way wrong sir
#protection
dusky canopy
priest and lock are probably the best ones to bring
banish and shackle undead
own
shaman can hex
dk and warrior suck for it though
that is true
idle quartz
Just I’ve had every class in the game tell me ‘my kick sucks’ or ‘my cc sucks’ and if these classes suck I don’t want to bring them into my keys anymore lol. I will admit I’m frustrated but fundamentally I do not want to waste my time
Need a table or something so I can tell people how to play their class
warm plinth
Ok so, I'm watching the portion of Jak's video talking about the chains and basically the first mob that gets hit by the chain triggers it and causes an aoe damage/stun so your group needs to be away from the pack so they don't get hit by the aoe, and you'll need to use a defensive for yourself probably. The only problem with pwar doing it is that you will have the debuff, so you'd have to have like a dps/heal with an immunity for the next one
Because you get a 3 min debuff before you can take another one
craggy pilot
everyone has CC exept DK/Warr
warm plinth
And evoker no?
craggy pilot
Ok so, I'm watching the portion of Jak's video talking about the chains and basi...
yea if youre not near the mob, you dont get dmg do you?
craggy pilot
And evoker no?
evoker has Sleep Walk
craggy pilot
warm plinth
it's on a node isn't it?
craggy pilot
it's on a node isn't it?
no
idle quartz
everyone has CC exept DK/Warr
How about kicks? Everybody keeps letting molten core get off constantly. DK have a kick that works every TWO minutes? What the balance blizzard. Thank you for your help.
craggy pilot
Turn Evil is only 20 yd range
its shorter cast than Repentence though
but ye i get you
daring marlin
reflecting oiled blade
craggy pilot
How about kicks? Everybody keeps letting molten core get off constantly. DK have...
bro
daring marlin
very satisfying
craggy pilot
ur teammates are trolling you
warm plinth
Unholy DK has 2 kicks
craggy pilot
if they say "dk has a kick every two minutes" theyre trolling
warm plinth
One from them w/ 15 sec CD and one from pet which is a longer CD
like 1 min or something?
craggy pilot
Unholy DK has 2 kicks
3 if you count the 2min Strangulate
idle quartz
if they say "dk has a kick every two minutes" theyre trolling
Nah he was bottom of the meter the whole time, think he was just absolutely trash
Thank you for your help 🙏
idle quartz
Yeah, pugs. Doing the best with what I can
It’s just been all week with these mythics
crude notch
So not your team
craggy pilot
just gotta push it
ask before the key if they have Incorporeal under control
i seen Shamans not pick hex fx
idle quartz
People don’t want to take responsibility for anything
craggy pilot
full trolling
dusky canopy
Trust lamp priest/sham/lock are easily the best 3 specs if youre concerened
they have unlimited on demand cc for the affix
idle quartz
Trust lamp priest/sham/lock are easily the best 3 specs if youre concerened
Heard
dusky canopy
and hunter with trap
craggy pilot
0 cast time, and can be done before it spawns
then just have healer do the other one
and its gg
warm plinth
Hunter and lock are the only classes w/ 2 long term CCs I believe
Priest and sham are both 1, and shaman one has 15 sec CD
Like no hunters play scare beast though so
craggy pilot
hunters have 2 long CCs?
crude notch
Hunter and lock can both solo a pair
craggy pilot
oh scare beast 😄
crude notch
They can scare beast and trap
orchid mural
Hey guys - on Sark - can prot war's get popped up with Infinite Duress in transition between p2 and p3, and heroic leap down to ground?
craggy pilot
ye if you want 1 guy soloing the affix 🤣
crude notch
Lock can banish and fear
warm plinth
I would 100% plan on hunter doing 1 of them every time though unless they're trolling. They're the only spec that can preplace the CC
crude notch
^
craggy pilot
I would 100% plan on hunter doing 1 of them every time though unless they're tro...
preplacing is OP
hunter + heal is the best combo everytime
warm plinth
yep
I've had to do it an insane amount of times on my ppal this week
Been running Turn Evil all week because I don't dare not to
crude notch
I still need an incorporeal leaderboard like the Explosive leaderboard
daring marlin
not risky at all during sentinel
warm plinth
Yeah honestly it's no big deal
daring marlin
it's a 1.2s cast
crude notch
Yeah miss me with not running hibernate as Bear
warm plinth
we love hibernate
crude notch
I've had to solo bosses and having hibernate has been clutch
zenith briar
Hey guys - on Sark - can prot war's get popped up with Infinite Duress in transi...
Yeah
daring marlin
speaking of which, warrior is the undisputed king of freehold still idgaf
warm plinth
I soloed a lot of bosses yesterday
daring marlin
feels so good tanking on warrior in there
warm plinth
or today, idr
daring marlin
only thing that hurts is oiled blade and you can fucking reflect it 
warm plinth
Soloed the last 7 million HP on last boss of Uld in a +12 when I was farming wyrm frags 
crude notch
I think tyrannical weeks infuriate me so much because it's just like welp if I get groups that can't do boss mechanics it's GG. You can get away with screwing up boss mechanics so much more on fortified, also bosses are shorter so smaller window to mess up.
warm plinth
I had a pug brick a THIRTEEN Underrot
Because no one would squish ticks
Like I can carry a lot on my ppal but I can't carry 15 tick bleeds lol
vital arch
Just bricked an 18 from ticks
warm plinth
Just out of curiosity, how was the indigestion damage on that level @daring marlin
crude notch
People love Underrot because it's "easy" but I don't think there's a dungeon with such variance in execution. You can either be in there for 15 minutes or 2 hours.
warm plinth
If you took any
vital arch
lost time to death subtraction. Lol
vital arch
People love Underrot because it's "easy" but I don't think there's a dungeon wit...
