so the non lariat neck with bis stats?
#protection
jagged socket
jagged pier
well i wouldnt say haste vers is bis stats but yer make the neck with what u want
jagged socket
what stats should i go for iyo?
jagged pier
haste crit
vocal nimbus
how do i sim to check wether i need more vers or crit?
cuz i suppose haste goes first always
strong forum
Crit will always sim better than vers
I have 5k crit and 600 vers and the game still tells me to get more crit
It's just that good
vocal nimbus
but then i see that sense goes full vers 
strong forum
For raid
Zskarn is 90% magic dmg
Magmorax is like 70% magic dmg albeit a meme boss
vocal nimbus
i hope to sit out that progress 👍
strong forum
Sarkareth is like 70% magic dmg
But on sark atleast Spellblock works
So that's fine
In raid pure defensively you want vers cuz parrying a boss is very little compared to parrying 10 mobs in m+ constantly
warm plinth
@strong forum Question for you: why are there weird like...contradictions between pwar and ppal as far as certain embellishments and trinkets go? e.g. they like frostfire legs, they don't like heart, things like that
strong forum
them liking haste pants is a huge fucking bait
dont fall for it
the reasoning for pally is "cuz divine toll on pull"
which i absolutely dont agree with
thats a pure paper vs reality thing imo
they should like heart "as much" as we do
lavish copper
Is there a way to measure how much defense a shield can give you?
warm plinth
Well, fortunately I'm far too lazy to farm the mats for legs anyway lul
Yeah I was told heart is bait because no str
strong forum
Is there a way to measure how much defense a shield can give you?
yeah block value gained
warm plinth
Is there a way to measure how much defense a shield can give you?
block value = block value / (block value + k)
lavish copper
I play Fury as a main spec but spent alot of time in Prot as well when doing M+; i'm trying to decide between a 0.8% improvment by crafting legs (for fury), or upgrading my 437 shield to 447.
lavish copper
might just take the fury dps hit since i'm already in the top 3 for our guild and make pushing those 20's more comfortable
heady jetty
Wowhead said Helm, Legs, Shoulder, and Gloves. for tierpieces, we aggree on that? Considering chest is haste versa, even tho it's low haste stat?
crude notch
Brackenhide reminds me of motherlode so much
in the sense that like once you get through the first part it's smooth sailing. It's hard scuffing the trees area.
cerulean stream
good pick ?
bitter herald
strong forum
in the sense that like once you get through the first part it's smooth sailing. ...
Brackenhide is just yolo pulls all throughout
Tree area owns
The only fuck part is first boss
Rest is smooth sailing
Oh I read it wrong
Yeah
Before first boss is chill too though
But I guess not with raging
night heron
Hello! In vault I basically have to choose between
- a 441 Ominous Chromatic essence (which sims +2,7% damage increase in ST if I remove my defensive Treemouth trinket, which is quite handy for pushing high keys)
- a 447 crit/mastery cape which is a 0,7% ST increase
Should I get the trinket, the cape, or a socket?
strong forum
Chromatic essence is one of the best trinkets for m+ aswell
night heron
Alright I'll just have to be more careful not to get oneshot then 😄
strong forum
One shots don't happen randomly
You know exactly when they're coming
Or why
Fwiw Andy doesn't even think about using defensive trinkets for World first keys
Neither on pwar or pally
night heron
True, it's just that I like pressing it when I engage a big pack so I can start dpsing without thinking about surviving everything
strong forum
Yeah I can understand that
night heron
But yeah from what i've seen tanks usually take dps trinkets
night heron
Ahah yeah I'll take the Ominous trinket, that'll force me to think about my pulls which is always good to improve at the game
strong forum
remote venture
It's fun being fuck off tanky
When DPS have to do defensive and run away, and we just stand there and take it 😎
rose orchid
When upgrading a crafted item from spark ingenuity to the new season spark (shadow?), will the item retain any sockets added with vault tokens? E.g. crafted bracers in s1 and also add socket to it, then upgrade to s2 spark
strong forum
Loses socket
rose orchid
Ok ty just thinking ahead
strong forum
No cheese for you good sir
rose orchid
idk i though blizz said "on the 5th week of the season"?
crisp fractal
yeah I think so. June 13/14
rose orchid
oh i thought it was "on the 5th week of season" which would be June 6/7
but you guys probably right. wowhead says jun 13/14
Crap is way too long
should've been today that it became available
oak heart
you dont have 4 set yet?
rose orchid
no my guild steal from me
THIEVES
I got 1 from vault, 1 from 2k io token, and 1 from raid
literally half our group is all using that same token though: war, evoker, rogue, monk
horse shit
ionic fern
That's familiar.
sleek current
You used your 2k token before you had 3pc?
oak heart
talk to your officers about gearing up the tanks first, or join a guild that does loot council 😛
ionic fern
talk to your officers about gearing up the tanks first, or join a guild that doe...
HAHAHA.
rose orchid
I used my 2k token to get 2 set
ionic fern
Nice one.
oak heart
they might go for it
rose orchid
It's a friends fam guild 12 of us all irl connections
oak heart
yoink 4 set then leave
rose orchid
I'm like 12 ilvl above everyone else from m+ so... it's whatever
rare kraken
Unnerving Focus good talent or unnecessary/bad?
oak heart
so they dont really play?
rose orchid
talk to your officers about gearing up the tanks first, or join a guild that doe...
lol i used to raid with a mythic guild last season but that was so boring i hated it. prefer just getting AOTC with my irl friends then do pug m+
ionic fern
Unnerving Focus good talent or unnecessary/bad?
If you got 4p it's fine on ST with Bolster.
rare kraken
Cool
Bein trying it in M+, it's crazy fun
My rage bar goes hella ping pong
Feel like a fury warrior with an off gcd spender
idle quartz
I actually wanted to try it with Storm of Steel to see the rage generation, even if I’m like 99% sure the damage wouldn’t be worth it
ionic fern
The damage is not worth it.
Even without Storm of Steel you are stuck spamming IP during UF.
idle quartz
The damage is not worth it.
shhhhhh
strong forum
storm of steel is less rage than other talent points youd give up for it
jagged pier
^
ionic fern
But go try it.
strong forum
and less dmg than giving up other non-rage talents
strong forum
there was initial hype after the collateral buff
but it just didnt pan out
neither in practice nor in theory
ionic fern
It pans out in my feelings.
idle quartz
Hey that’s good to know though
strong forum
ionic fern
crude notch
I also meme with random builds from time to time.
Soul Barrier enjoyers unite!
ionic fern
Agreed.
I loved Soul Barrier.
Can't say such things out loud anymore, Nom is gonna slap me.
graceful kite
<:peepohide:841312329424437298>
was it dh shield thing?
ionic fern
Yes.
graceful kite
I liked it a lot
But wasnt it on the same row with cheatdeath?
