Most of the goofballs get lost in Fury anyway
#protection
fast knot
daring marlin
shoulda seen the weirdos whining about the slap on the wrist prot pallies caught when 10.1 coming
dusky canopy
It’s quite funny
crude notch
and you play on argent dawn so your opinion is invalid
(For legal purposes, this was a joke)
dusky canopy
LUL
crude notch
sorta
dusky canopy
edgy venture
and you play on argent dawn so your opinion is invalid
don't worry I get that everywhere 🙂
pastel sleet
Eta on servers?
toxic pewter
I just got word from Ion, the servers are delayed another 18 hours
dusky canopy
EIGHTEEN
gentle whale
Oh wow, they’re still down? Glad I work on reset day anyway. 😎
crude notch
did like no one reason the note?
dusky canopy
Do the day after launch
fast knot
Bad day for food poisoning
dusky canopy
Lol Gottem
fast knot
Can't even get disappointed by my vault on time 
dusky canopy
I’m super stoked for that btw
I haven’t decided if I’m going to play through as bear or war yet
dusky canopy
Spin to win
daring marlin
inb4 the holy class they add is a Priest.
mighty valley
almost everything in diablo is some bastard from hell, so
you just smite those fools
toxic pewter
just cant see them not doing paladin tho
just too much $$$ in paladin
it would just be bad business not to do pal
crude notch
Guys if I get banned I want you to know that I love you
daring marlin
When I say Priest I don't mean like WoW
Similar to how Crusader was a pally all but in name
toxic pewter
yeah but to bring back Paladin from Diablo 2... people want that bad
it hasn't been done yet
edgy venture
am i the only one who misses witch doctor.
toxic pewter
so they def gonna pull it out of the back pocket
dusky canopy
I thought witch doctor was neat
toxic pewter
yeah witch doctor was cool but alas people want the necro more
dusky canopy
I did a play through on all of them in D3
reef sable
Are people still using the belt embellishment primarily, or would swapping it out for the cloak embellishment be a good idea? I'd be able to craft it to 447 this week so just curious as to what others are thinking here.
sinful stone
so what's the current m+ spec with 4pc? dont see anything in pins
prisma crane
Are people still using the belt embellishment primarily, or would swapping it ou...
you referring to the spore? i'd only make that if you also pvp a lot
acoustic oasis
About to be belt/bracer shadowflame here
edgy venture
I just run belt lariat until something sims better then I'll switch to sfpatch+belt.
sinful stone
how come that spec has battering ram over some aoe talents?
copper lava
on the last boss in BH, does spell reflect work on the heal absorb he puts on you? I feel like it was a lot lower when I used it
toxic pewter
how come that spec has battering ram over some aoe talents?
battering ram owns hard and everyone should be using it
edgy venture
on the last boss in BH, does spell reflect work on the heal absorb he puts on yo...
this is one of the reasons I still have scrolling battle text, to check if something pops up as reflect/absorb.
sinful stone
are you sure it's not just an artifact from when it was bugged and was affecting ALL of our crit dmg? it's been hotfixed like two weeks ago
fresh igloo
yes, it was good/recommended before anyone knew it was bugged and doing more than it should
toxic pewter
it just adds a lot of damage even after the bug fix, I guess you don't have to take it if you don't want to though
sinful stone
i guess i was just looking for confirmation that it's better than like tough as nails or even bloodborne; wasnt obvious to me that it was
fresh igloo
note the pins recommending what you MIGHT drop if you need spell block
(thus those being likely to be the least impactful to drop)
daring marlin
Guys if I get banned I want you to know that I love you
stop being taxic
mighty valley
i guess i was just looking for confirmation that it's better than like tough as ...
you can sim it but it's definitely better, attack speed gives more SS resets through devastator which gives us more... everything
crude notch
they were arguing about mog and someone got kicked over it so I thought I'd join in naturally
daring marlin
glass iron
Is the prot sim APL on raidbots any good atm?
crude notch
Yes, is there something that looks wrong to you? I'll send it to the boss man if there is.
holy shit
that's not an emote
that's a sticker
glass iron
How do we sim M+ is 5 target 1 min patchwerk or is dslice any good for tank
fresh igloo
don't use slice
glass iron
ty
fresh igloo
do one Single target and one multi-target
glass iron
👍🏻
mighty valley
yeah i just do separate 1, 5, 10 target sims and draw conclusions
craggy pilot
do i go Impenetrable Wall or Defenders Aegis in Rashok?
modern brook
Uhhhh I haven't don't the m fight but I cant think of a reason you would need aegis
mighty valley
are the only dangerous things in the whole fight closer than a minute apart? that's kind of the only time double wall is better
toxic pewter
IW is best
olive bay
In your guys opinion how much better is Pally for keys? Is it exaggerated or are they just leaps and bounds better?
reef sable
you referring to the spore? i'd only make that if you also pvp a lot
Yeah the spore. I was just curious if it'd be worth it for raiding or M+ as well. I have the trinket with the shield, but I feel like it'd be useful to have the self heal going on as well as another oh shit shield.
reef sable
In your guys opinion how much better is Pally for keys? Is it exaggerated or are...
Pally definitely has it easier with their tier set, but I think warrior is pretty much in the same place it has been. Just 2nd place now due to all the pally set self healing haha
daring marlin
In your guys opinion how much better is Pally for keys? Is it exaggerated or are...
Warrior is a mere mortal and Paladin is a God.
mighty valley
In your guys opinion how much better is Pally for keys? Is it exaggerated or are...
these things are always exaggerated, people shouldn't be rejecting warriors from their 15s or whatever, but the gap is decent
olive bay
Well, I ask because it's rated D tier on subcreation
daring marlin
Pally definitely has it easier with their tier set, but I think warrior is prett...
you fuckin' what
modern brook
In your guys opinion how much better is Pally for keys? Is it exaggerated or are...