I still can’t figure out how to pull the mobs around wormyboi even on tyr
aside from that, there’s only a couple double pulls with the worm before the 3rd boss which require coordinated kicks. Fixate spiders just munch dps tho lel
sick sentinel
Because no one would squish ticks
phase 1 ticks or phase 2 ticks?
cuz, skill issue if phase 1 ticks, same phase 2 ticks, but less so, bit more rng
vital arch
Phase 2 is just gross cause everyone blows their movement cds to get to the same worms ~_~
warm plinth
They're always rng what do you mean
sick sentinel
no, i mean, that in phase one, when the bos isn't enraged
vital arch
You can bait charge, and there’s even a cheese spot to negate it completely.
warm plinth
@crude notch Look at the damage graph for end boss of Uldaman
warm plinth
The boss doesn't enrage 🤔
sick sentinel
when he enrages he goes wherever hthe fuck he wants, spread eggs wherever fuck he watns
warm plinth
You're talking about two different mechanics
sick sentinel
then ppl don't do eggs and u die
vital arch
Yeah that’s just an ability he uses not an enrage
same with charge but it’s easier to manage
warm plinth
Tantrum is when he runs around and spawns them everywhere. Charge/indigestion both spawn them in relatively small areas.
The problem with the boss is they fucked his timers in Dragonflight
vital arch
Tantrum is when he runs around and spawns them everywhere. Charge/indigestion b...
Tantrum is on a timer not a % right
warm plinth
And he does charges too close to Tantrum
vital arch
yah
warm plinth
Correct
It used to be you had plenty of time to finish squishing and get back to the ribcage so you could minimize the spread of the charge ticks
crude notch
Yeah that first charge after tantrum should be an indigestion imo
warm plinth
But now he can do charge literally right after tantrum ends or right before it
He also used to RNG his sequence
Instead of it always being charge>indigestion>charge
daring marlin
Just out of curiosity, how was the indigestion damage on that level <@1457029699...
atrocious
avoid it
vital arch
I need imp heroic leap if I’m going to pug that again
warm plinth
Okay just curious. I haven't really felt it the couple of times I've done it on the 17ish level
crude notch
Just bubble it, ez game
warm plinth
Oh so
Jordan
I did 20 NL right, and I bubbled a Molten Crash on Dargrul
And it still killed me
crude notch
Oh my
warm plinth
Come to find out, I still had cancelaura in my bubble macro
warm plinth
from when final stand wasn't taken
crude notch
Oh lol
warm plinth
So I double tapped it and got merced
crude notch
Get rekt nerd
daring marlin
Dargrul is SCARY for pally
vital arch
Dargrul make sr noise a lot and make brain happy
warm plinth
lol
crude notch
Lol
warm plinth
Fortunately ppal has a ton of CCs which helps when you know his rotation
I got tricked a couple times before I realized he doesn't always crash right after landslide
Sometimes he does the crystals instead
fresh igloo
khajin tyr +20 frost shock is wrecking my face
daring marlin
fuck that boss
fresh igloo
looks like it comes out more than spell reflect's CD
arctic fulcrum
Rose of the Vale
daring marlin
never doing it without a hpriest or rsham
warm plinth
https://i.imgur.com/Wo4MuGz.png
It's the one weapon on the last boss of Neltharus that they forgot to exclude from meters.
arctic fulcrum
ahh ok thanks
warm plinth
The one that makes the circle around you and forms the big ass flower for a sec
daring marlin
worried more about the group
slowly dying
it happened on a 20 and 21 I did this week
both evokers
had an rsham and zero issues
crude notch
Oh I'm a Bear I can get up to 70k HPS in that fight
warm plinth
AtW
daring marlin
everyone healthy the whole time
daring marlin
with the evokers everyone was hovering around 30/40%
crude notch
daring marlin
then full
crude notch
Bear is goated on that fight
daring marlin
then 30% again
warm plinth
Is there just pulsing damage the whole time or something?
crude notch
There's a couple really good AtW fights this season
warm plinth
ngl I just turn brain off on that fight. Only mental effort I put in is pulling boss close to ice so melee can hit her during hailstorm
crude notch
Yeah I tell everyone to stand within 15 yds of me or they'll die.
daring marlin
worse than prenerf altairus just don't get a haste buff
crude notch
It's always funny because you can tell when someone isn't in range
warm plinth
After the Wildfire proc = groupwide LoH
daring marlin
He's blessing the rain
warm plinth
25 sec CD on a big absorb, alter time, ice block, like
how do you die
Mirror Images
daring marlin
that was actually super weird
crude notch
Omnicd is a curse sometimes because that ice block is always up and they never use it
daring marlin
the mage in the 21 HoI was complaining about the heals and asking how he could help with it
warm plinth
USE IT
sick sentinel
daring marlin
he didn't use alter once
sick sentinel
this is cragmaw
sick sentinel
phase 1 and 2, the image on right is unrealistic, but its what you want
warm plinth
No you don't, because he doesn't stay by the ribcage during Tantrum. He literally runs to the middle first
warm plinth
You wait til 2n charge then move him to the middle
2nd*
Because then you don't have shit all the way up against the wall to clear
And in pugs it's not even worth taking him back to the ribcage because they don't bait the fuckin charge anyway
crude notch
Whatever they did they added time to pre tantrum but removed time post tantrum
warm plinth
I think it would fix the fight if they'd just change his rotation from 2nd and on to indigestion>charge>charge
sick sentinel
leaper bounding is very good for eggs too
you leap to an egg and use the MS bonus to get to next ones
warm plinth
Oh yeah, from the same dungeon, this was lost dwarves
mighty valley
legit best time to alter is after the evoker tops you
phrasing
sick sentinel
yeah, as long as people stick to their own path of eggs and do the thing that fight can be pretty easy
warm plinth
What CAN help if people have at least a couple brain cells is you mark 4 quadrants and put marks on people's heads
sick sentinel
you get huge problems if more than one person is on same eggs as you, cross roading is fine
warm plinth
And tell them to clear in that area
Timer isn't tight on that dungeon so you have time to take the 20 seconds to set that up
mighty valley
idk maybe getting topped by an evoker is something you're looking for
crude notch
I wish my evoker would top me. 