I cant remember why ppl werent taking it
ionic fern
No idea.
uneven mason
didn't it compete with Spirit Bomb?
strong forum
It competed with cheat death yeah
But they killed soulbarrier in bfa
Removed the min absorb
turbid granite
if i have the 5 piece at the same ilvl wich one i can change for another gear ?
vivid jay
For more chances to get forgestorm should i open as tank or fury or arms? Y already have SHIELD, last week I opened as fury and got 2h
sleek current
I don't think you can get 1h loot in arms.
crude notch
correct
warm girder
For more chances to get forgestorm should i open as tank or fury or arms? Y alre...
Only prot and fury will get you 1H, so either or. Since you have a shield, I'd go with fury for chance on DPS trinkets as well.
marble cipher
I opened in prot for the off chance that I'd get Heart of Thunder.
Of course it trolled me with three useless slots because of that.
#neveragain
weary saddle
Heart of Thunder good?
echo egret
Shall I ditch my lariat for a regular neck and pick another embllishment somehwere else ?
tired girder
How you deal with underrot ticks ? It deals a lot of damage to us. The bleed is insane
marble cipher
Supposedly it's great
marble cipher
Wouldn't know, 49 VP's so far, no drop, so can't test it 
hazy hazel
When I'm talking to another Prot Warrior about some tweaks I think they could use and the response is "They're fine, no changes needed". Then they tell me they main a Prot Paladin.
tired girder
Meta Slayers... They play what the meta sites tells them
Underrot Tick needs to nuke quick or slower? Too much damage on the bleed
Any tips ?
jagged pier
u dont pull them
orchid mural
i would say that the tick pack at the start, on the right, is worth the 10 seconds, b/c of how often they get randomly pulled. timer is free, may as well get some cheap insurance
sick sentinel
Underrot Tick needs to nuke quick or slower? Too much damage on the bleed
Any t...
Of you mean trash you never pull them and if you mean boss2you should never see them
Thus they aren't an issue
orchid mural
Meta Slayers... They play what the meta sites tells them
as far as tips, shockwave em, war stomp, fear em, and nuke 😉
sick sentinel
At there very start go to to side with the maggot and then pull that, matron and centre group near bridges
Then you simply go left down bridge cuzthey removed the hard part of that
If you had to go right you'd be more likely to get more ticks
echo egret
What's undulating sporecloak worth ?
tired girder
The ticks from the beginning of the dungeons.
Several routes I saw that they need to be pulled
chilly pulsar
2p of the new tier makes us Use Last Stand on cool down?
warm girder
The ticks from the beginning of the dungeons.
Several routes I saw that they nee...
Honestly, would question those routes. Especially on higher fort keys.
jagged pier
What's undulating sporecloak worth ?
tired girder
I check them on guru site.
Any place where you guys check the routes?
warm girder
Raider.io weekly or "how the pros do it" - then I build my own from what I prefer. Usually a mix of both that works good in 20+ PUGs.
vivid jay
Only prot and fury will get you 1H, so either or. Since you have a shield, I'd g...
True, i dont like arms so forgot It use 2h haha, i Will keep opening as fury then
warm girder
When crafting gear, do you default to haste/vers or prefer any other combination? Does it make sense to swap secondaries eventually (diminishing returns?). Or do you actually sim for damage?
warm girder
We all going for damage now? Drop vers in favor for crit wherever viably possible?
jagged pier
crit is always viable
warm girder
Are we also gemming 70haste/crit or even 70crit/haste then? I'm still defaulting to 70haste/vers.
jagged pier
warm girder
Yeah, that I saw. Cant take all 3 on crafts/gems though.
waxen frigate
Crit also notably isn’t just an offensive stat
lavish copper
how the shit do i deal with chomp in Uldaman?
I just can't survive it and i can't stun enough to keep the stacks off me
especially with enraging
jagged pier
chilly pulsar
There's another ad that chomps you and looks like a snek. Once you see the cast, move away
lavish copper
It's the crocs, i know that
waxen frigate
how the shit do i deal with chomp in Uldaman?
Chomp?
lavish copper
or basilisks rather
lavish copper
no, right at the start
chilly pulsar
Maybe the basilisks can be done the same?
lavish copper
the snake guys i can just kite cause they're slow
waxen frigate
🤔
lavish copper
but the basilisks just fuck me up
waxen frigate
I thought the main thing with the basilisks was the reflective hide shit
That’s what I’ve always felt kills me but I’ve never looked too deep into it
lavish copper
This fucker
chilly pulsar
The reflective hide fucks the group. The chomp fucks the tanks
left basalt
Pull and keep moving
lavish copper
I was taking 150k - 200k ticks every second
left basalt
They can’t chomp if they can’t catch
lavish copper
2 is pain, 3 is death
chilly pulsar
I'm not sure if they're kiteable
lavish copper
I don't think you can, they're fast
the only way to deal with it as far as i can see is a bleed dispel, or perfect stuns
cause the chomp cast is really fast
0.73sec
chilly pulsar
Put a skull marker on one of those fuckers and pray your dps don't do standard rotation and focus it
waxen frigate
the only way to deal with it as far as i can see is a bleed dispel, or perfect s...
Dwarf supremacy strikes again
chilly pulsar
For desperate measures you can try the talent that gives you like 80% dmg reduction once per 3 mins
warm girder
Havent run one this week yet, but before I went in, tanked them a little, hovered over shockwave and stunned them once the first one started casting. Then fear right after. That should get them low. Then start running. If DPS is too slow with killing them, def stance, shieldwall, pray ...
Otherwise, death run back into them and hope DPS can kill them now.
jagged pier
no
its garbage
revenge isnt even close to your top damage anymore
and its rage starves u
sick sentinel
https://tenor.com/view/prepare-yourself-tae-kwon-joe-kevin-michael-richardson-tr...
im sorry but that image reminds me of this
sick sentinel
is someone using ?
someone literal has his name to attempt to tell people NOT to use it
chilly pulsar
Barbaric Training for Prot is garbage
neat parrot
What about sonic boom ? still trash?
chilly pulsar
2 piece tier bonus makes us spam Last Stand on cooldown?
jagged pier
yes
chilly pulsar
At least they put more value into this shit cooldown
sick sentinel
i for one am a "more hp" enjoyer
warm girder
Is anyone running spell block (for specific dungeons or raid encounters)? If so, what are you dropping for it?
sick sentinel
running it because no season 2 set bonus yet and i like spel block anyways
warm girder
Anyone who has 4p then 😛
tropic star
im running it on M Rashok as a safety net. fortified weeks i run it in neltharus just for the double warden packs
i could be a pansy but when group doesnt kill them fast enough it gets spicy
on 20s, lower keys i dont really bother
warm girder
your answer
I guess I just dont like the answes there 😛
warm girder
im running it on M Rashok as a safety net. fortified weeks i run it in neltharus...
