Brew was stupid*
We weren’t even top tank Dps in raid 🤔
chilly brook
We weren’t even top tank Dps in raid 🤔
Bear has giga damage in raid but then you’d have to be bear
waxen frigate
True
waxen frigate
they're drunken buffoons
U literally main an angry man
daring marlin
I main a holy crusader
waxen frigate
Even worse
daring marlin
😛
chilly brook
I just wish Brew wasn’t so clunky rn
fringe gust
If you were to stay in Defensive Stance an entire fight does it show up in logs?
chilly brook
So many damn CDs lmfao
waxen frigate
Prot pala opinion detected 🥴
waxen frigate
So many damn CDs lmfao
How bout you CDs nuts
daring marlin
Ashkandur would be nice...
My Warrior has it. SORRY
crude notch
Ain't no way
waxen frigate
There’s definitely bloat
fringe gust
Yes
So on this fight, if I’m looking at it right whoever it was didn’t have a stance active? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/h7krBVvat8jwCm1X#fight=25&type=auras&source=9&start=0&end=0
waxen frigate
Speaking of my DK
crude notch
IDK, PWar has same number of CDs to me
chilly brook
I just don’t like having exploding keg, bonedust brew, statue and WoO
Like kinda clunky to press everything right away
waxen frigate
Pwarr in late shadowlands was harder than current brew
chilly brook
On top of all the other rotational buttons
waxen frigate
Like kinda clunky to press everything right away
Agreed
chilly brook
Pwarr in late shadowlands was harder than current brew
Not really
waxen frigate
The 1sec GCD helps though
chilly brook
Prot in late SL was the same as it always was
waxen frigate
The APM requirement was insane with banner
chilly brook
It just was about being more efficient with rage
crude notch
Remove WoO from GCD easy life
chilly brook
The apm was the same lol
waxen frigate
Remove WoO from GCD easy life
Please god
waxen frigate
The apm was the same lol
🤔
daring marlin
hmmmm yes apm with banner laughs in bfa haste corruption
crude notch
TD
waxen frigate
Pwarr just felt so hectic to me, and I know I’m not alone in that. I think it was the 2nd best tank behind BDK but it was so difficult and unforgiving that most people thought it was shit
crude notch
It's because reprisal was dog shit gameplay
chilly brook
🤔
The only difference is you casted IP a bit more because of set bonus and constant rage gen of banner
It wasn’t massively inflated
waxen frigate
It's because reprisal was dog shit gameplay
Reprisal too
Reprisal was actually what made me unwilling to play my warr anymore
Lemme just ping pong around for rage and hope I don’t get one tapped in the back while I do it
crude notch
Anyone that liked reprisal can DM me for a referral to a therapist
waxen frigate
Tbf though at least it was more fun than BDK
crude notch
DMing you now Griff
lusty grotto
i hated it when i resubbed
chilly brook
But it wasn’t the worst
waxen frigate
S4 BDK is the least fun spec I’ve ever played
lusty grotto
but it grew on me
chilly brook
DMing you now Griff
Go ahead but guess what?
daring marlin
Reprisal was good
chilly brook
It’s still optimal to charge weave
daring marlin
WHY NOT
crude notch
Guilford I used to think you were based
chilly brook
Like I said
Still optimal to charge weave
Reprisal just actually made it mandatory
daring marlin
Maybe my perception is skewed cuz I quit after S2.
I thought the extra SB and rage was neat
chilly brook
I didn’t like it at the start
stark jewel
yo guys, is there a WA to track the 4set bonus?
lusty grotto
fuck reprisal in s1/s2
chilly brook
But I developed a like for it
crude notch
Griff the simple fact that you're putting them on the same level just makes me sad
Like
final mist
I'm gonna say it
crude notch
It always has been
final mist
I miss battle cry Shield slam spam
astral crystal
I remember there was a reprisal cult in this discord
daring marlin
LMAO
final mist
Hitting BC every 20 seconds and spamming SS for the next 6 was fun
crude notch
Wouldn't surprise me
astral crystal
tfw still played the wall all throughout SL 😏
crude notch
With the level of cringe I'm hearing right now
daring marlin
I'm in the minority anyway
final mist
I remember there was a reprisal cult in this discord
There's always a weird counter culture cult here, and it's always the same people... curious
daring marlin
Spear ganggang
chilly brook
Reprisal itself was a bandaid
daring marlin
always and forever
crude notch
Speaking of weird counter culture
Now you're just making words up
karmic plinth
charging into a pack and getting shield block ready felt great
daring marlin
I actually genuinely liked the artifact ability
chilly brook
I actually genuinely liked the artifact ability
It was good, it just wasn’t good for damage
lusty grotto
fuck reprisal in s1 SL, end of story
karmic plinth
running out of a pack to charge because you ran out of block did not
chilly brook
I would welcome it back tbh
astral crystal
There's always a weird counter culture cult here, and it's always the same peopl...