sick sentinel
its one of those things if at least 4 people of the group are "trying" it will happen (no eggs)
daring marlin
scaleys OUT
crude notch
Wow
mighty valley
i wonder if they'll open up dracthyr to other classes down the road
warm plinth
I believe they said they probably would in an interview?
But they said that evoker probably will never be another race
similar to DH
sick sentinel
they should be able to be any class that does magic shit imo
mighty valley
makes sense, a lot of dracthyr specific animations, same way they're not gonna roll out demon hunters to non elves
yeah
you're in my BRAIN
sick sentinel
probably not dragon paladins, no, fuck that, alread bad idea, i dunno how but i know it is
i think dragons are above "believing in the light" or whatever it is paladins and priests do
crude notch
Gnome paladins I will main paladin rest of my life
warm plinth
ikr
daring marlin
warm plinth
Right now I'm stuck with my atomic recalibrator when it's available
crude notch
Gimme gnome paladins and mechagnone druids so I can be a transformer.
sick sentinel
i made my DK mechagnome, i think that was really smart idea
dusky canopy
warm plinth
TRANSFORMERS, DURIDS IN DISGUISE
sick sentinel
has a further death save and.... taunt adds?? i think?? i use them all the time but i have no idea what they actually do.... besides die...
crude notch
Mechagnome is secret bis because quazi-cheat death, but people hate them so much so they just don't know
daring marlin
buff spear
warm plinth
I don't mind playing mechagnome if I can use a robe/kilt
crude notch
Mechagnome adds are trees BUTTTTTT it resets aggro after they die.
sick sentinel
mechagnome + kultiran, now u are the crafting stationg and KT gets +whatever to ALL skills
warm plinth
Oh god so
crude notch
I don't mind playing mechagnome if I can use a robe/kilt
That or go full robot
warm plinth
I got turned into a kul tiran woman by the recalibrator
And what the actual fuck is their jump animation
daring marlin
female kt are pretty awful
warm plinth
It is so bad
daring marlin
also buff spear
crude notch
What spear
warm plinth
of bastion I assume?
tulip harness
Yo, slightly confused, wowhead says to craft weapon at first spark while the FAQ here says the neltharus weapon is bis and not to craft weapon at all, which one do I go by?
daring marlin
Of course 
warm plinth
Yo, slightly confused, wowhead says to craft weapon at first spark while the FAQ...
We recommend farming forgestorm and crafting shield first
I crafted shield/weapon for 1st 2 sparks on pally
tulip harness
We recommend farming forgestorm and crafting shield first
sounds good. Is there a reason not to attach shadowflame to shield when crafting it? just wanna make sure I don't mess anything up with my first spark by doing so
warm plinth
You can put shadowflame on it
crude notch
That's reminds me I gotta do my weekly key on pally
warm plinth
No reason not to
tulip harness
No reason not to
ty!
mighty valley
sounds good. Is there a reason not to attach shadowflame to shield when crafting...
only don't do this if you also play dps a lot and want to get two embellishments that work on both specs
warm plinth
Yeah, that's a good point
crude notch
Make spear great again and I'll main warrior again
And not be able to do anything to incorporeal and Afflicted
warm plinth
daring marlin
I hope so. I wanna trivialize more affixes.
mighty valley
it's so hard to put together a group that doesn't have plenty of ways to handle incorporeal
warm plinth
Ppal be like kick? got it. Dispel? Got it. CC? Got it. Tankbusters? lul don't make me laugh
mighty valley
you'd have to be trying to make it harder for yourself
daring marlin
Although the game likes to troll with Incorp atm. How's that shit gonna spawn during spore dude spamming the spores?
crude notch
It's really rough being VDH, BDK, Warrior this season and that's without looking at strength of spec
oak heart
I've been handling Incorporeal well this week, screaming at my team mates to learn how to play
warm plinth
They should probably at least let BDK grip them
crude notch
Yeah that's toxic
warm plinth
LOL
daring marlin
it's so hard to put together a group that doesn't have plenty of ways to handle ...
I'll have you know
dusky canopy
Currently right now btw
warm plinth
spriest being like IT'S OUR TIME
mighty valley
putting together a group that CAN handle them is different from putting together a group that WILL handle them
dusky canopy
same same
daring marlin
dk next
daring marlin
gonna be the frost god
timber terrace
tbh the hype already seems to be shifting towards vdh in m+, give it a few weeks and ppl will only invite vdhs
oak heart
often play with a hunter in my keys, i only pug classes that can cc
warm plinth
Deswind is already the frost god @daring marlin
crude notch
I've had Hunters not trapping them.