What are you dropping for it?
unique cobalt
is 40 % haste good point to stop at and start equalzing crit? simmed my char but when I change gear the dps change is really minimal for increased crit with a bit under 40 % haste
tropic star
the pins have their recoomendation
warm girder
Yeah, Punish or Bloodsurge. Don't want to drop either, that's why I am asking what others prefer 😄
tropic star
but i think i usually drop battering ram
jagged pier
there arent any
tropic star
i could be throwing
jagged pier
thats a massive throw
uneven mason
but i think i usually drop battering ram
jagged pier
bloodsurge is the least impactful talent u can drop
uneven mason
might as well just use grey weapons
warm girder
but i think i usually drop battering ram
😮 Would never drop that. Its just so good.
tropic star
anyone mind explaining what im missing there? Shield charge not a huge part of damage profile. And in mythic plus, AA/SS arent as big a portion
well i mean SS overall still is. but like bloodsurge rage gen in mass pulls is rather impactful]
wooden moth
anyone mind explaining what im missing there? Shield charge not a huge part of d...
20% auto attack speed & damage for 20 sec is kinda huge
hazy bronze
The buff ends up bring active ~50% of the time for me
SS also ends up being in top 3
warm girder
The buff ends up bring active ~50% of the time for me
Which makes sense. 20s buff with 45s CD.
warm girder
bloodsurge is the least impactful talent u can drop
Thanks, I'll give it a try on heavy magic dmg
hazy bronze
with new teir
My alt can't get tier and this catalyst takes longer to open than a gubment office :madge:
plain iron
Mostly a generic Tank question but do "Increases the time between an enemy's attack" debuff like Curse of Weakness and Insidious Chill (any others?) work on raid boss? Sound like something that shouldn't anymore but why have this as a non-pvp talent if it doesn't. And the debuff show up in logs. It would be meaningless on most boss but on those that stacks debuff each melee Zskarn, this could reduce damage taken by a good amount.
jagged pier
yes
hazy bronze
Mostly a generic Tank question but do "Increases the time between an enemy's att...
"Any others" being a rogue poison
plain iron
Numbing poison, I see it now, Thanks a lot!
astral crystal
Mostly a generic Tank question but do "Increases the time between an enemy's att...
Yeah basically mandatory for experiments and zskarn
sick sentinel
"Any others" being a rogue poison
mind numbing posion that reduces cast speed by massive amount ( i want to say like 30 50 or 70%)
sleek current
30%
sick sentinel
im positive there are other similiar effects probably, id imagine priest can do something like that
plain iron
I`m bad at rogue but I only see numbing at 15%, and on a split node with Atrophic that reduce damage dealt by 3%
sick sentinel
i dunno exactly how it works, but rogues do have a bunch of poision related shit
plain iron
So warlock Curse + rogue Atrophic look like the best combo if you have one of each class
sleek current
Do they stack though?
strong forum
So warlock Curse + rogue Atrophic look like the best combo if you have one of ea...
Rogue and warlock atk speed slow stack
So you want both
sleek current
Perfect
strong forum
For a gigantic reduction in tank dmg intake on bosses like zskarn and experiments
sick sentinel
then again, you have to convince the rogue to use that poision, cuz they can only use 1 deadly and 1 non deadly poison at a time
tulip harness
Is lariat generally not recommended for M+? either 2x shadowflame or 1x shadowflame + unstable frostfire belt?
sick sentinel
hes giving up another posion to have that one equipped for you, remember that
strong forum
As the pin says
warm girder
then again, you have to convince the rogue to use that poision, cuz they can onl...
For prog they really should. For reclear on farm idgas
strong forum
Yes 2x shadow or 1x shadow 1x belt
strong forum
hes giving up another posion to have that one equipped for you, remember that
What's more important, killing the boss or looking 3% better on the dmg meter
plain iron
Wow, Thanks a lot, my guild might have chances on Heroic Zskarn now !
sick sentinel
im still doing FFB and spikes, too lazy to shiny on shield
gunna do... probably FFB.... today, im considering just get the god damn wow token and buy out the belt patern make it my self
i got 3 wyrm tokens now, so i just need gold to get the other crap
warm girder
If by any chance you are on EU-Draenor send me a PM, I'll make it for free (just mats ofc) for you.
sick sentinel
im on NA sorry
crude notch
don't say that
sick sentinel
for many years, i was on NA dreanor, but as an alliance
strong forum
Don't have to beat yourself up about it
sick sentinel
realm with orciish name translating to "home"
and its fucking infested with alliance.....
hazy bronze
What's more important, killing the boss or looking 3% better on the dmg meter
I think we all know the answer to this
sick sentinel
What's more important, killing the boss or looking 3% better on the dmg meter
TBF if you do 3% more dps that rogue B, they are going to invite you over rogue B
strong forum
Issa raid
It's not that deep in an actual raid guild
You gotta sacrifice a thing here or there to kill thing X
sick sentinel
i just do not enjoy poker facing for 30 other players multiple times a week for multiple multiple extended hours
people start to get pissy and whatever after 8 hours of trying to kill some dragon
cinder storm
That's raid for some
sick sentinel
me included
i can poker face for like up to 4 hours and after that everythings off the table
lunar prism
what gear should we craft? ^^ with new spark
strong forum
Ilvl upgrades
olive bay
Is Oiled Blade in Freehold a casted ability? Or does it just happen in place of a normal auto attack?
IE, do I have time to move and avoid it?
sick sentinel
how much, or what is, the raging factor
warm girder
Is Oiled Blade in Freehold a casted ability? Or does it just happen in place of ...
Cast. Actually reflectable
olive bay
Oh shit really?
sick sentinel
like, i forget what it does and sometimes tooltips can be extremely precise, or vauge
warm girder
yeah, its big. Reflect first, SW 2nd, reflect 3rd
olive bay
like, i forget what it does and sometimes tooltips can be extremely precise, or ...
Oiled Blade is the 75% healing reduction
cinder storm
I miss old FH
sick sentinel
they don't get a dmg increase any more, you just cant stun then i think though
olive bay
That is Painful Motivation
Painful Motivation costs them health but gives them 50% more damage
sick sentinel
he does a -75% heal? i normally just kite him along the bridge taunt and heroic throw for agro
proud patrol
Can you backstep the basilisks chomp (the bleed) in Uldaman?
sick sentinel
let the dps kill it and go get guys at the house
crude notch
You really should stop advising people on what to do in keys, please.
It's a dispel
And it's reflectable
sick sentinel
you can reflect oiled blade? cool
crude notch
yes
sick sentinel
i didnt print off reflect sheets yet.
crude notch
if only there was a google doc that people could look up that someone put their time into making.
olive bay
he does a -75% heal? i normally just kite him along the bridge taunt and heroic ...