?
lusty grotto
reprisal in s4 though... yeah thats okay
chilly brook
Having on demand crit block was nutty
lusty grotto
oh no
chilly brook
Stahp
crude notch
🙂
karmic plinth
Having on demand crit block was nutty
imagine this for jailers buster
final mist
Do you guys remember the "just stack mastery lol" guys on mythic argus
lusty grotto
now that there be a bait
final mist
IP on the GCD
I'm revoking your prot warrior privileges
lusty grotto
Do you guys remember the "just stack mastery lol" guys on mythic argus
yes lol
they were constant
crude notch
Something tells me one singular change didn't make you stop playing for two expansions.
daring marlin
For two extensions
It literally went away within one patch
crude notch
Especially since yeah it lasted only a patch
lusty grotto
there was at least one notable guy a day going off about it
daring marlin
and frankly it felt bad but it wasn't even that big of a deal
meh?
in avatar you just alternated ip and clap
cuz avatar was broken as fuck with clap then
UF is a shell now!
final mist
I think my favorite legion meme is still the "i solo tanked star augur when you guys said prot warrior couldn't do it even tho no one actually ever said that" guy meme
daring marlin
I'm spittin'
final mist
Back to back bad takes
First time?
lusty grotto
sal cmon, the best legion meme was 🥑
final mist
Oh true
daring marlin
cuz it didn't stop me doing big dam in S1
final mist
Star Augur guy is a close second tho
crude notch
LMAO 🥑
lusty grotto
lol star augur guy
crude notch
cyan escarp
I have no clue what to craft next im Considering either normal Neck or ring what do you guys think https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/draenor/kello ??
chilly brook
Remember when people said prot was bad
And you basically ended up needing them for mythic kj
lusty grotto
but legion haha
yea
the sco memes were good
i still have one cause he looks like that guy from Apex
final mist
God I fucking hated Sco for several reasons, and that was a big one
oblique kayak
the amount of „lol play pala“ o gurt if i q for a 17 ( 441 Ilv - 2670 io) is fun yeah
daring marlin
???
lusty grotto
here it is
daring marlin
What?
final mist
I hate stupid fucking wow personalities who do stupid fucking tier lists with a passion
Especially when the people making them can't tell their head from their ass
final mist
remember when indom was trash?
"But it's 10% max hp surely it's good??"
oblique kayak
God I fucking hated Sco for several reasons, and that was a big one
still is
chilly brook
you jerks are making me want to go back to being a tank
chilly brook
I hate stupid fucking wow personalities who do stupid fucking tier lists with a ...
Max is about the only one that I actually even pay attention to
final mist
Max too
lusty grotto
i mean i dont even pay attention to max's tier lists
chilly brook
and that's because he doesn't make the list he has people making the class rate their class lmfao
chilly brook
I don't put a huge amount of stock into it
daring marlin
dorki kinda based tho
lusty grotto
they do good content, do great keys, but their tier lists are more personal than anything
chilly brook
but it's about the only one I'll watch just to hear people say their class isn't OP when it is
final mist
The problem is that people who consume their content don't have brains
daring marlin
He acknowledged pally is amazing but gets fucking shredded in freehold
which it does
lusty grotto
The problem is that people who consume their content don't have brains
ya
well guilford he has great opinions, same as naowh, same as max
but tier lists are just... tier lists
daring marlin
well yeah
unfortunately there are people who like them
even in fighting games tier lists are a meme
lusty grotto
people just want fast digested information
daring marlin
league gamers prolly remember elementz tier lists and how much shit he got for them
lmao
lusty grotto
i dont blame the masses either tbh
well, i kind of do but at the same time i understand
cinder storm
they do
chilly brook
where?
cinder storm
under stances, seals and what not
chilly brook
not seeing it under buffs
strong forum
If you never changed stance from before the log began, it doesn't show up
waxen frigate
Dorki has some genuinely baffling takes
I much prefer Naowh when it comes to high end tank takes
restive scroll
It literally went away within one patch
Too late, work got in the way :∆
chilly brook
So on this fight, if I’m looking at it right whoever it was didn’t have a stance...
there you have it, he just never changed stances
silk kiln
Is the embellish shield any good
final mist
No
chilly brook
he had one on just didn't change from whatever it was
silk kiln
Kk Ty
cinder storm
Dorki is just very biased to his dk and bear, and naowh has zaelia who carries hard, but dorki has that deep voice which is better for my ears
lusty grotto
both played warrior correctly so
they have my respect
now lets talk about nerf
LOL
chilly brook
Dorki is probably the most based tank content creator
lusty grotto
sorry i misspelled nerfbadatwarleechversaleechversa
strong forum
I refrain to comment on that
chilly brook
Naowh doesn't love warrior but at least he acknowledges when it's actually likely good
sick sentinel
i am just simply running Shadowflame armor patch X 2
waxen frigate
I mostly dislike dorki’s takes on monk. They’re not as bad as nerf’s though. Pretty sure he actively hates brew. Dorki just doesn’t understand it that well
sick sentinel
ilvl 437 in belt and shield embellishments and then boots with food buff
uneven mason
I mostly dislike dorki’s takes on monk. They’re not as bad as nerf’s though. Pre...
