sometimes if I lose aggro at start of pull and I dont have any major hard hitting buttons up to press, I jus throw out like 3 revenges in a row
#protection
sonic tangle
I yoinked the anvil trinket last night from heroic making our DPS madge 
toxic pewter
but sometimes it can help me
crude notch
I yoinked the anvil trinket last night from heroic making our DPS madge <:peepoB...
niceeeee
ripe seal
Any reason as to not craft a 447 neck? Already got 2x embellishments with shield and belt
left basalt
I yoinked the anvil trinket last night from heroic making our DPS madge <:peepoB...
Did the same with a 441 belt with socket >.>
toxic pewter
Any reason as to not craft a 447 neck? Already got 2x embellishments with shield...
I crafted neck this week with flavor pocket I enjoy it so far
ripe seal
Just heard from random people that "crafting neck is kinda int"
toxic pewter
I mean gl finding a better neck this season
ripe seal
But it's like the biggest Ilvl upgrade i can get so far + i need the embellishment so
ripe seal
Only neck i can really see is worth instead is the one from VP
strong forum
why would neck be inting
daring marlin
Spicy chat today
crude notch
yeah why
strong forum
there is only 1 big haste neck
and its with mastery
every other neck in the game is low haste
crude notch
Guilford, where were you!
quiet minnow
st or aoe? like m+ or raid?
ripe seal
Yeah i wasn't quite sure why people were saying it was int, just wanted to make sure so i don't waste the spark
quiet minnow
if you have issues with doing good dps all the time, you can make sure at least that you have some rage before you taunt to send like a S
SS/SC/Demo into boss
big threat bonus from taunt and a couple big dam abilities should ensure you keep threat for a while
daring marlin
Guilford, where were you!
I was BUSY. Now I'm getting lunch.
dusk wadi
st or aoe? like m+ or raid?
m+, I still have old tier tho. Not sure if that matters
prisma crane
new tier wont change aoe threat until well into a pull anyways
you just mostly want to hit your buttons as often as you can, dont hold CDs
ripe seal
Are there any stat DRs? Like if you reach 35% haste gives you less and less
prisma crane
ss whenever it's up, tc/revenge in between
dusk wadi
Yeah I dont really, my struggle is at the beginning of the pull mainly
prisma crane
there are but nothing worth worrying about, especially this season where high haste gear isnt as common
esp if you have our two best rings which dont have haste at all..
dusk wadi
Like just a bit ago I was in underrot and pulled my group, looked at one thing on my bar and then I lost everything
dusk wadi
didn't know shield charge was 360
prisma crane
and try to bind everything you can
quiet minnow
m+, I still have old tier tho. Not sure if that matters
sc is only 45s so basically every pull and so is ava/demo. if you ava>charge>demo>shield charge>tc it should be very hard for anyone to rip thread for the rest of the pack
prisma crane
the main hit isnt, the additionals are, added benefit to SC is getting a decent start to your block going
quiet minnow
throw in a challening shout for larger packs or more challenging pulls to gather
when in your ava you can basically do ss>tc>ss>tc>ss>tc and use rev/ip to avoid overcapping
prisma crane
and a dumb question, do you have nameplates that show threat?
quiet minnow
but you can send tc every other gcd
fresh igloo
I've been really appreciating titanic throw for starting off pulls and grabbing adds with a nice padding of threat this season.
prisma crane
its incredibly useful to help hold agro on large pulls
fresh igloo
and a dumb question, do you have nameplates that show threat?
generally a good idea in some fashion.
i started using the plater profile from dorki and it feels pretty good to me
prisma crane
and you can benefit from swapping targets as you SS while you build threat
quiet minnow
I've been really appreciating titanic throw for starting off pulls and grabbing ...
yeah i find myself even just tab targeting norm throw sometimes
dusk wadi
and a dumb question, do you have nameplates that show threat?
yeah, im still pretty new I guess. So this is helping for sure
quiet minnow
havent tried titanic yet but was considering it
prisma crane
i still need to swap to plater, but im still an old tidy plates guy
fresh igloo
I've been running a modified version of the pinned build for some QoL choices
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if it helps
but yeah the primary thing to resolve with threat issues is using good rotation/CDs and target swapping your big ST hits early on if necessary
wooden widget
esp if you have our two best rings which dont have haste at all..
Two best rings?
quiet minnow
yeah, im still pretty new I guess. So this is helping for sure
i think the most challenging thing for new war tank is first realizing that tc is actually huge fuckin damage during avatar, since most ppl (me included) didnt do a good job of reading talents
and that it is up basically every other gcd during ava, which is up basically all the time
and then not just spamming ip
fresh igloo
i think the issue with losing threat may often be related to not realizing something is JUST outside of your TC or Revenge and then DPS starts unloading.
have to be more intentional with the targets that are spread a little further
(which is where titanic throw really helps me since it spreads so far)
deft mortar
@strong forum yo howdy, what's your ST sim like now lmaoo
strong forum
437
strong forum
i simmed 61k in s1 🥹 with all buffs
wooden widget
Are you wearing eggnog ring ?
strong forum
yes i have eragon ring
deft mortar
Cuz garbage trinkets
wary spire
Why do all my 441 rings sim worse than the onyx still? that feels awful bros
strong forum
cuz the rings were buffed to be usable for dps
yet healers and tanks pay the price to equip em cuz they overbuffed em
deft mortar
I was 417
deft mortar
didnt play since S1 :S
prisma crane
Two best rings?