Two totally different mobs...
You're talking about the Enforcer, he does backhand and Shattering Below. I'm talking about the Officers before the final boss
sick sentinel
im curious why you brough up mobs in freehold
olive bay
Because I'm asking about a specific mechanic
crude notch
because someone asked you nutter
sick sentinel
oh, well i was going on about i forgot was raging does
and he tagged me
and i had to google what he was talking about
crude notch
the problem is yogi you go on about complete and utter nonsense 90% of the time and someone who comes in asking a question doesn't actually know that, so they assume you're responding to them
So maybe
You're the one that needs to consider
sick sentinel
apologies,. just, yah, if im trying to answer a question someones asking normally i'll @ them
proper roost
I enjoy your posts yogi
I think you should keep being you and not succumb to peer pressure
olive bay
You're fine man - you said something about "raging factor" and I thought you said "ranging", and I thought you were just talking me to out range it
That's why I thought you were talking to me, my bad
Which, tbf I was asking if I could out range it
lol
sick sentinel
right, well, when i went to google, and then wow head and looked at the mob model that casts it its just some kultiran dude on a horse
and that was only one i could think of there was the birdge dude
olive bay
Yeah it's right before the final boss
He does a 75% healing reduction and this week those can be a massive pita for healers while they're also trying to decurse the afix
I just want to make sure I'm not causing my healer any more headache than I need to
sick sentinel
i dunno if will return, but i remember in the past people used to take the boss to like, there is like a tiny dock thing beside the gold pile
and you'd do the entire fight there, then kill the big group in main area intended fighting area
cuz the trash you are talking about was so gross
olive bay
I've heard that pulls with the boss now
So you can't do that anymore
Because of that I've never tried
sick sentinel
Honestly, just charge into that pack head long and have your group dumpster stuff
olive bay
yup
Honestly the first pull gives me more trouble than anything
I feel like I burn everything there
errant leaf
This week so trash
strong forum
Honestly the first pull gives me more trouble than anything
Disease dispell/poison dispel
They apply a 50% healing reduction poison
olive bay
The first group does?
strong forum
Yes
olive bay
Interesting...
strong forum
There are like 2-4 guys that apply that poison
olive bay
I guess that's why I feel like a noodle there
civic holly
hi guys, i was playing my rogue in a key and the tank had a WA that counted when i cast tricks on him in party chat, ive looked extensively for the wA online but unable to find it, was wondering if anyone has a link or idea on how to ge tit
dusky canopy
Are you saying it counted in chat or like he told you it counted on his screen?
civic holly
like the first time i tricx'd him it said, tricks count controlfreek 1 or something of the likes
and added to it each time i did it
dusky canopy
Ahh, then no I do not have that one to share, mine simply shows when someone MDs me and duration remaining on it, it doesn’t announce in chat.
uneven mason
hi guys, i was playing my rogue in a key and the tank had a WA that counted when...
Was probably custom (it's not that hard to write wa)
wary spire
Wow got Forgestorm in the vault today
rancid ember
pog
wary spire
Thanks
empty inlet
can you only do the zaqali ruin investigation once a week ?
cunning knot
Any tip against Blazing Slash Wardens in Neltharus? Fucking hits hard
Cant seem to dodge em confidently
cunning knot
D:
vital arch
I felt like I was doing better going through their legs opposed to back stepping but I could be wrong
dusky canopy
Yeah those wardens slap cheeks if you’re not prepared, you dying
@daring marlin 12% sark and nobody did one of the bombs
daring marlin
people tunnel so hard
dusky canopy
daring marlin
legit do bombs and take tank debuff down and he falls over
dusky canopy
Idk if it was the comp the group had or what
But I swear he felt like he was in p3 for years
We even lust p3
dusky canopy
He was over 30% for sure I don’t remember exactly I wasn’t really watching hp when he did phase
urban bramble
hey guys, I wanted to ask how much you kite in ~20+keys I somehow am pressured to facetank for the dds but feel like sometimes kiting is the only way to go, especially if grps live longer
dusky canopy
I rarely kite
daring marlin
shouldn't need to kite much unless it's a mob with a nasty bleed
dusky canopy
So far I’ve run from bolstered wardens in Nelt and basilisks in Uld
Otherwise plant and tank, dodge floor mechanics
viral elk
Did the spell reflect weak aura get an update?
proper roost
you won't really kite on tyr (outside of specific affixes), you can tend to kite a bit on fort and/or bolstering
but kiting reduces dps a fair bit usually so try not to mostly?
Much worse rage gen too, so when you do get hit while kiting it'll hurt more - just a situational tool
dusky canopy
You essentially need to judge your situation on the fly, but rarely will you need to kite we are very sturdy tanks
Oh shit apparently the chains in Nelt do not damage players anymore!?
Did I read that right
That is huge
strong forum
the dungeon is literally TD now
daring marlin
They kneecapped Neltharus
strong forum
just pull everything into chains
find any chainspot and abuse it as much as you can
sick sentinel
Tol Dagor, if thats what you mean, was ass
strong forum
yes tol dagor
daring marlin
gr8 dungeon
sick sentinel
it was still a mostly fun dungeon, but it was just poorly designed for the player
wary spire
What did you guys craft with the 3rd spark?
jagged pier
neck
sick sentinel
like, tiny keys all over the place in RNG spots that you can pick up to open locked cages that 90% of the time add % to trash but 5% of the time have a dudes that give a buff
daring marlin
you can tell which have the buffs yogi
sick sentinel
or, 10 fps from having to stand under the ceiling awning and point camera down
so everyond oesn't get nuked but cross shot and can also react to aimed thing
or, any of the bosses in taht place
all of the bosses in that place has the potential to go extremely gross
final mist
find any chainspot and abuse it as much as you can
What'd they do to the chains?
daring marlin
TFW you're pugging zskarn and the other tank doesn't move quick enough when traps are activating
daring marlin
What'd they do to the chains?