Brm went from 1 button to 27, I hate it too
sick sentinel
my 2 embellishments are 437 and my boots are 424
waxen frigate
Brm went from 1 button to 27, I hate it too
🤔
chilly brook
But one never stops being a tank
You know what the worst part about this is? It's the tanks who do really dumb things or are actively bad at their class that make me feel some type of way and really make me consider going back to tanking
lusty grotto
the only reason i have "kind of" watched nerf lately is cause iu watch Ellesemere because hes a god tier holy paladin and always has been
waxen frigate
Ellesmere is the epitome of a Paladin main
cinder storm
brm was my first tank ever in bfa, but I stopped playing it because it felt like a snoozefest at the time, and I was pretty new into the game
chilly brook
I miss WoD BrM
lusty grotto
im convinced he literally carries nerf
waxen frigate
Ellesmere is the epitome of a Paladin main
If you know you know
lusty grotto
cause holy fuck nerf sucks
waxen frigate
Lol
cinder storm
most dps/healers carry tanks
sick sentinel
You know what the worst part about this is? It's the tanks who do really dumb th...
you could team up with bullfango to do a log review if i ever post a better key
karmic plinth
he has a really good team
daring marlin
The Nerf hate in here is amusing.
cinder storm
I'm convinced zaelia carries his whole team, no one can change my mind
chilly brook
Being a good tank in the context of M+ isn't being good at your class
waxen frigate
Being a good tank in the context of M+ isn't being good at your class
This
This this this
chilly brook
it's being good at routing and stops/pulling around your group
lusty grotto
much less now
waxen frigate
Being a good M+ tank is much more meta-knowledge than spec knowledge
lusty grotto
that was true before DF, and even more so now
fringe gust
there you have it, he just never changed stances
Thank you
ruby musk
Being a good tank in the context of M+ isn't being good at your class
Now why would you say something so controversial, yet so brave.
cinder storm
You also need to be likeable of sorts at that level and be level headed, can't push for 8 hours every day while raging your team
waxen frigate
I hate when people are like “x streamer got to y io as this spec, I think they know more about it than you” nah bro I’ve literally seen some cooked shit in terms of builds, talent understanding, etc
You just need to be a good player who’s flexible and quick to learn
And then have insane m+ knowledge/skills
You don’t need to be an expert on a spec to push hard with it, particularly a tank
jagged pier
daring marlin
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MOOD LOL
ruby musk
Just memorize every mob, ability, mechanic, cheese, etc. Then learn all the other classes to know pros/cons for pulls and timing. Then just don't get clapped.
cinder storm
I remember when ellesmere and billy were with Redwoyer back in the day, I don't remember what team nerf had
waxen frigate
That’s not to say any of these high end key tanks suck at various specs
ruby musk
Its just that easy
waxen frigate
They’re insanely good players
daring marlin
nerf played with jb and shak
waxen frigate
And they’re at the top for a reason
untold adder
its all about repetition and actually looking out for what the stuff does
waxen frigate
It just annoys me when people treat their opinions on specs they barely understand as gospel
ruby musk
It just annoys me when people treat their opinions on specs they barely understa...
Dude, don't even get me started. I fucking go through the ringer whenever my guild dps say dumb shit for tanking when they literally have no clue.
chilly brook
Thank you
F, man didn't block every physical hit of the tank combo sheeeesh
I need to learn these fights so I can actually deep dive on these logs
rn I just press Dragonrage and breath fire on people
waxen frigate
It just annoys me when people treat their opinions on specs they barely understa...
It also annoys me when people act like streamers are dogshit and hard carried though. They clearly understand enough to be good. I see it in a lot of class discords, particularly when streamers run builds or gear that doesn’t line up with recommended stuff from discords/guides
Just egos all around
chilly brook
It also annoys me when people act like streamers are dogshit and hard carried th...
Welll..........
cinder storm
It just annoys me when people treat their opinions on specs they barely understa...
"Where is your codex?" - DPS brains
chilly brook
Streamers running bad talents or trinkets doesn't make them right