Pally util is very applicable this season, especially with the new affixes
olive bay
these things are always exaggerated, people shouldn't be rejecting warriors from...
I'm looking to push 23-25s this tier
mighty valley
you'd generally be better off ignoring subcreation forever
olive bay
That's why I'm asking
modern brook
Other then thag I think pally is slightly better but not notably as far as living goes
daring marlin
New pally tier is hot garbage for m+ compared to prior tier
strong forum
subcreation is a just an automated site which ranks classes based on highest keylevel done > popularity
nothing else
toxic pewter
there are prot warrs already doing 25s
strong forum
its a very poor source of information
modern brook
Damage wize were lagging cause of the bug fix 😦
strong forum
its not handmade or anything
just automated scraping of logs
and checks how often X class does which keylevel
if a 10 paladins do 26s and 1 pwar does a 25
well that means pwar will be ranked very low compared to paladin
despite the difference only being 1 keylevel
torn gust
i wish they gave warriors a brez or hero :v
plush tendon
we call it bloodlust
mighty valley
if you're equally experienced with both tanks, they're equally geared, blah blah blah, yeah I think running paladin would probably give your team the best shot
acoustic oasis
Have them shout someone alive
copper lava
why do we have an extended maint today?
toxic pewter
I still think they should make rallying cry better in dungeons like they did with some healing CDs
craggy pilot
isnt Rashok doing 2 tank busters in every phase, and they are like 45 sec apart?
so i wont have Shield Wall for both
acoustic oasis
"Get the fuck up jeremy jesus christ"
plush tendon
isnt Rashok doing 2 tank busters in every phase, and they are like 45 sec apart?
can always swap to D-Stance or hold demo
prisma crane
Yeah the spore. I was just curious if it'd be worth it for raiding or M+ as well...
na, generally not worth it for it, the gain isnt useful enough, that said, its not complete shit and i see a lot of pvpers using it, so depending on what you play ymmv
plush tendon
or external
craggy pilot
true
mighty valley
isnt Rashok doing 2 tank busters in every phase, and they are like 45 sec apart?
your choice is being super covered for one phase or covered for every other buster over the whole fight
craggy pilot
and i can IV between
torn gust
I still think they should make rallying cry better in dungeons like they did wit...
rally cry that increases healing received
craggy pilot
and Spell Reflect 🤔
toxic pewter
did you guys see augmentation evoker is getting a 5 man 20% temporary max health and its a 1.5 min cd with 2 charges
prisma crane
for heroic it gets WAY easier if you just have a 3rd pally tank just take care of bombs nearly perma
edgy venture
My off-tank is a Paladin and we have a Holy pala aswell, + Hunter so they take a burden off of me.
drifting pecan
guys is it that bad to be always on defensive stance in a prog boss in mythic?
toxic gyro
and Spell Reflect 🤔
Also have last stand
mighty valley
guys is it that bad to be always on defensive stance in a prog boss in mythic?
while you're learning and getting comfortable it's fine, but it's free damage you can pick up once you figure out the fight
uneven mason
guys is it that bad to be always on defensive stance in a prog boss in mythic?
Not really, unless you're losing aggro to the other tank
Or you're not confident in your healers
drifting pecan
my officers often gets at me because sometimes with cd i switch to battle stance :\
like 'healers cant struggle with you to on battle stance mate'
torn gust
ye
uneven mason
my officers often gets at me because sometimes with cd i switch to battle stance...
Your officers are nutters
toxic pewter
servers up NA
sick sentinel
im logging on
edgy venture
Holinka leaving Blizz apparently.
uneven mason
sick sentinel
only wasrn't first to post it
shrewd cedar
COME ON 4 PIECE
sick sentinel
cuz discord 32bit in 2023 omegalul
edgy venture
32bit anything in 2023 omegalul
daring marlin
@crude notch I hope you get fantastic loot in your vault
sick sentinel
i mean, wind10/11 only runs off 64bt
crude notch
<@714890000189358110> I hope you get fantastic loot in your vault
i hope you do too
hexed fox
Good luck with your vaults all.
edgy venture
i mean, wind10/11 only runs off 64bt
I'm on Linux.
toxic pewter
osnap can craft another item this week too
acoustic oasis
^
toxic pewter
wat u guys crafting
mighty valley
i have a meeting in ten minutes, don't do this to me loading screens
toxic pewter
yeah im stuck on loading prob gonna get a world server down any moment
sudden sable
bar went to 75% and then dc'd me
sudden sable
crafting belt today prob.
toxic pewter
bar went to 75% and then dc'd me
same are you on area 52 or illidan i bet
sudden sable
a52
sudden sable
DF launch of a52 was literally the worst lol
sick sentinel
eh, just keep trying to log in i guess
pastel sleet
is pocket anvil worth grabbing out of vault? no tier or forgestorm
toxic pewter
DF launch of a52 was literally the worst lol
yeah it was one of the rougher xpac launches imo
shrewd cedar
OH LAME ASSS VAULT!
plain vapor
tfw no forgestorm
sudden sable
haste/vers ring not bad tho ya?
toxic pewter
is pocket anvil worth grabbing out of vault? no tier or forgestorm
anvil is a badass trinket I would use one if I had the chance
sick sentinel
as fury or prot
toxic pewter
im doing fury
sick sentinel
HOLY FUCK
daring marlin
My turn once I'm done at the gym!
quick spruce
Signoll flair trinket is ass
oak ivy
quick spruce
Barely does 1% overall damage
sudden sable
ya. random stun procs so bad 😦
craggy pilot
Also have last stand
true but im using that on CD because of this tier set 😄
frank reef
Hello everyone, I come to you for some information, recently I realize that more and more protection warriors are moving towards crit, I can't find any sources in this direction but do our stat priorities have changed? from Hate > Versa > Crit to Hate > Crit > Versa?