It appears they don't do damage anymore to players
daring marlin
sick sentinel
OMEGALUL ppl were gtting jebaited by glory of the hero achievement items
and throwing keys somehow
daring marlin
that's ok
daring marlin
the nerf to magma is fucking massive
dusky canopy
It made it way easier
final mist
It nerfed the boss damage when you used it
Blizz just made the item unusable in keys and nerfed him to compensate
sick sentinel
hmmm oh i figured it was just like some buff that does nothin
final mist
What it does is set him to maximum tendies amount but caps him
dusky canopy
Now it’s not usable but they nerfed the heal check
final mist
Instead of scaling eventually all the way to like 6 or whatever
sick sentinel
i saw somebody with the name tastytendies
sick sentinel
even when i open vault as fury i stil get curse-ed trinkets
remote venture
OMEGALUL ppl were gtting jebaited by glory of the hero achievement items
Did make the boss harder or eaiser? Never got to test it before the dps pull the boss
sick sentinel
apparently it prevented 2 stacks of something
so, they just nerfed the fight and removed it
true raven
Any chance someone could take a look at these logs and see what i'm doing wrong? I feel like I need to stay in dstance to survive while fighting H Sark.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HrcDnwjbB4RpzP7k
jagged pier
Any chance someone could take a look at these logs and see what i'm doing wrong?...
wrong talents,
low casts
your talents should look like the ones pinned
as u have new 4 set
these are your casts
these are mine for the same fight
you aint pressing your buttons
night heron
Hello, quick question : which piece of tier set should I prioritize taking out if I have all 5 of them? Is it shoulders because it's mainly mastery?
true raven
wrong talents,
low casts
ah shit, thanks man. So just slam the rotation harder?
more SS/TC/R/SB?
jagged pier
well u need better talents as well
true raven
yeah i'm going to fix that when i get home
and we're using last stand on CD for dmg, correct? or for boss fights do you still use it for big damage sections?
hardy snow
can someone explain me these chains in Neltharus, where are they and what trash we can pull there?
fresh igloo
Hello, quick question : which piece of tier set should I prioritize taking out i...
no haste on legs, so that's an option. all 5 pieces have at least one good stat for us on them though. prob just sim it.
fresh igloo
can someone explain me these chains in Neltharus, where are they and what trash ...
there's a rock with a chain on it, if you click it it acts like the boss chains where you stretch it out and when it breaks it does a big pop of damage.
before the hotfixes it hurt the party so bad it was often not worth considering
hardy snow
its somwhere on the way to chain boss?
urban bramble
Maybe I just play too much too wrong, is it possible to check it if I log a dungeon? I feel like defensives are harder to check on logs. Or does anyone else have a kinda "perfect" M+ log that I can check out?
night heron
no haste on legs, so that's an option. all 5 pieces have at least one good stat ...
Alright, I'll do that!
fresh igloo
Maybe I just play too much too wrong, is it possible to check it if I log a dung...
if you have a dungeon log i'm sure someone could take a look at it and make suggestions
urban bramble
ok ill try do that
sick sentinel
when will trading post update
fresh igloo
ok ill try do that
until you do, some general things to look out for, common mistakes of prot warriors:
- Under use of Shield Slam
- Over use of Thunderclap
- Getting hit in the back
- Not maintaining Shield Block
- Not using Violent Outburst primarily on Shield Slam
- Not using something based on the pinned talent builds
- Not using Impending Victory enough
- Not using Shield Wall despite it being a very short CD
- Not using Spell Reflect enough as raw magic mitigation
- Letting your rage cap out
- Spamming Ignore Pain too much
(stolen and cleaned up from a quick post nome made the other day)
restive scroll
until you do, some general things to look out for, common mistakes of prot warri...
A pin would be good!
proud patrol
Only care about m+, currently running Mark and Raid Horn - the cape sims best in st/5 target, is anyone playing with grapnel? i'm thinking vial but grapnel sounds interesting
restive scroll
I often have the issue of violent outburst having to wait for ss cd.
Should I wait for ss anyway?
I tend to use revenge too much to try ss now...
fresh igloo
Only care about m+, currently running Mark and Raid Horn - the cape sims best in...
grapnel is better than vial in my experience
fresh igloo
I often have the issue of violent outburst having to wait for ss cd.
Should I wa...
you should be prio SS resets above everything, basically, and if you have a VO coming up next maybe revenge for a possible reset
someone who is better than me should be the one to talk about that in more detail tho
restive scroll
you should be prio SS resets above everything, basically, and if you have a VO c...
So basically, try to plan them rather than react to them?
I try to plan them, but that's still difficult
fresh igloo
So basically, try to plan them rather than react to them?
that's always the case in WoW, as long as you're not spending so much time planning that you're losing casts/CPM
restive scroll
Always.
Thanks :)
fresh igloo
jakey posted a log sample with a CPM of near 80 on a 3 minute h Magmorax.
so there's something to shoot for heh
uncut thunder
Can anyone recommend a good read or guide on how to read logs on Warcraft logs on the big items for warriors such as shield block uptime, if we had a defensive up durning a tank buster etc? Thanks
uneven mason
jakey posted a log sample with a CPM of near 80 on a 3 minute h Magmorax.
Smells like PI shenanigans
jagged pier
nope
uneven mason
Can anyone recommend a good read or guide on how to read logs on Warcraft logs o...
You're looking for blocked hits, not really SB uptime, since SB uptime should be 100% using appropriate talents
jagged pier
i mean i made a video in SLS
on how to do it
but thats probably outdated now
missing outburst and stuff
restive scroll
jakey posted a log sample with a CPM of near 80 on a 3 minute h Magmorax.
I can't look better at them on the phone, but to be fair, it also considers defensive abilities
uneven mason
Yup
restive scroll
But that's a good frame of reference regardless
jagged pier
we talking defensives?
or outburst stack
im lost
i mean u should plan everything
fresh igloo
I can't look better at them on the phone, but to be fair, it also considers defe...
our most commonly used off GCD is IP, which is burning rage for more damage too. not just a defensive.
jagged pier
u should have a seething tracker if u dont
and u should know which mobs and abilities are gunna hurt so u can plan defensives for them
hold if need be etc etc
restive scroll
Yeah, that's really the seething tracker that is not the best
Maybe because i only track stacks rather than the rage spend
jagged pier
i track stacks
i just know when im high
so i can plan what to use it on
like spend TC early so it will be on CD when i hit 8
scenic bough
also, good to know that you can start getting stacks of seething when you have VO buff, so you arent wasting stacks if you revenge for SS reset
took me a while to realise this
restive scroll
Would you delay a ss for an upcoming outburst?
uneven mason
No
restive scroll
Or overcap rage
urban bramble
until you do, some general things to look out for, common mistakes of prot warri...
Actually with the Last point. I have a bar to show me my Ignore Pain but I often have Moments were i feel like I cant spam IP fast enough to keep it up in the first place. Sometimes I somehow throw out one after another and still get too much dmg. But Ill just log and check it maybe I see som bad Error myself or someone else can see.
fresh igloo
you're not trying to maintain IP
that's exactly what the last point is referring to.
you use IP for an incoming big hit, and to not cap rage
otherwise that rage could be spent on revenge for more shield slams
urban bramble
ohhh I always thought im supposed to have Block AND ip basically on 100% uptime if possible^^. I ll try that out too and look at how I do.
fresh igloo
maintain shield block
use IP to not waste rage
in practice if you're hitting all your buttons well this will still be a lot of IP casting
but if you're dumping all your rage on IP before you ever spend it on revenge you're shorting yourself.
urban bramble
is this basically just because more revenve=more rage= more IP at the end?
more rage by more shieldslam
or is the anything i dont see at revenge
urban bramble
ok ty
that clears some stuff up as i did IP before rage and use revenge if incoming dmg was low or if I capped rage. Ill try change it up and look how it goes
uncut thunder
You're looking for blocked hits, not really SB uptime, since SB uptime should be...