Anulet and Eranog ring
wooden widget
Oh gotcha. Yeah I wish they didn’t exist tbh
But I can’t bring myself to delete them
astral crystal
Pretty sure paracausal fragments are gonna replace rings
ion said the nerf date for rings was 10.1.5
so say goodbye to a trinket slot 
toxic pewter
yah I like it gave the achievement too
quiet minnow
Why stay anon pfp
Tbh I don’t ever change pfp in anything
sick sentinel
tempted to get the mount and freez the horns
quiet minnow
In tft I used base ghost guy
daring marlin
6.5 hours
crude notch
i wish people would stop facepulling ogres in FH
them fuckers punch face off
inb4, huehue just block 4head
strong forum
pulling 3 ogres ontop of ludwig is my favourite part of the dungeon tho
crude notch
that's so toxic, i had an enhance and a ret. I would've never heard the end of it
sick sentinel
i remember when the pig used to land in 1 spot only and the whole team could do that even in 0.2 seconds
strong forum
*not recommended for the average player
quiet minnow
jk i love you never change
I’m just a default guy lmao
crude notch
this my ludwig pull
The thing I took most damage from in this FH I just did (outside of melee ofc) was rotten food.
crude notch
lmao
crude notch
13 seems wicked efficient
toxic pewter
might as well cut that 2nd pack in 12 and just do it with 13
sick sentinel
depends if this pack got pulled earlier or not
it gets ass pulled or normal pulled alot
crude notch
oh do you just hug right and skip that pack?
sick sentinel
the arrow is towards a building that has stairs
and you can jump off the back and miss those guys entirely
doesn't work well with bad players or like hunter pets especially can ass pul that if they jumpover with pets up
i think you can even just, walk behind it, but i don't remember
cinder nova
Oh cool, 10.1.5 and paladins get buffs to mana and regen, and nothing to damage 🫠 I guess being thousands of DPS ahead of the pack is fine, but when warriors are in the same spot we get regular incremental nerfs.
daring marlin
pulling 3 ogres ontop of ludwig is my favourite part of the dungeon tho
OG BFA tech
I like it
cinder nova
Although VDH and Guard cranking too
daring marlin
that's so toxic, i had an enhance and a ret. I would've never heard the end of ...
Ret can outrange the circle 🤔
dusky canopy
Triple ogre Ludwig
Now that’s something
Basically a bunch “walk out of circle”
Doesn’t sound to insane
Pugs probably can’t handle dodging floor and shells though ngl
cursive jacinth
Hello all. I have used two Shadowflame patch on sword and shield. I am about to craft one on frost fire belt. What are you all using Shadowflame-Tempered Armor Patch on?
dark lark
God I feel so useless with the new affixes as a prot warrior
fresh igloo
it sounds like shattering throw is back for next time incorp comes up at least
crude notch
Oh cool, 10.1.5 and paladins get buffs to mana and regen, and nothing to damage ...
the buffs to mana and regen are a meme. chill
fresh igloo
Hello all. I have used two Shadowflame patch on sword and shield. I am about to ...
you can only have 2 throughput embellishments on your gear at a time
crude notch
And it's across all hybrids
fresh igloo
Hello all. I have used two Shadowflame patch on sword and shield. I am about to ...
i have mine on boots and belt
crude notch
And if you think PPal is the top damage tank in keys rn, oh boy.
And the only boss fight in raid they're top damage on rn is Echo
sick sentinel
whats the best way to fill the 1500 niffen bar
fresh igloo
researchers under fire 12/12 has a rep token in the bag for like 1k
thin silo
it sounds like shattering throw is back for next time incorp comes up at least
Three minute CD means it can't be used except for emergencies, and has a 1.5s cast
icy bane
molten harbor
Question , is warrior tanking right now just bad with agro. My off tank keeps ripping agro from me in raid.
fresh igloo
post a log
molten harbor
post a log
Bearserker is me.
we rip agro off each other all the time. I personally rip agro when I use avatar and shield charge.
sick sentinel
ones a champion the ohers a veteran weapon
sick sentinel
there, bit better, have a set of 424 2-hands now
fresh igloo
so it's not just him ripping from you, it's also you ripping from him?
seems like both of you are doing pretty low DPS
your TC and Revenge seems SUPER low, what's going on there?
humble prawn
Which Phials do you guys use for m+ and why?
daring marlin
Tepid vers
fresh igloo
tepid vers for everything because it's consistent
final mist
Vers because I'm too lazy to buy Storm
sick sentinel
yogi agent of chaos
modern brook
insane that you have an addon that just lies to you
prisma crane
eye is better than vers phial as soon as you get 2 or more stacks
how long do those stacks last for?
sick sentinel
strong forum
how long do those stacks last for?
like 5
prisma crane
its that brief?
strong forum
its based on getting hit
yes
if youre in a large pull you just have +7% dmg
perma
cursive jacinth
Hey all quick question. How do you drop bleed effect?
hallow phoenix
All about the tryhard str phial for trash, vers for boss
Evoker dispel or dwarf or have a pally bop you. Dying also does the trick
cursive jacinth
lol
sick sentinel
luffa
proper roost
Basically a bunch “walk out of circle”
I mean it's the same as the VP first pull except way less shitty
and also rdps have to move even less
and like 3-5 melee specs can actually reach the giant from the edge of their circles lol
lusty tiger
Something cool
charred ivy
was it zkarn ppl said rogue or w/e slow for less dmg?
warm plinth
I think something is wrong with me because that looks fun as fuck
proper roost
outside of mechagon, don't those kinds of gauntlets usually have like a
"if one person got through, disables traps for everyone else" thing
warm plinth
This one has a summoning stone on the other side
proper roost
that'd be pretty adequate in this scenario i think, also still fun if you're owning
warm plinth
Not memeing
proper roost
Lmao
crude notch
yeah there's a portal at the end
molten harbor
your TC and Revenge seems SUPER low, what's going on there?