Thanks for your feedback 🙂
prisma crane
<:critcake:984549832511344640>
easy cloak, 447 chest easier to get when catalyst comes
oak ivy
If it makes a difference i am fury for raid as well
craggy pilot
what is the play for Zskarn HC? like do people run 3 tanks always or?
sudden sable
dont think there's a new "best strat" yet. changes havent been live that long yet.
strong forum
well grapnel is alright
toxic pewter
omg after 50 lair runs.. the vault has rewarded me
strong forum
but there are better options
unkempt rover
well I have icon and 241 whetstone
unkempt rover
im simming rn, but its looking like grapnel
toxic pewter
wat u guys think 447 mark or heroic grapnel
strong forum
wat u guys think 447 mark or heroic grapnel
ashkandur for tmog
toxic pewter
ashkandur for tmog
already got
unkempt rover
do I replace icon or whetsone
strong forum
icon
toxic gyro
true but im using that on CD because of this tier set 😄
Living > max dmg, personally I would ask for external cd to cover gaps
toxic pewter
yeah is mark actually shit trinket or wat
damn it
i was worried that may be the case
toxic pewter
is it a frontal or wat
strong forum
yea
toxic pewter
hmmm
sick sentinel
since im never gunna play fury, i took trinket
strong forum
like decanter from SD in SL
sick sentinel
was hoping more for armor
toxic pewter
is heroic grapnel actually the pick perhaps?
strong forum
if you upgrade it to 441
toxic pewter
yeah i would
unkempt rover
same
daring marlin
people trash grapnel
strong forum
its only 1.2k dps worse in the BEST case scenario FOR MARK
daring marlin
that fucker slaps
toxic pewter
the strength on it is good or wat
sick sentinel
so, once again, tradition continues of yogi has cursed trinkets
strong forum
strength is the thing that makes grapnel good
strong forum
sure
strong forum
like mark is still good, just gotta be aware of it being a frontal
toxic pewter
thanks for headsup tbh i didnt realize it worked that way
sick sentinel
generally speaking im not a fan of frontal trinkets
torn gust
mediocre
nocturne zodiac
thoughts?
dusky canopy
Ring
strong forum
ring or socket
torn gust
yeah ring
nocturne zodiac
ring it is!
pastel sleet
grapnel > anvil in m+ correct
strong forum
not if you can maintain stacks of anvil
dusky canopy
Ehhhh
strong forum
anvil very easily can overtake grapnel
dusky canopy
Yeah what he said
sudden sable
depends on dungeon
vagrant gazelle
is it worth the stam loss to take sark cloak fro mvault
strong forum
thats me having full uptime of 5 stacks of anvil
almost 1k dps diff between the 2
livid island
hero track splinter or 447 cragshaper?? help me
sudden sable
oof imagine looting prot
dusky canopy
Ok so
strong forum
this dude has almost all tank trinkets in the game in 1 vaul god damn
copper lava
gearing up, LFR hands or normal legs or 441 belt with socket.... I only have 2pc
livid island
yeah thats my main thought on why i want splinter, just dont know if ivl difference of 447 on crag is worth over splinter
dusky canopy
Ideally probably splinter but it isn’t 447
livid island
447 kinda nuts
dusky canopy
So that makes me lean towards talisman
strong forum
from a pure absorb standpoint talisman is alot more
talisman is more dmg however cuz strength
and you dont necessarily need an absorb every single minute
that being said
dusky canopy
I’d probably do talisman
dusky canopy
My reason is because In the situations you would even consider it
You’re not worried about dps necessarily
strong forum
my reason is just if you want a 441 splinter just grind it
you cant grind 447 talisman
livid island
crag stats at 447
dusky canopy
True true
sick sentinel
is afflicted tank things
strong forum
afflicted is healer things
sudden sable
not unless your dps and healer ignores it
strong forum
none of your concern
wraith hemlock
How strong is the cragshaper thou? Wowhead says its meeh
strong forum
cragshaper is really strong
dusky canopy
Yeah but what you can’t see is it also works with IP so it’s actually like 1.2m absorb iirc
wraith hemlock
I have cragshapper at 444 so I'll probably stick to that
livid island
yeah
dusky canopy
True
strong forum
splinter on hero track you can always grind
strong forum
so if you pick splinter, you all you did was just pick an end of dungeon item
dusky canopy
Never pick an item you can hard grind for out of a dungeon
strong forum
i wouldnt say never, but the tradeoff between the 2 right there is pretty small aside from dmg output
livid island
i gotchu
pastel sleet
for m+, im aiming for heart of thunder and mark of dargrul. am i stupid?
strong forum
its basically talisman is mega turtle, whereas splinter is only normal turtle
dusky canopy
Well yeah that’s fair “never” within reason
strong forum
for m+, im aiming for heart of thunder and mark of dargrul. am i stupid?
those are your best m+ offensive trinkets
crimson mountain
447 splinter stats
modern brook
Im a big fan of mega anything tbh
toxic solar
any cuties in here tryan get kissed?
left basalt
441 shoulders, lets fucking go
dusky canopy
Only mega kisses
strong forum
447 splinter stats
half of the self dmg it inflicts already goes into the absorb of it
pastel sleet
those are your best m+ offensive trinkets
are they the best trinkets for damage in m+ or are they the best trinkets you can get out of m+?
strong forum
best trinkets you can get out of m+
crude notch
ain't no shot i'm taking coins on my damn bear
sick sentinel
that spinter is really only worth 320k anyways.
heres real numbers if you need the without buffs
silk sandal
is this worth taking if i have the exact same piece without the avoidance over a 447 pants to hold to catalyze?