Ok that helps. Where is that listed or how to I get that to show ?
fresh igloo
do you have a log
burnt bay
Guys i need some help, i got 2 good vault options:
441 set item (would give me 2-set)
441 haste vers weapon with avoidance
Weapons sims higher, but in the long run set would be better? but also in 2 weeks we have catalyst... im lost
ember token
I would farm Pogstorm and took 2set, as weapon you would always replace with it. You should always look far ahead
uneven mason
Guys i need some help, i got 2 good vault options:
441 set item (would give me 2...
2set big DPS
And yeah, farm forgestorm
uncut thunder
do you have a log
vocal nimbus
And yeah, farm forgestorm
I got mine at the 38th run and only because a friend looted it
Ptsd
uneven mason
It's whetstone allover
fresh igloo
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6RaKQjFt1cfNL2YW/#boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipe...
damage taken, mouse over the "hits" section
your goal is to always make blocked melees higher 🙂
hollow flower
how much haste do u wanna have this season?
crimson furnace
healer external cd - any good weak aura to track this? or what are u guys using for raids??
fresh igloo
take ilvl, take set bonuses, but lean towards crit haste where possible.
hollow flower
isnt it crit=vers
fresh igloo
isnt it crit=vers
crit does more damage
so that's up to you
having some of everything is good
kinda hard to have zero vers/mastery
chilly brook
healer external cd - any good weak aura to track this? or what are u guys using ...
Method raid tools
Or whatever it’s called now
frosty mist
question withh raidbot, whhich scenario is the most usefull to sim ?
rustic tinsel
healer external cd - any good weak aura to track this? or what are u guys using ...
MRT or omnicd depending on what you want to see
I prefer omnicd
fresh igloo
question withh raidbot, whhich scenario is the most usefull to sim ?
do a single target sim w/ patchwerk, then add a few bosses like 3-5 for an AoE
don't use dungeon slice
frosty mist
ok thx
fresh igloo
agreed
chilly brook
Just use both tbh
fresh igloo
omnicd is great for keys but more than 5 party frames makes a clutter
rustic tinsel
I haven’t had much issue with omnicd in raid for strictly externals, but MRT is definitely better if you want to see raidwides
chilly brook
Plus you can track the extra stuff with it besides just healer CD’s, like any ret bois
Omni with raid frames gets extremely cluttered
rustic tinsel
I have a separate row that sits below my raid frames for externals, so it’s not terrible
AKA I use Naowh’s UI package 
dusky canopy
Would you delay a ss for an upcoming outburst?
If your VO proc is ready and SS is on CD you press revenge until SS is up or you run out of rage then you surrender to rng and waist VO on TC and then resume normal prio
hushed harbor
I remember some talk that FbV might be the better play this tier but I see the recommended builds using BV. Did Brutal Vitality end up staying the better choice?
fresh igloo
they're close enough that it doesn't matter too much, but i think BV was just sorta slightly ahead in practice after testing
tame jasper
oh man
that will be the worst week since ever
1st key: shami, pala, monk: nobody did affix
2nd key. pala, priest, druid: only pala had talents skilled
toxic pewter
yeah last night ret paladin didnt do any priest healer did em all
quiet minnow
crafted bracers+belt and then looted socketed crit/haste bracers+belt today back to back 👍
feeling very good and happy rn
dusky canopy
You’re probably fine still because socketed 441 vs non socketed 447 is probably close if you sim it
lusty tiger
Just bring a shaman ez
toxic pewter
dang really? thats some bad luck
strong forum
You’re probably fine still because socketed 441 vs non socketed 447 is probably ...
on wrist its about equal, on belt ilvl is worth more
urban bramble
heyy Im kinda back here and did change up some stuff and while it felt like it helped, i still had the same hps with same weights.
Another Question came up tho. What exactly is "Overuse" of Thunderclap? I feel like it should be more important and this time I kinda had it really for just dotting and otherwise it was the last thing to press (if i didnt panic^^)
sick sentinel
haven't had a single tier piece
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1113163922602725497/image.png open vault as fury they said
it will be fun they said
fresh igloo
heyy Im kinda back here and did change up some stuff and while it felt like it h...
are you using thunderclap when you could have used shield slam?
urban bramble
at least not on purpose but that answer said all that was needed^^
lusty tiger
and constantly was going off
Then that guy is a handless blind retard
fresh igloo
just remember the basic rotational priority is Shield Slam > Thunderclap > Revenge
urban bramble
ok, Thunderclap resets Shieldslam just as Revenge does no?
fresh igloo
IIRC that's something revenge does, i don't think TC does. but TC puts up other beneficial effects
and it's a rage generator instead of a spender
uncut thunder
your goal is to always make blocked melees higher 🙂
Very helpful. I feel like I spam SB as I have it macroed in SSlam. I did see in the tip section to also macro it into IP to “snip” some blocks. Maybe I’m a noob for macroing it but when I had it on a separate Keybinds it was for sure under 80%
fresh igloo
they have different roles in the rotation
cerulean vault
what embelishments are you guys running?
fresh igloo
Very helpful. I feel like I spam SB as I have it macroed in SSlam. I did see in ...
I'm not sure what tip you're referring to but you may have misread it, you would consider adding shield slam after IP in case you got a reset you didn't notice
fresh igloo
what embelishments are you guys running?
shadowflame x2. unstable frostfire belt is also an option.
fresh igloo
Very helpful. I feel like I spam SB as I have it macroed in SSlam. I did see in ...
make sure you're not just blasting shield block for no reason to the point where you over cap the duration
you want to maintain it, and you can stack the duration, but there is an upper limit where you could be wasting
cerulean vault
thank you, so nobody is playing lariat anymore?
fresh igloo
if you have enough sockets it MIGHT still be worth using, but it did get toned down and others got buffed some. if you're curious I'd just sim out the differences.
urban portal
If dps players aren’t too good for sporecloak you can run it too
jagged pier
Then that guy is a handless blind retard
well we also had a mage
who didnt do them ither
when the shammy asked for help
the mage generally asked
'how do i see where they are spawning?'
proper roost
Based
jagged pier
yep
proper roost
Seems really easy for healer to solo them idk
limpid anchor
@warm plinth why are all teh top parsers in first boss using barbaric :<
its the best talent!
cerulean vault
guys are you running brutal vitality or fueled by violence?