"I don't like trapping because it's easier to spam one button than place my trap"
Actual thing a hunter said to me.
warm plinth
LOL
crude notch
Only class that can pre-cc and dude says that
warm plinth
@crude notch did I show you my parses from raid this week 
tulip harness
Do you recommend frostfire belt or second shadowflame for second embellishment? also kinda unclear when comparing info from different sources. Only doing keys if it matters
crude notch
No! 
warm plinth
No! <a:ExcitedBlushette:932414006679973888>
first ever pink parse
crude notch
Let's go!
oak heart
did a nelt with a DH, mage, warlock, pally healer. 0 adds the entire run was ccd from them. busting my ass off with fears, stuns and interrupts to not let us wipe
warm plinth
I could've done better on Assault but I stayed in ST build for it
Because we originally were going to do the cheese strat
dusky canopy
i hate that boss
hoping to get my next pug on assault to do the pad strat
so i can log well too
warm plinth
We wiped trying the cheese and just did it normally on 2nd pull (and somehow got it almost to where we got it with trying the strat, even though we lost two DPS 🙂 )
mighty valley
wait why aren't all paladins taken repentance this week
they're taking one point in this instead??? trolling
dusky canopy
noobs
warm plinth
Because turn evil is easier and less inconvenient.
What troll is that
Not taking blinding light???
quiet minnow
my 24th neltharus in pursuit of forgestorm, and they are getting worse and worse
warm plinth
Who tf takes a point in fist of justice over blinding light lol
mighty valley
this is assuming that most bad paladins are just grabbing a wowhead build
quiet minnow
this is the worst loot luck ive ever had
warm plinth
my 24th neltharus in pursuit of forgestorm, and they are getting worse and worse
I can't tear my eyes away from the holy priest doing 847 DPS tbh
Not that that's the biggest issue obviously but still lol
dusky canopy
That guy only cast dot
quiet minnow
its not like im playing amazing but
dusky canopy
no way he cast a single smite
warm plinth
Pretty sure 1 swp per pack is more dps than that
dusky canopy
lmao
oak heart
probably has dps trinkets, never dpses
quiet minnow
probably has dps trinkets, never dpses
needed on 421 icon
"its bis"
even if it is idc
timber terrace
the good priests play disc anyway, already a red flag to see some specs
warm plinth
Yeah who wouldn't want to do 20k DPS by just healing
Disc has like infinite mana too
quiet minnow
druid is same way there though..just keep healing and cast NV on your ramp
dusky canopy
Make friends with a disc priest its worth
warm plinth
yuge flourish NV
oak heart
they are the same people who complain on the forums because they feel "forced" to dps as a healer
warm plinth
warm plinth
I feel forced to DPS when healing because I'd be bored to death otherwise.
quiet minnow
i iddnt mean to leave priest name in ther 😦
dont want him to get bullied too much lol
warm plinth
idk how people just sit there doing nothing when they aren't healing
timber terrace
like frost mage, aff lock, outlaw rogue, frost dk is instant redflag, maybe 5% of them can actually play the game the rest just can't handle the stronger specs
warm plinth
Wow, how you gonna call my outlaw a red flag
mighty valley
disc is obviously strong but honestly, i'd generally trust a holy rando over a disc rando, it's a lot harder to fuck up holy
quiet minnow
pug neltharus in the 11-16 range is the hardest pve content wow has to offer
quiet minnow
Outlaw is more fun than subtlety 😠
fuck sub- spec is awful to play
dusky canopy
Outlaw was bad ass in s3/s4 sl i do not like how it plays now
but thats just opinion
alot like it
warm plinth
But it plays the same now as it did in S4
quiet minnow
like frost mage, aff lock, outlaw rogue, frost dk is instant redflag, maybe 5% o...
also outlaw is great man just install herorotation and you can literally hit your simdps
warm plinth
It's just with a talent instead of a lego
warm plinth
I mean you don't have to think of it like that. Just think of Ambush as SS and it's the same thing
quiet minnow
its not really playing around it.. if you would have to hit sinister strike just hit dance instead
ambush is just SS
warm plinth
Yep
quiet minnow
change the icon for ambush to SS and it plays like any rogue spec forever
warm plinth
But yeah it plays exactly like the concealed blunderbuss build other than having dance, which is just a facilitator to keep the feedback loop going
mighty valley
i'm a nerd that's mad on principle that they make outlaw have shit like shadow dance and the kyrian SL button, that shit is not rootin, tootin, or shootin
dusky canopy
I mean yeah thats fair ghash
quiet minnow
dance is nice to have in it for dry spells, you dont really change anything about the rotation at all...ideally you wouldnt have to do it atall
dusky canopy
i could prob swing it if i gave it a fair chance
quiet minnow
the real problem with outlaw is that rtb is a stupid maintenence buff and GS is dumb as hell to hit
warm plinth
Just think of dance as like a backup vanish
I'm excited that grand melee is going to be less shit next patch
quiet minnow
but it plays just like fury warrior honestly
warm plinth
No more 15 minute Slice and Dice
quiet minnow
lmao
quiet minnow
get out of raid, go to bathroom and eat, come back and still have snd
timber terrace
Outlaw is just a messy button mash when sub just comes together really well on top of having more utility and doing more damage
warm plinth
And we won't have to feell so bad about rtb
warm plinth
I don't think outlaw is messy; it's very fluid with the current build
quiet minnow
outlaw has a great core rotation in pistol shot, ambush, and dispatch
it feels fun to play, its fast
buttons feel impactful
timber terrace
outlaw doesn't even exist in the current patch
quiet minnow
also outlaw loses like 0 dps swapping targets
timber terrace
2 charges of vanish and more stops
warm plinth
What more stops do they have
quiet minnow
its still a decent spec
timber terrace
you get more dance so you can cheap shot to stop a lot more
quiet minnow
barely though-- you can kidney/cheap shot/blind etc enough as is as outlaw
warm plinth
I mean, I never cheap shot to stop anything. it's just not necessary
quiet minnow
i dont really ever find myself needing more stops
warm plinth
You just gouge/blind/kidney
indigo hemlock
Anyone else still stuck in Neltharus hell?
quiet minnow
Anyone else still stuck in Neltharus hell?
yes
on key 24
not as many as some, but too many for me
crude notch
"if I do things I'm not supposed to do I have more stops"
fast knot
I'm content with my 437 Forgestorm
timber terrace
Idk last patch you could argue about outlaw but this patch it's just a disaster
fast knot
My guild wants me to get my hero path one but 🤷♀️
quiet minnow
its not a disaster lol its fine
fast knot
It'll happen eventually
timber terrace
warm plinth
It's the same exact thing as last patch though?