I guess, how good is avoidance
strong forum
its sexy, but not worth over ilvl
pastel sleet
at the end of the season, what 2 offensive trinkets do you think the best prot warriors will be running in keys?
sick sentinel
tool tip says 386,202 dmg, and after using it i had 364,500 shield
strong forum
at the end of the season, what 2 offensive trinkets do you think the best prot w...
anvil + bacon
and if you cant use bacon anymore cuz of its cast time, itll be ominous essence + anvil
silk sandal
so its not worth ilvl, but is it worth it now vs ilvl several weeks from now when catalyst drops
sick sentinel
so, i don't know precisely how that works, but that it immediately cuts into your bubble that it creates, is wrong
dusky canopy
Ominous sims huge for me on 10t with haste
strong forum
so its not worth ilvl, but is it worth it now vs ilvl several weeks from now whe...
thats only a thing you can answer, long term the 447 is worth more
sick sentinel
it DOES, seem to 50% the dmg on use
dusky canopy
I like it
strong forum
so, i don't know precisely how that works, but that it immediately cuts into you...
yes
daring marlin
ain't no shot i'm taking coins on my damn bear
strong forum
the self dmg you take from splinter, half of it already goes into the absorb
thats why the absorb of splinter is actually less than talisman
couple with the fact that its 30sec longer CD
dusky canopy
The trade off is you get main stat with splinter
crude notch
no tier from raid no tier from vault
dusky canopy
Do tell Jordan
dusky canopy
Haven’t heard to many people asking about it
strong forum
ik
crude notch
you'll only get it on vault days normally
dusky canopy
Mostly just “is this one good”
strong forum
but its always a lengthy explanation if it does come up
sick sentinel
well, review the photos i have
dusky canopy
Very tru
waxen frigate
Haven’t heard to many people asking about it
Lots of ppl forget the NL trinks exist for tanks
tropic linden
Got Ominous Chromatic Essence and Zaqali Chaos Grapnel... What do I pick? Why the guide says Grapnel is more dmg than Essense if it's BiS for Fury?
sick sentinel
the BUFF says i get 365,, the tool tip says 380k, and then i get hit for 50k
dusky canopy
Got Ominous Chromatic Essence and Zaqali Chaos Grapnel... What do I pick? Why th...
Ilvl of the items?
sick sentinel
so, even still then, thats only a 15 difference
tropic linden
HC
tropic linden
Ilvl of the items?
Both HC, 441
crude notch
Worst part is obviously sims want me to take raid horn but like, that trinket is such bait man
strong forum
dont take raidhorn
crude notch
ik i won't
dusky canopy
I would take the ominous personally
strong forum
Got Ominous Chromatic Essence and Zaqali Chaos Grapnel... What do I pick? Why th...
essence is better on aoe
dusky canopy
I also haven’t played with grapnel
tropic linden
essence is better on aoe
I only tank in M+, so essense is BiS all the way right?
Haste?
dusky canopy
Ye
strong forum
that i would just sim which buff
sick sentinel
where is the potentional downsides to the other shielding tirnket
orchid mural
Hmm! 447 vers/haste weap, or keep my 441 forgestorm?
strong forum
so its a decent dmg loss
strong forum
Hmm! 447 vers/haste weap, or keep my 441 forgestorm?
447 for large pullcount push keys, like BH FH, otherwise forgestorm
wraith hemlock
f
orchid mural
447 for large pullcount push keys, like BH FH, otherwise forgestorm
ty friend
crude notch
basically what my vault comes down to
dusky canopy
Big number
sudden sable
cant even imagine seeing tier in my vault.
strong forum
so far im 2/2 for tier in vault
tropic marsh
Hm, do I skip a champion tier piece if it only gets me to 3/4 pieces in favor of leech 441 BH Bracers?
sick sentinel
well, i'm looking at talisman in the dungeon journal right now, and, i would probably use it, but i would still also want to have my treemouth and dreadplates and whatever else i happen to get
tropic marsh
strong forum
do your raid first, see if you can snag tierset
4pc is a bigger upgrade than farmable bracers
crimson mountain
the BUFF says i get 365,, the tool tip says 380k, and then i get hit for 50k
Can confirm im seeing similar results
tropic marsh
do your raid first, see if you can snag tierset
Oh right, I can wait...nice call
How rare are the leech role?
strong forum
yeah you can literally hold this vault until end of season if you wanted
leech rolls are pretty rare
daring marlin
I'm sure if I see tier in my vault on my pally it'll be helm or chest, which I already have.
viral elk
craft bracers or boots? both are 415/421. are there any notable boots or bracers off the top of anyones heads from raid/mythic?
need a second shadowflame embellish on either
strong forum
boots have more stats than wrists
crude notch
Do I go 441 ring and craft 447 bracers/cloak or go socket and craft ring. That's what I've narrowed it down to.
viral elk
boots have more stats than wrists
fair, thank you
sick sentinel
Can confirm im seeing similar results
im still a bit curious how you managed to make it have a BIGGER bubble than listed
modern brook
im confused whats confusing
hollow hill
Earthen smash fucking slaps god damn
strong forum
ye, makes the class more exciting to play
sick sentinel
well for reference and addendum i got 7% vers, 1444 rating
astral whale
Frenzying Signoll Flare any good?
crude notch
no
strong forum
signoll flare is uh VERY random
astral whale
any estimate as to its contribution over an average key?