I was told not use revenge unless it was free.
fresh igloo
who told you that
because you should probably disregard any other advice they gave you as well
strong forum
That info
Is 3 years old
Ever since SL revenge is a good button
In bfa it did fuckall dmg, it was only there as filler and to apply deepwounds
molten harbor
what do I do if im rage starved and i need to do defensives?
strong forum
Don't starve yourself beforehand
It means you managed your rage poorly beforehand
Don't empy the tank unless you know you can fill it quickly again
molten harbor
Ugh I hate devestaor
rancid ember
Why? lol
quiet minnow
I don’t want more buttons so I like it
molten harbor
no filler sucks ass
strong forum
You're doing these 1 or 2 mistakes:
- you send too much IP
- you send too much revenge
Your filler is revenge...
You're just playing poorly
rancid ember
We have plenty of buttons to manage. Nice to not worry about a spammable 1, but I hear you
quiet minnow
no filler sucks ass
I don’t even have room for a “filler” in the classical sense
strong forum
I have no downtime in pressing buttons
molten harbor
alright thanks for the help
strong forum
Pwar is a gigantic rage management class
The more rage you generate the more you spend
Which allows you to get more CDs
Which means more rage again
Outburst Management also means more rage
Therefor rage = rage
Don't send IP and empty your tank if you don't have SS ready
SS is your utmost priority over everything
Treat revenge as your tool to reset SS when TC is on CD
strong forum
Also play the correct talent build
molten harbor
is my build not correct?
strong forum
If you're playing the wowhead build you're likely playing barbaric training, which easily rage starves you
Don't play barbaric training
dusky canopy
I have no downtime in pressing buttons
I was going to say this too before I read it
If you press SS and TC as much as possible
You will not have empty globals
molten harbor
what im saying about that is i miss sunder armor with devestate
dusky canopy
It’s fine to have that opinion my man but I must say I hard disagree with it
Devastator owns
mighty valley
in the past having a filler button was good when everything else had cooldowns
mighty valley
but these days there's literally no space to press a filler button
daring marlin
dusky canopy
If they ever add another rotational button my keybind setup is going to explode
thick glacier
You guys think warrior prot will get a buff?
crude notch
🎱
molten harbor
mighty valley
i kept the devastate slot on my bars for all of SL just in case they retuned and made devastator ass again
daring marlin
molten harbor
But yeah. Last time I tanked was back in legion. Guild needed a tank so I picked it back up.
molten harbor
i remember our relic weapon ability was pretty much useless in m+
fresh igloo
But yeah. Last time I tanked was back in legion. Guild needed a tank so I picked...
if you haven't touched a spec in multiple expansions, assume things have changed heh
crude notch
not the drug brew, chill
proper roost
tbf most specs are really similar to their legion counterparts
It's actually really wonky to unlearn that kind of muscle memory I feel
molten harbor
I've been a warrior since WoTLK
proper roost
But also just read the talents imo good starting point
molten harbor
haven't swapped once. Just spec.
crude notch
I've been a warrior since I came out the womb.
prisma crane
i remember our relic weapon ability was pretty much useless in m+
it had some pretty useful moments, it was basically an immunity for its short duration, i just wish we could move during it
dusky canopy
I was conceived a warrior duh
crude notch
But also just read the talents imo good starting point
I'm actually baffled by the number of people that have simply just not done this.
dusky canopy
Otherwise I wouldn’t of beat the rest
proper roost
usually people who make being x class for y years their identity are not very good at it tbh
thats like a really good recipe to not be able to keep up with class changes
(also boomer fingers)
dusky canopy
So like for the longest time I was a slap wowhead build and jam kinda guy
Once I took the time to read abilities and talents
The game clicked hard
Now of course in years past we’re talking what like 7 talents
But ye
It makes all the difference especially now
civic compass
Is it just me or is prot warr realy bad rn, when it comes to surviving. I deal massive damage both in raid and m+, and i'm serious, massive overalls but whenever it's about surviving i'm done for, i do know my defs and what i can reflect etc etc, i'm not a newbie, just looking on other boys playing paladin or monk they're absolutely immortal
proper roost
the current talent iteration is just granular enough that it requires you to actually read them i feel
molten harbor
Yeah... I should really do that. I just picked the talents that were sugested and started tanking for the guild since they needed a tank. I played fury warrior through bfa to the end of season 1 of DF
proper roost
you could kinda get away with not for a while
civic compass
i'm a 3.1k / casual mythic raider, i do not consider playing it poorly.