Even the tier is the exact same amount of damage as last tier
Like literally sims .2% different at same ilevel for me
warm plinth
I'm content with my 437 Forgestorm
Pally got stuck with a 424 so I crafted weapon. Then my rogue gets 437 on her 2nd Neltharus 🙃
oak heart
im not gonna bother farming for a single item now, after the whetstone hell last season, not worth my sanity. rather have a crafted or raid weapon
fast knot
Only real reason I'd want a 441 is to drop trade but it's not worth blowing crests when I can upgrade other bullshit
Unless they throw me a bone with a polearm for Fury from tetris dragon
warm plinth
Tetris dragon? lol
fast knot
First boss, my guild has issues with placement of rifts
warm plinth
Ah, mine too. We've killed her but it was rough (on heroic). They got too content with basically being able to ignore positioning on normal
fast knot
Our mythic prog wasn't very enjoyable
If they sucked at tetris I'm glad none of them are surgeons
warm plinth
Imagine caring what tank you have in Freehold
There's like 3 kicks in the entire dungeon
daring marlin
EXACTLY~
bear and prot warrior>>>>>>>>>>>for freehold
imo
so much physical damage
fresh igloo
opinions on a good place to free up a point for bounding stride? I really miss the speed boost.
rather like titanic throw these days for all the random shitty multi-add spawns at range that a lot of encounters have.
fresh igloo
🤦🏻♂️
warm plinth
opinions on a good place to free up a point for bounding stride? I really miss t...
you can drop sidearm for it
fresh igloo
is that a reasonable damage loss
warm plinth
yeh
fresh igloo
seems like it does a decent amount
i had been playing with losing it before and didn't come up to a good firm opinion
warm plinth
It does damage, but your call if you want the small amount of damage or the QoL talent
fresh igloo
let's seee...
last log was less than 2% of my damage.
2% in a FH+19.
yeah, you're right. that's probably a good option.
daring marlin
vp trinket did 4.68m in my last 17 FH on Warrior
I need that shit for my main
damn it
hallow phoenix
I've done a billion VPs with no drop 😦
quiet minnow
So many insane tank dps items in this season
Diff in dmg between forge/sark trink/vp trink and not having them is not cool blizz
warm plinth
Kinda interesting that pwar loves heart and ppal says it's bait
Even though you'd think both would either love it or hate it
daring marlin
they're baboons
daring marlin
prolly call it bait cuz vers
warm plinth
Yeah that's why they said it was bait
daring marlin
DAMAGE GOOD THO
fallen shale
guys can I solo dungeons as prot at lvl 40>
Im stuck on sulfuras and questing is just griefed
mighty valley
there's no way that would be the most efficient way to level
sick sentinel
during the wow anniversary i got sulfaras
so, now, i NEVER have to farm out molten core for it again
mighty valley
no, i'm responding to timmy who's on a classic server called sulfuras
sick sentinel
so, i don't have to farm the dungeon for a drop, then level up black smithing or buy shit on AH, no, i just, collect the appearance
im not too big into classic
daring marlin
would it be the play to wait til catalyst is out to gear my dk?
especially since d4 inc
warm plinth
🤷 Don't think you need to necessarily wait. You can make a lot of progress before then
daring marlin
yeah but warrior NOW
daring marlin
nah bro fdk owns
dusky canopy
fdk still doing breath?
daring marlin
ob cleaves
dusky canopy
🤮
daring marlin
big breaths in DoS were pog
daring marlin
you think I care about that bullshit?
I have a 437 underrot ring with a socket
fuck outta here with that B U L L S H I T
limpid pawn
dopes shattering throw work on incorporeal?
daring marlin
🖤
crude notch
in case i get a wild hair to swap to pally
daring marlin
nah you're a bear
crude notch
you think I should get a new shield?
daring marlin
gross
fresh igloo
dopes shattering throw work on incorporeal?
for about 30 minutes on friday it did, then they rolled it back.
crude notch
kinda shocked they didn't fix that today
fresh igloo
eh, still a holiday in the US
fresh igloo
probably was a bad move to push that on a friday night to begin with
daring marlin
wrecking throw is the answer
fresh igloo
and shattering throw sucks
fresh igloo
wrecking throw is the answer
SERIOUSLY
or just make anything on that node choice work.
daring marlin
If it were on wrecking throw it'd be up for every one
It'd only be fair
many other classes can handle both
it'd be the same fucking thing
limpid pawn
so intimidating shout is our only good way to get rid of one
fresh igloo
intimidating shout isn't enough
fast knot
I don't think menace is the play as Prot
fresh igloo
if you interrupt the first cast at the last second, then stormbolt at the end of the next one
intimidating shout might finish it out?
but you basically have to blow your load and have nothing for the actual dungeon
or some hunter could trap one, scare beast the other, and it's totally handled.
fast knot
The opportunity cost is pretty steep
sick sentinel
how do you socket rings
or is that vault related
cuz, i "learned" toda you can 3 socket necks, remembered more like.
sick sentinel
15 under rote and j ust don't feel like running it
crude notch
weekly key done on my pally, no pogstorm i sadge
warm plinth
sick sentinel
I feel like wow retail is a bit saj
Not a bad thing, just I dunno, alot less players at soup event
Then again noon or so on a Sunday...