rose orchid
Nah healer needs at least 1 dps to help. Many dps classes have a dispel/cure/cleanse/etc that's literally point and click instant cast
jagged pier
<@255696891000389633> why are all teh top parsers in first boss using barbaric :...
because it sims 100dps more
limpid anchor
because it sims 100dps more
so its better :<
jagged pier
no
rose orchid
Have you tried it kanga?
limpid anchor
sense not even top 5 smh
rose orchid
On my evoker, I can cleanse 1, then spend 5 or 6 seconds hard casting to heal the other with living flame
Or use a big cd verdant embrace + 1 living flame
rose orchid
It's literally 1 point and click from a dps
It's so damn easy why not help the healer out?
hazy bronze
But muh overall pepega
rose orchid
I was frustrated with incorporeal last week as prot warrior, because we can't realistically do anything about it. Then I heal and dps on evoker "oh wow this takes 2.5 seconds to fix the problem with a cc"
DPS laziest low iq mfers in the game
lusty tiger
well we also had a mage
That is the usual pug mage experience
jagged pier
he ever decursed himself on the last boss
fresh igloo
sounds like the max HP on afflicted might be around 200k
sick sentinel
you can't macro target them
im reading wowhead comments
but i mean, i would think that prevoker would thrive this week
dusky canopy
So this new affix
Does it spawn multiple or just one?
I haven’t run a key yet this week
sick sentinel
dusky canopy
Oh so it’s an issue when there’s two if group doesn’t assist healer right?
sick sentinel
forums poster
round pendant
idk this afflicted shit seems to do hardly any damage
sick sentinel
let the healers freak out about it this week is what i say
its a totally new thing and people hate change
tawdry topaz
Hey! The #268491842637660160 recommends icy-veins & wowhead talent lists, is that still a good recommendation?
dusky canopy
Tanks of course
Yes
What is the negative effect they cause if you don’t do the affix?
Reduced damage like incorp?
obsidian harness
-100% haste
obsidian harness
Dps aren't big thinkers xD
chrome falcon
vers
sick sentinel
whats wrong with using chaos flask
knotty stump
Did Blizz ever fix the battering ram crit bug?
sick sentinel
i have a bunch of those in my bags, so im using those ATM
dusky canopy
From the fix
dusky canopy
Matt witch boss was that, curious.
chilly brook
Might be a 1 and done kinda week for this guy
Ironically it’s actually such an easy week
dusky canopy
Seems like a lot of classes can handle it so I don’t see why it’s not considered easy
chilly brook
Like raging isn’t that bad either
dusky canopy
Maybe it’s just healers crying
chilly brook
And it’s a cleanse
Super ez
Like almost any class that’s a hybrid can deal with it
chilly brook
Ye because it’s 3 different buffs
And any of them can do at least one
Which is all that’s required
dusky canopy
Is it literally just cast a gcd on it and it’s gone?
chilly brook
Healers are whining because if it doesn’t get cleansed it has to be healed to full before it goes away
chilly brook
Is it literally just cast a gcd on it and it’s gone?
Yep
dusky canopy
You are playing dragon boy right?
chilly brook
But I also have mass soothe
chrome falcon
Matt witch boss was that, curious.
HC magmorax
chilly brook
chilly brook
I also got my 4 piece last night plus neltharions call to chaos
chilly brook
I love it
dusky canopy
Anything that’s annoying to you?
chilly brook
Eh not really
Outside of having to interrupt my channels sometimes because forced movement
But that’s just caster problems
dusky canopy
HC magmorax
I won’t even come close until I get 4pc and trinkets but you killed it bro, siccc
dusky canopy
Outside of having to interrupt my channels sometimes because forced movement
Do you prefer sending out full channeled spells all the time or is there some min max to clipping them and stuff?
chilly brook
Do you prefer sending out full channeled spells all the time or is there some mi...
TLDR you basically want to get full value out of them all
You can recast after 3rd tick of channel and you don’t lose any damage, the 4th tick just gets added to the next channel
The only times you’re clipping really is to send empowered spells or just simply because you’re overcapped on resources
At least that’s my understanding
Clipping like it was last season is dead
dusky canopy
Nice nice I definitely need to give it a shot
I hit 60 on it in pre patch and parked it since
restive crown
do i have to get out of the homeland aoe? or cn we prolly tank thru it?
chrome falcon
just tank it
daring light
any weak auras for prot set effect?
warm plinth
do i have to get out of the homeland aoe? or cn we prolly tank thru it?
Remember that tanking it is reducing the damage it does to the enemies though. E.g. in single target you're literally cutting the damage it deals in half because it is splitting on you.
restive crown
oh ya 🤔
warm plinth
So you can tank it. But you really shouldn't
restive crown
yes I prolly shouldn't then lol
chilly brook
Nice nice I definitely need to give it a shot
It’s pretty straightforward but there’s a lot of optimization in it that you can do
Simple to pickup, definitely some room to master
round pendant
What exactly am I spellblocking in uldaman?
acoustic oasis
Yes
Chain lightning , stone bolt, hail of stones or whatever its called
If it sounds magical you spellblock it
fresh igloo
bromach, emberon, and deios all have spell blockable effects. trash mechanics as well.
do you need spell block for uld tho?
what level are you doing?
round pendant
Nothing high yet, just curious since it's mentioned in the pins
acoustic oasis
Or i recommend spellblock for fort week
fresh igloo
i've been taking spell block for fort nelth so far, that's all
acoustic oasis
Especially since you cant cc that last 30% of mob health
toxic pewter
I think spell block just helps with a lot of the trash mobs throughout. also on tyr, helps on final boss in uld
acoustic oasis
I do spellblock for 18+
sick sentinel
will LS take priority over SW for "don't die" button when i have 2 and or 4 bonus (season 2)?? I imagine that you still send SW first as a don't die button but situationall what you need to hit.
acoustic oasis
441 ilvl so anything less i shrug off
fresh igloo
will LS take priority over SW for "don't die" button when i have 2 and or 4 bonu...