daring marlin
Can't wait to get home and take a cold ass shower
dusky canopy
I was speaking generally
crude notch
That's the problem 3.1k casual mythic raider, doesn't actually mean you're good
No offense
I'm not saying you're bad, I'm just saying those things don't automatically make you good
civic compass
when it comes to surviving, everything we do paladins or monks just do better, dps this lower priority this season then being able to survive massive oneshots that can happen
daring marlin
Then I go hit legs, get home and D4!
crude notch
I've had co-tanks who had 3% uptime on ironskin brew get N'zoth kills
dusky canopy
Again speaking generally, some of the highest rated Prot warriors right now don’t even play the spec properly, FYI
crude notch
All we can do is speculate, especially since you haven't provided us any context or logs.
dusky canopy
This is a team game one average player can get very far with above average team mates
torn gulch
I've had co-tanks who had 3% uptime on ironskin brew get N'zoth kills
I'm gonna puke
wtf
dusky canopy
Anyhow do you have specific questions or logs of your deaths
That will get you better responses
prisma crane
Is it just me or is prot warr realy bad rn, when it comes to surviving. I deal m...
it's the damage profiles. fwiw defensively is where we actually keep up mostly, the bigger issue is our dmg output is much lower than other specs, esp VDH and Bear
the raid just has a few fights with heavy sustained magic dmg, something we've always struggled with
daring marlin
when it comes to surviving, everything we do paladins or monks just do better, d...
Depends entirely on what you're tanking. Warriors are still the kings of physical damage tanking.
prisma crane
^ take freehold, it fucks tanks, but since its mostly physical it doesnt feel bad on warrior
civic compass
Well, i'm hardstuck in Neltharus atm, where almost everything is fire damage, that might be the case
dusky canopy
Well blazing slash claps cheeks
civic compass
When you mention it, yes, freehold is very easy for me
dusky canopy
If that’s what’s killing you
prisma crane
is that the thing the wardens do? i just use reflect on it
dusky canopy
Yes
crude notch
Yes
prisma crane
helps take the edge off
prisma crane
can also use spell block and afk, yea
daring marlin
Well, i'm hardstuck in Neltharus atm, where almost everything is fire damage, th...
Fun fact: That shit fucks all tanks.
prisma crane
if you have spell block it does nothing
daring marlin
DK prolly handles it best, but yeah this ^
prisma crane
yea, they're spaced enough where it doesnt matter much
crude notch
If you think brew doesn't get clapped in neltharus, oh boy
restive fulcrum
I've only done up to a 21 in Nelth, but it didn't seem so bad on a tanking stance as long as you rotate coolies on the double warden pull
daring marlin
DK could prolly take two at the same time and just one DS full heals them 
prisma crane
i just want a straight up 10% dmg aura
dusky canopy
At least
daring marlin
I'd be cool with that
prisma crane
yes, at least
better still, just make defensive stance have no dmg reduction and give us dmg amp in battle
restive fulcrum
How are you guys feeling for trinkets this season? Currently running braken tank trinket + the new raid's icon replacement for party-wise vers.
prisma crane
i want my beacon to hit harder
prisma crane
How are you guys feeling for trinkets this season? Currently running braken tank...
i use beacon and mark of dargrul, i like em
dusky canopy
Man dstance having no damage reduction tied too it would be massive
civic compass
Mark of Darguul / Anvil, no beacon yet q_q
torn gulch
heart of thunder/mark offensively, talisman/mark defensively
prisma crane
Man dstance having no damage reduction tied too it would be massive
yea it just hurts knowing that we're behind in damage (by a non insignificant amount) without even using D stance really
dusky canopy
Yeahhh sadge
daring marlin
i want my beacon to hit harder
1.2m guaranteed on 5+ targets isn't enough for you!?!?
prisma crane
nope
daring marlin
smh size queen
prisma crane
triple that shit
torn gulch
yea that not gonna heppen
daring marlin
no shit silly
prisma crane
that said, another QoL change that would be a dmg buff as well would be for 4p to not only last after LS, but work during it as well
daring marlin
let the man dream
dusky canopy
Imagine a 5 minute CD but it does 5millie
prisma crane
it's just so weird to use 4p
prisma crane
Imagine a 5 minute CD but it does 5millie
i can see it 
dusky canopy
I think it’d be cool if 4pc was active during LS too yeah
prisma crane
i like 2.2M crits on dmg amp targets
daring marlin
I need an anvil on my warrior
frozen berry
What’s the best spell to reflect on last boss of HoI? The knockback or channeled spell?
civic compass
I miss reflecting Balakar
prisma crane
it does WAY more dmg and we take zero of the entire channel
civic compass
insert Wolverine meme
daring marlin
Twitter
prisma crane
oh that's smaht
proper roost
Idk why you'd miss reflecting balakar, this season has way more good reflect opportunities
torn gulch
you have a dungeon where war is actually broken
proper roost
Molten Crash actually fucks tanks
torn gulch
on reflects
dusky canopy
Nah you reflect it
torn gulch
and that i sNL
proper roost
And so does focused deluge
dusky canopy
And you pre reflect so you can reflect it more often
proper roost
other tanks actually need to use major cds for both of those
torn gulch
I've seen other tanks getting buried on the spot
crude notch
people just miss s1 shit because they're too lazy to look at the damn SR sheet
torn gulch
by molten crash
prisma crane
not to mention that we dont need to be in the corner of the room because charging back from landslide is nice
fickle gull
by far the most satisfying dungeon to play as a prot war, especially during tyr weeks
prisma crane
tbf i dont do anything really high, but so far im not sad about our state defensively, i just want actual offensive strength
gimme back SL execute, make 4p last full LS duration as well
daring marlin
by far the most satisfying dungeon to play as a prot war, especially during tyr ...