Still very easy to find players for keys
fresh igloo
People move on from world events like soup. It's all zaralak caverns now
tulip harness
If I crafted shield, should I loot vault as dps? or are there trinkets worthwhile to loot as prot for?
sick sentinel
Zaralek soup I guess?
fresh igloo
If I crafted shield, should I loot vault as dps? or are there trinkets worthwhil...
Generally you want to loot as prot if you still need a shield, then fury if you still need a mainhand, then arms if you're just farming for trinkets and the rest of slots.
sick sentinel
No really I just don't derstand why you'd give up 2hrlegendary food buff
fresh igloo
There's some interesting tanking trinkets available but not worth using very often.
fresh igloo
No really I just don't derstand why you'd give up 2hrlegendary food buff
From soup? Is only relevant in open world so who cares
Or you just talking about farming for flavor pockets
warm plinth
The only part of the soup that matters at this point is flavor pockets
fresh igloo
Yeah... and like I have 3 in my bank.
I imagine most people are set.
Or will just buy another if needed
urban portal
Not a bad thing, just I dunno, alot less players at soup event
why would anyone do soup right now
saying soup is dead is saying no one is in front of oribos
covert aurora
maining prot, for a dps offspec, does it matter arms or fury now ?
plush tendon
Seems to me that fury is the play this tier
It also doesn’t matter- fury does want haste/mastery though
covert aurora
ya I don't have much mastery with my prot stuff
plush tendon
So depending on how serious you are about dps, your crafted armor pieces may be haste/mastery
covert aurora
ty
plush tendon
its really not too bad
I would recommend with your crafted boots and belt just go haste/mastery if fury
and if you like arms more, just keep going crit/haste
and there are nice looking rings and necks in both raid and M+ so you can snag thoughs for your offspec (the difference between 441->447 is not huge)
daring marlin
I am too but
plush tendon
bigger numbers always win
daring marlin
cshb 
crude notch
saying soup is dead is saying no one is in front of oribos
I'll have you know my hearth is still set to oribos
toxic pewter
O_O
fresh igloo
i am actually concerned for your mental health now
median tulip
The internet is full of both heavy sarcasm and mind-numbing stupidity, so it can be difficult to tell what is going on.
crude notch
i'm quite literally never serious in this chat and the people that responded know that.
warm plinth
i'm quite literally never serious in this chat and the people that responded kno...
I'm quite literally wanting to kiss you and you should know that
gottem
scarlet dune
How many ilvls would you guys value leech at?
cinder nova
0
We get 5% leech from talents, more is nice, but it's not game-changing.
You are never going to prio leech over ilvl on any piece of gear with mainstat
And you're never going to prio leech over secondaries on any piece of gear either
Best not to think about tertiary stats as anything but icing on the cake
warm plinth
We actually 10% from talents
And the indom healing on top of that from spending rage
cinder nova
Where's the other 5% from I only see leeching
cinder nova
Oh yeah lol
Yeah, between those two, you're never, ever, ever going to prio leech over anything
warm plinth
Which is already an insane amount of leech for nothing
ionic fern
Yeah, between those two, you're never, ever, ever going to prio leech over anyth...
Wanna bet?
warm plinth
I don't think leech DRs though, fwiw
at least not any number you can realistically reach since it's completely RNG
cinder nova
Wanna bet?
I have sincere doubt any item with leech on it is going to beat out mainstat in any capacity.
Oh wait I wrote my first statement wrong.
Other way around.
ionic fern
Wish i had it.
My bags are full of what ever the new upgrade system is supposed to be.
cinder nova
I remember people making speedster builds.
How
They go into the reagent bag
Just leave them in there, Mwahi
ionic fern
?
cinder nova
The crests and shards default to the reagent bag
ionic fern
I have no idea what a reagent bag is. All i know is that when i open my bags it's there.
I have ONE bag.
I mean, when i open my bag it counts it all as one. Some ELVUI thingy i suppose.
dusky meadow
quick question, does spell reflect work on treemouth consume? i heard it does but the ability isn't on the spreadsheet
warm plinth
I have no idea what a reagent bag is. All i know is that when i open my bags it'...
Hi ily
ionic fern
quick question, does spell reflect work on treemouth consume? i heard it does bu...
Not sure. I haven't stepped in there for a while. 👀
Is it magic damage? If yes, then you can atleast reduce it with SR.
warm plinth
I would be kind of surprised if you could reflect it since it's considered environmental damage. But I also don't think that'd be the first environmental damage you can reflect. @shut summit would be the person to ask though since he does the sheet and he's a pwar doing high keys.
fresh igloo
so i was playing with that today
and there's SOMETHING that prevents treemouth's consume from applying to the tank
but i don't think it's SR
it might just be a certain amount of mitigation?
I've noticed it not applying when I had shield wall active
dusky meadow
yea it's felt buggy sometimes, smol indie game
fresh igloo
checking my logs it looks like he just plain didn't cast consume one of the times after grasping vine
something bugged out the consume after the first grasping vines
and that has seemed a somewhat consistent behavior since i've started being the one to eat that mechanic.
yeah, shield wall was up in anticipation of the first consume. SR was up for both. first Consume didn't cast after grasping vines, but second one did.
warm plinth
I've noticed it do that sometimes as well but it doesn't always skip that one
Can you link me that log?
fresh igloo
Can you link me that log?
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> Does your weak aura for IP have an icon?