LS with set bonus becomes an on-cooldown
you should have it up every minute basically
sick sentinel
or is it jus you send both on everything that doesn't require proper dr usage
fresh igloo
most people probably aren't using shield wall enough either
but don't just pop it on CD for no reason at all, right?
start of a big pull is a great time to smooth it out
sick sentinel
Sw is a very good don't die button
primal mauve
So I used my first Shadowflame Spark to make a shield, what would be the next thing I should make?
warm plinth
The other patch probably. Or belt if you have eranog ring
sick sentinel
i doubt it, but i wonder if you can put the shadowflame embellishment on the engineer bracers
warm plinth
Engi bracers can't be embellished
sick sentinel
even the normal ones with just a socket right
warm plinth
Normal ones?
sick sentinel
i think its a tinker socket
warm plinth
Yes if it has a tinker socket it can't be embellished
sick sentinel
but it doesn't count for embellishment, so im told.
warm plinth
It doesn't. But it can't have both.
sick sentinel
well, i tried to break the system
primal mauve
The other patch probably. Or belt if you have eranog ring
I dont have the eranog ring, wjat did you mean by the other patcch?
warm plinth
2nd shadowflame patch
sand drum
hey @sick sentinel @warm plinth sorry for interrupting, really struggle with Zsakarn rn HC, and I cant survive it got any tips ?
warm plinth
Kinda reliant on healers for that fight assuming you're using your defensives wisely already
It's one of the two truly horrible fights for prot war
sick sentinel
logs can point to flaws
im not good at reading logs, but i upload a few every now and then
sand drum
logs can point to flaws
will take a look, completely forgot about those
jagged pier
use AA slows
taunt the moment the debuff falls off
bombs use immunities
really not that bad
waxen cradle
Hey guys how worth while is it to craft the Unstable belt if your coming back from a WoW break and have a low item level belt
fresh igloo
either that or primal greatbelt w/ shadowflame is probably a good pick
waxen cradle
Ok just wondering I mean yes the belt gives a slow but were warriors so that is not a huge selling point
cinder nova
@jagged pier 441 happy?
fresh igloo
unstable frostfire belt does a decent amount of damage for a throughput embellishment
cinder nova
Only like 200 DPS behind double shadowflame
fresh igloo
all of the embellishments are close-ish in value tho
main reason to prio unstable frostfire is if you're still using the flame proc ring from last season raid
craggy pilot
how does the bombs work in P1 Sarkareth? are you supposed to pull the boss away from them or what?
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> 441 happy?
only your happiness can be tied what u want it to be
craggy pilot
had a pug leader say "dont pull away"
waxen cradle
But it still counts against our 2 embellisments right ? So I personally would rather have the extra shadowflame
primal mauve
should I get engineer bracers if im an engineer, I think it was said that you cant embellish it. Would it still be worth crafting?
cinder nova
I'm not going for a second Shadowflame patch because the DPS gain is pretty trivial and UFFB scales anyway
So it might eclipse it next tier
waxen cradle
ah ok
fresh igloo
But it still counts against our 2 embellisments right ? So I personally would ra...
the general suggestion is either 1 shadowflame + unstable, or shadowflame x2. it's your call which.
waxen cradle
@fresh igloo Yeah I had figured, trying to gauge the value of the two for myself
fresh igloo
sim the comparison!
lusty grotto
ok who is itank, i know its one of you cause i recognize the name
pallid quiver
if they played well, it's me, if they played shit, it's not me
lusty grotto
of course of course
toxic pewter
just watched a stream on neltharus and dps grabbing the chains into the mobs... they freaking own
gotta get more people using them now
I guess I can grab them too but only 1 every 3 min i think?
cinder nova
Yeah. The fact they don't deal player damage anymore is kinda busted.
toxic pewter
yeah im def going to say to my groups to use them at the start of the key
warm plinth
I guess I can grab them too but only 1 every 3 min i think?
Correct. You get a debuff for 3 min that prevents you from using another one
toxic pewter
Yeah I am going to make it a point to grab a chain as much as possible
can you heroic leap with it
or even charge
need a map that shows all their locations
warm plinth
yeah you can
charred ivy
how does that work? i used last week and whole grp wiped xD
charred ivy
oh sweet xD
proper roost
Have you tried it kanga?
ok i just healed a couple keys with it
ya it's a joke, prevoker issue lol
cloudburst has literally randomly popped an afflicted multiple times without me realizing
if a healer can't solo the affix 95% of the time they suck
fresh igloo
what level key ?
fresh igloo
how much health did they have at a 17? like 160k or something?
proper roost
143 yeah
fresh igloo
cool thanks
proper roost
in 20 it's ~160
lusty grotto
there's been 2 fucking separate people saying that the sakareth adds do not have a threat table
fresh igloo
i was seeing up to 190k
proper roost
But like yeah it literally takes <4 casts at my current, very undergeared self
fresh igloo
supposedly at isn't supposed to scale past 20
lusty grotto
im giga confused cause they fucking follow me everywhere
proper roost
if i don't have cloudburst up (solo pops it)
fresh igloo
not sure if that's in effect
proper roost
or poison cleanse (same thing)
ocean yoke
They definitely have a threat table
warm plinth
wat
lusty grotto
im like HUH
warm plinth
They 100% have a threat table lol
lusty grotto
and this other guy last week was like "tanks dont get adds" when this other lock was supposedly pulling agro
i swear to god giga gaslighting
lusty grotto
warm plinth
yep
lusty grotto
fresh igloo
they definitely have an aggro table.
lusty grotto
but then i was like hold up, could he actually be right
fresh igloo
I've had to help my tanks get one back in to their range before.
ocean yoke
It being surrounded by all those people bailing just makes it perfect
warm plinth
Nope he's definitely wrong.
I've never been more sure of anything in my entire life.
lusty grotto
where are people getting this idea that adds aren't tanked
timid thicket
So what are your favorite dungeons so far on fort/tyrann? I dreaded BH before the season but it kinda slaps tbh
fresh igloo
they made some major changes to BH to make it not actual cancer before the season went live
lusty grotto
ive been hopping on fucking heroic groups for sarkareth cause its faster
fresh igloo
that first boss encounter can really ruin a healer's day though.
warm plinth
I cannot believe that dude said they don't have a threat table XD
lusty grotto
every single season, on every expanstion except when i quit
i just wanna play some zelda man
😢
mighty valley
I cannot believe that dude said they don't have a threat table XD
probably failed to target, didn't notice, taunted sarkareth, "wow no threat table"
warm plinth
@lusty grotto Shocking.
strong forum
im very unhappy with my HC parses..
warm plinth
Sorry that's why I kept your name out of the pic
strong forum
bro id be terrified if that were my parses
strong forum
reupload it
lusty grotto
idk if i still have it ill have to check
lusty grotto
im curious about 4pc numbers
strong forum
lusty grotto
kinda sus holding to pad on adds
strong forum
i didnt pad on adds
lusty grotto
jesus fuck it did 15% damage on that fight
strong forum
you got alot of add waves huh
lusty grotto
yea pugs be like that
im doing absolute dogshit as arms on sarkareth lmao
well it didnt help that my arms WAs got fucking deleted
strong forum
can use my arms pack
strong forum
should show everything relevant, except executioners precision but you dont rly min max that i imagine
dunno the debuff ID
lusty grotto
yeah i dont min max EP
i dont min max prowess either
i just send MS when its up
maybe that's a problem
strong forum
nah MS is full prio
lusty grotto
but whatever ill check later on the arms channel