sick gremlin bro
prisma crane
give TC and Rev like a 10% bump
prisma crane
yea til wow is dead for like 1-2 wks minimum
crude notch
y'all be back on wow in 30 minutes because servers busted
prisma crane
i wont even be on D4, at least on launch, and i was just telling a coworker that i bet servers will be down or at least in a shit state for 24 hours minimum
daring marlin
If the beta was any indicator, yep
warm plinth
My money is on Krotos being cute
prisma crane
gloomy hazel
Why does wowhead list this ring higher than this other ring? Isn't haste crit better than haste mastery for prot?
warm plinth
It's because it's a LOT of haste probably
But this is why gear rankings/lists are dumb
prisma crane
because he's prioritizing haste over everything else
warm plinth
I'm fairly certain Llarold has a tendency to lean toward survival
lusty grotto
jesus im in a group with a special warrior tank
prisma crane
I'm fairly certain Llarold has a tendency to lean toward survival
not in his gameplay, but definitely in his guides i think
warm plinth
yeah in his guides I Meant
gloomy hazel
I'm pretty sure a 441 seal has more haste anyways at the same ilevel, right?
warm plinth
Idk probably
prisma crane
tbh i dont pay attention to rings
warm plinth
Ping him and ask if it bothers you :p
prisma crane
i have annulet and diurna's
warm plinth
But you're just gonna sim it anyway in the end
Or just run the higher haste one
Either way, the list is irrelevant
gloomy hazel
I just wanted to make sure I was understanding correctly that generally haste and crit are better for prot than haste and mastery
prisma crane
I just wanted to make sure I was understanding correctly that generally haste an...
we dont really care much about mastery, but having some isnt a bad thing
we just want more stats
= ilvl then you worry about that stuff
warm plinth
I have D4 but I'm in no rush to play it
prisma crane
that's where im at w/ D4 as well
gloomy hazel
yeah I mean I'm always getting highest ilevel first, but now I'm getting duplicates in the same slots at the same ilevel
crude notch
ghash what's my stat prio as ppal? 😛
prisma crane
yeah I mean I'm always getting highest ilevel first, but now I'm getting duplica...
you wont be in a bad place w/ the crit >haste ring
crude notch
the real one, not the fake "yeah we want everything" one.
prisma crane
just sim yourself though if you really want to know
warm plinth
Haste/mastery
crude notch
Yeah I'm only at 4625 at 409 ilvl
daring marlin
I need a bromach neck
warm plinth
I am making 2nd shadowflame this week
daring marlin
Be a golden god
crude notch
my druid is pretty much capped out on gear and is just for pushing now
lusty grotto
guilford are you itank in game? be honest
warm plinth
FF legs are meh imo. I don't know why the paladin discord likes them
daring marlin
guilford are you itank in game? be honest
No I am Guilford in-game.
lusty grotto
i see
crude notch
is this where we're weird and flame people for liking what's strong?
lusty grotto
one day ill find out
daring marlin
FF legs are meh imo. I don't know why the paladin discord likes them
Disagree. I love them.
warm plinth
I'm running 2x shadowflame personally. Got one on shield already, gonna put one on belt next
warm plinth
is this where we're weird and flame people for liking what's strong?
wdym?
crude notch
the itank comment
warm plinth
Oh
lusty grotto
huh
crude notch
nah i love your leggings baby it makes your butt look nice
warm plinth
crude notch
I can't wait to have 250k mana as prot
daring marlin
I made FF legs on my warrior in S1 first.
crude notch
((For legal purposes this was a joke))
warm plinth
I can cast more than 4 flash of lights before I'm oom
daring marlin
I liked them for arms in M+ especially.
lusty grotto
hello it is me
warm plinth
big pog
lusty grotto
its thursday which means, fucking pug raid on paladin day
daring marlin
Hope you have better luck than me.
warm plinth
hello it is me
Can't post my pally's name because it's nsfw so I spoil
lusty grotto
i know what was gonna happen and still clicked it
warm plinth
LOL
prisma crane
ha, classic
lusty grotto
safe to say, i'll always fall for it
lusty grotto
anyway so today there's this prot warrior that reminds me of yogi
so thats why i asked
yesterday it was the itank guy
modern brook
Can't post my pally's name because it's nsfw so I spoil
OH SHIT SORRY @sick sentinel I never watched that dungeon you sent me
jagged pier
modern brook
OH SHIT SORRY <@456226577798135808> I never watched that dungeon you sent me
I'll watch it in my sets
crude notch
and i hear people hitting the world boss because of the dumb dialog and I get there and the 2nd one only has 3% hp left and get shoulders off the WB. Love to see it.
lusty tiger
Can't post my pally's name because it's nsfw so I spoil
this is amazing
sick sentinel
OH SHIT SORRY <@456226577798135808> I never watched that dungeon you sent me
no worries, it's not my best work, just what was ready at the time
im still being extremely lazy
warm plinth
yogi moves more than any melee I've ever seen
cinder nova
Can diamond crafts be guaranteed to R3?
daring marlin
We'd need @modern brook to do big dam.
daring marlin
Can diamond crafts be guaranteed to R3?