I've hidden the icon
Text is more than enough
thorny stone
can you spell reflect razorshards from first boss
the one from boss you can just move out, the razorshards from mobs follows you so you have to eat it
vocal nimbus
And they truck
rough hazel
It would seem Dargrul just got a nerf, found a post about it on forum - not sure how good it still is as I don't have it yet.
warm plinth
Like the trinket?
strong forum
i dont have it so i cant test it
and none of these people seem to know what a log is
silk sandal
I am going to go test once treasure goblin is done =X. But I am just some random haha
strong forum
good enough since that forum post is from 1d ago
which makes no sense
k so it does the regular split dmg here
silk sandal
strong forum
yeah nah its just a dude smoking copium
i checked a log of jakey from 3 days ago
still split
silk sandal
that forum guy is bad =X
warm plinth
Yeah it has always split. Dude is losing it
rough hazel
Think I'm on 30+ runs, I'm exited to see if its for not 😄
strong forum
better make a forum post about feelycraft
warm plinth
I will now go flame him
Nomeratur is already commenting
Oh I was so confused
I can't reply because it's on EU
strong forum
Nomeratur is already commenting <:keks:936231610850897992>
my very first forum post
warm plinth
gottem
strong forum
yeah.
warm plinth
jagged pier
ember tangle
i ran my first HOI yesterday after learning that you reflect the channel on the last boss and not the knockback
SR dmg go brr
ionic fern
i ran my first HOI yesterday after learning that you reflect the channel on the ...
Check the reflectable sheet in the pins.
Maybe you'll find something else you've missed.
ember tangle
i check it fairly regularly tbh, i just hadn't had the chance to check that particular one as i hadn't done the dungeon since week one (except one time as a dps)
it just did way more dmg than i thought
in week one i was reflecting the knockback
thinking damn this way i won't have to worry about getting knocked into bubbles
hardy snow
in wek one I've learned to SR channel instead of knockback after I've missed SR on knockback and it gone on channel (I was little late with pushing button), then I realized its way better 😄
ember tangle
ye, now to figure out how not to be buttblasted on forgotten experiments and zkarn
i got splinter since our initial experiments kill, so that will probably help me on the reclear
hardy snow
gonna be fun, even though the stamina drop is a bit scary :D
back doesnt have much stamina anyway, it shouldnt be an issue
restive scroll
x')
blazing condor
pro athletes talk about it all the time
blazing condor
fat dads who would've gone pro had it not been for a knee injury talk about it all the time
blazing condor
yes i do 
ionic fern
You don't know.
ionic fern
crude notch
hello NA, please speak into existence your vaults
toxic pewter
Hope I get a trinket 🙏 🤲
untold adder
best part about this cloak is the seething DPS'ers in my guild
untold adder
they dont cry over stats, they cry over not having the cloak
strong forum
it do be like that sometime
toxic pewter
That cloak supposedly is rare but I’ve seen it drop more than any other item on that boss lol
strong forum
The "very rare" tag is just an excuse to have +7ilvl on it
untold adder
ive done 3 full runs on HC and havent seen a single warrior tier token yet LOL
toxic pewter
The "very rare" tag is just an excuse to have +7ilvl on it
Makes sense I guess
tropic gorge
untold adder
i got 2 tokens, the 2k one and hc void-touched curio. trying to hold them till i have 2 other pieces but getting sick of running old gear
strong forum
well today is NA reset and tomorrow EU
surely you can hold out for 1 more day
if you dont get any piece by then, send it
untold adder
yea thats the plan. hope to pull 1 piece from vault so only have to get 1 from raid.
hardy snow
i got 2 tokens, the 2k one and hc void-touched curio. trying to hold them till i...
2p is pretty cool
worth getting asap imo
strong forum
ye i got omni token, then i got a drop + vault piece + 2k token last
untold adder
worth getting asap imo
then i also limit my self to token drop in raids
id rather go in with 5 potential slots, than 3
strong forum
i just want bacon 
thats the last piece of exodia that im missing
then im done with needing X item, after that its just rng +6ilvl of the same item
toxic pewter
Beacon to the beyond trinket from sarkareth
strong forum
bacon
south mesa
toxic pewter
What dungeon was that
strong forum
thats my goal -> get 100k average and 120k++ in FH and BH
toxic pewter
Is there a way to figure out details dps based on a log or it doesn’t work that way
south mesa
120k going to require some serious chad pulls
i can send you damage break down if you want
strong forum
ive had a contender but dps decided to suicide on eudora
so we had a 4minutes 2nd boss
had to solo it with the healer
south mesa
yeah we had dps deaths in 2 bosses would of been around 105 i think
strong forum
Is there a way to figure out details dps based on a log or it doesn’t work that ...
you can hover over the "active" dps window
toxic pewter
Ok thx
restive scroll
https://gyazo.com/da4917d806d1ce94300be6cdb2a49e57
Do you have the log by any chance ? Would love to take a look to try to see how to improve myself :p
south mesa
i dont log keys mate, was just filling out vault, i can send you the details breakdown thats about all i have brother
restive scroll
That'd still be interesting please !
south mesa
south mesa
south mesa
tc prio during avatar and avatar uptime mega due to AM, what are you doing differently?
south mesa
can i DM after this key
strong forum
is on 8+ targets
south mesa
do you have some breakdowns for me to check
strong forum
active dps from that run was 99k
but still mad undergeared
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/B9rR6TmkQWt2PfJY#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=8 this is from BH 101k details dps still slightly undergeared
soft plume
People still running onyx or only if you don't have two rings over 440?
hardy snow
but its still a little bit less than on details
I wish logs counts SR dmg
toxic pewter
Dang your ss cpm is 14… mine is 12.8. Need to get another 1 cpm
vocal nimbus
People still running onyx or only if you don't have two rings over 440?