sick sentinel
says it goes off once a minute on wowhead
sounds good to me, see how it goes i guess
regal estuary
we ideally want to drop chest from set right? Trying to decide on 441 chest (replacing 424) or Heroic tier helm with a socket :\
strong forum
why chest
waxen frigate
it doesnt sim half bad but its the new ruby whelpling
Yikes
sudden sable
legs iirc
strong forum
ye legs dun have haste
waxen frigate
I got a 415 mace from my normal clear on my warr last week. Might mess around and try prot again this tier
regal estuary
was it legs? maybe someone just slipped crack into my lunch
regal estuary
"To unlock the tier set bonus, you'll need to equip 4 pieces of the tier set. Protection Warriors prefer equipping tier pieces on Helm, Legs, Shoulder, and Gloves." <- Wowhead writeup :\
regal estuary
but you're right, no haste on legs
strong forum
"To unlock the tier set bonus, you'll need to equip 4 pieces of the tier set. Pr...
the wowhead guide is written before the stat change on the tiersets happened
modern brook
was it?
strong forum
ye i asked
modern brook
rip\
sick sentinel
yeah, if u want to run tests or whatever or pin on treemouth vs whatever
sounds good to me
left basalt
omg after 50 lair runs.. the vault has rewarded me
toxic pewter
yeah dude 😄
edgy bone
Can someone ELI5 this new Last STand playstyle -with tier set? I rarely ever need to use the button, its like my oh shit button
ruby musk
sudden sable
lol
hexed fox
Is elemental lariat worth crafting or was it nerfed?
topaz raptor
that vial trinket is really good, right? ? ive got 2 set right now and could use that helm but for trinkets im using shard of rokma and zaqali grapnel .
sudden sable
best to use it early in the pull to be able to use the aoe damage component before things are dead lol
silk sandal
Random question, how much of a difference would a 447 main hand with stats make on survivability over a 437 forgestorm?
regal estuary
are y'all enchanting/gemming all haste or are you swapping it up once you hit that 30% mark?
strong forum
Random question, how much of a difference would a 447 main hand with stats make ...
way too hard to answer, survivability cant be put into numbers
silk sandal
I am getting erased by the tank dot on forgotten experiments and would love to mitigate as much as I can.
sudden sable
swap as frequently as possible w/o refreshing/stacking raid dot.
sudden sable
shouldnt be that bad
strong forum
thats entirely just a gameplay thing
gear or talents wont do a dent
unless you have access to talisman trinket
that one is your best friend on that boss if youre hard struggling
strong forum
ye
silk sandal
Ill grind that then before tomorrow ez 😛
peak schooner
hey guys, does having two armor pieces with shadowflame patches mean twice as many procs? thanks
topaz raptor
that vial trinket is really good, right? ? ive got 2 set right now and could use...
yall think helm or the trinket? https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/proudmoore/gsc
daring marlin
I might be getting 4pc on my pally this week after all
south blade
does it matter if we loot as prot or arms/fury?
silk sandal
but yeah, i was going over logs and damage taken + my mitigation + ip healing etc seemed on par with kills. The first half of raid I was just flopping and the second half I was just comfy without any significant changes on my end. Only difference was healing received lol. As easy as it is to put blame on someone else, I was the floor pov =X
daring marlin
@crude notch thanks for the good luck bby ❤️ you
strong forum
yall think helm or the trinket? https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/chara...
helmet imo
topaz raptor
helmet imo
ok ty ❤️
crude notch
i have no idea what i'm looking at Guilford, but if you're happy, i'm happy
gloomy hazel
What would y'all recommend for 3rd spark? I'm doing at least first 3 in mythic tonight, maybe first 4 and have 3 set right now, should have 4 set later today.
strong forum
What would y'all recommend for 3rd spark? I'm doing at least first 3 in mythic t...
wrist, ring or neck
your choice
or gloves/chest depending on your tierset
actually
also get a 3rd socket on your neck
its like 1k gold
crude notch
ashkandur on warrior and double tier for pally
oh wow i didn't see the ass candy, grats!
vagrant gazelle
I've got full 441+ gear, still using annulet, is it worth replacing that ring with spark crafted?
gloomy hazel
also get a 3rd socket on your neck
Yeah I just did on this.
strong forum
most immediate upgrade is gloves, but tier gloves have sexy haste
gloomy hazel
yeah I've love to just do gloves and add a shadowflame embellishment but if I get gloves as my 4 set then that's going to suck too lol
strong forum
yeah i wanna replace mine aswell
dusty monolith
What would y'all recommend for 3rd spark? I'm doing at least first 3 in mythic t...
Maybe get 447 shield?
strong forum
its already a crafted shield
acoustic oasis
Up that bad boy to 447 dawg
dusty monolith
ah its already the crafted one i see
gloomy hazel
Yeah I was just spamming low keys for gear first. I started at 380 last tuesday lol
acoustic oasis
Id do wrist or boots
daring marlin
Ashkandur+Nyalotha plate 
acoustic oasis
(Not bad then my man)
dusty monolith
wouldnt it be good to get onyx ring at 242 as well? doesnt take long ant surely is better than your 418
crimson furnace
..should I stay fury/arms tomorrow for my weekly or prot???
I am missing chest tier pice and all the trinkets from raid
slender terrace
447 fishhook or 431 tier gloves? Raid as dps / tanking for keys
crimson furnace
no trikets at all atm 😦
strong forum
..should I stay fury/arms tomorrow for my weekly or prot???
I am missing chest t...
fury
crimson furnace
❤️
strong forum
you only loot as prot if you need a shield
crimson furnace
poggers!
slender terrace
Problem is forgestorm is so much better
crimson furnace
no need for shield!
craggy pilot
anyone know an automarker WA that works for Incorporeal?
uneven mason
Glad incorporeal is done
Like wasn't that annoying, but trying to explain that "you can literally walk up and interrupt it"
fossil cloud
Hi guys ! can help me with something plis ?
I don't know which is my best option, whether to improve Unstable Frostfire Belt to 447 or craft the boots and place Shadowflame-Tempered Armor Patch
uneven mason
Eggnog ring eternal be our bond
silk sandal
I’ve got a guy if you’re on tichondrius or illidan =X
uneven mason
Hi guys ! can help me with something plis ?