Sure can. Pretty sure it requires Insight, though.
modern brook
im still being extremely lazy
did you have any specific concerns or am i just reviewing the like overall key
daring marlin
I mean the consumable people use
modern brook
mettle?
daring marlin
w/e it's called
cinder nova
You mean the 30-skill one?
modern brook
idk
sick sentinel
i promise you don't have to do nothing like that
fresh igloo
insight is the material that grants skill, at least for smithing
fresh igloo
the chance at bonus skill is inspiration
cinder nova
Some dude wants 10K for insight use
modern brook
i know i did bad
<#
cinder nova
That's fucking wild to me
fresh igloo
Some dude wants 10K for insight use
that's like early season 1 prices
modern brook
That's fucking wild to me
ive seena lot of people asking for that
and everyones always said "thats fucking stupid"
cinder nova
How does anyone charge anything for this shit
fresh igloo
people should be swimming in mettle now, my prices have come down a lot.
cinder nova
I have like 60
modern brook
Its scam time tbh
cinder nova
I literally can't get rid of it fast enough
fresh igloo
early on it was super tight and you needed it for all kinds of things.
modern brook
I have a lot of mettle but im double gathering so idk what to do with it all
sick sentinel
Some dude wants 10K for insight use
plans:FFB 100kgold, wow token 160k gold, now, same plans., 200k wow token 260k........... nope lol
sand crest
I use a ton of mettle. Some of my chars have stacks, but my smith and leatehrworker are always running out 😦
lusty grotto
marsh stone
Hey team, had issues with the dragon breath in HOI last night, any tips?
cinder nova
What are you using it on
lusty grotto
i have no idea how youre running out
lusty grotto
i have BS and tailoring and fucking enchanting
daring marlin
Hey team, had issues with the dragon breath in HOI last night, any tips?
Back step brother
sick sentinel
What i want to spend my gold on is green/blue item recipes first crafts for profession points and then like heirloom armor and other pepega stuff
marsh stone
Back step brother
How far back?
daring marlin
like legit just walk about 15 yards away when he's casting
marsh stone
gotcha
daring marlin
💪
marsh stone
will give it a shot, thanks mate
sick sentinel
i rran out of mettle atm cuz im crafting the profession tools i don't need
daring marlin
It's honestly night and day
sand crest
Insights for crafting mostly really. But I try to keep my public orders on cooldown. I use them to guarantee 5 stars
sick sentinel
only need like another 1500 i think
lusty grotto
4 publics at day at 1 insight each will not drain your mettle
even 8 if two crafting profs
sand crest
I dont only do public. Guild orders, personal orders
lusty grotto
ok well if i could give you all that garbage mettle i have, i would
cause honestly its just takign space
and anyone that says 15k for mettle use is smoking some huge crack
sand crest
yeah that's insane really.
lusty grotto
maybe early in s1, but not right now
sick sentinel
i can repair just about all of my armor for free now
like, 4 slots to go
only can't do the cloak
sick sentinel
so, if i never die in an unrecoverable spot, free repairs for rest of DF
lusty grotto
you seem haunted by that specific scenario
sick sentinel
and the rare time i wil have to hit spirit rez, it won't cost me 800 gold cuz i did something dumb
lusty grotto
modern brook
quiet minnow
so, if i never die in an unrecoverable spot, free repairs for rest of DF
interestingly-- it doesnt specify a piece of dragonflight plate
so hopefully that isnt the case. because for blacksmithing to get any actual use out of masters hammer its going to take about until the next fuckin xpac is out
lament scroll
any dungeons where you guys aren't taking spell block currently?
pallid quiver
aren't those the two you recommended taking spell block for? if so, the dungeons that aren't those
lusty grotto
opposite of that
pallid quiver
Yeah
mighty valley
neltharus and ulda are the only ones where we are, yeah
granite pond
Lol yeah
lusty grotto
nome made a bad
lament scroll
lol i was going to say that seems super backwards. cool thanks all
pallid quiver
nome got baited by the kneejerk answer to ez question
granite pond
I was like “have I been really wrong?”
strong forum
People usually ask where to take it
And not where to not take it
Cuz you don't take it almost anywhere
pallid quiver
10/10 don't blame you on that
cinder nova
That's where we *do* take Spellblock
What are you dropping for Splock?
strong forum
Bloodsurge
cinder nova
Really? That feels like a lot of lost rage over something like Impen Wall
strong forum
Cuz anytime you want Spellblock, you also want punish
Anytime you want Spellblock, you also want SW frequently
Why would you give up defense to gain a different defense
strong forum
Really? That feels like a lot of lost rage over something like Impen Wall
It's not
cinder nova
Because you still have AM CDR
cinder nova
Because damage times keys unless you're dying
pallid quiver
imp wall also scales with outburst, too
strong forum
Hence the 20%
Cuz it makes people realise how much rage that is
Instead "yeah it's only +3 hurr dürr"
cinder nova
How much rage are each over a key?
strong forum
Almost equal
cinder nova
Do we have a more precise metric than that, or should I just dig through logs
mighty valley
there's gotta be a lot of variance so there can't really be a simple answer
cinder nova
That's why I'm keen on knowing, Harrow
mighty valley
sure, just saying that it's the "dig through logs" one
but more shield walls is also a real benefit
cinder nova
Off to WCL then
@strong forum Do you recommend a particular method for rooting up the rage generation of Impen in logs, or does it separate it?