keep it in ST, sim for AoE
south mesa
i dont run annulet anymore
south mesa
ill analyse after this nelth
strong forum
my annulet is here to stay until i get a 2nd crit haste + socket ring
south mesa
ive got some questions straight up, ill message you after this
strong forum
the most important thing is
getting LS uptime
cuz each earthen smash
is worth AN ENTIRE outburst TC
everytime you shield slam
south mesa
i get that logic
vocal nimbus
getting LS uptime
this, i always doubt if i should use LS before pulling to get earthen smash or just roll with it
strong forum
the keys are too low to get good dps tbh
i need keys where the packs live longer and bosses shorter
so i get more 4pc value
toxic pewter
Is there more nuance to using last stand than on cooldown then? Like getting earthen smash uptime just doesn’t work out sometimes
soft plume
You gonna be running all dmg talents in a 20 on fortified?
vocal nimbus
yes
toxic pewter
strong forum
never let your RL tell you anything about your playstyle or talent choice
unless you know hes a good tank player himself
vocal nimbus
i didnt
toxic pewter
Did blizzard ever explain why it doesn’t work that well
Or apparently it’s working as intended
toxic pewter
If it actually works do you think it will be worth taking or switching up the guild
strong forum
no
it has to be an actual cheat death
before its proper usable
cuz like this, its gonna often proc on shit that wasnt scary
toxic pewter
Apparently demon hunters don’t run theirs these days?
strong forum
cant afford it
soft plume
Well I'm genuinely interested in seeing u pump on this fortified week so I'll be keeping an eye out
cerulean tusk
Purgatory still BiS tho 
strong forum
if youre talking to me, i wont do alot this week
im mostly in arms prison in keys cuz my friend is tanking instead and starting from friday im gone from wow for the forseeable future
cerulean tusk
Why not both? Ya only need to raid log at this point 
strong forum
i dont raid
restive scroll
Is the 4P damages counted in SS in logs?
strong forum
Yes, you have the drop down menu in SS
hardy snow
Is the 4P damages counted in SS in logs?
yes, it looks like this
restive scroll
Oh, great, thanks
Your SS alone still does 150% of mines, but that's not almost 3 times as much anymore
Slightly reasuring
That 4P is very strong
strong forum
Rage generation is your top priority
More SS = more rage = more CDs = more rage = gud
hardy snow
That 4P is very strong
indeed, in FH20 it did half of my SS dmg, so pretty cool
strong forum
More SS also = more LS = more earthen smash uptime = more dmg
restive scroll
Yeah, that's what I'm trying to do
which is why I'm reviewing your logs, I am doing half what you're doing (different key though, not the best to find something)
crimson furnace
fake logs
restive scroll
Thank you, I hope I'll find whatever I'm failing ^^
strong forum
Illegal
crimson furnace
emotional damage
crude notch
am i crazy or do people misremember mop when they talk about how great it's trees were and how great class design was
strong forum
In hindsight every expansion is praised way more than during the xpac
There's people actively saying that SL was actually good
sick sentinel
In hindsight every expansion is praised way more than during the xpac
WRONG
maximum wrong
strong forum
And that they thought SL was better than df is
sick sentinel
BFA, Blizzard Failed Again.
crude notch
And that they thought SL was better than df is
👀
sick sentinel
a phrase i heard and repeated throughout alot of BFA
crude notch
There's plenty of people that say BfA had our best M+ dungeons.
sick sentinel
and it mostly held true
crude notch
You need to reread what he said yogi
sick sentinel
we didn't know about the shadowlands.... or the dragons..... back then
but we though BFA was the end
crude notch
Anyone that thinks DF is as bad as BfA or SL is on that good ish
sick sentinel
shadowlands unironically the worse expansion they ever made, besides possibly wod and panda
jagged pier
Lotta people say bfa was good now
sick sentinel
thats why i played SL every day, it cost me my sanity though
ember junco
I dunno shadowlands was significantly worse than warlords
sick sentinel
it was partly panda but warlords was so alien and lack luster to me that i couldnt even get through the free trial weekend
ember junco
Warlords might have been boring, but shadowlands was boring and tedious.
hardy snow
DF is best expansion in game's history (or I should say it will be, more precisely) because it has implemented big and good changes to the systems in games in few different matters:
- talents system that takes best from both previous systems
- item upgrades system that fortunately Blizz wants to stay in game
- flying system that will be expanded in future to all game (thats why I think DF will be best)
none of the expansion gave us such amount of core changes and especially in such a good way - saying goodbye to more old 2004s factions shit (but thats ongoing process that started earlier)
ember junco
Legion introduced m+ that seems pretty significant
sick sentinel
not me, im still ilvl 424
ember junco
It also introduced ap which was significant and bad but
crude notch
Would you rather have this or what you know very well will be an overreaction from Blizzard, is the question. Gear progression wise.
sick sentinel
i got some necklace that starts at 418 from NL and azralon wanted it
shitty stats and i can find a better
dusty monolith
nearly 75k overall in a 17 neltarus kinda hyped! still missing forgestorm and trinkets
plush tendon
You gear a little too quickly
rather too quickly then too slow.... personally I think they need to reduce the number of upgrades per week from 10->8 but let Catalyst come out 2 weeks earlier
cinder monolith
You gear a little too quickly
You think? I felt like 441 by day 2 of week 2 was perfectly fine
dusty monolith
spriest is kinda hit or miss i feel like in pugs
sick sentinel
yo did the spriest log in or?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1112851981573300335/image.png true, this spriest seems to have been dogshit (yours that is)
MINE
peaked at 350k dps
cinder monolith
Graf
crude notch
Only yogi looks at that graph istg
sick sentinel
thats an Spriest going brrrrrr