I don't know which is my best optio...
I mean, these are not mutually exclusive
wary orbit
I sim 2.5k-3k more DPS in both patchwerk and dungeon slice using 2 shadowflame patches over using a shadowflame patch and frostfire belt. Is that because I don't have the Eranog ring?
uneven mason
I sim 2.5k-3k more DPS in both patchwerk and dungeon slice using 2 shadowflame p...
Yes
wary orbit
Is it worth trying to go back and get it then??
uneven mason
Yes
wary orbit
Fuuuuck
uneven mason
Afaik it's outsimming 447 stat rings still
chilly brook
fossil cloud
so? what is the best option
uneven mason
so? what is the best option
Like you asked for a choice between two things you can do at the same time
Crafting boots and upgrading ffb
fossil cloud
I already have a patch and I want to know if it is better to wear 2 patches or 1 with the belt
uneven mason
crude notch
crafted ring simmed higher than my annulet on bear, we rejoice!
wary orbit
I just simmed shadowflame patch + frostfire belt with the eranog ring, and it was only like a 270 dps increase
vital arch
verse wrist or lariat for 2nd embellishment, I already have 441 belt with gem, and 437 ring with gem, and have tokens I could slap on a 441 helm.
or just do another patch and craft a crit/haste neck
uneven mason
True
crude notch
oh bb we're getting pretty thicc in here
toxic pewter
is 447 weapon better than 441 forgestorm
toxic pewter
trying to decide if i should craft a 447 weapon
slender terrace
447 fishhook or 431 tier gloves? Raid as dps / tanking for keys
Anyone have thoughts here? Forgot to mention I have 4pc and 441 MH already
Just really 447 vs getting 441 forgestorm
toxic pewter
Ok gonna make neck then
dusky canopy
Mans rocking the dream trinkets
cinder nova
Also... is it normal for 441 Mark to sim higher than 441 anvil?
Anvil is lagging behind by 280
hazy hazel
441 mark is prettyn big
proper roost
what's the fight length you're simming anvil at
hazy hazel
avg 7% of my damage
cinder nova
what's the fight length you're simming anvil at
5 min
proper roost
anvil isn't very good, it requires a lot of ramp
toxic pewter
ngl, really enjoy my mark it sort of fits into this tier shockwave era we are in right now
proper roost
but Mark also oversims a bit
dusky canopy
Dude I’m going to have to do that lmao
proper roost
it's kiiinda hard to say how much Mark oversims by? But it can miss and has hitbox issues on large mobs as well as on aoe
dusky canopy
Also fyi anvil is actually really good @proper roost
toxic pewter
but Mark also oversims a bit
yah it does but still seems strong to me.. but then again no str on it.. so hard to say
proper roost
also yeah the lack of str is massive
toxic pewter
yeah i wont lie, something tells me I would rather have a str trinket
dusky canopy
“Because I’m leading the pug, hello”
Witch classes don’t want a bacon
That’s what I’m wondering
It seems way to good
toxic pewter
shadow priests
twin comet
screaming black dragonscale, 441 irideus, or pristine magma stompers. all 3 are hero and within 1k dps of each other.
if i already have the anvil and hero dreadplate should i go for the boots
pallid quiver
just don't directly decline them and say that you're busy evaluating their logs, ez
dusky canopy
True the wcl companion makes that believable
That’s going to be a goofy comp to kill sark with
I haven’t even attempted it
Good to know that I can do all of them
You take it down each time assuming?
Notable overlaps?
cinder nova
It is. The tank mechanic is not very frequent.
cinder nova
You can stand in the zones DPS use too
cinder nova
Standing in front of the boss
cinder nova
Despite my ever effort I get people who are full on diving in shouting GET DOWN MR. PRESIDENT when the tank mech goes out
And then they get bomb and kill us
primal mauve
so on the pinned it says I should use my first spark of shadow flame on a shield, anyone know what the name of that shield is?
cinder nova
Primal Molten Defender
dusky canopy
Weird
cinder nova
primal molten defender
dusky canopy
Man’s lost the draw
primal mauve
what embelishment should I put on it? this would be my first embellished item
strong forum
shadow tempered armor patch
dusky canopy
Got it p3 soak just commit
lapis ruin
Any trinket comparison table sim?
strong forum
Man’s lost the draw
who did, on my screen i won
strong forum
Any trinket comparison table sim?
cinder nova
inb4 they hotfix it to explode on death
dusky canopy
Yeah definitely the play with pugs
lapis ruin
Heart of Thunder is not there... And I got a 447 in my GV ^^'
lapis ruin
Is that good?
strong forum
Heart of Thunder is not there... And I got a 447 in my GV ^^'
its pretty good yeah
should do like 4-5k dps in m+
lapis ruin
Ty guys
dusky canopy
Assuming M+ yeah
dusky canopy
If you’re a raid focused gamer it’s not really what you want
lapis ruin
I'm a casual guy
dusky canopy
Word
lapis ruin
Definetely m+ content
dusky canopy
Then snag it up it’s good
cinder nova
dunno mate M+ can get pretty sweaty past 22s
waxen frigate
Heart is great in keys, bad in raid
strong forum
yeah then youre not gonna get a better trinket unless you choose to step into raid
cinder nova
cinder nova
holy fuck I forgot that hellish thing existed
My cousin got one when we were really little and he got a rash from something on the inside of the glove
Turns out it was second-hand
dusky canopy
Dude I lack all of the screenshot/editing skills
dusky canopy
I still use the snipping tools
waxen frigate
You either push title or stop at 22s
Real and factual
I’m at 21s on main and already done for the tier. No title push for me, too much anxiety especially as an off meta pug player
waxen frigate
I’m only doing higher than 20s/21s if guildies ask lol
And even then… meh
Working on my warrior now, learning fury and prot
dusky canopy
I’m in the minority when I say this but I honestly don’t really enjoy any dungeon this season I find myself sitting with the lfg window open just like “man I don’t really want to do this one, or this one, or this one”
waxen frigate
Already got my freehold portal 
waxen frigate
I’m in the minority when I say this but I honestly don’t really enjoy any dungeo...