cinder nova
But the rage generation is variable
cinder nova
??? you just said OB doubles it
strong forum
🙂
thats my ultrapull FH dungeon
where i did triple pulls
you cant get more value out of bloodsurge
so other keys like Neltharus and Uldaman will be less
pallid quiver
any my kneejerk just woke up math says it gave like 200 more rage in its optimal setting compared to imp walll
pallid quiver
closer to 400
pallid quiver
apparently i can multiply but not subtract
cinder nova
Yeah, 200-400 more rage is like.. what? 1.5 OBs and a few seconds off CDs
strong forum
now lets look at VP
cinder nova
Do you feel the loss of Bloodsurge?
strong forum
no i dont
this is VP
the lowest pull dungeon next to NL
roughly same SS value
but ~40% less bloodsurge value
neltharus is somewhere between VP and FH in pullsize
so imp wall is just better
cinder nova
I wonder at what point we can safely just drop Bloodsurge for some cheesy damage like bleeds in keys where we aren't grabbing splock
copper lava
So the 4pc is awesome, just like, I hate how much of my damage is barrowed power. Like the annulet + shadow flame + 4pc + trinket
strong forum
im ok with 4pc doing damage
cuz you still need to play well
annulet, embellishs, trinkets
are not ok
copper lava
Yeah
toxic pewter
In low pull count dungeons can unnerving focus be better than bloodsurge
strong forum
any source of dmg that interacts with your kit, like stats is fun
copper lava
Don’t get me wrong I love the 4pc for both damage and the 5% more dr against magic damage
strong forum
In low pull count dungeons can unnerving focus be better than bloodsurge
uuuuh could be yah
but at that point
i prefer the consistency of bloodsurge
vs the short windows of ultra rage
toxic pewter
Yeah true, it is just more consistent
cinder nova
Yeah what are you even gonna do with all that extra rage in a bum key
copper lava
Revenge
cinder nova
You're not even taking damage enough to actually get value beyond AM
toxic pewter
I mean just burn through more rage
copper lava
Revenge spam lol
cinder nova
You can't spend it fast enough to just press Rev
I dunno, the low and high of UnFo in a low key seems like you're just trying to put lights on a hamster wheel to make it less boring
cinder nova
I do too, but you don't need it to live big pulls tbh
Just crank IP
You can do like 120K HPS just trying to live
toxic pewter
Yah but can crank more rage faster
strong forum
i dont have anything else
cinder nova
Yeah I was in that boat for a bit
toxic pewter
I almost went with grapnel cuz it has str on it
strong forum
its like the 4th best trinket
toxic pewter
I’m actually slowly becoming less of a mark fan the more I use it
cinder nova
Even in ST
cinder nova
I had 441 of both and never saw grapnel pass it
strong forum
YES
copper lava
Beacon is at the will of ring gods tho
copper lava
NO U
strong forum
the only str trinket that can do more than mark in raw dmg is anvil
but its str
so its 3% overall dmg better than the raw dmg proc lets you assume
cinder nova
Why does it sim over then, just assumes every hit lands?
copper lava
I lost out on anvil yesterday by 1. Rolled a 99 and dude blindsides with 100
strong forum
grapnel did 4.58% of my dmg
lusty tiger
NO U
NOU
hey i am going to head out. This isn't the guild for me. I don't vibe here, nobody runs mythic plus with me whenever I try and ask a question or make a suggestion in raid, its met with either condensation or just a flat no. I appreciate the invite. GL
strong forum
mark would've needed to do over 7.5-8% of all my dmg
to beat grapnel there
sim always assumes you perfectly hit mark
cinder nova
Don't tell me this Nom I don't want to wear two actives again
strong forum
like mark is fine
but be aware
shit can HARD miss
especially on bosses
cuz its only a small frontal
not guaranteed value
cinder nova
Maybe I'm using it wrong but Grapnel seems to do very little cleave
strong forum
grapnel isnt amazing no
like i said
4th best
anvil bacon and kinda mark
but not always mark
cinder nova
So anvil/beacon is still the true BIS, but assuming mark is landing perfectly it sims higher
strong forum
yes
cinder nova
How much damage do you lose in ST to mark, approximately
strong forum
they fixed pre-using anvil before bosses
strong forum
How much damage do you lose in ST to mark, approximately
however dmg it does -3 or 4%
cinder nova
Because with it oversimming I have no idea if a N 437 anvil is worth the try
strong forum
if it does 7% of your dmg, it only did true 3-4%
copper lava
When you grapnel something do you have a cool animation?
strong forum
if you do it from range, its just a chain
cinder nova
And explode
copper lava
Lol that sounds fun ngl
strong forum
like
grapnel isnt bad at all
3.8k dps from a str trinket is amazing
mark in best case does 5k dps
maybe more with lucky rng
on kazzara my anvil went 
waxen frigate
The anvil hardens
warm plinth
@sick sentinel I asked ChatGPT to write a polite message asking you to move less in keys.
While I appreciate your dedication as a tank, I've noticed that there has been quite a bit of unnecessary movement during our encounters.