Same. I have zero desire to push keys
jagged pier
that feeling never leaves
waxen frigate
I’m just enjoying raid and trying alts. Gonna work on my rogue next prob
jagged pier
ive had that feeling since legion
jagged pier
cinder nova
Is it wise to start a pull with beacon so I'm not getting donkey punched without my shield up mid-fight?
clever heart
does anyone know, can you use vault socket to give socket to engineered wrist ?
or because it has the engi socket does it not work.
waxen frigate
I tried pushing the last 2 tiers and burned out hard
waxen frigate
Not putting my mental through it again
waxen frigate
I like pushing keys, I do not like the stress and meta surrounding pushing keys
clever heart
❤️ ty friend
waxen frigate
It’s been such a breath of fresh air just having fun on alts and messing around this tier
And putting most of my energy into raid
cinder nova
Almost 440 lads
I can taste it
I just need to get rid of this god-forsaken 424 wrists
cinder nova
I hope they nerf the ring just so it doesn't feel necessary for DPS
dusky canopy
Yeah I’m kinda like cool with already having bis rings but I’m also a big number cool kinda guy so I’d rather have 441+ on in all slots at some point
cinder nova
Agreed. Gear from last tier shouldn't stay relevant unless something makes that tier also relevant.
Backtracking through content is a ball ache.
dusky canopy
I’m contradicting myself though because I’ve also sided with the argument that old gear can be relevant
So I guess I’m in the middle on that lol
stuck terrace
I’m contradicting myself though because I’ve also sided with the argument that o...
Let us upgrade old gear?
cinder nova
Like how Classic WOTLK elevated older raid tiers to be good catchup gear?
Instead of literal garbage?
dusky canopy
Yeah I mean the gear topic is always weird for me because I’d rather just buy bis from a vendor and play the game
vital arch
Heart of Thunder is not there... And I got a 447 in my GV ^^'
heart of thunder is broken on sims, its really good.
cinder nova
S4 SL was a meme, but it was a good meme.
dusky canopy
I’m not driven by drops necessarily
cinder nova
Felt good just buying your 3 biggest BIS pieces.
waxen frigate
This season’s gearing is just as much if not more of a meme
dusky canopy
I don’t really care what I’m equipping
cinder nova
This season’s gearing is just as much if not more of a meme
Correction: it's not shitting on your time.
waxen frigate
If you raid like… at all you’re basically near-bis already
waxen frigate
Correction: it's not shitting on your time.
Hard disagree
dusky canopy
Correction: it's not shitting on your time.
So this
waxen frigate
Part of the appeal of MMOs to me is the never ending gear chase
cinder nova
It's literally the fastest we've ever been able to gear and you can constantly grind more gear through the week.
dusky canopy
You gotta realize the vast majority of this games player base are now adults with responsibilities
cinder nova
At least until you hit 441 minimum in ever slot
waxen frigate
It's literally the fastest we've ever been able to gear and you can constantly g...
Yes, and I don’t like that as much is what I’m saying
waxen frigate
I don’t want like… classic gearing but it feels weird to be basically in full bis week 3 when I have a full time job
cinder nova
I'd suggest playing a looter, then maybe preorder D4
dusky canopy
Holy shit it just clicked
uneven mason
LoL
dusky canopy
This seasons gearing is so fast
uneven mason
Diablo loot
cinder nova
Well, they're also shorter seasons.
dusky canopy
Intentional
cinder nova
Content is coming out at a blistering pace, frankly.
dusky canopy
Guarantee
waxen frigate
You also have the new issue of raid no longer being nerfed by gear over time
Like any guild raiding mythic is about as geared as they’re gonna get
uneven mason
BECAUSE of D4
I mean addressing a systematic problem that has been plauging the game for decades
waxen frigate
And as geared as WF guilds were
But that means if they’re struggling on early bosses, they’re going to hard struggle on later bosses
cinder nova
I don't see an issue with that.
waxen frigate
Because compared to previous tiers there isn’t as much of a gradual power increase from gearing
cinder nova
At that point it's literally just a failure of execution.
Also plenty of people still struggle with gearing even now. My old guild had people that were still in their 400-teens.
waxen frigate
At that point it's literally just a failure of execution.
Yes, but that’s kinda my point. Historically eventually being able to overgear something has helped offset execution flaws
dusky canopy
That’s fine?
waxen frigate
I disagree personally
dusky canopy
The accomplishment is completing the difficult content the reward is fairly irrelevant
We could all be hard stuck in Normal ilvl and I would be ok with it
cinder nova
Yeah it's like asking GR150 to start dropping extra strong double-triple primal ancient items because it's harder and gear creep needs to exist
waxen frigate
Most guilds are already extending mythic once they get like 3-4 bosses down
Because of how low reclear value is
dusky canopy
Well yeah that’s fairly normal
At least once M+ gearing became relevant
Anyhow
The point is you don’t have to be mythic raiding to get good gear
I think that’s great design
That’s why you don’t necessarily feel inclined to reset weekly and instead extend
cinder nova
Yes. Blizzard tracks engagement and clear rate across the tier to see how many people and guilds are clearing what content.
They're probably making it more achievable for players to reach higher content by gearing quickly rather than slogging through reclears and slowing prog.
Weaker groups will break themselves on a Mythic boss, or cleat it eventually and be able to progress.
dusky canopy
Yeah the achievement and feel good part is killing the boss on mythic
mighty valley
i think it could be tuned to be a TOUCH slower, and i do think there should be a little bit more of a meaningful gap between normal and heroic gear, but overall it's good and promising
cinder nova
Stronger groups nothing changes for them, really.
cinder nova
People do it for the accomplishment and flex
☝️ I only got CE because I wanted CE, not because any of the end bosses had shit I wanted.
I didn't even get loot, and I really didn't care.
mighty valley
the slice of people who get CE and then keep farming is real, real small
cinder nova
Yeah. Most guilds I know that are "casual" CE guilds just stop raiding.
mighty valley
CE is patch complete for people who even try mythic in the first place
proper roost
making gearing faster because of D4 is the best conspiracy theory
sign me up for more of that shit
dusky canopy
daring marlin
I know a guy that lamented extending in previous tiers cuz he couldn't get his bis from earlier bosses. Same guy is complaining that gearing is too fast now.
🤔
dusky canopy
Shots fired
proper roost
reclears are kinda cool actually i think
but like everyone has a different limit of how many reclears they can take
strong forum
☝️ I only got CE because I wanted CE, not because any of the end bosses had shit...
i got CE cuz i wanted ghuun shield
and i got it
uneven mason
i got CE cuz i wanted ghuun shield
Yaas
dusky canopy
Sexy shield ngl
strong forum
the biggest flex shield in the game
besides CM shields
and OG naxx shields
cuz you still need 16 people to do ghuun mythic
and do mechanics
cant easily farm it
toxic pewter
jeeze flavor pocket 90k right now
uneven mason
jeeze flavor pocket 90k right now
Crap they had been falling so I offloaded mine
dusky canopy
Crap they had been falling so I offloaded mine
This is the way
toxic pewter
yeah I sold 2 for 60k few weeks ago lol
waxen frigate
jeeze flavor pocket 90k right now
Shit
My guild hasn’t gotten any buyers for raid yet this tier ;-;
I’m broke asf
dusky canopy
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Every time you post this I go to copy and paste this into my own channel all the time for later use and then I see it already there
Lmao
uneven mason
On a good note I was logged in seconds after the server came up and listed 150shovels for 1000 a shot, selling as I posted
uneven mason
My guild hasn’t gotten any buyers for raid yet this tier ;-;
Bosses falling over to pugs
dusky canopy
Literally free gold
hazy bronze
thats my current mog
So hot
dusky canopy
Yo the drip
warm plinth
ive licked blood
I'm sorry what
strong forum
mmh
dusky canopy
I'm sorry what
LOL
strong forum
I'm sorry what
you dont know the expression?
dusky canopy
@sick sentinel
warm plinth
I guess not lol
cinder nova
<@456226577798135808>
Literally the cafe I manage.
I get a random 1 star every month or so.
strong forum
Earth-Warder themed
you can defo improve that
warm plinth
I get a random 1 star every month or so.
I'd give you 1 star but then in the comments I'd put, he's too cute
dusky canopy
My chest needs improve nome but like I have nothing that fits
Thinking about changing the full thing tbh
Except shield and mallet
strong forum
slender terrace
I’m rocking my immovable object
warm plinth
Are you DID or Dwarf?
dusky canopy
Sic ass flail
cinder nova
I literally haven't mogged my flail and shield off since I got them
I've finally hit the point where I don't feel the need to glue it to my body
strong forum
with the skovald shield and fitting mug
warm plinth
fuck yeah
dusky canopy
What’s that mug bro
strong forum
I've finally hit the point where I don't feel the need to glue it to my body
they fixed the physics on the flail with DF
warm plinth
Wait what mug is that? That's actually legit
strong forum
its now got actual physics
cinder nova
they fixed the physics on the flail with DF
I kept having issues with it getting an erection
strong forum
Wait what mug is that? That's actually legit
tankard smth smth
warm plinth
That's very helpful Nome ty
strong forum
I kept having issues with it getting an erection
those are fixed too
warm plinth
cinder nova
Tankard O' Terror
dusky canopy
Hmm
strong forum
tankard
dusky canopy
That’s badass dude m
cinder nova
I might go flail but keep kitewing
dusky canopy
Dorf + mug
strong forum
tmog is life
cinder nova
I like it and I'm reveling in the fact that my shields are the size of two sedan doors stapled together.
Worgen had such shitty shield-size ratio
I might grab flail just for the meme though
strong forum
female dwarfs have gigantic shields
compared to player model
female nightborne aswell
their shields are larger than their entire character
cinder nova
Tauren BIS just because you're enormous
strong forum
no
cinder nova
Yes
strong forum
female is good, male is just "bro i cant see shit my character is in the way of everything, FUCK A DOOR"
cinder nova
I haven't had that problem yet tbh
warm plinth
Oh I think I actually have that mog
cinder nova
If anything it's been easier to avoid things since the hitbox and rigging was designed by the old team and updated for hi-fi
warm plinth
I've given like 2 of them away so I probably have it
strong forum
yea worgen is only allowed to be caster
cinder nova
Plus their hitbox is slightly larger than you think it is.
strong forum
not melee
cinder nova
Unironically, it's also easier to see where I'm at and where mobs are facing so I've seen less people getting hit by frontals
cinder nova
do worgen not have tails
Old, old mythology from the real world.
People transfigured into animals from the curse of a witch or crone would usually appear to have missing or shortened tails.
I'm not kidding.
warm plinth
Also I wish Blizzard would just...not show boots on some races lol
Like boots on Draenei or Worgen are just...why
cinder nova
You can mog shoes off if you're a feet man
warm plinth
Well, yeah that's true now I suppose
But like on their part, either hide them perma or actually put effort into making them look good
cinder nova
Annoyingly, however, early worgen art assets and detailed portraiture for promotional content in Cata had them with tails
edgy bone
What point are people removing to put into spellblock for Uldaman and Neltharus?