As you know, maintaining a stable position is crucial for the success of our team. Excessive movement can make it challenging for healers to keep up with their responsibilities and can disrupt the rhythm of our damage dealers. It also poses a risk of accidentally pulling additional enemies or misplacing area-of-effect abilities.
I kindly request that you focus on positioning yourself in a way that minimizes unnecessary movement. Take the time to establish a solid foundation and hold your ground whenever possible. By doing so, we can optimize our group's performance and ensure a smoother and more efficient dungeon experience for everyone.
waxen frigate
copper lava
At no point
strong forum
chatGPT smurt
copper lava
Would that be actually said by a warrior main
cinder nova
Think I should keep my 421 melandrus or can I safely vendor it. I have two 441 crit/haste rings I use for keys anyway
waxen frigate
I had chat gpt write a rap about my co tank
strong forum
Think I should keep my 421 melandrus or can I safely vendor it. I have two 441 c...
yes
waxen frigate
It ended up being a diss track about his aggro issues and it actually made him upset lmao
warm plinth
S: Asks a question without a yes/no response
Nome: yes
warm plinth
It ended up being a diss track about his aggro issues and it actually made him u...
This is incredible
waxen frigate
I love enby answers 😍
sick sentinel
no, it was that the caht bot thought i wasn't going to be able to hold threat
it was throwing shade based on nothing
waxen frigate
Lmao
warm plinth
I'm not asking because I think he has aggro issues. But he seems to think your diss track was about him
It's a question because he put a question mark at the end of it
boom gottem
quiet minnow
a large slam
waxen frigate
This is incredible
Trying to get a clip of it from my GM
I’m on mobile though so can’t look for it myself
cinder nova
a large slam
There's a damage multiplier on her mate
quiet minnow
big numbie make me happy
waxen frigate
Hitting a nearly 4mil beacon on that boss before WoO changes was an experience
quiet minnow
i also got forgestorm shortly after
so the 370k ss and a forgestorm-- all i needed to make this a good week in wow
cinder nova
I lucked my way into a 437 forgestorm on week 1 that made nim mald
Then I got 447 week 2
quiet minnow
very nice-- this one is unfortunately only a 437, but i will take it all day long. i just ran it on my lunch break quick
i am happy with it either way
cinder nova
Still huge up
437 is absolutely worth investing stones, crests, and an enchant on tbh
cinder nova
How
cinder nova
Bro what
waxen frigate
Yeah I hate forge
cinder nova
I can't get it to stop
waxen frigate
It’s soooo inconsistent
quiet minnow
i basically only tank m+ so it doesnt really bother me
waxen frigate
I’m so fucking glad I got Djaruun on brew
waxen frigate
Can ignore the rng proc shit for the rest of the tier now
prisma crane
poopstorm!
cinder nova
I'm genuinely curious if Nom might be cursed
waxen frigate
Whereas forgestorm was an inconsistent 2-8% of my Dps in raid
strong forum
yeah same
cinder nova
Because I don't think I've seen it do less than 2-4%
strong forum
6/8 heroic bosses it only did like 1%
today on normal like 5/9
it did less than 3%
only on sark and echo it did something you could call dmg
rest was just bleh
cinder nova
Across a N skip, full clear H, and like 2 M bosses it did 4.15% for me
cinder nova
See that's not terrible.
cinder nova
I dunno if WF has anything to do with it though
cinder nova
Raid always gives me the windfussy
strong forum
on normal forgestorm is logboosted cuz it went turbo ham on 2 bosses
toxic pewter
Should we just craft a 447 weapon and call it a day
strong forum
if youre an actual pumper, for keys, likely
cinder nova
I wonder if a 447 would outsim it
toxic pewter
Is it close in damage
strong forum
on sims, 441 forgestorm does ~1k dps more than a 447 on ST
queen grove
i have a 444 forgestorm. does fantastic damage in keys usually ~6%
strong forum
on aoe obv that gap lessens
strong forum
i have a 444 forgestorm. does fantastic damage in keys usually ~6%
6% of how much of an overall
cuz the worse you play, the better procs like forgestorm are
queen grove
100mill or so
modern brook
Details just tells u dps too
queen grove
80k dps overall
modern brook
If u like look to the right a bit
modern brook
Thats like only 1k dps off tho
prisma crane
i did BR bracers
cinder nova
I have such dogshit overalls these days
I'm too worried about getting clapped
Only do about 70-85K
prisma crane
do BH and it'll make you feel a bit better
strong forum
Thats like only 1k dps off tho
"only"
if you have a weapon
thats supposed to do 3-4k dps
thats a 33% difference
like im not gonna craft a weapon this week
but likely in 4 weeks
or maybe in 2
prisma crane
and it should do a lot more dmg, because you're giving up some IP potency using it
strong forum
will see
cinder nova
I mean, not a lot of IP potency tbh
modern brook
on sims, 441 forgestorm does ~1k dps more than a 447 on ST
Yeah but like that's magic of error for out simming
strong forum
its just 3%
cinder nova
That shit gets stripped off so fast
prisma crane
sure, im just saying
there's a tradeoff
it's not much of a trade if the benefit isnt reliable
strong forum
Yeah but like that's magic of error for out simming
forgestorm is practically, lower lows but higher highs than a normal weapon
but on average better
sick sentinel
fuck it, im doin boots
prisma crane
and i huge aoe i think forgestorm just loses
sick sentinel
boots have my food buff and i have 30 boot smithing points
strong forum
ye